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I CANNOT believe I just spent THREE AND ONE HALF hours of my life watching this! I kept thinking I’d fast forward to the end. But as you all exclaimed over and over and over and over again and again, it was “freakin’ epic!” Bravo!!!
I think any "normal" person would just roll into any station at 15-20%, not have to worry that much about whatever surging problem, plug in, walk around whatever store is there for 30 minutes, and then come back out to a car with plenty of power to get another 300 miles down the road. It's cool to see these taken to the extreme for the sake of videos, and to see what is better, but it often just comes down to how the charging stations are that day (this includes the Superchargers, as there was a time or two he had to replug).
Truly one of the most fun adventures I’ve done, huge shoutout to both Kyle and Ryan for optimizing every last bit of juice these cars had making this a epic race! What a freakin blast this was!
So if you have CCS, you do your homework, research all the chargers, read the forums, and push it to the limit, then it's a coin flip between losing to the Tesla by a few hours, and losing to the Tesla by a few minutes.
2:30:53 this is the moment Kyle fumbled in his own end zone. You can see how gutted he is that he miscalculated which charger is at Frisco. This really shows how passionate Kyle is about what he does. Bravo Kyle. It is really hard to optimize charging like you do.
Lucid is so hard to optimize in the current charging station setting, if there were another driver driving it, it would be smoked big time. Honestly Lucid should gave something to Kyle.
@@anhta31they don’t. they just pay attention to the car trip planner or A Better Route Planner. Unless it’s a Tesla, it’ll be very error prone and frustrating.
1350 Miles in 24 hours in a 2018 Model 3 AWD LR. We got the call, my mom was in hospice, only a few days to live. After a couple of bad overnight drives, we have always stayed at hotel. We decided this trip warranted an over night drive. The Model 3 and the supercharger network performed flawlessly. The two things that stood out was autopilot and how comfortable the seats where for the passenger to sleep. We averaged 57 MPH. It was mostly in the Northeast and the Midwest, where the speed limits are 65-70 versus 75-80 for the race. The faster speeds might change the average speed.
I’d like to test the route planner and make a rule that you have to do what it recommends. That’s the way normal people will use them. Most people don’t have the specific expertise your team does.
Wow! Out of all of the races so far this one was my favorite. Crappy EA and traffic and one exit difference made this a real nail biter. Thank you Kyle and team for making these epic videos. I could never travel as much as you and you make it very educational and entertaining. I will get an electric because of this channel one day.
Well done Kyle for putting this together! 👏🏻 Great race - keep doing these, and long videos work very well. Kyle sending it at every opportunity 😂. This channel must have one of the highest percentage retention rate on long format 2 hour plus videos on TH-cam.
What a fantastic series guys. Incredibly educational and this is the kind of content that will really help with EV adoption in the future. EV companies need to downplay the “total range at 100%” number. I understand that marketing wise it is what ICE drivers understand but the usefulness of the driving distance on a 100% charge is interesting at best and misleading at worst. I hope they focus on and improve the overall charging curve of these vehicles. How fast my EV can DC charge from 1%-80% is a far more important metric than overall miles. The longer an EV can hold 250-350Kw during a charging session creates far more time savings on road trips than the extra mileage you may get one time off your 100% home charge. When I roadtrip in my EV I still never charge to 100% at home because I charge up as much as I need to to comfortably get to my first charging stop and then begin the charger hopping experience. I get that for serious road warriors stopping every 150 miles is not acceptable, but for those of us with kids and pets it’s hardly a sacrifice. I just want those stops to be 1) filled with reliable charging infrastructure that delivers the kw it advertises, 2) the car charging curve to accept that max power for as long as possible before massively tapering off (up to 70%-80% would be amazing), and 3) there to be some minimal amenities where we stop for food and bathroom breaks. Can’t wait for your next series like this.
I’ve almost never had good charging speeds with EA Chargers. At a charger, get 40’ish. Brutal numbers. The limited times I’ve used EA chargers, typically 3 out of 6 chargers are actually working. This is in WA. I think one out of ten I get over 100Kw. Maybe it’s a west coast thing?
Great video! Back in July of last year these were the three cars that were on my short list. Lucid was #3, Porsche was #2. The Plaid was my selection in large part because of the superior charging network. I've done 9,500 miles of road tripping since then, my longest road trip was 4,700 miles during Thanksgiving week, and not once did I have to wait for a charger. I don't know about the other cars, but the Plaid was so smooth and comfortable I've had four 1,000+ mile drive days.
Epic race, I'm from France and finally has the same feeling, tesla superchargers make your life so easy. I did 1200km in 2 days with a small model3 sr+ and it was a nice and smooth experience. Your 3 hours video required me to split the viewing in several times but it is nice to come back to it as soon as you have a break and enjoy that race. Good job... I was listening to the tires screaming on arrival, was really fun and suspens was there, I was even afraid of an accident occurring with these powerful cars... Take care, and once again, good job.;-)
What a great video. Made all the miles on the treadmill go by without a thought! OOS makes great stuff, this one kind of felt like grown-up Stand By Me. Let’s see a $33,000 Ioniq 6 RWD on 18’s take them all down!!!!!!! Thanks Ryan, Colton and Kyle!
