Hey! Which pedals would you add to the list? Drop a comment and we can discuss. A couple things I wanted to add: I was using my Dr Z Maz-18 Jr here with Settings - Bass 12.00, Treble 10.00, Middle 14.00. To my ears the DS-1 sounded much better through that amp! And the up close of the hog at the end I was using the first three octave up sliders, I must have knocked them down before filming it upclose.
I can either tell my wife I am having an affair, though all the guitar pedals and boxes appearing on our front door is a dead giveaway where the money is being spent on.
If anyone likes the Verbzilla but can't find one, the Line 6 M5 has all of the settings the Verbzilla has plus a ton more stuff. It's a good pedal to have in general just to try out a lot of different effects.
Maybe something to add, on the M5 it's even better than on the verbzilla. On the M5 you actually have true stereo, the verbzilla just takes input A + B, sums them up and then sends the exactly the same signal to output A and B, so basically dual mono.
The fact that you told us what the five petals were upfront, is the main reason I’m going to stick around to watch the rest of it. Thank you very much. You have a new subscriber?
The Op Amp Big Muff Pi is a fantastic fuzz for under $100. It has a lot of range in what it pairs with, which helps with signal chain choices. I have a Keeley Moon Op Amp Fuzz which isn't much different and love it.
A super under rated delay pedal is the seymour duncan vapor trails, It's an analog delay that you can control the modulation and go very extreme with it. But it also has an fx loop that you can plug a split stereo trs cable into it and run like just the delay through a pitch shift. You can also just plug an expression pedal into the fx loop and it works as a volume pedal on exclusively the delay. It's a very fun pedal to experiment with that no one talks about.
I've got a DOD fx75b flanger that's the best modulation I've ever tried! Celestial chorus, very vocal flanger and some great in-between sounds. Stereo, too!
The pedal that is on almost ALL of my recorded music is the Digitech FreQout. I record at home direct to my interface at very low volume, but this helps get sustain and feedback that sounds like I'm playing thru a hi-gain stack at full volume. I highly recommend it.
Cascade is kind of still in production, the original owner of Cascade passed away and they stopped business. I believe the family then rebranded and started production again as “Pinnacle.” They even still do repairs on the old Cascade models since it’s literally the same mic just with a name change. Cheers!
The Verbzilla is basically the granddaddy of pedals like the Meris Mercury 7 and LVX. Angelo Mazzocco (DSP engineer at Meris) used to work at Line 6, where he collaborated with Jeorge Tripps on the Tonecore series. If you've never tried the Mercury 7, I have to insist that you do! It includes the best reverb algorithms I've ever heard (including the ones from Strymon). It's a shoegaze-heaven kinda pedal.
I had no idea the Horrors were using this pedal , nor that they had a second release. Now I have to buy both! thanks and cheers for great content. I really like the EH oceans 11 pedal for budget shoegaze . cheers!
What an amazing pedal isn’t it. I kinda like that not that many people have it as it does just sound slightly ‘different’ to other stuff that does a similar job.
ive noticed what you are talking about with the ds 1 and how its hard to tame helps to have your amp already overdriven a bit by its pre amp or with a pedal, either way the extra compression on the signal helps to lessen how much it boosts the signal in ur rig.
As a bassist I’ve used the verbzilla since it came out it was my first reverb I personally loved the cave setting in my old band I would use it to thicken up a song and make more atmosphere in the background. I also would use a dod fx72 bass flanger but more of a chorus sound it just sounds better and I would use my old friend the boss odb-3 bass overdrive. Used one since 2006! That’s pretty much it with effects minus the sans amp to bring things to life or to get a svt blowing up your amp sound.
Funny that for shoegaze I looove the 'Shallow Detune' on the v1 Whammy more than the small clone (and other most chorus pedals). It's the one and only thing I miss about it after owning one for 3 decades and then selling it a year ago...
Another relatively modern band that used the Whammy was The White Stripes. Jack White used it for the "bass" lines on songs like Seven Nation Army with the octave down function & on plenty of solos with the octave up. Not shoegaze or even all that alternative, but a well known band which many have probably heard & might not have known it's the Whammy making those sounds.
This is my kind of channel! :) I like the sound, even though I don't like any of those pedals, except for the Whammy. That one is a classic. I stumbled upon the Whammy sounds by getting the TC Electronic Brainwaves in 2021 when I started building my first pedalboard ever. Up until then I was only using digital modellers by Boss and Line 6. Those things are great, but digital modellers just gave me too many options. I got option paralysis. I spent more time tweaking sounds than playing. I also had no reference of the amps and the majority of the effects that they were modelling, which made it hard to know what the F to do. But when I built my first pedalboard with an overdrive, distortion, chorus, tremolo, delay and reverb, plus the pitch shifter... My world changed! I got the pitch shifter to tune down when practicing and playing songs by other bands that were tuned down, and I didn't have a guitar that was in C or D or dropped C... I had my standard, Eb and dropped D guitars. Well, it turns out the Brainwaves opened up a lot of things for me, and I used it more for layering octaves. The problem with that pedal, though, is that the dry sound comes through for a few milliseconds at the initial attack, which makes the thing I'm playing sound dissonant, out of tune with the mix turned to 100% wet. I recently bought a DigiTech Drop and it's so much better and more transparent, they're not even in the same league. The TC Electronic Brainwaves shouldn't even go to the mix 100% wet, because it just doesn't work. That pedal did teach me more about the whammy effect and bunch of other cool things, but the only reason I still have it is that e.g. the DigiTech Riccochet doesn't give me the possibility to mix in an octave up AND an octave down (or whatever interval) at the same time, and a mix knob to let me choose how much of the try signal I'm getting. I haven't tried the Electro Harmonix Pitch Fork, though. Maybe I could, and see if it does the same thing that the Brainwaves does, only without that dry signal leak with the mix at 100% wet. On the other hand, the Pitch Fork doesn't have a Whammy function and doesn't have the Mash function. If DigiTech made a Riccochet 2 with a mix knob, I would buy it in an instant, even if it didn't have two voices. Maybe I can contact DigiTech and suggest a product. :)
I totally know what you mean about getting option paralysis. I’ve certainly been known to waste loads of time ‘chasing the sound’ when actually I had it 3 hours ago haha. It sounds like that’s exactly what you need. Maybe contacting digitech is a good shout. Maybe like an a/b box that you could mix the sound yourself?
