4 Brass Sample Libraries COMPARED! (CineBrass, Cinematic Studio Brass, Berlin Brass, JXL Brass)
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Hi everyone! For today's video, let's have some fun and compare 4 cinematic brass sample libraries. Please enjoy!
Timestamps:
1:13 CineBrass
6:55 Cinematic Studio Brass
12:50 Berlin Brass
19:38 JXL Brass
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Hi everyone, thank you so much for watching this video comparison. Please note that while I compared 3 horn sections from each library, I stuck to the smaller ensemble sizes, as each library contains those.
I will do another video showing the larger sections of some of these libraries to demonstrate their potential. Thanks again!
690 GB for JXL Brass lord have mercy!
you just have to download 300 though
@Anton Corazza any loan available? 😂
For me it's Cinematic Studio Brass. Such a versatile library and is so epic in dynamics, plus legatos are amazing as well. It's a toss up between that and Cinebrass. The thing though with cinebrass is the legatos at the highest dynamic sounds weird and hesitant, not a problem with CSB.
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You’re so welcome. Thanks for the kind words!
Yes!!! Finally!! some library comparison!!! The reason why I sub'ed to this channel :)
Thanks for the video, very informative! It must've been challenging to match all of their levels since they sound so different with room sounds and mic positions.
Thanks Josh! It was definitely fun haha.
Thanks Chris ... Good to hear them side by side
Thanks Joe!
Woooow, the legato of CineBrass is fantastic! Love the options for speed and intensity!
Indeed!!
I actually have goosebumps.. I want them all!!!!
Well done Christopher!
Thanks Christopher. Again a very informative video with useful information. Most of us just need to rely on the 'honest blue eyes' of the manufacturers of libraries while their demo's are optimized by professionals, which is logical of course. A 'cold comparison' gives an honest impression of the basic color of the library, which is very useful. Thanks for your time and energy ;-)
Thanks for watching Ed! Glad you enjoyed it :)
Nice comparison. Thanks!
Thank you, this helped me make my decision. Berlin sounds absolutely amazing. Cinematic is a close 2nd for me and perhaps better for some applications, and just wow they are doing amazing work on all their libraries so far.
Glad it was helpful!
"...and TA-DAY!" XD
Oh man that reminds me of DJ XD
Yeah...!!! Christopher you did it....Fantastic Comparison, Thank you
Thanks for watching!
thanks for this review!
My pleasure!
Love the cinebrass library more than anything..
Thanks for the comparison Chris! I prefer the tone of Cinesamples Brass and CSB. The Berlin brass recordings sound dated to me, even though it's not an old library. Junkie XL Brass sounds thin and synthy to me, which I'm not a fan of. But, they all have their purposes and everyone has their own music and tastes, so it's nice to hear examples like this :-)
Thanks for watching! I’ll be doing a dedicated video on JXL in a couple weeks, so stay tuned for that. I’ll try to take a more comprehensive look at it.
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Nice one Chris! Just got my hands on the solo trumpet and solo trombone from JXL Brass. I think you’ll have a lot of fun with it! From person preference do you prefer the velocity sensitive shorts or modwheel shorts from Cinebrass? In-depth and insightful. Great walkthrough! 🎺
Thanks Jack! It does sound nice. I personally like the concept of velocity-based shorts for volume, but I also appreciate how Cinesamples fit multiple lengths of shorts within 1 patch and used the modwheel to control their volumes. The velocity approach is more intuitive imo, but you would just need more patches or a multi patch with key switches in that case.
Hey Christopher, love your channel. What you go for out of Cinesamples Brass core or pro For scoring film music ?
Thanks Simon! I turn to Core first, as the music I write is more traditional and symphonic in nature. For more beefy work or exposed solos, I use Pro next.
They all sound good. The cinebrass is clearly a different sound from all the others, definitely more on the cartoony side in my opinion. That is a good thing though, It makes it stand out in that niche. Thanks for all the samples really helped me decide my next brass plugin.
You're welcome!
In Cinesamples, do you have to use the "velocity-based articulation switching" or can you turn that off? I find that this might take some getting used to as it is unique to this library....
