Yes it's a real treat to be able to do this sort of comparison - a rarity of course because I only own a few bikes! Thanks for popping by, I'm loving your vids - you're lucky to have a camera"man".....all the best!
I’ve bought one of the new ones. Managed to spec SC Project cans and it sounds incredible. This bike is perfect for a lazy run through the back roads. Also makes a good commuter.
It only sounds better because of the performance pipe fitted. This was not standard. So a little unfair to compare that. But the old paintwork was definitely better than on the new model. But the new model does go, stop and handle better. I have tested them so there is that to consider. Also they do the new model in a plain gloss black which looks much better than the grey and red versions.
I tried the old version one year ago and tried the 2022 version yesterday, honestly my feeling was that I was riding a completely different bike, so of course I did not compare one after the other like you but a year ago I was considering buying the speed twin because I love the look but I was also looking at the Z900RS, and it did not convince me enough, handling and comfort below the Z, I liked the engine with more torque of the triumph but was missing something... i was close to go for the Z but as I am riding already a 4 cylinders, wanted to change and have a twin with more punch in the low rev and yesterday, wow !! the improvements made by triumph are very noticeable for me even one year later, the chassis is much better with the new fork and suspension, lighter wheels should help as well, the engine also is more fun now, this time I am ready to sign the order once I have sold my current bike, the better handling and the engine improvements are what was missing last time for me to completely fall in love of this bike ! Regarding the paint of the fuel tank, there was only the mat storm grey at the dealer and yes first speed twin are better, but I will go for the black one.
Excellent overview of the differences, Andy. I rode the old ST several times, but found the front end slightly ponderous and the brakes, as you said, 'only ok'. The old paint schemes were better, I'll grant you that, but I do also prefer the look of the USD forks, sportier wheels and blingier Brembo M50s. I held off until the revised version came out, making do with a Trident 660 for a few months, but am glad I did. Keep up the good work :)
I've recently purchased the new model, and highly recommend to anyone. I also had a custom paint job as I wasn't a fan of the paint schemes available from stock. So really enjoyed watching your comparison video ( although on your bike you have the mirrors the wrong way round ??? ) thanks for your efforts with the channel.
For me, your 2019 version definitely looks better, love the more classic look of the fork gators, front guard and paint scheme, although agree I do like the new wheels. End of the day I'd have either.
As a 2019 ST owner I am also disappointed that you found significant improvements! I do like the new wheels, though -- much better looking. Nice review.
The old bike looks much better; they grey finish is far more subtle whilst the red finish looks a bit cheap. I also agree that upside down forks are not really appropriate for a retro design. Interesting comparison 😀.
I’d argue that the new, more neo retro style Speed Twin bridges the gap between the more classic styled T120 and the modern Street Triple. It reaches a broader spectrum of riders who don’t want the aggressive ergo’s of the Thruxton R, but still wants the power…
I have a 2019 ST and much prefer the looks of it (Red) it has a more retro look, there's little in it but it just works for me. I found the handling changed massively when I changed the tyres and rear suspension, it turns in faster now and moves position quicker, feels lighter too, more agile. For me that's as good as any engine performance upgrade.
@@hollowaysteve, I managed to get a pair of unused Thruxton ohlins half price.. If I hadn't have managed to get those I'd certainly be looking at YSS or Hagons as in real world riding they are more than good enough as an upgrade. The ohlins are good but not £1000 good in all honesty with the sort of every day riding we do.
Absolutely fantastic! Based on this I test rode two Speed Twins back-to-back and have just put a deposit down on the right bike! This is going to get expensive with aftermarket parts haha! Brilliant, insightful and sooooo useful. Thank you TMF.
I like your older model better. It looks more retro to me, and absolutely sounds better. Thank you for your efforts in putting these videos out, I quite enjoy them.
Finally! I've been waiting for such comparison, thanks! As to bikes: I owned 2019 Speed Twin and brakes weren't so good (once, I nearly didn't make it to a stop with a pillion ) so I hope these new ones are better. Throttle was very snatchy at low speeds and as far as I know they didn't fix the kickstand "knob" - it's way too short and very hard to reach with a heel so I would weld something longer there right away. In conclusion: get the new bike and fix the kickstand knob and/or snatchy throttle. Cheers!
Hi Andy, thanks for the great video. For me it's very helpful that you do your reviews from the point of view of the day to day rider and are not hunting for the last tenth of a second. I personally ride a Euro-4 Bonneville T120 and love the classic look of the bike. Even if the new Speed Twin rides a bit more agile than the previous model, I would always prefer the Euro-4 model. USD fork, radial mounted monoblocks and track tires on a retro bike? No way! With a slightly shorter gear ratio and different tires and springs, the difference between old and new will probably shrink significantly without sacrificing the classic look. And that look was precisely the feature that worked so successfully for Triumph. It's a shame that they're blurring that for cost reasons and the fear of losing a few tenths on the track against the competition. Just concentrate on your strengths, Hinckley!
I personally like the more neo-retro style of the newest speed twin. Has a lot of the classic style with some modern twists. The T120 does a good job holding more of the classic look, as well as more of the classic torque first, less rev happy engine… I think the newest Speed Twin bridges the gap between the modern Street Triple vs the most classic styled Bonneville T120…
Thank you for the great work/input. Sold my crf1000 for the older one… love it and it won‘t go anywhere! Thanks Triumph for making the old model even more a classic and attractive 🤩👌🏼
They’re both great right. Nice to see the updates. Love your gray OG Twin, overrun burble is mighty melodic! 👌🏼 Greetings all from southern California. Nice riding weather here for our Thanksgiving weekend.
The upside-down forks come with baggage - two of which are a mudguard support and a stone deflector. What may have passed you by (but have been omitted to keep this video brief) are the other hidden, subtle changes in the exhaust system. It is built in such a way that removing the catalytic converter and/or installing an after-market exhaust are no longer trivial affairs. For a new bike owner this is not much of an issue but as a bike ages this may become one for owners further down the line. On the plus side, it sounds like Triumph have put a done a fair bit of work improving the breed. All they need to do now is improve the paint scheme. They know how to do it, the schemes of the older Bonnevilles demonstrate this. I’m also totally with with regard to the Kawasaki/Speed Twin dilemma - I suppose you’ll have to blag a new 2022 Z900RS-SE to test… 😎
The front mudguard needs to Have larger brackets because at the top of the wheel is now a moving suspension component rather than the bottom of the leg. Now the bracket has to stretch down to a fixed mounting point. Unless it’s a GS in which case it hangs under the head lamp.
I’ve not ridden the Speed Twin (but did have a long test ride on the Thruxton R and loved it! 😍) but enjoyed this comparison. Personally if I am buying a ‘retro’ modern bike I want it still to look retro and therefore for me, your original model looks better. I prefer the proper coach lines on the tank, the ‘classic’ look to the forks and the overall appearance. This type of bike is about the looks, if you want the ultimate in handling, braking etc, then there are plenty of other bikes out there to choose….
Thanks Andy, I've been waiting for this direct comparison for ages 👍😁. Aesthetically, I still prefer yours - and to be honest you chose the best colour too in my opinion. The "buzz" you're feeling on the new bike is likely to be that it's not covered many miles. I'll bet that disappears within 1000 miles or so. I've got the 2021 T100 as you know, this also has lightened internals, a higher rev limit and 10 more bhp. The fact that they've accomplished this AND Euro 5 compliance is pretty amazing really and Triumph also seem to do this and give a lovely exhaust note too. So then, your next assignment - should you chose to accept it, is to ride the 2021 T100 and give your thoughts on the improvements of that bike too. As well as the aforementioned changes they've also improved the brakes (Brembo on the front now) which is even more important with the single front disc, plus the improved "cartridge" forks and the better fuelling. I will await your fine appraisal 😁👍. Oh, and don't worry about the "average rider" tag you give yourself - I reckon the vast majority of us fall into that catagory of we're honest so we are likely to appreciate exactly what your findings are too. As for "taking a spanking on depreciation" though, at the moment the cost to change is likely to be at the lowest it's ever been - such are the crazy (good) prices that decent used bikes are fetching at the moment. So, this may affect the decision which might otherwise be dismissed during more "normal" times 👍
.....yes it's been a while since I rode a T100, perhaps I should (although I've largely forgotten what it was like now!) - Quite amazing how Triumph can continually make these already great bikes better (despite increasingly tght regs)....