@@thesethingsmakenoises I emailed DigiTech, we'll see what happens. But the A/B box was a great idea! I never thought of it myself. I don't have much space on my board, but if I take off the Univibe (I'm never really using it for songs or parts, I'm just on rare occasions playing around with it), make some more room in some other way (my distortion is so close to fuzz that I might not need fuzz, and I could remove the looper too), then I'll have enough space. I could perhaps even keep the fuzz and put it at the end of my chain. We'll see what happens. 😁 By the way, I forgot to ask you in tje original comment: what is your band's name?
@@thesethingsmakenoises I learned today that the Boss Line Selector LS-2 is a way to go. If I put the DigiTech Ricochet in one loop and leave the other loop uneffected, I will have the mix knob functionality. Then I plug in my LS-2 into the first loop of my loop switcher and program my patches the way they need to be. I ike the sound of an octave up (and an octave down) with the mix at around 50 % combined with a tremolo and just a touch of overdrive for that little subtle grit. And that's my organ sound for that one riff in that one song that I'm working on. It COULD be overkill to go all that way for just that one song haha! On the other hand, I like mixing in the dry signal with an octave up (or down) for some things, sooo... This is a solution. However, I will have to remove two pedals off of my board if I want to fit the Ricochet and the LS-2. Brainwaves is a given, it's going away in that case. But I want to keep the DigiTech Drop on my board too, because I want to be able to tune down sometimes. Or I can just keep the Drop behind my board where I have my input and output (I have a patchbay) and just turn on the Drop when it's time to use it. I don't think I will be using the Drop much. I bought it so I can tune down to B or A (from my D standard guitar) and play some heavy post metally ambient rock. But I don't play much of that, I just have some ideas for a side project... I guess I can manage without the Drop for now. Line Selector and Ricochet are possibly going on my board soon. Thanks for the idea of an A/B box. You've given me a lot to think about, as you see! :D
These are all kinda pedestrian for shoe gaze. Morley Echo Volume, Ross Stereo Delay, boss Slow Gear. and if yo are going to add a DS1 you might as well say the Boss Feedbacker Distortion which is a D1 with a harmonic sustain function.
your description of the Hog organ sound made me think of the song “More” on Low’s final album. it’s a great blown-out organ bass but more interesting to my ears, does sound guitar-controlled but not like a conventional guitar synth or something like the EHX 9-series (or so i suppose). i saw someone guess that it may be a Pog (in part) and you know, that harmonics mixer might actually be the thing. it also vibes like a pedal i’d expect to see Alan using while writing/preproducing/recording, if not in a live pedalboard. and i think i might have actually preferred the Neo Clone over the original in that brief shootout. less thinned-out internal filtering maybe? i probably won’t be buying another standard chorus anytime soon, but good to know of this option.
The whammy is not polyphonic which adds to the charm. Basically, the wet signal can only latch on to one tone at a time so chords cause the pedal fight against itself adding a random glitchy, warbly tone to it. You can hear it in Subterranean Homesick Alien by Radiohead on Johnny’s guitar parts right when the band comes in on the intro. POG/HOG pedals are much cleaner and don’t give you the weird glitchy effect that’s iconic in the whammy.
My favourite pedal is my Electro Harmonix Graphic Fuzz, (I have the OG one). I got it when I went into a local guitar store looking for a nice overdrive, and the guy working there came up to me with this. I think it was a second hand they just got traded in. And it just absolutely NAILED the sound I was looking for.
That sounds awesome! I’ve never actually tried one. I’ve seen it before on other peoples boards but not myself. A bassist in a band we played with used it on their bass and it sounded amazing!
@@thesethingsmakenoises I really like your idea about using a fuzz with the shimmer. Never done that but it sounds neat. I am a huge fan of the spring and hall settings in particular, but yeah. It does lots and sounds great.
I think that the whammy was developed with kevin shield for my bloody valentine. If i remember correctly, he asked for a pitch shifter with a expression pedal attached to emulate playing with your picking hand on the guitar tremolo, but without fucking up the tuning of the guitar.
Great content. I stopped watching guitar TH-cam (apart from Eric Haugen), as all the videos were so repetitive and never touched on the genres I enjoyed. Excellent to see content that is relevant to current alternative music. Cheers
I was using digital verb, and more in the 90’s I’m 47 you had to be there I guess. It wasn’t bad back then, you could use them fine today actually, get them cheap its junk to most people now, you could get some cool tones, but they weren’t as versatile or compact.
Shoegaze is the perfect genre if you don't want to over obsess on pedals 😂 Nice Whammy, had a look around few weeks ago yet I might go for an EXH Cock Fight Plus wah/fuzz or get a cheap SkySurfer reverb and a Big Muff. All pedals you mentioned are worth a look. And anything Boss, EHX,MXR is at least a quality product.
The WarloW got to my attention in one of your other vids. What a pedal! Fuzz Monstrosity...now that is a funny name as well 😊 Also like the EHX Hot Tubes and Flatiron. I am merging from a Boss fanboy into an EHX fanboy 😂 MXR is next 😂
I love the Whammy, I’m always using the octave up harmony to add atmosphere when I’m playing an E-Bow or I’m doing ambience. Edit: Got to the HOG part and I did something really similar using the Whammy for the outro of a song I did with my old band. Still one of my favorites we made.
