George, I'm that old school guy that shot lead number five shot on everything that decoyed. We have graduated to steel capability out to fifty yards. I think we are training the birds to fly higher and wider before we shoot. Enough said. I like the 3/5 boss combination. They have been working well for us. Keep up the good work.
I hand load some bismuth for waterfowl hunting. I use a lot of Tom Roster’s load data. He recommends nothing over 1300fps. If you know about Tom, you know the amount of time and research he has put into his load data. I’m a boss guy if I buy it, but I do like heavy shot’s hevi12 for my 20ga. It’s an 1.25oz load going the magical 1350fps. It literally turns the 20ga into a 12ga gun that shoots steel. I will say that the boss 4 shot 20ga loads are deadly!
The HEVI 12's are impressive. I have some test videos coming soon. If not for the cost, they would likely dominate the market. I think BOSS has the ideal pattern for regular waterfowl hunting, but if I were jump hunting, I wouldn't hesitate to use the tighter patterning Kent or Win, that is perfect for those long range applications.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I was going to suggest that. There is very little information about HEVI 12 out there that can be TRUSTED. I do not know if that is possible to test but honestly I have been hesitant to buy not only for the price but because I am not sure if that load would damage the barrel or not.
@Joshua Lowe I have no doubt that HEVI, being the manufacturer would claim that they are safe for any steel rated barrel. However, is it really okay to use? I’m not sure if there is a way to test for that except the gun manufacturers using thousands of rounds. I even doubt HEVI employees did such testings
You should see if you can find the shot cups for each. I always liked Kent and federal for their price and because they use “medium range” semi closed shot cups where Winchester and Remington generally used banana peels that pop open/release the shot instantly. This might answer part of the question of the pattern densities. I feel like people always forget how much shot cups matter. Just look at black cloud. Shot cup never opens but decelerates and falls away and the patterns that they produce are crazy at long range.
Great point. I do not doubt that BOSS could make small changes and have a regular range hunting load, which is essentially what they have now, and then a long range hunting load, using a different shotcup like Win and Kent. But that would utterly confuse most people. BOSS's pattern is better for hunting at regular ranges. The other two are just too tight for 20-30 yard shots. You would have to use less choke and even then might be too tight. I am going to do a video to dig into that subject specifically.
Thanks so much Justin! I think my pricing numbers are likely dated by this point. But they may be relatively similar. Winchester's ammo cost should come down if they scale things up for this load. To my knowledge they have still only done 1 run of it thus far. Time will tell.
Another good video. Boss is bound to be cheaper selling factory direct. It will be interesting to see what the shells cost when supply and demand is eventually back to normal. Also the faster velocity will hit harder it’s simple physics. But like you showed the added velocity isn’t worth the extra recoil. Like to see the boss pattern like the Winchester though.
Yea, I wish we had a normal market. The fluctuations in cost and supply are just ruining things. I do think the Kent and the Win are too tight for normal range hunting, you'd want to use a choke that is more open than what I was using here. I think 70% at 40 yards is ideal, unless you are shooting birds off the water, then 90% is very nice.
I've been doing this when we had lead paper shells and yes shot cut up nails out of punt guns. Now there's steel and bismuth a couple dozen extended chokes. If my grandfather was still here he would tell me if you aren't killing birds. Slow down and practice more. I now use the cheapest steel on decoying birds . Usually 2 shot. I have tried boss. I'll admit it hits like a ton if you hit your bird. I also agree. Dead is dead. No heavier than a bowling ball should be allowed. Have fun guys.
Winchester and Kent for the win. I got similar results but in the field Boss was dead last during our hunts, we haven't tried their newer WarChief but they are even more $$.
It's still cheaper than the others, if you can ever find them. I wanted to do alot more tests with the winchester but only once ever did I see a box in a store, it was #1 shot.
Pretty much. I was happy to buy BOSS or Hevi-bismuth or Kent until Hevi and Kent increased to $50/box. If BOSS goes up to $2.50/shell I'll switch to....steel.
