Tesla Megacharger! Visiting A DCFC Location With Over 100 EV Chargers. Welcome To Baker, CA
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112°F, or almost 45°C in 21st Century units, is a bit warm. I feel your pain! Thanks for suffering so that we don't have to.
Thankyou fir sharing
Surprised Kyle is not wearing a hoodie. 😛
He would have to be really tuff to do that at 112 ferenheight
It’s hotter than Satan’s 🥜
I seen a guy here in Kentucky, with one on today. People are weird these days, it was 94 degrees today.......
Try a whole skiing outfit in NY on a day where the Real Feel was 110
Surprised to not see Kyle with a Starbucks in that warm weather.
I imagine 100 years ago some pre-TH-cam Kyle going to a Shell gas station and talking for half an hour how amazing the dispenser are.
Kyle asked me to take a peak at this and add any additional info worth noting:
- Up to 7 V3 Supercharger cabinets can be linked in a radial configuration with one main cabinet serving as Star Center (controller for the bus)
- Pro tip for counting V3 stalls - just count the cabinets and multiply by 4 😉 (occasionally Tesla will do less than 4 posts per cabinet - 3 is typical in Europe - but it will get you close enough)
- Notice that the accessible stall has the ADA symbol but none of the text that makes it enforceable as an ADA placard-only stall
- Additional cabinets to the same amount of stalls would be a great way for Tesla to add conversion capacity - I share your concern about non-Tesla EVs and their more aggressive charge curves compared to Teslas
- I agree with your assumption that V3 cabinets / posts can be retrofitted / upgraded to support 1000V output
Semi Charger:
- 800A AC input cabinet indicates a max connection of 664kW, but per NEC 625.42, can only operate at 640A or approximately 531kW (not factoring for power factor, voltage sag, etc)
HOWEVER, the label on the cam lock connection box indicates 400A is available for the connection - 800A would require a second set of cam locks
- Tesla is using an isolation transformer to step the 480/277V delta 3P grid connection down to 360Y208V 3P likely due to the lack of grounding for the portable setup
- 360V is not a common AC voltage range, so this is fairly odd (I'm not an expert on industrial applications so someone please correct me if this is wrong)
- This cabinet is either heavily modified or entirely unique from typical V3 cabinets with a different input voltage range, output rating and power conversion capability
- There is no DC bus capability on this cabinet
- Typical V3 cabinets are 360-528V input intended to be used on 380/400/415/440/480V grid connection with either 430A (350kVA version) or 465A (387kVA version) max continuous current typically on a 600A circuit - the output is less when operating at below 480V input (typical in Europe / ROW) which is why they are typically 3 posts per cabinet vs NA typical of 4
- I do not think this Semi cabinet is indicative of V4 cabinets but may have some shared elements
-V4 post makes Kyle look short and you know it's hot when Kyle isn't wearing a hoodie 😅
I have a deep dive of Tesla's V3 Supercharger architecture here: th-cam.com/video/MYJkMrv6o0o/w-d-xo.html
Thank you, as always, for your knowledge!
I feel... informed.
What would your guess be at all those solar panels in relation to how many teslas can charge per day? 1 may be 2 M3 from 10% -> 80%? Whatever it is, it’s totally worth it as it’s providing shade and if my guess is right, it’s still 730 cars/year…so they would eventually pay for themselves.
@@fpartidafpartida Solar at this scale for a DCFC installation is far less about offsetting the kWh and far more about offsetting demand charges
Thanks Branden for your insight and detailed info. Very informative.
Another vote for more in-depth site visits like this. It would be great to see canopies like this at Buc-ee’s, Meijer, Wawa, and Sheetz Supercharger sites.
Fully agree. Superchargers are at almost all Wawa locations within a 30 minute radius from me and if they all had solar that would be epic!
This is one hell of a charging station! Love to see these massive sites!
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Its a diesel generator powering that charging station.
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Charging an ev of a generator has way smaller of a carbon footprint than you think
@@MrTyler0 Its definitely the way to go - diesel powering electric cars.
The solar canopies are brilliant to provide shade and energy! I wish more supercharger locations were designed like this!
