🛠Barra Turbo 1000cc Bosch Fuel Injector Upgrade! Will the BA XR6 Turbo still run?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ส.ค. 2024
- My quest for more power from my BA Falcon XR6 Turbo continues - this time we're throwing a new set of Bosch 1000cc injectors into the barra turbo's fuel rail. As usual though on this channel, it doesn't always go to plan. Some pesky rounded-off throttle body bolts threw a spanner in the works, and made the job take way longer than it should have! #MOTORINGBOX
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Ford Falcon BA BF XR6 Turbo 1000cc BOSCH Fuel injectors x 6 (E85 Compatible):
antzperformance.com.au/produc...
The BOV I used doesn't seem to be available anymore, but this one looks like it came out of the same factory: www.ebay.com.au/itm/324719050998
Or there is an EPMAN dual-port recirculating/atmosphere version available: www.ebay.com.au/itm/303873706860
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I would never buy a second hand turbo Falcon XR , a better option would be but a standard XR manual ute or sedan in good condition then upgrade your engine with a high quality turbo kit which includes good quality pistons con rods injectors, I would also get the stock head reworked with high quality valves and springs. My brother worked in engine reconditioning knows what to do just give him the parts and a few hundred bucks and a couple of slabs and Bob's your sister!
Kudos for continuing to endure the factory crossover. Can no longer count how many times that's been off and back on mine.
It's a bit of a pain, but I wouldn't have it any other way.
Glad I’m not the only one who buys parts and hardware when they’re cheap- not because I need them, but because I predict they’ll fail way down the track.
Hope the family is well!
My brother in-law's BF XR6 Turbo was about 470kw and 1180nm of torque at the wheels and he still had the stock intake crossover on top of the engine.
On older cars like these. 🤣 to me the ba is still a new car
I see the beverage can is back in the video. Out of Ford & Holden, it's hard to say which fuel injectors are harder to replace. I replaced all of mine on my Holden ute over a year ago & have had no problems since.
Another great video Sean, can't wait to until you get this finished.
This build keeps getting better and better.
I`m always keen to watch any trouble shooting content you have, the more the better. Nothing wrong with even having the 30 minute vids as well. cheers james.
I am loving every mod man! But God damn the tuning suspense & outcome is killing me!!!!!
Good job Shaun a calm head when carrying out mechanical work reaps rewards at the end
Tony
Cheers for the heads up on the bov. As you said, probably the awesome wiring hack that the last owner had done on the ecu. I’m sure that it’ll be an easy fix. Lovin the series buddy.
So looking forward to see the results once the BA is tuned mate! :-)
The running problem was caused by misconfigured Injector dead times - watch the update here: th-cam.com/video/_Ac9vZau5Dc/w-d-xo.html
Nice job as ever Sean fingers crossed you can sort the problem out enjoy your videos you explain things so well wish we had those big Fords in the uk
The worst is when people use hex bolts on flywheels great vid mate
Hi Sean thanks for another great video
Awsome video even though mine being n/a no need upgraded injectiors but great video well done hopefully u find the little hiccup and be sweet straight 6 again
The chewed up hex socket bolt in the throttle body, use a size up in torx bit hammered in- trying that with a hex bit leaves no room for the excess metal to go except to shallow up the depth in the hole, then it just chews it up more- Try the Torx bit! You find the metal binds around the torx shape better. I don't understand why you've taken off the air intake manifold to change the injectors- you can work around the intake manifold for less time overall. But yes it makes it easier to work in there ok! The short injector is designed for the FG.
Haven't owned a Ford since an XB in the 80's.
That Barra motor is a handsome beast.
..... XB was the best looking of that era, instrument cluster layout, bucket seats, 12 slots.
No wonder 'Main Force Patrol' chose them ! (We're still in the game Max).
Motoring box, quadrupling the value of Falcons since 2019.
"Inner hex". Better known as Socket head cap screws or Allen screws. No need to buy the genuine Ford as Unbrako Cap screws have been around forever and are available from most bolt suppliers. Nothing better.
I think we're up to the same spot with mods on our BA's now. Keen to see what it makes on the dyno. Have you done valve springs ?
I didn't take you as a Pepsi guy but I'll still be watching your videos☺
Me makes it very clear he is a KFC man. Hence Pepsi. I don't know why people don't change their drinks out for mountain due but hey.
maximum power
I just put 1050 ID injectors in my car as well mate. It's like we are in sync bro.
Sponsored by Pepsi Max!
