Alt/Shoegaze Guitar Pedals You SHOULDN'T Waste Money On!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- It can be hard to decipher what pedals you need to get great guitar sounds. Particularly in the Alt-Rock/Indie/Shoegaze space. Today we're looking at 5 guitar pedals that I don't think you need
We're going to look at each pedal and why I don't think you need to buy them, and what I would chose instead, or how to just get it from your existing rig! Let me know what you think in the comments!
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What pedals do you guys think should go in this list?
The phase shifter into a russian muff is great for psychidelic sounds I agree on the other pedals, but just get a small stone and maybe a boost before. The boost will amplify the phasing sound. It's great. I use it more than chorus.
it's great on lower depth slow rate. try it it's amazing.
I'm gonna build a pedalboard with only these pedals and make it sound great.
Haha probably yeah!
I prefer a flanger to a chorus because you can get the chorus sound from a flanger and then some ridiculous noises too. I like a compressor at the end of my shoegaze board to bring the tails of the reverb up in the mix. I go reverb -> fuzz -> od-> Flanger -> compressor -> delay. But then I’ve built all those myself so the whole board cost me less than a boutique fuzz!
That sounds awesome to be fair!
Dude you should try setting up a flanger like a chorus sometime. It's like the same feel as chorus with a little extra thickness that really adds to the atmosphere and kind of gets into "organ-like" territory with chords. Medium speed and very light effect. Love your content, and I love that you're the "shoegaze" guy! Please keep making videos as you're filling a niche that is so often overlooked.
Thanks mate! I need to have a proper look at a flanger pedal I think.
Man, you're killing it. It's a great subject
Thanks so much mate!
The fact that you mentioned silversun pickups made you my official favourite youtuber, im 16 and my dad got me into them and now i cant get enough. Another one by them thats worth a listen is well thought out twinkles
Really interesting thoughts, particularly around the compressor. Have subscribed!
Thanks for the sub! I actually wanted to do a follow up as I think I might have been a bit harsh on some of the effects. I still stand by that if any of them are useful they’re very much not essential
I'd love to hear that, thanks@@thesethingsmakenoises
Dudeee I literally sold my compressor last year. Sold my Phase shifter, tremolo, and delay two weeks ago. Very relevant video.
Haha no way!
I kept my tremolo and compressor. Sold my phaser, univibe and chorus. Though I have chorus in my Old Blood Noise Endeavours Excess V2 and in the EHX Canyon delay (delay at minimum). I don't only play shoegaze though. I have a mini compressor for my clean tone, and I use the compressor lightly to level out the notes on more ambient stuff. I sold my EQ too. Actually, traded it for a DigiTech reverb, sold the reverb and made a buck. 😂
I've put my wah in an ad today actually.
@@nedim_guitar I can't imagine selling my wah. I love that thing and although I don't use it that much I would never sell it. I'm actually thinking of buying a good uni-vibe though.
@@ratatatuff I get that. I just wasn't using my UniVibe in what I was playing, so it had to go. The wah-pedal... I can't say I tried it out a lot. But it was the cheapest Vox wah out there, which I also bought used for like 40 euro. I bet that if the wah-pedal was better, if it had more range , I would have kept it longer. But for now, I have no need for it. So it too had to go.
However, my Digitech Whammy Ricochet is important, along with the Old Blood Noise Endeavors Excess V2! I get a surprising amount of versatility, or at least inspiration from those pedals, in combination with my delays and reverbs.
The production quality of these is really good, the camera/ mic quality/ editing is top notch, I notice the camera cuts to different angles are really seamless and keep it engaging. I don't know much about guitar pedals at all but I'm learning a huge amount from you, makes me want to get my old electric guitar set up and give it a go again. If you could share any knowledge about amps in a video sometime that would be sick! Keep it up.
Thanks so much. Do it! I’ve got one coming up that I haven’t edited all about amps/amp sims. Was meant to be out this week but I did this one instead. Will come out next Sunday. ✌️
Another great, inspiring, high-quality vid. keep em comin!
Thanks mate!
Loving the videos, keep them up!
Thanks mate!