I think that all chargers should have solar canopies because it provides shade and power.
Agreed. They’re expensive initially but worth it after a handful of years. Cleaner energy. and as you mentioned, the shade is huge in hotter areas to protect people and lower car temperatures
Lol!!!
Also in colder climates they can provide shelter from rain and snow, at least while charging.
I just charged here 30 minutes ago!! 😊
Good stuffs happening in the charging space. Extremely needed for EV highway travelling. Of course there are extremist in EV and anti-EV but sane people will check practicality and economics. We are still in early phase but rapidly growing. Kudos to everyone involved: companies like Tesla, EA, Volta, Chargepoint etc; early adopters and influences like OOS team, Branden Flasch, Bjørn Nyland etc.
I use this station on my way from Vegas to San Diego whenever I take my Ioniq 5 on that road trip. It’s great. Good charging experiences, covered from the sun, ad well as a Convenience store, restrooms, and a fast food joint.
I wondered about the store and restrooms- not shown in the video! And no one else outside. Maybe most folks just
sit in their car and wait?
@@lopezb I usually just get a coffee and play with my phone in the cool AC for 15 minutes or so in the car. Especially in the summer when it’s 112 out.
@@Bum_Hip :)
Lol at fast food, it's unhealthy.
@@JakeRichardsong LOL @ you feeling the need to tell anyone that as if it is new information.
Never thought i would be so fascinated by a video about chargers but man very cool vid.
After being with my husband who’s a diehard car guy (& loves EVs), I’m really into watching info about charging stations, car trips & technology! ICE cars are boring!
12:33 those aren’t Megapacks🤨That’s the 4000 A panels which contain the 480 V switchgear.
My primary stopping location when going to Vegas. The original EA 350kw chargers at that location are the ones that fried my Rivian. But, they've since been replaced with the new versions and no problems since.
Kettleman City, was just at a couple of weeks ago. They have two separate locations on each side of the street. Didn't count the chargers, but both are huge locations, so probably close to 100 between the two locations almost directly across the street from each other.
I was there a few weeks ago. I counted only one of the two sites, but they had 39 or 40 and also were covered by a canopy of solar panels. They also had an air conditioned lounge with an espresso bar! Cool!
Great video, very informative. Did you give the Crow @9:20 a drink? He looked thirsty.
Tesla is adding 56 new for a total of 96. Pretty awesome!
Surprised and dissapointed that the site doesn't seem to have ANY provision for PULL THROUGH CHARGING for vehicles pulling trailers, especially with the Cybertruck coming! The temp/hacky pull through even for the Megacharger is funny too. How are they not thinking of PULL THROUGH YET ON NEW INSTALLATIONS?!
Good question. BUT look at all the available land surrounding that site. Plenty of space for dedicated pull-through Semi charging AND a bunch of solar. Assuming Tesla owns some of it.
They are pull through but you would be taking up two spots and maybe blocking a bit Devoting a lot of space to pull through only probably doesn't make sense right now.
Was great meeting you at Tesla Takeover! Also loved watching this video !! What an epic charging station (wish I got to see it in person).
More EV site reviews, please! @12:51
Clearly prepping to be the leader in DCFC for ALL EV's in 2024
Mandatory comment. Because this is amazing. And I need more. And more nerd details on how it all works.
Kyle we need more charging station reviews please :) Cool video
Thanks for going out in the heat to share with us about this incredible charging site. Wonder why there are no covers to shield the batteries from the blazing sun
The supercharger site in Sutherlin Oregon on I-5 opened several weeks ago with 51 V3 stations.
Every state needs at least 2 stations like this
Every interstate highway needs 2 or more of these in every state.
That's an incredible site. I just wish the ones we currently have with 8 or 12 stalls were covered like that.