@@thesethingsmakenoises It should be on every platform Cesar's Basement - Cesar's Basement. It's a little rough since we were on a bit of a time crunch but I still adore the outro.
4:12 Apparently Cascade Mics are still going, but now under the name Pinnacle, after the original owner passed away and the name Cascade wasnt able to be transferred due to some snag outside of his control
Aaaaaahhhhhh the Verbzilla. I can’t begin to explain how massive this pedal was when I discovered it. I found a video on TH-cam of a guy recreating the intro to Where the Streets Have no Name. It was dreadful in terms of recording quality but boy it took me to the Verbzilla and now here I am. Combining that with discovering lowercase noises (Andy Othling)and I was awayyyyyyy.
@@thesethingsmakenoises he is the Godfather of ambient. He hasn’t actually released new music for a while. He is doing loads of pedal development with OBNE and is cohost on their podcast.
@@thesethingsmakenoises yeah he’s a bit of a legend. In fact andsoistopped is always written in lower case because of Andy. Because of what it’s a about I am leaning into Joshua Tree era Edge in a few places on the new album ‘singing ghost stories’ which is a lot of fun. But also hard because he’s a fooofing genius.
@@thesethingsmakenoises The C4 doesn't really open up unless you're willing to dive into the Neuro App, but once you do it's pretty incredible what it can do. 6 On-Board Presets or 128 via Midi, Full Expression Control with assignable parameters, 2 Independent LFOs, dual signal path for different effects for Input/Output 1 or 2, two independent 16 step sequencers, a full Pitch shifting section that allows you to make your own octaves/choruses/harmonies (with solid control over the tracking range and tuning adjustments of the instrument you intend to use), Swell effects, Phaser, Distortion, Bit Crushing, and the entire Envelope Filter section from their Spectrum Filter is also included so you can port in presets from the Spectrum as well. It does all of that stuff individually if needed and thats still not dipping into the Synthesizer portion of the pedal which is really a result of blending all of those sections, and you can blend up to 4 sections at a time. I could honestly keep going, but this is a lengthy comment already lol. Combine the C4 with the LVX from Meris and you could be writing full albums/soundtracks in minutes, literally infinite inspiration within those two pedals.
Joff from wolf alice also used the hog in the studio and said it was cause the horrors as well. Also that reverb into the distortion was awesome, I’ve never heard anything like it
Love the sound of the HOG, i had an EHX Superego when they were first released and i think that came close, but was more of a one trick pony sort of pedal. The pedals i would add would be a Boss GE7, it can completely transform a guitar sound and it can really help with dirt pedals. The other would be a Marshall Guv'nor to my ears it just creates a gorgeous warm feel and is a great pedal to build up the sound from - particularly if you are not able to play at volume. I'm pretty sure i saw somewhere as well that Kevin Shields used two of them on the road when touring Loveless for alot of the baseline sound.
I'd always fancied a Whammy. I thought it might make me sound more like Corgan, but never had the spare dough for it or the Boss Harmonisers I had my eyes on.
cool vid, i had the Whammy 4, love it so much. but i replaced it Boss PS-3 due to its size. but Whammy is way better sounding. had the Line 6 Verbzilla as well, that too replaced with Line 6 M9. its a solid reverb pedal. rests are how you use them with any drive pedal (currently im using Boss BD-2)
I’d have to say very cool vid esp opposed to all the boutique type pedal videos out there by so-called experts lol. (After all it’s all personal taste)
@@thesethingsmakenoises there's a 'short' on my channel showing how I tried this. (Hope it's ok to mention that) I think I titled this something like 'guitar pedal tricks, 2 pedals 1 foot' and I actually ended up permanently connecting my DigiTech whammy to my DigiTech RP360 for this and I love it. Works great with chorus and pitch shift, vibrato and pitch shift, talk/vocoder and pitch shift. Or even using the detune in the whammy is nice also with other FX in the RP360 like delay or reverb intensity/mix.
@@thesethingsmakenoises I actually haven't listened to it in a while. Need to get back on it. Really interesting to hear a bit about how they got some of the sounds on it
I Think the verbazilla was used by one of the guitarist in Caspian, - listen to the album ‘Tertia’ - it’s used on a lot of Tracks, on that album - also Behringer made a clone of verbazilla which was called RV 600
@@thesethingsmakenoises yes, i have had a couple, since they break pretty easy, but being on a budget , and wanting a shimmer reverb back in the early 10’s - this was the way to achieve it. Still have two that works- but I’m seriously considering using in a loop thing like a EHX switchblade pro or likewise ‘cause stomping on behringer pedals, nah - though it sounds good, sadly it’s not in production anymore, and it’s already doubled in priced on the used market compared to the original retail price
Thanks. Never seen your channel before. Happy accident discovering this video. Indie/shoegaze/alt bands are what most influenced me as a fledgling guitarist back in the day. You've utterly convinced me that I need at least three if not all five of these pedals. Refreshing not to have a shreddy noodly player but someone playing the type of sounds I want to make. What's your band called?
Out of curoisity has anyone else heard of Faunts? There not exactly a shoegaze band but they definitely have awesome clean riffs. Both their albums M4 and Left Here Alone have amazing tones on them.
No way! That’s awesome. What year was that? Crispin Hunt the singer is a really accomplished song writer nowadays and has written some huge hits with other artists.
@@thesethingsmakenoises This would have been probably 1997. I was working in alternative rock radio here in Louisville, Kentucky at that time. We saw both those bands in tiny club just as the Dandy's were starting to blow up.
@@thesethingsmakenoises 15 years ago on the net, someone put a picture of it, on a stage.Smells like teen spirit, he does that feedback, with .... the DF-2. That is the reason it is worth a lot of money now, check e-bay bro, BASS player out !!!!!!