As always a great real-world report rather than a boring look at statistics and data. I think the new bike is an improvement even if it does take away some of the retro looks, - but that is what progress does. Trouble is, not everyone likes progress.
I was riding my 1982 CB750 a couple of seasons ago- I remember wishing I could buy the exact same bike brand new. I like a mechanically simple bike with a quality finish. Last year I picked up a 2002 Triumph Thunderbird 900 and it felt that I had my wish come true. Beautiful, sufficient grunt for my riding style- and as a Brit abroad I like the prestige of the lineage . The aesthetics of my bikes are a huge deal to me so although the newer twin may be superior, I agree with you that they have fixed something that wasn't broken by meddling with the forks of a retro classic.. I guess its my vintage, but I do prefer bikes to have 'proper' colours to them and I would prefer your bike in the red livery too. Brilliant comparison Andy, thank you. (and for me I also appreciate the added nostalgia of all your local B roads, I spent much of the late 70's burning round your locale on a CB350, then a CX500)(Then a Z thou).
You and me both - but the diffeence is quite marked if you're as familiar with the "old" bike as I obviously am as an owner.....either way both cracking machines if you're not too large a fella (ahem!) and like a bit of retro....like me!
Looks like they've improved the way the tank is welded, looks to be nice and smooth on the new bike. Also while talking of stripes I see they both have a muddy stripe up the radiator!
Looks like your fans have started clicking the like button before they even watch. We know every video is going to be good now. Haven't been let down yet.
Great video dude. I myself have the "original" speed twin. I can't see myself swapping mine in for the new one. Firstly because my Mrs would batter me if I did that 🤣 but also I don't think the new one has anything on it that or will do anything that mine doesn't already have or do. Speed twins are amazing bikes. Comfy cruisers and yet you can still have some fun in the corners on them. I'm with you on this one. Happy to stick to what I've got
Hi Andy, I also own the original 2019 Speed Twin extensively equipped with the billet accessories and mini LED indicators, it's had an X-pipe installed with Vance and Hines silencers, DNA filter, uprated springs and compression damper to forks an upgraded fully adjustable rear shocks and Ducati spacers on the twist grip. The new bike has got better brakes that's all for me - I will keep my 2019, it looks so much better and certainly looses nothing in the performance stakes.
Même sans maitriser parfaitement la langue de Shakespeare, c'est pour moi un régal que de vous écouter décrire vos impressions quant aux caractéristiques des machines que vous testez. Vous parlez "plutôt vite" et cependant, tout est clair et passionnant. Have great day Andy, cheers from France!
I have the 2022 and fitted the ducati spacer,worth the mod.Have de catted it mainly for the weght but in the hope that it will run cooler,the cooling fan runs all the time in traffic.De-catting is not as easy as it was as the pipes are welded on.The engine is stamped HP high horse power not HT high torque,as i would have expected.
Hi Andy, Brilliant review. As you may recall I part ex’d my ‘17 RNINET scrambler for a ‘19 Speedy. I’m loving the bike,. Looks, handling, fit and finish. It really is a winner and so much fun to ride on all levels ( having a go on a track day or an easy Sunday morning jaunt) Anyway, I’m rambling now. Long may the modern retro Triumph SpeedTwin continue to lead the pack. Take a bow Triumph. 🏴 👏👍👏 🇹🇭
The changes definitely make it look more like a modern retro, but the wheels, brakes and forks also just look like better kit. Wasn't much difference in the headlight bracket, at least on video, but the front guard also looks way more modern. Not a fan of red generally, so unsurprisingly I prefer the grey, and I do think the old paintjob is better suited to the lines of the tank. Your bike sounded a lot better to me than the new one. Of course I'd prefer the new model, but then while I do love big sporting twins, I'm not the market for these retro models. Aesthetics are a low priority for me compared to performance, and the sort of "character" I appreciate is mostly about the overall performance, power delivery and mechanical feel.
Yep pretty much spot on review. It kind of reminds me of them photo puzzles you used to get when you had to spot the difference. Anyhow keep the reviews coming your getting quite good at them👍
I have the old model. I absolutely love my speed twin. It’s a sleeper. People don’t realize what you’re riding. I’ve received tons of positive feedback. People constantly asking me about my bike.
Thought you might like to know, you helped me to make up my mind on what bike I wanted to buy next. I have just bought a 1200 Speed Twin, Stealth Edition...! I got a very goo deal from the dealer and now feeling hugely impatient for it to be ready. Thanks for your videos mate 👍🍻
Anoraky comment here: USD forks don't generally reduce unsprung mass (they frequently increase it). What they do, however, is improve the action of the front suspension as there's more overlap between the stanchion and the outer tube than a RWU fork, which means the bushes have an easier time of it and you don't need such a thick stanchion to avoid flex.
Great review, being a huge fan of older bikes and the modern classics your bike wins hands down for me, better sound, nicer paint, far better looking, I can appreciate all the upgrades on the new Bonnie but upside down forks, huge Brembo brakes etc in my opinion have no place on a modern classic, i actually think the front end looks pretty awful, after all its mainly the looks that set them apart, if I was buying it would be 100% the older model, love the videos by the way, fantastic channel 👍
Got the new one a few weeks ago. Love it. Just fitted a pair of cans, straight through but made virtually no difference because all the silencing is done in the catalyst . Compact and lightweight, feels like a sports bike imho. Glad I got the new one, but I'd have been more than happy with the older model , just superb machines. Cheers 👍👍 I like the new paint , I've fitted knee pads as I suspect many owners shall. 😉
Great review. I think you’re right that I slightly prefer the looks of the old bike, but I also like the performance improvements to the new bike which means that the choice between them is more ‘show’, or more ‘go’!
The new Speed twin is really like a Speed twin R like we had with the Thruxton / Thruxton R , do like the look of older one but given the choice would go for later model . I have a 2016 Thruxton 1200 (not R ) I was after a Speed Twin but the Thruxton was cheap , think they are basically same bike , looking at fitting speed twin top yolk and bars . Did see Thruxton1200 with speed twin tank , seat and bars , looked good with the spoked wheels , think the air filter / side panels look more retro on Thruxton. Mines been pig to ride in traffic , stalling , erratic low throttle , changed coils plug caps , done valves , replaced injectors , slight improvement , got Tune ECU found mine had original obsolete 2016 fuel map ! . Called Triumph dealer and remap is a free recall ! just had it done 40 mile ride back from dealer bike rode perfectly
I remember asking you about upgrading my yellow Yammy XSR 700 for the speed twin and your advice was go for it or try and keep both. Well, I went out and got a brand shanking ST but not the face lift model although it’s on 21 plate in jet black. To say I love it would be an understatement. What a machine. I don’t think I missed out on too much with the tweeks they’ve made tbh. I don’t even feel the need to change the stock exhausts as it sounds pretty fine to me. Thanks for the review though, as always most helpful
This is a great comparison video that I really enjoyed watching. I have just bought a speed twin in red, a 21 plate but the same model as yours and I have to say it's just a fantastic bike. I appreciate what you said about the improvements of the new model but being generally a 'slower' rider I'm sure they would be wasted on me! The older model does everything and more that I could possibly want. I have to say that it is far better looking, in my opinion too, than the newer bike for exactly the reasons you highlighted. As always it's a matter of personal choice but I'm one very happy owner!
What I noticed on the new one is the front fender bracket and the wheel design is very similar to the Kawi Z900rs. On the Kawi wheel design, it is intended to give off the look of a spoked wheel. The slight difference on the Kawi wheels is that the outer edges are milled and not painted to help give off the appearance of spoked wheels.