Once again why pay crazy prices for this metal shot when it still fragments. At 4oyds if you have a pattern of 80+% you can still miss a duck. Great for flighting not decoying. I would stick with 3.5mm steel shot out of a 1/4 choke then you will get some width on the pattern and they will still be dead at 40yds. Keep up the good work-people are starting to realize your info_ is very informative.
The Carlson's Sporting Clays Extra Full tends to pattern a little bit tighter for me. But at this point tighter is not better really. Most of these patterns are too tight for hunting at regular ranges of 25-30 yards. 70% at 40 yards is ideal since that is max range and most shots should be closer. Really you should use less choke much of the time. I am going to put out a video drilling down on that very subject.
Another informative video. I can't remember if already asked so if I repeat myself I apologize. But I have learned loading my own buckshot how much variance there is from manufacturer to manufacturer on pellet size. Trust me, not all shells labeled 00 have the same size pellets in them. Just wondering if you have put a set of calipers to pellets from each companies #4 to check actual size? It would be interesting especially when you have some plated and some nonplated. I know the overall difference would seem small but as small as those pellets are when you look at % it could make a difference.
It's a great idea. I have calipers, a decibel meter, and a laser thermometer all on my Amazon list. It's just a matter of cash flow right now. I've spent a bunch ot money on testing stuff lately. Gotta hold off for awhile.
I'd use the Winchester or the Kent if it had the same price and availability as the BOSS. They patterned great. Just more expensive and hard to find with fair bit more recoil.
If you were to do this test again with todays current prices, how would you rate each shell. Boss is now $42/box of 20 = $2.1 each, Hevi can be found between $38-$42/box = $1.7 or less, Winchester is $52/box= $2.1 each. and Kent is the same as Winchester also. Just curious if you would lean towards another brand now that Boss's prices now match or exceed most manufacturers prices. Thanks for you time and videos.
I see HEVI Bismuth for about double that in stores now. BOSS is cheaper with the program. And I've not seen any of the others for sale in a store for a year. If I had to do it again, I wouldn't even mention prices, they are too fluid and volatile lol. BOSS Warcheif outperforms all the others now. It's a clear performance lead. They are the same cost or less as the others on the market.
Great video! I’m looking into picking up the CZ Sharptail side by side in 20 gauge as an all around wing gun ( to sexy not to ). I’m also in the market for the Stevens 301 Turkey as a and all around upland/ hiking gun… I think I’ll be going with the Boss in #5 & #7 mostly for dove, quail, pheasant and rabbit… your thoughts ?
Nice! I'll use 5 or 4 for pheasants. For dove and quail the 7s are perfect. For rabbits, probably 4 or 5 also. Fewer bigger pellets make eating better for rabbits I think.
To me its the price factor. A case of Boss is $320 vs Hevi Bismuth, etc at $500-$600 a case. With Boss you can get 2 cases damn near for the price of 1 case of Hevi Bismuth.
I couldn't agree more. BOSS is the best balance of cost and performance on the market. But also keep in mind you get fewer shells in a box/case of BOSS. They are still the best value but it's not quite a 2 to 1 equation.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide Well sir here in my area Hevi Shot is $61 a box of 25. Boss at $34 a box of 20. You are right about Boss being the best bang for your buck.....
@@kross1261 The prices have changed since I recorded this months ago. What is in the video is what was real market prices that morning. But most people get free shipping on the BOSS also, that's only 3 boxes. I wouldn't pay for shipping for anything myself. Today Win is $2.52 a shell when people are not price gouging, BOSS is $1.90 for the same payload shell. I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a box of WIN if you found it at the right price. It's obviously a great performer. I want to get some myself for Jump hunting, nothing is better for taking birds on the water.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide ok I couldn’t find free shipping on the boss website. Probably didn’t look hard enough and I only want to buy a couple boxes. Thanks for the info.
