Wow, this is better researched and presented than anything you can read in car magazines today! The level of quality in the content of this channel is amazing.
As my vehicle eletronics prof once said: You don't inhale the exhaust gasses from your own car if you car has a functional exhaust. Therefore you don't care about your own car's emissions on a fundamental level like you do about the emissions of the car in front of you. Which is why it needs to be regulated by the state.
Man I remember when this channel has less than 20k subscribers, and yet even after all the popularity (still not popular enough IMO) the quality content just keeps coming and coming, even though I'm 2 years late on this one
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This is by far the most professionally made video (very nice graphics), not to mention direct and comprehensive. Just a great short and easy-to-understand video. Well done.
He missed one of the biggest reasons for DI: the cooling effect from the very-high-pressure gasoline injection allows as much as a full point increase in compression ratio, which translates to both higher power output and better fuel economy. It's the main reason that modern turbocharged engines are able to run 10:1 compresson ratio.
@@marcuslang6153 It depends a lot on the type of port injection. Some are batch injection where fuel is sprayed constantly. Others use sequential injection and only spray when the intake valve is open. The cooling effect is overrated in my opinion. The main benefit of DI is multi-squirt. You can start with a lean, fast-burn squirt then add more to increase power. You get a hot, controlled, efficient burn. With DI, you can squirt fuel in late, which prevents pre-ignition and/or detonation. The FA20DIT runs 12.5:1 compression and 15.9 psi sustained boost.
Very well explained video. Retired now but 45 years repairing cars I often find myself explaining maintenance like this to customers. I dont have 20 mins as your video is but your message is spot on. I wish all car owners would be forced to watch your video and not just think your mechanic is “ up selling” all the time but with that being said , there are often franchises that rely on “up sells” . Find and trust a good shop/mechanic
What an excellent video/production!! Clear, unbiased, honest and no ego, just the facts and leaving it up to us to make a decision. The world needs more people like you!
Great video, I have run into this with my own vehicle. For anyone willing to get dirty and clean their own intake valves I have found that lacquer thinner works fantastic. Definitely don't do it around any kind of flame or spark, disconnect your battery as well. I did this to my 2012 Turbo'd Optima and the whole process took a few hours. I spent maybe $20 vs the $600 it would have cost. I'm an engineer and like to tinker with stuff and I like saving money. If you have a VW, forget it you will need to have a dealer service it because their engines are setup to be impossible for your average Joe to work on.. I still don't know why the car manufacturers don't just use internal catch cans that pipe the clean air to the intake and the oil vapor to a chamber under the oil pan. Use a longer plug that seals off both the oil pan and the chamber. When you change your oil it also drains the chamber of nasty blow by stuff. Simple fix and the catch cans could be made to be 100% effective using or a large amount of baffling. I put stainless steel wool in the bottom of my catch can to help it remove more nasties.
If you're an engineer then you should know "why the car manufacturers dont use catch cans" and the answer is because THIS way the car doesn't last as long and that means you will be back to the dealership SOONER to buy another car from them.
Or take a catch can that cost $3 and multiply that by 300,000 or so of cars and you see why not, also what the other guy said they want you to take to dealer.
Engineer here as well. I used e85 to clean mine. $5 and i did a piston ring soak as well. Worked great. The solution is just to be a bad boy and put your pcv system to a vent to atmosphere catch can. Swear to god if you do this a good car really should last forever. Just have to be aware that a vent to atmosphere setup leaves the oil slightly diritier than a vacuum system so you need to change the oil every 3-5k.
@@paladain55is E85 ethanol? I had to rip my 6.7 power stroke intake off all the way down to the heads @ 57Km Happened to check my map sensor on the very top of the plastic intake and it had the hole plugged up with soot.. I had 1/4 to 1/2 (at some areas)inch of soot from the throttle body onwards.. of course that is where the EGR return is in the intake. Interesting fact that the EGR port obstructing dead center shaped to a smooth mushroom head which is always heated hot by exhaust gas and this 40% intake obstruction meeting cold air .. not enough on top of that i noticed oil in my intercooler up pipe so traced it all the way back to the turbo.. they have a half in hose facing the turbine inches away which is the crankcase breather and it has a wannabe catch can separate nothing as its not baffled nor allowing oil return fully to empty the box.. so I just used a washing machine drain tube and routed it to the airfilter input hole and plugged off the turbine port. Ps I used good old kerosene for soot and that's what worked fastest for me just like I only use kerosene to clean my motorcycle chain also from the thick grime and it is like new still..
I used STP pro series intake cleaner and it cleaned the valves right up. Good stuff, don’t need to remove anything, it just sprays in the intake for about 10 minutes with engine running
Finally someone who tells the truth, the purpose of super light oils 0w20, 0w30 is to reduce consumption. The manufacturer of my car requires 0w30, I use 5w50 and it greatly reduced carbon buildup and lengthened the life of the timing chain, which is another problem endemic to new engines, timing chains that stretch and last 80,000km. Obviously I live in an area where the car does not know temperatures below 5°c
Was not fully informed of the disadvantages of direct injection when I bought my Audi TTS. At 60.000 miles an independent shop advised me to have the walnut blasting done, the before and after photos were much more dramatic in terms of build up than even your pics, a sharper throttle response was notable. One note, the shop charged $700.00, my audi dealer "estimated" the same procedure at $1900.00 to $2100.00. would you comment in the future as to additives that promise to reduce these deposits ? Thanks for an excellent, understandable presentation about a real world problem.
I found a local guy to do it for $300. I asked him if I could help him clean the valves and replace the Intake Manifold, he dropped the price to $150. Now I have a clean engine and the knowledge to do it myself for $150. Pretty amazing deal. Then again I own a Mazda and the Intake Manifold is VERY easy to take off and positioned right in front of you. Its really not that hard of a job. A few hours cleaning without special tools. If you let the valves soak the junk comes right off with CRC after an hour or so.
Great information! You are the first one who speaks to the issue of car manufacturers needing to meet more strict fuel economy and emissions regulations. Many of the reliability problems we see now with modern cars (CVT transmissions, multi speed automatic transmissions, low pressure turbocharged engines, complex electronic controls, oil consumption from piston ring blowby and GDI engine carbon buildup) are due to more government regulation. The internal combustion engine design has not caught up with the regulations so, our cars won't last as long without major work.
Wow... This should be a mandatory video to be watched by every consumer before they make a purchase. Kudos to you and how you explained this technical subject in layman's terms. Well done Goose!!!
@@mainwayne1352 Congratulations. You have been chosen to receive the award for "Most Idiotic Statement Ever Posted to TH-cam", with secondary recognition for "Insanely Bad Attempt at Humor".
Yes, had I known Kia's and Hyundai's had GDI, I wouldn't have bought it, I would have bought myself a GM crate small block and found and old car to put it in and I"d be more than happy as I'm old school and cannot stand front wheel drive no matter how many horses it has. I believe the only thing the front wheels should do is steer the car. And I'm guessing that's why SUV's and Pickup trucks are such good sellers, I don't know too many people that just love front wheel drive.
Quick note on blow-by fella - it is travelling INTO the crankcase from cylinder combustion pressure, not back through the intake valves into the intake. Otherwise, you’re right, nasty side effect of DI. Cheers!
Had to go a long way into the comment section to find someone, besides me, who noticed his PCV flow direction mistake. Like you said, otherwise good video.
I didn’t really notice, because many know blow by is past the rings to the crankcase. I think the video source is Bosch. I just got a GDI, and I’m saving my walnut shells! 😂
yeah.. Looks like Savagegeese doesnt understand the basics of how combustion works, or where the crankcase is. Video'll still get him views and money tho
Yeah, I also wanted to see if there were more educated viewers that knew the same. Such mistake casts a shadow on his other videos too when it comes to reliability of the content. Hope he could reach out to some pros on the topics he discusses to get outright mistakes ironed out.
This has to be one of the most well explained videos ive seen so far. Best teacher ever your explaining it in a way where even if your not a mechanic you will understand it. Im a mechanic and i still have not been in a class were the teacher isnt trying to act like there are rocket scientists using words to try to baffle their students.
You are spot on on this. My experience with my gdi car, dealer recommends 0-20, then my car burns 1 litre oil 5.000 km. When i use 5-30, it doesnt show any oil loss after 10.000 km. And after following their recommendations for too long, before i did my own research, im afraid i have a problem now. Car har run 80.000 kms, and runs rough at cold starts and in steap hills on low rpms. So thanx GM, for recommending 0-20oil.😢
I have a 1992 Honda Civic DX sedan, it was abused and it is worn out (273,000 miles as of typing this) but I still manage 30-48 miles per gallon out of it. I know that with it running well, and a good tune, I could improve that to much higher. Direct injection is cool and all, but I will stick to my cheaper to maintain port fuel injection because it does the job just fine. Great video, you just earned a new subscriber :)
Or you can just bite me :) I am not a ricer, I actually take care of my car, thank you very damned much. Ricers do not take care of their cars and do stupid ass mods for the "look", and add loud ass fart tube exhausts to "sound fast" when all they are doing is making it easy for the cops to find them. Learn the difference, ass hat.