Kevin Shields would laugh at the idea of getting rid of pedals lol
You've got soooo much cool gear I don't know how you find the time or the hard drive space to use it all usefully, you're set up looks fricken cool, floor rugs included.
Haha thanks mate. A lot of those pedals are just from friends and we’re storing/using them. Also there’s three pedal nerds in the band and we’ve all been collecting 10+ years 😂
Hi, thank you for your efforts, it helps me a lot at the beginning. Can you make a video about shoegaze's budget pedal board?
No probs! Yeah that’s a good idea. Thanks!
awesome video Dan 🤙
Thanks legends!
Generally agree with tremolo, but the last pedal I picked up was the Skitter from Champion Leccy and that thing is such a wild and creative take. It has a modulated reverb with different voicings, and you're able to use the tremolo on either the dry signal or the reverb, and you can make them stutter in sync or out of sync with each other, so it ends up being this really unique and detailed modulation/spatial tool. Lots of different uncommon wave forms too for the trem. Unexpectedly has a beautiful little overdrive in it too.
I’ll check it out mate!
I have found the GE7 and Dyna Comp really useful pedals - the GE7 means I don't have to switch guitars to getting really contrasting sounds from a full bodied humbucker to something closer to single coils or vice versa - which in some songs gives some great changes of sound and tone. I also really like being able to use the Dyna Comp as a clean boost or to just add a little sauce when playing quiet. Agree re chorus and ability to make that cover lots more than just a simple chorus. My MXR Analog Chorus can sound flanger-esque as well as almost phaser like - saving me buying two other pedals. I definitely wouldnt bother with wah wah if I didnt have one already or volume pedal...
Ahh ok yeah that’s actually super useful actually!
It does have a buffer in it as well. I have mine last and only turn it on when I need it. That way I don’t get signal loss.
Personally with tremolo, I think you can use it almost like the vibrato arm on your guitar to get some cool stuff, if you set the rate all the way up, and make the waves really choppy. It's a good way to spice stuff up while still keeping your guitar in tune.
Yeah that makes sense actually! Probably really useful for guitars without trems.
What do you think about vibrato pedals? I'm using one now for Lo-Fi sounds, by lowering the depth and rate.
I haven’t actually used one, but they do look pretty cool!
Hypnotised by these graceful moments 6:46, 6:56! Such a contrast to what you do in your band's signature reels ☺️ Oh! And the dramatic effect here 7:58 when the background music stops playing 👏
Thanks again Daria!
Good info
Thank you!
Nice video! I have to disagree on the phaser/flanger thing though: If you use an EHX Small Stone that has no mix knob - fine, it can be too much. But any modulation pedal with a bit more control over your sound and the intensity of it is gonna give you loads of options to not make it sound dated or stuck in a certain music (sub-)genre.
Yeah that’s a fair point. Maybe I should play around with that boss one a bit more! I do have an eye on the Electric Mistress. Maybe I’ll need to make an apology video haha
I agree, if you just mess around with the flanger or Phaser settings then it wont sound as "dated." On the other hand, there is a DIFFERENCE between a regular Phaser and a Phase-Shifter, and for the reasons in this video, i traded my Phase- Shifter in for a normal Phaser. I just could not get the Phase-Shifter to not sound cheesy sounding. A regular Phaser though can easily be tweaked for modern music. As for saving money and space on your board, just buy a multi modulation effect pedal
I will say I never messed with compressors until I got the jhs pulp n peel and absolutely love what it does to my tone and it also come with a dirt circuits inside of it definitely isn’t necessary but really love it as a addition to my rig
That sounds really cool actually!
I have one on my Bass rig ,and if I could only bring 1 pedal to a gig it would be that .
Certainly important for bass!
