Toyota LandCruiser 70 Series v Mahindra Pik-up: It’s DOUBLE the price! The ultimate torture test
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- It’s the test you’ve all been asking for. Is the 70 Series worth DOUBLE the price of the Mahindra Pik-Up? Paul Maric puts the 2024 Toyota LandCruiser 70 Series GX up against the 2024 Mahindra Pik-Up Work Pack to see which is more durable and whether it’s worth spending so much money on the Toyota.
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Hill Road: 00:44
LC79 Hill Road: 01:50
Mahindra Hill Road: 05:22
Rough Road: 09:09
LC79 Belgian Pave: 10:23
Mahindra Belgian Pave: 12:06
LC79 Rough Road: 13:27
Mahindra Rough Road: 16:09
Verdict: 18:44
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That mahindra is getting very popular in south africa because it is cheap but also reliable
And probably not as prone to hijacking as the Toyotas...
@@mauritsvwdamn emotional damage 😂
So was Viktor Bout.........
bruh how is it reliable ?? even indians know its unreliable take the scorpio n for example there has been software failure,front suspension literally breaking, non functioning transmission and clutch pedal, airbags not opening
O yeah@@mauritsvw
I have owned 2 Mahindra Pikups. One was the 2.5 and the other was the 2.2 mHawk. They both worked incredibly well. The 2.2 mHawk I had from new all the way up to 270 000km. It did that milage in 5 years and worked incredibly hard. Often being fully loaded while pulling a trailer in one of the most unforgiving and rural areas of South Africa. I would not hesitate to buy another one.
Edit. Go check out their new concept model that was recently revealed in Cape Town.
Yep they are massively underrated....Aussies are brand snobs...they want Rams now....a very unreliable piece of shit.
I'm also in SA and need a work bakkie, Looking at different single/ extra cabs. I currently use my Prado to tow, it's getting buggered using it for work and it's thirsty as hell. And I tow almost daily. I tow welding machines, heavy steel sections, a couple passengers etc. 7m trailer too. What is the servicing and parts availability like for the Mahindra? No issues with poor workmanship, waiting weeks for parts?
@@keaganairey1413I also have a Mahindra pikup with the mhawk engine. Overall it's a decent vehicle. Issues I have had in 3 years I have had is Speedo cable stopping to work and propshaft bearing. The Speedo cable did take a couple of weeks to become available. The propshaft bearing they had stock. It's been worked with by a dealership. Parts in general are easily enough to get from the dealerships and the after market is getting better with more parts and pricing is improving
Also in terms of pricing of the vehicles the mhawk starts at under r300k, so for its price you get a lot of car. Vehicles that give the same all costs much more and those that cost the same are much less of a bakkie. Starting price is very similar to the nissan np200
@keaganairey1413 that is the biggest problem when buying a Mahindra. These aren't vehicles that have been on the market in SA as long as Toyota, Nissan, Isuzus etc. So the availability of cheaper pirate parts is an issue. In most cases you are forced to use the dealerships only. There also isn't this large pool of knowledge when it comes to parts and repairs like there is on the more popular brands. This doesn't mean you can't come right at a cheaper price. It just means that if you don't wish to pay what the dealership is asking you going to have to do some research and homework. I would recommend that any Mahindra buyer joins the 4x4 Community forum where you will find many members with experience and knowledge to help you with any potential issue.
Fo4 the Mahindra. I dont like that the back sticks out when you look at it from the front. Mechanics work well . The design is very poor.
When I was based in the Congo, the Indian Army used Mahindra whilst we had new Defenders. Those Mahindras never broke whilst we were constantly towing the Land rovers. That's real-world stuff!
yeah old mahindras were reliable the new ones are utter shit when it comes to reliability and safety features
funny how both are owned by Indians and yet have distinct qualities
Who is we
@@ShadowLady1 and when are we taking about?
The SANDF
Despite being a 70 series owner, a similarly reliable Mahindra at half the price would be very tempting if I ever needed to replace the Toyota.
Keep us posted if you do give it a shot! Keen to hear how it goes in the real world.
That question about reliability is the key, isn't it?
Any car can have a problem, but how often it breaks own, and how well the factory supports the buyer is the key.
I have both....79series is my camping car, Mahindra makes me money. Mahindra cops a beating and keeps ticking. Is way more practical for work, more comfortable and I don't give a shit about it.
Blah, the india thing will not last. Is this Nepal?
@@adamhuglo111
Jealous of India and Mahindra..😂😂
We have owned landrovers , jaguar since 2008😊😊😊
The sheer fact that this video has been made, let alone the verdict, is a credit to the PikUp tbh
Exactly!