Awhile back I had to change out my clutch and transmission, the original transmission someone let it leak all of its gear oil out and the bearings for the input shaft had literally fallen out into the transmission. The transmission I now have came from a 1993 Honda Civic VX hatchback, and it is insanely high geared. 1st and 5th gears are identical to my original transmission, but 2nd through 4th are staggered, and the final drive went from 4.088:1 to 3.25:1 and bumped my gas mileage by a crap ton. At 70 miles per hour, the engine is only turning 2,400 RPM, and I love that, makes driving on the highway amazing.
I really dig your effort in adding a well crafted animation scheme into the explanation, many content creators don't realize there are a vast amount of viewers whom maybe visual learners, yours really nailed it
There’s is no such thing as a “visible learner” when it comes to to engines, you cannot imagine the parts in your head the whole time. Unless your definition of visual learning is a whole demonstration, you learn just like everyone else🤦♂️
This is the best explanation on this that I have heard, I never quite understood why we needed carbon cleaning on DI engines and how the catch cans worked. Just everyone spouting off that you need a catch can with no reason or explanation.
This is one of the reasons for Toyota's reliability. A bunch of companies just jumped on the DI bandwagon, and then just left it to their customers to deal with the consequences. Toyota waited until they had their dual injection before they started putting it in everything. Yes, I drive a Toyota. It was the last year of port injection for my model. Every year after that has been dual injection.
Toyota is truly brilliant in this regard as the port injection cleans the entire intake system including the valves by passive gas flow through the system and then the direct injection provides increased economy and power. It's simply a brilliant solution. I will never own another direct injection - only - vehicle again. I owned a GDI 2012 Kia Rio that was an insane nightmare.
I just bought a 2023 tundra and I told the salesman and the concierge that the truck has 12 injectors and they were in full denial. They both said it’s only got 6 cylinders. Why would Toyota put 12 injectors in a 6 cylinder. After a short explanation they were still In semi denial but they understood the concept of direct and port injection. I told them the same system is on my ‘21 rav4.
@Will Jeff except for maybe the service people, the staff at dealers usually don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Never have I visited a dealership where I didn't know more about the car than the person trying to sell it to me.
Amigo you are a gem! I have owned a 2006 Lexus GS300 GDI for a couple years and did not do my homework on it. I have done nothing but struggle with doing doordash full time and blowing through two quarts of oil a week no leaks keeping the combustion Chamber clean as I can dumping two cans of seafoam spray in it a month and I know I can't keep doing that but I just want to say this was an amazing presentation on very very important subject matter. And as you mentioned, i don't blame the engineers and car producers because you know the regulations that they have to keep up with and balance that with the customer satisfaction as he said so it was just a failed experiment and wow I didn't know what to do with this car I love my car and I keep my cars until the wheels fall off. And thanks to you I'm going to be able to keep mine until the wheels do fall off with some hope at the end of the GDI road which is very Bleak right now but thank you again so very much for this informative video you have really really made a difference in my Approach and now my attitude towards confronting this failed but not dead technology
Very well done boys! A great explanation of a troubling problem and one that will leave 90% of owners with big problems and high maintenance bills. Prevention tips are excellent!
My new favorite channel! Right up there with engineering explained but I like the projector a lot better than the Whiteboard!!! You'll hit a million subs in no time!
EE is another another (lower) level though, the explanations can be kind of rambly and unpolished and half the time it feels like classroom presentation while you stare at a whiteboard even though the whiteboard isn't all that informative.
Mark, long time subscriber and former factory trained line tech for VW, Porsche, Audi, service manager and crew chief/fabricator for several drag cars, SCCA class cars and drag racing projects. I appreciate your efforts producing these in depth tech articles.You mentioned the install of oil catch cans to reduce the blow by products in the intake stream. One can find many online via Amazon, Ebay and aftermarket kits from vendors ranging from $30 to $200+. I think it would be interesting if you or someone could do a break down on the features, advantages of these products. Some are well designed, some are junk. It would be beneficial to have someone separate the 'wheat from the chaff' per say for those that care about their cars.
Hey Dan. I have a 2006 VW Golf MK 1.4 TSI BMY. The car has no problems, YET... What can I do to prevent it? I use Shell V-power and fuel cleaner every 6 months. Is there anything else? I change the oil every 10.000kms with Castrol 5W/30 LL3
My '15 F150 EcoBoost 3.5L GDI Twin Turbo has been terrific. 149k mis. Use 89 octane Shell always. Pennzoil Ultra Platinum full synthetic oil @5k mi OCI.
It's highly dependent on your emissions standard in your area. Southern California Air Resouce Board demands cutting edge technology. Due to the fact the SFV has 20 million engines burning every day along with Long Beach Ship, Boat, Truck, Train traffic 24/7. If you want info for OEMs that provide the proper Impactor device. Cummins has great products from Fleet guard.
Some observations: The blowby gases do not move up past the rings (~7:17), they move from the combustion process down into the cylinder and into the crankcase. They are then routed back into the intake via a positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) valve. This has been done since the 1960s (I believe). Before that, it was routed directly into the atmosphere out of the bottom of the engine through what was known as a breather tube. Watch an old movie and notice the dark area in the center of highway lanes. That is a big long streak from all the breather tubes from all the old cars as they passed by where oil dripped out. Back to now, sludge does indeed build up on the back of intake valves (not on exhaust valves) for two reasons. The fuel injectors in GDI equipped vehicles do not spray fuel on them as stated and many engines now are smaller and work harder with higher cylinder pressures thereby creating more of these blowby gases than engines of the past. Well, is this a problem, the buildup on the back of the intake valves? Maybe and maybe not. Don't let videos like this say it's always a problem because it most certainly is not. Skipping ahead, the PVC system is most definitely not under vacuum as stated in the video. There is positive pressure in there not a vacuum. Only in turbocharged or supercharged applications are there pressures greater in the intake than in the crankcase and then only when boost conditions exist which are brief and infrequent. Therefore, having an oil that has low volatility in a vacuum is worthless. In summary, this issue is way overblown. Only under rare circumstances do you need a catchcan. GDI technology allows manufacturers produce powerful, clean burning engines. If you run your engine hard and have 300k km or 200k mi on it, you may want to consider cleaning the intake valves but not before. Don't buy into these scare stories. I have a GM 2.0L turbo engine with GDI. GM recommends to not clean the intake valves on my engine. GM designed it, they've tested it, they know what they're talking about. Otherwise a good video.
I don't know nearly enough to have an opinion one way or the other. I do have a GM car with a direct injection engine, and have found out that GM will void the warranty if a catch can is used. Any ideas why they would do that if the catch can is only supposed to do good things for the engine? Could it be that they simply don't want any modifications at all to the engine or could there be a legitimate downside to using something like a catch can?
Awesome explanation! Have 2013 Sonata, I use CRC GDI IVD Intake Valve cleaner thru air intake, have to be really careful maintaining low rpm's during and after treatment, works like a port injector, absolutely best video I have seen, THANK YOU.
@@martese6555 Modern engines use positive crankcase and exhaust gas recirculation. That will introduce hydrocarbons into the intake which then get burnt onto the inlet valve rear faces. This can 'kill' an engine.
Our shop picked up the 3C Carbon Cleaner from ATS Carbon Clean about 9 months ago. It works FANTASTIC! We tried all the usual chemical companies, BG, SeaFoam, etc with very little effect to carbon deposits. The 3C does the job in 15 min without disassembly. Highly recommend looking into. Great Video!
I took the intake off my 3.0 SRX and used regular gas to clean my valves. Worked. I found out Gasoline cleans carbon really well. I poured gas in, used a long wire brush, soaked it up, blue it out wit air and it worked.
As atech I can honestly say the newer gdi and thinner viscosity oils ,which are all used to increase fuel economy or getter more for less. But the expense is sacrificing engine longevity and increasing higher maintenance costs. So it's really benefiting the sales department more than the consumer.
This is probably the best video I've ever seen that explains what's going on in an engine when it comes to the visuals. The 3D animations are clear and just beautiful to watch.
@@tony37068 Bottom line is, after thousands of miles those catch cans are filled with oil, without the catch can all that shit is going straight back into the engine
The best car Channel ! Actually give honest opinion about cars, not a “ both great all good” channel, you can actually hear good & bad thing about a car not just “ they both great and awesome” thank you !
This is a huge eye opener for me as my Wife and I own two modern Hyundais with GDI engines ... I know my mechanic personally but will have to see if he's able to clean the valves for us. Thank you for the great content.
