Love an RnineT me, lovely premium feel and love those clocks - when I was in the retro market I just didn’t fancy another boxer engine though (especially the “old” one)…for me the Speed Twin pips it but then I like lazy riding and love the idea of owning Triumphs. Great video again Choppsy - you’re really rather good at this!
I'm with Mr. Flyer holding it down for us sorta young guys who love bikes with lots of grunt and don't have all the time in the world for track days (*cough* kids). I would appreciate it if Ser Chopsie would test out what I ride the R1250R and see what kind of abuse it can take 😆
Great way to describe this bike as 75% playtime and 25% ride enjoyment, find that exact same ratio when riding my R1250R and at some point I've even asked myself why not just go the extra 25% into a speed triple. especially coming from sport bikes and even more especially on the rare occasion I get dusted by a supernaked 😆
@@pbofan me: when buying my first BMW (a 900 gs) telling the salesman not to bother showing me the fancy dash and whiz wheel wondering why they can't offer analog clocks on a dual sport Also me: when trading it for the R1250R don't bother showing me the nine-t even if it had cruise because I can't live without the amazing dash and whiz wheel 😆
Let's say it, anyone with an eye for design loves the R9T range. It feels like a special bike to ride, and although I enjoyed my Gen 1 Speed Twin it kind of gets lost in the Triumph range with Streets and other Bonnevilles. The R9T seems unique and I love the running characteristics of the Boxer. A keeper!
what kind of riding do you do with these bikes? How long of a ride? I ride a honda monkey and I love doing long rides (200+ miles) but I cannot go faster than 60 mph so that's the limiting factor. But the monkey is super comfortable for all day rides. I wonder if i should get a bigger bike but the weight is intimidating. the monkey is only 220 lbs.
@@edwardchoe1495 Do not worry about the weight. Its a bit of an issue at crawling speeds but the weight disappears once you get moving. The gyroscopic principle helps to keep your bike upright, so the faster you go the lighter it will feel. Its possible to corner just as good on heavy bikes, and maneuvering through traffic will be a breeze if you get a short wheelbase streetfighter.
Concur. The base model has RWU forks, gaitors and is the so called "blank canvas". Its also 2 - 3 grand Sterling cheaper, and if i was buying new, the one i'd go for. Also like the retro GS version.
@@michaelhayward7572 I owned a “Bumble Bee” R100GS from 1992 to 2011. Wish I hadn’t sold it! The 40th Edition Urban GS is tempting….but with black (not yellow) hand guards. Trying to recapture those happy memories 👍
To be fair that's down to BMW calling the base version the Pure. Weird because it's essentially the original right way up fork version but heyho Beemer wouldn't be Beemer without some quirkiness.
Not sure if anyone mentions it in the comments but the extra cost spoked wheels are designed for tubeless tyres. The spoke anchors are external rather than normal spokes where they go into the rim. The standard wheels have tubes inside.
I have the 2021 Scrambler. My first bike ever. I've tested a few other bikes practicing, Honda, Yamaha etc, street bikes. I must say that I love the NineT. Good ride height, enough space for feet when shifting, awesome sound, and above all, the responsiveness through the revs. Not very nice to ride on the highway though since it doesn't have covers. I often get questions and comments about it. My first bike and I hope I will get to give it to my son when he's old enough.
Great review. You actually show details of the bike like the adjustable shocks and the USB. Love seeing close up details. Some of us use these videos to decide which bike to buy and tiny details are very nice to know! Very few others take the time to do that. Very helpful and excellent job. Thanks!
had one of these as a rental on holiday in Italy years ago, fell in love with that boxer motor! I've a 1250gs now, still in love, amazing engine. Would love an R Nine T one day, especially now that they chucked cruise control on there. Great mixture of classic and modern, kudos LCR and BMW
My dream machine. Much prefer those clocks over the naff, sparkly, OTT Speed Twin version. That's actually important, given they're in your line of sight all the time.
The 75/25 assessment makes perfect sense. When the bike is too fast you’ve got to zone in more as opposed to just taking your time to relax and enjoy it. Both types of rides are enjoyable ofcourse but definitely different
I agree, I've gone the other way, from a 2019 Speedie to 2022 RNineT. I ride larger distances and the chain maintenance is tricky as I live in an apartment building.
I test drove this R NineT five years ago or so, I thought it was a rowdy, hoot to ride and like TMF mentioned I love that it had\has dual clocks. Also, the R NineT has to be the most muscular, brutish looking bikes made, I luv it.
@@e.l.9589 I would have to say the handling and also like the higher profile of the Speed Twin. The R9T sits lower. Sound from the stock dual pipes as well.
The handling on my 2020 Speed twin was abysmal due to the poor quality of the suspension...... A set of YSS shock absorbers and decent progressive fork springs with pre load adjusters transformed the bike. Shouldn't have to do that on a new 12k bike..... The newer Speed Twin with the usd forks are better,I imagine,but don't look as good,or suit the bike,in my opinion.
Stunning bike these are, was soooooo close to getting one around a year ago. And, they hold their value really well. Build quality is exceptional (even for bmw) and this is reflected in the pricing. As always, top review chops. 👍👍
Wow it makes perfect sense what you mentioned about the enjoyment percentages between bike and ride, I am debating between a Bonneville or a Nine T, the fact that the Nine T wants to go fast, is probably a showstopper for me. Probably the most useful review for me, spot on with what I wanted to know about the bike.
I have a 2017 and everything you said was spot on, it's a combination of a retro and a naked bike. There is a lot of aftermarket and customization you can do on the R9T range. The R9T Pure would go up against the Speed Twin the R9T classic/roadster would go against the Thruxton although the Thruxton RS is probably a bit sportier.
I rode one of these a couple of years ago and loved it. My bike is a K1300S and it does psychotic very well. It might take a bit to get the lower horse power into my head but as I'm getting older now, it's sounding like a good proposition.