Fact❤
This video was made because the Pik-up is within the budget of more buyers than the Toyota..
Money talks, sh!t walks.. to a Mahindra dealership
To be fair to the Mahindra the weight is further back over the axel due to the double cab unit. So the test weight on the Land Cruiser should have been moved further back. Which would have resulted in slightly more instability for the Toyota.
Exactly what I was thinking. Not a true comparison doing a single cab vs a dual cab
Agreed, not an equal ride proposition or hard braking given the front should provide 70% of the braking.
Infact the two packages could have been placed side by side in the Mahindra for a fairer test.
With the mass that far back lightening the front end it would affect the handling. This is not an equal comparison. Get a single cab Mahindra.
Exactly, this is far more a comparison of single and dual cab designs. But to be expected from this channel, it’s not exactly the last word in thoughtful journalism…
We spoke, you listened! Thank you CarExpert
You really do deliver the goods
I have got a Mahindra, great thing. I have had 2x Toyotas, a Nissan patrol, and a ranger.
Happy with the Mahindra and I put a ton of slide on camper and gear in the back and go proper off road.
I have a 12 year old Mahindra tractor , used almost every day, very pleased with it however Mahindra's assembly and parts division is based in Brisbane and the Oceania headquarters, i have had to wait weeks for simple service parts ie a top radiator hose, easy just cut down a generic hose, a handbrake lever assembly, gasket set, but one advantage is I can order parts directly from various Indian suppliers and the prices are much better and 10 days freight is about average,
But I would definitely look at the Pik up for farm and runaround ute use !
Jus sayin
Exactly, where as a toyota, easy as.
I live in Laos the capital city and that 2 km version is my main road into the centre😂😂 and it’s why I own a mahindra pik-up
Hi. Miss Lao so much❤ all the best from tatarstan!
Mahindra has been tested and proved its effectiveness for these kinds of kinds of stuff since it was first launched in India.
It’s all about switching the mindset and perspective of people who want to own this.
Unfortunately Mahindra Getaway was a failure like people in India still stuck on to Mahindra Bolero Camper/Pick Up
@@ChandranPrema123 uss price me koi pickup kyu lega ?....hilux bh badhiya hai pr kitne buy krte hai?
india has not pickup culture ...they dont want to pay high prices for pickup rather buy family car because cars are big thing for indians .
ullu k patthe ganja phoook k coment krta hai foreign video pr
@@himrao7366yes
I bought a single cab oik-up in 2019 and it’s been used as a workhorse ever since. At the time the instant asset writeoff was only $30K, so at $28K new at the time, it was a pretty easy choice, considering there was only the Pik-up and a few Chinese offerings to choose from. I’m not a tub fan, and the big aluminium tray has proved itself to be practical and excellent in quality.
Almost 5 years and ninety thousand plus km later, I don’t regret buying it at all. Sure it’s not perfect, but it’s an honest and quite capable workhorse, and apart from replacing the centre bearing and upgrading suspension rubbers - both minor issues - has proved to be reliable and inexpensive to run and maintain.
It does what I want including a fair bit of 4wd farm work.
Granted they don’t look great, but I reckon that’s a minor issue considering what you are getting for the price.
Where can I get a oik-up?
I think the center bearing is a weak point of the Mahindra mine a 2021 model after 2 years needed to replace it as well and while I was walking around the dealership bumped into the sales person who almost immediately knew the part when I couldn't get to the name, so it's got to be a fairly common issue
"Granted they don't look great" - I love the looks of the Mahindra because it looks like nothing else but still looks good. (The same can be said for the Land Cruiser). Too many of the other bakkies (South African word for a ute) look too similar (including the Toyota Hilux). (Some other brands also tried the "looks like nothing else" formula, but it is a difficult one to get right. Mahindra nailed it.)
People think they look like an Aldi 70 series.
I think it looks like a rav front crossed with a 70s series.
It would be good if Mahindra would one day make a vehicle that was just as heavy duty as the LC 70 series in terms of engine power and load carrying capacity to see what the price difference and performance difference then would be, so they can really take it up to the Toyotas and Fords etc of this world. We the consumer need the likes of Mahindra to keep the others honest with their offerings and prices.
Mahindra has 2 ton load capacity , 4x4 pick up trucks for Indian markets . People here abuse it by crossing the load capacity and the car can take it. It's the life line for foothills of Himalayas .
With a 2.2 mhauk engine,Mahindra is doing best more than that land cruiser,in terms of speed, loading and reliability.note that Mahindra it's even heavier than that land cruiser 🤞🤞🤞
Mahindra does not ha e an inhouse powerful engine to take on 70 series. They will have to get the engine from other therby increasing its price much more
That Belgian pave and rough road sections look smoother than State Highway 3 in New Zealand.