Solar works well with the battery. Of course they can feed it back to the grid and just compensate utility power bill, but they can charge the batteries when sun is shining and then discharge when it is not. I think this is what you have heard - inverter was busy charging the battery. And since in summer you have at least 12 hours of insolation, even 60kW of panels gives you 720kWh, and they have many such canopies, this gives us few megawatt*hour per day. Solar modules are cheap BTW, battery and inverter capable of working with the battery are expensive. They could have installed on-grid inverter and send excess energy to the grid and be done, but then grid had to deal with it (which is probably not a big deal as demand for a/c must be high during hot period), and they went way farther and invested into battery which can store excess energy.
this solar install is about 210-260kw
Perfect way to balance grid and maximise existing electrical infrastructure. 👍🔋🌞🇦🇺
Very cool! Thanks for taking one for the EV team in that heat. Appreciate all the information you share.
Greatjob Kyle! Thanks for updating us for Baker expansion charging stn area. Love it
I hope they update the gas station it's connected to. We skip that location on our frequent trips out from Vegas to Cali because the bathrooms there are disgusting, smelly and dirty and neither I nor my kids want to use them, so we always opt to pass there and continue to the Barstow superchargers by the outlet mall. Bathrooms are much cleaner and they're doing an expansion to the v3 superchargers there as well.
I think the opportunity here is to locate big EV charging stations like this at key points between heavily traveled routes, like LA to Las Vegas. A hundred stations like this, placed strategically around the country would go a long way towards making long distance EV travel more inviting.
your excitement, excites me, love your professionalism, all this knowledge you put together by yourself, man loving this, ty
I'm commenting below to say I love these types of videos showing the charging stations. Keep em coming!
Wow! You guys are awesome! Thanks for the tour. That is a phenomenal station.......
Next time, could you briefly show us the amenities at the station as well? I think with EV charging, that is a big feature as well.
Quartzite Kyle, right now they’re putting in 88 chargers and I think there’s another 36 in the same area. Southern Arizona.
Great video Kyle! What an awesome and interesting charging site. Super job showing an early megacharger. Maybe the first ever built with the MC1, or MegaCharger1, label. I do wish you had captured a better image of the rating plaque though.
Amazing progress! This is how the vertical integration and the energy sector from Tesla are paying off now. All other charging networks need to purchase chargers very expensive despite not having any mega packs. Tesla is now collecting the benefits from the huge investment in the past, which no one believed it was even possible 😉.
56 v3 plus the the 40 v2 already in place but you failed to mention they have pulled a permit less than one mile northeast for for another 32 (v4?) plus a restaurant. 128 total for Baker.
Add a big ass convenience store and it’s like a 2037 Buc-eel’s! 😆 Can’t wait!
Not only do those solar panel covers help with comfort, they will really save energy for folks running AC. Our Tesla BAKES in the sun with that massive sunroof. Parking in the shade makes a huge difference.
Anyone else get the awesome Apple Ad about their security and Find My capabilities? Great Job Apple!
Would love to see more awesome charging station videos! Keep being awesome!
Fantastic, I went there last year or just this month, Amazing location in continuous expansion !!!
Epic Content! Thanks. Funny someone ICED a spot while you were there😮
Love these charging station videos! Keep them coming!!
LOL at the zoom in at the end of the Factor ad
Great news! I wish there were majic docks at that location for Rivian Trucks. Did you see any magic docks there yet?
🤣🤣 so endearing how Kyle gets so excited about batteries. Comes across as a genuinely good guy & geek. Incredibly knowledgeable.
Thanks for reviewing, please do more in the future!
This is an impressive setup! Amazing! Thanks for sharing guys.
Love the nerding out on charging stations! More please :)
Keetlman is over 100 charging stalls now. I was there recently and they all work too. Along with truck trailer accesible stalls too.
It’s amazing to see what’s going on in the US and that site you are visiting - amazing 😮😊🎉 today I’m the owner of a Megane E- Tech and we have just been on vacation from Denmark to Germany and we were actually only charging on Tesla Superchargers 😊 it works, it’s easy to use. The app works and also so easy to use - again amazing 🤩 🎉🎉😊
When I was towing a U-Haul 6x12 foot trailer with my Tesla Model X I came away with some needed improvements.