@00:58 One correction. The version you're testing isn't the base version. It's the premium "classic" model with higher spec suspension, ally tank and USD forks. The others have more budget suspension, steel tank and conventional forks. I've got the now discontinued Racer variant which I've had for 4 years and you wouldn't prize it away from me with a crowbar.
The bit about bike vs ride. It makes a lot of sense actually, especially when we get older and are a bit tired from the speed but still love the experience… if you get what I mean :)
Love my 2019 Urban GS R9T, peppy, quirky, goes like a bat out of hell, you can even tour on it- bags of character, plus it makes me smile everytime i see it sat in my garage. Apparently the new '21 model is slightly less engaging, according to other youtubers
I really like the R nine T, a cracking looking bike and a great review of it, John. It’s very interesting how you thought the Speed Twin was easier to just cruise about on, while the nine T wanted to push on - a good point and worth considering. Looking forward to seeing the Hyper vid 👍 Andy🏴
Hi, I don’t own the r nine t any more, I’m two bikes further on now. However, like most of my sells I regret doing so. The r nine t was a great bike. Great in town and the B road. Loads of grunt at the twist of the throttle on an A road too. Best thing has to be the smell in your garage for a couple of hours after you’ve put it away. That air head motor smells of oil and fuel which you don’t get on modern water cooled engines. Fantastic smell ! Only small gripes, and I do mean small, is there a dead space on the front break where the first 10% of movement does nothing. It’s been mentioned by reviewers before. You ride around it just fine though. The other thing is on earlier models (mine being 2016) the posh looking upside down gold forks weren’t fully adjustable, and the rear shock wasn’t very swanky either. Neither matter for B road blasts or A roads. Not at all ! I think the suspension would only need upgrading if you were doing the odd track day (not sure why you’d choose an r nine t for that though) or if you were some what heavier than the bike was designed for. For the record I’m 12-1/2 stone if that helps put some perspective on it. Great bike ! Shaft drive is super refined too.
Lovely review! Please don't complain about the engine being air cooled, that's a GOOD thing! BMW has nailed the design on this bike, absolutely timeless, and with many possibilities for customization.
Must admit, I prefer the RnineT, to the Speed Twin...........but i'm slightly biased, as I own a R1200R. From what i've found, any factory fitted "Akra" cans, are restricted to normal emissions and noise levels. My advice, buy one with "standard" cans, fit an aftermarket can. Usually it adds about £800 to £1000 to the purchase price for a fitted Akra, after market will cost similar, and you can remove the baffle on after market ones, not usually possible on factory fitted! Great video, as always Chops, keep up the good work.
Have owned both..... Triumph for looks and image. BM for quality and reliability. Have a Z900rs on it's way,so should be interesting to compare the 3. As mentioned here,very difficult to ride the BM at sensible speeds as it performed so well..... which is why I sold it. Had the feeling that my licence wouldn't have lasted, too long. Fantastic, and fun motorcycle.
Not ridden the Speed Twin but I have ridden the R9T, and I loved it. Great review. I'm going to have to ride the Speed Twin to see if I concur now but I do believe you've given a pretty accurate judgment. The R9T may be more expensive but you are getting a few things more. That boxer though is such an easy going motor you can ride it just as lazily to enjoy the views as any bike I've ever ridden so not sure i could agree there. One thing you don't touch on though is these bike are not much good at anything other than offering a stylish Sunday ride out. Really just a second bike for enjoying the ride when you're in the mood.
Know what you mean - last year I had the MT09 and I seemed to notice the countryside less on that bike - too busy focusing on the ride itself. I think part of the problem was that the engine was so effortlessly capable that I was always looking to create a bit more drama
I had exactly the same bike, but new back in the end of 2017. Akrapovic pipes were standard then, no cruise available, but went for the heated grips. Bought a Sargent seat which transformed the comfort (did not look much different from standard, but oh was it better !!). Only other changes were a dart flyscreen and a passenger grab rail from Unit Garage which blended in well. Loved the turn-in on the bike as it has a smaller front wheel than the rest of the range (17 inch) - the urban had a larger front wheel and the scrambler larger still). It has soooo much torque, listening to you ride it brings it all back 🙂. For the models back then, the standard R9T was actually the top of the range bike (bit weird, but that is BMW for you). It was a very special bike to own and ride. Only sold it as I was addicted to changing bikes every year or two for a while !! Thanks for the vid !
BeMoto didn’t want to insure my R9T even I’m already a customer the reason because I don’t have a garage!!! Where the bike is parked is much safer than a garage computer said NO 😤 Sorry not the place to complain but as it’s one of your sponsors just putting it there. The bike is an absolute dream to ride 😎😍
Actually, I'm not a fan of beMoto, either. They were the only insurance company to decline insuring my 1 year old Ducati - as I only had 1 years NCD (having come back to bikes after a 40 year break)and I didn't have 2 years NCD they 'required' - yet I already had an older BMW insured with them! Both bikes securely garaged. They also sent a threatening letter requesting proof of the previous 1 year NCD for the BMW.....despite getting an email from somebody else at beMoto acknowledging receipt of it! Unbelievable, and I gave them hell as a result, receiving a grudging apology in return. Yeah, naw.......I think they spend too much sponsoring some channels - it was 44 teeth led me to originally insure with them - and their actual coverage and service is decidedly so so. As for the R9T.....yeah, naw.....styling is meh, and I think Ducati finish and detail their bikes better, now. To give just one example, the much vaunted BMW S1000RR, killer bike to ride, but lacklustre, cheapo plastic and stickers everywhere. The older BMW's are better made and finished.