The latest Speed Twin went 'too' modern - I'd argue that anyone with a modern classic values looks first above all, and the previous generation wins here - whether it's gaitered forks, the hand-painted tank, or other bits, the previous one just looks 'older' - the new one, with its highly modern decal-based tanks, USD forks and monoblocs, and the borderline track-oriented tyres... it just looks odd. Add in the welded exhaust system and EURO5, and the latest Speed Twin has also become much (much) harder to customize on top! You can tweak the previous generation to get the suspension to 'nearly as good' as the latest one, and can easily make it create far more horsepower than the latest Speed Twin iteration if you really want to. I think the previous generation will be the one collectors want, in years to come. I could be way off, but I feel Triumph misjudged here - all that people were asking for was adjustable suspension (more or less), and they didn't get it. Most people who want a modern retro aren't looking for track tyres and monoblocs, USD forks, or matte paint and neon stripes.
@Kumar Ankit uh... no. The point of a 'retro' is to look 'retro'. If you want modern suspension and tech, get a sports bike, because even this latest Speed Twin is sorely lacking in all areas compared to actual 'modern' motorcycles.
@@mjbenwell6356 I had a 1970s Triumph - it leaked, barely stopped, and wasn’t very quick. I need something that starts on time every day as I commute to work on my motorcycle - an ‘actual’ retro would not work.
@@danielmeier8321 I can dislike the newest Speed Twin if I want to - I think they took a retro and made it far too modern. People can have different opinions - many agree with me, many don't. That's fine.
@@danieloconnell4225 its called a modern retro. The speed twin is supposed to be the most modern of the bonneville range. The equivalent to the speed twin is the t120, which is on the very end of the retro line. You are of course entitled to your opinion, im just glad there is an offering from triumph for people, who appreciate the look of a more modern retro bike.
TMF. Just traded in my 2022 t100 for the 2022 speed twin.. After four months of owning my t100 i made the mistake which was actually a blessing of trying the new speed twin. Now i loved my t100as it was my first bike. But after 8000 miles in three months. The urge for something a bit more hit. And the 2022 speed delivered it perfectly. An outstanding sport performance with classic retro looks. This bike will stick around for awhile. Thanks for your videos getting into it all.
Interesting. I'm about to get my fist bike and almost decided on the T100 but hesitating having seen some great reviews of the ST. Much bigger at 1200cc than was thinking about for first bike but some say if you start cautiously (using rain then road mode) you can build confidence etc. Are you glad you had 3 months on the T100 first? How would it have been to start on the ST? thx.
@@SWH-ch5tf i may be the wrong guy to ask as I’m now riding on a Rocket3. Recently gave up the twin. But she’s a fantastic bike as well. But then there’s the rocket which after going through two other bikes i have found the bike i will have for a long time. You can’t go wrong with the t100. But i put in tons of riding and miles in when i got her and felt fairly comfortable on a bike right after getting my lesson. I would have been fine starting out on the twin. She definitely has a lot more power and likes to be ridden fast. But can do the slow stuff fine. It’s an easier handling bike due to its nimbleness, but it can be twitchy in first and second gear. Although i always rode it in sport mode. So. If you are confident with clutch control and move about on a bike with solid confidence and decent ability, for a new rider of course, the twin could be fine. And if you sense you will be wanting more power down the line, may be the way to go. Definitely demo both if you can. You really can’t go wrong with either bike. Good luck.
It’s a pity Triumph don’t double skin the exhaust pipes. I think the newer bike looks better in my opinion. V twin all the way for torquier performance, both great bikes. Thanks for the video Andy. Very much appreciated.
Thank you mr Flyer! I would like to see a Street Twin on a diet. If they managed to hit the 160kg mark with that one...that could be a fun bike, more like the original Speed Twin from -38.
Yes John, that’s one reason I got rid of my street twin after three years of ownership. Other reasons include the joys of a very clunky gearbox and intermittent electrical faults as a result of an ill fitting wiring loom. The stock tyres were the cause of awful handing. Another thing which is always overlooked by reviewers is the potential injury caused by the protruding exhaust headers. I’ve burnt myself a couple of times on these. I hate to think what would be the result if the heavy bike toppled and trapped the rider under these. I’ve since downsized to a well known Japanese bike and am 100% satisfied.
me2 a triumph fan boy. have one bonnie, a 765 and one tiger. triumph is the most versatile brand which make extraordinary motorcycles. you name it, they have it in their arsenal.
Came to the local Triumph dealership to check out the T120. Just like a kid in a candy store, I gravitated to the Speed Twin because it has the top performance of the Thruxton with a better riding position for me. All the other Bonneville models for street, have them wimpy forks with oldschool gators that I just wasn't touching. Imho, the Speed Twin looks the best by a wide margin over any other bike in the world right now at this price. It's hard to beat it right now, pound for pound, dollar for dollar. The changes made to the new model to meet euro5 regs and still make more power are amazing! Once you uncork this sucker its gonna haul balls! I've already done soo many mods on mine I've lost track?
Hi Andy I truly belive bikes now are like mobile phones. Many different variants of the same phone/ bike some cheaper some more expensive, once you eventually settle for one it seems out dated with new variants within a couple of years. I actually prefer the look of yours but seems the subtle changes has made the new bike slightly better Great review
My Scrambler 1200XC also has the inverted forks and the mud-guards are a styling beef with me too. I understand that with the fork stanchions inverted, the mounts need to incorporate some kind of dirt protection for the exposed inner stanchion of the fork; Triumph just hasn't found a way to make it look good yet. Additionally, I had to change a fork seal a couple of weeks ago with a touch over 20k miles on the bike. The inverted fork stanchions seem to place the part of the fork that's most vulnerable to dirt that could compromise a fork seal right in the path of the dirt. Granted, it's a task that every rider should be able to perform, and only takes an hour or two (depending on individual motivation), but know that you'll need to purchase from Triumph (or fabricate) a fork spring compression tool to do the job with inverted forks. I bought the tool from Triumph ($45 US), and as I'm sure I'll have more fork seals to change over the life of this bike, it's worth every penny. The irony is that the oil seal, fork oil, dust seal and copper sealing washer totaled less than $30.
Upside down forks are stiffer under braking, as when compressed the forks are held by the thicker sliders with the stantions braced inside, whereas right way up forks are still supported by the thin stantions (sp?) when they are compressed.
I really like the look of the USD, merging old and new but then again I have never been a fan of gators. Paint job on 2019 wins hands down tho. Nice to see the side by side and that engine looks and sounds great.
Drop dead gorgeous, surely the best-looking retro on the market. I just wish it had cruise control - a plague of speed cameras here in Australia make CC very useful. Listening, Triumph?
I wish they put the clocks from the Speed Twin on the 1200 Scramblers--they look so much nicer than the TFT display. Another Triumph fanboy here. Great review!
I was the owner of an original speed twin ... 1949 ... and I must say that I loved my 49 hard tail more than anything made since with the exception of the 59 to 63 models since then it's been downhill all the way ... sorry you didn't get a good one
Thanks for a fun video on a great pair of bikes. (Another benefit of upside-down forks is that the larger, therefore stiffer, end of the forks clamps into the triple clamp.) (Also glad to see you’ve regained your senses and are showing us proper British bikes, instead of one of those Milwaukee paint shakers. Ahem.)
I’d say you were just the man to make a valid comparison between the two bikes regarding performance, handling & braking etc, you’re going to spot any differences immediately which you did👍. I agree the looks of the previous model are more in keeping with its retro aspirations, but if I was in the market for one of these I’d definitely go for the new bike based on your findings - better brakes, handling etc. Interesting to note the fuelling has improved on the Euro5 machine, exactly the same as the V Strom (my Euro 4 Strom was a pig around town) but a booster plug and a few other changes calmed that down and the Euro5 version (I felt) was much better right out the box. Even though I’m not into Triumph twins - I really enjoyed your back to back critique (interesting) nice one Mr Flyer more of these comparisons please!
Cheers Andrew - I'd love to do more of these comparisons but of course it only works for the bikes I own, and as I've already done similar videos for the Street Triple, Panigale and GS I'm running out of options!! GoldWing comparo coming soon mind you.....