We need a 4th driving an ice Merc S580 along side. Just to see how slow these EV's are. While the S580 driver blasts full AC and massage seats in comfort the entire way.
Entertaining content! But If these cars were so close in a 12hr race, then it doesn't matter in terms of which one is a good road tripper. All of these are good. Kyle was complaining about Lucid most of the time. But I would take the comfort of lucid any day on such long trips.
Kind of surprised me how good the Porsche did. I figured the Tesla would do better simply due to charging statons. Like significantly better. I'd take the Lucid myzelf. Hopefully they don't go bankrupt as for all intent and purposes I have read they are the better cars, but Tesla can pop out new cars faster with newer innovations. Now I want to see other EVs. Seen a new vehicle on the road a month ago. Didn't know what it was as the vehicle had a logo I've never seen, but it was an EV due to the acceleration, and looked absolutely sick. Turned out to be a Kia EV6 GT and I couldn't believe it. I detested Kias my whole life. Cars of uber woke college kids. Crap range, but it is ridiculously fast for the price. Yet I would buy it just cause it is supposed to be really fun to deive.
@dianapennepacker6854 The lucid had a pile of issues while they filmed this, crazy unreliable. Also Kyle needed an encyclopedia of knowledge on charges to keep it close. This is why Kyle said tesla was the best at the end.
Thank you for posting it as one video instead of breaking it up. That was absolutely fantastic. Thank you Kyle, Coleton and Ryan. Looking forward to next race to Vegas. Would be fun to see you do a tow to Vegas video when you get your hands on R1T, Lightning, Silverado and CyberTruck
Kyle....first off...THANKS SO MUCH!!!! for the content you create and what you do for the EV community. I love watching the Out of Spec channels and your content is very informative and entertaining. Second...I have an idea for you. Now that we have seen what expert road trippers can do in these cars, I think the public and I would love to see what would happen if this race was done from a different perspective. That is, making the same trip but doing as a Non-road tripping expert. Just punching in your destination and following the car's trip planner. Let's see how long it would take the car and the charging infrastructure to get just your normal Joe that knows nothing about EV road tripping to the destination and/or back. After all the goal of most, if not all, EV manufacturers is to make it as easy and simple to travel with these cars as possible. I hope you will consider my suggestion.
Unfortunately trip planning is a necessity for any EV driver. If you choose more budget options, some EVs don't even give you a competent trip planner at all (like E-GMP cars with Gen 5W infotainment system). The best solution I'd say is just to use ABRP (a better route planner) and not bother with most in-car nav or trip planning.
@@ArtiePenguin1 I have been driving a Tesla for 4 years now. Travel up and down the East Coast many times and I simply follow the Tesla default trip planning and have never had an issue. Are you saying I would have a problem in a Tesla going coast to coast? Or are you saying if you drive a non-Tesla, you have to plan your trip? Honest question.
@tomkennedy3123 No, my comment was only referring to most non-Teslas requiring trip planning. There are only a few manufacturers who do trip planning almost as good as Tesla. Some like Polestar and Porche come to mind.
Man, This was epic! I cannot believe that I just spent all that amount of time watching this but I just loved every single minute of it. Well done to all of you and to sum up I guess you could say "it's not about the car but all about the infrastructure". super entertainment!
Fantastic videos. I watched all three episodes. The editing and commentary on this was possibly the best I have ever seen on Out of Spec. The finish was epic and again your editing and capturing that tiree squealing finish left me sweaty-handed. And as you pointed out the Tesla Super Charger network really shined here which has been my experience. I have taken quite a few long trips in my Mode Y and while I have learned a lot of skills about how to road trip efficiently from watching these videos I am no way in the league of you three. What a race!
Great video, Model S Plaid is King. My Model S Plaid on 19" wheels gives about 40-60 miles more per charge than on 21" wheels. Would love to see that next time.
This is the VERY FIRST video I've watched from you. And It WAS 3 Hours and 33 minutes long... I watched every second and enjoyed all of it. Thank you!🙃😃
That Tesla Navi jumping up on arrival % in the battery , after disconnecting from the charger is a bug....had it in my Europe trip more then once... the arrival % showing while charging are pretty right if you go 5mph up you loose some %...
What happened at the superchafger at 2:51:00 likely is that the first cabinet which was tried is limited to like 130kW somehow. The second cabinet however is limited to a total of 270kW like a normal V3 cabinet ist. So in total there might be around 400kW of power available to all Supercharger stalls combined. As 3 cars were charging there the Model S didn't get the 250kW as the DC converters simply were on their limits. Then the other cars tapered of and the speed for the Model S increased. Generally V3 Superchargers with only 4 or 8 Stalls might be slower than V2 Supechargers as the total power available is less than on V2.
in these videos it shocking how much issues there still are with charging. After all those years. Still moving cars from plug to plug, trying 3 times to start it up, plugging in hoping you hear some relays clicking..
Model S trip planner issues: I had one trip where I was going from a ChargePoint DC fast charger near Northwood, IA, to the Tesla Supercharger in Eagan, MN. The distance is 99 miles, and the trip planner was estimating that I would get there with 74% SoC, leaving the ChargePoint with 90%. Mind you, this is on I-35 traversing much flatter terrain in southern Minnesota.