@@STRATMAN1969 I haven’t tried it with my bass but I can imagine how much it would do for the tone I mean it’s a always on pedal for my guitar rig and I can imagine it would be the same if I ever got a board for my bass
@@thesethingsmakenoises yeah again definitely not necessarily for the shoegaze sound but since I play a pretty wide variety of music it’s a game changer and I mean having a rat circuit built into it is just awesome
I agree less is more. Playing straight into the amp (all pedals off) really helps to reveal where more practice is needed. I use light compression which also adds a clean boost. Helps when forced to play at lower volumes to add sustain. If I played at my preferred volume, I'd get a visit from the cops! LOL!! I substitute an old Dunlop uni-vibe for chorus. My uni-vibe starts to sound like a phaser when heavy distortion is added, so I'm careful not to push it. Just trying to find a nice tonal balance. Great video!! Cheers!
Thanks mate. Ahh that does make a lot of sense with the compression actually! Haha yeah you don’t wanna turn that thing all the way up and shake the neighbours 😂 oh that sounds like an interesting pedal for sure!
I disagree with the eq pedal. I would use it as a solo boost, using the eq to suit the volume boost you get from it to your amp.
That’s a good point!
Mojohandfx's swimteam chorus/flanger is so killer and saves a spot on the board. Dial the mix past noon on the chorus setting and it even acts like a boost for solos.
Good video. I completely disagree with most of it but it's because I don't only play shoegaze. I love my Wah and I love my my tremolo. And I couldn't imagine not using a compressor, it just doesn't feel right. And, I actually hate chorus. It's everywhere and I can't hear it anymore. I mostly use tremolo but if I'd want another modulation effect I'd go for a uni-vibe or a rotary. But definitely no chorus for me.
Interestingly, Andy Bell from Ride swears by his Ibanez CP-9 Compressor, and always has it on.
Also, 100% agree with most modulation pedals, but now i just stack them to get really weird out there sounds, especially a phaser and a chorus together sounds great. Tremolo and flanger does too.
Ahh no way really? Awesome guitarist/band!
That sounds like a really good shout actually.
@@thesethingsmakenoises Yeah, in a few interviews i’ve seen he actually has 2 compressors, so who knows what he’s thinking.
And yeah, i stole that from Chino Moreno from Deftones actually, take any phaser and run it into a shallow fast chorus, sounds fantastic.
Haha ahh really! That’s cool.
I’m definitely gonna try that. 🤘
Couldn’t imagine not having my phaser on my board. Especially when playing early pumpkins type stuff. Turning the speed all the way down and having it at the end of your chain is 👌👌👌
Totally agree with everything else though!
I’ll give it a shot mate! 🤘
@@thesethingsmakenoises and then make a video on it!! ✌️✌️
You had me with the tuner, but the real question is, why did Boss think anyone needed a Waza version of its tuner? What kind of custom mode can you have?
Haha! I know right, it has one job 😂
EQ pedal isn't crucial but is low-key one of the most shoegaze pedals ever. While shaping a distortion pedal's tone is important for walls of sound ala MBV, it's also useful for creating filter sounds similar to what's heard in techno music. They're important to Shield's sound (he cranks certain mid frequencies to overdrive them on amps/ speakers)
Fair that’s a really good point!
Man, I love my Phase 90. I use it way more than my EH Small Clone Mini-Chorus. The mini-chorus I have is from 1980 and says "Mini-Chorus" instead of the typical Full-Chorus. It's the same pedal, it's just a rare name change that lasted like a year in 1980-81. I used chorus in a post-rock/hardcore band in the early 2000s. Today my modulation is mainly the phase 90 though. I have it barely turned on its single knob. It sounds really awesome with Wren and Cuff Smallfoot Caprid.
Fair play. I think maybe I was a bit rash with this video. I might make a follow up on some of the pedals.
I would use phaser and tremolo for other types of music, and I personally would buy a tremolo pedal for those 1990s sounds you speak of. Otherwise, your assessment of these pedals makes complete sense.
The modulated delay on the DD-7 sounds cool but I have no regrets purchasing my Electro Harmonix Eddy chorus and vibrato pedal.
Thanks! Yeah tremolo was the hardest for me as I have used it on occasions, just not enough!
Yeah you can’t beat a chorus pedal, but dd-7 does sound really cool on that setting.
It’s funny how different sounds come in and out of fashion. A few years ago, Chorus was the effect that seemingly everyone hated. I’ve always liked it, when it’s appropriate. And I like getting that sound from a non-chorus pedal (delay, as mentioned here). I use my Boss PS-3. It’s really lush, and yet different from a made for purpose pedal.