1. More sites need to include a space for EV's with trailers. So far I know of two SuperCharging locations; Morongo Trail in Cabazon, CA with 3 pull through slots and Indio, CA with one. The Baker SuperCharger doesn't really count as the chargers are 2 deep, where a car may be in front. Also the turn to get into the charger is tight. I did change at the Foothill Pasadena, CA SuperCharger but I took up three slots. One can change at the Disabled parking slots but others non-disabled people were using them.
2. The route planners should say if there are available slots for trailers.
3. Trailer rental companies like U-Haul need to make their equipment easy to disconnect. For example include a trailer jack.
I would like to see you include this info in your reviews of new changing locations. With the new trucks coming this info is really needed.
Thanks for the video Kyle & friends👍 Would love to see the Tesla semi charging & hopefully you will get it soon.
Yes to more charge center reviews & data. Also was at the Baker loc. about a month ago and the first row of V3 stalls was operational (closest to the store/eatery - about where that V4 was sitting. Great spot to charge, just way overpriced for snacks / drinks. :) We take the wife's GV60 to the other side of the same lot. Both decent charge rates for their respective cabinetry. TY for all the great data!
Love how excited you get about switch gear. :)
Great review. Thank you
Your enthusiasm is infectious. 👍
Nice video kyle . Hopefully Ea will add more. The largest ea I have seen is 10 at a Cincinnati location. Our Columbus oh location has 8
Two new Tesla charger stations just went in last week in Vegas one at Red Rock resort in Summerlin and the other at the south premium outlet mall at Las Vegas Blvd. and Warm Springs road.
I love watching Kyle nerd out over this! This IS quite impressive! Now, if they could bring something equal to the east coast (DMV specifically 😂)!
The Barstow install pretty impressive also.
As a new Tesla owner I learned a lot on the charging process in this video thank you.
I first visited the Baker supercharger a few years ago and there were just 10 stations. Now the supercharger is almost bigger than the town.
This is one of the cooler videos I’ve seen from you in awhile! More videos like this please.
Super video, thank you Kyle! Your videos are realy good and you also as person‘ 💪🏻👍🏻🔌🔋
Great video.
We’re charging here a few times a month.
-Dive Bar Casanova.
Love learning about the charging tech!
That crow is massive
With the building of Bright Line West station in Las Vegas, they need a 50+ charger network built as part of the station.
Part of the service on Bright Line East they do pick up and drop off for passengers in model 3/Ys so it makes sense...
but they could have an issue with the Taxicab Authority and also the Nevada Transportation Authority which runs the limousine licencing
Great info, thanks!
Neeeerrrrrdddddd!!!!
It’s awesome seeing somebody so excited over new tech. (Which I don’t mostly understand)
But yeah. I’ll watch everything to learn little bits here and there.
Real question is, how do we convert our sedans/SUVs to use the Tesla semi charger. Hahaha
Keep’em coming!
Didn't know big charging stations like this existed. I've only ever seen them in single rows in parking ramps and grocery store parking lots. Cool.
I have very similar impressions on how the V3 hardware works. On the 880-1000V interconnect, I think the voltage is dependent on the input voltage of the 3-phase. The input can be 380/300/415/440/480V 3-phase. In the US, we have 480V 3-phase. In mainland Europe it is 380V and 415V. At 380V that gives only 283KW. At 415V that gives only 309KW. A lot less then the 357KW in the US for 480V. Sharing only 283KW between 4 chargers would be pretty slow. To compensate for the lower voltage, Tesla installs 3 output V3 superchargers in Europe.
Since we are nerding: New V3 stations in Norway usually get a separate 480 V supply. They are such a big consumer that they warrant their own transformer station taking the power from much higher voltage transmission lines anyway. So it is a non-standard 480 V 50 Hz. I don't know how often they do that in the rest of Europe.
@@geirmyrvagnes8718The voltage in Norway for industrial sites and new residential area is 400V three phase TN. Not 480V.
A 480V has 277V between a phase and neutral, while 400V has 230V.
It is also possible for an industrial consumer to connect to the 22kV local distribution net, owning their own transformers...