Cheers! I brought it up to my Mechanic tonight and he said he put some throttle body cleaner through the system. I'll make sure i do it every 7500km when I change the oil. @3 name changes allowed every 90 days.
Detailed, good video. I recently saw an explanation for use of CRC Cleaner for GDI engines. I does not look as good as walnut blasting photos, but much easier, and cheaper to do. I don't work for CRC, but the video is helpful and informative. Titled: How To Use CRC GDI Intake Valve & Turbo Cleaner.
Yep just did catch can on mazda cx-5. Nice and difficult to get to and they use 5/8 on pcv and and 3/8 on intake so had to use reducer, fun stuff hope it stays sealed and doesnt clog. After 45,000 valves looked like the ones in your pictures. Bought one off amazon and re-engineered it to work better. Just checked it today and was almost half full After bout 2000 miles.Trying to clean with seafoam or anything else with flushing method will get you a nice expensive brand new caty. Ask me how i know.Gotta clean with brush or walnuts not fun either way but to each his own. Thank you so much for the pcv system. Makes life so much fun... so much
When looking for a used car a couple years ago one of my goals was to get a vehicle without direct injection just to avoid the carbon buildup. Granted, a DI engine "may" only need valve cleaning a few times during ownership, but my choice was to avoid it all together. I do have a feeling as time goes on it will be harder to find a non-DI engine but I'll deal with that when the time comes and "maybe" this service will common enough that cost isn't too outrageous.
@@georgejungle138 At least boomers can change a tire and replace a battery without wondering if the fluid in a battery would taste good. Millineals……..Gen Z’ers…..most useless generations to ever come along. Eating Tide Pods pretty much confirmed that. The inability to drive a manual transmission is also laughable. More than likely the guy that will clean your valves for you will be a boomer. Be careful who you criticize.
Remember EGR on engines? The reason you don't see it anymore after the early 2000's is the Camshaft Lobe profiles changed to allow the intake valve to open early allowing some exhaust to be pushed back up the intake to be re-burned. The delete of EGR was a big cost save for manufacturers. This is how the burnt carbon is getting on the valves. The PCV system is making it worse by adding the unburned fuel and oil vapor to the carbon deposit only to be cooked and coated with carbon again when that intake valve opens late in the exhaust stroke. We can thank the EPA and Manufacturers for the issues associated with the layering effect and carbon buildup in DI engines.
This is a very informative video and describes the problems related to direct injection very well. He did make a couple mis-statements when describing the sequence of events during combustion. When combustion occurs there is a great deal of pressure created which drives the piston down. But some of that unburnt fuel and air pressure pass the piston rings and ends up in the crankcase. This pressure does not travel up into the engine as much as it travels down into the crankcase. The vapor rise through the passages in the crankcase. It is later when all the fuel vapor rises to the top of the engine and is pushed out the PCV circuit. The PCV circuit dumps this vapor into the intake system, so that it can be burned.
I run a lawn mower fuel filter between the crankcase & PCV valve on my car. I get the clear ones, so I can watch the filter element. They last ~7000 miles, on my car, and they're cheap. 1/4" in/outlet filter was an easy install by only cutting the OEM hose, and it's right on top! (for an '01 Prelude with ~126k miles)
I worked for Orbital Engine Co in the test department where my job was to optimise the fuel delivery timing to combustion space using our two fluid direct injection system. The injector used two chambers . Low pressure fuel was metered by the lower chamber and the upper chamber was fed with high pressure air which was used to blast the fuel into the combustion space at the appropriate time for the particular speed and load. Using the air assist injection gave us control over the spray pattern and droplet size and playing with stratified charge enabled air fuel ratios as lean as 70:1. Had a great time mapping the engines! Transferred to the Tune Department and my job was to push the engine to it's power limits so basically I got paid to blow up hand built engines at$50k a pop! haha!
Wow, thank you for sharing, i felt like i was in college again for my engineering class, this time though it applies to my real life experience. I just got a car with Gdi and was browsing on ways to maintain. Amazing facts one must know for today's car owners, unless of course you have tons of money to spare for the expensive electric cars. ;-) thanks again
Can an injection Port be put in the catch can or drilled into the intake above the valve for spraying seafoam or Lucas occasionally during oil changes for example. Or have a gallon of it in the trunk of the car and every so many miles it just injects it in there. While the engines is good and hot while cruising down the interstate.
Great. Most of it still goes over my head tbh. But this helped me understand better. My car has DI. 67k miles. No buildup problems that I can tell so far 👍
owned my GDI hyundai 5 years not even skipped a beat yet.. and my neighbour just sold his after 9 years so some manufacturers well go while a while before cleaning be 6 to 7 year when spark plugs would be due at that point
BOY did he get blowby backwards. Blowby happens on the compression stroke and builds up in the crankcase. Than that pressure is past into the PCV (Positive crankcase ventilation)valve into the intake so it can get re-burned. That is how the oil vapors are getting onto the back of the intake valve or valves.
You are correct. This guy in the video got PCV all wrong. Even his explanation is illogical. Higher pressure in the crankcase bleeds into combustion chamber? So where was this ‘higher pressure’ coming from? Was not aware that combustion took place in the crankcase - dope. He spent more time editing his video for dramatic effect than fact checking.
Thank you, now I don't have to write a correction for him. Was a great Vid till he got to the Blow by. But a well made video except for the incorrect Blow By Info!
Blowby happens during the power stroke when combustion chamber pressure is the highest. This extremely high pressure can force small amounts of gas past the rings into the crankcase while the piston is going down. The pressure during compression is relatively minor in comparison and if the rings leak during compression, they will absolutely let the combustion gases get by during the power stroke. That piston would be well down on power and needs a rebuild to restore the rings.
Great explanation, I have a 2023 Kia Sportage with a 2.5L duel injection engine. I’m so fortunate, I didn’t preselect this engine when I was shopping but discovered the issues with GDI after my purchase. Carbon affects all manufacturers and now that I know, I’m staying away from GDI exclusively. My 2013 Toyota Highlander had 237K miles on it, butter smooth until I sold it recently, obviously it was MPI. I’m planning on keeping my Kia long term too, and luckily I have great 👍🏾 odds with my current dual fuel injection system. I’ll share this video as I hope it reaches many. 👍🏾
Thanks for an outstanding video. I must say, if I had properly researched GDI, I would not have leased a new Sentra. Since it's a lease, I can "dump it" in a few years, obviously. But if I still love it at the end of the lease, I doubt I would buy it because of these issues. Peace.
Uploaded 4 years ago but still very relevant. Not many manufacturers are talking about this. Especially now all engines are going turbo direct injection.
As always excellent content. Keep it comming, hands down best around here. Glad to see your sub count climbing, even though I know it's not why you do this. Keep it up!
Aarown1017 theory on my forum is occasionally rev the engine high and that would clean it. Search for BILD a German auto magazine. They rated mazdas as top 3 in reliability in many segments. The 3,6 and CX-5
Aarown1017 Skyactiv engines have air/oil separators. Mazda claims they have no intake valve buildup issues. I still wouldn’t mind seeing dual injection from them like Toyota.
Great video. I've read none of the comments. But the BG and CRC distributors will come out in force with their unproven chemical wash. This can damage your engine. Ford and other automakers say don't use these chemicals for many reasons ...at any time. The only way to prevent carbon buildup is using a air/oil separator(catch can) and walnut blasting. Don't spray anything down your intake.
Rob King Very correct, one problem. Water injection is hard on catalysts because of cooling effect on the egt is below optimal function for it. Gums them up.
Hi Glen, The 100% PAO-Ester based oils while expensive do have a low Noack index. Pennzoil Ultra is an example. When i swapped from Movil-1 to a 100% PA0-Ester i noticed my engine's (Audi 3L TFSI) oil consumption was much less, a good 75% less. Indeed over 4,000 miles, the dipstick level now drops by only 3 mm. Whereas with Mobil-1 i felt obliged to top it up with 1/2 a litre between intervals.
Excellent ! Straightforward, no-nonsense explanations that most will understand. Why isn't this style of video more common. Answer, because certain 'actors' would try to mislead you.
1.2 TSI, 270.000km liquid LPG direct injection, runs like a champ! Much better than the silly 1.0 Mpi engine I've had before. Plenty of torque from 1500RPM and smooth driving! Awesome!
My 99 Toyota Camry solara coupe was the most reliable car I've ever been around I was an idiot when I owned it when it came to changing fluids and maintenance and kept running forever used to have to drive it 250 miles a day for work
Always wondered how the INTAKE ports in a direct injection engine were getting carbon-ed up. How did it get into the intake manifold? Thanks for the explanation! Sounds like direct injection cars should all have oil separators. Unfortunately, DI cars tend to be expensive, and the people who can afford them will trade them in before or when they need major maintenance, so there's no incentive to add that expense.