Yeah it’s weird isn’t it haha! Sounds great though. 🤘
I will always love the spaceship sound a flanger can make. For general use though, chorus is superior
Phasers are one of my favourite fx so I'm probably a bit biased when i say this. They can really work well for adding a psychedelic edge in Shoegaze or Dream Pop stuff. My first tip would be to experiment at slow speeds/rates first. Some phases work better in the fx loop and others in front of amp Understand the phaser and what the parameters can do and then experiment away. I like to use an Ibanez PH7 Phaser in the front of my amp but behind all the dirt/od. I like a MXR phase 90 or FLAMMA FC13 Analog Phaser in my amps fx loop. Putting a phaser before or after a reverb or delay has a massive sound difference so check that out.
I like a phaser with a mix control, like Walrus. It's not so overwhelming.
Chorus is the best pedal ever….but I own a JC85 so I don’t always need it…..Chorus= Johnny Marr, Robert Smith etc etc….80s indie sounds are stunning….Flanger for John Squire etc and genuinely fantastic background psychedelic tones over verses before going heavy.
I almost posted a pushback but then double checked the title and saw you were talking about a specific musical genre.
Until recently I had been a user of multiFX systems such as the Boss GT-5 and GT-8. I decided to go down the pedal route and bought a selection of mini pedals and then a large selection of Behringers. I was looking to see what was out there and they included a phaser, a tremolo, EQ and a chorus vibe. I have none of them on my main pedal board. I like the phaser for soloing to prog rock type stuff but a good reverb can do a similar job. The rest? I don't use them.
I don't play alt much but I would say that if you have the space on your board, a phaser and a chorus is a decent combination if only to save you having to change settings from one song to the next. If space is an issue, I agree with chorus over phaser. It is more versatile thus more useful.
Thanks for the comment! Yeah I reckon I need to have a re-look at the phaser again for sure!
I'm so glad that I have zoom MS 70CDR and 50G that covers reverbs, delays, compressor, modulations etc
Fair! Sounds like a good shout dude.
Surprised to see that DBA Fuzz War in the junk drawer. I really like that pedal!
Ahh don’t worry, all those pedals get used really. The fuzz war isn’t mine, someone’s lent it to me so I felt bad to put it on my board haha
Your wild I run 2 eq pedals I play into a clean power amp and just use one as a clean boost
Hahaha fair
That death by audio fuzz war best not be living in the drawer!
Haha don’t worry it’s all over my bands second album! Amazing pedal!
Well-made video man! I'd have to disagree about the phaser sounding dated compared to the chorus though. The chorus leans more easily towards this really cheesy 80s territory while a phaser is a lot more atmospheric to me (see: Slowdive). I personally like both effects but I think phaser is more versatile. I also disagree with what you said about the wah, since I really love Dino Jr. and Yuck, which both use the wah really uniquely and in less of a classic rock kind of way.
Btw, I'd have to agree with you on compression pedals. I know they have their practical uses, but dialing in your gain staging takes care of that for me. I also dislike how they tend to get rid of dynamics
I do think chorus can sound cheesy if it’s used wrong! Yeah that’s a great point. Slowdive doesn’t sound dated, and Dino Jr are so awesome. Sorry wahwah pedal!!
I think potentially it’s an irrational hatred because when I was about 15 somebody reviewed my band and wrote in the article “he should dispatch the wah pedal along with his gcsc notes in the bin” or something similar haha
Yeah compression in a pedal is just unnecessary I think.
