Shoegaze Affordaboard? - I get my feet wet with the genre and build a shoegaze board-
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- Shoegaze is a genre I don't have a lot of experience with. I try to right this wrong by listening to a shoegaze playlist for an hour and then attempt to put together a shoegaze appropriate Afford-A-Board. Did I get close? should I revisit this concept in future afford-a-board videos?
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Ryan: I'm assuming the Jazzmaster is a great choice for this genre.
That would be a correct assumption, Ryan
Pretty much the perfect choice
I laughed so hard at this hahaha
i had to unlike to keep the likes at 420
or a Fender Jaguar would work.
MY. BLOODY. VALENTINE. Go listen to "Loveless," I promise it'll all come clear. Gotta hand it to you, though: the Jazzmaster instinct was approximately 1000% correct. You go, Ryan-anyone who loves drip as much as you do will get shoegaze pretty damn quick. xo
tips: throw a fuzz at the end of the chain, play a bunch of rich jazzy chords, like sevenths, throw in some dissonant chord shapes here and there, bend the trem rhythmically as you strum and BAM you've successfully made what sleep deprivation sounds like
This comment is underrated
These afoard-a-board segments are an outstanding public service for broke guitarists; thank you, and keep em’ coming!
Seriously, these are great even as I sit here with a VERY completed rig. As my daughter gets older I think I can set her up with a rad little afford-a-board and a loog. After all, gotta leave room to grow, right?
ryan: "i assume a jazzmaster is good for this genre"
ryan: picks the guitar on the cover of possibly the most famous shoegaze album ever
Lol
Hey Ryan, I love your spirit! Watching this video made me really happy! I'm teaching shoegaze styles on my channel and must say: You did it really well! I'm impressed how close you've been to the tone. Good work! Many viewers already recommended My Bloody Valentine and Slowdive. They are a perfect start to discover the genre.
My Bloody Valentine represents the "fuzzy" and "vibrating" shoegaze style (in my opinion). Jazzmaster guitar with whammy bar + reverse reverb into some vintage fuzz into a Marshall Amp with a slighly overdriven clean signal. Perfect for playing Mayor 7 chords!
Slowdive represents the "spacy" shoegaze style. Warmer guitar clean sound -> chorus (or phaser, flanger) -> long decay reverb (shimmer) -> delay (sometimes dual delay) ... but that's just one example. In the end it means: at least 70% wet reverb and long delays. :) It must be wet!!!
I personally love Astrobrite and Ringo Deathstarr the most. Very fuzzy stuff using Fender jazzmaster or jaguar guitars! The clean signal should be very thin or middy. Try a short Gated Reverb into your favourite fuzz or overdrive and bend the whammy bar in the middle of your chords ...if you have one on you guitar. If you like you can add some chorus (tremolo, vibration ect.) and delay as well.
Love your channel! Keep it up!
Ayeee my man Kenneth providing valuable advice!
Hi Kenneth just a regular viewer here
Kitchens of Distinction works for a more post-punk vibe with jazzy chords hidden in the spaced-out sounds. The guitarist uses TONS of delay and reverb. Picture Slowdive jamming with Police-era Andy Summers, and you're close.
That's the legitness!
When someone mentions shoegaze on youtube, there he is! 💙 (wonder if paige/luca were here too?)
How to be s shoegaze band...
1. Mushroom haircut
2. female bassplayer
3. 4 fuzz pedals in a row.
You forgot the generic jersey style shirts with two or three colors!
.......Dont forget making your double echo match, and I don't have a bowl cut. I use two reverbs variated, 3 echos and compression with wah screamer hits. Light distortion or only hits here and there as inflections. I play goth rock classic era, and this is something I excel at. Anything from U2 to Pink Floyd "pong" mastery helps. ~~~They are not shoegazer bands as Slowdive is a better example. They were examples of guitarists who like to play with "pong" echoing".
Stripey xxl size jumpers too!