Hey! Which pedals would you add to the list? Drop a comment and we can discuss.
A couple things I wanted to add:
I was using my Dr Z Maz-18 Jr here with Settings - Bass 12.00, Treble 10.00, Middle 14.00. To my ears the DS-1 sounded much better through that amp!
And the up close of the hog at the end I was using the first three octave up sliders, I must have knocked them down before filming it upclose.
Also… I messed up when talking about the neo clone. To clarify:
Neo clone = Small Clone
Nano Clone = Clone Theory
you're gonna put me in debt with all those pedal recommendations
Haha I’m sorry! Hoping there’s some gems in here that you haven’t tried 😂🤘
I can either tell my wife I am having an affair, though all the guitar pedals and boxes appearing on our front door is a dead giveaway where the money is being spent on.
Get yourself an audio interface. I’m yet to come across a plug in that can’t be acquired for free if you know where to look.
*further in debt*
If anyone likes the Verbzilla but can't find one, the Line 6 M5 has all of the settings the Verbzilla has plus a ton more stuff. It's a good pedal to have in general just to try out a lot of different effects.
Ahh no way! Thanks, that’s really helpful ✌️
Maybe something to add, on the M5 it's even better than on the verbzilla. On the M5 you actually have true stereo, the verbzilla just takes input A + B, sums them up and then sends the exactly the same signal to output A and B, so basically dual mono.
No way I just realised what band he’s in. I’ve been listening October drift for ages and love their sound and no wonder I love his videos
Haha that’s awesome thank you!
The fact that you told us what the five petals were upfront, is the main reason I’m going to stick around to watch the rest of it.
Thank you very much. You have a new subscriber?
Thanks so much mate.
I think this May be one of the best pedal demo videos I’ve seen. You laid out some excellent ways to use these pedals! Thank you
Thanks so much. Really glad you enjoyed it!
i fucking love the hog, one of the greatest sounds i’ve ever heard
It’s an amazing pedal isn’t it.
The Op Amp Big Muff Pi is a fantastic fuzz for under $100. It has a lot of range in what it pairs with, which helps with signal chain choices. I have a Keeley Moon Op Amp Fuzz which isn't much different and love it.
It’s such an awesome pedal!
Hasnt left my board since i got it
The hog is so underrated as a synth pedal, its awesome
It’s a beast isn’t it. We have a Juno 6 synth in the studio and it sounds ridiculously good through that.
A super under rated delay pedal is the seymour duncan vapor trails, It's an analog delay that you can control the modulation and go very extreme with it. But it also has an fx loop that you can plug a split stereo trs cable into it and run like just the delay through a pitch shift. You can also just plug an expression pedal into the fx loop and it works as a volume pedal on exclusively the delay. It's a very fun pedal to experiment with that no one talks about.
That sounds awesome. Didn’t know about that pedal! I’ll check it out. ✌️
got an old ds1 from my aunt for christmas a few years ago and it’s been carrying midwest emo gigs
I've got a DOD fx75b flanger that's the best modulation I've ever tried! Celestial chorus, very vocal flanger and some great in-between sounds. Stereo, too!
Appreciate how you arrange your content and now dragging idea until the end of the video!
Thanks! It annoys me when people do that too!
The pedal that is on almost ALL of my recorded music is the Digitech FreQout. I record at home direct to my interface at very low volume, but this helps get sustain and feedback that sounds like I'm playing thru a hi-gain stack at full volume. I highly recommend it.
Ahh mate they look like such a cool pedal. Maybe I’ll look into getting one!
@@MusiKramS Yes, getting sustain and feedback with clean tones creates some really interesting sounds!
@6:17 immediately makes me think of the cure 'pictures of you'
That’s my favourite Cure song!!
@@thesethingsmakenoises me too!!!
Cascade is kind of still in production, the original owner of Cascade passed away and they stopped business. I believe the family then rebranded and started production again as “Pinnacle.” They even still do repairs on the old Cascade models since it’s literally the same mic just with a name change. Cheers!
Ahh no way! That’s really helpful. Thank you. 🙌
The Verbzilla is basically the granddaddy of pedals like the Meris Mercury 7 and LVX. Angelo Mazzocco (DSP engineer at Meris) used to work at Line 6, where he collaborated with Jeorge Tripps on the Tonecore series. If you've never tried the Mercury 7, I have to insist that you do! It includes the best reverb algorithms I've ever heard (including the ones from Strymon). It's a shoegaze-heaven kinda pedal.
No way that’s really interesting. I’ll have a look!
I had no idea the Horrors were using this pedal , nor that they had a second release. Now I have to buy both! thanks and cheers for great content. I really like the EH oceans 11 pedal for budget shoegaze .
cheers!
Your whammy solo has something going on. Thanks for the great video.
Thanks so much!
That DS-1 sound you got @10:50, reminds me of The Breeders tone so much! LOVE IT!
Haha yeah I see that! Thanks.
Recignised that Longpigs sound straight away! One of my favourite bands.
Ahh amazing band right!
You sold me on that verbzilla! Sounds sick
What an amazing pedal isn’t it. I kinda like that not that many people have it as it does just sound slightly ‘different’ to other stuff that does a similar job.
I appreciate every single upload of yours. Very inspiring riffs and gear!
Thanks so much mate. Glad they’re providing some value ✌️
@@thesethingsmakenoises I also have to add that I think you confused the Nano and the Neo Clone in your comment on the Clone Theory!
Yeah I heard that whilst listening to it back when I published it Doh!! Thanks, I’ll add that to my pinned comment.
ive noticed what you are talking about with the ds 1 and how its hard to tame helps to have your amp already overdriven a bit by its pre amp or with a pedal, either way the extra compression on the signal helps to lessen how much it boosts the signal in ur rig.