@@thesethingsmakenoises i totally get you hahaha i have a friend who really didn't like wah which kinda discouraged me at first but i've used mine in my noise pop band and i just love how it sounds
I’d disagree when it comes to the flanger, if you dial that in right you can get perfect Cocteau Twins tones asw as it essentially going a great job of emulating chorus and phaser tones when you need it. It’s the most versatile pedal on my board if anything and I never use it for the jet plane whoosh noise
Great channel Dude! I recently stated one myself! I’m defo gonna change my direction to one that’s more shoegazy….my real passion. Sub’d
Thanks so much mate! Will check out your channel. ✌️
This just seems like you've not learned the myriad of ways these effects are used and judging them based on the most basic versions of them out there and their most famous uses. A one-knob phaser is always going to be limited, but that doesn't mean phaser cannot sound 'modern'. Tremolo is the oldest guitar effect there is and its still being used and if an album like The Bends can sound contemporary around 50 years after the effect was invented, there's no reason to say its now 'dated'. A pedal designed to emulate a 60's amp tremolo isn't going to fully represent what the effect can do.
I used to use 2 Small Stones on a pedalboard at one point. Heavy compression is ideal for volume swells, tapping and other techniques. A tempo synced tremolo can change the envelope of the sound whilst adding a rhythmic element. Phasing can add movement to all of this. Fixed wahs can be used as a boost and combined with other effects and techniques can be more like a synth than 70's Porn soundtrack or wailing solos.
I think these are all really great points!
I had a chorus and a tremolo years ago and ended up selling it, currently I only have a compressor, delay and reverb :/
Can’t beat delay and reverb dude!!
Music can be cyclic, I'd say stick them in a drawer for about 15 hrs they will come back as the music tastes shift. And i agree with freestyleshaver with ehx electric mistress deluxe with matrix you can roll it all till it all bit stops.
Haha yeah you’re right for sure. I am definitely tempted to get an electric mistress.
Buy a Sonuus Voluum: great and very reasonably priced programmable, digitally controlled analog volume pedal with auto swell, ring modulation, boost function, good compressor, incredible tremolo and on top of it all it's unbreakable and a midi controller and a VCA controller!
Ahh that sounds really cool!
Did you change the cover image to this video? I remembered it being a tuner going in the bin, which was funny. Maybe I imagined it.
Haha yeah I did, I think it got a better click rate this way but maybe I shoulda changed it back.
Oh I do however completely agree with a feedback booster. But you’re drunk if you think a tremolo is a bad pedal….but I own an AC30 too so….But then I’m old and I’m a post modernist Shoegaze fanatic. Thanks
I wish you made the same video for bass, so I could stop wasting money.
I agree with your sentiments about modulation pedals but have my own reasons. I think chorus is much more useful as it can vary between very subtle and very over-the-top, while I find phaser / flanger / tremolo and even wah to be a bit one dimensional. I think the above are fine as occasional ‘flavours’ to spice up songs but in terms of using them all of the time on my board, for me they’re a waste of valuable real estate
Yeah I totally agree. I think they just don’t hide the effect as well as other pedals.
I didn't have an EQ pedal when I did more guitaring (I gig on bass these days in a cover band). I've seen the benefits of EQ as a boost by others and would likely do the same if I ever work as a guitarist outside our spare room. EQ works as a great boost for bass too (I only use it on The Chain by Fleetwood Mac boosting everything a dB and the kids about 5dB).
Chorus, flanging, phasing and trem are all much the same to me, but I find phasing works best for me (or did). I bought a trem a few years back when I attempted to try to play rockabilly but haven't touched it since (but sounded great with a crunchy amp. However, I don't actually do anything remotely "shoegazy".
In the last band were I was guitarist (95, maybe 96) I'd have had my Fuzzface or MT2 EQ'd to muff/fuzz and done something along the lines of Caress of Steel or Fly By Night by Rush which would have made our drummer think I was playing something by Smashing Pumpkins to get him to draw upon his inner Jimmy Chamberlain (I was a bit of a bastard in that respect and, although my ideal band to have ripped off was Superchunk, I tried to straddle a Nirvana and Pumpkins hybrid). It was the only band that I was in that I wish could have gone beyond the rehearsal room, but alas I believed I was dry of lyrics and the vocalist didn't write while the drummer pulled out when his girlfriend had their first child.
Yeah I hadn’t really thought of eq as a boost but that makes a really good point! Ahh I see yeah I bet for other styles those effects really come into their own.
The band you mentioned sounds like it would have been awesome! Did you ever record anything or just jam?