I bought the exact same bike new in 2018 , I replaced the front forks at 3200 kms due to knocking noises over bumps , it was perfect until I got to just over 7000 kms & got the same problem again so I had enough if it then & got rid of it after having it just for 6 months , I was disappointed because I liked the bike , it didn’t like the backroads here in Ireland , I bought a 2019 s1000r sport after that & never got a problem great all round bike but that’s gone now for a new busa bought last July & loving it
I had the original R90 in the day and also the Bonne in the 70's. I thought the R90 had the edge then and still think so now. mind you, I still own both BMW twins and British twins and enjoy them both for how they make me feel. I now own other bikes to go fast on though :)
Another great review Chops! I owned a 2015 R9T very similar to this one. Never really gell'd with that bike. That side to side motion was "unusual" and also the transmission and the way it shifted with the shaft drive was "unusual" too. Never could get used to those two things. It was a beautiful bike though and I got a lot of comments on it. I still think the Speed Twin is the better looking bike though, and I'm really leaning towards getting one of those.... time to do some bike shopping!
Thanks for the honest review. Just a little confused on a couple of points. 1. I mentioned the no fuel gauge to the BMW Motorrad sales guy. His comment "Yes it has, the fuel light comes on then you have 60-80km to fill up? 2. Size wise I am 5'7" 30" in seam, fits me nicely? When I sat on the F750GS it felt like a much larger bike & top heavy. I've not sat on the Speed Twin, Seat height 809mm v R nineT seat height 805mm? 3. Wet weight nothing in it really Speed Twin 216kg v R nineT 221Kg + weight would be lower down on the BM I guess. Both bikes are special and we are so lucky to have manufactures producing such awesome machines.
G'day LCR. A very good video and a very good machine but i still like the Speed Twin. It'll do everything the RnineT can at a cheaper cost, its for me.
Great video. You should try the rarer R9T Racer. I love mine and is stunning to look at in the garage. The riding position is a little extreme but suits me. Worth a try if you can.
R9T not the base Chopsy, that’s the Pure, funny you found so sporty, Chaseon2Wheels really didn’t get on with it. I tried my mate’s and the non ABS rear brake kept bothering me, def a bike to ride off the front end as you say. Def a modern retro to go up against the Kwak and FTR1200 etc. Now FTR1200 2021 model on proper tyres?
I'm same age height and weight and have a r nine t, I dropped the pegs 1 inch and raised the bars 1 inch and the bike fits me now. You hit nail on the head about customizing they are the perfect bike for customising, close to Harley's. Specialist customizer with kits (pier city customs are a supplier I have used many times)
Great review, have the Urban GS for three years. That one does not even have a rev counter! but a good all-round bike, might be in the market for something new shortly..
Ha....ive just bought one and yes....riding a motorbike non handed coz of cruise control....what a joy....and what a new experience...i think mine might be bit perkier though....a slightly better power to weight ratio..im 10 half the size of you!
Another fine review LCR. Pity you couldn't get the direct back to back with the Speed Twin. Re roll off engine breaking you do get used to it. For me the "old" oil air engine is better then the wc in this type of bike and it sounds better!! 😀
Good review Choppsy, I’ve not ridden the Speed Twin but bought an RnineT Scrambler about three months ago and am totally smitten. That said the stock rear shocker was not great so had a Nitron unit fitted (MCT Stowmarket) and have fitted a Wunderlich thicker seat so comfort levels are great now. Beautiful build quality…..I can see me keeping this bike for a good while,
Got mine about a year ago. It’s a keeper for sure. No maintenance shaft drive is ferah to havle. I probably will keep it till I die. It can be the Swiss Army knife of bikes with simple mods (the scrambler model). You can literally turn it into a bare bones gs for touring and have the best looking urban bike when you simply remove the touring mods. All it takes is 30 minutes to put on and remove the touring mods(wind screen, handlebar riser, peg adjustments) You may want to upgrade the seat as well. I use the unit garage gel seat which both looks better and is much more comfortable.
New subscriber here. Thanks for the video. I had this dilemma recently. I like the R9T, but when I sat on it I found it caused a lot of discomfort on my inner thighs. I think it’s me, as it does not seem to be an issue that others mention. In the end, I went for a T120. Maybe a Speed Twin one day …
I have a 2013 1200R roadster and was thinking of upgrading to a nine t. However on the face of it, I can’t see any real reason to (except for the styling). The 1200R is much more versatile, comes with BMW removable luggage for touring and is more comfortable for my pillion. It has all the performance of the nine t and the riding position is more upright (better for my bad back!). I picked it up for less than £5,000 - I reckon it’d cost me an extra 3 - 4,000 to upgrade and all I’d get would be a nicer styling package!
Buddy, mega edit as usual, The cinematography, all the different angles and camera views are A+🔝👌🏻 and of course you’re the best in the biz when it comes to actually vlogging, and articulating your thoughts. Are you ever on top of your game right now or what. Now let’s talk about this bike, really enjoyed the thorough review, looks like an incredible machine, it has so much character and charm. Not to mention style 🆒🎬🎥👍🏻
Back to the bike: I rented an Urban GS and was absolutely giddy about the strong, exuberant engine coupled with the terrific handling and brilliant brakes! I decided then and there, I must have one... BUT WHICH VERSION? I must have a tachometer, so that's my minimum requirement. Love this bike---Kudos, BMW!
I think this bike is a good all-rounder. You can use it as a commuter. You can use it for weekend fun. You can race it. You could go touring on it. I think BMW left out the fuel gauge because they want to convey it is a retro bike.
Imagine Chopsy if your partner said "I am only allowing you to have one bike and no more". This bike would be the perfect solution, as you get all these different riding capacities in one bike. The Great Around bike has been found in the R Nine T. And the lack of fuel gauge wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. You would just out of habit, make sure you automatically refuel everyday. And you would do this even more more on longer trips. So ultimately the lack of fuel gauge shouldn't be an issue. Remember, Chopsy there are thousands of R Nine T owners around the world, that are riding their bikes and managing to do it, without a fuel gauge.
I quite like Beemers, especially the Boxer cup replicas, I remember them throbbing around in support races at Moto GP's back in the day, great review Chops. 👍👍👍🇬🇧
Loving these Sunday morning videos! I’ve got the Speed Twin, and love it, but didn’t think to try the rNineT. As a larger lumpier person perhaps I should have..