Really a fun video. With that said having to turn off the AC (when it's 110), hoping a charging station unit is free and works, waiting or long periods of time to charge, all the planning that has to go in to figuring out how to get to your destination, I'm not ready to give up my ICE vehicles. I don't have to think about it. I fill, up the vehicle, use the facilities, and I'm out of there in five to ten minutes. There's no anxiety with an ICE vehicle. When you get low on fuel there's always a gas station only a few miles away and they all work. I like EV's a lot but the technology and infrastructure has to continue to improve. I will own an EV someday. Just not yet. Cheers!!!
Wish you guys would have talked more about the autopilot-equivalent systems on the other cars. (Dream drive, and ?). If I was doing road trips like this I would dreamt a good ‘auto driving’ highway system.
Great covering and watched it as the end of my working week - also the length is great, don't chop it up. It was really close at the end which is the best for a tense race movie :)
What an interesting journey! Thanks a lot for sharing this in such level of detail. Is there a particular reason why the Taycan was not driven in its most efficient „Range“ mode?
I did 10,000 mile trip last summer, Y heavily loaded. The heat affected range more than I expected but I never turned it off. Went through Colorado and think I hit a few of your stops as I headed to Las Vegas
I started watching this 4am. Went to work at 5. Worked 8 hrs, came home cut the grass and watched the last two hours. I don’t own an electric vehicle, however, this was extremely entertaining. The editing was on point. Great job on that. Next should be a cannonball run for EV. That would be awesome.
Great video! For next time, I'd suggest running ICE car as well, just for a benchmark. ICE car will still need to stop for refuel as well as restroom breaks! I bet difference is not going to be that large
Great video guys, very informative. Answers a lot of questions i had getting into a possible EV at some point. Especially long distance runs. Now, just a waiting period for CT production. Good stuff!
I own a lucid. You can manually turn on preconditioning when you’re about twenty minutes away. As you drive past whatever the car said you should do the car recalculates automatically and goes to the next option.
You guys are fricking insane!!!! I’m so jealous, and at the same time so happy for watching these 3 videos as a spectator. The last one is epic, even being a 3.5+ hours!!!!! 😅😅😅 Thank you so much for all the content specially to Kyle, but today to the three of you! Greetings from a Spaniard living in south Cal. 👋🏼👋🏼👋🏼
This was comparable if not better then a full night movie. Congrats! It was amazing to see for long trips what are the different platforms are capable of.
Well done, so great to see EV road trippers that actually knows what they are doing! Here in Denmark youtubers/car magazines thinks they are showing how EV road trips are but in reality they are charging to +90% everytime and arriving with ~30%, also usually they want all the EVs to be charging at the exact same locations. - and when we tell them they are doing it all wrong and could easily be 2-3 hours faster they just ignores us. Cannot wait for the next road trip or cannonball attempt😎
Have you considered using the updated a better route planner (ABRP) and super charger info webpages? The best ABRP route planning for the Model S Plaid appears to be Beaver, UT (250 kW for 30 minutes), Green River, UT (150 for 21), Parachute, CO (250 for 13), and Edwards, CO (250 for 19). (83 charging minutes) In dire contrast, the Tesla Trip Planner suggests St. George, UT (250 for 15), Beaver, UT (250 for 10), Richfield, UT (150 for 25 ONLY 4 STALLS), Green River, UT (150 for 20), Grand Junction, CO (150 for 25), and Glenwood Springs, CO (150 for 55). (153 charging minutes). That is an extra 70 minutes of charging and 2 more stops (est. 20 minutes of driving time) using the Tesla Trip Planner. Clearly the Tesla Trip Planner is not ready for prime time trip planning.
It seemed like Colton had ABRP on his iPhone for backup but didn't deviate too much from Tesla's trip planning. Agreed on ABRP being pretty good when it comes to calculating charging stops. For me in an EV6 with no route planning, ABRP is a godsend.
Porsche is planning to switch to Tesla charging by 2025, just like Rivian and Mercedes-Benz. This move is expected to improve the charging infrastructure for all electric vehicles, given that most people rely solely on their home charger. As a Porsche owner myself, I'm hopeful this will be a positive change.
One of the last few updates have really made Tesla's G-o-M wonky. I've found the initial percentage it shows while charging is pretty close to what you'll actually get there with if you stay around the speed limit. Big elevation changes uses a bit more than it thinks, I don't think the route planner has enough map granularity to account for those small bursts of power. I basically ignore the big swings in estimated % on arrival. Also, I don't recommend wrapping the handle. The important temp is the contacts, cooling the outer layer of the handle won't affect the pin temps much, if at all, and only risks melting things. They should have put the temp sensor right on the pins so it couldn't be affected by the handle much. Good thing they'll slowly be replaced anyway.
This was both entertaining and informative. It definitely solidified my allegiance to my gas powered vehicle and diesel semi. I don’t have the brain power to deal with all of these calculations and worrying about types of charging stations, battery temps/conditioning, all of the other variables that influence how it charges. Wild ride though.
Race to Vegas The Return 3 hours 34 minutes, The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 2 hours 58 minutes!! Race to Vegas The Return definitely better, well done all 3 of you.