Definitely lovely looking and designed motorcycles. Thank you for your review... Now looking forward to your monthly motorcycle news which is always a highlight. Keep well bye Stuart 😊
I ended up buying the 22 in red over the Z900RS and really like it so far, I chose the Speed twin mainly because two of my other machines are inline 4 and the other is a boxer. I wanted something different this go around and haven't ridden the RT since :)
Having only riden the speed twin on quick test, going on looks alone, I would be going for a 2nd hand 'original', in red, as the new 21 version, as you say 'looks too modern for a retro'.
Have to agree whatching this Re the asthetics, I agree the older one does overall look better. The front fork bracket on the new one is just to big and fussy, great review
Only thing I prefer on the new model are new forks,headlight bracket on new ones looks less engineered,handing bracket for front mudguard,ott,wheels look like one decent pot hole and there shot,and the paintwork looks poor with the shorter logo strip and no coach line. But unless you see them both side by side you wouldn’t notice,great video as always. 👍🏻
Possiedo esattamente la tua versione 2019, anche nel colore, è assolutamente fantastica e con look vintage coerente al 100% . Ora piuttosto che prendere la nuova versione -con quell'assurdo avantreno che di vintage non ha più nulla- , guarderei a una Duke 890 r !
Really good comparison, especially coming from a first generation owner. I have to agree, I did like the old paint scheme. Just put down a deposit on a red one, the paint quality is really nice and I actually like the new front end. Pick it up end of June...cant wait. Almost took the street scrambler but in a weak moment I took the plunge for the speedy, it just feels right. Keep up the good work Andy, love your work.
@@TheMissendenFlyer just an update Andy, picked up the speed twin almost 2 weeks ago....wow, what a ripper! Already have 800km on it, cant seem to keep off it...or stop looking at it in the shed.
I own a 2019 Speed Twin and it has ben one of my favorite bikes to own and ride. I like the improvements on the new Speed twin. Triumph keep the base model but offer an R version with Thruxton suspension or do special orders for this request.
Regarding the power on the new Speed Twin , the torque peaks at lower RPM compared to the old . Hoping folks swap the new to the old , hoping to pick up a bargain old one , good comparison video , very interesting .
Figures as tested by Motorrad-Magazine: Max Torque: 114Nm at 3400rpm (old) vs 108Nm at 4300rpm (new) Max Power: 98hp at 6700rpm (old) vs 100hp at 7200rpm (new) Acceleration from 0-100km/h: 3,4sec (old) 3,7sec (new) Acceleration from 60-100km/h in 6th gear: 3,4 sec (old) 3,9sec (new) Fuel consumption on country lanes: 4,2l/100km (old) 4,6l/100km (new) Quite different to the figures delivered by Triumph. At 3000rpm the new engine has about 15Nm less torque than the old one.
@@stefansikora5183 My 2019 Speed twin with cat, Cone slip ons & DNK Tune: 111HP@7219rpm and 125NM@3833rpm (at crank) and 500rpm extra (software unlock) The slip-ons make no difference. Tune costs 200 dollars and you'll need an android device and an app to upload it.
Looks like the ring on the dials on the new version are silver instead of black. Prefer that. Seems like the brackets on the fork are silver instead of black. I prefer the blacked out version of the old model. Miss those fork gaiters as well. The paint scheme of the older version is nicer I agree. Overall I prefer the look of the old one!
I’ve noticed over the years how after market pipes can change the pitch or frequency of vibration that flows threw out a motorbike. I’m sure lighter internals of the newer bike had a profound difference on vibes that would again change with a throatier aftermarket pipe.
Nice comparison of these two great bikes. I ride a 1200 Scrambler, so I know just how sweet the engine is on these machines. Aesthetically I agree with you on most points, particularly in relation to the tank graphics, which are definitely better on the old bikes. I'm not sorry to see the rubber fork gaiters go though. I'm old enough to remember them on bikes in the 70s and from a styling point of view, I'm quite happy for them to be confined to history... not everything "retro" is necessarily a good thing. I am a bit sceptical about the yearly updates Triumphs (and not only Triumph) carry out, along with all the special editions. Not withstanding Euro 5 requirements, I can't help feeling that is largely motivated by an effort to get people to trade-in perfectly good bikes for the latest and greatest updated model.
Yes of course it is Gareth - marketeers know people want the latest and "best"....luckily I'm able to hold my nerve and are quite happy having the aging bikes I have (they were the latest and best at one time!)....
I always want the new version of the bikes I already have. My 2019 Speed Twin has British Customs exhaust. When the new version came out I wanted it right away. That being said although they are different I have no problem with keeping my original. I like them both. It’s all about me.
Interesting to hear about the fuelling on the new one. I’m thinking about getting a speed twin but think I heard that Euro 5 introduces anti-tamper on the ECU such that you cant put a booster plug on anymore. But if the fuelling is good then suppose that’s not necessary. Just a shame about the lack of exhaust options. Thanks for the review, thorough as always.
I can't believe how much nicer the original's front end is when they're put side by side!
Yes it's a real treat to be able to do this sort of comparison - a rarity of course because I only own a few bikes! Thanks for popping by, I'm loving your vids - you're lucky to have a camera"man".....all the best!
I’ve bought one of the new ones. Managed to spec SC Project cans and it sounds incredible.
This bike is perfect for a lazy run through the back roads. Also makes a good commuter.
I agree with you Andy, the older version looks and definitely sounds better!
It only sounds better because of the performance pipe fitted. This was not standard. So a little unfair to compare that. But the old paintwork was definitely better than on the new model. But the new model does go, stop and handle better. I have tested them so there is that to consider. Also they do the new model in a plain gloss black which looks much better than the grey and red versions.
I tried the old version one year ago and tried the 2022 version yesterday, honestly my feeling was that I was riding a completely different bike, so of course I did not compare one after the other like you but a year ago I was considering buying the speed twin because I love the look but I was also looking at the Z900RS, and it did not convince me enough, handling and comfort below the Z, I liked the engine with more torque of the triumph but was missing something... i was close to go for the Z but as I am riding already a 4 cylinders, wanted to change and have a twin with more punch in the low rev
and yesterday, wow !! the improvements made by triumph are very noticeable for me even one year later, the chassis is much better with the new fork and suspension, lighter wheels should help as well, the engine also is more fun now, this time I am ready to sign the order once I have sold my current bike, the better handling and the engine improvements are what was missing last time for me to completely fall in love of this bike !
Regarding the paint of the fuel tank, there was only the mat storm grey at the dealer and yes first speed twin are better, but I will go for the black one.
Congratulations, excellent choice. Wonderful bike in every aspect.
Best regards ✌️
Excellent overview of the differences, Andy. I rode the old ST several times, but found the front end slightly ponderous and the brakes, as you said, 'only ok'. The old paint schemes were better, I'll grant you that, but I do also prefer the look of the USD forks, sportier wheels and blingier Brembo M50s. I held off until the revised version came out, making do with a Trident 660 for a few months, but am glad I did. Keep up the good work :)
You'll love the revised ST then if you've not already tried it?
I've recently purchased the new model, and highly recommend to anyone. I also had a custom paint job as I wasn't a fan of the paint schemes available from stock. So really enjoyed watching your comparison video ( although on your bike you have the mirrors the wrong way round ??? ) thanks for your efforts with the channel.
Who says my mirrors are the wrong way around! I prefer them inboard.....
Still a relevant video. Cheers mate. Both great bikes in their own right.
Couldn't agree more!
For me, your 2019 version definitely looks better, love the more classic look of the fork gators, front guard and paint scheme, although agree I do like the new wheels. End of the day I'd have either.
...and you wouldn't be dissappointed...
Can always rely on Andy for an honest and fair review ...I feel you really understand the spirit of motorbiking ...💪
Thank you very much!
Iff you a a average rider. I don't know where I would be rated!
As a 2019 ST owner I am also disappointed that you found significant improvements! I do like the new wheels, though -- much better looking. Nice review.
Yes I was kind of hoping I wouldn't notice them but there's no escaping the fact, they've made a great bike even better!