Hi Alain, you can map it to whatever suits your workflow. Keyswitches, inverse velocities, etc. :)
I currently have CSS and CineBrass and I really love both libraries on their own, but I personally have a hard time making them work together, and that's probably just cuz I'm not great at mixing. How do you combine the dark studio of CSS with the bright scoring stage of CB and make them work better together?
Nice
Thank you! This is very helpful to me. Is Cinematic Studio still darker than Cinesamples even with the just the closest mic position? If so, do you think the difference is from the number of instruments, the room they used, post-processing by Cinesamples or something else?
Hi Alec! Yes, the closeness of the mic affects the detail of the sound the most, rather than the actual tone of the instrument. I think it’s mainly the microphones, mixing, and room recorded in that affects the final sound.
I'm curious if you've used Aaron Venture Infinite Brass and what you think of it compared to these libraries.
Me too, especially as it is currently on sale. I really want to see a comparison between the brass instruments sounds from Sample Modeling, SWAM Modeling and Aaron Venture, as they are all advanced modeling libraries. Also curious how much harder or easier they are to program. The SWAM stuff especially is quite expensive for non-students though.
I haven’t, no. A few I haven’t used are Hollywood Brass, Infinite Brass, Adventure/Trailer Brass, Century Brass, and any Spitfire brass, among others.
I'd rather just move up to Berlin or JXL brass for the price rather than Spitfire. CSB is my current go to but I want another to compliment it. The current Cinebrass and Infinite brass sales are tempting, though I'm not a fan of the Cinesamples GUI and it's age makes me a little reticent to jump in
Did you happen to compare this to Telos, and have an opinion on it?
For me, Cinebrass wins the competition. It has that "Hollywood Bombastic" style of sound that fits film score style tracks but can be cranked to 11 to work with trailer music tracks.
Thanks for taking the time to post this comparison, I've been wanting to upgrade from Hollywood Brass.
Sure thing Ben!
That library offers legato for the 12 horns and the solo instruments only , which is pretty stupid, you can't even play sustain
@@OAmeen Are you talking about Hollywood Brass or CB? Both offer legato for most instruments, I'm not sure what you're talking about
@@TalmoTheSell I'm talking about CineBrass
@@OAmeen You're probably thinking CineBrass Pro as what you said is true, but for Core all of them have legato except for the Tuba/Cimbasso + Bass Trombone patches
infinite brass seems interesting also.
Definitely!
woaah that Cinematic Studio brass sound soo bright 8:00
Huge right?
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Hey Chris, I appreciate the comparison, though I do think viewers need to pay attention to your caveat that your preferences are related to your style of music which is the more classical Hollywood style. This is going to present CineBrass, Berlin Brass, and Cinematic Studio Brass in the best light. But you weren't able to show JunkieXL's 12 Trombone, 6 Horn, and 12 Horn sections, as well as the killer Bass Trombone and Cimbassi sections. JunkieXL has so much epic power in those sections that the other ones can't do. Yet it still holds it's own at all the lower dynamics too, which is why I think JunkieXL Brass is the best all around library.
Not to discount your great comparison at all, you did a great job and made sure to mention that these are your preferences, I just think people listening should know about some the other large sections that didn't make it into this comparison.
Hi David, yes great point. I might actually do a video solely on the larger sections that these libraries offer, and create a little midi melody to go along with them. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts!
On the contrary, I think he did well :-)
He compared few parts of like for like (is this the way to say it?) from 4 libraries, that way letting ppl hear how each libs core tone/recording/scripting compares one to another.
Personally? I would even preferred if Chris compared them per articulation, legato for legato, staccato for staccato... cause humans hearing memory if pretty iffy lol
One more thing to consider, while showing only those few articulations and instruments, this comparison still needed a whole half hour...
How long would it take to go deeper? cause then you can't stop just at JXL's 12 horns and trombones, you need to show also how deep Berlin is... and you know how deep it is :-)
So Berlin don't have 12 horns, but it has expansions, and many of them, Cine also have 12 horns AND few expansions... it doesn't end.