This is just a starter kit, to be a bona fide shoegaze band you need to have weird vague comments under a video of your live show praising the female bassplayer
No smiling is also a must
My bloody valentine and slowdive are the go to!!
Ride too
Loveless is such a great album
@@ThomasPaine01 Definitely.
The two best
@@ThomasPaine01 naaa
Hey, I'm not an expert- but, back in 1989-1991 I was in a few bands that get called 'shoegaze"- and I still show up to concerts for bands that have been called 'shoegaze"- so just a few things I can add- as for playing, pick as gently as you can, virtually all of us were using pretty massive amounts of compression. Most of us were punk rockers who heard the Cocteau Twins, so we were still playing very, very basic progressions, just with tons of effects. This was the era of rack mount gear, so while the pedals were all over the floor- a lot more of the sound was made by digital rackmounts- I cannot count how many Alesis Quadraverbs I saw. That's the other thing- the Boss and EHX reverbs available at the time were terribly terribly noisy- so as often as not, it was actually 2 or 3 digital delays, set on relatively short repeats, with the aforementioned rack unit providing the actual reverb, along with the amp, if you had enough money for an amp with a decent reverb. As for drive- much has been made of the Big Muff, but I only knew of Kevin Shields having one- almost everyone was actually using a Heavy Metal distortion- either a Marshall, or Boss, and then, using neck pick ups to avoid the ice pick tone. So, for people now to try to get a "shoegaze" tone- just set it up the same as a "post rock' or "worship' board, and you should be about 90% of the way.
Matt Van Mantgem this is a good reply. Post-rock would be a good jumping off point and honestly IMO/YMMV the crowd wont realize the difference between a HM, a muff or a damn blue driver with the gain cranked. Maybe on a recording but you can get away with a lot of “cutting corners” live.
@@LeeGHThomas Thanks- yes- there's a semi-famous story of Ride playing Amsterdam with no effects at all- just unholy amounts of gain on their amps. With live sets- it's all about having hooks. You have a riff, or a vocal melody that's recognizable to the audience, and it almost doesn't matter at all how it gets delivered. Ever notice the popularity of "unplugged" sets in the 1990's? That's why. If the hook gets across, the exact instrument, or amplifier doesn't matter, much less the exact stompbox. Heck, most of Kevin's famous massive board only gets used for the 'holocaust' section of "You made me Realise" at MBV shows- in other words, it's literally "just for show".
Great comment!
Proving that surf guitar techniques can so easily become shoegaze with the right effects.
01. My Bloody Valentine
02. Slowdive
03. Ride
04. Cocteau Twins
05. Chapterhouse
06. The Verve
07. Medicine
08. Catherine Wheel
09. Slow Crush
10. Swervedriver
11. Animal Collective
@Gupster 23 The Verve are good too.
05 Medicine
Catherine Wheel Tho
Slow Crush, check em out
Chapterhouse
(watches Ryan in time lapse mode)
And that, kids, is how Methgaze was born.
Would you be able to do a stoner rock Afordaboard? Something like Kyuss or Electric wizard?
Hey_ItsAnthony I’ll try
A (treble)boost, delay and reverb to fill the board
Fuzz, reverb, fuzz... and fuzz, of course.
Lol yeah a drive, 2 fuzzes, a modulation of your choice, a dark delay, and a big reverb. Honestly a shoegaze board would work perfect for doom, just change the EQ and tune down
@@bradfreed1942 and a ton of weed.
Make more Shoegaze content.
Tips: Flanger, pull the Spring Reverb. If you can find a reverse reverb, that’s how the MBV swells work. Don’t overthink the rhythmic end of things. Simple, droney is sort of the ideal. To get you to a different headspace.
Overall: epic goodness considering how little you know about the genre. I’m super impressed.
Les Kay Yeah, maybe not so much a reverse Reverb as a gated reverb for the MBV, at least as I understand it
Mad Mac 66: Both, actually. But you know how it is with MBV. We’re talking layers upon layers upon layers....