I tried Boss this year hunting in ND. I was not impressed. It is not close to being as lethal as Hevi X. I tied several different chokes with the Boss and had many cripples, whereas the birds were stoned dead that were shot with Hevi X. The Guys at Boss are great people, and I tried my best to like them. Its not the shell for me.
Could you cut apart one of each shell and go over any differences in designs? I recently watched a video of a guy going over a Boss shell and describing how much smaller the wad was and how that could affect your barrel over time. He said a large percent of the bbs were not able to fit within the wad because it was so short. Thanks
That is a good idea. But it's not that easy to cut open shells and preserve everything in them for discussion, I've tried. I will see if I can do some more of it. To that specific concern, bismuth is safe on all barrels, just like lead. It is malleable and doesn't mare like steel. Even if the BOSS is contacting the barrel, it's fine. And then the copper plating just helps that much more.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide here is the video i mentioned incase you want to take a look. Thanks again for all your videos, they are some of the best and most informative on youtube. th-cam.com/video/o0I7V0rtwYY/w-d-xo.html
Im curious how much velocity each shell loses when the ambient temp drops to around freezing. For us who live in the Midwest and norther states, this could be a big factor. Not sure if there is any was to chill the shells and chronograph the difference in speeds vs current temps. Thanks again.
The temp effects both the muzzle velocity and velocity at range due to air density. You'd need a good Chronograph for this. I'd need to get ahold of one. I do know that some companies like BOSS give their velocity rating at 40 degrees to account for that, they are actually faster at 70 degrees, to some extent.
The way around velocity loss and keeping ballistic efficiency is with a TSS/steel duplex. You can take TSS all the way down to 1100 and still kill ducks to 60 yards.
No, they do not have that. I just checked and am familiar with that feature. The Longbeard XR has it so I am familiar, but I can say the BBB patterns better with bismuth than the XXF Turkey choke.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide awesome thanks man! So I’ve been researching most of the day on choke tubes and am curious about my extended “factory” choke that came with my maxus 2 wicked wing. It seems VERY similar to the Carlsons bismuth bone buster extended range as far as the full choke goes. I haven’t looked into the midrange yet, but the constriction at .705 and the parallel length seem very similar. I will get estimated measurements and see if I really need to spend the money on a choke that may be almost the same as what I have
@@leeroywilly Unfortunately the bottom line is really that the measurements only mean so much. It's really more a matter of how that choke resonates with your gun and load. Your stock choke could give you the best performance. And then an aftermarket choke could give you better performance with a little less constriction. What kinds of patterns are you getting with the factory choke? If they are reasonably good, that may be all you need. I am a big fan of the Bismuth Bone Buster, but I have 2 other chokes that give me almost the same pattern, I like this one because its a nice middle ground for a long-range choke. Some are just too tight.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide good point! I actually just got done testing patterns on paper. Unfortunately I do not have a bismuth bone buster to compare it with, but the extended full that came with my wicked wing seems to pattern very well with a pretty consistent pattern. I was pretty hyped about pattern master but with my code black duck I see quite a bit of fragmented bismuth. Even was able to pluck a piece out of this paper at 40 yards, however still a good pattern. I do still want a bismuth bone buster to try out, but I feel I am getting satisfactory patters and density with my extended factory full. Which sucks because I love accessorizing lol
@@leeroywilly Haha, well if you have a good pattern, I would save the money for ammo and sporting clays practice. You can always test more chokes in the off season. But if you have a good combo now, I think you'd gain more by practicing than getting more chokes. Once the season arrives its best to commit to one choke and get used to it.
Less recoil,less cost, less fragments, great patterns I mean if a guy likes to spend more and get his shoulder punished then hey who I'm I to stop him !go boss shotshells!
@@jeffbarris8172 True. The Win and Kent would be ideal for jump hunting with long shots on the water though. A very specific use, but I wouldn't be against having a handful in my bag for days like that.
George, I'm that old school guy that shot lead number five shot on everything that decoyed. We have graduated to steel capability out to fifty yards. I think we are training the birds to fly higher and wider before we shoot. Enough said. I like the 3/5 boss combination. They have been working well for us. Keep up the good work.