Super Chunk is one of my favorite bands ever .Your handle is curious ,are you in the K-ZOO area ?
@@STRATMAN1969 Northern Ireland born and bred. The handle comes from the assortment of stuff in the videos on my channel.
@@BellsCuriosityShop Oh Wow O.K.I'll have to check them out . I'm in Kalamazoo Mi. where we have Bell's Brewery pretty famous for their Porter (not as famous as yours ; )
@@STRATMAN1969 not many refer to Guinness as porter these days, despite them also doing a West Indies Porter and a Dublin Porter. It's promoted as a stout these days so maybe they don't use as much sour beer.
I could see why a phaser or Wah pedal could be considered outdated in some cases, but a flanger is a MUST for Gish tones in imho. (Although I have soft spot for phasers because of incubus).
You gotta have a phaser to nail Billy's tone .
Yeah Incubus are really cool! 100% if you’re trying to get those other tones etc.
Compression = loud amps
Feedback = loud amps
It’s that easy
Haha yes!! 🤘
Agree mostly, but there is one thing that I think changes some of your choices and is a very important to the Shoegaze style specifically, not alt necessarily. That is that Shoegaze starts AT THE END of the chain by putting distortion AFTER EVERYTHING - delay, reverb, modulation, everything. Putting a phasor before distortion instead of after makes it less "phasey." You can also turn down the feedback on the phaser. I agree, though that chorus rather than phase is a good choice for Shoegaze because it also has a pitch thing going on. But, the key to the Shoegaze sound is distortion, and too much of it, AFTER everything else.
Yeah that’s a really good point and something I don’t experiment enough with. Is this because they were mainly using distorted amps so it was always going to hit it last
Love your channel, what’s the name of your band?
Thanks mate! It’s called ‘October Drift’
I don't think you should outright eliminate any one effect type.Compression is vital for clean sounds, and they can be a big part of driven sounds as well if you choose a circuit with character,- like the Janglebox or Cali 76.
There's a ton of Flangers and Phasers out now that escape the histronics normally associated with them; if you made that claim 15 years ago, I'd agree, but not now.The OBN Flatlight, Dreadbox Komoreebi, and EQD Pyramids are all good examples.Walrus builds designs that can do both traditional and non traditional effects; the Monument and Julianna have been staples for me since their release.
I appreciate the spirit of the idea, but I think claiming that all these pedals have been fully explored isn't true; hell, even the Wah can be incorporated effectively if you think outside of the box.
I play both Ambient and more traditional (post) Rock, and I've long sought out designs that work well in both areas; they are out there, you just need to do the homework.
I was playing Industrial before all these options existed, and back then there was a definite emphasis on keeping it as simple and manual as possible.To my thinking, the effects come in to introduce variables and move in directions otherwise impossible or unlikely.If they are writing or structural tools, then I'm in.
You made some awesome points, maybe I just need to dig a little deeper and have a look at some of the new effects in this space! Cheers mate ✌️
I need clean with reverb sound and a David Gilmour (Time) pedal sound🤷♂️
Instead of a phaser or chorus I'd get a Boss BF-2 or BF-3 flanger - much more versatile. It can also make presentable chorus, univibe and vibrato sounds and most folks in the audience wouldn't know the difference between phase and flange anyway. See here: th-cam.com/video/YDNccE_-Zn8/w-d-xo.html
Ahh cool, I’ll have a look! Thanks.
Oh, so that was you on stage.
I like phaser and trem. Both staying on my board ..:p
Fair play!!
Actually I WOULD advise against buying a tuner for someone who is trying to be thrifty with their money or pedalboard space. There are other types of pedals and multi-effects that have a tuner built in. I use a tuner/looper combo, for example, it’s small, inexpensive and provides two functions. Or if you simply don’t like squinting at the floor while tuning you can tune via clip on tuners or any computing device that has a screen.
That makes a lot of sense actually!