Direct injection was created with the diesel engine, current version: (Direct injection has been used on diesel engines since the 1950s. These systems use a powerful, positive displacement fuel pump to pump diesel through injectors mounted directly in the cylinder.)
If the chevy 1.5 liter LYX engine in my wifes 2020 equinox says to use 0w20 oil.....should i switch to a 5w30 you think?...only full synthetic ofcourse....it has 20.000 miles on it....been using valvoline 0w20 advanced full synthetic....was thinking bout changing it to mobil 1 advanced 5w30.....only like 1.4 centistokes difference in viscosity @100 celcius.
Great video, I've been a licensed technician for almost 50 years.. and what a change.. sometimes good,, sometimes bad.. but the worst common denominator to all those years and cars.......People are either idiots or cheap. People will never change oil on time or sooner, and never use high grade fuel.. these oils have the viscosity of baby piss, and manufactues are pushing the absolute joke of eco oil, promising its so thin that it helps mileage. And let's not forget tuneups or simply maintaining tire pressures. DI is great, but....
Exactly. Sad truth is, you do not want to hang onto a GDI-only engine vehicle long term. If you are thinking long term, best get a vehicle with an "old school" port injection type of an engine, or else perhaps if you do not mind the complexity and added dangers, one that combines port with direct spark ignition fuel injection. I am opting for the former. Toyota and Lexus products made and sold from the late 1980s to the mid 2000s come immediately to mind.
this is great info since we just bought a 2023 Kia with GDI. very well presented and the animations were a great help in promoting a true understanding of the valvetrain and problems that will occur. Thank you for bringing this to us!
Nothing to worry about. Just get the recommended maintenance/cleaning done every 30,000-60,000 miles. It’s not that expensive and you can enjoy carefree driving for years to come.
SIlive Ive got a 2011 NC with all extras as my first car. Its really so much fun to drive- mountain roads with great views are the strong points. The BRZ is 5000€ more expensive here in Austria and insurance is also higher. The BRZ is also fun to drive and more usable on a daily basis. If you dont care a lot about practicality go for the NC otherwise with the BRZ. I never had a problem with it- just fun to trow around in the corners. Maye think about the hardtop version if you drive in winter/highway as it gets really noisy with the normal version
I did not get your name so I will just call you "Goose" my call sign is "Maverik". Any who, I just wanted to say how impressed I was with the quality of this video. I have not seen anything else you have done yet but kudos to you for taking the time to put a quality product out there. Two thumbs up!! Over and out
Excellent explanation. Yes, the 90's through 2008 were the best of gas engines. Direction injection and 10 speed automatic transmissions are vehicles to avoid if you plan to keep the vehicle
There are some 2010s gas engines that are pretty solid too namely the 2015 Toyota Camry, 2013 Infiniti G37, and a few others which have port fuel injection and transmissions with 8 or less speeds.
Naw not true as a blanket statement. My 2020 Ranger with 88k miles has Turbo, DI, and a 10 speed. It has been perfect and Ranger is now rated as the most reliable mid-size truck (Yes..Taco is 3rd place currently). Looked at the valves just 5k miles ago with the bore scope and very very little carbon buildup at all.
After watching dozens of videos, nothing compares to the explanations in this video. I have a DI engine and I suspect the poor performance is due to carbon buildup in the valve intakes as other owners of the same model have reported this problem. Thanks for the class!
Excellent (though scary) presentation! I can understand why manufacturers are switching to EVs as the regulations have pushed the engineering challenges into unsustainable areas.
No, there are solutions, but they cost money. The push to EVs is a religious faith-based movement and thus not very logical. Save the Planet! Riiiight, when what the West and Europe do will have minimal effect if the giants-- China, India, and Africa, don't do the same. And they don't and they won't.
Excellent presentation Mark , as always! You did mention oil catch can plus installing water/alcohol vapor injection it's a simple and economical solution for GDI engine carbon build up... keep up the great work 👍
@@goblenator9688 correct, water vapor injection had been proven to increase mpg, help with detonation,less strains in the engine therefore less engine wearing, etc....
I've been already well aware of all the stuff mentioned in the video. The individual in this video explains it well, much better than 95% of the other rubbish I've seen on youTube about direct injection and carbon build up. Well done 🍻
Just found your channel because I wanted to learn more about DI on engines. This was a great explanation of the operation and the pros and cons. Well explained. Will be looking at more of your videos. Thanks much for sharing. 👍
Wow, this is better researched and presented than anything you can read in car magazines today! The level of quality in the content of this channel is amazing.
It’s always is!
He completely ingored the worst part of GDI engines, what their emissions do to your body...
Goose man is really stepping up his game.
As my vehicle eletronics prof once said: You don't inhale the exhaust gasses from your own car if you car has a functional exhaust. Therefore you don't care about your own car's emissions on a fundamental level like you do about the emissions of the car in front of you. Which is why it needs to be regulated by the state.
Car mags' such as Car & Driver, have almost no real technical data or graphics, like they did in the past.
Man I remember when this channel has less than 20k subscribers, and yet even after all the popularity (still not popular enough IMO) the quality content just keeps coming and coming, even though I'm 2 years late on this one
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Best vehicle content on TH-cam.
2 years later and they're still amazing
Love your solemnly tone of voice. I thought i was getting a lecture on how to live a better less sinful life.
This is by far the most professionally made video (very nice graphics), not to mention direct and comprehensive. Just a great short and easy-to-understand video. Well done.
This was the best researched, and best presented, examination of this topic that I have ever seen. Congrats on a job really well done.
I agree!!
He missed one of the biggest reasons for DI: the cooling effect from the very-high-pressure gasoline injection allows as much as a full point increase in compression ratio, which translates to both higher power output and better fuel economy. It's the main reason that modern turbocharged engines are able to run 10:1 compresson ratio.
From my point of physics understanding there is no difference in terms of cooling whether the fuel is port injected or direct injected!?
It sounds like you’re talking about the Ford eco-boost engines from 1.6 to 3.5 L👍🏽
@@marcuslang6153 It depends a lot on the type of port injection. Some are batch injection where fuel is sprayed constantly. Others use sequential injection and only spray when the intake valve is open. The cooling effect is overrated in my opinion. The main benefit of DI is multi-squirt. You can start with a lean, fast-burn squirt then add more to increase power. You get a hot, controlled, efficient burn. With DI, you can squirt fuel in late, which prevents pre-ignition and/or detonation. The FA20DIT runs 12.5:1 compression and 15.9 psi sustained boost.
@@garymanis6305 thx for the explanation! Very much top-notch information in a few sentences👌🏽😊
Yup can increase spark advance or cylinder pressure .
Very well explained video. Retired now but 45 years repairing cars I often find myself explaining maintenance like this to customers. I dont have 20 mins as your video is but your message is spot on. I wish all car owners would be forced to watch your video and not just think your mechanic is “ up selling” all the time but with that being said , there are often franchises that rely on “up sells” . Find and trust a good shop/mechanic
That's the problem. You get upselled so much you don't know when to actually believe them.
What an excellent video/production!! Clear, unbiased, honest and no ego, just the facts and leaving it up to us to make a decision. The world needs more people like you!
Iiii😮
Great video, I have run into this with my own vehicle.
For anyone willing to get dirty and clean their own intake valves I have found that lacquer thinner works fantastic. Definitely don't do it around any kind of flame or spark, disconnect your battery as well. I did this to my 2012 Turbo'd Optima and the whole process took a few hours. I spent maybe $20 vs the $600 it would have cost. I'm an engineer and like to tinker with stuff and I like saving money. If you have a VW, forget it you will need to have a dealer service it because their engines are setup to be impossible for your average Joe to work on.. I still don't know why the car manufacturers don't just use internal catch cans that pipe the clean air to the intake and the oil vapor to a chamber under the oil pan. Use a longer plug that seals off both the oil pan and the chamber. When you change your oil it also drains the chamber of nasty blow by stuff. Simple fix and the catch cans could be made to be 100% effective using or a large amount of baffling. I put stainless steel wool in the bottom of my catch can to help it remove more nasties.
If you're an engineer then you should know "why the car manufacturers dont use catch cans" and the answer is because THIS way the car doesn't last as long and that means you will be back to the dealership SOONER to buy another car from them.
Or take a catch can that cost $3 and multiply that by 300,000 or so of cars and you see why not, also what the other guy said they want you to take to dealer.
Ujjain
Engineer here as well. I used e85 to clean mine. $5 and i did a piston ring soak as well. Worked great. The solution is just to be a bad boy and put your pcv system to a vent to atmosphere catch can. Swear to god if you do this a good car really should last forever. Just have to be aware that a vent to atmosphere setup leaves the oil slightly diritier than a vacuum system so you need to change the oil every 3-5k.