Thanks so much! I am continually more and more impressed with the BOSS 3/5s with every video I do.
I hand load some bismuth for waterfowl hunting. I use a lot of Tom Roster’s load data. He recommends nothing over 1300fps. If you know about Tom, you know the amount of time and research he has put into his load data. I’m a boss guy if I buy it, but I do like heavy shot’s hevi12 for my 20ga. It’s an 1.25oz load going the magical 1350fps. It literally turns the 20ga into a 12ga gun that shoots steel. I will say that the boss 4 shot 20ga loads are deadly!
The HEVI 12's are impressive. I have some test videos coming soon. If not for the cost, they would likely dominate the market. I think BOSS has the ideal pattern for regular waterfowl hunting, but if I were jump hunting, I wouldn't hesitate to use the tighter patterning Kent or Win, that is perfect for those long range applications.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I was going to suggest that. There is very little information about HEVI 12 out there that can be TRUSTED. I do not know if that is possible to test but honestly I have been hesitant to buy not only for the price but because I am not sure if that load would damage the barrel or not.
@Joshua Lowe I have no doubt that HEVI, being the manufacturer would claim that they are safe for any steel rated barrel. However, is it really okay to use? I’m not sure if there is a way to test for that except the gun manufacturers using thousands of rounds. I even doubt HEVI employees did such testings
1330 was the original FPS of most successful loads so Tom is a little off stoping at 1300.
You should see if you can find the shot cups for each. I always liked Kent and federal for their price and because they use “medium range” semi closed shot cups where Winchester and Remington generally used banana peels that pop open/release the shot instantly. This might answer part of the question of the pattern densities. I feel like people always forget how much shot cups matter. Just look at black cloud. Shot cup never opens but decelerates and falls away and the patterns that they produce are crazy at long range.
Great point. I do not doubt that BOSS could make small changes and have a regular range hunting load, which is essentially what they have now, and then a long range hunting load, using a different shotcup like Win and Kent. But that would utterly confuse most people. BOSS's pattern is better for hunting at regular ranges. The other two are just too tight for 20-30 yard shots. You would have to use less choke and even then might be too tight. I am going to do a video to dig into that subject specifically.
We have been shooting Boss 3” 1 1/2 Oz 2s for 2 seasons… love them … Through Belgium Browning Auto 5 and Browning A5 …
Those number 2s will definitely do the job!
Your price comparison in the video earned a subscriber.
Thanks so much Justin! I think my pricing numbers are likely dated by this point. But they may be relatively similar. Winchester's ammo cost should come down if they scale things up for this load. To my knowledge they have still only done 1 run of it thus far. Time will tell.
My kid and me just did some pattern testing this morning with BOSS and Rhino chokes. I found my combo for this year. I’ll be posting a video soon
Awesome! Looking forward to it. Thanks.
Really detailed info about some major differences that are never discussed but should be . Your kickin it with every video . Keep going...
Thank you so much!
Good video George! I’ve witnessed much of the same in different bismuth. The amount of fracturing was surprising to me.
Thanks so much Joel! How much do you see loads with the heavier recoil hinder new or average shooters that you take out?
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I think it hinders people more than they realize. That’s why I moved to 2 3/4 12 ga and also shoot 20 ga quite a bit.
@@SurvivingDuckSeason Thanks!
Another good video. Boss is bound to be cheaper selling factory direct. It will be interesting to see what the shells cost when supply and demand is eventually back to normal. Also the faster velocity will hit harder it’s simple physics. But like you showed the added velocity isn’t worth the extra recoil. Like to see the boss pattern like the Winchester though.
Yea, I wish we had a normal market. The fluctuations in cost and supply are just ruining things. I do think the Kent and the Win are too tight for normal range hunting, you'd want to use a choke that is more open than what I was using here. I think 70% at 40 yards is ideal, unless you are shooting birds off the water, then 90% is very nice.
