I saw another video you did showing off all the black templars , and Im not even upset.. like I love the asthetic of the faction so much and your models are so freakin cool. I am only 3 yrs into the hobby and wargaming stuff so I don't get to play much. I just love to collect and paint mostly, but at some point I hope to have a super sized collection like that looking just so dope to show off !
I bought my old tactical marines into my imperial fists 30k legion. Mk7 did exist during that period during the siege of terra if I can recall correctly (mainly used as test pieces for new yellow formulas but incorporated into the legion anyway for games if I need to bolster points). The dreadnought collection would be cool if they were repainted and displayed as I feel they are iconic to the space marines. Otherwise I do incorporate some first born parts onto my primaris marines (mainly heads and helmets)
... Eons i forgot my artist's uh 'special dust' i do not see how those two dreadnoughts are the same (also i'm tryng to build a Salamanders army as my first army and currently i can say that so far i got only infernus marines 💀)
I remember when a lot of the old kits at the beginning of 10th edition were being removed from the index, there were some people joking about turning their old space marines into chaos space marines. So maybe you could change your old marines into a chaos warband that is vengeful for not being good enough anymore
I think kitbashing some of them to bring them up-to-date is a good idea, but I'd keep a few back, just for sentimental reasons. Always nice to be reminded of where you started out, or some of your favourite models/paint jobs from when you started. I was out of the hobby for several years and don't have any of my models from the early days, which is a real shame. I actually just bought a few classic models to paint, just for nostalgia. They'll never see a game, but that doesn't matter, as they're just for fun.
Love the video, but there is a one thing that has been bugging me for a while. The little kroot doggo on the shelf in front of the Necrons and Oks codecies. Could you spare a couple of hours to paint it up, pleeease?
Hardly worth saying but my original Space Marines (Rogue Trader Space Wolves, mostly RTB01) are just chilling in a box. A testament to GW's evolving lore and design, they started life as Crimson Fists and got wholesale repainted when they got decimated in the lore. Then GW launched their Viking theme for Space Wolves and mark 7 armour and my collection just got boxed, never again to see the battlefield. I only started marines again last year and my primaris are Crimson Fists, except my mixed first founding kill team.
This whole video, as well as your comment, are a massive nostalgia trip for me! I was introduced to 40k by a friend when I was around 9/10 years old, I think it was 1992, so towards the end of 2nd edition, I believe. He had a Black Templar army! Some other friends played Old World Warhammer and had Bretonnians and Skeleton hordes. While learning about the differences I almost settled on a Dwarven army but, upon visiting a Games Workshop store, I found the Space Wolves! I'd originally been drawn to the Crimson Fists, as they were the original poster boys for 40k, but the unique models and names of Russ' Wolves had me sold! I eventually collected a 2-3k point army of Wolves. They now sit proudly in their own display cabinet, simply for the nostalgia! After a 25 year hiatus, I rekindled my love of model collecting/building/painting and now I have a large Primaris force of Dorn's finest...the Crimson Fists, of course!
I think it’s great how attached to the army you are. My advice is not to eBay the old guys. They tell a story of your painting and hobby, and that to me is art.
with the old aircraft you can crash that one and use it for a base or you can do some kit bashing to try to make it look cool but all I know is that a hornet from halo could easily proxy as a Stormtalon Gunship or even a orca from command and conquer
This^ Also after some time has passed, the nostalgia will grow and you may see people looking for OG style space marines. Plus having the extra minis means he can spot a buddy and army, or set up diorama’s with them, etc…
I hate the primaris units and lore so I only use own and paint oldmarines, all you guys getting rid of your oldboys just fits perfectly into my old boyhood dream of having a chapter someday. Plus all of the oldmarines work well in Horus Heresy.@@Michael_MW
Don't purge! Please... On your channel.. a cool thing I'd love to see you explore in the future ... Old-Hammer. Have you thought about curating a 4th/5th (or whatever) era army? Between your Templars and your Orks... you could have a fun side-board 4th/5th "classic" army. I like the new stuff and play, but also see 4th/5th era as perfectly viable with friends, etc.
I am fairly new to the hobby so I don’t have any old models, but if I were you I’d use my old models as extras on vehicles or dead guys on the bases of your other army. That’s just some food for thought, hope this helps and I love your vids keep up the good work ❤
You'll miss them if you get rid of them and regret it I reckon. Just put them in a box and make a collection of heartwarming minis that you can look at from time to time but don't consider in your head to be 'your Templar Army' if you get what I mean.
Love to see how your templars have come along. One suggestion I have for old marines is to kitbash them into a different time period when those armour marks were mostly around such as the badab war or very late Heresy, removing all decorative bits
Thanks for the amazing videos Jay! Your army and its customization is a huge inspiration for my Ultramarines army (my goal is to colect the whole chapter some day but I'll have to become a brain surgeon or something to do that lol) keep up the hard work!
Noooo never get rid of the old space marines, they are timeless, I love them so much I’m starting a brand new first born army, the new models just don’t hit or look as unique
Great collection, awesome enthusiasm and wonderful painting. Personally I've never seen the appeal in displaying a large space marine collection. The silhouette gets very monotone. Tons of medium-sized minis with tanks (boxes) and Dreadnaughts (cool).
