I Charge A CCS Electric Car On A Tesla Supercharger For The First Time! Magic Dock & The Limitations
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Quote: "It's now my turn to tell you everything you probably already know." - Yep, that's what you get when you're hooked on the various Out of Spec channels and Kyle's channel (along with all his other social medias) 😆 Still, certainly going to watch the full video!
I may already know, but I still make time for @KyleConnor to tell me about it
Charged my Mercedes EQE 350+ at the Tesla Supercharger station in Cali. I have to say as a non-Tesla owner it was a great experience got up to 135 kWh. All except the dirty looks I got from Tesla owners. Thanks for the videos, Out of Spec is the reason I bought an EV and I cant believe I waited so long.
135 kW not kWh, glad to see other EVs at superchargers 😊
Yep, I don't think I'll ever charge at Tesla with a non-Tesla. That's like if Apple were letting Android users charge at their stores.
Looking forward to Mercedes establishing their own charging network this year
Haha when I had a Tesla I thought if it weren't for the supercharger network, I wouldn't buy one. They're good cars for the performance/price, but incredibly bland inside, range is a farce, I have never met a tesla owner that told me they get the quoted range and quoted charging speed, and finally quality is below even chinese EVs. They're a deal now, but the market will push them out if they can't fix these issues. Its not just me and my opinion, many tesla OWNERS share these...
Tesla is smart to open their network, and I think its a good idea to command a premium to non-Tesla owners, its their network its fine. I want them to make so much money it encourages them to spread them throughout the US. Gas stations and other places will see profits can be made, throw some high speed chargers (like Europe Circle K/7-11).
I’m pleased to learn EQS can charge at 135 kW at a Tesla Supercharger. When will Florida get some MagicDocks to charge my EQS580?
Kyle for the Lucid charging port, in the glass cockpit on the upper left there’s a dedicated button for opening the charging port, so you can open it easily before even getting out of the car, saving you from going into the pilot panel charging menu. Or you can just push firmly inward on the bottom right corner of the charge port door and it should open, looks like you missed that spot in the video.
Kyle is such a nerd lol, but he probably knows more about EV charging than just about anyone else on TH-cam. Thats why I watch him.
Except Tesla Bjorn
Also at most legacy automakers! Lol
All Tesla fans are nerds 😂
We watch primary to see Alyssa and Anna… 😂😂
So Kyle would know more in his Lucid Dream 😉 so Kyle knows more then Kyle in his Dreams 😅
10:00 Dang, thought we were going to see some super slow-mo action.
Haha me too
Yeah that was a weird moment.
I went back to that frame to zoom in and see if I missed something, maybe an easter egg 😊
@@robertvangent9304 I did the same. If anyone figures out what we missed in that little pause, let us know!
@@JeremyAkersInAustin Kyle said "Got it, don't need any of that help" and closed the screen instructing how to eject the CCS adapter from the Dock. Fast forward to him struggling to get the adapter out and it becomes a "famous last words" moment. 😂😂
Great job guys - love all your videos! Always learn a ton.
A great video explaining everything esp nerding out the output cabinets
Love the HDR video! Very happy to see more people embracing it
Amazing he does this in one take and no notes.
So nerdy, Kyle! Love the deep dive on the Tesla magic chargers at Brewster... learned alot. Oh, and Dave's new Lucid is frigging gorgeous ❤
Kyle, you did a wonderful job! Your Father did the common person review and yours' is the nerdy version. And I agree that Tesla will be the go to charging station for all EVs. With the one caveat being that they don't mess things up for version four charging stations.
I love it when you nerd out, Kyle! I learn so much!! Haha!
It is very handy. We here in Finland have had it for a while as our Superchargers use CCS anyways, and it even is cheaper than some companies (yes I am looking at you, Recharge). We have gotten good speeds with our Single motor 2023 XC40 Recharge Plus.
Another great OOS video. I think Tesla doing what they can to support non-Tesla vehicles is a good move, and since superchargers were initially designed only for Tesla vehicles, it makes sense there are some limitations with retrofitting the magic dock to the V3s. Will be curious to see what V4 brings and hopefully when they set them up, they plan for additional stations than normal to avoid causing delays for Tesla drivers.
Yesterday charged my eqs in Shirley Long Island,, cable reached but needed to get close ,,went soooo easy ,, had setup account before going ,, perfect experience,, when I got home measured my lyriq and that will not reach without using more than one spot
Who is your new camera person? She is doing a great job keeping you in frame.