😂
It's Belgian pave because it's the smoothest Belgium can make a road. The speedbumps were i live are smoother than Belgium highways.
Most SH in NZ. I'm from India & we certainly have better highways than NZ. The Mahendra though is built for areas that are not road though.
As someone who's been driving a regularly loaded up Pik Up in semi rural QLD for the last year, this pretty much nails my impressions - yeah you can get better, but for this kind of job it's such good value. And seeing more and more of them about as well.
Nice one!
Exactly! We have Mahindra Pik up in our farm doing farm things. I beat the shit out of that ute, never fails. Why spend 80k on something that's just supposed to be used for work.
it is so good to watch car videos that use the metric system
I'm certainly a Toyota fan boy, however, when we get a work ute I think the Mahindra will be the choice
Maybe invite Roothy on his opinion on both. A Toyota loyalist who is flying the Mahindra flag now.
One huge advantage of the Toyota you didn't mention is that if something does go wrong it has a huge dealer network that dwarfs that of Mahindra
On top of that this pick up is based on the old Scorpio that still exists in the Classic version but it's very different.
In terms of the engine you can still get spares it's been the same for years
Also at twice the price you would pay for the equivalent part for the Mahindra. Toyota's are expensive to buy and even worse to maintain.
O😊ne can circumvent this by buying two Mahindra's right from the word go.
Re-sale… Toyota holds its value, my near on 10yo 76 is still worth (and insured for) what it cost!
In the Mahindra the load was sitting quite to the rear of the vehicle, part of it behind the rear axle because of it being a dual cab whereas in Toyota the majority of the load was in the middle of the vehicle because of its cab, this will make a huge difference in the ride and handling like the peaks in the graph you were talking about,for it to be a fair test you should have brought a dual cab from Toyota,I bet you would have been really surprised with the results.
Since both are not good looking and equally agricultural, I would go for the cheap one
Lc79 is a solid axle. Mahindra has dog shit saftey
@@kaidenchetty4572 you ain't gonna survive the crash in the 70 series as well, both are pretty basic when it comes to safety
Haha 😜
@@kaidenchetty4572The pik up is a solid axle too.
@@kaidenchetty4572 If you want safety features then why buy a farm vehicle. Also with double the cost, its good to see the toyota atleast has something more to offer, but is it worth double. I bet you Mahindra can make twice as good a car than the 70's if you will be willing to pay 80k for it.
Great video. Fair comparisons and fair comments.
Paul isn't suggesting one is shit and the other good... he is just saying that if you want a reasonable vehicle that will haul 1ton then either will do it and there isn't a need to spend double. But if someone prefers to pay for the well known, strong Toyota brand then great for them! no issues! If you want something that is also reliable and can do the same *task* as the other (towing a ton) then the Mahindra will also be fine! :)
Spot on! It's horses for courses.
Thank you for not being bias. Honestly, you are one of very few presenters who gives an honest opinion no matter what brand of vehicle u test. You also test them really to the limit. Amazing comparison. Keep doing the right thing.
I reckon a closer test would have been with the extra weight of a dualcab cruiser, plus putting the weight in the same location behind the diff as the mahindra.
A tow test between these aswell as the v8 would be awesome also.
Love ur work mate
Plus the 4-cylinder Landcruiser goes better than the stock & tuned V8
@@Malc664 but only last half the time how much is a new motor when it reaches 500k probably not worth it it's scrap then an expensive scrap heap
@davidmilledge221 more that a few cruisers are o. Their 2nd or 3rd engine by 500k at a cost of 30k each so it's not really an argument.
@@davidmilledge221what was that about Toyota reliability... 🤣
@@davidmilledge221the 1VD is hardly the pinacle of reliability. I wont be suprised at all when the 4cyls last longer.
Well done Paul! Your reviews are the best, I love the different tests you run your vehicle’s on.
Cheers from ‘Murica 🇺🇸
Great video! I will say one thing about this. Scorpio is one of the oldest models in the Mahindra lineup and has seen multiple iterations over more than 2 decades. Being from India, this car probably travelled more on rough grounds than on sealed roads , so to appeal to Indian conditions, they had to do a lot of work. And I think that work is visible here
That rough road is just an average dirt road here in Namibia 😂
Yes, as in South Africa. There is no need to build a road to test a vehicle our side.
These videos are sooo much better and way more informative than CarWow. All gimmicks and no real information. Love the content, and really look forward to your videos!
carwow used to be good until they ventured into the drag frenzy...now its mostly pointless drags.
True
Love the video, specially the Belgian Pave section ....