Personally I probably like a lot of your old stuff more. Primarily because I despise the new hover vehicles. My 5th wolves are effectively complete, I refuse to add anything primaris to them, so everything I have somehow acquired I put into a new sharks army.
Paint the vanilla marines as some sort of special veteran squad for their years of service and keep them. You will have fun repainting the old models it will bring back a lot of memories.
Oh. I thought you meant "old" terminators. I have many, many metal ones. I just put them and their 25mm base on top of the 40mm and base. It helps make more uniform.
I have a lot of Horus Heresy marines that I run in 40k (casually) I use cork on the bases (thanks for that) to give them some extra height, but mixed squads do still look weird. My short king chaplain is trying so hard.
Jay please use your old dreadnoughts for a diorama and make a video out of it. That way you have recycled it into a display piece, scale wouldn't matter as you wouldn't be running them. (Would be fun to see dreadnoughts taking on a bunch of Roger rogers)
BROOOO! Epic collection!! Truly impressive work you have put into it. As an old Black Templar main I just want to say that our High Marshal would be proud of you, brother. I stopped playing 40k a while back and these days I mostly do AoS and am looking forward to Old World. I wonder how you feel about the "upscaling" of 40k? Personally, I am salty about the introduction of "bigger/cooler looking versions" of all of the popular minis. Now all of us old players who spent an eternity painting our beloved armies have to watch our armies get phased out??? Well, not *entirely* phased out, but who would want to run those runty little space marines when the new ones make them look like a joke? "They are fine, not good- but fine." Yup. Another issue I have with GW's choice here. They made the old minis "meh" and the new ones good to try to force their consumers to re-buy what is essentially the same army. (Why not make new sculpts, but the same size? Why must they always power creep?) Feels *super* scummy to me, but I understand that not everyone sees it that way. Some people defend the upscale. I say to them: Okay maybe it did need to happen, but if in a few years GW starts releasing "bigger/cooler versions" yet again then I believe my take will be vindicated. It feels sad watching you look through all of your beautiful work and consider which minis you can still run without it looking silly. As a loyal fan and consumer, you shouldn't be made to do that. Thanks for another great video Jay. I am a long time fan. :)
I'm still collecting my space marine army 35+ years on from getting my first ones - RTB01 (have two boxes of those). I recently stripped a lot of them from all the random colours I'd painted over the years, so that I could repaint them all as one ENTIRE chapter. I have about 30,000 points! Wouldn't get rid of any of them, even the old janky ones that look silly, so some of them will live in the retirement home at the back of the fleet.
Could use the scraps of what’s left after updating the old Templar as downed brothers who have died at the feet of the new Templar’s like just dead guys on the bases basically
You could build a shelf for the old Marines and remember where it all started for you I know I have some 2013 dark angels and I'm doing the same for them
I am sad you have the vindicator in the "does not exist" pile Its very good unit *and* I would love to see what you do with the big canvas of the siege shield
What I want do with my old Minis is to turn them into terrain pieces like statues and reliefs to mimic some of the most glorius moments I had with them :)
Every time I see your Black Templar collection I am inspired to continue painting my large, unpainted Hive Fleet Kraken Tyranids Army. Thank you for your painting videos 🙏
I definitely get where you are coming from Jay. I started my Ultramarines 15 years ago. As time passed and I gained more skill the army evolved. I now have beautiful box art level primaris marines next to my thicc paint, primerless first born marines. I started stripping and converting my old marines (still first born) into veterans. My first ever warhammer models, a 5 man combat squad are now Sternguard Vets. However in my quest to unify my army I feel like I lost something. If I could do it differently I would have kept some of my old units as there were. Ultimate they were a point in history, a reminder of how far I have come. So maybe keep some of your old units as is. Perhaps in the future you will be glad you did.
I love your collection. Currently working on an Ultramarines Gladius strike force with the layout from 7th edition. Had to change it up because they dropped some half of the list with 10th.
I would take many of those old space marines and make a diorama out of them. A scene, a battle, an escape? Just something that Your Black Templars went through.
Before you consider getting rid of your old models, consider making an awesome battle diorama to preserve them for posterity. I saw a cool one Ninjon? Made that had them going back a few levels in a wall frame setup.
I only have 5 old tactical marines, but they were the first minis I ever bought. They're only half painted blue and yellow but they're near and dear. After that, I have about 1000 points of Necrons from 2004-2006, similarly badly painted and broken in many places, but some of it has been rescued and repainted and has seen games in 9th edition.
I’m glad you said scouts. Those land speeders and the scouts kitbashed together would be great a fast way for you scout squad to get where they need to go
4:12- See, I never liked the OG Terminator miniatures!?! I don’t know……. There was just a insane amount of “miss-sizing” (at least in my opinion it looked like their arms and legs belonged to someone twice their size! And the helmet looked like it “had to be” the head!?! Because if there was supposed to be a head in there, then it is the head of a baby! And not just a baby…… a baby that was below average in size)!?! Which honestly, I felt kinda the same for all old school SM!?! Which is probably why I gravitated straight towards Orks! They were kinda bad also…. But still far better than SM were!!! Anyways, but these new Terminators are pretty awesome!!! I only have 1 units (so far) from my half of that new L box set for 10th! But with how great they look all painted up (and with how my SM army isn’t just 1 Chapter or 1 Legion) I think I’m going to get more!?! How many more? I have no clue!?! But no more than 3 more……. But we’ll see!