Stupid question: what is reverse reverb and gated reverb?
gmscurto not a stupid question, ask away, that’s how we learn.....reverse verb is like a reverse delay where the tail is ‘cached’ and then played back in reverse after the set length of time - really cool effect. Gated verbs were used a lot in the 80s especially on drums (Phil Collins in the air tonight). Bands like MBV used them a lot on gtr too to cool effect. The verb is ‘gated’ after a set amount of time, that is a noise gate is slammed shut, thus ending the effect abruptly
I posted my own recommendation of reverse reverb before I saw your post lol... It's essential!
*Listens to Silversun Pickups once*
Me: "I want this board..."
OMFG! That video was soo cool! I’m not a shoegazer myself - discovered this genre not too long ago - but this video was AWESOME! Feels really good to be heard and be listed as one of the messages in the beginning of the video! You did it! But you should do more shoegaze content! You can never have enough shoegaze or FUZZ!
MBV and Slowdive are pretty undisputed. The pedalboard is pretty well set up apart from a reverse reverb.
Edit: You are an absolute legend for doing this.
Thank you Ryan. Shoegaze/post-punk/post-rock are my wheelhouse, they are niche genres and not well covered, so it's a surprise and always welcome to learn stuff from someone who knows what they're doing.
Favorite episode of the afford-a-board series yet!
First time on this channel. Your qualified and honest approach to music and effects is wonderful. The enthusiasm and respect in the majority of the comments shows what a great community of folks enjoy your content.
This was so much better than TPS's so-called shoegaze episode.
I love how you respond to our request even if you don't really into it!!! Great video planning to build the same board after the lockdown!
Best Afford-A-Board episode yet. Like you, I had not been into shoegaze at its "moment" but the reemergence of Ride not too long ago caught my ear and I began my dive into the genre to catch up with the past, so to speak. For a quick attempt, I think you did well on the sound if not the chord pattern, and to do this much with inexpensive pedals is cool. Have fun chasing this multi-layered multi-textured sound!
I always learn a lot from your videos- please keep them coming! Especially more about Shoegaze pedals and ordering them !
HERE’S LOOKING AT SHOE, KID!
That was an NME article about Chapterhouse I believe
Cover story!
Nice sound! Cool riff too! Thanks!
Whatever you were playing turns out to be, I enjoyed it. The pedal setup was useful as well, so thanks for everything in the video.
9:44 thats the beauty of shoegaze! The whole genre is designed around outside the box thinking. No basic pentatonic licks here!
there's nothing wrong with pentatonics. Only Shallow by MBV is v pentatonic
exactly
New idea for a segment: listen for an hour to a genre of music your unfamilar to and build a board to try to recreate it.
Maurice Di Bert yeah, I’ll have to do this again.
Cool idea!
coolest afford-a-board so far imo. thanks for the inspiration man.
That's a damn fine riff you stumbled upon. Shoegaze affordaboard is easily my favorite
Wooow very cool one man, with just an hour of actual listening u get the right idea!
It rly reminds me ton of Ride, Swervedriver and Catherine Wheel
to answer your question, you forsure nailed the tone. in fact, when you put the reverb before drive , my eyed got WIDE. you knocked it out of the park tone wise, but playing wise, definitely keep listening to the genre to perfect the approach
Man this is such a small thing but mad respect for being so open about your level of genre knowledge.
Gotta listen to My Bloody Valentine's "Loveless". Otherwise it's like trying to sound like The Beatles by only listening to bands that are "Beatlesque".
Well yes but not necessarily
My exact sentiment. Shoegaze as a genre is just different peoples interpretations of that album.
@@LeeGHThomas thats mostly true but other shoegaze bands like ride and slowdive and chapterhouse came before loveless and were either inspired by the same things mbv was or inspired by something else or taking inspiration from their previous album isnt anything
Nicholas Joyner i get that my point being (IMO) loveless is the essence of shoegaze and everything else is derivative. First isn’t necessarily better. Kyuss came first but sleep is the quintessential stoner rock group. Etc.