@@paladain55is E85 ethanol? I had to rip my 6.7 power stroke intake off all the way down to the heads @ 57Km
Happened to check my map sensor on the very top of the plastic intake and it had the hole plugged up with soot.. I had 1/4 to 1/2 (at some areas)inch of soot from the throttle body onwards.. of course that is where the EGR return is in the intake. Interesting fact that the EGR port obstructing dead center shaped to a smooth mushroom head which is always heated hot by exhaust gas and this 40% intake obstruction meeting cold air .. not enough on top of that i noticed oil in my intercooler up pipe so traced it all the way back to the turbo.. they have a half in hose facing the turbine inches away which is the crankcase breather and it has a wannabe catch can separate nothing as its not baffled nor allowing oil return fully to empty the box.. so I just used a washing machine drain tube and routed it to the airfilter input hole and plugged off the turbine port. Ps I used good old kerosene for soot and that's what worked fastest for me just like I only use kerosene to clean my motorcycle chain also from the thick grime and it is like new still..
I used STP pro series intake cleaner and it cleaned the valves right up. Good stuff, don’t need to remove anything, it just sprays in the intake for about 10 minutes with engine running
Absolutely the best explanation of complex things on the entire TH-cam! The guy is brilliant with great, I would say kinda 'soothing' way of delivery.
Agreed. His voice is really soothing.
Finally someone who tells the truth, the purpose of super light oils 0w20, 0w30 is to reduce consumption. The manufacturer of my car requires 0w30, I use 5w50 and it greatly reduced carbon buildup and lengthened the life of the timing chain, which is another problem endemic to new engines, timing chains that stretch and last 80,000km. Obviously I live in an area where the car does not know temperatures below 5°c
Was not fully informed of the disadvantages of direct injection when I bought my Audi TTS. At 60.000 miles an independent shop advised me to have the walnut blasting done, the before and after photos were much more dramatic in terms of build up than even your pics, a sharper throttle response was notable. One note, the shop charged $700.00, my audi dealer
"estimated" the same procedure at $1900.00 to $2100.00. would you comment in the future as to additives that promise to reduce these deposits ? Thanks for an excellent, understandable presentation about a real world problem.
I found a local guy to do it for $300. I asked him if I could help him clean the valves and replace the Intake Manifold, he dropped the price to $150. Now I have a clean engine and the knowledge to do it myself for $150. Pretty amazing deal. Then again I own a Mazda and the Intake Manifold is VERY easy to take off and positioned right in front of you. Its really not that hard of a job. A few hours cleaning without special tools. If you let the valves soak the junk comes right off with CRC after an hour or so.
An air oil separator/ catch can will reduce deposits on the valves
Great information! You are the first one who speaks to the issue of car manufacturers needing to meet more strict fuel economy and emissions regulations. Many of the reliability problems we see now with modern cars (CVT transmissions, multi speed automatic transmissions, low pressure turbocharged engines, complex electronic controls, oil consumption from piston ring blowby and GDI engine carbon buildup) are due to more government regulation. The internal combustion engine design has not caught up with the regulations so, our cars won't last as long without major work.
Wow... This should be a mandatory video to be watched by every consumer before they make a purchase. Kudos to you and how you explained this technical subject in layman's terms. Well done Goose!!!
Makes me happy I chose a lease over finance on my new GDI car!
Nothing should be a mandatory video unless you’re a communist.
@@mainwayne1352 Congratulations. You have been chosen to receive the award for "Most Idiotic Statement Ever Posted to TH-cam", with secondary recognition for "Insanely Bad Attempt at Humor".
Yes, had I known Kia's and Hyundai's had GDI, I wouldn't have bought it, I would have bought myself a GM crate small block and found and old car to put it in and I"d be more than happy as I'm old school and cannot stand front wheel drive no matter how many horses it has. I believe the only thing the front wheels should do is steer the car. And I'm guessing that's why SUV's and Pickup trucks are such good sellers, I don't know too many people that just love front wheel drive.
We’re stuck with this... everything has DI now.
Quick note on blow-by fella - it is travelling INTO the crankcase from cylinder combustion pressure, not back through the intake valves into the intake. Otherwise, you’re right, nasty side effect of DI. Cheers!
Had to go a long way into the comment section to find someone, besides me, who noticed his PCV flow direction mistake. Like you said, otherwise good video.
Yeah the explanation of crankcase pressure was... Interesting to say the least.
I didn’t really notice, because many know blow by is past the rings to the crankcase. I think the video source is Bosch.
I just got a GDI, and I’m saving my walnut shells! 😂
yeah.. Looks like Savagegeese doesnt understand the basics of how combustion works, or where the crankcase is. Video'll still get him views and money tho
Yeah, I also wanted to see if there were more educated viewers that knew the same. Such mistake casts a shadow on his other videos too when it comes to reliability of the content. Hope he could reach out to some pros on the topics he discusses to get outright mistakes ironed out.
The quality and professionalism in this video is top noch. It's a pleasure to watch and learn.
This has to be one of the most well explained videos ive seen so far. Best teacher ever your explaining it in a way where even if your not a mechanic you will understand it. Im a mechanic and i still have not been in a class were the teacher isnt trying to act like there are rocket scientists using words to try to baffle their students.
You are spot on on this. My experience with my gdi car, dealer recommends 0-20, then my car burns 1 litre oil 5.000 km. When i use 5-30, it doesnt show any oil loss after 10.000 km. And after following their recommendations for too long, before i did my own research, im afraid i have a problem now. Car har run 80.000 kms, and runs rough at cold starts and in steap hills on low rpms. So thanx GM, for recommending 0-20oil.😢
Did you ever figure out the rough running at idle? Which model and year is it?
This was the best communicated, researched, and annotated presentation of a complex topic. Hats off! My favorite car channel on TH-cam! 👍
I have a 1992 Honda Civic DX sedan, it was abused and it is worn out (273,000 miles as of typing this) but I still manage 30-48 miles per gallon out of it. I know that with it running well, and a good tune, I could improve that to much higher. Direct injection is cool and all, but I will stick to my cheaper to maintain port fuel injection because it does the job just fine. Great video, you just earned a new subscriber :)
Carstuff111 there’s no place for ricers here, move along
Or you can just bite me :) I am not a ricer, I actually take care of my car, thank you very damned much. Ricers do not take care of their cars and do stupid ass mods for the "look", and add loud ass fart tube exhausts to "sound fast" when all they are doing is making it easy for the cops to find them. Learn the difference, ass hat.
Had a '92 Civic LX that I achieved 50 mpg... TWICE!!
Awhile back I had to change out my clutch and transmission, the original transmission someone let it leak all of its gear oil out and the bearings for the input shaft had literally fallen out into the transmission. The transmission I now have came from a 1993 Honda Civic VX hatchback, and it is insanely high geared. 1st and 5th gears are identical to my original transmission, but 2nd through 4th are staggered, and the final drive went from 4.088:1 to 3.25:1 and bumped my gas mileage by a crap ton. At 70 miles per hour, the engine is only turning 2,400 RPM, and I love that, makes driving on the highway amazing.
@@Carstuff111 that's true lol
I really dig your effort in adding a well crafted animation scheme into the explanation, many content creators don't realize there are a vast amount of viewers whom maybe visual learners, yours really nailed it
There’s is no such thing as a “visible learner” when it comes to to engines, you cannot imagine the parts in your head the whole time. Unless your definition of visual learning is a whole demonstration, you learn just like everyone else🤦♂️
Very informative! I can appreciate why Toyota continues to make their trucks port or at least port and direct injected….. Go Job Toyota!💪🏿
This is the best explanation on this that I have heard, I never quite understood why we needed carbon cleaning on DI engines and how the catch cans worked. Just everyone spouting off that you need a catch can with no reason or explanation.
Did you come back through these older videos and segment the timelines? That's dedication, dude.
Thank you
This is one of the reasons for Toyota's reliability. A bunch of companies just jumped on the DI bandwagon, and then just left it to their customers to deal with the consequences. Toyota waited until they had their dual injection before they started putting it in everything.
Yes, I drive a Toyota. It was the last year of port injection for my model. Every year after that has been dual injection.
Toyota is truly brilliant in this regard as the port injection cleans the entire intake system including the valves by passive gas flow through the system and then the direct injection provides increased economy and power. It's simply a brilliant solution. I will never own another direct injection - only - vehicle again. I owned a GDI 2012 Kia Rio that was an insane nightmare.
Chrysler took the same route as Toyota
@@manuelsmiley7125 Ford's Coyote V8 also has this.
I just bought a 2023 tundra and I told the salesman and the concierge that the truck has 12 injectors and they were in full denial. They both said it’s only got 6 cylinders. Why would Toyota put 12 injectors in a 6 cylinder. After a short explanation they were still In semi denial but they understood the concept of direct and port injection. I told them the same system is on my ‘21 rav4.