"original" one every time for me, especially the dials which I thought the new ones a bit glary!! Great comparison video as ever!!
The old bike looks much better; they grey finish is far more subtle whilst the red finish looks a bit cheap.
I also agree that upside down forks are not really appropriate for a retro design.
Interesting comparison 😀.
I prefer the red colour but the paint job on the grey is much nicer and hand painting makes it much more special looking.
I’d argue that the new, more neo retro style Speed Twin bridges the gap between the more classic styled T120 and the modern Street Triple. It reaches a broader spectrum of riders who don’t want the aggressive ergo’s of the Thruxton R, but still wants the power…
I have a 2019 ST and much prefer the looks of it (Red) it has a more retro look, there's little in it but it just works for me. I found the handling changed massively when I changed the tyres and rear suspension, it turns in faster now and moves position quicker, feels lighter too, more agile. For me that's as good as any engine performance upgrade.
What shocks did you go for Steve? I’m looking to do mine too.
@@hollowaysteve, I managed to get a pair of unused Thruxton ohlins half price.. If I hadn't have managed to get those I'd certainly be looking at YSS or Hagons as in real world riding they are more than good enough as an upgrade. The ohlins are good but not £1000 good in all honesty with the sort of every day riding we do.
@@stevesteve1965 thanks for the overall help. What tyres do you use?
@@romankampa6212, on my Speed Twin I have Avon Storm 3D XM.
@@stevesteve1965 thanks a lot!
I love the look of the new one. I'm saving every penny to buy that new red one in the new year. So no Christmas presents for anyone.
Absolutely fantastic! Based on this I test rode two Speed Twins back-to-back and have just put a deposit down on the right bike! This is going to get expensive with aftermarket parts haha! Brilliant, insightful and sooooo useful. Thank you TMF.
My pleasure and congratulations on the new bike…
I like your older model better. It looks more retro to me, and absolutely sounds better. Thank you for your efforts in putting these videos out, I quite enjoy them.
My pleasure!
Love your videos. No waffling and very detailed.
Cheers from Australia...
Thank you - appreciate that!
Finally! I've been waiting for such comparison, thanks! As to bikes: I owned 2019 Speed Twin and brakes weren't so good (once, I nearly didn't make it to a stop with a pillion ) so I hope these new ones are better. Throttle was very snatchy at low speeds and as far as I know they didn't fix the kickstand "knob" - it's way too short and very hard to reach with a heel so I would weld something longer there right away. In conclusion: get the new bike and fix the kickstand knob and/or snatchy throttle. Cheers!
Hi Andy, thanks for the great video. For me it's very helpful that you do your reviews from the point of view of the day to day rider and are not hunting for the last tenth of a second.
I personally ride a Euro-4 Bonneville T120 and love the classic look of the bike. Even if the new Speed Twin rides a bit more agile than the previous model, I would always prefer the Euro-4 model. USD fork, radial mounted monoblocks and track tires on a retro bike? No way! With a slightly shorter gear ratio and different tires and springs, the difference between old and new will probably shrink significantly without sacrificing the classic look. And that look was precisely the feature that worked so successfully for Triumph. It's a shame that they're blurring that for cost reasons and the fear of losing a few tenths on the track against the competition. Just concentrate on your strengths, Hinckley!
I personally like the more neo-retro style of the newest speed twin. Has a lot of the classic style with some modern twists. The T120 does a good job holding more of the classic look, as well as more of the classic torque first, less rev happy engine… I think the newest Speed Twin bridges the gap between the modern Street Triple vs the most classic styled Bonneville T120…
Thank you for the great work/input. Sold my crf1000 for the older one… love it and it won‘t go anywhere! Thanks Triumph for making the old model even more a classic and attractive 🤩👌🏼
What made you change from CRF1000L?
A very unbiased view hard when you own one have just come back to your channel after a break .nice to be back .
Welcome back Martin!
They’re both great right. Nice to see the updates. Love your gray OG Twin, overrun burble is mighty melodic! 👌🏼 Greetings all from southern California. Nice riding weather here for our Thanksgiving weekend.
Wish it was here - gales and chill this weekend!!!
@@TheMissendenFlyer try Cornwall :-( terrible here for ages
The upside-down forks come with baggage - two of which are a mudguard support and a stone deflector. What may have passed you by (but have been omitted to keep this video brief) are the other hidden, subtle changes in the exhaust system. It is built in such a way that removing the catalytic converter and/or installing an after-market exhaust are no longer trivial affairs. For a new bike owner this is not much of an issue but as a bike ages this may become one for owners further down the line. On the plus side, it sounds like Triumph have put a done a fair bit of work improving the breed. All they need to do now is improve the paint scheme. They know how to do it, the schemes of the older Bonnevilles demonstrate this. I’m also totally with with regard to the Kawasaki/Speed Twin dilemma - I suppose you’ll have to blag a new 2022 Z900RS-SE to test… 😎
The front mudguard needs to Have larger brackets because at the top of the wheel is now a moving suspension component rather than the bottom of the leg. Now the bracket has to stretch down to a fixed mounting point. Unless it’s a GS in which case it hangs under the head lamp.
Good point Neil - I hadn't clocked that!
@@TheMissendenFlyer zzzzzzz
I’ve not ridden the Speed Twin (but did have a long test ride on the Thruxton R and loved it! 😍) but enjoyed this comparison. Personally if I am buying a ‘retro’ modern bike I want it still to look retro and therefore for me, your original model looks better. I prefer the proper coach lines on the tank, the ‘classic’ look to the forks and the overall appearance. This type of bike is about the looks, if you want the ultimate in handling, braking etc, then there are plenty of other bikes out there to choose….
Yes that's my thinking too....
My thoughts exactly. I have the MK1 (in red) but wouldn’t buy the MK2.
Thanks Andy, I've been waiting for this direct comparison for ages 👍😁. Aesthetically, I still prefer yours - and to be honest you chose the best colour too in my opinion. The "buzz" you're feeling on the new bike is likely to be that it's not covered many miles. I'll bet that disappears within 1000 miles or so. I've got the 2021 T100 as you know, this also has lightened internals, a higher rev limit and 10 more bhp. The fact that they've accomplished this AND Euro 5 compliance is pretty amazing really and Triumph also seem to do this and give a lovely exhaust note too. So then, your next assignment - should you chose to accept it, is to ride the 2021 T100 and give your thoughts on the improvements of that bike too. As well as the aforementioned changes they've also improved the brakes (Brembo on the front now) which is even more important with the single front disc, plus the improved "cartridge" forks and the better fuelling. I will await your fine appraisal 😁👍.
Oh, and don't worry about the "average rider" tag you give yourself - I reckon the vast majority of us fall into that catagory of we're honest so we are likely to appreciate exactly what your findings are too. As for "taking a spanking on depreciation" though, at the moment the cost to change is likely to be at the lowest it's ever been - such are the crazy (good) prices that decent used bikes are fetching at the moment. So, this may affect the decision which might otherwise be dismissed during more "normal" times 👍
.....yes it's been a while since I rode a T100, perhaps I should (although I've largely forgotten what it was like now!) - Quite amazing how Triumph can continually make these already great bikes better (despite increasingly tght regs)....
As always a great real-world report rather than a boring look at statistics and data. I think the new bike is an improvement even if it does take away some of the retro looks, - but that is what progress does. Trouble is, not everyone likes progress.
I was riding my 1982 CB750 a couple of seasons ago- I remember wishing I could buy the exact same bike brand new.
I like a mechanically simple bike with a quality finish.
Last year I picked up a 2002 Triumph Thunderbird 900 and it felt that I had my wish come true.
Beautiful, sufficient grunt for my riding style- and as a Brit abroad I like the prestige of the lineage .
The aesthetics of my bikes are a huge deal to me so although the newer twin may be superior, I agree with you that they have fixed something that wasn't broken by meddling with the forks of a retro classic..
I guess its my vintage, but I do prefer bikes to have 'proper' colours to them and I would prefer your bike in the red livery too.