Can i just say, we need this section to be included for every other car video you do from now on
Awesome! I just commented on your 70 series video and asked if you’d done this. Must have done that when you posted this. A fairer comparison ma6 have been the dual cab cruiser
The curious kid in you is what makes your videos a treat to watch coz thats the curiosity that your consumer too carries. Well done Paul. On the summary of the video, 39 sounds much better than 79 to pocket for sure ;)
Mahindra’s are also used in North India and Nepal in the Himalayan roads. Where more than 50 of the top 100 highest (snowcapped) mountains are. If they survive that they survive everything
Well done Paul, I love the professional honest videos you guys produce 👍
Last year in India, I saw a Mahindra Bolero Camper going uphill carrying 3 women and the driver in the first row, 4 men in 2nd row, 5 boys uptop in the roof and a "cow" in the back, the cow was also given all the grass in the world😂😂😂, NGL that mindy sounded like a crying whale😅😅
Sounds like a traditional Punjabi HONEYMOON if ever I've heard it!
Well, the cow needs to eat. It's going to starve in 5hr road trip haha.
@@percentbigfootwas that funny or ur making fun of yourself??
@@ankurshrivastava3239 I will leave that to your interpretation. 🙂
Great to see these tests are still going on…. Finally a separate company putting manufacturers vehicles to a more real life test & actually publishing the information. So cheers.
The only thing I would like to see I’ll use this vid as a eg. Both vehicles at gvm. Yes I understand why u didn’t, but to me that gave the edge to the LC.
Cheer’s keep it up team.
a more decisive comparison would have been the Toyota Hilux Double Cab (even the Raider model), the Nissan NP300 Double Cab, the Ford F150 and the Ford Ranger Double Cab vs the Mahindra
new all pickups feel and work great - now live and work with those same vehicles for a decade or 300,000 km then we talk again
the outcome will be far different if the vehicles would perform the same test
my prediction is that if those pickups were used as real workhorses and not as a mere city-boy mode of transport with occasional loads and on bad road surfaces and regular dirt roads and farm roads that the Mahindra won't even be around at that point and the fords would have underwent either tons of mechanical upkeep or possibly repairs while the japanese pickups would still be fine
also remember Toyota is bringing out a $10,000 pickup truck that will also later be available in double cab and 4x4 models, so the price mention now largely becomes a negative for mahindra who simply took a sub $10k vehicle and tried to sell it cheaper but very near the main brand pickup trucks
in fact in South Africa a mahindra, chinese pickups and other garbage pickups are now sold at only a minor price difference from the Japanese main brands, why would I buy a Mahindra if I can have a Toyota Hilux Double Cab for the same price? And if anyone wonders exactly how a japanese pickup truck differs from anything else, go view the topgear episode where they team tried to destroy an old diesel toyota hilux - as for local experience myself, I owned a mahindra and it had one mechanical failure after the other throughout the warranty period and we later had to resort to the courts to force a refund, other rural owners I encountered share similar horror stories, a business I deal with on a monthly basis have a whole fleet of both the regular Mahindra pickups and the purely commercial ones and they confess to the same problem, but their solution is to trade in each mahindra after 11 months for a new one at the dealership to avoid repair and warranty wars.
If you plan on replacing your pickup each year. Buy a mahindra.
If you plan on buying one pickup that has to last because there won't be funds for a very long time to see to a replacement, then buy japanese
I replaced my new and refunded mahindra commercial single cab LWB with a used Nissan Hardbody single cab LBW (that pre-dates the Nissan NP300 which was it's new model during the time I bought the mahindra), at the time I purchased the nissan hardbody it was already 6 years old.
My used nissan hardbody is now only two services away from the 400,000 km mark and still going strong and doing it's job and no mechanical failures have occurred, I service it myself
mahindras are serviced by it's dealerships and don't last past their warranties on average
many claim to own a veteran mahindra, however on the rare occasions when you do spot them on the roads in SA they are new, you almost never find an older model since those have either been scrapped or waiting to be fixed, thieves over here don't even want to steal a mahindra with the keys left in the ignition since it is such a piece of garbage - however they'll go to great lengths to steal even a used japanese pickup
let that sink in - also consider that at the time of release of this video praising the mahindra, other youtubers in the same category are also doing mahindra videos, because mahindra is running scared of the newer planned japanese pickup brand releases that will simply outsell mahindra's overpriced unreliable garbage, all manufacturers do paid for social media and video content, this is no exception
I have purchased the Mahindra Roothy Pack with the EFS lift. Should have in a couple of weeks
Does the lift increase the payload, thinking of getting it on my Pik Up.
@@404errorpagenotfound.6 To tell you the truth I am not sure. Standard height payload is bit over the Tone.