I'm 5.11 and 17st, I find all the retro Triumph bikes a bit small, except for the 1200 scrams. The 1200 Triumph engine is a peach of a motor, but your right about the handling, when you push on a bit you soon remember that you're on a retro, where as the Bmw you don't, I bought the F900 r I wanted the TFT and all the tec, But the 9T looks the nuts,
Nice review. I had one in2016 still miss it. Still can’t believe it has no fuel gauge. It was a real pain trying to calculate mileage and look at the odometer all the time…
Great review & a very nice bike. Seems to have a unique quirky coolness about it & I totally get the appeal. A friend of mine is seriously considering one & is exactly the same size as you so I sent him over your review. Hopefully +1 subscriber! : )
I would imagine that if Triumph put equivalent suspension on the Speed Twin it would be as good, if not better. R nine T owners used to complain about it suspension too until BMW sorted it in 2017. Of course it depends what you want from a bike but I reckon the fact the Trumpy makes more torque and does so 1800 rpm lower gives it bigger grin potential.
You do sell it to me as did TMF. I bought the scrambler version , delivered during lock down without a test ride. Liked but didn’t love the tractor boxer . I what did I do ? Part ex’d it after6 months for s SpeedTwin. A far superior silky gearbox and fit and finish.
I have a 2015 r9t, the seat is very hard, I wonder if they have improved the seat? Cruise control, modes, adjustable suspension up front, time to upgrade, nice review
I love how you talk about the ride and the bike. I’d like to hear more on this… how would you define bikes that are about the ride? Do you have some examples of bikes that are really good at enjoying the ride?
Great review as per usual, thank you. Looking forward to your Enfield Interceptor vid (unless I’ve missed that?) for the other end of the retro spectrum 😜
Maybe it's because I daily a suzuki c50 but the new speed twin turned me into an absolute hooligan. Surprised to hear you say it's less rewarding to ride fast than this. I have got to get a ride on one of these.
Bought a X-R and saw the sports version with bare Alu tank and had to buy it. Love the triumph but bar position was too uncomfortable on triumph ( yes could have put risers ) major works done by pcc guys, airbox delete , Funnynpbike rear led led, drop the pillion pegs, dna air filter, rapid bike fuelling module, ac schnitzer race bars and alloy wheels ( the difference was amazing) led Denali light - now a keeper ( sold my panigale instead)
1:36 just as is, look stunning with these spoke wheels, the spoke pattern is patented. 2:54 a engine in a car does the same thing. How about motto guzzi? ... and some old inclined inclined v twin model from Honda. 18:29 116 Nm of torque is alot.
I would definitely go for the 9Nine as it is really unique, engaging, beautiful and full of character. The Triumph is a nice machine but it is still stightly asceptic and doesn't handle as well, especially cornering. The Boxer engine also sounds amazing and is a myth.
Nice one Chopsy 👍. I'm on my 3rd Beemer boxer now. My current 1250RS is bloody brilliant but does not quite have the character of the 1170 Hexhead, single or twin cam. I do miss the foibles/character* (*delete as appropriate) of the motor of my old R1200S.
Took a 2020 for a spin last week. Always loved the look but wasnt as impressed with the ride as I hoped. First gear very short and clunky into 2nd. The rest was pretty smooth though. So few extra revs, took off in second and with all the torque was fine. Wish I knew how to turn the tc off though! Couldn't get the front to come up
Love an RnineT me, lovely premium feel and love those clocks - when I was in the retro market I just didn’t fancy another boxer engine though (especially the “old” one)…for me the Speed Twin pips it but then I like lazy riding and love the idea of owning Triumphs. Great video again Choppsy - you’re really rather good at this!
I'm with Mr. Flyer holding it down for us sorta young guys who love bikes with lots of grunt and don't have all the time in the world for track days (*cough* kids). I would appreciate it if Ser Chopsie would test out what I ride the R1250R and see what kind of abuse it can take 😆
Yeah it's a lovely bike, actually something to add to my lotto bike list! 🤩 just need to win now!
@@josgraha Agreed, I ride a R1250R as well, and would love to see his take on our naked Shift-Cam torque monster.
Great way to describe this bike as 75% playtime and 25% ride enjoyment, find that exact same ratio when riding my R1250R and at some point I've even asked myself why not just go the extra 25% into a speed triple. especially coming from sport bikes and even more especially on the rare occasion I get dusted by a supernaked 😆
@@pbofan me: when buying my first BMW (a 900 gs) telling the salesman not to bother showing me the fancy dash and whiz wheel wondering why they can't offer analog clocks on a dual sport
Also me: when trading it for the R1250R don't bother showing me the nine-t even if it had cruise because I can't live without the amazing dash and whiz wheel 😆
Let's say it, anyone with an eye for design loves the R9T range. It feels like a special bike to ride, and although I enjoyed my Gen 1 Speed Twin it kind of gets lost in the Triumph range with Streets and other Bonnevilles. The R9T seems unique and I love the running characteristics of the Boxer. A keeper!
what kind of riding do you do with these bikes? How long of a ride? I ride a honda monkey and I love doing long rides (200+ miles) but I cannot go faster than 60 mph so that's the limiting factor. But the monkey is super comfortable for all day rides. I wonder if i should get a bigger bike but the weight is intimidating. the monkey is only 220 lbs.
@@edwardchoe1495 Do not worry about the weight. Its a bit of an issue at crawling speeds but the weight disappears once you get moving.
The gyroscopic principle helps to keep your bike upright, so the faster you go the lighter it will feel.
Its possible to corner just as good on heavy bikes, and maneuvering through traffic will be a breeze if you get a short wheelbase streetfighter.
Me too. The 1200 engine is the most dependable, says my friend the BMW master mechanic. I’ve had 2 on the GS platform.