I've been doing this when we had lead paper shells and yes shot cut up nails out of punt guns. Now there's steel and bismuth a couple dozen extended chokes. If my grandfather was still here he would tell me if you aren't killing birds. Slow down and practice more. I now use the cheapest steel on decoying birds . Usually 2 shot. I have tried boss. I'll admit it hits like a ton if you hit your bird. I also agree. Dead is dead. No heavier than a bowling ball should be allowed. Have fun guys.
Good shooting will trump everything else, for sure.
Winchester and Kent for the win. I got similar results but in the field Boss was dead last during our hunts, we haven't tried their newer WarChief but they are even more $$.
It's still cheaper than the others, if you can ever find them. I wanted to do alot more tests with the winchester but only once ever did I see a box in a store, it was #1 shot.
Thank you
Thanks!
Hope your able to review the new Carlsons Bone Crusher choke tube for turkey!! Thanks
I haven't heard of that, nor have I seen it on their website. Can you link to it or give a product number?
7000+ views, only 485 likes! Really? how much effort does it take to show some appreciation???
This is my favorite comment I've gotten all weekend. Thanks so much!
thanks
Thanks for watching!
Pretty much. I was happy to buy BOSS or Hevi-bismuth or Kent until Hevi and Kent increased to $50/box. If BOSS goes up to $2.50/shell I'll switch to....steel.
Yea, the prices these days have gone through the roof.
100% with Boss
Indeed!
Once again why pay crazy prices for this metal shot when it still fragments. At 4oyds if you have a pattern of 80+% you can still miss a duck. Great for flighting not decoying. I would stick with 3.5mm steel shot out of a 1/4 choke then you will get some width on the pattern and they will still be dead at 40yds. Keep up the good work-people are starting to realize your info_ is very informative.
Thanks so much David!
So have you found the bismuth bone buster to be the best choke for bismuth shot? Even compared the chokes with tighter constrictions?
The Carlson's Sporting Clays Extra Full tends to pattern a little bit tighter for me. But at this point tighter is not better really. Most of these patterns are too tight for hunting at regular ranges of 25-30 yards. 70% at 40 yards is ideal since that is max range and most shots should be closer. Really you should use less choke much of the time. I am going to put out a video drilling down on that very subject.
Another informative video. I can't remember if already asked so if I repeat myself I apologize. But I have learned loading my own buckshot how much variance there is from manufacturer to manufacturer on pellet size. Trust me, not all shells labeled 00 have the same size pellets in them. Just wondering if you have put a set of calipers to pellets from each companies #4 to check actual size? It would be interesting especially when you have some plated and some nonplated. I know the overall difference would seem small but as small as those pellets are when you look at % it could make a difference.
It's a great idea. I have calipers, a decibel meter, and a laser thermometer all on my Amazon list. It's just a matter of cash flow right now. I've spent a bunch ot money on testing stuff lately. Gotta hold off for awhile.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide your doing great. That was just another variable I wanted to mention. Keep up the good work.
@@jesseregister2435 thanks! I'll find a way to work it into the coming videos I'm sure
Boss every day and twice on Sunday.
Haha, nice!
I feel like I’m watching a commercial for Boss? 😮. I mean I’m sold and ready to buy next year’s case.
I'd use the Winchester or the Kent if it had the same price and availability as the BOSS. They patterned great. Just more expensive and hard to find with fair bit more recoil.
The Kent shells I tried were horrible, thats why its either Boss or handloads for me. @@TheNewHuntersGuide
What was wrong with the Kent shells?@@chrismcneil5543
I got very inconsistant paterns full of voids. @@TheNewHuntersGuide
If you were to do this test again with todays current prices, how would you rate each shell. Boss is now $42/box of 20 = $2.1 each, Hevi can be found between $38-$42/box = $1.7 or less, Winchester is $52/box= $2.1 each. and Kent is the same as Winchester also. Just curious if you would lean towards another brand now that Boss's prices now match or exceed most manufacturers prices. Thanks for you time and videos.