Still, I'll gladly watch this 8 hour video :-D
Hey man, what would you recommend for a loud lead solo trumpet for hip hop or RnB? One of these or Screaming Trumpet or something else? I guess those aren't your genres but I figure a good bright loud lead trumpet for cinematic stuff would be good for RnB and hip hop too.
Hey Alec, Screaming Trumpet definitely sounds like what you're looking for. It has a ton of jazz articulations, so if that's what you need, go for it!
@@ChristopherSiu Thanks, man! :)
Christopher do you know how many gigs the jxl 12 horn instrument is? I see you can purchase sections and that's awesome. Not sure if it matters but I'd only grab two mic positions. I just cannot find how many gigs the 12 horn library is. They don't list it on the site! Thanks a bunch if you know.
Hey, good question! I actually don't know myself, just checked in the folder structure and the naming/organization is a little strange to me. I'd reach out to support with any questions just to get the right information! :)
how about chris hein brass? seems to be one of the best?
Don’t use any Chris Hein!
Chris Hein brasses were dope 5 years ago.
If anyone's curious about the Spitfire brass library I would personally recommend avoiding. There is a lot of room sound baked into the samples from the air studios in which the library is recorded. In my opinion the studio works well for winds and strings but brass should be more raw. The baked in room sound makes it less malleable in the mix
Spitifre have more than one brass library, several of which are dry, but I'm not surprised with regards to the symphonic, which is designed for people who want access to that natural reverb sound.
Are you saying even with just the close mic or are you basing it on the default mic mix?
I'm saying even with the close mic, thought it isn't too bad. Even then though just being able to use the close mic is very limiting
not true, spifire studio brass pro have so small room...
Please don't get me wrong i really like the video and would like to have more of that for Strings, percs, winds...
but would it be possible if you can play a few seconds where you can hear them in action? The 2 composer that really stands out to me on youtube are Ashton gleckman and Daniel james because they are showing the new libraries in context and what they are capable of. Maybe you can load an old project and put the Brass in so that it's not that much work.
Hi Lenny, I'll be doing more of these comparison videos. I actually have quite a few videos on my channel showing a specific library in context and creating a cue from scratch mainly using the library.
Are these particular Cinebrass libraries from Cinebrass pro, or Cinebrass core?
These are all CineBrass core edition. You can see - CORE - labelled on each instance in Kontakt.
@@antames Thanks, I was watching on my iPad, so couldn't see that close!
Do you write music for Disney?
That’s the dream! But no I don’t at the moment.
a general suggestion. Since you are not a brass player and do not play the instruments in a realistic way that a brass player would (phrasing, breath), it would be helpful to viewers to actually hear compositions written for these instruments. Play a horn concerto for solo or a well known ensemble cue (perhaps Wagner , Holst, Williams etc). Having you noodle on notes and mod wheel does nothing to show how these libraries will actually sound in context of musical phrases written for brass. This type of review helps in finding what these brass libraries sound like in a context they are not designed for. Most composers are looking at brass libraries to hear how they can sound like real brass. Here is a possible way...do an A/B comparison of a cue of [Composer] cue real vs library 1, real vs library 2 etc. Do a few cues to show legato and marcato use. This would let the viewer hear how close a brass library sounds to a real brass ensemble, and you could explain how easy or difficult it is to make that library sound like a real ensemble. Some composers say Adventure Brass can achieve a realistic cue with minimum effort, while other libraries take much more key switching and fine-tuning to get the articulation and phrasing to sound realistic. In a comparison review, you should challenge the libraries to find their strengths and weaknesses. Maybe one library is really good at legato unison, while another excels at marcato ensemble trailer cues. Maybe one has great portamento.
Whether a library is bright or wet or dry are generalities without context. If I am writing a full orchestral cue with close voicing in the strings and want a horn or trumpet line to cut through, then a bright sound may be the best. If the cue was a quiet intimate one, that bright sound may stick out like a sore thumb. This is not to complain on what you've done, but a suggestion to dig deeper with context.
Thanks for your thoughts Tony. Will keep in mind for future videos!