Thank you, I’m new to it but try my best 😅
@@laloajuria4678 she is not fully tested, he may choose another soon
@@laloajuria4678 she is A winner
@@laloajuria4678 I don’t work for OOS, just here for fun 😊
@@ciocrazvan9388 Kyle the baddest boy
I'd love to see more of these rolled out. I live in greater Seattle, and these magic docks would make getting to my parents in the middle of the desert in NV so much easier!
They've also started opening the Superchargers up in Oceania as well (starting in Australia). We also use CCS2 down here
12:47 "Now that Tesla, which has mastered the charging game even for non-Tesla vehicles, is opening up the network, I think it's the saving grace to electric vehicles."
Only 3500 dc super chargers by the end of 2025 not all of the network just to get some money not because they care.
It's not a mastery if it's not rolled out everywhere or at least lower performing locations.
The pedestal of V4 is mounted at the center of the stall instead of offset to one side, so it works with all cars and doesn't cause a wasted stall to charge a non Tesla
I totally agree at the end. I want plug and charge with the magic dock attached without the app.
Can't wait for Colton's assessment of THIS Lucid.
I love your new car. . . That thing is awesome!
I’m a simple guy. I see a 24 minute Out of Spec video, I click and watch.
Makes sense most of the magic dock stations are in New York, with a couple in California. I'll bet these will be converted to the new V4 charging stalls from the Buffalo Gigafactory. That's going to solve cable-gate.
Great Video Kyle.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Which video spoke to the rear moter inverter for eGMP? Link please?
Great video. Have you compared the Fisker Ocean and the E-GV70?
I can't wait for the system to open nationwide. I do most of my charging at home, but the Tesla network would provide more opportunities for road trips. Yes, it might be expensive. I do 90% of my charging at home so personally, the price isn't a deal breaker. For most people, I'm guessing bad charging experiences would be a deal breaker for purchasing an electric car.
Sometimes I think we need to take a step back and look how good we've got it rather than complaining about not being able to charge as superfast speeds like 350 kw. I've been driving electric since the 1980s. Back then you were lucky to get a kilowatt off of a light pole in a shopping center. Even in 2003 I would drive to town and then have to spend 6 hours noodling around town while my car was charging so I had enough to use to get home. I remember in about 2007 getting J plug adapter so I could plug my conversion into a j1772 charge station. And with that I could get 3 kilowatts because I had two chargers on board. As they say we've come a long way baby.
Omg, first time seeing true HDR in my iPhone. I had the brightness to the lowest setting watching this video and it was like 50% on a normal non HDR video. 😁. Also amazing video Kyle
Hey Kyle.
Where have you seen/heard about V4 superchargers in Eu. Thanks for many good videos!
Regards, Mikkel
I have a 2023 Ioniq 5. I have not seen any successful charging on a Magic Dock. Please confirm that the later HI5 is able to use the Magic Dock and the charge rate attained. Thanks.
MKBHD brought me and I'm lovin' it
While I have indeed already seen several Magic Dock videos, I value your EV insight more than most others so this video is appreciated.
V4 also is placed centrally therefore removes, along with cable length, any issues regarding where the charge port is on other EVs.
Obviously not a great thing to just try, but do you think you can pull the adapter from the car without hitting the soft touch stop charge on the Tesla connector? Wonder if there is a safe stop. Great video
I so enjoy your videos. It's like your head is chock-full of so much information and it just flows out effortlessly. On this particular subject, will Chademo be left out? While I know there won't be a chademo adapter in the unit like you demonstrated, I wonder if there will be a chademo adapter coming out that you could just plug the Tesla plug into. Have you heard of anything like that?
"And we're in!" That's my exclamation every time....
Yes I agree they will be king of the charging network
Looking at the thumbnail imagining what the lucid as a shooting brake / hatchback would look like
More good news for ccs owners is that 7 11 is building thier own charging network at thier stations not bringing in evgo or ea the more expansion we have like this the less we have to rely on evgo and ea which is a good thing because more options means you can get a charge when the evgo or ea stations are full or not working/de-rated
When you say early e-Gmp cars don't work does that include all Ioniq5 vehicles or do the 2023 models work?