I’ve always found it weird how everyone refers to this model as the base R9T variant when it’s actually top of the range. Another great review Chops 👍
100%
Concur.
The base model has RWU forks, gaitors and is the so called "blank canvas".
Its also 2 - 3 grand Sterling cheaper, and if i was buying new, the one i'd go for.
Also like the retro GS version.
@@michaelhayward7572 I owned a “Bumble Bee” R100GS from 1992 to 2011. Wish I hadn’t sold it! The 40th Edition Urban GS is tempting….but with black (not yellow) hand guards. Trying to recapture those happy memories 👍
To be fair that's down to BMW calling the base version the Pure. Weird because it's essentially the original right way up fork version but heyho Beemer wouldn't be Beemer without some quirkiness.
@@gerardmontgomery280any suggestions on ninet pure or classic? Buy which? Thanks in advance.
dear friend I had a dilemma, speed twin or nine but thanks to you I decided for bmw and I am happy...greetings from Spain.
Not sure if anyone mentions it in the comments but the extra cost spoked wheels are designed for tubeless tyres. The spoke anchors are external rather than normal spokes where they go into the rim. The standard wheels have tubes inside.
I have the 2021 Scrambler. My first bike ever. I've tested a few other bikes practicing, Honda, Yamaha etc, street bikes. I must say that I love the NineT. Good ride height, enough space for feet when shifting, awesome sound, and above all, the responsiveness through the revs. Not very nice to ride on the highway though since it doesn't have covers. I often get questions and comments about it. My first bike and I hope I will get to give it to my son when he's old enough.
Hi there! I'm looking to buy the same bike but I'm a bit concerned about the hight - I'm 6"2 and I wonder whether it won't be too small?
Great review. You actually show details of the bike like the adjustable shocks and the USB. Love seeing close up details. Some of us use these videos to decide which bike to buy and tiny details are very nice to know! Very few others take the time to do that. Very helpful and excellent job. Thanks!
had one of these as a rental on holiday in Italy years ago, fell in love with that boxer motor! I've a 1250gs now, still in love, amazing engine. Would love an R Nine T one day, especially now that they chucked cruise control on there. Great mixture of classic and modern, kudos LCR and BMW
My dream machine. Much prefer those clocks over the naff, sparkly, OTT Speed Twin version.
That's actually important, given they're in your line of sight all the time.
The 75/25 assessment makes perfect sense. When the bike is too fast you’ve got to zone in more as opposed to just taking your time to relax and enjoy it. Both types of rides are enjoyable ofcourse but definitely different
Had an r9t really liked it. But now I have the speed twin first 100 miles on the triumph and I'm impressed, both bikes are really nice to ride.
I agree, I've gone the other way, from a 2019 Speedie to 2022 RNineT. I ride larger distances and the chain maintenance is tricky as I live in an apartment building.
I test drove this R NineT five years ago or so, I thought it was a rowdy, hoot to ride and like TMF mentioned I love that it had\has dual clocks. Also, the R NineT has to be the most muscular, brutish looking bikes made, I luv it.
Nicely done! I recently sold my 2019 R9T and purchased the 2022 Speed Twin and absolutely love it. No going back!
Is it just a different experience you're enjoying, or is it something specific?
@@e.l.9589 I would have to say the handling and also like the higher profile of the Speed Twin. The R9T sits lower. Sound from the stock dual pipes as well.
The handling on my 2020 Speed twin was abysmal due to the poor quality of the suspension...... A set of YSS shock absorbers and decent progressive fork springs with pre load adjusters transformed the bike. Shouldn't have to do that on a new 12k bike..... The newer Speed Twin with the usd forks are better,I imagine,but don't look as good,or suit the bike,in my opinion.
Stunning bike these are, was soooooo close to getting one around a year ago. And, they hold their value really well. Build quality is exceptional (even for bmw) and this is reflected in the pricing. As always, top review chops. 👍👍
Agree with that 100%
Wow it makes perfect sense what you mentioned about the enjoyment percentages between bike and ride, I am debating between a Bonneville or a Nine T, the fact that the Nine T wants to go fast, is probably a showstopper for me. Probably the most useful review for me, spot on with what I wanted to know about the bike.
I have a 2017 and everything you said was spot on, it's a combination of a retro and a naked bike. There is a lot of aftermarket and customization you can do on the R9T range. The R9T Pure would go up against the Speed Twin the R9T classic/roadster would go against the Thruxton although the Thruxton RS is probably a bit sportier.
I rode one of these a couple of years ago and loved it. My bike is a K1300S and it does psychotic very well. It might take a bit to get the lower horse power into my head but as I'm getting older now, it's sounding like a good proposition.
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One correction. The version you're testing isn't the base version. It's the premium "classic" model with higher spec suspension, ally tank and USD forks. The others have more budget suspension, steel tank and conventional forks. I've got the now discontinued Racer variant which I've had for 4 years and you wouldn't prize it away from me with a crowbar.
The bit about bike vs ride. It makes a lot of sense actually, especially when we get older and are a bit tired from the speed but still love the experience… if you get what I mean :)
Love my 2019 Urban GS R9T, peppy, quirky, goes like a bat out of hell, you can even tour on it- bags of character, plus it makes me smile everytime i see it sat in my garage. Apparently the new '21 model is slightly less engaging, according to other youtubers
Love this review. You have a real nack of waffling some pearls of wisdom chopsy 😄 The 75/25 ratio comment was gold
I really like the R nine T, a cracking looking bike and a great review of it, John. It’s very interesting how you thought the Speed Twin was easier to just cruise about on, while the nine T wanted to push on - a good point and worth considering.