As an alt./shoegaze/grunge/stoner guitar player, I have to disagree with almost the whole video 😆 Having a tuner pedal takes away any remaining punk-hardcore attitude, just that thrill of playing with a couple of strings slightly flat and having to compensate that with your playing, which can be harmonically pleasant in an unpredictable way sometimes. And I just hate to have a pedal that doesn't do any sound, so a clip-on tuner is the way 😆
The flanger is the most versatile effect, and you can make it sound very close to any other effect.
The EQ pedal is the secret weapon to shape your sound, and it's really not the same as tweaking the eq on the other stages of the signal chain, because that pedal interacts in a very versatile and unpredictable way with the other pedals and with the amp... We wouldn't have Josh Homme if the didn't crank the mids with EQ pedals. I wouldn't have my edge-of-breakup kind of dark clean sound. The Behringer clone of the Boss costs close to nothing.
Haha I can’t actually work out what is satire in this lol 😂
Re EQ pedal, do you think that’s not more to do with dialling the mids up on amps etc?
Not really, as I said it interacts in many different ways with the other pedals depending on how they react, and where you place the EQ (before, after, etc.), and how it interacts with every different amp.
EQs on the amp, daw, etc. have their own limited range and different voicings, so you can push or cut even more with the EQ pedals, and moreover different EQ pedals will have their own ranges and voicings.
You really cannot get the Josh Homme sound, for example, if you don't crank the sh*t out of the mids (with some weird old solid state or Ampeg amp) in every stage of the signal chain (the board, the amp, the preamp, etc.), even using more than one EQ pedal, so they all add on top of each other, interacting and distorting in many different and unpredictable ways.
And also all the rest that I've said I was serious, not making satire 😂 Regarding the flanger, there is really a video on TH-cam about how to make it sound kinda like all the other effects.
Ok yeah fair enough. I might have to dive into his sound a bit and make a video on it. Could be cool!
Haha, ahh no way I’ll have a look for that. Sounds interesting!
Wanna sell that feedback booster? It was literally one of the pedals i was considering recently
It’s not mine unfortunately!
The FB-2 is a sleeper pedal that few understand the versatility of for doing things other than just trying to emulate standard guitar feedback. Put it BEFORE your fuzzed/delays/reverbs and it allows you to get ebow like drones And still have your hands free to play as needed rather than hold an ebow, etc. and when you keep playing into it when it is feeding back you can get some insane harmonics and overtones that can’t be replicated otherwise and that sound insane through delay/reverb.
The biggest thing that people need to do to stop sounding dated is stop rising the whammy bar like a Kevin Shields wannabe: it sounds super contrived and dated and is lazy from a creative standpoint.
Hmmm that’s interesting I’ll give it a go!
You might be right there to be fair. I rarely use ‘glide’ techniques because the bigsby on my jazzmaster isn’t great for it and the Jaguar has a solid tail piece. I do think huge reverbs etc sound more modern without it.
I disagree with you on tremolo, phaser and EQ when it comes to shoegaze.
Guess then you should have purchased the Ernie Ball Super Bee Volume/Tuner Pedal. Your tuner pedal definitely wouldn't be boring. It would be Bad!!!!😎
That thing looks nuts haha!!
I think foo fighters were the pioneers of that 1/16th note hi hat indie sound with everlong
Yeah fair. What a tune!
You broke my heart with #5
I’m so sorry haha!
resell the feeback booster, goes for quite a bit
lol I posted that before you googled it
Haha!! Do you know why they’re so much?
I have yet to buy a compressor. Every guitar shop worker swears by them.
Yeah, I just haven’t found that much use for them.
#5 is the only one I may disagree with.
Fair haha!
You can pry my grand orbiter phaser from my cold, dead hands /s
I just didn’t LOVE phaser until I got 3 different mix knobs. Resonance, sweep, and depth really let you perfectly figure out how much phasing you really want.
Haha I’m not sure if I stand by this video anymore. Some of my opinions have changed I think I might make a follow up.
I think any effect that isn't working with your dynamics is a waste. Like... I don't like chorus but I think it's better than using a phaser or autowah. Though, the QTron Envelope Filter sounds great - I'd like to buy it - though it's definitely "dated." 🤔 I'd like to try using my delay as a chorus. Hmm
Yeah good point actually! Give the delay a go. It definitely sounds different to a chorus but similar at the same time.