That’s a great tip!
Thx for sharing these awesome pedals. It was very inspirational.
No worries!
As a bassist I’ve used the verbzilla since it came out it was my first reverb I personally loved the cave setting in my old band I would use it to thicken up a song and make more atmosphere in the background. I also would use a dod fx72 bass flanger but more of a chorus sound it just sounds better and I would use my old friend the boss odb-3 bass overdrive. Used one since 2006! That’s pretty much it with effects minus the sans amp to bring things to life or to get a svt blowing up your amp sound.
That sounds awesome mate!
The Verbzilla before the distortion was excellent
It’s an awesome pedal. Thanks!
That video of the rat vs ds1 is why I bought the rat and love it
Legend! It’s a great pedal isn’t it
Mathew followill from the Kings of Leon uses the verbzilla in some of their old records. You can hear it on the track Arizona.
No way? That makes sense actually! Love that tune.
Funny that for shoegaze I looove the 'Shallow Detune' on the v1 Whammy more than the small clone (and other most chorus pedals).
It's the one and only thing I miss about it after owning one for 3 decades and then selling it a year ago...
They give a weird digital grit to the signal that’s actually really awesome don’t they!
Another relatively modern band that used the Whammy was The White Stripes. Jack White used it for the "bass" lines on songs like Seven Nation Army with the octave down function & on plenty of solos with the octave up. Not shoegaze or even all that alternative, but a well known band which many have probably heard & might not have known it's the Whammy making those sounds.
Yeah definitely. He makes some amazing guitar sounds!
@@thesethingsmakenoises His live use of the Whammy was intense back in those days!
Really enjoying this channel - will check out the Horrors, would love to hear more album recommendations too!
This is my kind of channel! :) I like the sound, even though I don't like any of those pedals, except for the Whammy. That one is a classic. I stumbled upon the Whammy sounds by getting the TC Electronic Brainwaves in 2021 when I started building my first pedalboard ever. Up until then I was only using digital modellers by Boss and Line 6. Those things are great, but digital modellers just gave me too many options. I got option paralysis. I spent more time tweaking sounds than playing. I also had no reference of the amps and the majority of the effects that they were modelling, which made it hard to know what the F to do. But when I built my first pedalboard with an overdrive, distortion, chorus, tremolo, delay and reverb, plus the pitch shifter... My world changed! I got the pitch shifter to tune down when practicing and playing songs by other bands that were tuned down, and I didn't have a guitar that was in C or D or dropped C... I had my standard, Eb and dropped D guitars. Well, it turns out the Brainwaves opened up a lot of things for me, and I used it more for layering octaves. The problem with that pedal, though, is that the dry sound comes through for a few milliseconds at the initial attack, which makes the thing I'm playing sound dissonant, out of tune with the mix turned to 100% wet. I recently bought a DigiTech Drop and it's so much better and more transparent, they're not even in the same league. The TC Electronic Brainwaves shouldn't even go to the mix 100% wet, because it just doesn't work. That pedal did teach me more about the whammy effect and bunch of other cool things, but the only reason I still have it is that e.g. the DigiTech Riccochet doesn't give me the possibility to mix in an octave up AND an octave down (or whatever interval) at the same time, and a mix knob to let me choose how much of the try signal I'm getting.
I haven't tried the Electro Harmonix Pitch Fork, though. Maybe I could, and see if it does the same thing that the Brainwaves does, only without that dry signal leak with the mix at 100% wet. On the other hand, the Pitch Fork doesn't have a Whammy function and doesn't have the Mash function. If DigiTech made a Riccochet 2 with a mix knob, I would buy it in an instant, even if it didn't have two voices. Maybe I can contact DigiTech and suggest a product. :)
I totally know what you mean about getting option paralysis. I’ve certainly been known to waste loads of time ‘chasing the sound’ when actually I had it 3 hours ago haha.
It sounds like that’s exactly what you need. Maybe contacting digitech is a good shout. Maybe like an a/b box that you could mix the sound yourself?
@@thesethingsmakenoises I emailed DigiTech, we'll see what happens. But the A/B box was a great idea! I never thought of it myself. I don't have much space on my board, but if I take off the Univibe (I'm never really using it for songs or parts, I'm just on rare occasions playing around with it), make some more room in some other way (my distortion is so close to fuzz that I might not need fuzz, and I could remove the looper too), then I'll have enough space. I could perhaps even keep the fuzz and put it at the end of my chain. We'll see what happens. 😁
By the way, I forgot to ask you in tje original comment: what is your band's name?
@@thesethingsmakenoises I learned today that the Boss Line Selector LS-2 is a way to go. If I put the DigiTech Ricochet in one loop and leave the other loop uneffected, I will have the mix knob functionality. Then I plug in my LS-2 into the first loop of my loop switcher and program my patches the way they need to be. I ike the sound of an octave up (and an octave down) with the mix at around 50 % combined with a tremolo and just a touch of overdrive for that little subtle grit. And that's my organ sound for that one riff in that one song that I'm working on. It COULD be overkill to go all that way for just that one song haha!
On the other hand, I like mixing in the dry signal with an octave up (or down) for some things, sooo... This is a solution. However, I will have to remove two pedals off of my board if I want to fit the Ricochet and the LS-2. Brainwaves is a given, it's going away in that case. But I want to keep the DigiTech Drop on my board too, because I want to be able to tune down sometimes. Or I can just keep the Drop behind my board where I have my input and output (I have a patchbay) and just turn on the Drop when it's time to use it. I don't think I will be using the Drop much. I bought it so I can tune down to B or A (from my D standard guitar) and play some heavy post metally ambient rock. But I don't play much of that, I just have some ideas for a side project... I guess I can manage without the Drop for now. Line Selector and Ricochet are possibly going on my board soon.