@Will Jeff except for maybe the service people, the staff at dealers usually don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Never have I visited a dealership where I didn't know more about the car than the person trying to sell it to me.
This is one of the best videos I have ever seen , and I do watch a lot , very well done sir
Totally agree with you. Without question a fantastic video, not to mention the impressive graphics that perfectly complement the presentation.
Well done sir!!
Amigo you are a gem! I have owned a 2006 Lexus GS300 GDI for a couple years and did not do my homework on it. I have done nothing but struggle with doing doordash full time and blowing through two quarts of oil a week no leaks keeping the combustion Chamber clean as I can dumping two cans of seafoam spray in it a month and I know I can't keep doing that but I just want to say this was an amazing presentation on very very important subject matter. And as you mentioned, i don't blame the engineers and car producers because you know the regulations that they have to keep up with and balance that with the customer satisfaction as he said so it was just a failed experiment and wow I didn't know what to do with this car I love my car and I keep my cars until the wheels fall off. And thanks to you I'm going to be able to keep mine until the wheels do fall off with some hope at the end of the GDI road which is very Bleak right now but thank you again so very much for this informative video you have really really made a difference in my Approach and now my attitude towards confronting this failed but not dead technology
Very well done boys! A great explanation of a troubling problem and one that will leave 90% of owners with big problems and high maintenance bills. Prevention tips are excellent!
you really deserve more views and subscribers. thanks for all the great, mostly unbiased info on all your videos!
A very good professional lecturer and a great instructor: organized, responsive, patient and able to clearly explain complex topics.
Once again one of the best explanations of the differences between both systems. Great graphics. I salute you sir
My new favorite channel! Right up there with engineering explained but I like the projector a lot better than the Whiteboard!!! You'll hit a million subs in no time!
EE is another another (lower) level though, the explanations can be kind of rambly and unpolished and half the time it feels like classroom presentation while you stare at a whiteboard even though the whiteboard isn't all that informative.
Problem with EE is how each video has sponsored marketing and he just pushes the product down your throat as, "good science".
chuckwalla - Agreed. It was funny at first but now he's just in the way and contributes zero.
Having an automotive channel here on TH-cam that is mostly mechanical related I found this video to have excellent and true fact info. Great job!
Ozzstar See you on the VinWiki channel too..lol
except that it's not " a motor": it's an engine. Motor=electric.
+frank burn you are correct. The video is informative and true to fact. Nothing is perfect.
+True-Patriot I do get around from time to time ;)
frank burn tell that to “General Motors” or “Ford Motor Company” or many of the other manufacturers with “motor” in their name.
This is probably the best video I’ve ever watched, ever in my life ……no joke. That was so informative I learned so much.
Mark, long time subscriber and former factory trained line tech for VW, Porsche, Audi, service manager and crew chief/fabricator for several drag cars, SCCA class cars and drag racing projects. I appreciate your efforts producing these in depth tech articles.You mentioned the install of oil catch cans to reduce the blow by products in the intake stream. One can find many online via Amazon, Ebay and aftermarket kits from vendors ranging from $30 to $200+. I think it would be interesting if you or someone could do a break down on the features, advantages of these products. Some are well designed, some are junk. It would be beneficial to have someone separate the 'wheat from the chaff' per say for those that care about their cars.
Hey Dan. I have a 2006 VW Golf MK 1.4 TSI BMY. The car has no problems, YET... What can I do to prevent it? I use Shell V-power and fuel cleaner every 6 months. Is there anything else? I change the oil every 10.000kms with Castrol 5W/30 LL3
My '15 F150 EcoBoost 3.5L GDI Twin Turbo has been terrific. 149k mis. Use 89 octane Shell always. Pennzoil Ultra Platinum full synthetic oil @5k mi OCI.
Humble mechanic has an excellent video on this
It's highly dependent on your emissions standard in your area. Southern California Air Resouce Board demands cutting edge technology. Due to the fact the SFV has 20 million engines burning every day along with Long Beach Ship, Boat, Truck, Train traffic 24/7. If you want info for OEMs that provide the proper Impactor device. Cummins has great products from Fleet guard.
I agree!!
Looking forward to that
I care about making them last!!
Thanks
Thanks for this man! Best car guy on TH-cam
Some observations: The blowby gases do not move up past the rings (~7:17), they move from the combustion process down into the cylinder and into the crankcase. They are then routed back into the intake via a positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) valve. This has been done since the 1960s (I believe). Before that, it was routed directly into the atmosphere out of the bottom of the engine through what was known as a breather tube. Watch an old movie and notice the dark area in the center of highway lanes. That is a big long streak from all the breather tubes from all the old cars as they passed by where oil dripped out. Back to now, sludge does indeed build up on the back of intake valves (not on exhaust valves) for two reasons. The fuel injectors in GDI equipped vehicles do not spray fuel on them as stated and many engines now are smaller and work harder with higher cylinder pressures thereby creating more of these blowby gases than engines of the past. Well, is this a problem, the buildup on the back of the intake valves? Maybe and maybe not. Don't let videos like this say it's always a problem because it most certainly is not. Skipping ahead, the PVC system is most definitely not under vacuum as stated in the video. There is positive pressure in there not a vacuum. Only in turbocharged or supercharged applications are there pressures greater in the intake than in the crankcase and then only when boost conditions exist which are brief and infrequent. Therefore, having an oil that has low volatility in a vacuum is worthless. In summary, this issue is way overblown. Only under rare circumstances do you need a catchcan. GDI technology allows manufacturers produce powerful, clean burning engines. If you run your engine hard and have 300k km or 200k mi on it, you may want to consider cleaning the intake valves but not before. Don't buy into these scare stories. I have a GM 2.0L turbo engine with GDI. GM recommends to not clean the intake valves on my engine. GM designed it, they've tested it, they know what they're talking about. Otherwise a good video.
I don't know nearly enough to have an opinion one way or the other. I do have a GM car with a direct injection engine, and have found out that GM will void the warranty if a catch can is used. Any ideas why they would do that if the catch can is only supposed to do good things for the engine? Could it be that they simply don't want any modifications at all to the engine or could there be a legitimate downside to using something like a catch can?
@@erickdj2009 catch can makes you more vulnerable to introducing water into the system
@@thetechlibrarian How so? Does the catch can collect moisture or condensation?
@@erickdj2009 if vented to atmosphere it turns a closed loop into an open loop increasing the propensity for atmospheric moisture to enter the engine.
Indeed. The P.C.V system causes the same issue for any car other than direct injection.
Awesome explanation! Have 2013 Sonata, I use CRC GDI IVD Intake Valve cleaner thru air intake, have to be really careful maintaining low rpm's during and after treatment, works like a port injector, absolutely best video I have seen, THANK YOU.
"Finally"... a comprehensive explanation of GDI engines
Long overdue. I had to work it out myself. Obvious when you stop to think.
pasoundman what was so obvious
@@martese6555 Modern engines use positive crankcase and exhaust gas recirculation. That will introduce hydrocarbons into the intake which then get burnt onto the inlet valve rear faces. This can 'kill' an engine.
Our shop picked up the 3C Carbon Cleaner from ATS Carbon Clean about 9 months ago. It works FANTASTIC! We tried all the usual chemical companies, BG, SeaFoam, etc with very little effect to carbon deposits. The 3C does the job in 15 min without disassembly. Highly recommend looking into. Great Video!
can you put this is gas to clean or have to take apart to clean?
It decarbons the injectors and the oil system but it doesn't clean the intake valves.
I took the intake off my 3.0 SRX and used regular gas to clean my valves.
Worked. I found out Gasoline cleans carbon really well. I poured gas in, used
a long wire brush, soaked it up, blue it out wit air and it worked.
Sold aftermarket parts ten years. THIS IS the BEST VIDEO EXPLANATION EVER!!!!
As atech I can honestly say the newer gdi and thinner viscosity oils ,which are all used to increase fuel economy or getter more for less. But the expense is sacrificing engine longevity and increasing higher maintenance costs. So it's really benefiting the sales department more than the consumer.
This is probably the best video I've ever seen that explains what's going on in an engine when it comes to the visuals. The 3D animations are clear and just beautiful to watch.
Phenomenal Video!!! Best explanation I have found. I knew my oil catch can has been making a big difference in my BMW N54 Engine.
No, Catch Can does not make a difference, at least it is minimum--according to the engineers
@@tony37068 Bottom line is, after thousands of miles those catch cans are filled with oil, without the catch can all that shit is going straight back into the engine
The best car Channel ! Actually give honest opinion about cars, not a “ both great all good” channel, you can actually hear good & bad thing about a car not just “ they both great and awesome” thank you !
absolutely amazing video, great information and the break down was flawless. I literally bought my 2018 Tacoma simply because of the duel injectors.