damn As someone who is about to buy their first box. I'm just thinking how long must my minis be hella bottom tier! 😭😭 before i can paint something good. I mean from 2015 to 2024?? 9 yeearss hoOoOolyyy I'll have fun I'm sure, but just knowing that they're gonna suck kinda sucks 😂 No matter how many videos I watch i know skill comes with experience and actually doing the thing, finding what works for you nstuff Godamnit
5:06- Where did you get all those candles? Did you print them or buy them as is?!? And if you did print them, on what (the reason why this last question is important is because depending on how good your printer is, that will determine how good mine will look if I also print them!?! Mine as of now is only a 4k! But I think maybe in 2 years if I’m still around, I’ll upgrade!?! But yeah, if you had a worse printer and they look that good…….. then they will look great off of mine! But if you have that new 12k or whatever it is, then mine isn’t going to look as good and I’ll keep looking for other options)?!? Sorry for how long this ended up being…… but I felt like the last question needed to be explained because of those trolls that like to pretend that no one makes any sense!?!
I bought my first models (Dark Angel Combat Patrol) in June of 2023. It is now February of 2024 and I have about 7000 points of Iron Hands (3000 painted) and another 3K of NiB Astra Militarum I have told myself I will not touch till Im done with the Iron Hands. I'm pretty sure I have a problem. Fortunately for me since I am new into the collecting and painting hobby, so I have about 90% all Primaris models which are indeed sexy.
I regret not keeping up with Warhammer, between my sophomore and junior year of high school my brother and I got into Warhammer Fantasy, and I built some Vampire Counts models, that Christmas we got some more models and we even pooled our money together and got a 40K sixth edition starter set but we never even built it. Shortly after we got it I got my first job, then I had a girlfriend and between, work, school, and friends I was just too busy to get back into it but it always sat at the back of my mind. Then recently I took almost a whole month off work and because I now live near a designated Warhammer store I decided to jump into it. Next time I’m home I’ll probably grab my old warhammer stuff from my brother.
I picked up primaris intercessors and assault intercessors to play Kill Team with, and I've been slowly collecting Firstborn vehicles as well, thinking maybe someday I'll have 1k points to play big 40k with. Got a lil' dreadnought and a Land Speeder which I think I'll proxy as an ATV, which can pair with a bike squad I'd proxy as Outriders. And I got some MKVI bodies to help finish off the intercessor sprue and sort of bridge the gap between the Primaris and Firstborn units.
I've been building my "Iron Templars" (black templars iconography in grey knight colors) since 3rd edition, and I'm just ... tired. Tired of silver and gold. I have a Nid army (brown), and necrons, but just tired of metallics. Gearing up to do Crimson Fists with all contrast colors. Boys n blue!
hahaha primaris bad... I still feel like that. And at the same time i really like the models, they are great. I just don't like how they by rules and lore (mostly rules) tried to "force" us to buy primaris. Love they u-turn with the removal of the Primaris keyword with 10th edition. Now Space marines are just space marines, no matter if they are old 28mm scale or new "32mm" primaris. Seeing that you have made the "switch" to Primaris i uderstand why you dont want to use your old (inkluding 2nd ed marines). My space wolves, my first 40k love way back in 1994, are all firstborn except that i have Ragnars new Primaris model, i just had to. And its a labor of love, some 300+ marines collected and painted over 30 years, mostly from the "last" sculpts but also some 50 old metal marines from 2nd edition. They will forever be "firstborn". I do have primaris marines, but non have been built and painted yet. I they will become some random custom chapter down the line, when i find time to assemble and paint them, they will never be space wolves though. =)
Funny thing is that when i started warhammer 40k (modelpainting) back in 2019, i bought ''know no fear'' DG vs SM, painted those, then because i love Dawn of war, then i bought Start collecting spacemarines (tactaical spacemarines) Soo my tactiacal marines looks way better than what my intercessors do lmao.
if i may suggest a few models that you may (or may not) wish to add to your army a thunder hawk gun ship (im a fan of helsreach). squad grimaldus - Grimaldus, Artarion, Cador, Primus, Bastalan, Nerovar. honestly i would love to see this percific squad from the hels reach crusade. possibly predator tanks (though im not sure if the templars would use them)
I have over 5200 points of Dark Angels so far. I'm halfway through building my World Eaters army along with a combat patrol of imperial guard and just now started on building my Tau army starting with Farsight.
All of my BT is old school. For me, it's not so much the "grr primaris" thing, but rather the fact that I've been collecting since 2nd edition and I'm not willing to let GW outdate the products that I've invested literally thousands of dollars into. For those that aren't as invested for as long, then I can see why integrating primaris models and the new primaris-specific vehicles isn't as much of a problem. For me, my BT will stay old school. If I ever decide to buy the new line of "super duper" marines, they will be painted as a different chapter. (Lucerne was justified, LOL) So I'm kind of double jaded. I think I'll focus on new armies like the Votann, Death Guard, and Khorne.