Thats also not the point im getting at what were talking about is influence/interpretation which is why i brought up what came before loveless but i wasnt trying to say they were better or anything like that
I can't believe you managed to get the general gist of it with less than one hour of listening to the genre. Kudos.
Good job. Sounded pretty authentic to me. 2 reverbs, that's a good idea. Thanks, man.
i'm pretty impressed by how you pretty successfully deciphered the "classic" guitar shoegazing sound after listening for merely 30 minutes !
I mean stuff like static modulation and reverb into fuzz/distortion took me a couple of decades :)
I thought you nailed it! I had to look up shogaze before I watched your video. Ended up liking it very much, and your video is muey inspiring. Thank you. 🖖
Nice job Ryan! Really liked the tones you could get out of these - maybe it sounded a bit brittle at some points, but anyway - so cool to see you caught the vibe so fast!
Thanks for all the inspiration and cheers from Moscow, stay safe!!
Awesome video, you did it!
That was amazing!!
Very impressive, especially for someone new to the genre. Thank you for the post. Also, I’m consistently amazed by Donner. That Echo pedal sounds great, especially for the price.
Vrrry prrrd of you, sir. Grrrt job!
I could see and hear Ride's Vapour trail which is a classic shoegaze song...old Ride is essential shoegaze..they definitely delvedninto both the darker and brighter sounds of it.
omg I love you I was just thinking about this this morning
This was awesome, the reverb paired with the fuzz created almost a hight octave thing going on
Need MOAR shoegaze content, yes!
That was good shoegazing!Took me back to the early 90's music I heard at friends parties.Makes me want to get a looper or memory boy now.😊
Fun idea to have a first audition of the style and already build a board! Also, shoegaze doesn’t always mean fuzz. You started with Slowdive, which is a staple, and they’re awesome in the cleaner part of that realm.
The fuzz plus detune-modulation into reverb into dirt plus more reverb, chopped up into reverse delay is, in fact, St. Kevin Shields' magic potion, at least in the most basic terms, so I have to admit you nailed the "shoegaze" thing on the head! FWIW, the term "shoegaze" came about because the guitarists were always looking down- at their pedals- while playing, stacking boxes upon boxes to sonic glory and/or annihilation, haha...
Loved that the first song played was slowdive. Wut a perfect way to start
Yo man, Ive been into this genre for about a decade so I can try to give my two cents. First of all I would suggest putting the fuzz or whatever distortion afer the reverb. To kind of get that signature airy sound you want to use a plate reverb with the decay turned all the way up so the sound trails. Another signature sound is the reverse reverb. Unfortunately there arent many cheap pedals you can find with the feature, i think i saw a chinese one for like 50 or 60 bucks once. Using reverse reverb in concert with a jazzmaster whammy bar is what really gives you that trippy bendy sound. Look up how kevin sheilds plays to give yourself a better idea of how to do it, it honestly sounds great. Though i havnt done it myself because i dont have a second reverb pedal, i reckon that throwing a plate reverb after the the reverse would sound amazing as well. I know that bands like showdive, which i believe you were listening to as I recognized some of the pictures on your tablet also use several delay pedals near the end of their boards. And from my own experience, there seems to be several schools of thought on shoegaze. My bloody valentine and the horrors both utalize that bendy reverse reverb whammy bar sound. Bands like slowdive still have the bendy sound but kind of round it out with more spacy delay effects. Bands like cocteau twins or the meeting places use what i think are reverb combos to gain an airy trailing sound. Check out the youtube channel pedal partners or the shoegazer channel if youre interested in the music and sound. Also more recently there have been pedals made that cater almost exclusively to shoegazers like the loomer, so there is a lot of interesting equiptment on the market that can really make your sound rad. Also, if you want to emulate the sound well, i think a common shoegaze trope is heavy distortion with tons of effects during a heavy chorus, but then during the verse theres often a really clean sound, i think most will just use an overdrive. You see it happens in songs like when you sleep by my bloody valentine and wavvy gravvy by flying colours. Anyway, you were sounding pretty good man, i hope you dove a bit deeper into the shoegaze rabbit hole. Theres a lot of really awesome stuff to uncover.