I see that Tesla has already improved the site since it opened. When Tom Moloughney & MKBHD were there, there were sign posts blocking vehicles from getting too close. In your video, you can see that these posts are no longer there. Thus you can move vehicles a few inches closer and thus easier to plug a CCS car in.
this is very cool to see, maybe the next version they will add cable length into their chargers who knows.
i used the magic dock in red hook ny with my 2019 kona In the duchess county are mostly level 2 chargers
Kyle, when your dad was charging his M3 with the Magic dock he was getting the full 171kW/~500A through it. I find it interesting Tesla allows 500A through the magic dock when charging their cars, but only 350A when charging non-Teslas. So clearly the Magic Dock is capable of more than 350A, and I wish Tesla would add an overboost/derate strategy into their program for non-Teslas. Maybe we could start at 500A and derate down to 350A over a 5-10 min period.
kool,,, wonder if there is a tesla to ccs adapter to use with other tesla chargers ?
3:22 I have seen some magic dock videos where it was not filmed in Brewster, NY (For example: I watched some magic dock video where it was filmed at Scotts Valley, CA)
Hey dude I have a Cadillac Lyriq luxury 3 but quick question, was you in Royal oak Michigan last weekend ??
My eqs went to 65 kil. But did not precondition or wait to see if it would ramp up ,, just wanted to try it
Hey Kyle, it's Jeff.. I'm a little behind in the info but we have a Bucee's in Terrell, Texas that is about to open up 28 Tesla Superchargers and I've asked them why Tesla when U.S. cars use CCS but no one in management there can even answer that.. But listening to your video here, do you think the Tesla Superchargers at Bucee's in Terrell, TX is going to allow CCS charging? It doesn't make sense to build so many chargers for Tesla only, especially when U.S. cars can't use them. How can I find out? They're not active yet but I've been told any day now. Any help on this? If it does allow, will I need to buy a specific adapter? I have an adapter already. I drive a 2022 Bolt EUV. Thanks for the help
I don't own a CCS capable EV yet but do have an Aptera reservation . Could you share specifically what Tesla app you are using or recommend ? There seems to be a lot of options out there !
The lucid looks so good
I read about a 2023 ID.4 hit 186kw on a Tesla Supercharger.
In the UK, (with a tesla) we pay less to super charge than most other high speed chargers. I haven't checked the non-tesla rate for the open chargers though. Super chargers are 45-65ppkWh, and we Ionity seem to charge 75-85p
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO LUCID FAMILY 🙋♂️❤🥳🥳🥳🥳🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉😉👍
In Europe Tesla is adding longer cables to the chargers.
If the Taycan has the 150 kw option, can you get near a 150 kilowat on these stations?
What's the status of tesla supercharging Energicas and Livewires?
What app are you using to start the charge? No one ever tell you where to find it.
Great content Kyle.
Here's a crazy thing that someone should try. Bring along a Tesla mobile connector (plus a means to power it), and plug it into the Magic Dock. See if the dispenser will release the CCS adapter when attached to the mobile connector - and if so, can you charge a CCS car with it.
99.9% sure it wouldn't work due to the low-voltage communication you were talking about, but would still be an interesting experiment to try.
I have an even better suggestion: EVSE Adapters sells a 14ft "Supercharger extension cord" which you can attach to a supercharger cord to give you an extra 14ft of reach. What if you plugged that cord into the supercharger plug, and then attached the other end to the Magic Dock... Would it attach to the extension cord and release? In theory any communication should pass though since the extension cord would just pass it straight through.
@@JeremyAkersInAustin Interesting! Seems like magic dock theft could be a thing (though Tesla would know who unlocked it).
Hm. @21:11 Looks like there are two magnets in the DC side of the magic dock adapter. I bet you could touch two magnets to the magic dock adapter and release it from the Tesla plug🤔
More likely its electric release. You might be able to run current through the two pins in the J1772 port and retract the latch holding the Tesla plug in. I think the two pins up inside the station power the cable release, then when you requires the magic dock the power shuts off or the lock is driven out, the Tesla cable locks, and then the latch holding the magic dock in the station is released after verifying the cable is locked to it.
Still haven’t gotten my ioniq 5 to work on the magic dock. I got it to charge 1 time out of probably 25 times I tried and couldn’t figure out what I did different. Ill have to try it again soon
Just watched more of this and you mention it. Mine has gotten all of the software updates from both the dealer and infotainment and still no good 👎
At 2:23 -- As a *non*-Tesla owner myself, I actually strongly disagree here: I would have *preferred* Tesla release an adapter rather than retrofit the magic dock onto existing CCS stations (So yes, I'm saying I would rather pay for an adapter so I can charge at Superchargers) for several reasons:
1) Once I buy the adapter I could charge at any supercharger. I wouldn't need to wait for them to retrofit. If there was an adapter I could gain immediate access to all Superchargers, no waiting.