I drove up to and then back from Lincoln, New Hampshire from Fairfield, CT this weekend in my Model 3 long range....and I noticed the route planner well over estimated the SOC arrival initially and then did some bouncing back and forth and eventually settled in about 8% lower than the initial estimate and was accurate at that point...this is not how it was my first year or so of ownership...I got where I was going easily though so not a big deal and I have gotten used to this but for someone new to a Tesla I could see it being a concern.
2:56:20 Or it could mean only 1 of 2 power cabinets is connected to that Signet dispenser. It happens quite frequently at ABB stations due to degraded/broken power modules. It might not be mislabeled, just degraded.
Great video! As a Taycan owner I was rooting for it, but the unreliable EA network is really the biggest downside of this car. If I was taking more than 3-4 long EV road trips per year I’d probably change to a Tesla and it’s supercharger network. Porsche (and Lucid, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Rivian, etc.) have to fix this or roll over and adopt Teslas charging standard. Porsche / Audi nicely show what they can do in Europe, but EA is a huge disservice to electric mobile.
3 spectacular hrs later and man I really enjoyed this video. I streamed it like a Netflix movie😂 and the best part was the tension building up at the end of the video. All these cars are wonderful. 🔥🔥
Another amazing video! 3 hours was easy - and I walked out of Oppenheimer because it was so boring and 3+ hours! My only question… why not have all the AC set to 72 (or whatever) on all cars all the time to eliminate that variable and make it truly about the car & infrastructure?
I'd say individual driver comfort. But there should be a few more rules regarding AC usage. They should be allowed a band of say 5 to 10 degrees where climate can be set it but AC needs to remain enabled during the entire drive while in motion. As in they can only turn off their AC during charging stops. That would eliminate some variables when Kyle was driving with no AC but windows cracked in the Lucid.
Damn that Lucid Air is catching up to my 2013 hyndai elantra that gets a 520mile range on highway on gas of course, but that lucid with a range of 500 is very impressive
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@@Craigi123Something tells me all three of them would go with the Taycan or Air.
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Well that was all went a bit...DOKI DOKI MORNING....(PopTart) and not ...META TARO BLURAY.... (Kipper) For the wee "special" ones "THE BOTTOM OF BARREGARROW" (Breakfast club)
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I CANNOT believe I just spent THREE AND ONE HALF hours of my life watching this!
I kept thinking I’d fast forward to the end. But as you all exclaimed over and over and over and over again and again, it was “freakin’ epic!”
Bravo!!!
Same first time I fully watch a video this long, overall great video no regrets!
Good to listen to while doing something else. 😊
Three hours I would never get back. Based on the first four minutes of the blather, I knew I would never make it another minute further.
Kyle: AHHH FULL SEND; Colton: AHHH DONT WANT TO SHARE POWER; Ryan: It’s like an angry frog hahah; I f***ing loved this video.
Hahaha
Isn't the Lucid limited on Tesla Superchargers too? It will still be at a disadvantage.
@@a.j.robertson4623yes Lucid has horrible hardware
no its because its 800v and tesla is only 400v
dont know how its bad hardware when its 25-50% more efficient than the model s@@leanderzulu3494
Tesla superchargers can't handle the voltage Lucid needs yet. Version 4 superchargers should fix that.
Crazy how much station knowledge you need just to drive the Lucid
No sh-t. Brutal.
I think any "normal" person would just roll into any station at 15-20%, not have to worry that much about whatever surging problem, plug in, walk around whatever store is there for 30 minutes, and then come back out to a car with plenty of power to get another 300 miles down the road. It's cool to see these taken to the extreme for the sake of videos, and to see what is better, but it often just comes down to how the charging stations are that day (this includes the Superchargers, as there was a time or two he had to replug).
Truly one of the most fun adventures I’ve done, huge shoutout to both Kyle and Ryan for optimizing every last bit of juice these cars had making this a epic race! What a freakin blast this was!
Thank u for making us proud, Colton! 😁
Colton, Ryan, and Kyle make a great road trip team! 52K views for a 3 hour video is darn good!
Tytyty sm for doin what u do soldier
CCS charging is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.
Box of cheap chocolates! Unreal how unreliable it can be.
Mamma always told me Signet is as Signet surges.
@@Ed20942 😁
CCS chargers and CCS cars goes together like peas and carrots.
@@kevincurry4735 😅
For me, one of the best aspects to this video was the cooperative competition instead of cut-throat competition. This made it far more enjoyable.
Probably the first time I watched a TH-cam video that was 3 and a half hours long without skipping forward.
So if you have CCS, you do your homework, research all the chargers, read the forums, and push it to the limit, then it's a coin flip between losing to the Tesla by a few hours, and losing to the Tesla by a few minutes.
Great comment. This made me laugh! Fact is often funnier than fiction.
And if you have chademo just cry in a corner
2:30:53 this is the moment Kyle fumbled in his own end zone. You can see how gutted he is that he miscalculated which charger is at Frisco. This really shows how passionate Kyle is about what he does. Bravo Kyle. It is really hard to optimize charging like you do.
Lucid is so hard to optimize in the current charging station setting, if there were another driver driving it, it would be smoked big time. Honestly Lucid should gave something to Kyle.
it's bceause of signet chargers, not the car@@suvari225
But if the expert in consumer charging needs to think this much to figure it out, hows the average consumer supposed to figure it out?
@@anhta31they don’t. they just pay attention to the car trip planner or A Better Route Planner. Unless it’s a Tesla, it’ll be very error prone and frustrating.