I also forgot to mention that a lot of shoegaze bands use open tunings, i think it helpa with the kind of droney sound a lot of the bands have.
Worked out really well
Think you nailed it, sir!.
For making shoegaze, I typically put my dirt after reverb if I want a noisy My Bloody Valentine style tone. For something more chill (Slowdive, Lush, etc.) I keep the chain more or less traditional, aside from stacking reverbs
Good tones from the afford a board more shoegaze please it was cool 😎
Pity Sex and Whirr are epic shoegaze bands. The Adventures is a shoe gaze band that was made up of the lead singer and guitarist as well as the bassist from Code Orange. A lot of shoegazers take early inspiration from bands like Sonic Youth and Slowdive. Dream Pop is like the cleaner sounding less heavy shoegaze. So many good bands to find. Slow Crush is that modern Shoegaze from Belgium. Panda Riot is a rad band from Chicago.
holy shit those are like 3 of my favourite bands and nobody ever mentions them when talking about shoegaze. extremely underrated. if you like adventures you should check out the band "looming" - a bit more poppy but i think you'll like them.
Please make another! This was awesome
Just found your channel. It is awesome!
Nice Job Ryan !! Check out the Digitech Stereo Reverb RV-7 on the reverse setting paired up and a Pro Co Rat or Big Muff and analog tape delay, ( I use my old Danecho ) and the BOSS TR-2 in a light setting. A good Fender or Vox amp with a good reverb tank to support the RV-7 while in reverse.You don't need a huge board to get that lush Kevin Shields sound btw- I have that same Squier Jazzmaster in Sonic Green, one of the best purchases I have made in the last 5 years. Keep up the great work !!
Excellent effort ❤
that jam was pretty great
Great sounds, as always.
For my money, the Digiverb is the best reverse/gated reverb in a pedal format, stick that in front of a distortion or fuzz, into your favourite modulation, into a digital delay. Glide into your chords with the vibrato and you're all set
Alrighty Then! You got it Ryan!
Oh man, thanks for this video. I'm a bassplayer, using quite a similar kind of board, using mainly cheap pedals. I'm still in doubt wether to name my ambient droning stuff bassgaze or shoebass...
Anyway, you absorbed the genre quite quick, kudos for that.
I would really love more shoegaze content great tones there you nailed it. Considering you have no background in shoegaze it sounds great, love the touch of the offset guitar.
You can get more of the swirly fuzzy reverb if you can get a reverse reverb and put a big muff fuzz after the reverb
that's a pretty good first shoegaze!
Dude, you have a soul for this... not just from this video but also back when you did the Walrus Audio Slö.
i sold the slo to a friend as a favor, im kind of wishing i had it back now, lol
@@60CycleHumcast High Crimes, Sir!
Yes please make more shoegaze content!
This summer lets make Shoegaze the Big Thing for once!!! 10Star Generals and Yes you did a Great job. Im impressed . Pretty fun hey!😊
I saw a Ride album cover on your screen, so you did it right.
I love it ❤ sounds like post punk, Eno, Fripp, the Edge, The Cure. Totally workable ambient tones. Good job!
You did good Ryan.
Bang on mate...👍🏻
Tones are good. Wall of sound good. Need reverse reverb, which someone else said. Impressive. More please.
I think you in fact did gaze at the shoe my friend! In my opinion that was some solid riffage. very 90’s, 10/10. Matter of fact is that certain aspects of shoe gaze have become a bit more mainstream so those ambient overdriven tones can be used on a whole bunch of stuff. definitely one of my favorite affoardaboards.
Respect for this 👍
My wife and I agree: you're awesome. I wish I was as cool as you. Plus I wish I got to play cars with my pedals all day for a living! Rock on, sir. Rock right the hell on.