This is a huge eye opener for me as my Wife and I own two modern Hyundais with GDI engines ... I know my mechanic personally but will have to see if he's able to clean the valves for us. Thank you for the great content.
Cheers! I brought it up to my Mechanic tonight and he said he put some throttle body cleaner through the system. I'll make sure i do it every 7500km when I change the oil.
@3 name changes allowed every 90 days.
Detailed, good video. I recently saw an explanation for use of CRC Cleaner for GDI engines. I does not look as good as walnut blasting photos, but much easier, and cheaper to do. I don't work for CRC, but the video is helpful and informative. Titled: How To Use CRC GDI Intake Valve & Turbo Cleaner.
Yep just did catch can on mazda cx-5. Nice and difficult to get to and they use 5/8 on pcv and and 3/8 on intake so had to use reducer, fun stuff hope it stays sealed and doesnt clog. After 45,000 valves looked like the ones in your pictures. Bought one off amazon and re-engineered it to work better. Just checked it today and was almost half full After bout 2000 miles.Trying to clean with seafoam or anything else with flushing method will get you a nice expensive brand new caty. Ask me how i know.Gotta clean with brush or walnuts not fun either way but to each his own. Thank you so much for the pcv system. Makes life so much fun... so much
When looking for a used car a couple years ago one of my goals was to get a vehicle without direct injection just to avoid the carbon buildup. Granted, a DI engine "may" only need valve cleaning a few times during ownership, but my choice was to avoid it all together. I do have a feeling as time goes on it will be harder to find a non-DI engine but I'll deal with that when the time comes and "maybe" this service will common enough that cost isn't too outrageous.
DI is, and always will be overcomplicated junk.
Smart comment 👌.
@@dannygreen7473 ok boomer
I highly recommend a 2012-2017 Camry
@@georgejungle138 At least boomers can change a tire and replace a battery without wondering if the fluid in a battery would taste good. Millineals……..Gen Z’ers…..most useless generations to ever come along. Eating Tide Pods pretty much confirmed that. The inability to drive a manual transmission is also laughable. More than likely the guy that will clean your valves for you will be a boomer. Be careful who you criticize.
Wow, I'm very impressed with the quality of the content here. This definitely earned my Subscription
Yeh i agree
Remember EGR on engines? The reason you don't see it anymore after the early 2000's is the Camshaft Lobe profiles changed to allow the intake valve to open early allowing some exhaust to be pushed back up the intake to be re-burned. The delete of EGR was a big cost save for manufacturers. This is how the burnt carbon is getting on the valves. The PCV system is making it worse by adding the unburned fuel and oil vapor to the carbon deposit only to be cooked and coated with carbon again when that intake valve opens late in the exhaust stroke. We can thank the EPA and Manufacturers for the issues associated with the layering effect and carbon buildup in DI engines.
Quite a few Modern GDI turbo engine's still run a n EGR
This is a very informative video and describes the problems related to direct injection very well. He did make a couple
mis-statements when describing the sequence of events during combustion. When combustion occurs there is a great deal
of pressure created which drives the piston down. But some of that unburnt fuel and air pressure pass the piston rings and
ends up in the crankcase. This pressure does not travel up into the engine as much as it travels down into the crankcase.
The vapor rise through the passages in the crankcase. It is later when all the fuel vapor rises to the top of the engine and is
pushed out the PCV circuit. The PCV circuit dumps this vapor into the intake system, so that it can be burned.
I run a lawn mower fuel filter between the crankcase & PCV valve on my car. I get the clear ones, so I can watch the filter element. They last ~7000 miles, on my car, and they're cheap. 1/4" in/outlet filter was an easy install by only cutting the OEM hose, and it's right on top! (for an '01 Prelude with ~126k miles)
I worked for Orbital Engine Co in the test department where my job was to optimise the fuel delivery timing to combustion space using our two fluid direct injection system. The injector used two chambers . Low pressure fuel was metered by the lower chamber and the upper chamber was fed with high pressure air which was used to blast the fuel into the combustion space at the appropriate time for the particular speed and load. Using the air assist injection gave us control over the spray pattern and droplet size and playing with stratified charge enabled air fuel ratios as lean as 70:1. Had a great time mapping the engines! Transferred to the Tune Department and my job was to push the engine to it's power limits so basically I got paid to blow up hand built engines at$50k a pop! haha!
Wow, thank you for sharing, i felt like i was in college again for my engineering class, this time though it applies to my real life experience. I just got a car with Gdi and was browsing on ways to maintain. Amazing facts one must know for today's car owners, unless of course you have tons of money to spare for the expensive electric cars. ;-) thanks again
Can an injection Port be put in the catch can or drilled into the intake above the valve for spraying seafoam or Lucas occasionally during oil changes for example.
Or have a gallon of it in the trunk of the car and every so many miles it just injects it in there. While the engines is good and hot while cruising down the interstate.
Great. Most of it still goes over my head tbh. But this helped me understand better. My car has DI. 67k miles. No buildup problems that I can tell so far 👍
GDI.Guaranteed dealer income.
Well said!!!
Ding ding!! Just like all the other bs in modern computers, oh, I mean cars
owned my GDI hyundai 5 years not even skipped a beat yet.. and my neighbour just sold his after 9 years so some manufacturers well go while a while before cleaning be 6 to 7 year when spark plugs would be due at that point
@@joebrown9621 whoosh 😐
Really gets old hearing the simple minded conspiracy response to just about everything.
BOY did he get blowby backwards. Blowby happens on the compression stroke and builds up in the crankcase. Than that pressure is past into the PCV (Positive crankcase ventilation)valve into the intake so it can get
re-burned. That is how the oil
vapors are getting onto the back of the intake valve or valves.
Right... The explanation given in the video is wrong...
You are correct. This guy in the video got PCV all wrong. Even his explanation is illogical. Higher pressure in the crankcase bleeds into combustion chamber? So where was this ‘higher pressure’ coming from? Was not aware that combustion took place in the crankcase - dope. He spent more time editing his video for dramatic effect than fact checking.
Thank you, now I don't have to write a correction for him. Was a great Vid till he got to the Blow by. But a well made video except for the incorrect Blow By Info!
Yep, a good example of total misunderstanding of the PCV system.
Blowby happens during the power stroke when combustion chamber pressure is the highest. This extremely high pressure can force small amounts of gas past the rings into the crankcase while the piston is going down. The pressure during compression is relatively minor in comparison and if the rings leak during compression, they will absolutely let the combustion gases get by during the power stroke. That piston would be well down on power and needs a rebuild to restore the rings.
Great explanation, I have a 2023 Kia Sportage with a 2.5L duel injection engine. I’m so fortunate, I didn’t preselect this engine when I was shopping but discovered the issues with GDI after my purchase. Carbon affects all manufacturers and now that I know, I’m staying away from GDI exclusively. My 2013 Toyota Highlander had 237K miles on it, butter smooth until I sold it recently, obviously it was MPI. I’m planning on keeping my Kia long term too, and luckily I have great 👍🏾 odds with my current dual fuel injection system. I’ll share this video as I hope it reaches many. 👍🏾
This is an excellent video. Thanks for the hard work. I understand fuel injection waaaay better now.
Excellent video. This is how every TH-cam video should be!!!! I really enjoyed it. Nicely explained,great graphics, great voice. THANKS X 100😀😀😀😀💗
Thanks for an outstanding video.
I must say, if I had properly researched GDI, I would not have leased a new Sentra. Since it's a lease, I can "dump it" in a few years, obviously. But if I still love it at the end of the lease, I doubt I would buy it because of these issues.
Peace.
Uploaded 4 years ago but still very relevant. Not many manufacturers are talking about this. Especially now all engines are going turbo direct injection.
Very informative and well done video! I think the Toyota idea of running both port and direct is the way to go.
As always excellent content. Keep it comming, hands down best around here. Glad to see your sub count climbing, even though I know it's not why you do this. Keep it up!
I want to see a high mileage skyactiv brought into the shop and intake removed.
Aarown1017 theory on my forum is occasionally rev the engine high and that would clean it. Search for BILD a German auto magazine. They rated mazdas as top 3 in reliability in many segments. The 3,6 and CX-5
Aarown1017 Skyactiv engines have air/oil separators. Mazda claims they have no intake valve buildup issues. I still wouldn’t mind seeing dual injection from them like Toyota.
my 2014 CX-5 with 175 000km on it, canadian winter/summer city driven is still nickel. no issues. I use mobil extended since bought at 80k.