Thanks for the idea of an A/B box. You've given me a lot to think about, as you see! :D
These are all kinda pedestrian for shoe gaze. Morley Echo Volume, Ross Stereo Delay, boss Slow Gear. and if yo are going to add a DS1 you might as well say the Boss Feedbacker Distortion which is a D1 with a harmonic sustain function.
That sounds pretty sweet to be fair!
your description of the Hog organ sound made me think of the song “More” on Low’s final album. it’s a great blown-out organ bass but more interesting to my ears, does sound guitar-controlled but not like a conventional guitar synth or something like the EHX 9-series (or so i suppose). i saw someone guess that it may be a Pog (in part) and you know, that harmonics mixer might actually be the thing. it also vibes like a pedal i’d expect to see Alan using while writing/preproducing/recording, if not in a live pedalboard.
and i think i might have actually preferred the Neo Clone over the original in that brief shootout. less thinned-out internal filtering maybe? i probably won’t be buying another standard chorus anytime soon, but good to know of this option.
Never heard of the hog, but it is literally the sound I’ve been looking for! Great video!!
Thanks very much! Good luck on your hunt. The ‘nano pog’ looks like you get a similar pedal for a lot less cash.
The whammy is not polyphonic which adds to the charm. Basically, the wet signal can only latch on to one tone at a time so chords cause the pedal fight against itself adding a random glitchy, warbly tone to it. You can hear it in Subterranean Homesick Alien by Radiohead on Johnny’s guitar parts right when the band comes in on the intro. POG/HOG pedals are much cleaner and don’t give you the weird glitchy effect that’s iconic in the whammy.
Always great watching you and I love how your very informative while being entertaining 🖤
Thanks again! Comments like that make it all worth it 🙌
My favourite pedal is my Electro Harmonix Graphic Fuzz, (I have the OG one). I got it when I went into a local guitar store looking for a nice overdrive, and the guy working there came up to me with this. I think it was a second hand they just got traded in. And it just absolutely NAILED the sound I was looking for.
That sounds awesome! I’ve never actually tried one. I’ve seen it before on other peoples boards but not myself. A bassist in a band we played with used it on their bass and it sounded amazing!
Had a Verbzilla for 10+ years. Love it.
Awesome pedal!
@@thesethingsmakenoises absolutely. i first purchased just for the shimmer and have thoroughly enjoyed the other settings as well.
Yeah it’s actually super versatile isn’t it
@@thesethingsmakenoises I really like your idea about using a fuzz with the shimmer. Never done that but it sounds neat.
I am a huge fan of the spring and hall settings in particular, but yeah. It does lots and sounds great.
I have the line 6 Echo Park and its tge duvking mode that keeps me coming back to it
Nice, they’re great features. ✌️
I think that the whammy was developed with kevin shield for my bloody valentine. If i remember correctly, he asked for a pitch shifter with a expression pedal attached to emulate playing with your picking hand on the guitar tremolo, but without fucking up the tuning of the guitar.
No way really? That’s interesting! I had no idea.
Great content. I stopped watching guitar TH-cam (apart from Eric Haugen), as all the videos were so repetitive and never touched on the genres I enjoyed. Excellent to see content that is relevant to current alternative music. Cheers
Thank you so much. I just checked out Eric’s channel and it’s awesome!
Man I haven't thought about the horrors in like over a decade haha primary colours is awesome
Epic album isn’t it!!
@@thesethingsmakenoises For sure! Just listened to your band, Airborne Panic attack is sick
Thanks mate!!
Yo those line 6 module pedals are siiick I have the Uber metal, put the gate on 2 and the distortion type on “pulverize” so gnar lol
Just picked up a Digitech Whammy v4 for $40 and a pack of sm0kes
Quite stoked!.. now I just need a power supply lol
great video, love that organ sound at the end
Thank you!
I was using digital verb, and more in the 90’s I’m 47 you had to be there I guess. It wasn’t bad back then, you could use them fine today actually, get them cheap its junk to most people now, you could get some cool tones, but they weren’t as versatile or compact.
I bet they gave some cool sounds!
The whammy pedal is really cool right? When I play come as you are I have the harmonies up an octave!
No way, I bet that sounds awesome!
Shoegaze is the perfect genre if you don't want to over obsess on pedals 😂
Nice Whammy, had a look around few weeks ago yet I might go for an EXH Cock Fight Plus wah/fuzz or get a cheap SkySurfer reverb and a Big Muff.
All pedals you mentioned are worth a look. And anything Boss, EHX,MXR is at least a quality product.
Hahaha!!
Thanks, that would be awesome! Would make great additions to your setup.
Yeah can’t go wrong with them can you!
The WarloW got to my attention in one of your other vids. What a pedal! Fuzz Monstrosity...now that is a funny name as well 😊
Also like the EHX Hot Tubes and Flatiron. I am merging from a Boss fanboy into an EHX fanboy 😂
MXR is next 😂
I love the Whammy, I’m always using the octave up harmony to add atmosphere when I’m playing an E-Bow or I’m doing ambience.
Edit: Got to the HOG part and I did something really similar using the Whammy for the outro of a song I did with my old band. Still one of my favorites we made.
Ahh that’s awesome, yeah they definitely do a similar job and realistically you probably only need one in your rig haha.
Is that song online anywhere?
@@thesethingsmakenoises It should be on every platform Cesar's Basement - Cesar's Basement. It's a little rough since we were on a bit of a time crunch but I still adore the outro.