Generally I consider a library’s quality from a few factors: sound, playability and articulations. Each of these libraries covers all the basics, so when it comes to sound and legato, I find comparing a few patches directly against each other shows how quickly the legato may keep up, how smooth the sound can be, how short the notes can get etc. If the goal was to truly put the libraries in context and have them perform different lines, I would definitely do as you’re saying and see how they keep up. This video is meant more of as an out of the box sound/playability comparison.
I was thinking almost the same thing lol. Play famous brass lines from holst or wagner. I would say john williams but disney ruins everything.
Hi Tony, I appreciate your comment. Lots of composers are not well versed in instruments they are writing for, so it is unrealistic to expect this in Chris' demonstration. If you want to hear fully fleshed out cues, then I suggest you visit each of the manufacturers' websites and listen to their audio demos. This video is helpful for those who are wanting a brief comparison of each product on offer and what they can expect out of the box. Thanks.
@@antames That's true that every composer may have different goals or info they want from these videos, and my wants are just my point of view. Sample library developers will of course show their products in the best light and would never mention the weaknesses, so third party reviews are more likely to give you information the developers won't before making purchasing decisions.
i like berlin brass strangely more than jxl brass
me tooo, Junkie XL has a beautiful tone but on same time it sounds very synthie...
@@tb6265 I remember that someone at spitfire said that when they sample the loudest sounds for strings , for some reason it sounded unnatural to them, so that's why they like to sample at minimum
Anonymous Composer Society hmm that‘s interesting 🤔
That’s because Chris only played the small sections. While nice to compare, it paints the other libraries in the best light possible. The 12 trombones and 12 horns patches in JunkieXL blow away any other brass library.
David Kudell Music so it‘s nice because we can buy just the 12 horn patch from junkie xl 🤩
Curious about brass plugins. I am also interested to know how many young you tubers are demoing kontakt with cracked versions. I hear a lot of students are using full Russian cracked additions of kontakt ultimate collectors editions and having their computers phished for bank card details. Not only is it wrong for skint students to do this it is the very reason kontakt ultimate is so expensive in the first place. At least Spectrasonics is reasonably affordable.
That's a good point, I'd hate to imagine how many.
A broke college student wouldn't magically be able to afford it if they stopped pirating it. It does little to kontakt's sales.
@@NoOne-qn2hv there is such a thing as student discount. Look at academic editions of Cubase for example.
I actually think Cinebrass stands out as the best sound for my kind of composing. Even if it's old it still does a fantastic job. Thanks for all the great videos Chris 👍
In fact, it's not the Russians who hack Kontact and the libraries for it, and plugins. It's just that the most popular site where they are distributed is in Russian. The two main teams are in Japan and Ukraine.
All those poor tuba players carried their heavy instruments to the recording sessions and you didn't even mention them once...
They're the true heroes. They deserve a separate video
Haha I'm super grateful for this video but if I were only allowed two instruments to judge a brass library by it would be trumpet and tuba.
Lol..too many sample libraries and it’s not enough for u??..lol..just let us orchestra players handle the orchestra...facts
A point of view that corrupts the very spirit of the art, revealing ignorance of orchestral music's exclusionary past. Also facts.
I think you are missing the point of why libraries exists in first place. They provide inspiration for composer because they sound good enough; they can be used to create mock ups; and they can always serve for some arrangement if they are realistic enough; even they can be used to double the orchestra in some productions; or they can be used by amateurs or musicians who don’t have access to an orchestra and want to record their tracks. And maybe there are scenarios I am not considering now. Doing all of that with real orchestra, would be expensive, and calling the whole orchestra each time you have a musical idea if you are a composer would be annoying as well. And yes, scoring is always possible, but as a composer myself I can say it is more inspiring having a nice sound.
Hallo,
I just purchased CineBrassPro. Luckily - for 50 % price.
Some things I had no idea about - there are just four (!) articulations : three short notes of different lengths and one sustain - legato. Important - no possibility of vibrato notes, not even thinking about vibrato crossfade possibilty... ! Shocking. Also - no shakes, no scoops, falls, glissandos, phrases etc.
As a top of a list - zero feedback from Cinesamples.
Make an opinion for yourself !
Oh yes, the basic sound is quite nice ! :-)