Mahindra has it's roots in industrial farming equipment. They could easily build the very best work truck for less than overpriced Toyota. At this price point, I'd get the Mahindra in a flash. If something breaks, it'll be cheap to fix and improve to keep on going.
G'day mate! Just became a new subscriber, and let me tell ya, sending heaps of love from India after checking out this ripper video comparing the Toyota 70 series with the Mahindra Pikup! Bloody legends!
Paul, if I were to be using it as a work vehicle, I’m prepared to spend double and get 2 pick ups rather than 1 marginally better ute. If I was buying into the “hype”, I’d get the 70 series just because. Great comparison, I know what the next work ute is going to be and I’ll have no issue relinquishing it other drivers🤙🏼
like this comparison but should have the load the same way distributed, Mahindra has load way more at the back due to dual cab, would be nice to both in pickup version with both the max load. Great video .....
The main concern that i have is the resale after a 4 or 5 year lease. I know Toyota is going to hold it's value. Thats good for my business
You’d have to do the numbers… how much do you predict your $80k+ LC70 is worth after 5 years? VS let’s be honest bugger all (almost scrap value or $5k-$10k tops) on the Mahindra… realistically the question is are you going to get $45k+ resale value out of a 5 year old LC70 (depending on the condition it’s in once you’ve finished with it)? How much extra did you pay in interest financing $80k vs finance on $40k? … numbers numbers numbers
Good review guys.
I wish you would incorporate more of the "Belgian pave" and the rough road tests in more of your reviews, especially when reviewing luxury cars (BMW's Landcruiser's, Lexus, Mercedes etc) and if possible, actually score them (like the way dough demurro has a dough-score) based on their performances, metrics like "vibrations, noise, cricking & shaking of components, smoothness etc).
Because, when you think about it, this is where true luxury vehicles should perform better than "ordinary vehicles" and information like this can be a make or break factor especially for someone who perhaps has a condition and is considering a particular type of vehicle over its competitors.
Thanks.
Very fair comparison !
Missed out on only extra weight distribution test on back 👍👍
In our fleet, we had ten Mahindra pickup trucks. The primary concern we faced was the significant inconsistency among the vehicles. Additionally, parts availability posed a challenge. After two years of utilization, our company made the decision to refrain from purchasing more Mahindras. While they can be excellent vehicles if you happen to acquire a reliable one, unfortunately, out of the ten models we possessed, five exhibited various issues over the same timeframe. The other five- we still have them... Among the problems encountered were suspension-related issues, leading to alignment difficulties and excessive tire wear. Another major issue involved overheating and damage to the axles' cogs. It's disappointing to observe such inconsistency in Mahindra's production process. Personally, I find them to be quite capable vehicles, having driven them for several thousand KM. However, in the realm of business, reliability reigns supreme. Nevertheless, it's an instructive comparison to make.
I think that goes for all manufacturers nowadays. Had over 20 in 70’s in the fleet on a mine; every single one had warranty issues with diff, turbos, engine and knocking sounds. All warranty but literally brand new and failed within 3-6 months
@@Dorko85 I agree any manufacturers can have this... However we have over 270 in our fleet... and almost 80% of them are Toyota... for many reasons... We had issues with Toyota's.... Non of them stoped us from using the cars... Thats just our experience... I
Bought a pikup and we are going to replace our hiluxs as they need to be moved on. We will keep a few Toyotas for towing capacity but that’s the only reason we are gonna keep a couple. Can’t justify the Toyota tax for a vehicle that’s half the cost.
Watching this channel for the 1st time, it was a great test of both vehicles to justify it's worth to end user with value for money.
Moreover I also loved reading few comments of so experienced owners.
Thanks, CarExpert
Great, honest review. Really looking forward to the new Pik Up coming out. Love Toyota but would definitely consider the Pik Up.
The single cab Cruiser has most of the load ahead of the rear axle, the Mahindra dual cab has the load mostly behind the rear axle, not really very comperable in the handling and ride stakes ?
Hi Paul, I noticed on the rough test track you did not mention it was built by Holden, but just said "they"? Is there a reason for that? I think otherwise it would be good to say the history of Lang Lang Proving Ground. But otherwise a terrific thought provoking test as usual mate.
They didn't even say Lang Lang, must be a legal thing.
Great video! Very cool and impressive tests! So rough! As far as I know we have neighter of these models in Norway.
In the mid 80ies we had the two door 74, but they're mostly gone. Even the ones that still exist😂 I've seen a very few special newer imported 70-series, but never a Mahindra. I probably stand out from the crowd when I say that I would so much wanted them both to be available here. The closest we have is the Land Cruiser Prado. Our road salt eats them too. I daily drive a HiAce (Granvia cargo van) that's now twenty years and I don't know what to replace it with. 😒
The seat reminds me of the movie "Contact" where Jodie Foster keeps saying "good to go, good to go" as she gets dropped into the rings! The seat rips clean off in that movie...looks like that isn't to far away either.