4:12 Apparently Cascade Mics are still going, but now under the name Pinnacle, after the original owner passed away and the name Cascade wasnt able to be transferred due to some snag outside of his control
Aaaaaahhhhhh the Verbzilla. I can’t begin to explain how massive this pedal was when I discovered it. I found a video on TH-cam of a guy recreating the intro to Where the Streets Have no Name. It was dreadful in terms of recording quality but boy it took me to the Verbzilla and now here I am. Combining that with discovering lowercase noises (Andy Othling)and I was awayyyyyyy.
It’s amazing isn’t it! What a great song The Streets Have No Name is too!
Oooo I’ve not listened to him, I’ll check it out!
@@thesethingsmakenoises he is the Godfather of ambient. He hasn’t actually released new music for a while. He is doing loads of pedal development with OBNE and is cohost on their podcast.
Ahh amazing. Will definitely check him out.
@@thesethingsmakenoises yeah he’s a bit of a legend. In fact andsoistopped is always written in lower case because of Andy.
Because of what it’s a about I am leaning into Joshua Tree era Edge in a few places on the new album ‘singing ghost stories’ which is a lot of fun. But also hard because he’s a fooofing genius.
The Source Audio C4 can do almost all of what these pedals do inidividually. Just another option to consider.
Ahh awesome, I’ll check it out!
@@thesethingsmakenoises The C4 doesn't really open up unless you're willing to dive into the Neuro App, but once you do it's pretty incredible what it can do. 6 On-Board Presets or 128 via Midi, Full Expression Control with assignable parameters, 2 Independent LFOs, dual signal path for different effects for Input/Output 1 or 2, two independent 16 step sequencers, a full Pitch shifting section that allows you to make your own octaves/choruses/harmonies (with solid control over the tracking range and tuning adjustments of the instrument you intend to use), Swell effects, Phaser, Distortion, Bit Crushing, and the entire Envelope Filter section from their Spectrum Filter is also included so you can port in presets from the Spectrum as well. It does all of that stuff individually if needed and thats still not dipping into the Synthesizer portion of the pedal which is really a result of blending all of those sections, and you can blend up to 4 sections at a time. I could honestly keep going, but this is a lengthy comment already lol.
Combine the C4 with the LVX from Meris and you could be writing full albums/soundtracks in minutes, literally infinite inspiration within those two pedals.
That sounds absolutely awesome!
I would say those are closer to Progressive Rock pedals or Prog Metal pedals tha shoegazing. I own all of these and love them all!
Fair play mate! They’re amazing aren’t they.
keep them coming, mate. these videos are killer!
Thanks mate!
Joff from wolf alice also used the hog in the studio and said it was cause the horrors as well. Also that reverb into the distortion was awesome, I’ve never heard anything like it
Ahh no way really?! That’s cool! I love that band too.
And yeah the verbzilla is nuts isn’t it haha
I think the Verbzilla and the rest of the Line 6 'tonecore' series pedals came out in about 2003.
Just looked up about this.... The Verbzilla came out in 2005 but the tonecore series started earlier
"Need it, got it, got it, need it, got it, got it, need it..." just like flipping through baseball cards in the movie 'Big' 1988
Love the sound of the HOG, i had an EHX Superego when they were first released and i think that came close, but was more of a one trick pony sort of pedal. The pedals i would add would be a Boss GE7, it can completely transform a guitar sound and it can really help with dirt pedals. The other would be a Marshall Guv'nor to my ears it just creates a gorgeous warm feel and is a great pedal to build up the sound from - particularly if you are not able to play at volume. I'm pretty sure i saw somewhere as well that Kevin Shields used two of them on the road when touring Loveless for alot of the baseline sound.
Ahh I’d love to try the GE7. Guv’nor looks awesome, I got obsessed by the shredmaster for a while when I was trying to nail Jonny greenwoods tone
Great vids man!
You made me damn curious about that Verbzilla and Neo Clone!
Thanks mate! They’re really awesome pedals. I’m yet to hear an octave reverb like that!
What shoes you rocking in this vid? Looking clean!
Cheers mate. They’re Globe ‘Los angered’
I'd always fancied a Whammy. I thought it might make me sound more like Corgan, but never had the spare dough for it or the Boss Harmonisers I had my eyes on.
Yeah it’s definitely not essential, but just a really awesome ‘luxury’ pedal
Again, and as always, very cool video! Thank you very much! Have you dibs on the JPTR FX Bleach already? Super stoked about this one.
Thanks mate. Oh man how cool does it look!! Can’t wait.
the Small Clone has a deeper sound in the flanging. very big difference to my ears. might be a settings thing, mind you, but still
Ahh well maybe. I tried to match up the settings as close as possible, so might be something in that!
cool vid,
i had the Whammy 4, love it so much. but i replaced it Boss PS-3 due to its size. but Whammy is way better sounding.
had the Line 6 Verbzilla as well, that too replaced with Line 6 M9. its a solid reverb pedal.
rests are how you use them with any drive pedal (currently im using Boss BD-2)
The M9 is the one with the same sounds right?
I’d have to say very cool vid esp opposed to all the boutique type pedal videos out there by so-called experts lol. (After all it’s all personal taste)
Thanks so much!
damn, love what you did with the HOG, awesome riff!
Thanks so much! I haven’t used that pedal much as it’s not been on my board for a while so I forgot how cool it can be.
@@thesethingsmakenoises fair enough, it’s pretty huge lol. It could be a great studio tool for you tho.
For sure!
you should check out how the dude in cymbals eat guitars uses the digitech whammy, like a shoegaze take on the morello way
Will have a listen for it! Thanks!
Greenday, foo fighters and blank 182 Alt Rock?
as soon as word got out that kurt cobain used the boss DS-1 it seems like everyone making alt/shoegaze thinks they need one
👍
Hey! I think it’s cos it’s an awesome pedal at a cheap price ✌️
Try connecting your whammy pedal to your wah pedal so they move together in Unison. 😲 actually awesome. 👊👽🤘🛸
That’s a great sho it.