Old Models.... DIsplay only if they are done, and based. if in peices i try to break them up and kitbash. I over bought EBAY Leviathan Boxes so I may take my 40 Infernus Marines (can only take 3 x 10 Man Units) I may paint some a diff chapter for a Challenge
I'd say either keep them or sell them, NEVER destroy old models: As for keeping them you never know when you'd need a bunch of old marines for a Badab War or 3rd War for Armageddon game/campaign or any thing that is pre-great rift era, there's a whole timeline that GW seems to forget when it comes to 40K that now can't be played because they keep delisting models and rules. As for selling them, somebody will want those models either for the listed above reason or maybe the prestige of having models painted by the legendary Jay from Eons of Battle. And you can use the money from the sales to buy more models!
I just got into warhammer, i went with Black Templars because, Black Templars. So all i have is the Primaris Size. I've been painted D&D minis since the 90s. im really enjoying the new size and lore. Now that im older and can afford warhammer 😆 im finding so much enjoyment in painting again. Anyways, i enjoy your channel while i build and paint.
For me, I sold off most of my old stuff of that I've acquired on eBay. I love the new aesthetic too. They just look so good. I am with my Dark Angels the way you are with your black Templars. I've only been into the hobby for a couple of years so I haven't been able to build much, but I'm building everything else before my Dark Angels because I want them to be flawless
It was such a liberating feeling to figure out that there is little chance I'll ever play an "official" match anywhere so I can do what I want with my models. I only ever play Path To Glory matches against myself, but it has been fun making a bunch of 600 point armies to go against each other.
@@11AleZZ It is the narrative play option for Age of Sigmar. You can start with 600 point armies and build them up over matches to be full. It's really good for using models you wouldn't in matched play.
You glossed over the most important point for everyone at the 8:55 mark. Unless you're a tournament player the rules mean nothing. Play with your models! Proxy them! Use old ones and say they're Primaris. The GW police won't break down your door and arrest you! (Again, tournament and GW stores are exceptions. The cops there are ruthless and will make you eat non-supported models and proxies...)
Eyyo my family and I came up with a solution to this problem back in 9th edition. All the sexy new Primaris models made the old models look poopy but we kind of enjoyed the later editions “gameplay-wise” better, so we made and house rule to only use Primaris with when we play editions 8 9 & 10, and the older models for games of 4 5 6 & 7. There’s no rules saying you have to play what’s modern if you liked what came before better. So every once in a while we play games with either all Primaris in new editions or old squatty marines in newer ones.
How's the Drukhari army coming along that you promised you will finish by the end of the year? January's already done so 1/12th of the army is done, right? Right? 😜
Dioramas! You're a painter, you're an artist! Take those old models that have been retired from gameplay and refurbish them into standalone visual art pieces. You can say "Over here is my Black Templar Army" and over here " are my battle scenes and dioramas inspired by old school 40k artwork and gameplay memories." I'm sure some of those models have some amazing gameplay moments from their heyday that you've always associated them with. How cool would it be to immortalize the time that one dreadnaught took down the enemy commander by refurbishing it into an action diorama!
Along time ago i was buying darkangles upgrade for $20, it came with 6 robed bodies. I used them for my black templars. I cut them at the hips, greenstufffed them to be bigger and strung chains around the green stuff. this made them a little taller. I then used extra bits from primas line and I mix them into my squads as robed units. they are a little smaller as i miss judged the green stuff. But, im updating as many old things as i can. I also have ALOT!!!! of dark vengeance terminators i kit bashed and use as black templars aswell. once you remove some dark angle icons they look really cool.
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i like the old scouts
if your looking to sell old stuff id be intrested, i colect and use old space marines.
Diorama with Nick's blue Orks recreating John Blanche's Black Templar art work.
This is the one
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Great idea
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I’ve became a fan of yours recently. And I’ll be going to adepticon for the first time this year. Hoping I’ll bump into you.
I saw another video you did showing off all the black templars , and Im not even upset.. like I love the asthetic of the faction so much and your models are so freakin cool. I am only 3 yrs into the hobby and wargaming stuff so I don't get to play much. I just love to collect and paint mostly, but at some point I hope to have a super sized collection like that looking just so dope to show off !
I bought my old tactical marines into my imperial fists 30k legion. Mk7 did exist during that period during the siege of terra if I can recall correctly (mainly used as test pieces for new yellow formulas but incorporated into the legion anyway for games if I need to bolster points).
The dreadnought collection would be cool if they were repainted and displayed as I feel they are iconic to the space marines.
Otherwise I do incorporate some first born parts onto my primaris marines (mainly heads and helmets)
Yay! The Templar March!
Convert those Rhino's to the Death Guard?? HERESY!
Just made my day brother.
I have made my old marines into the first honor guard. They shall protect the chapters Ideals and inspire the new troops.
I have a single squad of tactical marines and I started in tenth. I just like the bird bois.
... Eons i forgot my artist's uh 'special dust' i do not see how those two dreadnoughts are the same (also i'm tryng to build a Salamanders army as my first army and currently i can say that so far i got only infernus marines 💀)
I also love Centurions
Have you ever had a game with your full Black templar army?