Tesla must still be upping the DC voltage with other equipment. If you simply put the 480V 3 phase AC power and converted to DC you would be at about 340V. It does make sense that the one cabinet for 3 stalls in Europe is what they use since the incoming AC power is lower though. There's still more going on and this is likely to just share the equipment easily and not have completely different parts.
@whattheschmidt As your napkin math shows, the power electronics in the superchargers is a bit more clever than that. But as I understand it, the modules are made for 480 V, so if they absolutely must power them with a lower voltage, a solution is actually to start by stepping the voltage up again. It is more efficient to go directly from, say, 22 kV.
I drive through here a few times a year when I make the drive from San Diego, CA to Fort Collins, CO in my 3 Standard Range. Cool town aesthetically but not temperature wise lol. Definitely really nice chargers.
I am assuming no Magic Docks on the tesla charging stations here, perhaps not needed because of the EA chargers. I would like to see more of these videos, I love it. And keep us posted if you spot any magic-dock capable Tesla chargers. I drive a Bolt EUV and some day, a magic-dock Tesla charger might just save me if I come close to running out of juice, with no other nearby options!
Kyle is so passionate and in the heat.
The birds are loving the shade! Next, Tesla power washers?
Great Information... Thanks
i was just there on saturday on my way back from fanfest ffxiv in las veages and will it was supper hot there.
Been there, charged there many-a-time. The last time I saw a Kia EV6, a Rivian R1T, and a Mustang Mach-E GT charging from the EA units. If Tesla continues to install these Megachargers, then Hyundai should be able to transition to NACS and use them. My one complaint about the Baker site? That they charge 3 times the usual price for a small ice-cream cone. Tsk. Now… visit the new Barstow Supercharger. Immense!
This is awesome! I no longer have my '14 LEAF SL (totaled last September when it was broadsided by an idiot turning left when they shouldn't have), but my former employer (I retired) went from having four L2 chargers to 12 during the 3 years that I was working/EV owner. Infrastructure is the true limiting factor of EV use/acceptance. This is incredible.
Noted the litter on the ground... It's a shame that people can't pick up after themselves!
It is so good to see an ADA-designated charger! Thank you for sharing.
We need something like this for CCS drivers in Quartzsite, AZ
Yeah, I tend to full charge in buckeye/Indio and drive conservatively to make it between them. Reliable fast charging in Quartzite would shave 30 minutes off my trip.
The town I live in has two chargers for town work vehicles, that’s it! Next charger is about 34km away.
Vote to do more Charger site review. Been to this place a few times, but it sure has grown!!! Awesome for EV users.
EV is going to destoy the grid. Good luck when you have to walk.
The 40 stalls Tesla 150 kW supercharger at this location often got throttled down to only 72 kW when they're busy. 72 kW takes a long time, so I just have to charge enough to get to the next station. It happened to me twice, so I will not be stopping here again until the V3 opens up.
Yes, Busy V2 is like that. 150 kW split between two cars. It is really awkward coming in to a V2 station where every second dispenser has a car at it. Who will I choose to annoy by parking next to? Some stations even have the pairs of chargers distributed seemingly at random, so watch the dispenser numbers. V3 also gets throttled, but as shown in the video, the sharing is much wider, so you can't easily point at the one that is slowing you down.
@geirmyrvagnes8718 I'm aware of the split at the V2 stations. Both times, I tried to unplug n moved to a different stall without another car next to me, but I still only get 72 kW, so you're right about the pairing probably being distributed at random. I even walked around asking other drivers that didn't have a car next to them or in front of them, which they confirmed they only get 72 kW. Watching this video certainly educate me on the fact that V3 does throttle as well, but it's still much faster even when all the stalls are full in my experience. That's probably bc each car takes in the juice at different charge rates as it gradually slows down.
He knows his stuff, great content
I'm in the UK and loving your charger videos
That megapack is impressive. They just installed 68 of them at GigaTexas. Can’t wait to see both of their megapack factories ramped up and Tesla is building 20,000 a year.
That’s so cool. Would love more charger content! The tech fascinated me.
Check out the Tejon Ranch charging station-76 stalls. Off I-5 at the southern base of the CA Central Valley.