Bin the tuner? Way ahead of you 🤣 too broke to have bought a "non pedal" pedal
Honestly with no other instruments the phaser and chorus both feel a little dated
Fair! I think you’re right.
I really appreciate the production quality of these videos but I really disagree with this advice and the premise- an EQ pedal is the single most educational and satisfying pedal to learn with and fine tune your tone.
Most of us do not have the luxury of playing with sound guys who will find the good and bad frequencies and notch them out or add the correct amount of compression- and even If you are playing with a great sound guy the more you can do personally (especially with volume levels+compression) before laying your tone in their lap makes their job easier and means you will probably be more satisfied with the end result.
The more you can do before you hit the sound guy, the better it is for everybody.
Well, I think it’s hard for me to argue against that! ✌️
I think I’m still learning what and where everyone is playing and I reckon I need to take that into account more when I’m making these.
Thanks so much for your comment mate 👌
@@thesethingsmakenoises thanks for your reply- I really appreciate your sentiments and the fact that usually your channel seems to try challenge peoples preconceived ideas about the “proper” way to do things, so thanks for the content
Best wishes x
Thanks mate!
I completely agree with the phaser. They sound so generic.
✌️🤘
I don't really agree, everything can and should be used in certain cases
Fair play! I feel maybe I was a bit rash on some of the stuff here and might do a follow up at some point.
@@thesethingsmakenoises anyway, your channel is amazing! lots of really useful stuff and I especially appreciate shoegaze related stuff
Thank you!
Tremolo??? Yeah, well, you know that’s just like, uh, your opinion, man
Awwww maannn I’m sorry haha!!
This video was really helpful: I now know to completely disregard your chanel
It’s all good if you disagree ✌️
I know you gotta create content for a TH-cam channel to exist. With that said, avoiding certain effects so that you don't sound "dated" lol, one might be losing out on a great tone or sound that has yet to be made. Totally defeating the purpose of not wanting to use them in the first place.
That’s a really good point actually. Someone else mentioned putting phaser into chorus etc.
@@thesethingsmakenoises I haven't tried it out yet but, I read today if you put a little bit of flange into a chorus pedal you can get a good sound similar to the boss dimension c pedals.
That sounds really cool!
I cannot believe you just said urban music🤣🤣
Ahh no! I’m so sorry, I had no idea of the history of the term or that was it was something that had been changed. I have edited it out now! Apologies again.
Who even owns a feedback booster?
Haha!
Nope….compressor and EQ are fantastic pedals….completely disagree….especially with bright single coil pickups
You have no idea how wrong you are on phasers my dude
Maybe I need to have another go!
@@thesethingsmakenoises try the small Stone with the switch up, a slooow sweep and a ton of distortion or fuzz and Just let chords hang. That's not a sound you can get with other types of fx. Anyways Sorry if the comment came off a Little mean!! Great video and great content overall, cheers!
Will give it another shot mate. No worries at all! Glad you're enjoying the vids. @@TheSactoSmile
Dear sir/madam ~ your video is already outdated. 🤔
This is an interesting comment
Compression pedals are pretty much useless and a waste of money
Essential for jangle pop and similar dream pop
Good point!
Yeah definitely for this style of music
This is awful advice. I would suggest buy a cheaper alternative or borrow a pedal you’re interested in and check out if you like it and if it works for you. All effects have a time and place and can turn a good chord progression or riff into something even more interesting.
Yeah good point, this is really just from my experience. ✌️
Shoegaze? Is that some crappy English band?
Use them as artist not as the specific effect that they are. This video is ridiculous.
Understand that mate, I find it hard to detach from that sometimes ✌️
Great advice, now I feel good not buying gear 😊
Though a little BD-2...😂
As for compressor have a look at a used DBX 166xs (comp.lim.gate) I love mine.
My current (as of today) fav fx are fuzz, trem. and...phaser...
A multi-fx is so sweet 😊
Haha! Thanks mate.
Yeah the dbx stuff is so good. I end up just using plugins etc when recording.
Yeah agree that multi effects can be great!