I remember when a lot of the old kits at the beginning of 10th edition were being removed from the index, there were some people joking about turning their old space marines into chaos space marines. So maybe you could change your old marines into a chaos warband that is vengeful for not being good enough anymore
I think kitbashing some of them to bring them up-to-date is a good idea, but I'd keep a few back, just for sentimental reasons. Always nice to be reminded of where you started out, or some of your favourite models/paint jobs from when you started. I was out of the hobby for several years and don't have any of my models from the early days, which is a real shame. I actually just bought a few classic models to paint, just for nostalgia. They'll never see a game, but that doesn't matter, as they're just for fun.
Love the video, but there is a one thing that has been bugging me for a while. The little kroot doggo on the shelf in front of the Necrons and Oks codecies. Could you spare a couple of hours to paint it up, pleeease?
Jay you have to run the old dreadnaughts! You cannot let the ancients be forgotten! Their whole sthick is that they look old and out-of-place.
Hardly worth saying but my original Space Marines (Rogue Trader Space Wolves, mostly RTB01) are just chilling in a box. A testament to GW's evolving lore and design, they started life as Crimson Fists and got wholesale repainted when they got decimated in the lore. Then GW launched their Viking theme for Space Wolves and mark 7 armour and my collection just got boxed, never again to see the battlefield. I only started marines again last year and my primaris are Crimson Fists, except my mixed first founding kill team.
This whole video, as well as your comment, are a massive nostalgia trip for me!
I was introduced to 40k by a friend when I was around 9/10 years old, I think it was 1992, so towards the end of 2nd edition, I believe. He had a Black Templar army! Some other friends played Old World Warhammer and had Bretonnians and Skeleton hordes. While learning about the differences I almost settled on a Dwarven army but, upon visiting a Games Workshop store, I found the Space Wolves! I'd originally been drawn to the Crimson Fists, as they were the original poster boys for 40k, but the unique models and names of Russ' Wolves had me sold! I eventually collected a 2-3k point army of Wolves. They now sit proudly in their own display cabinet, simply for the nostalgia!
After a 25 year hiatus, I rekindled my love of model collecting/building/painting and now I have a large Primaris force of Dorn's finest...the Crimson Fists, of course!
I think it’s great how attached to the army you are. My advice is not to eBay the old guys. They tell a story of your painting and hobby, and that to me is art.
with the old aircraft you can crash that one and use it for a base or you can do some kit bashing to try to make it look cool but all I know is that a hornet from halo could easily proxy as a Stormtalon Gunship or even a orca from command and conquer
Should hold on to em for sentimental value
This^
Also after some time has passed, the nostalgia will grow and you may see people looking for OG style space marines.
Plus having the extra minis means he can spot a buddy and army, or set up diorama’s with them, etc…
I hate the primaris units and lore so I only use own and paint oldmarines, all you guys getting rid of your oldboys just fits perfectly into my old boyhood dream of having a chapter someday. Plus all of the oldmarines work well in Horus Heresy.@@Michael_MW
Don't purge! Please...
On your channel.. a cool thing I'd love to see you explore in the future ... Old-Hammer. Have you thought about curating a 4th/5th (or whatever) era army? Between your Templars and your Orks... you could have a fun side-board 4th/5th "classic" army. I like the new stuff and play, but also see 4th/5th era as perfectly viable with friends, etc.
Tier three, I still love you even if Jay doesn't.
I am fairly new to the hobby so I don’t have any old models, but if I were you I’d use my old models as extras on vehicles or dead guys on the bases of your other army. That’s just some food for thought, hope this helps and I love your vids keep up the good work ❤
You'll miss them if you get rid of them and regret it I reckon. Just put them in a box and make a collection of heartwarming minis that you can look at from time to time but don't consider in your head to be 'your Templar Army' if you get what I mean.
Love to see how your templars have come along. One suggestion I have for old marines is to kitbash them into a different time period when those armour marks were mostly around such as the badab war or very late Heresy, removing all decorative bits
Don´t kill your history. Do not crack and convert them - they deserve their place in your collection for what they are. Your old trusty guys.
I like how Jay also knows that Rhinos are basically free
Is that a poor hammer reference?!
no one buys Rhinos
even GW gives them away (not for free ... obviously, but they love shoving them into boxes)
Thanks for the amazing videos Jay! Your army and its customization is a huge inspiration for my Ultramarines army (my goal is to colect the whole chapter some day but I'll have to become a brain surgeon or something to do that lol) keep up the hard work!
I "pain"tad my first, so fun but so many mistakes #pain
Oh fuck, I didn't realize that the Redemptor was so huge compared to the venerable.
At this point you must have enough old stuff to create a mini (heh) museum for yourself somewhere in your house 😂
I think you should always keep every model you painted up, it's a part of your history and shows growth.
One think in the third tier that is 100% usable is the Vindicator. Those tanks put in crazy work
Noooo never get rid of the old space marines, they are timeless, I love them so much I’m starting a brand new first born army, the new models just don’t hit or look as unique
Great collection, awesome enthusiasm and wonderful painting. Personally I've never seen the appeal in displaying a large space marine collection. The silhouette gets very monotone. Tons of medium-sized minis with tanks (boxes) and Dreadnaughts (cool).
Personally I probably like a lot of your old stuff more. Primarily because I despise the new hover vehicles.
My 5th wolves are effectively complete, I refuse to add anything primaris to them, so everything I have somehow acquired I put into a new sharks army.