2) The "adapter" could potentially include several feet of cord (Tesla could charge more for longer cord lengths), making it possible to plug in CCS cars that have their charging ports located in places that existing Supercharging cables cannot reach
3) It will help prevent non-Tesla cars (Which again: I'm a non Tesla driver so I count myself in this crowd) from clogging up Superchargers for two reasons: a) We'd have to have some skin in the game by buying an adapter and b) Because the adapter could include a few extra feet of cord it will prevent people from improperly parking at the stalls.
I worry that as it is now, EV routing apps like ABRP will just start routing CCS cars to superchargers which is going to frustrate both CCS drivers who can't get the cord to reach and existing Tesla drivers because the CCS cars are going to be improperly parked to make the cords reach. Whereas if you have to buy an adapter, apps like ABRP and PlugShare will have to ask you if you own said adapter before routing or suggesting to you use a Supercharger. Selling an adapter would ensure that only drivers who actively *want* access to Superchargers will end up there and help those drivers gain access to all Superchargers they need access to instantly plus give them a little extra cord length to reach their cars charging port.
In the long run what Tesla is doing is the best solution. But in the short term (ie until they modify all the superchargers) an adapter would be a huge advantage for anyone needing to use one of the superchargers not yet converted. Why not do it both ways?
My question is how fast is Tesla going to install Magic Dock across the country? I need it now not a year from now.
Also, does that mean you can’t open the charging port from the app ?
Like you noted Tesla's go over the stations current limit for limited times, adding cable length will probably affect that, Tesla's engineered the entire ecosystem to be usable but as basic as possible(which is the correct way😁). They'll probably wait for the V4 to replace
Will this be available in Canada 🇨🇦?
I think the public announcement was that Tesla only agreed to open up 7500 chargers. So the entire network isn't opening. So the impact will be minimal unless they open it all up.
I have seen a number of videos discussions cable length, and how you need to pull in to get to your plug in port, etc. Seem to me the problem is the basic design of the charging stations! Gas stations design have evolved over many decades and follow a common design. Allow vehicles to pull along side of the charger and to either side, just like a gas pump. No backing in or out, pull your EV charging port close to the charger depending where your port is, front of the EV, back or the EV and left of right . Cable length could be standard.
Who knows you could also add things like a roof, trash cans, air hoses, etc.
[if they're already there, retrofitting the adapters... how much hassle would it have been for them to retrofit in a longer cable... surely they didn't need customers to roll up to these stations, to figure out it'd be too short for ideal use by some cars...]
You didn’t talk about the V4 Tesla Supercharger holsters.
Man, I can't wait for Tesla to open up more stations, especially in some remote locations like out in the American West.
Yes! It's been 3 months and silence.
Tesla = the next Standard Oil (for those of you with a "huh?", look it up). Once V4s and Magic Dock V3s fully rolls out, they'll have a near monopoly on charging. If others can't get their crap together, that's on them. And to make it worse for others, to receive IRA money, the chargers and most components have to be manufactured in North America. Most others are not at the moment. But Tesla's superchargers are.
And when they start adding solar panels and battery to heavy use sites (which they are already starting to do), that's when profits will be 100% theirs, and can then afford to lower their prices to cut down their competition, ala Standard Oil. That's when the purchase of Solar City will finally pay off for them.
No rubber floor matts??
Why do it if you already know the outcome/limitation with that brand?
Got that Doug DeMuro thumbnail going on! 🤣🤣
I don't think 350A limit on CCS is the worst thing. Yeah, ~130kW isn't the best for 400V DCFC capable cars, but workable. Charger reliability/availability can still win over peak speed in that case. Better than being stuck somewhere on an old 50kW charger, or not at all.
But with V4 that 350A limit on an 800V car is now going to be well over 200, into the 250kW realm. Acceptable charge speeds for just about anything other than the Hummer.
Also interesting each one of those SC cabinets are only rated for ~360kW continuous input from the grid. With temp monitoring they really do overdrive those things.
I Life in Harderwijk The Netherlands where the new V4 superchargers are installed. If you need a review, just let me know.
I’d like to see a pod cast with Brandon and yourself and discussing if theses stations would qualify for the NEVI funding.
Also I’d like to get your both opinions on what parts of the Tesla Chargers is more reliable? Is it the whole system, are the chargers better, are the dispensers better? I wonder why Tesla doesn’t sell the charging equipment to 3rd parties. They sell their stationary battery packs to EA.
This means that the 50 kW dcfc if the superchargers are available will still be limited to 50 kW. Which is the fastest speed chargers with in 200 miles of where i live. Which is fine for my Bolt but slow for anything else
Can my polestar PS2 charge properly at the supercharger
240p HDR is the best quality I can get for this
Video is still rendering he just uploaded it so...