That was pretty close dude!
From just listening to a bit of shoegaze that was sick and sounded very good
Very cool. Good choice of guitar. My bloody valentine used a reverse reverb effect and a fender blender
That was marvelous. UnKenny would be proud.
Excellent video! Love the experimentation! The tones sound great! Try something a little down tempo, a little more drone-y, almost depressive. One of my favorite songs to play around on with long reverb tails is ‘How Does It Feel’ by Citizen. Those tones with what you have now would be perfect! Keep up the excellent work!
You hit that not gonna lie👌👍 DO SHOEGAZE !
I really enjoyed this video, great stuff. You should revisit this with a couple of mates...
this board has mega The War On Drugs tones it’s so cool! :)
Lmao @ 1:23. "My shoes are on. I've properly gazed them" 😆
All you're really missing now is a PBR
I'm not even gonna get into the politics of a subgenre but in addition to musts like MBV and Slowdive, school on predecessors like Cocteau Twins, Jesus and Mary Chain and Galaxie 500... Even droning passages from VU or The Doors (sans such pedals) is very relative. But, again, your quick take is solid.
Like knows where it's at
Dinosaur Jr and husker du are the really obvious origins
Fax
@@textnumbers22 Nah, I was there in the Thames valley scene when it all broke. Loop, Slowdive, Chapterhouse, Lush... It was a scene spawned from trading old records, tapes and following a select few reviewers in Melody Maker and NME. VU, the nuggets comp albums, stooges, 13th floor elevators etc (I remember I was considered a bit passe for obsessively collecting Sonic Youth back catalogue stuff, everyone liked it but it wasn't cool)
Experimenting with tunings really helps with this style
You sounded like early Flaming Lips, sounded amazing 🔥🔥
I think you nailed it
Shoegaze = Slowdive. “Souvlaki Space Station”, “When the sun hits”, “Sugar for the pill” and “No longer making time”. The term “shoegaze” came from bands of this genre looking at their pedals 👍
When the sun hits is a perfect song. No doubt my favorite song on the album by far.
I love the origin of the music genre name lol
Chapter house Pearl is arguably one of the best shoegaze songs of all time
I’ve got an old Boss RV3. I’m going to have to try it in front of overdrive after hearing this.
Yea you were pretty spot on gearwise, but your approach at this could use some work. Here's a few tips that helped me.
-Chose your chords to emphasize your pedals instead of choosing your pedals to emphasize your chords.
-You should learn de "melted/glide guitar" technique. It's to shoegaze what the pentatonic scale is to blues rock.
-One goal you should try to achieve is to make it so that it's difficult to perceive your strumming. Bass and drums in shoegaze are really rhythmic but the guitars often have a "blurred" quality to them
That being said, I can't stress enough how well you did for someone who knew nothing about the genre. A lot of your first instincts (jazzmaster guitar, reverb after drive, a lot of drive) were absolutely correct!
“Gonna take a dive” yeah. Into Slowdive. Great band.
Zoom multistomp 50g and 70cdr pedals are definitely amazing for making shoegaze especially reverb, delay, pitch and chours. Also something like a big muff and blues driver are the way to go.
This was fantastic. I’d buy this song XD
Garage rock affordaboard next?
Yes, please! And Cüvavé fuzz must be featured in it
Great idea for a pedalboard-building theme with the "afford-a-boards"! I must admit I was shocked that you were unfamiliar with the Shoegaze genre- this has probably been posted dozens of times already, but a good, quintessential shoegaze album that serves as a good starting point, My Bloody Valentine's opus "Loveless" is an absolute must-listen... perhaps this is one of those "maybe some bands I like are actually Shoegaze and I didn't know it" things you mentioned early on, ha ha…
For MBV type sounds, the reverse reverb mode on the EHX Oceans 11 as well as any tubescreamer and RAT clone and a Jazzmaster will get you 90% of the way there.