I see HEVI Bismuth for about double that in stores now. BOSS is cheaper with the program. And I've not seen any of the others for sale in a store for a year. If I had to do it again, I wouldn't even mention prices, they are too fluid and volatile lol. BOSS Warcheif outperforms all the others now. It's a clear performance lead. They are the same cost or less as the others on the market.
Just bought some boss 3in #2 yesterday. They have them listed for $39 a box
Dude where do you get Hevi for $42/box.
Last year I was seeing $63, and Oregon isn't known for low prices.
Great video! I’m looking into picking up the CZ Sharptail side by side in 20 gauge as an all around wing gun ( to sexy not to ). I’m also in the market for the Stevens 301 Turkey as a and all around upland/ hiking gun… I think I’ll be going with the Boss in #5 & #7 mostly for dove, quail, pheasant and rabbit… your thoughts ?
Nice! I'll use 5 or 4 for pheasants. For dove and quail the 7s are perfect. For rabbits, probably 4 or 5 also. Fewer bigger pellets make eating better for rabbits I think.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide Thanks for the reply George 👍
20 rounds for the Boss $37 thats Pricey.
Everything is pricy these days
Anything Bismuth is pricey, nut I was paying $36/box for Migra Timbers and they're only half Bismuth
To me its the price factor. A case of Boss is $320 vs Hevi Bismuth, etc at $500-$600 a case. With Boss you can get 2 cases damn near for the price of 1 case of Hevi Bismuth.
I couldn't agree more. BOSS is the best balance of cost and performance on the market. But also keep in mind you get fewer shells in a box/case of BOSS. They are still the best value but it's not quite a 2 to 1 equation.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide Well sir here in my area Hevi Shot is $61 a box of 25. Boss at $34 a box of 20. You are right about Boss being the best bang for your buck.....
@@kross1261 The prices have changed since I recorded this months ago. What is in the video is what was real market prices that morning. But most people get free shipping on the BOSS also, that's only 3 boxes. I wouldn't pay for shipping for anything myself. Today Win is $2.52 a shell when people are not price gouging, BOSS is $1.90 for the same payload shell. I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a box of WIN if you found it at the right price. It's obviously a great performer. I want to get some myself for Jump hunting, nothing is better for taking birds on the water.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide ok I couldn’t find free shipping on the boss website. Probably didn’t look hard enough and I only want to buy a couple boxes. Thanks for the info.
I tried Boss this year hunting in ND. I was not impressed. It is not close to being as lethal as Hevi X. I tied several different chokes with the Boss and had many cripples, whereas the birds were stoned dead that were shot with Hevi X. The Guys at Boss are great people, and I tried my best to like them. Its not the shell for me.
So the Hevi X performed better for you. Did you pattern both? What was the difference? And what are you going to now that the Hevi X is done?
Maybe you are just a lousy shot!
Isn't Hevi-X a tungsten load?
I'm surprised to hear Boss performed so poorly, but I'm not surprised to heat HeviX tungsten was better.
Could you cut apart one of each shell and go over any differences in designs? I recently watched a video of a guy going over a Boss shell and describing how much smaller the wad was and how that could affect your barrel over time. He said a large percent of the bbs were not able to fit within the wad because it was so short. Thanks
That is a good idea. But it's not that easy to cut open shells and preserve everything in them for discussion, I've tried. I will see if I can do some more of it. To that specific concern, bismuth is safe on all barrels, just like lead. It is malleable and doesn't mare like steel. Even if the BOSS is contacting the barrel, it's fine. And then the copper plating just helps that much more.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide here is the video i mentioned incase you want to take a look. Thanks again for all your videos, they are some of the best and most informative on youtube. th-cam.com/video/o0I7V0rtwYY/w-d-xo.html
Im curious how much velocity each shell loses when the ambient temp drops to around freezing. For us who live in the Midwest and norther states, this could be a big factor. Not sure if there is any was to chill the shells and chronograph the difference in speeds vs current temps. Thanks again.