@@DelPhonic1 credit to Kyle in the Lucid, he put up a good fight all the way to the end
1350 Miles in 24 hours in a 2018 Model 3 AWD LR. We got the call, my mom was in hospice, only a few days to live. After a couple of bad overnight drives, we have always stayed at hotel. We decided this trip warranted an over night drive. The Model 3 and the supercharger network performed flawlessly. The two things that stood out was autopilot and how comfortable the seats where for the passenger to sleep. We averaged 57 MPH. It was mostly in the Northeast and the Midwest, where the speed limits are 65-70 versus 75-80 for the race. The faster speeds might change the average speed.
I think I head the words “ripped, charging curve, and epic” more in these 3 videos than in my entire life😂. Enjoyed every minute of it.
great race... things got really exciting when you were all at the Edwards station at the same time. The ending just shows that all 3 models are great
Now a race to Vegas in reverse would be interesting……… backing up all the way would give the reversing cams a work out!
with 16mph speed limit will take a few business days to get there
I’d like to test the route planner and make a rule that you have to do what it recommends. That’s the way normal people will use them. Most people don’t have the specific expertise your team does.
I love this idea.
100% agree
Totally agreed
Tesla win every time.
Wow, I can’t believe I sat and watched about 97% of this video without skipping through!!! I guess I better get back to work…😬
I really hope they do this race again once all of the EVs can all use the Tesla charging network.
Tesla restricts the Lucid charging speeds compared to EA, when the charger is working properly
@@jackylsmith8138a Lucid can’t use a Tesla DC charger 🔌 yet. It won’t do anything right now.
I think Tesla will increase the voltage on V3 so they can handle high volt batteries like lucid, taycan and the EGMP platform.
@@LearningFastI it can with magic dock superchargers
@@stevenichols4639They can't increase the voltage on V3s without changing the DC cabinets first.
Wow! Out of all of the races so far this one was my favorite. Crappy EA and traffic and one exit difference made this a real nail biter. Thank you Kyle and team for making these epic videos. I could never travel as much as you and you make it very educational and entertaining. I will get an electric because of this channel one day.
3:26:00 The ending was awsome with so close between second and third place.
Well done Kyle for putting this together! 👏🏻 Great race - keep doing these, and long videos work very well. Kyle sending it at every opportunity 😂. This channel must have one of the highest percentage retention rate on long format 2 hour plus videos on TH-cam.
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This might be the best week ever! So many long videos! I love it!!!
This is the Formula one of EV racing, love these competitions!
This is a fantastically fun video. Can't believe I just watched it all at 2* speed which made it seem even more frantic 🤣
57:39 I have never seen a Semi Truck 🚛 with 3 trailers like that. I guess some states allow that. I know NC doesn’t allow that at all.
Can’t wait to watch this whole video. This is a great test and a really entertaining video.
What a fantastic series guys. Incredibly educational and this is the kind of content that will really help with EV adoption in the future.
EV companies need to downplay the “total range at 100%” number. I understand that marketing wise it is what ICE drivers understand but the usefulness of the driving distance on a 100% charge is interesting at best and misleading at worst.
I hope they focus on and improve the overall charging curve of these vehicles. How fast my EV can DC charge from 1%-80% is a far more important metric than overall miles. The longer an EV can hold 250-350Kw during a charging session creates far more time savings on road trips than the extra mileage you may get one time off your 100% home charge.
When I roadtrip in my EV I still never charge to 100% at home because I charge up as much as I need to to comfortably get to my first charging stop and then begin the charger hopping experience. I get that for serious road warriors stopping every 150 miles is not acceptable, but for those of us with kids and pets it’s hardly a sacrifice. I just want those stops to be 1) filled with reliable charging infrastructure that delivers the kw it advertises, 2) the car charging curve to accept that max power for as long as possible before massively tapering off (up to 70%-80% would be amazing), and 3) there to be some minimal amenities where we stop for food and bathroom breaks.
Can’t wait for your next series like this.
I’ve almost never had good charging speeds with EA Chargers. At a charger, get 40’ish. Brutal numbers. The limited times I’ve used EA chargers, typically 3 out of 6 chargers are actually working. This is in WA. I think one out of ten I get over 100Kw. Maybe it’s a west coast thing?
Great video! Back in July of last year these were the three cars that were on my short list. Lucid was #3, Porsche was #2. The Plaid was my selection in large part because of the superior charging network. I've done 9,500 miles of road tripping since then, my longest road trip was 4,700 miles during Thanksgiving week, and not once did I have to wait for a charger. I don't know about the other cars, but the Plaid was so smooth and comfortable I've had four 1,000+ mile drive days.
This is the best content on youtube. You all did really well and kept the excitement going right to the end.
Epic race, I'm from France and finally has the same feeling, tesla superchargers make your life so easy. I did 1200km in 2 days with a small model3 sr+ and it was a nice and smooth experience.
Your 3 hours video required me to split the viewing in several times but it is nice to come back to it as soon as you have a break and enjoy that race. Good job...
I was listening to the tires screaming on arrival, was really fun and suspens was there, I was even afraid of an accident occurring with these powerful cars...
Take care, and once again, good job.;-)
You guys just showed me how far they still have to go.