720p now
Where is he leaving at the end?
I think they're doing it this way to collect the charging data of other vehicles first. The first ones that try it out are willing to accept the limited cable arrangement.
Comcast/Xfinity and Dunkin' should comp you some freebies for the background product placement lol
Suppose you have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV? Can you use your own adapter to charge the non-Tesla with your Tesla account?
Glad to hear Kyle say i.e. the real reason for buying a Tesla is it's network!
What's happening at 10:01?
Kyle, I never once had a problem with EA chargers once i do my research on plug share. I traveled from NY to Atlanta in my Rivian twice. Traveled to Canada and other locations. Put 12k on my Rivian in 8 months. I would not even gazed at Tesla charger if I was driving Lucid. Please tell us the range your dad paid for this air? Pleaseike 85-95 etc..
105k but it only had like 800 miles.
Tesla put Brewster, NY on the map!
They need to roll out V4 or upgraded V3 with 800v charging yesterday for all these open locations, especially if they're doing this for federal funding (which they clearly are). Hopefully V4 will support 500A too. There are going to be some very bad charging experiences when they're mainstream and CCS actually try and use these things. My concern is due to these limitations, one it won't push the other CCS providers to do better, and two it makes Tesla look pretty bad for CCS use.
50 kW is the OG fast charging…it may not be ideal with these extra large batteries and 800V systems, BUT, I would kill for my car to hold 45 kW for a solid hour!
Extension cord in the car would be handy for these chargers.
Now that it's been 3 months later, how is this progressing? Magic Dock rollout seems to have gone silent, or dead.
In the UK tesla only opened a token amount of chargers, what makes you think they will do more than the bare minimum over there?
Maybe because non-tesla chargers here can be unreliable, and tesla could take a fair chunk of that charging market and make a profit. Otherwise yeah, they'd only likely do the bare minimum to get federal funding. Hopefully that's not the case and nearly every tesla location becomes CCS capable.
It’s the same here in Australia. Tesla opened a grand total of 5 charging stations.
My experience in the PNW is that EA and others are better located than Tesla chargers. Tesla SCs are optimized for cross country travel, while the rest choose shopping centers, malls, grocery stores and more centrally located areas.
I would argue that people are more often traveling 150-300 miles than they are going cross country. When I get to Portland from Seattle, I'm looking for a meal with friends or some shopping downtown while my I-Pace recharges. If I go to a Tesla SC, that's an extra stop. Tesla destination chargers are definitely better located, but I'm still more often finding charge point and Volta L2 stations where I need them.
ChargePoint in Volta offer free L2 in many locations and there's almost never an issue with L2. I see plenty of Tesla vehicless charging at free Charge point Stations in Amazon buildings in downtown Seattle for this very reason, and they tell me (because there's an unwritten law that EV owners must talk to one another at every encounter) that they avoid the crowded and out of the way chargers.
While the Tesla network is great for long distance travel, I can't imagine it ever being a more attractive option when compared to the more often medium range travel with the acceptable and cost effective options at the price point of EA and others. The city of Portland runs a network through Shell that offers a flat $5 fee for 2 hours worth of level 3 charging at the waterfront and other shopping center locations and you just suck in as many KW/h as you need and they tend not to be overcrowded like Tesla SCs.
I agree that opening up Tesla SCs is a very important move forward for EVs, but I think it really only benefits a minority of customers at the expense of Tesla owners who used to have exclusive rights to the network.
Kyle…. Others may have beat you to the Updated Charger, but no one has the level of trust like you do in terms of facts and perspective!
I just watched your “NEW” Circle K test Fast Chargers….. which experience did you find overall better (non-Tesla charging).
as a Tesla owner, I can’t imagine anything yet that rivals the ease and effectiveness of the Tesla Charging experience at a Tesla Supercharger
12:47 "It's pretty incredible that Tesla's opening up the network. I think it's actually the biggest shift in automotive... in electric vehicle automotive in a long long time. I don't think people realize how big of a deal this is. The reason it's such a big deal is our public charging networks across all of them the benchmark the best possible one out there sucks and then everyone else is worse than sucks. So it's really a shame that everyone saying buy electric, buy electric, buy electric. Here are all these options. We're incentivizing cars and then you just give everyone the worst ownership experience because it's a pain in the butt to charge the cars. Now that Tesla, which has mastered the charging game even for non-Tesla vehicles, is opening up the network, I think it's the saving grace to electric vehicles."