Looking forward to seeing the Hyper vid 👍
Andy🏴
Hi, I don’t own the r nine t any more, I’m two bikes further on now. However, like most of my sells I regret doing so. The r nine t was a great bike. Great in town and the B road. Loads of grunt at the twist of the throttle on an A road too. Best thing has to be the smell in your garage for a couple of hours after you’ve put it away. That air head motor smells of oil and fuel which you don’t get on modern water cooled engines. Fantastic smell ! Only small gripes, and I do mean small, is there a dead space on the front break where the first 10% of movement does nothing. It’s been mentioned by reviewers before. You ride around it just fine though. The other thing is on earlier models (mine being 2016) the posh looking upside down gold forks weren’t fully adjustable, and the rear shock wasn’t very swanky either. Neither matter for B road blasts or A roads. Not at all ! I think the suspension would only need upgrading if you were doing the odd track day (not sure why you’d choose an r nine t for that though) or if you were some what heavier than the bike was designed for. For the record I’m 12-1/2 stone if that helps put some perspective on it. Great bike ! Shaft drive is super refined too.
Lovely review! Please don't complain about the engine being air cooled, that's a GOOD thing!
BMW has nailed the design on this bike, absolutely timeless, and with many possibilities for customization.
Must admit, I prefer the RnineT, to the Speed Twin...........but i'm slightly biased, as I own a R1200R.
From what i've found, any factory fitted "Akra" cans, are restricted to normal emissions and noise levels.
My advice, buy one with "standard" cans, fit an aftermarket can.
Usually it adds about £800 to £1000 to the purchase price for a fitted Akra, after market will cost similar, and you can remove the baffle on after market ones, not usually possible on factory fitted!
Great video, as always Chops, keep up the good work.
That's my Sunday morning viewing sorted......thanks Chops 👍😁
I owned a 2014 R9T for two years. Loved it, then I rode a 2022 Triumph Rocket 3gt. I have the Rocket now. Love it, but have fond memories of the BMW.
Have owned both..... Triumph for looks and image. BM for quality and reliability. Have a Z900rs on it's way,so should be interesting to compare the 3. As mentioned here,very difficult to ride the BM at sensible speeds as it performed so well..... which is why I sold it. Had the feeling that my licence wouldn't have lasted, too long. Fantastic, and fun motorcycle.
Not ridden the Speed Twin but I have ridden the R9T, and I loved it. Great review. I'm going to have to ride the Speed Twin to see if I concur now but I do believe you've given a pretty accurate judgment. The R9T may be more expensive but you are getting a few things more. That boxer though is such an easy going motor you can ride it just as lazily to enjoy the views as any bike I've ever ridden so not sure i could agree there. One thing you don't touch on though is these bike are not much good at anything other than offering a stylish Sunday ride out. Really just a second bike for enjoying the ride when you're in the mood.
I love them, they're definitely a retro-futuristic bike but I love a bit of retro futurism.
Know what you mean - last year I had the MT09 and I seemed to notice the countryside less on that bike - too busy focusing on the ride itself. I think part of the problem was that the engine was so effortlessly capable that I was always looking to create a bit more drama
Thanks chopsy, enjoyed over coffee Sunday morn...
I had exactly the same bike, but new back in the end of 2017. Akrapovic pipes were standard then, no cruise available, but went for the heated grips. Bought a Sargent seat which transformed the comfort (did not look much different from standard, but oh was it better !!). Only other changes were a dart flyscreen and a passenger grab rail from Unit Garage which blended in well. Loved the turn-in on the bike as it has a smaller front wheel than the rest of the range (17 inch) - the urban had a larger front wheel and the scrambler larger still). It has soooo much torque, listening to you ride it brings it all back 🙂. For the models back then, the standard R9T was actually the top of the range bike (bit weird, but that is BMW for you). It was a very special bike to own and ride. Only sold it as I was addicted to changing bikes every year or two for a while !! Thanks for the vid !
For me it is the most fun and beautiful Bmw bike, hands down ! Great video good job.
It's nice to stretch and relax your feet on the cylinders on those bikes. Nice on cool days as well, gives pleasant warmth
BeMoto didn’t want to insure my R9T even I’m already a customer the reason because I don’t have a garage!!! Where the bike is parked is much safer than a garage computer said NO 😤
Sorry not the place to complain but as it’s one of your sponsors just putting it there.
The bike is an absolute dream to ride 😎😍
Actually, I'm not a fan of beMoto, either. They were the only insurance company to decline insuring my 1 year old Ducati - as I only had 1 years NCD (having come back to bikes after a 40 year break)and I didn't have 2 years NCD they 'required' - yet I already had an older BMW insured with them! Both bikes securely garaged. They also sent a threatening letter requesting proof of the previous 1 year NCD for the BMW.....despite getting an email from somebody else at beMoto acknowledging receipt of it! Unbelievable, and I gave them hell as a result, receiving a grudging apology in return. Yeah, naw.......I think they spend too much sponsoring some channels - it was 44 teeth led me to originally insure with them - and their actual coverage and service is decidedly so so.
As for the R9T.....yeah, naw.....styling is meh, and I think Ducati finish and detail their bikes better, now. To give just one example, the much vaunted BMW S1000RR, killer bike to ride, but lacklustre, cheapo plastic and stickers everywhere. The older BMW's are better made and finished.
Choppsy you know all the dogging lanes😂 I would buy the triumph just for looks .
You know what? I’m going to make myself a cup of coffee… I’m really looking forward to watching this.
I bought the exact same bike new in 2018 , I replaced the front forks at 3200 kms due to knocking noises over bumps , it was perfect until I got to just over 7000 kms & got the same problem again so I had enough if it then & got rid of it after having it just for 6 months , I was disappointed because I liked the bike , it didn’t like the backroads here in Ireland , I bought a 2019 s1000r sport after that & never got a problem great all round bike but that’s gone now for a new busa bought last July & loving it
I had the original R90 in the day and also the Bonne in the 70's. I thought the R90 had the edge then and still think so now. mind you, I still own both BMW twins and British twins and enjoy them both for how they make me feel. I now own other bikes to go fast on though :)
Another great review Chops! I owned a 2015 R9T very similar to this one. Never really gell'd with that bike. That side to side motion was "unusual" and also the transmission and the way it shifted with the shaft drive was "unusual" too. Never could get used to those two things. It was a beautiful bike though and I got a lot of comments on it. I still think the Speed Twin is the better looking bike though, and I'm really leaning towards getting one of those.... time to do some bike shopping!