Great race and what an ending! Congratulations on editing this beast too! 🤣
What a great video. Made all the miles on the treadmill go by without a thought! OOS makes great stuff, this one kind of felt like grown-up Stand By Me.
Let’s see a $33,000 Ioniq 6 RWD on 18’s take them all down!!!!!!!
Thanks Ryan, Colton and Kyle!
We need a 4th driving an ice Merc S580 along side. Just to see how slow these EV's are. While the S580 driver blasts full AC and massage seats in comfort the entire way.
It will smoke these EVs
Entertaining content! But If these cars were so close in a 12hr race, then it doesn't matter in terms of which one is a good road tripper. All of these are good.
Kyle was complaining about Lucid most of the time. But I would take the comfort of lucid any day on such long trips.
Kind of surprised me how good the Porsche did.
I figured the Tesla would do better simply due to charging statons. Like significantly better.
I'd take the Lucid myzelf. Hopefully they don't go bankrupt as for all intent and purposes I have read they are the better cars, but Tesla can pop out new cars faster with newer innovations.
Now I want to see other EVs. Seen a new vehicle on the road a month ago. Didn't know what it was as the vehicle had a logo I've never seen, but it was an EV due to the acceleration, and looked absolutely sick.
Turned out to be a Kia EV6 GT and I couldn't believe it. I detested Kias my whole life. Cars of uber woke college kids.
Crap range, but it is ridiculously fast for the price. Yet I would buy it just cause it is supposed to be really fun to deive.
@dianapennepacker6854 The lucid had a pile of issues while they filmed this, crazy unreliable. Also Kyle needed an encyclopedia of knowledge on charges to keep it close. This is why Kyle said tesla was the best at the end.
Thank you for posting it as one video instead of breaking it up. That was absolutely fantastic. Thank you Kyle, Coleton and Ryan.
Looking forward to next race to Vegas. Would be fun to see you do a tow to Vegas video when you get your hands on R1T, Lightning, Silverado and CyberTruck
Kyle....first off...THANKS SO MUCH!!!! for the content you create and what you do for the EV community. I love watching the Out of Spec channels and your content is very informative and entertaining. Second...I have an idea for you. Now that we have seen what expert road trippers can do in these cars, I think the public and I would love to see what would happen if this race was done from a different perspective. That is, making the same trip but doing as a Non-road tripping expert. Just punching in your destination and following the car's trip planner. Let's see how long it would take the car and the charging infrastructure to get just your normal Joe that knows nothing about EV road tripping to the destination and/or back. After all the goal of most, if not all, EV manufacturers is to make it as easy and simple to travel with these cars as possible. I hope you will consider my suggestion.
Unfortunately trip planning is a necessity for any EV driver. If you choose more budget options, some EVs don't even give you a competent trip planner at all (like E-GMP cars with Gen 5W infotainment system). The best solution I'd say is just to use ABRP (a better route planner) and not bother with most in-car nav or trip planning.
@@ArtiePenguin1 I have been driving a Tesla for 4 years now. Travel up and down the East Coast many times and I simply follow the Tesla default trip planning and have never had an issue. Are you saying I would have a problem in a Tesla going coast to coast? Or are you saying if you drive a non-Tesla, you have to plan your trip? Honest question.
@tomkennedy3123 No, my comment was only referring to most non-Teslas requiring trip planning. There are only a few manufacturers who do trip planning almost as good as Tesla. Some like Polestar and Porche come to mind.
Man, This was epic! I cannot believe that I just spent all that amount of time watching this but I just loved every single minute of it. Well done to all of you and to sum up I guess you could say "it's not about the car but all about the infrastructure". super entertainment!
Fantastic videos. I watched all three episodes. The editing and commentary on this was possibly the best I have ever seen on Out of Spec. The finish was epic and again your editing and capturing that tiree squealing finish left me sweaty-handed. And as you pointed out the Tesla Super Charger network really shined here which has been my experience. I have taken quite a few long trips in my Mode Y and while I have learned a lot of skills about how to road trip efficiently from watching these videos I am no way in the league of you three. What a race!
Great video, Model S Plaid is King. My Model S Plaid on 19" wheels gives about 40-60 miles more per charge than on 21" wheels. Would love to see that next
time.
always amazed when i see how different the traveling styles are, comparing europe and the US.
This is the VERY FIRST video I've watched from you. And It WAS 3 Hours and 33 minutes long... I watched every second and enjoyed all of it. Thank you!🙃😃
That Tesla Navi jumping up on arrival % in the battery , after disconnecting from the charger is a bug....had it in my Europe trip more then once... the arrival % showing while charging are pretty right if you go 5mph up you loose some %...
What happened at the superchafger at 2:51:00 likely is that the first cabinet which was tried is limited to like 130kW somehow.
The second cabinet however is limited to a total of 270kW like a normal V3 cabinet ist. So in total there might be around 400kW of power available to all Supercharger stalls combined. As 3 cars were charging there the Model S didn't get the 250kW as the DC converters simply were on their limits. Then the other cars tapered of and the speed for the Model S increased.
Generally V3 Superchargers with only 4 or 8 Stalls might be slower than V2 Supechargers as the total power available is less than on V2.