Paint the vanilla marines as some sort of special veteran squad for their years of service and keep them. You will have fun repainting the old models it will bring back a lot of memories.
Oh. I thought you meant "old" terminators. I have many, many metal ones. I just put them and their 25mm base on top of the 40mm and base. It helps make more uniform.
I have a lot of Horus Heresy marines that I run in 40k (casually) I use cork on the bases (thanks for that) to give them some extra height, but mixed squads do still look weird. My short king chaplain is trying so hard.
Jay please use your old dreadnoughts for a diorama and make a video out of it. That way you have recycled it into a display piece, scale wouldn't matter as you wouldn't be running them. (Would be fun to see dreadnoughts taking on a bunch of Roger rogers)
@1:26 Those are some handsome looking terminators front and center!! Great job with your collection. #I'll buy your first models!!
BROOOO! Epic collection!! Truly impressive work you have put into it. As an old Black Templar main I just want to say that our High Marshal would be proud of you, brother. I stopped playing 40k a while back and these days I mostly do AoS and am looking forward to Old World.
I wonder how you feel about the "upscaling" of 40k? Personally, I am salty about the introduction of "bigger/cooler looking versions" of all of the popular minis. Now all of us old players who spent an eternity painting our beloved armies have to watch our armies get phased out??? Well, not *entirely* phased out, but who would want to run those runty little space marines when the new ones make them look like a joke?
"They are fine, not good- but fine." Yup. Another issue I have with GW's choice here. They made the old minis "meh" and the new ones good to try to force their consumers to re-buy what is essentially the same army. (Why not make new sculpts, but the same size? Why must they always power creep?) Feels *super* scummy to me, but I understand that not everyone sees it that way. Some people defend the upscale. I say to them: Okay maybe it did need to happen, but if in a few years GW starts releasing "bigger/cooler versions" yet again then I believe my take will be vindicated.
It feels sad watching you look through all of your beautiful work and consider which minis you can still run without it looking silly. As a loyal fan and consumer, you shouldn't be made to do that. Thanks for another great video Jay. I am a long time fan. :)
I'm playing on making my old space marines (dark angels) into a chaos army under Cypher. The demons will be angelic host sort of stuff.
Love your enthusiasm man! I just kit bashed my first couple models yesterday. It was so much fun! Very proud of the customizations.
I'm still collecting my space marine army 35+ years on from getting my first ones - RTB01 (have two boxes of those). I recently stripped a lot of them from all the random colours I'd painted over the years, so that I could repaint them all as one ENTIRE chapter. I have about 30,000 points! Wouldn't get rid of any of them, even the old janky ones that look silly, so some of them will live in the retirement home at the back of the fleet.
Jay, do a collab with Minisodes. I believe he is the premiere Oldhammer 40K channel on YT. Battlereports, love for the derpmarines and all that.
Could use the scraps of what’s left after updating the old Templar as downed brothers who have died at the feet of the new Templar’s like just dead guys on the bases basically
You could build a shelf for the old Marines and remember where it all started for you I know I have some 2013 dark angels and I'm doing the same for them
I am sad you have the vindicator in the "does not exist" pile
Its very good unit *and* I would love to see what you do with the big canvas of the siege shield
Powerfists on those old terminators look awesome
I have 15 space wolf dreadnoughts , 10th edition made me cry a little
What I want do with my old Minis is to turn them into terrain pieces like statues and reliefs to mimic some of the most glorius moments I had with them :)
You should do a review of hoard mode from the poor hammer podcast. You have the perfect collection for it.
As soon as I found out about Centurion Warsuits, I had to print 2 units of them and get them in the table
I kind of like your old scouts and I'm sure flyers will be good again one day (or they will be museum pieces because removed from game entirely).
Old dreadnoughts can be sent to the greenstuff factory and become helbrutes for your nurgle
I picked up cheap Rhinos for my Death Guard. To Nurgle them up I used miliput for flesh around googily eyes for pustules
Every time I see your Black Templar collection I am inspired to continue painting my large, unpainted Hive Fleet Kraken Tyranids Army. Thank you for your painting videos 🙏
use the old templar as victims on the bases of your other armies
I hope your conversion to update the Rhinos into your Deathguard works out well, sounds awesome!
I also use my Dorito dread as a ballistus! It just makes sense.
I definitely get where you are coming from Jay. I started my Ultramarines 15 years ago. As time passed and I gained more skill the army evolved. I now have beautiful box art level primaris marines next to my thicc paint, primerless first born marines.
I started stripping and converting my old marines (still first born) into veterans. My first ever warhammer models, a 5 man combat squad are now Sternguard Vets.
However in my quest to unify my army I feel like I lost something. If I could do it differently I would have kept some of my old units as there were. Ultimate they were a point in history, a reminder of how far I have come. So maybe keep some of your old units as is. Perhaps in the future you will be glad you did.
Every couple months we get to see a collection tour and it's double the size as last time
Turn the old marines into corpse piles, that would be some cool terrain!
What did i do with my old Space Marines?....i packed them into nice foam cases...and never look at them again
Maybe using some old models as statues in a diorama would be fitting as a "Hall of Heros"
I love your collection. Currently working on an Ultramarines Gladius strike force with the layout from 7th edition. Had to change it up because they dropped some half of the list with 10th.