When you are growing 50% per year, you have to think big! Love my Model 3LR/FSD. Cost a bundle, but worth it.
Thank you 🎉
Hey guys, you don't know the impact this is going to have in the electric utility/grid industry! We've been talking about this, formulating plans around it, and (frankly) dreading the day it arrives. Well, now the reality is staring at us in the face. You've done a great service finally waking up the utility execs because this nerd-topia video will have them crapping in their pants. And soiling is deserved. I'll be showing this to all my colleagues and Exec peers. BTW, I should take you through a stroll of a facility that has 365 MW Motors 😊
It will be a challenge but not insurmountable. You just have to re-think the problem a bit and not hit it with the same fossil fuel dinosaur brain thinking we've been accustomed to when it comes to energy. 🦎
Most important change is that *each* individual EV charging station can be equipped with its *own EV battery pack* co-located next to it. For reference, the average EV pack size 40kWh. This co-located battery pack pretty much guarantees each EV that pulls up to charge will get a good portion or all of its current _without_ pulling anything from the grid during its charge. Both the co-located pack and the grid can be charging the EV in parallel. The priority between the charger's battery and grid can be software controlled. The co-located battery pack chemistry can be specially tuned to this task.
Chargers are not frequently used back to back. So the charging stations control electronics will work diligently to refill the battery pack from the grid in-between charges. Since there's usually a lot downtime between charges, the charge rate can be programmed to just "sip" power from the grid at low currents to minimize peak loads on the grid - like the _reservoir tank_ on a house toilet.
Think of the co-located battery equivalent to the reservoir tank of a house toilet. Each toilet has one. If there is unusually high EV charging activity, the driver will have to wait. Just like waiting for the toilet's reservoir tank slowly re-fills before you can use it again. Its mostly a non-issue but its an "edge case" to know about because it helps to stabilize the regional grid connection at a rare inconvenience to the user.
AI and other heuristic algorithms can be employed to try to predict charging traffic activity and adjust the charge accordingly. The software can also have cloud connection to the regional grid to know what is available in real-time to really fine tune its behavior.
This method of having one EV charge battery per charging station add some cost. But the *reliability* is highest since each charging station has a distributed energy buffer and scales linearly with the amount of charging stations at any given site.
Other secondary optimizations:
⋅ On-site solar panels (kilowatts to megawatts scaling with the size of the charging site)
⋅ Tesla Megapacks 3MWh secondary energy buffers. Each Tesla Megapack alone charge about seventy-five 40kWh EV battery charges.
@@beyondfossil Thanks. I know all that, I work with advanced control systems, renewable energy, and energy storage (but ion the GW range). What I'm worried about is the usual problem, which is people expecting and wanting 10 minute or 20 minute charge times. You know how patient Americans and Canadians are - not very.
Hopefully we can balance a lot of it out with interconnected stations with combined energy storage. That is the sensible solution, as opposed to bulk/brute force thinking.
@@bigskygeneration4474 Sure, thanks for the reply.
I think a greater risk to the grid is the electrification of homes & offices.
For instance, removing natural gas heating and natural gas kitchen ranges will add *a lot* of load on the distribution lines, transformers - not just the backend power plants.
A whole home electric heat pump may pull 3000+W for much of the day. If its not a heat pump then may be 6000W. Also, when everyone comes home from work to cook on their induction cooktops and ovens we'll get another 2000W to 6000W.
We could be looking at tripping the fuse on the neighborhood transformer especially during cold winter with whole home heating.
Energy buffering is probably the go to solution to handle a lot of the cases (except for all day home heating). For the average home, a 15kWh whole home battery like Tesla Powerwall 2 could do much of this.
But a big problem is most Americans/Canadians are broke. A common stat is that 57% of working age Americans could not afford a $1000 emergency expense.
The other thing is a "smart breaker panel".
Any thoughts on this?
The only way for there to be enough electricity in the future is to build more nuclear plants.
Wtf are you even talking about?!
I love this sort of stuff 👍
Love the charger reviews, I see Tesla is looking to install a version 4 in Grand Forks, BC which would be the first in Canada!
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