😂
Both utes should be driven with their maximum GVM
Yep, thought the same straight away.
They tried their hardest to make the Toyota look good.
Even the times 0-100 were doctored as the Toyota was obviously slower to 100.
Tow test please!
Im sure thats coming....
Great to see a single vs dual cab cruiser showdown 👌
Fantastic testing. Like the old days when car mags and tv shows (1970's, Wherrett on the ABC TV program series Torque) used to do real testing of cars compared to most modern day online based car reviews that are just seem to care about styling and performance.
We maybe a different generation. I Liked Peter W reviews. He also involved in the 2.6 sigma the ride was bit choppy though not great on dirt roads
You should have left the load in for the rough road.
These utes are made for work not play.
The rough road Holden built :)
adding load would make them smoother.
Agreed
Leaf springs behave much better when loaded up. But they'd have needed to go much slower with the loads.
The thing I still struggle with is the actual ownership experience.
My neighbour purchased a V8 70 Series in the past 12 months, its a 2016 gxl model with a hair over 100,000 on the clock. He paid $70 odd for it. The previous owner would have paid roughly the same.
I just purchased a 2005 HDJ78R Troopy with 330,000 on it. Paid around $50..... guess what it would have cost new....
I just had a look at a 2016 Mahinda and found it would've been around $26-30 new and worth about 7 now.
Call me crazy if you want but I'm no anomaly.
So I don't think this double the upfront cost and negating to talk about resale is fair to the full ownership experience that people will have however would love your insight?
I'd still rather see people buy these than GWMs though!
Sold my 2016 Dual Cab Pik Up for $24000. New price $32000 with bullbar, towbar, HD alloy tray, weather shields, and checker plate canopy. 120000Km on the clock.
I don't know when you sold this vehicle, but it lost just under a third of its value or thereabouts in that time. That is a great price however by todays market value so congratulations.@@johnhs5728
You nailed it with this. Straight up honest and factual.
I think one point that should be noted is - as you said - the Toyota is ultimately a more capable vehicle if you really want to load it up - but you pay for that in other areas like ride/etc.
For some people that will make the difference of it being able to do what they want legally and if thats the case then the Mahindra is out regardless of price.
I have a feeling those people are a tiny minority.
I completely agree its not worth double but to be honest I only think its worth slightly more because of that bit of extra ability. Maybe 20% more. Lets be kind and call it 30% for Toyotas reliability and service.
Thats a long way from a 100% increase and I really can't see why it would be worth that.
It would be interesting to have a comparison with both vehicles loaded to their individual GVM to see how the 70 series would perform at it's designed capacity. For the same reason a towing test would be a good future video with both vehicles loaded to their GCM for a fair comparison. For people who need a vehicle with more losd capacity than the Mahindra,the Toyota might be the vehicle they need if it can handle it's stated towing load.
00:04 Hill Road
01:50 LC79 Hill Road
05:22 Pik Up Hill Road
09:09 Rough Road
10:23 LC79 Belgian Pave
12:06 Pik Up Belgian Pave
13:27 LC79 Rough Road
16:09 Pik Up Rough Road
18:44 Verdict
Interesting to see how many accidents have happened because of the different wheel tracks in the Toyota.
Most farmers would go for the Mahindra even though the components aren’t as good as the Toyota
I don’t know about that, surely they would just have the rear track widened to match the front. Wouldn’t cost that much and could be claimed through the business anyway.
I don’t know about that, surely they would just have the rear track widened to match the front. Wouldn’t cost that much and could be claimed through the business anyway.
The only problem from the Dealer I spoke to is that insurance could be a problem as well as Warranty
Think it cost around 10k to widen the rear wheel track.
@@anthony-1357 If you're not super worried about punctures (or have two spares) you can get different offset rims for the rear.
I have a 2019 S4 single cab 2 x 4 fitted with a courier cab canopy. I have put 240 000km on it and I am based in Pretoria South Africa. I travel mainly long distance and use it to pull heavy loads and whilst it is very economical and very comfortable drive long distance I tend to burn clutches because on the 2 wheel drive the 1st and reverse gears are too high to move a loaded trailer away from rest on even a very slight incline. I tow well under the maximum rated weight but I wish I had known this on purchasing the 2 wheel drive. Clutches are dual mass and very expensive to replace and only have like a 20,000km warranty. I have replaced the dual mass flywheel with the old 5 speed single mass flywheel, pressure plate and clutch plate so now a clutch kit is only around R6k as opppsed to around R30k, but obviously the gearbox gearing remains problematic so I have to pick my delinery routes very carefully. Despite this I would still buy a Mahindra again just not the 2 x 4
Landcruiser Pickups would be popular in the US I think. We tend to make similar types of pickups by removing the stock beds and replacing with a flat bed, which is hand for farm and ranch use, especially for feeding hay to cattle.