I would take many of those old space marines and make a diorama out of them. A scene, a battle, an escape? Just something that Your Black Templars went through.
Alotz of Zelotgitzes to krump!😘
These video are my favorite, your army showcase.
Every Monday I watch your videos when I'm at the metro and they unironically make me smile ❤
Before you consider getting rid of your old models, consider making an awesome battle diorama to preserve them for posterity. I saw a cool one Ninjon? Made that had them going back a few levels in a wall frame setup.
putting them in a last battle inside of a epic diorama to have them crusade forever in said battle would be an epic idea
I only have 5 old tactical marines, but they were the first minis I ever bought. They're only half painted blue and yellow but they're near and dear.
After that, I have about 1000 points of Necrons from 2004-2006, similarly badly painted and broken in many places, but some of it has been rescued and repainted and has seen games in 9th edition.
“Here’s my black Templar army” shows GREY space marines lmao, idk what those are my guy but they aren’t black templars
I’m glad you said scouts. Those land speeders and the scouts kitbashed together would be great a fast way for you scout squad to get where they need to go
4:12- See, I never liked the OG Terminator miniatures!?! I don’t know……. There was just a insane amount of “miss-sizing” (at least in my opinion it looked like their arms and legs belonged to someone twice their size! And the helmet looked like it “had to be” the head!?! Because if there was supposed to be a head in there, then it is the head of a baby! And not just a baby…… a baby that was below average in size)!?! Which honestly, I felt kinda the same for all old school SM!?! Which is probably why I gravitated straight towards Orks! They were kinda bad also…. But still far better than SM were!!! Anyways, but these new Terminators are pretty awesome!!! I only have 1 units (so far) from my half of that new L box set for 10th! But with how great they look all painted up (and with how my SM army isn’t just 1 Chapter or 1 Legion) I think I’m going to get more!?! How many more? I have no clue!?! But no more than 3 more……. But we’ll see!
Oingo Boingo absolutely slaps
damn As someone who is about to buy their first box. I'm just thinking how long must my minis be hella bottom tier! 😭😭 before i can paint something good. I mean from 2015 to 2024?? 9 yeearss hoOoOolyyy
I'll have fun I'm sure, but just knowing that they're gonna suck kinda sucks 😂 No matter how many videos I watch i know skill comes with experience and actually doing the thing, finding what works for you nstuff Godamnit
5:06- Where did you get all those candles? Did you print them or buy them as is?!? And if you did print them, on what (the reason why this last question is important is because depending on how good your printer is, that will determine how good mine will look if I also print them!?! Mine as of now is only a 4k! But I think maybe in 2 years if I’m still around, I’ll upgrade!?! But yeah, if you had a worse printer and they look that good…….. then they will look great off of mine! But if you have that new 12k or whatever it is, then mine isn’t going to look as good and I’ll keep looking for other options)?!? Sorry for how long this ended up being…… but I felt like the last question needed to be explained because of those trolls that like to pretend that no one makes any sense!?!
I bought my first models (Dark Angel Combat Patrol) in June of 2023. It is now February of 2024 and I have about 7000 points of Iron Hands (3000 painted) and another 3K of NiB Astra Militarum I have told myself I will not touch till Im done with the Iron Hands. I'm pretty sure I have a problem. Fortunately for me since I am new into the collecting and painting hobby, so I have about 90% all Primaris models which are indeed sexy.
I regret not keeping up with Warhammer, between my sophomore and junior year of high school my brother and I got into Warhammer Fantasy, and I built some Vampire Counts models, that Christmas we got some more models and we even pooled our money together and got a 40K sixth edition starter set but we never even built it. Shortly after we got it I got my first job, then I had a girlfriend and between, work, school, and friends I was just too busy to get back into it but it always sat at the back of my mind. Then recently I took almost a whole month off work and because I now live near a designated Warhammer store I decided to jump into it.
Next time I’m home I’ll probably grab my old warhammer stuff from my brother.
I picked up primaris intercessors and assault intercessors to play Kill Team with, and I've been slowly collecting Firstborn vehicles as well, thinking maybe someday I'll have 1k points to play big 40k with. Got a lil' dreadnought and a Land Speeder which I think I'll proxy as an ATV, which can pair with a bike squad I'd proxy as Outriders. And I got some MKVI bodies to help finish off the intercessor sprue and sort of bridge the gap between the Primaris and Firstborn units.
I've been building my "Iron Templars" (black templars iconography in grey knight colors) since 3rd edition, and I'm just ... tired. Tired of silver and gold. I have a Nid army (brown), and necrons, but just tired of metallics. Gearing up to do Crimson Fists with all contrast colors. Boys n blue!
hahaha primaris bad... I still feel like that. And at the same time i really like the models, they are great. I just don't like how they by rules and lore (mostly rules) tried to "force" us to buy primaris. Love they u-turn with the removal of the Primaris keyword with 10th edition. Now Space marines are just space marines, no matter if they are old 28mm scale or new "32mm" primaris.