Brilliant comparison Andy, thank you. (and for me I also appreciate the added nostalgia of all your local B roads, I spent much of the late 70's burning round your locale on a CB350, then a CX500)(Then a Z thou).
Nice on Crispin, thank you for watching!
Excellent review as always Andy. Pick up my new Speed Twin on Monday 😁. Mucho excited 😃
W'hey - congratulations!
Great vid Andy 👍 didn't think you would notice the difference, have to say yours looks better 👍
You and me both - but the diffeence is quite marked if you're as familiar with the "old" bike as I obviously am as an owner.....either way both cracking machines if you're not too large a fella (ahem!) and like a bit of retro....like me!
Loving your videos. Something a bit Henry Cole about the delivery but without the irritating schoolboy jokes. An absolute pleasure to watch.
Interesting observation!
Very good comparison. Lot of clarity ❤
Always love your vids just thinking about a 1200 speed twin so really helpful ,Ash
Looks like they've improved the way the tank is welded, looks to be nice and smooth on the new bike. Also while talking of stripes I see they both have a muddy stripe up the radiator!
Nice comparison! Very interesting, I didn’t realize it was that much different. Love that 1200 twin! Yours certainly sounds better ;)
Yes surprised me James...
Looks like your fans have started clicking the like button before they even watch. We know every video is going to be good now. Haven't been let down yet.
I wish - not everyone is a fan of mine alas.....
I’m with you on aesthetics, the look of your own Speed Twin is far superior to the new one, personally it has put me off buying the new version!
Great video dude. I myself have the "original" speed twin. I can't see myself swapping mine in for the new one. Firstly because my Mrs would batter me if I did that 🤣 but also I don't think the new one has anything on it that or will do anything that mine doesn't already have or do. Speed twins are amazing bikes. Comfy cruisers and yet you can still have some fun in the corners on them. I'm with you on this one. Happy to stick to what I've got
Hi Andy, I also own the original 2019 Speed Twin extensively equipped with the billet accessories and mini LED indicators, it's had an X-pipe installed with Vance and Hines silencers, DNA filter, uprated springs and compression damper to forks an upgraded fully adjustable rear shocks and Ducati spacers on the twist grip. The new bike has got better brakes that's all for me - I will keep my 2019, it looks so much better and certainly looses nothing in the performance stakes.
Nice fair review. Regardless of which one, & the differences are quite subtle really, it's a great bike & genuinely one of Triumph's best imo.
Totally agree
A beautiful video and a great report. The bike is certainly considerly better than my real original Speed Twin 500cc which I rode in the '60s.
Just bought a new euro 5 23 reg what a bike the engine is a total peach handling top notch happy boy
Your bike is the perfect choice.
Même sans maitriser parfaitement la langue de Shakespeare, c'est pour moi un régal que de vous écouter décrire vos impressions quant aux caractéristiques des machines que vous testez. Vous parlez "plutôt vite" et cependant, tout est clair et passionnant. Have great day Andy,
cheers from France!
Pardon, J'eune parl'pas Francais? As you can see....
I have the 2022 and fitted the ducati spacer,worth the mod.Have de catted it mainly for the weght but in the hope that it will run cooler,the cooling fan runs all the time in traffic.De-catting is not as easy as it was as the pipes are welded on.The engine is stamped HP high horse power not HT high torque,as i would have expected.
Hi Andy,
Brilliant review. As you may recall I part ex’d my ‘17 RNINET scrambler for a ‘19 Speedy. I’m loving the bike,. Looks, handling, fit and finish. It really is a winner and so much fun to ride on all levels ( having a go on a track day or an easy Sunday morning jaunt)
Anyway, I’m rambling now. Long may the modern retro Triumph SpeedTwin continue to lead the pack. Take a bow Triumph. 🏴 👏👍👏 🇹🇭
Great review. I’m sticking with my “old” 2020 twin as well! A triple is next on the list.
Paint on the red one looks cutting cost New 2024 green paint on the Speed Twin 900 is amazing can't wait to see in person.
The changes definitely make it look more like a modern retro, but the wheels, brakes and forks also just look like better kit. Wasn't much difference in the headlight bracket, at least on video, but the front guard also looks way more modern. Not a fan of red generally, so unsurprisingly I prefer the grey, and I do think the old paintjob is better suited to the lines of the tank. Your bike sounded a lot better to me than the new one. Of course I'd prefer the new model, but then while I do love big sporting twins, I'm not the market for these retro models. Aesthetics are a low priority for me compared to performance, and the sort of "character" I appreciate is mostly about the overall performance, power delivery and mechanical feel.
Fair enough Joric - thanks for watching and for stopping by!
Yep pretty much spot on review. It kind of reminds me of them photo puzzles you used to get when you had to spot the difference. Anyhow keep the reviews coming your getting quite good at them👍
I have the old model. I absolutely love my speed twin. It’s a sleeper. People don’t realize what you’re riding. I’ve received tons of positive feedback. People constantly asking me about my bike.
Totally agree!
Thought you might like to know, you helped me to make up my mind on what bike I wanted to buy next. I have just bought a 1200 Speed Twin, Stealth Edition...! I got a very goo deal from the dealer and now feeling hugely impatient for it to be ready.
Thanks for your videos mate 👍🍻
That is awesome!
Excellent reviews as always Andy and tempted, but I think I will stick with my 1970 Tiger 650, Thanks.
Anoraky comment here: USD forks don't generally reduce unsprung mass (they frequently increase it). What they do, however, is improve the action of the front suspension as there's more overlap between the stanchion and the outer tube than a RWU fork, which means the bushes have an easier time of it and you don't need such a thick stanchion to avoid flex.
I'll take your word for it.....USD forks look lighter at the bottom end to me?
Great review, being a huge fan of older bikes and the modern classics your bike wins hands down for me, better sound, nicer paint, far better looking, I can appreciate all the upgrades on the new Bonnie but upside down forks, huge Brembo brakes etc in my opinion have no place on a modern classic, i actually think the front end looks pretty awful, after all its mainly the looks that set them apart, if I was buying it would be 100% the older model, love the videos by the way, fantastic channel 👍
Thank you veru much Nick - appreciate that!
Got the new one a few weeks ago. Love it. Just fitted a pair of cans, straight through but made virtually no difference because all the silencing is done in the catalyst .
Compact and lightweight, feels like a sports bike imho. Glad I got the new one, but I'd have been more than happy with the older model , just superb machines. Cheers 👍👍
I like the new paint , I've fitted knee pads as I suspect many owners shall. 😉
Congratulations Steve!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Thank you 😊
Great review. I think you’re right that I slightly prefer the looks of the old bike, but I also like the performance improvements to the new bike which means that the choice between them is more ‘show’, or more ‘go’!
Indeed....the new one is the better bike by some margin (it must be if I can tell the difference)
Love the New ST, just keeps getting better every time I ride it…. Good, accurate review 👍
The new Speed twin is really like a Speed twin R like we had with the Thruxton / Thruxton R , do like the look of older one but given the choice would go for later model . I have a 2016 Thruxton 1200 (not R ) I was after a Speed Twin but the Thruxton was cheap , think they are basically same bike , looking at fitting speed twin top yolk and bars . Did see Thruxton1200 with speed twin tank , seat and bars , looked good with the spoked wheels , think the air filter / side panels look more retro on Thruxton. Mines been pig to ride in traffic , stalling , erratic low throttle , changed coils plug caps , done valves , replaced injectors , slight improvement , got Tune ECU found mine had original obsolete 2016 fuel map ! . Called Triumph dealer and remap is a free recall ! just had it done 40 mile ride back from dealer bike rode perfectly
Good news!
I remember asking you about upgrading my yellow Yammy XSR 700 for the speed twin and your advice was go for it or try and keep both. Well, I went out and got a brand shanking ST but not the face lift model although it’s on 21 plate in jet black. To say I love it would be an understatement. What a machine. I don’t think I missed out on too much with the tweeks they’ve made tbh. I don’t even feel the need to change the stock exhausts as it sounds pretty fine to me. Thanks for the review though, as always most helpful
Congrats on the new bike Nigel - good choice!