Interesting... my throttle body bolts are Allen key... never had an issue 👌
One day you're going to knock that can of Pepsi Max all over the engine bay lol love your work mate
Haha well it'll be on camera if it ever happens
U are doing all the mods I'm doing. I have a ba xr6, and I'm really nervous about flooding the motor with 2 much fuel. I bought a ecu from a mechanic on ebay. He was really nice to me and he did a custom tune and flashed it. Then he posted it to me. He reckons 650cc injectors are perfect for 550hp. I know he's a professional with barra motors, so don't believe everything about having to use 1000cc injectors 2 get the sort of hp I'm chasing. Maybe you should think about getting a couple of fire extinguishers for your baby. You sell yourself short mate, u can use a computer well and you have a mechanical mind. Thanks again for showing me things that I have been thinking about for ages.
Thank you mate. I actually have a fire extinguisher mounted in the car and filmed a video showing the installation if you're interested. th-cam.com/video/zJHygI4aLcQ/w-d-xo.html
650cc to get 550hp? on 98 maybe. im unsure on my injector duty cycle but i know its high enough id struggle to make much more than my current 370kw on e85 with the deka 60's i have. If you want your car to last, get a proper tune, not a mail order tune. As far as people choosing 1000cc, there isnt really a reason not to these days. Its a minimal price increase and they idle like stock and leaves you with much more head room.
Im a mechanic i generally use a kingcrome hex key and use pliers to crack them off or you can just use a hex socket
I love how you're keeping the factory look. My FG will forever be stock so long as I own it. In my personal opinion, what you've done is too much modifying haha but each to their own, as you say!
There's something nice about stock for sure!
At least get an exhaust injectors and tune... The catalytic converter may one day get blocked. Also I’d get a braided oil feed line for the turbo.
You need a small flat board mounted on the top corner of the engine bay for your beverages and sandwich.
Stripped a hex bolt? Remove the 500KW 4L turbo Barra, an install the non hex bolt 2.4L 650KW K series
A forward facing plenum is sounding like a good idea now mate hey?
I had a similar issue when I did my intake gasket. I managed to swap around the only 2 connectors that are the same, the one on the throttle body and the one on the plenham. (Can't remember exactly where is goes)
Thanks for that. I'm pulling mine apart now. I'll watch out for that.😁
you've always got a pepsi max in your videos 😂
Hey mate, love the channel, I know it’s an old video but I just learnt my EPMAN BOV is installed around the wrong way, and so is yours. The bottom port of the EPMAN BOV is the boost side, the side port is the dump side. I installed my one the same direction as the factory Bosch BOV which I’ve learnt is not correct. Sort of made sense in the end because the little trumpet you get in the pack that screws on the side so you can vent to atmosphere would not work when the bottom of the BOV is connected to the low pressure side (before turbo) of your in air intake.
Interesting, still seems to work fine though. Sound any different now that you've fixed it?
The biggest difference is when you unscrew the top and want to make it softer it works. Because boost was coming into the side it was effectively just blocking it off, same if you used a rubber plug and deleted the BOV all together. Obviously the EPMAN BOV didn’t come with instructions but looking at other brands like Turbosmart instructions manuals, they all suggest flipping the direction compared to the Bosch which makes sense, vacuum pulls from the top, boost pushes from the bottom and vents out the side, and thats where you can attach that little trumpet that come in the pack to vent to atmosphere.
Hey man saw you the other day in the au tried to get up beside you and give you a wave
Your car is looking great mate!
Thanks man its still got a bit to go just gotta fix up cosmetic issues now I was able to get up past you and wave the other day as well
Awesome video. I've got stripped throttle body bolts on my XR6 throttle body too from a mechanic replacing my inlet gasket. Just wondering what the Part Number is for the bolts if you know?
Like most of my parts I found 'em on eBay mate 👌
@@MotoringBoxTV Cool, might have to do some more digging man.
Do you need to change fuel rail on a Fg for 1000cc injectors or do they go straight on? Cheers mate.
Thanks for this vid Sean. I think my map sensor is playing up on 'White'. I was wondering if it might be easier to get to if I took off the same parts you did here instead of just the throttle body.
Also just recently replaced the injectors with 'updates'. Now it's running rough, so I'm not sure if they may not be talking to the ECU properly, or it's a co-incidence and the MAP sensor failed at that time. It went from running real clean plugs to filthy black.
If the injectors you went for are larger (higher cc) than standard, it'll run rough (too rich) with black plugs.
@@MotoringBoxTV Yes. I was told to get 'update' but I don't know the size. I might just put OEM ones back in instead.
Thanks for the reply.
I wish a modern diesel engine's injectors were this easy to remove/replace...
Hey mate how you going just a quick question do you run a vacuum line on your blow off valve thanks for your time.
Yes you have to run one 👍
Hey Sean keep them videos coming. What did you use to lube them injectors with?
Some people say silicone grease, some people say Vaseline - with both products also having arguments against why you shouldn't use them. I just use Vaseline 😁
@@MotoringBoxTV I was taught to use a product called rubber grease on orings especially as we were assembling diesel engines with wet cyl sleeves apparently vaseline being a petroleum product can break the oring down over time. The rubber grease is really slippery i have used it also for fitting extremely tight silicone hoses. It was made by PBR.