“Race to Vegas in reverse”
“Race to Clear Detailing”
“Race to Fort Collins”
“Race to Windsor”
How about…
“Race FROM Vegas?” 😂
I was literally just thinking that
Yes, that's what I was thinking. Just call it Race From Vegas.
in these videos it shocking how much issues there still are with charging. After all those years. Still moving cars from plug to plug, trying 3 times to start it up, plugging in hoping you hear some relays clicking..
Ea only started in 2018. Tesla sc 2013.
This is the best 3.5 hour video on YT, no contest.
Model S trip planner issues: I had one trip where I was going from a ChargePoint DC fast charger near Northwood, IA, to the Tesla Supercharger in Eagan, MN. The distance is 99 miles, and the trip planner was estimating that I would get there with 74% SoC, leaving the ChargePoint with 90%. Mind you, this is on I-35 traversing much flatter terrain in southern Minnesota.
Great video! I am worried about the windshield chip on the Taycan... I hope it can be easily fixed :)
Really a fun video. With that said having to turn off the AC (when it's 110), hoping a charging station unit is free and works, waiting or long periods of time to charge, all the planning that has to go in to figuring out how to get to your destination, I'm not ready to give up my ICE vehicles. I don't have to think about it. I fill, up the vehicle, use the facilities, and I'm out of there in five to ten minutes. There's no anxiety with an ICE vehicle. When you get low on fuel there's always a gas station only a few miles away and they all work. I like EV's a lot but the technology and infrastructure has to continue to improve. I will own an EV someday. Just not yet. Cheers!!!
Wish you guys would have talked more about the autopilot-equivalent systems on the other cars. (Dream drive, and ?). If I was doing road trips like this I would dreamt a good ‘auto driving’ highway system.
Great covering and watched it as the end of my working week - also the length is great, don't chop it up. It was really close at the end which is the best for a tense race movie :)
Greatest skill of Kyle is surrounding himself with awesomely nice people. Thoroughly enjoyed the 3 part mini series.
What an interesting journey! Thanks a lot for sharing this in such level of detail. Is there a particular reason why the Taycan was not driven in its most efficient „Range“ mode?
I did 10,000 mile trip last summer, Y heavily loaded. The heat affected range more than I expected but I never turned it off. Went through Colorado and think I hit a few of your stops as I headed to Las Vegas
Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste and Thank You for All your efforts to support this Great Cause 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ✌ 🌷 ☮ ❤
I started watching this 4am. Went to work at 5. Worked 8 hrs, came home cut the grass and watched the last two hours. I don’t own an electric vehicle, however, this was extremely entertaining. The editing was on point. Great job on that. Next should be a cannonball run for EV. That would be awesome.
Great video! For next time, I'd suggest running ICE car as well, just for a benchmark. ICE car will still need to stop for refuel as well as restroom breaks! I bet difference is not going to be that large
Ganapathy is the real winner.
Yes lol
Moral of the story, Google Maps > Apple Maps
All 3 are proven to be good road tripper. To me, creature comfort is most important after a long day of road tripping. For that Lucid Air wins!
I can't believe I binge-watched hours of video about EV nerds racing to and from Las Vegas. Very nicely done!
New set of tires at 12.5k miles? Whatever you save on gas you spend on tires.
Great video guys, very informative. Answers a lot of questions i had getting into a possible EV at some point. Especially long distance runs. Now, just a waiting period for CT production. Good stuff!
Very capable bike. I just got one and it’s a blast. Brakes are loud though.
Epic! Great video. Ryan is awesome…..his presentation skills have really improved.
I own a lucid. You can manually turn on preconditioning when you’re about twenty minutes away. As you drive past whatever the car said you should do the car recalculates automatically and goes to the next option.
You guys are fricking insane!!!! I’m so jealous, and at the same time so happy for watching these 3 videos as a spectator. The last one is epic, even being a 3.5+ hours!!!!! 😅😅😅 Thank you so much for all the content specially to Kyle, but today to the three of you! Greetings from a Spaniard living in south Cal. 👋🏼👋🏼👋🏼
That ending!!!! Fastest 3.5 hours of my life ha
This was comparable if not better then a full night movie. Congrats! It was amazing to see for long trips what are the different platforms are capable of.
Well done, so great to see EV road trippers that actually knows what they are doing!
Here in Denmark youtubers/car magazines thinks they are showing how EV road trips are but in reality they are charging to +90% everytime and arriving with ~30%, also usually they want all the EVs to be charging at the exact same locations. - and when we tell them they are doing it all wrong and could easily be 2-3 hours faster they just ignores us.
Cannot wait for the next road trip or cannonball attempt😎
To use Kyle's favorite word: EPIC video especially the ending with the Taycan and Lucid racing to the finish. I had a blast watching.
Have you considered using the updated a better route planner (ABRP) and super charger info webpages? The best ABRP route planning for the Model S Plaid appears to be Beaver, UT (250 kW for 30 minutes), Green River, UT (150 for 21), Parachute, CO (250 for 13), and Edwards, CO (250 for 19). (83 charging minutes)
In dire contrast, the Tesla Trip Planner suggests St. George, UT (250 for 15), Beaver, UT (250 for 10), Richfield, UT (150 for 25 ONLY 4 STALLS), Green River, UT (150 for 20), Grand Junction, CO (150 for 25), and Glenwood Springs, CO (150 for 55). (153 charging minutes). That is an extra 70 minutes of charging and 2 more stops (est. 20 minutes of driving time) using the Tesla Trip Planner. Clearly the Tesla Trip Planner is not ready for prime time trip planning.