This is a great comparison video that I really enjoyed watching. I have just bought a speed twin in red, a 21 plate but the same model as yours and I have to say it's just a fantastic bike. I appreciate what you said about the improvements of the new model but being generally a 'slower' rider I'm sure they would be wasted on me! The older model does everything and more that I could possibly want. I have to say that it is far better looking, in my opinion too, than the newer bike for exactly the reasons you highlighted. As always it's a matter of personal choice but I'm one very happy owner!
Yes I love my Speed Twin - possibly the best retro out there!
G'day TMF. A very good comparison on these two bikes. I would prefer the fuel tank paint scheme on the
older bike, more classic to my mind.
What I noticed on the new one is the front fender bracket and the wheel design is very similar to the Kawi Z900rs. On the Kawi wheel design, it is intended to give off the look of a spoked wheel. The slight difference on the Kawi wheels is that the outer edges are milled and not painted to help give off the appearance of spoked wheels.
The latest Speed Twin went 'too' modern - I'd argue that anyone with a modern classic values looks first above all, and the previous generation wins here - whether it's gaitered forks, the hand-painted tank, or other bits, the previous one just looks 'older' - the new one, with its highly modern decal-based tanks, USD forks and monoblocs, and the borderline track-oriented tyres... it just looks odd. Add in the welded exhaust system and EURO5, and the latest Speed Twin has also become much (much) harder to customize on top! You can tweak the previous generation to get the suspension to 'nearly as good' as the latest one, and can easily make it create far more horsepower than the latest Speed Twin iteration if you really want to. I think the previous generation will be the one collectors want, in years to come. I could be way off, but I feel Triumph misjudged here - all that people were asking for was adjustable suspension (more or less), and they didn't get it. Most people who want a modern retro aren't looking for track tyres and monoblocs, USD forks, or matte paint and neon stripes.
@Kumar Ankit uh... no. The point of a 'retro' is to look 'retro'. If you want modern suspension and tech, get a sports bike, because even this latest Speed Twin is sorely lacking in all areas compared to actual 'modern' motorcycles.
@@mjbenwell6356 I had a 1970s Triumph - it leaked, barely stopped, and wasn’t very quick. I need something that starts on time every day as I commute to work on my motorcycle - an ‘actual’ retro would not work.
@@danieloconnell4225 why bash the speedtwin when theres the t120 as well. I like the updated version way more than the previous model.
@@danielmeier8321 I can dislike the newest Speed Twin if I want to - I think they took a retro and made it far too modern. People can have different opinions - many agree with me, many don't. That's fine.
@@danieloconnell4225 its called a modern retro. The speed twin is supposed to be the most modern of the bonneville range. The equivalent to the speed twin is the t120, which is on the very end of the retro line.
You are of course entitled to your opinion, im just glad there is an offering from triumph for people, who appreciate the look of a more modern retro bike.
Yes like you I love the speed twin, only one thing for me that would improve what is a retro bike are proper spoked wheels..
TMF. Just traded in my 2022 t100 for the 2022 speed twin.. After four months of owning my t100 i made the mistake which was actually a blessing of trying the new speed twin. Now i loved my t100as it was my first bike. But after 8000 miles in three months. The urge for something a bit more hit. And the 2022 speed delivered it perfectly. An outstanding sport performance with classic retro looks. This bike will stick around for awhile. Thanks for your videos getting into it all.
Glad to help and congratulations on the new bike!
Interesting. I'm about to get my fist bike and almost decided on the T100 but hesitating having seen some great reviews of the ST. Much bigger at 1200cc than was thinking about for first bike but some say if you start cautiously (using rain then road mode) you can build confidence etc. Are you glad you had 3 months on the T100 first? How would it have been to start on the ST? thx.
@@SWH-ch5tf i may be the wrong guy to ask as I’m now riding on a Rocket3. Recently gave up the twin. But she’s a fantastic bike as well. But then there’s the rocket which after going through two other bikes i have found the bike i will have for a long time. You can’t go wrong with the t100. But i put in tons of riding and miles in when i got her and felt fairly comfortable on a bike right after getting my lesson. I would have been fine starting out on the twin. She definitely has a lot more power and likes to be ridden fast. But can do the slow stuff fine. It’s an easier handling bike due to its nimbleness, but it can be twitchy in first and second gear. Although i always rode it in sport mode. So. If you are confident with clutch control and move about on a bike with solid confidence and decent ability, for a new rider of course, the twin could be fine. And if you sense you will be wanting more power down the line, may be the way to go. Definitely demo both if you can. You really can’t go wrong with either bike. Good luck.
@@tlong9812 wow already on to the Rocket! Thx v much for the super helpful response - appreciated! Cheers.
It’s a pity Triumph don’t double skin the exhaust pipes. I think the newer bike looks better in my opinion. V twin all the way for torquier performance, both great bikes. Thanks for the video Andy. Very much appreciated.
As always, my pleasure James....
Great comparison! Thank you for the time you invested! I agree in every point! Greetings from germany!
Greetings!
Thank you mr Flyer!
I would like to see a Street Twin on a diet. If they managed to hit the 160kg mark with that one...that could be a fun bike, more like the original Speed Twin from -38.
Yes agreed - all the Bonnies are a little lardy….the Speed Twin is the lightest of the bunch though, lighter than the Street even….
Yes John, that’s one reason I got rid of my street twin after three years of ownership. Other reasons include the joys of a very clunky gearbox and intermittent electrical faults as a result of an ill fitting wiring loom. The stock tyres were the cause of awful handing. Another thing which is always overlooked by reviewers is the potential injury caused by the protruding exhaust headers. I’ve burnt myself a couple of times on these. I hate to think what would be the result if the heavy bike toppled and trapped the rider under these. I’ve since downsized to a well known Japanese bike and am 100% satisfied.
me2 a triumph fan boy. have one bonnie, a 765 and one tiger. triumph is the most versatile brand which make extraordinary motorcycles. you name it, they have it in their arsenal.
Litre sportsbike?
Came to the local Triumph dealership to check out the T120. Just like a kid in a candy store, I gravitated to the Speed Twin because it has the top performance of the Thruxton with a better riding position for me. All the other Bonneville models for street, have them wimpy forks with oldschool gators that I just wasn't touching. Imho, the Speed Twin looks the best by a wide margin over any other bike in the world right now at this price. It's hard to beat it right now, pound for pound, dollar for dollar. The changes made to the new model to meet euro5 regs and still make more power are amazing! Once you uncork this sucker its gonna haul balls! I've already done soo many mods on mine I've lost track?
Yes they are fabulous machines!
Great review , I’m now looking forward to taking my delivery of the new Breitling version 😍
Ooh nice one - well snapped up!
Nice to see that the new bike has got the mirrors the correct way round ;0)
Hi Andy
I truly belive bikes now are like mobile phones. Many different variants of the same phone/ bike some cheaper some more expensive, once you eventually settle for one it seems out dated with new variants within a couple of years.
I actually prefer the look of yours but seems the subtle changes has made the new bike slightly better
Great review
My Scrambler 1200XC also has the inverted forks and the mud-guards are a styling beef with me too. I understand that with the fork stanchions inverted, the mounts need to incorporate some kind of dirt protection for the exposed inner stanchion of the fork; Triumph just hasn't found a way to make it look good yet. Additionally, I had to change a fork seal a couple of weeks ago with a touch over 20k miles on the bike. The inverted fork stanchions seem to place the part of the fork that's most vulnerable to dirt that could compromise a fork seal right in the path of the dirt. Granted, it's a task that every rider should be able to perform, and only takes an hour or two (depending on individual motivation), but know that you'll need to purchase from Triumph (or fabricate) a fork spring compression tool to do the job with inverted forks. I bought the tool from Triumph ($45 US), and as I'm sure I'll have more fork seals to change over the life of this bike, it's worth every penny. The irony is that the oil seal, fork oil, dust seal and copper sealing washer totaled less than $30.
Yes good point Paul - I hadn't thought of that.....and it's not a job I'd take on personally.....