*shout
@@thesethingsmakenoises there's a 'short' on my channel showing how I tried this. (Hope it's ok to mention that) I think I titled this something like 'guitar pedal tricks, 2 pedals 1 foot' and I actually ended up permanently connecting my DigiTech whammy to my DigiTech RP360 for this and I love it. Works great with chorus and pitch shift, vibrato and pitch shift, talk/vocoder and pitch shift. Or even using the detune in the whammy is nice also with other FX in the RP360 like delay or reverb intensity/mix.
Fuzzwar in the backup drawer is crazy to me lol. Those pedals are crazy expensive in australia
Haha to be fair it’s only there because it belongs to a friend.
God I love baby channels! Fantastic video man, keep up the great work and hope you take off!!
Thanks so much mate!
You might have mentioned it, but I didn't hear it. iirc Jack White used the whammy on seven nation army instead of a bass guitar.
Yeah, I think I forgot! Awesome sound on that!
Primary Colours.....what an album !!!!!
Every time I come back to it it blows me away!
@@thesethingsmakenoises I actually haven't listened to it in a while. Need to get back on it. Really interesting to hear a bit about how they got some of the sounds on it
Tom Morello = One Trick Pony - Drop D and Whammy, yay groundbreaking! 😀
Haha! Fair. I love him!
Swap the Line 6 Liquaflange module in after the Verbzilla for maximum mayhem. It's naughty.
That sounds really cool! 🤘
I Think the verbazilla was used by one of the guitarist in Caspian, - listen to the album ‘Tertia’ - it’s used on a lot of Tracks, on that album - also Behringer made a clone of verbazilla which was called RV 600
No way that’s awesome! Did you ever play the Behringer?
@@thesethingsmakenoises yes, i have had a couple, since they break pretty easy, but being on a budget , and wanting a shimmer reverb back in the early 10’s - this was the way to achieve it. Still have two that works- but I’m seriously considering using in a loop thing like a EHX switchblade pro or likewise ‘cause stomping on behringer pedals, nah - though it sounds good, sadly it’s not in production anymore, and it’s already doubled in priced on the used market compared to the original retail price
Ahh that sucks when they jump up second hand.
Thanks. Never seen your channel before. Happy accident discovering this video. Indie/shoegaze/alt bands are what most influenced me as a fledgling guitarist back in the day. You've utterly convinced me that I need at least three if not all five of these pedals. Refreshing not to have a shreddy noodly player but someone playing the type of sounds I want to make. What's your band called?
Thanks so much Mark, really glad you enjoyed the vid! The band is called ‘October Drift’
Great list!
Thanks mate!
Yeah man awesome stuff
Thanks mate!
Out of curoisity has anyone else heard of Faunts? There not exactly a shoegaze band but they definitely have awesome clean riffs. Both their albums M4 and Left Here Alone have amazing tones on them.
Oh man! I don’t know them, but there was a band from Bristol near me called The Fauns who were actually awesome too.
I’ll check out Faunts though!
@@thesethingsmakenoisesYeah they're a Canadian band and they had a song in the credits on Mass Effect 1 and 3
I’ll check them out!
Longpigs! I saw them live opening for The Dandy Warhols here in the USA!
No way! That’s awesome. What year was that? Crispin Hunt the singer is a really accomplished song writer nowadays and has written some huge hits with other artists.
@@thesethingsmakenoises This would have been probably 1997. I was working in alternative rock radio here in Louisville, Kentucky at that time. We saw both those bands in tiny club just as the Dandy's were starting to blow up.
Ahh man that’s so cool! I bet that was awesome to be in the scene at that time.
@@thesethingsmakenoises Gotta admit... wish I was younger these days but being in my twenties in the 90's was a damn good time!
I used a Neo clone and big muff for my first shoegaze band, along with a cathedral reverb and man, that sound was something special
That sounds like an awesome setup!
Love it! 🤖
Subbed.
Thank you! 🙌
BOSS - PS-6 Harmonist , a bit does the same job of hog/whammy. What you think?
I haven’t used one, but from the looks of it it’ll do something similar for sure!
You should try out the screen violence pedal from old blood noise!
Their pedals look so awesome but I’ve never owned one. Maybe time to sort that out! Will have a look into it mate. Thank you!
I have a guitar without a whammy bar, so i really wanna get that whammy pedal!
came for the pedals
stayed for the Primary Colours shoutout
Amazing album innit!
I have a hog but I’ve never found a good use. Thanks for the tip!
Thanks mate! Hope you find a use for it!
very interesting video!!
Thanks mate!
What a killer channel, what band do you play in pal?
Thank you! It’s called October Drift. There’s a link in the description ✌️
Whats your band called?? Id love to check your guys music out
It’s called October Drift. Thanks!
@@thesethingsmakenoises dude holy shit, you guys are fucking sick. Those tones....you've absolutely got a new fan on my end!!
Thanks so much mate!
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Seems to me like the Nano Clone has a pretty severe volume drop?
Ahh, yeah! I’d actually say it’s opposite though and the small clone adds gain to your clean signal.
Digital reverb pedals started in the 1980s
KK used the DF-2 ..... BASS player out !!
Sorry apologies for not knowing but who’s KK?
@@thesethingsmakenoises 15 years ago on the net, someone put a picture of it, on a stage.Smells like teen spirit, he does that feedback, with .... the DF-2. That is the reason it is worth a lot of money now, check e-bay bro, BASS player out !!!!!!
@@thesethingsmakenoises KC,Kurt Cobain, sorry to have made a typo.
Wonder if I could use those with a bass…
Yeah for sure I reckon. Could make some really cool sounds!
Kurt used a DS-2
He used a DS-1 too! And then switched to the DS-2
@@thesethingsmakenoises Right you are 😬
Watching this before going to sweetwater