It seemed like Colton had ABRP on his iPhone for backup but didn't deviate too much from Tesla's trip planning. Agreed on ABRP being pretty good when it comes to calculating charging stops. For me in an EV6 with no route planning, ABRP is a godsend.
Porsche is planning to switch to Tesla charging by 2025, just like Rivian and Mercedes-Benz. This move is expected to improve the charging infrastructure for all electric vehicles, given that most people rely solely on their home charger. As a Porsche owner myself, I'm hopeful this will be a positive change.
One of the last few updates have really made Tesla's G-o-M wonky. I've found the initial percentage it shows while charging is pretty close to what you'll actually get there with if you stay around the speed limit. Big elevation changes uses a bit more than it thinks, I don't think the route planner has enough map granularity to account for those small bursts of power.
I basically ignore the big swings in estimated % on arrival.
Also, I don't recommend wrapping the handle. The important temp is the contacts, cooling the outer layer of the handle won't affect the pin temps much, if at all, and only risks melting things. They should have put the temp sensor right on the pins so it couldn't be affected by the handle much. Good thing they'll slowly be replaced anyway.
You all make the best videos, excellent content for a Friday afternoon
That finisher was a perfect climax!
This was both entertaining and informative. It definitely solidified my allegiance to my gas powered vehicle and diesel semi. I don’t have the brain power to deal with all of these calculations and worrying about types of charging stations, battery temps/conditioning, all of the other variables that influence how it charges. Wild ride though.
I like how at 14:52 you can see all three guys waving their hands around recording their respective intros at the same time lol
Race to Vegas The Return 3 hours 34 minutes, The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 2 hours 58 minutes!! Race to Vegas The Return definitely better, well done all 3 of you.
1:16:05 I love Ryan's comment of the "most exciting part of the trip", the Intersection of I 15 and I 70. LOL!!! Great road trip!!!
Wow this video was so cool to watch. Seeing the different stops happening then all arriving within 20 minute window is quite impressive.
This was just brilliant! Watched it all in one stretch! Very well done, guys 👏🏾👏🏾 👏🏾
Me 8 hours ago: No way I watch this whole damn thing.
Me now: I just finished the whole damn thing. AWESOME!
Thanks for the great series. What a great ending. Thoroughly enjoyed watching! 👏
I drove up to and then back from Lincoln, New Hampshire from Fairfield, CT this weekend in my Model 3 long range....and I noticed the route planner well over estimated the SOC arrival initially and then did some bouncing back and forth and eventually settled in about 8% lower than the initial estimate and was accurate at that point...this is not how it was my first year or so of ownership...I got where I was going easily though so not a big deal and I have gotten used to this but for someone new to a Tesla I could see it being a concern.
I enjoyed every tire squealing second of this!
2:56:20 Or it could mean only 1 of 2 power cabinets is connected to that Signet dispenser. It happens quite frequently at ABB stations due to degraded/broken power modules. It might not be mislabeled, just degraded.
Great video! As a Taycan owner I was rooting for it, but the unreliable EA network is really the biggest downside of this car.
If I was taking more than 3-4 long EV road trips per year I’d probably change to a Tesla and it’s supercharger network. Porsche (and Lucid, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Rivian, etc.) have to fix this or roll over and adopt Teslas charging standard. Porsche / Audi nicely show what they can do in Europe, but EA is a huge disservice to electric mobile.
3 spectacular hrs later and man I really enjoyed this video. I streamed it like a Netflix movie😂 and the best part was the tension building up at the end of the video. All these cars are wonderful. 🔥🔥
Wow. Longest video on Out of Spec till date?
I think so! Other than livestreams
Got the shiny climate control switches and rest till the Lucid logo on right side Wrapped in silver grey to stop the glare.
Bigger battery Teslas like Plaid, have another 30 miles of range past zero per design. He didn’t need the last stop.
Amazing trip and vid, guys!!
Another amazing video! 3 hours was easy - and I walked out of Oppenheimer because it was so boring and 3+ hours! My only question… why not have all the AC set to 72 (or whatever) on all cars all the time to eliminate that variable and make it truly about the car & infrastructure?
I'd say individual driver comfort. But there should be a few more rules regarding AC usage. They should be allowed a band of say 5 to 10 degrees where climate can be set it but AC needs to remain enabled during the entire drive while in motion. As in they can only turn off their AC during charging stops. That would eliminate some variables when Kyle was driving with no AC but windows cracked in the Lucid.
Watched the entire video. It kept the suspense all the way to the end, and what an ending indeed!
I love road trip videos…. This was well done and very entertaining. Great job fellas!
That was Epic!!! My Apple Watch said my heart rate exceeded 120 bpm 4 times!!! Nice job everyone! Except Signet. FIX YOUR F***ING CHARGERS SIGNET!!!!!
The Taycan is still my favourite on this race. I would love to see how this trio would do once NACS becomes standardized.
Damn that Lucid Air is catching up to my 2013 hyndai elantra that gets a 520mile range on highway on gas of course, but that lucid with a range of 500 is very impressive