Upside down forks are stiffer under braking, as when compressed the forks are held by the thicker sliders with the stantions braced inside, whereas right way up forks are still supported by the thin stantions (sp?) when they are compressed.
I really like the look of the USD, merging old and new but then again I have never been a fan of gators. Paint job on 2019 wins hands down tho. Nice to see the side by side and that engine looks and sounds great.
It goes well too!
Drop dead gorgeous, surely the best-looking retro on the market. I just wish it had cruise control - a plague of speed cameras here in Australia make CC very useful. Listening, Triumph?
I wish they put the clocks from the Speed Twin on the 1200 Scramblers--they look so much nicer than the TFT display. Another Triumph fanboy here. Great review!
Yes I agree 100%
..and the Rocket 3
• Best Speed Twin comparison review by a country mile. I'm sticking with my 2019 for sure :)
Thank you for saying so - that said, are there any others??
I was the owner of an original speed twin ... 1949 ... and I must say that I loved my 49 hard tail more than anything made since with the exception of the 59 to 63 models since then it's been downhill all the way ... sorry you didn't get a good one
HAHA you tell em
Thanks for a fun video on a great pair of bikes. (Another benefit of upside-down forks is that the larger, therefore stiffer, end of the forks clamps into the triple clamp.)
(Also glad to see you’ve regained your senses and are showing us proper British bikes, instead of one of those Milwaukee paint shakers. Ahem.)
I’d say you were just the man to make a valid comparison between the two bikes regarding performance, handling & braking etc, you’re going to spot any differences immediately which you did👍. I agree the looks of the previous model are more in keeping with its retro aspirations, but if I was in the market for one of these I’d definitely go for the new bike based on your findings - better brakes, handling etc.
Interesting to note the fuelling has improved on the Euro5 machine, exactly the same as the V Strom (my Euro 4 Strom was a pig around town) but a booster plug and a few other changes calmed that down and the Euro5 version (I felt) was much better right out the box.
Even though I’m not into Triumph twins - I really enjoyed your back to back critique (interesting) nice one Mr Flyer more of these comparisons please!
Cheers Andrew - I'd love to do more of these comparisons but of course it only works for the bikes I own, and as I've already done similar videos for the Street Triple, Panigale and GS I'm running out of options!! GoldWing comparo coming soon mind you.....
Definitely lovely looking and designed motorcycles. Thank you for your review... Now looking forward to your monthly motorcycle news which is always a highlight.
Keep well bye Stuart 😊
Cheers Stuart / stay tuned!
I ended up buying the 22 in red over the Z900RS and really like it so far, I chose the Speed twin mainly because two of my other machines are inline 4 and the other is a boxer. I wanted something different this go around and haven't ridden the RT since :)
Good choice and congratulations!
Having only riden the speed twin on quick test, going on looks alone, I would be going for a 2nd hand 'original', in red, as the new 21 version, as you say 'looks too modern for a retro'.
Have to agree whatching this Re the asthetics, I agree the older one does overall look better. The front fork bracket on the new one is just to big and fussy, great review
Only thing I prefer on the new model are new forks,headlight bracket on new ones looks less engineered,handing bracket for front mudguard,ott,wheels look like one decent pot hole and there shot,and the paintwork looks poor with the shorter logo strip and no coach line.
But unless you see them both side by side you wouldn’t notice,great video as always. 👍🏻
Cheers Barry!
Possiedo esattamente la tua versione 2019, anche nel colore, è assolutamente fantastica e con look vintage coerente al 100% . Ora piuttosto che prendere la nuova versione -con quell'assurdo avantreno che di vintage non ha più nulla- , guarderei a una Duke 890 r !
Really good comparison, especially coming from a first generation owner. I have to agree, I did like the old paint scheme. Just put down a deposit on a red one, the paint quality is really nice and I actually like the new front end. Pick it up end of June...cant wait. Almost took the street scrambler but in a weak moment I took the plunge for the speedy, it just feels right. Keep up the good work Andy, love your work.
Congratulations Julian - you made a great choice!
@@TheMissendenFlyer just an update Andy, picked up the speed twin almost 2 weeks ago....wow, what a ripper! Already have 800km on it, cant seem to keep off it...or stop looking at it in the shed.
I own a 2019 Speed Twin and it has ben one of my favorite bikes to own and ride. I like the improvements on the new Speed twin. Triumph keep the base model but offer an R version with Thruxton suspension or do special orders for this request.
It’s an underrated motorbike.
Regarding the power on the new Speed Twin , the torque peaks at lower RPM compared to the old . Hoping folks swap the new to the old , hoping to pick up a bargain old one , good comparison video , very interesting .
Figures as tested by Motorrad-Magazine:
Max Torque: 114Nm at 3400rpm (old) vs 108Nm at 4300rpm (new)
Max Power: 98hp at 6700rpm (old) vs 100hp at 7200rpm (new)
Acceleration from 0-100km/h: 3,4sec (old) 3,7sec (new)
Acceleration from 60-100km/h in 6th gear: 3,4 sec (old) 3,9sec (new)
Fuel consumption on country lanes: 4,2l/100km (old) 4,6l/100km (new)
Quite different to the figures delivered by Triumph.
At 3000rpm the new engine has about 15Nm less torque than the old one.
@@stefansikora5183 My 2019 Speed twin with cat, Cone slip ons & DNK Tune: 111HP@7219rpm and 125NM@3833rpm (at crank) and 500rpm extra (software unlock)
The slip-ons make no difference. Tune costs 200 dollars and you'll need an android device and an app to upload it.
The Speed Twin has to be the best British retro; it's timeless, and absolutely gorgeous. I've promised myself that one day I'll buy one.
Good plan!
@@TheMissendenFlyer First up, will be a MY2022 Yamaha MT-09 SP. 🙂
Really helpful and informative review - thanks!
My pleasure - thanks for watching....
Definitely prefer yours Andy.If I can source one with low mileage,I'd go for that.My alternative is to wait for the Norton.👌👍👍
May be in for a long wait I fear!
Looks like the ring on the dials on the new version are silver instead of black. Prefer that. Seems like the brackets on the fork are silver instead of black. I prefer the blacked out version of the old model. Miss those fork gaiters as well. The paint scheme of the older version is nicer I agree. Overall I prefer the look of the old one!
I’ve noticed over the years how after market pipes can change the pitch or frequency of vibration that flows threw out a motorbike.
I’m sure lighter internals of the newer bike had a profound difference on vibes that would again change with a throatier aftermarket pipe.
Nice comparison of these two great bikes. I ride a 1200 Scrambler, so I know just how sweet the engine is on these machines. Aesthetically I agree with you on most points, particularly in relation to the tank graphics, which are definitely better on the old bikes. I'm not sorry to see the rubber fork gaiters go though. I'm old enough to remember them on bikes in the 70s and from a styling point of view, I'm quite happy for them to be confined to history... not everything "retro" is necessarily a good thing.
I am a bit sceptical about the yearly updates Triumphs (and not only Triumph) carry out, along with all the special editions. Not withstanding Euro 5 requirements, I can't help feeling that is largely motivated by an effort to get people to trade-in perfectly good bikes for the latest and greatest updated model.
Yes of course it is Gareth - marketeers know people want the latest and "best"....luckily I'm able to hold my nerve and are quite happy having the aging bikes I have (they were the latest and best at one time!)....
Sat on one today... Now considering chopping in the cbr650r for one.. Look and feel superb in person
I always want the new version of the bikes I already have. My 2019 Speed Twin has British Customs exhaust. When the new version came out I wanted it right away. That being said although they are different I have no problem with keeping my original. I like them both. It’s all about me.
Yes no real need to upgrade John, you have a fine motorcyce (but do yourself a favour, don't ride the new one!!!)
Interesting to hear about the fuelling on the new one. I’m thinking about getting a speed twin but think I heard that Euro 5 introduces anti-tamper on the ECU such that you cant put a booster plug on anymore. But if the fuelling is good then suppose that’s not necessary. Just a shame about the lack of exhaust options. Thanks for the review, thorough as always.
You can't booster plug it but you can remap the ECU.
There will be after market pipes for the new one.