I test drove an r9 and it was nice but the Bonnie was better for me.
Thanks for the honest review. Just a little confused on a couple of points. 1. I mentioned the no fuel gauge to the BMW Motorrad sales guy. His comment "Yes it has, the fuel light comes on then you have 60-80km to fill up? 2. Size wise I am 5'7" 30" in seam, fits me nicely? When I sat on the F750GS it felt like a much larger bike & top heavy. I've not sat on the Speed Twin, Seat height 809mm v R nineT seat height 805mm? 3. Wet weight nothing in it really Speed Twin 216kg v R nineT 221Kg + weight would be lower down on the BM I guess. Both bikes are special and we are so lucky to have manufactures producing such awesome machines.
G'day LCR. A very good video and a very good machine but i still like the Speed Twin. It'll do everything
the RnineT can at a cheaper cost, its for me.
Great video. You should try the rarer R9T Racer. I love mine and is stunning to look at in the garage. The riding position is a little extreme but suits me. Worth a try if you can.
Couldn’t cope with riding position got R9t sports
I love my R9T Scrambler. The Akra pipes come standard. Everybody I ride with says it sounds great from behind.
R9T not the base Chopsy, that’s the Pure, funny you found so sporty, Chaseon2Wheels really didn’t get on with it. I tried my mate’s and the non ABS rear brake kept bothering me, def a bike to ride off the front end as you say. Def a modern retro to go up against the Kwak and FTR1200 etc. Now FTR1200 2021 model on proper tyres?
I am lusting after the gs version
One of the best reviews I’ve seen on these great bikes. 👍
I'm same age height and weight and have a r nine t, I dropped the pegs 1 inch and raised the bars 1 inch and the bike fits me now. You hit nail on the head about customizing they are the perfect bike for customising, close to Harley's. Specialist customizer with kits (pier city customs are a supplier I have used many times)
Laterally mounted flywheel gives the lay over effect.
Great review Chops! I do miss hanging around in the garage while you work on your bikes. Can’t wait for more of that!
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nice one blue sky in the winter makes a change sir keep up the good work one of the best on youtube
One of the best….😉
Great review, have the Urban GS for three years. That one does not even have a rev counter! but a good all-round bike, might be in the market for something new shortly..
Ha....ive just bought one and yes....riding a motorbike non handed coz of cruise control....what a joy....and what a new experience...i think mine might be bit perkier though....a slightly better power to weight ratio..im 10 half the size of you!
Regarding making it onto a track bike, there was a BMW Motorrad BoxerCup - BMW R nineT Racer series run across Europe back in 2020.
Quality review thanks chopsy.
First bmw I've ever wanted to buy! At 6,2" size of bike does matter to me. Thanks!
Another fine review LCR. Pity you couldn't get the direct back to back with the Speed Twin. Re roll off engine breaking you do get used to it. For me the "old" oil air engine is better then the wc in this type of bike and it sounds better!! 😀
3:13 The cardan shaft (its rotation) causes the motorcycle to tilt.
Akrapovic, and spoked rims comes standard in Nine T, they are extras with other models: Pure, Urban, Scrambler.
Good review Choppsy, I’ve not ridden the Speed Twin but bought an RnineT Scrambler about three months ago and am totally smitten. That said the stock rear shocker was not great so had a Nitron unit fitted (MCT Stowmarket) and have fitted a Wunderlich thicker seat so comfort levels are great now. Beautiful build quality…..I can see me keeping this bike for a good while,
Got mine about a year ago. It’s a keeper for sure. No maintenance shaft drive is ferah to havle. I probably will keep it till I die. It can be the Swiss Army knife of bikes with simple mods (the scrambler model). You can literally turn it into a bare bones gs for touring and have the best looking urban bike when you simply remove the touring mods. All it takes is 30 minutes to put on and remove the touring mods(wind screen, handlebar riser, peg adjustments) You may want to upgrade the seat as well. I use the unit garage gel seat which both looks better and is much more comfortable.
New subscriber here. Thanks for the video. I had this dilemma recently. I like the R9T, but when I sat on it I found it caused a lot of discomfort on my inner thighs. I think it’s me, as it does not seem to be an issue that others mention. In the end, I went for a T120. Maybe a Speed Twin one day …
I have a 2013 1200R roadster and was thinking of upgrading to a nine t.
However on the face of it, I can’t see any real reason to (except for the styling).
The 1200R is much more versatile, comes with BMW removable luggage for touring and is more comfortable for my pillion.
It has all the performance of the nine t and the riding position is more upright (better for my bad back!).
I picked it up for less than £5,000 - I reckon it’d cost me an extra 3 - 4,000 to upgrade and all I’d get would be a nicer styling package!
I absolutely love the look of these bikes. Great honest review.
Buddy, mega edit as usual, The cinematography, all the different angles and camera views are A+🔝👌🏻 and of course you’re the best in the biz when it comes to actually vlogging, and articulating your thoughts. Are you ever on top of your game right now or what. Now let’s talk about this bike, really enjoyed the thorough review, looks like an incredible machine, it has so much character and charm. Not to mention style 🆒🎬🎥👍🏻
Thanks Mike 👍 😊
Back to the bike: I rented an Urban GS and was absolutely giddy about the strong, exuberant engine coupled with the terrific handling and brilliant brakes! I decided then and there, I must have one... BUT WHICH VERSION? I must have a tachometer, so that's my minimum requirement. Love this bike---Kudos, BMW!
I think this bike is a good all-rounder. You can use it as a commuter. You can use it for weekend fun. You can race it. You could go touring on it. I think BMW left out the fuel gauge because they want to convey it is a retro bike.