On average buyers keep there cars for 3 to 5 years, so the long-term build quality and reliability is mostly irrelevant.
Sure the toyota will probably last longer but at that point you wont care as youll no longer own it.
The toyota Landcruiser 70 Series should be $60,000 Not $80+. And Toyota know that people will pay.
People pay regardless
And during covid they were paying $100k. Madness
Agree, I'm sure the LandCruiser is a great vehicle, but not a great vehicle for the price.
Love how you don't mention Holden. I used to go down to Lang Lang PG for 3+ yrs once a week.had the privilege to be able to go around the bowl and around the track. I supported the testing team.
Mahindra is known for its ruggedness and reliability. They perform in the toughest terrains in India in all kinds of weather and heavily overloaded most of the time. I have Bolero 4x4 that I bought in 2005. Its still in excellent shape. I love Mahindra ❤
I actually see more mahindra’s getting around in rural VIC than the new 79’s
Let’s see how long they last 😅
@@davidazzopardi5799 You don't have to wait for that information - it's available from India where conditions are worse than in Australia.
@@davidazzopardi5799they are work Ute's they last good. Got a 2014 2.2 pikup 169 k km gets flogged daily with 300 -400kg of tools materials....never missed a beat. 79series stays on the driveway.
You can ask from nepal , Philippines, Sri lanka, bhutan , Bangladesh, Africa , how reliable they are and older than u😊😊😊
Uncle Mahindra is no 1 selling tractor brand in the world 😊😊😊😊😊
You can't make a needle .....
Poor people 😂😂😂😂
Yeah whatever Paul. The mine down the road from the station I’m on has two Mahindra utes in their scrap yard. One made it to 27,000km and the other just made 40,000km. That’s a surface mine also not underground. I’ve owned a few Landcruisers now with both the HDJ79s pushing the half million km mark, and the old HZJ79 I owned (when a mining contractor) I still see around as it’s the outback posties Ute now & the last time I caught up with him is was past 800,000km. As my neighbour said to another local who’d gone down the Mahindra path who said he could buy two for the price of an LC “but you’ll need 4 of them”
There have been a considerable number of 70 series with short lives in mines also !
I would love to see you test luxury sedans and SUVs on that Belgian pave and the rougher version of it. It would be interesting to see how comfortable they would be in those conditions and how quick and well their adaptive suspension makes adjustments
Best real world review I have seen in a long time. I own a poverty pack Hilux so no bias intended.
Loved the test and I agree: both work vehicles would be flogged to within an inch of their lives so in the end they both acquitted themselves well as they should. 👍
Price is only one element of the value for money equation. Yes the Toyota is twice the money but resale value is also much higher. The Mahindra is cheaper but will depreciate at a higher rate. Also that Toyota dealer network is priceless when things go wrong out at Charleville or Gibb River.
TOYOTA LOVE 💟
Absolutely no justification for Toyota's pricing. Without a doubt the worst performing ute available, and it doesn't even have the ReLiAbLe excuse
Let me guess..Ford ranger fan
Naww someones jelly 👶
@@patriot2314 not necessarily. Just a fan of utes that are NOT overpriced, outdated and underperforming
@@bereal7266 I am very jealous of Toyota's ability to get people to buy their garbage
@@yissibiiyte the Toyota looks way better.
Great video as always guys. Quick question, is that an oil pressure gauge in the Landcruiser on the bottom right of gauge cluster? Looks weird it going up and down lol
Noticed that too!
You're partially correct about the movement of the tray and bull bar. Yes, they do flex a little bit, but what's mainly happening is that the ladder frame is moving more than the cabin because of the bushings that connect the cabin to the frame, allowing flex between the two. If the vehicles had rigid connections between the two, you would need a kidney belt to drive over the Belgian blocks at 40km/h. Most people really only notice this when they install a bull bar, and they think the bar mounts are flexing, but there's hardly any flex going on at all. Nearly all of the flex that's seen is in the body to frame bushings.
Oh, and if you think that rough track was bad, you should try driving on the rough track at the old Holden proving ground. The Belgian blocks have significant whoops that make the car slam down hard. You're definitely not taking that track at 40km/h without a kidney belt!