The temp effects both the muzzle velocity and velocity at range due to air density. You'd need a good Chronograph for this. I'd need to get ahold of one. I do know that some companies like BOSS give their velocity rating at 40 degrees to account for that, they are actually faster at 70 degrees, to some extent.
The way around velocity loss and keeping ballistic efficiency is with a TSS/steel duplex. You can take TSS all the way down to 1100 and still kill ducks to 60 yards.
@@saltcreekammo So why even put steel in the shell? It's doing nothing at 60 yards lol
what choke exactly are you using in this video the mr "improved mod" or the er "inbetween full and extra full"??
It is the Carlsons Bismuth Bone Buster Extended Range choke. It's their new bismuth choke. This is the equivalent of an Extra Full.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide thanks! i picked one up for my 11-87 and it patterns pretty freaking well!
God bless and go get them in the marsh!
Amen!
Hey man does that Carlsons bismuth bone buster have the three ring step down inside the tube like the cremator? Thanks!
No, they do not have that. I just checked and am familiar with that feature. The Longbeard XR has it so I am familiar, but I can say the BBB patterns better with bismuth than the XXF Turkey choke.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide awesome thanks man! So I’ve been researching most of the day on choke tubes and am curious about my extended “factory” choke that came with my maxus 2 wicked wing. It seems VERY similar to the Carlsons bismuth bone buster extended range as far as the full choke goes. I haven’t looked into the midrange yet, but the constriction at .705 and the parallel length seem very similar. I will get estimated measurements and see if I really need to spend the money on a choke that may be almost the same as what I have
@@leeroywilly Unfortunately the bottom line is really that the measurements only mean so much. It's really more a matter of how that choke resonates with your gun and load. Your stock choke could give you the best performance. And then an aftermarket choke could give you better performance with a little less constriction. What kinds of patterns are you getting with the factory choke? If they are reasonably good, that may be all you need. I am a big fan of the Bismuth Bone Buster, but I have 2 other chokes that give me almost the same pattern, I like this one because its a nice middle ground for a long-range choke. Some are just too tight.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide good point! I actually just got done testing patterns on paper. Unfortunately I do not have a bismuth bone buster to compare it with, but the extended full that came with my wicked wing seems to pattern very well with a pretty consistent pattern. I was pretty hyped about pattern master but with my code black duck I see quite a bit of fragmented bismuth. Even was able to pluck a piece out of this paper at 40 yards, however still a good pattern. I do still want a bismuth bone buster to try out, but I feel I am getting satisfactory patters and density with my extended factory full. Which sucks because I love accessorizing lol
@@leeroywilly Haha, well if you have a good pattern, I would save the money for ammo and sporting clays practice. You can always test more chokes in the off season. But if you have a good combo now, I think you'd gain more by practicing than getting more chokes. Once the season arrives its best to commit to one choke and get used to it.
What is your affiliation with BOSS? What do you receive for this reviews?
I am not affiliated, just a fan and a paying program member.
Looks like Winchester is the brand to beat, cost be damned.
Used to be: th-cam.com/video/a6fPj6dmK8s/w-d-xo.html
What do you think about the federal bismut????
Federal bought out HEVI and basically rebranded their bismuth load. I don't think it's unique enough to warrant it's own test
I know your trying to be unbiased but, you seem to really look for any reason for boss to be better.
You know, as I was watching the video back today, I thought the exact same thing. I think I am favoring the BOSS too much.
Less recoil,less cost, less fragments, great patterns I mean if a guy likes to spend more and get his shoulder punished then hey who I'm I to stop him !go boss shotshells!
@@jeffbarris8172 True. The Win and Kent would be ideal for jump hunting with long shots on the water though. A very specific use, but I wouldn't be against having a handful in my bag for days like that.
@@jeffbarris8172 I wasn’t saying any of these are better than boss. I was just stating that he seems to come up with reasons boss is better.
The red shirt gave it away. I’m trying the #5 boss shorty this year.