@@MotoringBoxTV same, i just used a small amount of petroleum jelly. It only needs to be enough so that when youre sliding the injectors in it doesnt pinch the oring and move it
You push the fuel injector connector wire clips in to take the connector off no need for screwdriver to remove the wire clip from connector
Hey mate. I know it’s manual. But how do you find the 4 speed autos? Are they a big set back in comparison to the 6 speed autos released later on?
They're okay, but yes a big step back. I think if it's all you've ever driven it'd be fine. But if you ever drove a 6-speed car it'd ruin you!
could be that spare throttle body you put on ? hanging on the update :)
I did suspect it, but as it turns out no.
P0373 isn't a documented fault in BA workshop manual! is it a custom Haltech code?
You are lucky you didn't strip the thread in alloy intake manifold overtightening the bolts.
Yep it's a Haltech code. I don't think you'd be able to torque the bolts up enough to damage the manifold. Perhaps that's why they use them.
If we upgrade injectors or intercooler do we need to tune or cam drive as it s
Needs a tune
just fyi if you want a way better flutter have no blow off value and have a cold air intake from turbo :)
True, but not keen.
how did you get that computer software to mod the car ecu like that
It's a Haltech Pro plug-in ECU 👌
440's would be better for a stock turbo, I want to put bosch 295cc injectors into my barra (naturally aspirated) but is that too much? Apart from headers and a hi flo I haven't done anything to it @ 117, 000k's. Bosch says for "hot n/a's and mild turbos" I wouldn't really call mine warm I was advised it needed to be tuned after the headers were installed, I hardly drive it so I haven't. Do you think its worth putting them in upon dyno tuning? because I want put new laser iridium spark plugs in too.
n/a and turbo use the same injector. the cost vs benefit of 440's is pretty moot these days considering how cheap a set of bosch 1000's is.
I’ve been told the spray pattern of 1000cc injectors is just pretty consistent and reliable.
Up the polyurethane gloves! I always get shit for wearing them from the lads but it's nice not bleeding like a stuck pig every time I stick my hands in the engine bay.
Especially if you're splitting an intake manifold - so many sharp edges.
I bet the figure for the injectors is too high. Engine starts and runs for a bit from cranking pulses, but then can't idle because injectors are not flowing as much as the ECU thinks. Engine position error is a red herring and is being triggered because the engine stopped 'unexpectedly'.... Was I right?
You may be right, I checked the wiring this morning and couldn't see any issues. So maybe I'll set it to 1000cc next time and see how it goes.
@@MotoringBoxTV Super easy to do with the stand-a-lone... ;) Or maybe it's an issue with the throttle body... Haltech will sort you out I'm sure.
Oh well, I was half-right... ;)
please make a montage of you saying "my ba xr6turbo"
Tips and tricks mechanics use. We just swear a lot, drink and smoke.
2:22 make a video on every time u taking the intake off
It'd go for an hour
@@MotoringBoxTV hmmm maybe 2
Why do you put a can of soft drink on your rocker cover when working?
To piss people off who have nothing better to complain about
Success
Hi Sean, you really should of disconnected the battery why messing around with pulling wires and raw fuel.
I lived
Phew, i would miss your videos if something happened. But serious removing the negative terminal is good practice for all mechanical work. Helps stop shorts and stuff when pulling and moving wires
It is FUN when playing aye?
Sean how do you stay so carm?... I'd love to see some B roll of you really losing your shit lol....
Hahaha, it's usually just me standing there repeatedly uttering "what the fuck" under my breath until I work it out
@@MotoringBoxTV I don't utter I scream it!!
Talking of injectors...or rather nozzles. Anyone know how to access the windscreen washer pipes and jets on a Falcon? Maybe a video on it, hint hint... : )
"Why didn't they have regular bolts"?
Said no Toyota owner ever.
Wheres a good place to get bosche 1000cc?
I bought mine from ANTZ - there's a link in the video description.
Either the Throttle body is bad or you entered 1120 when you should have entered 1000cc
Both possible at this stage
bosch 1000's flow 1150cc @ 4 bar base pressure which is what falcons run, they flow 980cc @ 3 bar
Hello fellow owls
You left the vacuum pipe off the manifold it's sucking air
Pretty sure it's all connected - it probably just wasn't shown.
I hate when people do dodgy wiring jobs lol
TPS
The injectors you installed are standard territory ones. SORRY but stuffing the head on those Allan head bolts is not on Use the proper size key. I have never damaged a Allan head bolt in 55 years of repairing engines
There's no way in hell standard territories ran 1000cc Bosch raceworks injectors.