Mahindra for me, very reliable and affordable
Indian bots supporting Mahindra for no reason 😂😂😂😂😂
Seems like bots are proud of their Indian label Mahindra 😊
CCP detected 😂😂😂
Very interesting test and professionally presented, thanks. What about off-road performance. Have you done that comparison?
Great video. The only thing stopping people from getting the Mahindra, is it's looks.
Can you please do a tank 300 vs Scorpio? Thanks.
Maybe it's just just you and a few others that feel that way. Not forgetting, other TH-camrs who have created a fool manipulation on the viewers that the PikUp looks ridiculous. Have had mine for a year, and wherever I go...people acknowledge and just give 1 comment "That thing has a body aye, some body they make...phooooow". For fun, I also go and park it up next to any Hilux and LCs in the parking lot...and every bloody time I have a chuckle when I see its size and realise how much I paid for it. Saving up to make it like a Karoo Dawn and this should also fix the looks for those potential buyers who are bothered by "looks".
Lastly, beauty is in the eye of the beholder anyway. Peace ✌
THE MAHINDRA IS A BETTER CAR! JUST ACCEPT IT!
Mahindra is better than Toyota
😂
One would expect the vehicle with the higher payload capacity to be sprung more stiffly and ride more harshly when empty. It may have been interesting to see the Pave' results with a 1 ton load or at least a 1/2 ton load in the bed.
My old Power Wagon from the 1960's rode only pretty badly uncomfortable when full loaded with 4 tons in the bed but was horrifically painful and beyond uncomfortable when empty leaving you considering do I wear a seat belt and feel like I'm being sawn asunder or go without and wear a hard hat so I won't loose consciousness as my head thrashes against the roof (no real headliner just a hard woven mat bonded to the steel roof panel on those). Mine had 12 leafs in the springs and came with 16 ply low profile tires on 16.5 inch rims to support the heavy loads and be stable hauling construction equipment around.
On the Toyota narrow wheel track - That might be to support the option to put dual rear wheels in the back which here in the States was a dealer option (a quite popular one too) on those back in the day that could be done without an axle swap. They often put a full stake pocket bed with removable fence panels on them when the dual wheels were put on them with some also getting a dump kit.
Best!
A good comparison, I think a lot of people will still worry about the long term availability of spares and getting service in the outback for the Mahindra.
But in a continually tightening budget of middle class the Mahindra may get some market traction, I will be watching these going ahead.
Two things in favour of the cruiser is parts everywhere and resale value. No matter how great the Mahindra is, people will still blindly buy the cruiser.
These tests are made on the tar road, I have to drive more off-road to reach my farm, my 1995 LC70 brings me smile every time I take on the challenge in the rain with the portable air compressor trailer hooked. Used old LC70 is cheap and reliable workhorse option.
Thank you. That was well done. Cheers.
I have never,not even once have thought a 70 series felt twitchy on the open road in 120,000kms due to rear track difference.
Even since the wide track kit has gone in I don’t even notice at all.
He's hard to figure out, I don't think he likes the 70 series but at the same time I also feel he's a Toyota shill..
what's the payload difference dual cab vs dual cab, and single vs single? i feel like it isn't a fair comparison doing dual cab vs single. very different dynamics and likely difference in payload capacity
You were also comparing a dual cab Pikup with the single cab Cruiser so the load placement in the tray would have made a difference to handling and feel. With the Cruiser the load was infront of and directy over the back wheels, where as in the Pikup the load was above and behind the back wheels.
Great and fair video. Look forward to the towing test comparison
I have to say, the greatest amount of torture in this video was watching Paul wilt under the most mild of conditions as if he had been sent to the depths of hell to steal Satan’s crown. Dude, you are on a certified test track in an air conditioned vehicle with what I would reckon a decent amount of HR related first aid. You will be ok buddy, you can get through this, even though you might feel ‘unwell’ push on big guy.
wow you're such an Alpha
I bet you eat Weetbix dry too
It all depends on the dealer support network. If Mahindra can bolster its dealer network, people will buy them. Aftercare, supply and support is the key especially for work vehicles. Any hiccups with them needing to be taken off the road for any length of time waiting for consumables may deter some. Price wise though it's very tempting.
As a Land Cruiser lover and my father owning a 78 series, I love the LC79. The LandCruisers had proved that they are Extremely RELIABLE & Powerful❤🔥
Also have to take in mind the mahindra being dual cab that weight in the tray is sitting a lot further back past the rear axle which does have a reasonable affect on handling
Great video and test!!
@24:23, that was funny and I believe the Bolero was pulling more than 3 times of the designed load carrying capacity.😁
A towing test with both vehicles at max GCM would be good - perhaps include the V8 cruiser for a 3-way comparison.