Seeing that you have made the "switch" to Primaris i uderstand why you dont want to use your old (inkluding 2nd ed marines). My space wolves, my first 40k love way back in 1994, are all firstborn except that i have Ragnars new Primaris model, i just had to. And its a labor of love, some 300+ marines collected and painted over 30 years, mostly from the "last" sculpts but also some 50 old metal marines from 2nd edition. They will forever be "firstborn". I do have primaris marines, but non have been built and painted yet. I they will become some random custom chapter down the line, when i find time to assemble and paint them, they will never be space wolves though. =)
Funny thing is that when i started warhammer 40k (modelpainting) back in 2019, i bought ''know no fear'' DG vs SM, painted those, then because i love Dawn of war, then i bought Start collecting spacemarines (tactaical spacemarines) Soo my tactiacal marines looks way better than what my intercessors do lmao.
if i may suggest a few models that you may (or may not) wish to add to your army a thunder hawk gun ship (im a fan of helsreach). squad grimaldus - Grimaldus, Artarion, Cador, Primus, Bastalan, Nerovar. honestly i would love to see this percific squad from the hels reach crusade. possibly predator tanks (though im not sure if the templars would use them)
I have over 5200 points of Dark Angels so far. I'm halfway through building my World Eaters army along with a combat patrol of imperial guard and just now started on building my Tau army starting with Farsight.
All of my BT is old school. For me, it's not so much the "grr primaris" thing, but rather the fact that I've been collecting since 2nd edition and I'm not willing to let GW outdate the products that I've invested literally thousands of dollars into. For those that aren't as invested for as long, then I can see why integrating primaris models and the new primaris-specific vehicles isn't as much of a problem.
For me, my BT will stay old school. If I ever decide to buy the new line of "super duper" marines, they will be painted as a different chapter. (Lucerne was justified, LOL)
So I'm kind of double jaded. I think I'll focus on new armies like the Votann, Death Guard, and Khorne.
Old Models.... DIsplay only if they are done, and based. if in peices i try to break them up and kitbash. I over bought EBAY Leviathan Boxes so I may take my 40 Infernus Marines (can only take 3 x 10 Man Units) I may paint some a diff chapter for a Challenge
I'd say either keep them or sell them, NEVER destroy old models:
As for keeping them you never know when you'd need a bunch of old marines for a Badab War or 3rd War for Armageddon game/campaign or any thing that is pre-great rift era, there's a whole timeline that GW seems to forget when it comes to 40K that now can't be played because they keep delisting models and rules.
As for selling them, somebody will want those models either for the listed above reason or maybe the prestige of having models painted by the legendary Jay from Eons of Battle. And you can use the money from the sales to buy more models!
I just got into warhammer, i went with Black Templars because, Black Templars. So all i have is the Primaris Size. I've been painted D&D minis since the 90s. im really enjoying the new size and lore. Now that im older and can afford warhammer 😆 im finding so much enjoyment in painting again. Anyways, i enjoy your channel while i build and paint.
For me, I sold off most of my old stuff of that I've acquired on eBay. I love the new aesthetic too. They just look so good. I am with my Dark Angels the way you are with your black Templars. I've only been into the hobby for a couple of years so I haven't been able to build much, but I'm building everything else before my Dark Angels because I want them to be flawless
It was such a liberating feeling to figure out that there is little chance I'll ever play an "official" match anywhere so I can do what I want with my models. I only ever play Path To Glory matches against myself, but it has been fun making a bunch of 600 point armies to go against each other.
What's Path to Glory??
@@11AleZZ It is the narrative play option for Age of Sigmar. You can start with 600 point armies and build them up over matches to be full. It's really good for using models you wouldn't in matched play.
You glossed over the most important point for everyone at the 8:55 mark. Unless you're a tournament player the rules mean nothing. Play with your models! Proxy them! Use old ones and say they're Primaris. The GW police won't break down your door and arrest you! (Again, tournament and GW stores are exceptions. The cops there are ruthless and will make you eat non-supported models and proxies...)
Eyyo my family and I came up with a solution to this problem back in 9th edition. All the sexy new Primaris models made the old models look poopy but we kind of enjoyed the later editions “gameplay-wise” better, so we made and house rule to only use Primaris with when we play editions 8 9 & 10, and the older models for games of 4 5 6 & 7. There’s no rules saying you have to play what’s modern if you liked what came before better. So every once in a while we play games with either all Primaris in new editions or old squatty marines in newer ones.
How's the Drukhari army coming along that you promised you will finish by the end of the year? January's already done so 1/12th of the army is done, right? Right? 😜
Dioramas! You're a painter, you're an artist! Take those old models that have been retired from gameplay and refurbish them into standalone visual art pieces. You can say "Over here is my Black Templar Army" and over here " are my battle scenes and dioramas inspired by old school 40k artwork and gameplay memories." I'm sure some of those models have some amazing gameplay moments from their heyday that you've always associated them with. How cool would it be to immortalize the time that one dreadnaught took down the enemy commander by refurbishing it into an action diorama!
Along time ago i was buying darkangles upgrade for $20, it came with 6 robed bodies. I used them for my black templars. I cut them at the hips, greenstufffed them to be bigger and strung chains around the green stuff. this made them a little taller. I then used extra bits from primas line and I mix them into my squads as robed units. they are a little smaller as i miss judged the green stuff. But, im updating as many old things as i can. I also have ALOT!!!! of dark vengeance terminators i kit bashed and use as black templars aswell. once you remove some dark angle icons they look really cool.