Here's one with 50,000 miles on it. th-cam.com/video/txavifZgHwo/w-d-xo.html
Skyactiv engines should have no problem according to another Savagegeese review. th-cam.com/video/R7yHcGbBh7g/w-d-xo.html
Great video. I've read none of the comments. But the BG and CRC distributors will come out in force with their unproven chemical wash. This can damage your engine. Ford and other automakers say don't use these chemicals for many reasons ...at any time. The only way to prevent carbon buildup is using a air/oil separator(catch can) and walnut blasting. Don't spray anything down your intake.
What about installing an aftermarket water injection system, wouldn't that address the intake valve build up by removing the carbon?
Rob King
Very correct, one problem.
Water injection is hard on catalysts because of cooling effect on the egt is below optimal function for it. Gums them up.
Is this why BMW has switched to Pennzoil/Shell as their preferred oil? Noack of 7 vs Castrol's 10.5?
Hi Glen,
The 100% PAO-Ester based oils while expensive do have a low Noack index. Pennzoil Ultra is an example. When i swapped from Movil-1 to a 100% PA0-Ester i noticed my engine's (Audi 3L TFSI) oil consumption was much less, a good 75% less. Indeed over 4,000 miles, the dipstick level now drops by only 3 mm. Whereas with Mobil-1 i felt obliged to top it up with 1/2 a litre between intervals.
Zen Den what oil do you specifically use
OUTSTANDING video!! Mr. Goose and his vids NEVER lay an egg 🥚!! BRAVO 👏
Excellent ! Straightforward, no-nonsense explanations that most will understand. Why isn't this style of video more common. Answer, because certain 'actors' would try to mislead you.
I , m a retired engine mechanic. I still fix my own vehicles. I won’t own anything built after 2000.
1.2 TSI, 270.000km liquid LPG direct injection, runs like a champ! Much better than the silly 1.0 Mpi engine I've had before. Plenty of torque from 1500RPM and smooth driving! Awesome!
My 99 Toyota Camry solara coupe was the most reliable car I've ever been around I was an idiot when I owned it when it came to changing fluids and maintenance and kept running forever used to have to drive it 250 miles a day for work
Always wondered how the INTAKE ports in a direct injection engine were getting carbon-ed up. How did it get into the intake manifold? Thanks for the explanation!
Sounds like direct injection cars should all have oil separators. Unfortunately, DI cars tend to be expensive, and the people who can afford them will trade them in before or when they need major maintenance, so there's no incentive to add that expense.
Direct injection was created with the diesel engine, current version: (Direct injection has been used on diesel engines since the 1950s. These systems use a powerful, positive displacement fuel pump to pump diesel through injectors mounted directly in the cylinder.)
Good idea with diesel fuel, but pretty bad with gasoline, it seems.
This should be a part of all automotive training in high school. Awesome vid
Great presentation, my entire working career was in automotive so I commend you for informing GDI owners of the potential problems they will face....
If the chevy 1.5 liter LYX engine in my wifes 2020 equinox says to use 0w20 oil.....should i switch to a 5w30 you think?...only full synthetic ofcourse....it has 20.000 miles on it....been using valvoline 0w20 advanced full synthetic....was thinking bout changing it to mobil 1 advanced 5w30.....only like 1.4 centistokes difference in viscosity @100 celcius.
Living on "the cutting edge" of auto tech you end up bleeding...money.
Living on the foreskin of technology.
dav ep so gdi carbon build up on valves is dick cheese?
that happens with all cars and its unavoidable, so might as well pick the car of your choice and save money
dav ep Someone get my car a Rabbi quick
Great video, I've been a licensed technician for almost 50 years.. and what a change.. sometimes good,, sometimes bad.. but the worst common denominator to all those years and cars.......People are either idiots or cheap. People will never change oil on time or sooner, and never use high grade fuel.. these oils have the viscosity of baby piss, and manufactues are pushing the absolute joke of eco oil, promising its so thin that it helps mileage. And let's not forget tuneups or simply maintaining tire pressures. DI is great, but....
Then you have the expensive high pressure fuel pumps that will need to be replaced eventually in the GDI cars.
I personally think camshaft-controlled EUI's (Electronic Unit Injectors) would be the best of both worlds. Could this work in a gasoline engine?
Exactly. Sad truth is, you do not want to hang onto a GDI-only engine vehicle long term. If you are thinking long term, best get a vehicle with an "old school" port injection type of an engine, or else perhaps if you do not mind the complexity and added dangers, one that combines port with direct spark ignition fuel injection. I am opting for the former. Toyota and Lexus products made and sold from the late 1980s to the mid 2000s come immediately to mind.
this is great info since we just bought a 2023 Kia with GDI. very well presented and the animations were a great help in promoting a true understanding of the valvetrain and problems that will occur. Thank you for bringing this to us!
What Kia did you buy?..
damn , cars nowadays are getting higher and higher cost maintenance. thank you Savagegeese, for this important info.
BruceTheSillyGoose It is honestly aggravating!
Yup. Catch can, top tier premium only, quality synthetic oil and seafoam/CRC direct injection cleaner annually. I really should bore scope it.
Another high quality and informative video from Mr. Goose, makes me kinda worried about my Mazda CX-5.😂😂
SIlive The NC doesnt habe DI and is just as much fun- and cheaper :)
He had a Mazda 3 with DI for several years with a bunch of miles on it, I think 50K plus, and didn't have any problems with it.
Nothing to worry about. Just get the recommended maintenance/cleaning done every 30,000-60,000 miles. It’s not that expensive and you can enjoy carefree driving for years to come.
SIlive Ive got a 2011 NC with all extras as my first car. Its really so much fun to drive- mountain roads with great views are the strong points.
The BRZ is 5000€ more expensive here in Austria and insurance is also higher. The BRZ is also fun to drive and more usable on a daily basis.
If you dont care a lot about practicality go for the NC otherwise with the BRZ.
I never had a problem with it- just fun to trow around in the corners. Maye think about the hardtop version if you drive in winter/highway as it gets really noisy with the normal version
...yet
I'm glad TH-cam has gotten me here. A very good vid, consistent with all I already knew on the topic. You've gotten yourself a new subscriber!
Thanks Man! This explanation was Gold! Very detailed, researched, and very precisely on ALL aspects, for more of this on youtube
I did not get your name so I will just call you "Goose" my call sign is "Maverik". Any who, I just wanted to say how impressed I was with the quality of this video. I have not seen anything else you have done yet but kudos to you for taking the time to put a quality product out there. Two thumbs up!! Over and out
Excellent explanation. Yes, the 90's through 2008 were the best of gas engines. Direction injection and 10 speed automatic transmissions are vehicles to avoid if you plan to keep the vehicle
There are some 2010s gas engines that are pretty solid too namely the 2015 Toyota Camry, 2013 Infiniti G37, and a few others which have port fuel injection and transmissions with 8 or less speeds.
Naw not true as a blanket statement. My 2020 Ranger with 88k miles has Turbo, DI, and a 10 speed. It has been perfect and Ranger is now rated as the most reliable mid-size truck (Yes..Taco is 3rd place currently). Looked at the valves just 5k miles ago with the bore scope and very very little carbon buildup at all.
@@adamharris2674imagine thinking a modern ford will last 😂. RIP at 150,000km brother.
After watching dozens of videos, nothing compares to the explanations in this video. I have a DI engine and I suspect the poor performance is due to carbon buildup in the valve intakes as other owners of the same model have reported this problem. Thanks for the class!
Excellent (though scary) presentation! I can understand why manufacturers are switching to EVs as the regulations have pushed the engineering challenges into unsustainable areas.
No, there are solutions, but they cost money. The push to EVs is a religious faith-based movement and thus not very logical. Save the Planet! Riiiight, when what the West and Europe do will have minimal effect if the giants-- China, India, and Africa, don't do the same. And they don't and they won't.
Excellent presentation Mark , as always! You did mention oil catch can plus installing water/alcohol vapor injection it's a simple and economical solution for GDI engine carbon build up... keep up the great work 👍
This will also help with detonation
@@goblenator9688 correct, water vapor injection had been proven to increase mpg, help with detonation,less strains in the engine therefore less engine wearing, etc....
Sure makes me appreciate my old Lexus V8. The thing has zero blow-by and still can get 29mpg highway.
no internal combustion engine has zero blow by.. minimal sure..
Taylor Rhodes Toyota products are great. 👍🏼
UZ gang
mike dicke IS250 has GDI.
Lol 29 mpg no way you're getting that in an old v8 you lying bitch.
I've been already well aware of all the stuff mentioned in the video. The individual in this video explains it well, much better than 95% of the other rubbish I've seen on youTube about direct injection and carbon build up. Well done 🍻
Just found your channel because I wanted to learn more about DI on engines. This was a great explanation of the operation and the pros and cons. Well explained. Will be looking at more of your videos. Thanks much for sharing. 👍
This is pretty good, better explained than Engineering Explained channel.
Fantastic video. Really interesting & informative, very well explained. Loving your work 👌
Thank you for upfront no nonsense none biased reviews .