Imagine Chopsy if your partner said "I am only allowing you to have one bike and no more". This bike would be the perfect solution, as you get all these different riding capacities in one bike.
The Great Around bike has been found in the R Nine T.
And the lack of fuel gauge wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. You would just out of habit, make sure you automatically refuel everyday. And you would do this even more more on longer trips. So ultimately the lack of fuel gauge shouldn't be an issue. Remember, Chopsy there are thousands of R Nine T owners around the world, that are riding their bikes and managing to do it, without a fuel gauge.
I wish they changed the fuel tanks with all the different variants. That urban GS would be great with Dakaresque tank.
I quite like Beemers, especially the Boxer cup replicas, I remember them throbbing around in support races at Moto GP's back in the day, great review Chops. 👍👍👍🇬🇧
Great vid, chap. This would be amazing with Shift-Cam motor.
Loving these Sunday morning videos!
I’ve got the Speed Twin, and love it, but didn’t think to try the rNineT. As a larger lumpier person perhaps I should have..
Greetings from 2018 RnineT in Vancouver:)
I much prefer the style of the R9T over the Speed Twin. It may be my next bike. Great review. Thanks
I used to own one great bike.. wish I still had it but hey ho GS was calling at the time
Great review, had one a few years ago and had beautiful detail around the bike.
Picked up mine. Such a good bike.
I'm 5.11 and 17st, I find all the retro Triumph bikes a bit small, except for the 1200 scrams. The 1200 Triumph engine is a peach of a motor, but your right about the handling, when you push on a bit you soon remember that you're on a retro, where as the Bmw you don't, I bought the F900 r I wanted the TFT and all the tec, But the 9T looks the nuts,
I am a Big Boxer fan. Loved your review. 👌👌
Nice review. I had one in2016 still miss it. Still can’t believe it has no fuel gauge. It was a real pain trying to calculate mileage and look at the odometer all the time…
The 75% vs. 25% does make sense, also liked 'smooth but you can feel the lumps..' for RE GT
I bought the '21 RnineT for the looks and it has become my favorite motorcycle. It's a special bike and fast.
Fantastic review and thank you so much for your time 🙏
You're welcome 👍
The R9t standard is top of the range. I love mine.
Great review & a very nice bike. Seems to have a unique quirky coolness about it & I totally get the appeal. A friend of mine is seriously considering one & is exactly the same size as you so I sent him over your review. Hopefully +1 subscriber! : )
Welcome in the world of Boxer👍
I would imagine that if Triumph put equivalent suspension on the Speed Twin it would be as good, if not better. R nine T owners used to complain about it suspension too until BMW sorted it in 2017. Of course it depends what you want from a bike but I reckon the fact the Trumpy makes more torque and does so 1800 rpm lower gives it bigger grin potential.
No, it doesn't make more torque
@@yurig2530 ah yes, correct. R nine T 116 Nm at 6,000 rpm, Speed Twin 112 Nm at 4250 rpm
You do sell it to me as did TMF. I bought the scrambler version , delivered during lock down without a test ride. Liked but didn’t love the tractor boxer . I what did I do ? Part ex’d it after6 months for s SpeedTwin. A far superior silky gearbox and fit and finish.
I have a 2015 r9t, the seat is very hard, I wonder if they have improved the seat? Cruise control, modes, adjustable suspension up front, time to upgrade, nice review
I love how you talk about the ride and the bike. I’d like to hear more on this… how would you define bikes that are about the ride? Do you have some examples of bikes that are really good at enjoying the ride?
Great review as per usual, thank you. Looking forward to your Enfield Interceptor vid (unless I’ve missed that?) for the other end of the retro spectrum 😜
& yes, of course you can borrow mine (if I can ride one of yours)…though it is not *totally* standard. 👍🏼
What type of phone holder is that? Great review 👌
Maybe it's because I daily a suzuki c50 but the new speed twin turned me into an absolute hooligan. Surprised to hear you say it's less rewarding to ride fast than this. I have got to get a ride on one of these.
Bought a X-R and saw the sports version with bare Alu tank and had to buy it. Love the triumph but bar position was too uncomfortable on triumph ( yes could have put risers ) major works done by pcc guys, airbox delete , Funnynpbike rear led led, drop the pillion pegs, dna air filter, rapid bike fuelling module, ac schnitzer race bars and alloy wheels ( the difference was amazing) led Denali light - now a keeper ( sold my panigale instead)
1:36 just as is, look stunning with these spoke wheels, the spoke pattern is patented.
2:54 a engine in a car does the same thing.
How about motto guzzi? ... and some old inclined inclined v twin model from Honda.
18:29 116 Nm of torque is alot.
Another great vid Chops, I quite like the R nineT Racer...???
Great review👍I love the way you had to know what bike was ahead of you. I do the exact same thing on my rides😂
Me too!
it has got a shaft drive 👍
I would definitely go for the 9Nine as it is really unique, engaging, beautiful and full of character. The Triumph is a nice machine but it is still stightly asceptic and doesn't handle as well, especially cornering. The Boxer engine also sounds amazing and is a myth.
Which kit did you use for lowering the footrests?
@@HUSKY7-1 not sure if the question is for me
Apologies, it was meant for someone else, not sure how it ended up under your comment
@@HUSKY7-1 take care and ride safe 🙂
Nice one Chopsy 👍. I'm on my 3rd Beemer boxer now. My current 1250RS is bloody brilliant but does not quite have the character of the 1170 Hexhead, single or twin cam. I do miss the foibles/character* (*delete as appropriate) of the motor of my old R1200S.
I still have R1200S, it's a collectible!
Took a 2020 for a spin last week. Always loved the look but wasnt as impressed with the ride as I hoped. First gear very short and clunky into 2nd. The rest was pretty smooth though. So few extra revs, took off in second and with all the torque was fine. Wish I knew how to turn the tc off though! Couldn't get the front to come up
Great video - thanks for posting. One of my favorite bikes to ride - right up their with a tuono ;)