Do These 3 Things To Fix Your Alt/Grunge Fuzz Pedal Tone NOW
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2024
- Have you been struggling to nail those awesome fuzzy guitar tones you hear on your favourite 90s Alt-Rock records? Well today, we're going to try and fix that with 3 simple tone tips.
These tips outlined here are from pure trial and error over years of trying to make my guitar sound great in a band setting. They've really helped me to get better tone and I hope they can help you too!
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0:00 Introduction
1:25 OD BEFORE FUZZ
3:56 DOUBLED UP CLEAN GUITAR
6:24 CHORUS PEDAL AFTER DISTORTION
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Bro, I had no idea that was your band I've been binge-watching your stuff for like a month now and I just had the craziest shock ever. I've been listening to Forever Whatever for like a year now.
No way, that’s awesome haha. Thanks so much!
Rule of thumb is to put modulation and time related pedals after od/ds/fz. Once tried bend the rules carefully 😊 Boss DS-1 can sound great on drums...
Yeah definitely! Boss DS-1 on drums sounds like something I wanna try!
Look for Dan Mayo, first of all he's the drummer of an amazing band called Tatran, and in his solo projects he experiments with effects on drums and it's really cool
love kyle the logic drummer! His style is so unique and straightforward, never misses a beat.
Haha he’s always right on the money!
Great video! Here's the irony of those "scooped tones," when you record, guitar... it's ALL MIDS!!!
I definitely like to put an Overdrive before my Fuzzes to help out too. After watching this and another video I found out that I am able to get those 90s Grungy and Alternative tones just because of my pedal arrangement on my main board that is set up to play everything I like to play.
Main board signal: Boss TU 3, Danelectro Daddy O*- Danelectro Cool Cat Chorus (18 volt model)- Danelectro Dan Echo* (for Slap Back echo), Danelectro Dan Echo* (yes another one, this one is set on a Spacey Echo setting)- Ibanez Tubescreamer mini- ProCo Rat*- EHX Big Muff NYC*- EHX Oceans 11, Source Audio True Spring Reverb (for a Surf sound)- Orion Effect Kafka Reverb (for a darker reverb)- Ibanez Echo Shifter- Walrus Audio Slo reverb
*pedals are modded by Alchemy Audio
I have this on a Gator Extra Large board (lime green) and while I have two Gator Brick power supply pedals for 13 possible pedals butdue to the milliamp draw I have to use two wall warts under my pedal board as well. What I did was find a great power strip on Amazon so both Gator bricks and the wall warts fit under there. I also have an LED light strip (for the back of TVs) that I did under the board to keep things interesting. I use a mixture of cables but all are good and have about 10 feet of cables for all 13 pedals.
Dirt, Reverb and Echo are my main tones if it isn't obvious.😉👍✨
Did put the RAT in front of Jet Phaser with fuzz enabled. As long the ds is 12o'clock-ish or lower it drives with dynamics retained. Beyond 12 it gets compressed/wall of noise.
Oooo nice!!
When I doubled up with clean live, I would by-pass most of the board (dirt and some other mods) at the tuner, but came back in on the right of my stereo delay, reverb (the second one haha) and loop for a stereo output, if that makes sense. I had the by-passed "clean" going through a VOX AC30 and the dirt through a Fender Twin Reverb, but both those amps had multiple inputs, so definitely didn't need two amps! I was also the only guitarist, so had to do what I could!
You nailed it, as usual. I use my JHS Bonsai (Keeley mod) into a Big Muff Rams Head. The tone control on the Bonsai dials in and cleans up the overall sound clarity of the Big Muff. Discovered this a couple of weeks ago thanks to your channel. Cheers!
Thanks so much mate. Ahh that sounds like an awesome setup. It’s amazing how well it works isn’t it.
I can’t remember where I initially heard that tip. I think it genuinely might have been a happy accident.
Just started watching your videos a few weeks ago, but I've been listening to October Drift since 2020 and just realised it’s your band! Really enjoy both the music and the videos! 🎉
Haha no way that’s awesome!!!
The channel i was waiting for.
Here from the beginning!❤
Legend. Thanks mate!
great video. im using the Plumes as my OD running right before my Swollen Pickle. Ive been debating getting a Warlow for awhile....
This is a great video man. Loved the chorus and fuzz lead sound. I right now use my amps distortion as my rhythm sound (with some effects) and use fuzz for leads and stuff, but I’m definitely using that chorus effect for leads!
Sounds sick mate! Can’t beat an amp distortion for rhythm tones!
Some really useful tips in this video - cheers
Thanks mate.
Absolutely brilliant video Dan - thanks! Those tones you are getting are really massive but with clarity also - only query I have is do you do you always prefer OD before FUZZ or do you try FUZZ before OD at times also?
Hmm I think I’ve tried it before but maybe not for a while! I say give it a go 🤘 Let me know how you get on.
Great vid! i also love the so called alternative bands, normally the highest gain pedals like fuzz, distortions are supposed to go first in the chain, i also sometimes use the plumes in the clean boost mode after my tone bender, muff and rat style pedals. But your right you have to experiment with pedal order. Ive recently found my greer lightspeed overdrive sounds amazing after all my fuzzes, overdrives, modulations, delays and reverbs last in the chain and its a beautiful thing. Loving your content!
Thanks so much! Yeah sometimes doing things the ‘wrong’ way just gives cool sounds that you’d have never got if you’d never tried it! 🤘
With big muff style fuzz in particular it's pretty standard to put OD first. Would be different if it's a fuzzface or tonebender style fuzz
Tips 1 & 2...use something like the Orange Guitar Butler or one of the Tech21 character" series. Both will work as an overdrive, plus they both have an XLR with speaker sim, as well as a 1/4" amp out. So you run the XLR into the PA/mixer and the other out through the effects, into your amps. Now you have a clean sound parallel to the effected sound & you have the overdrive/preamp before the fuzz.
This channel speaks to me
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Is that not when the guitarist turns his amp up louder than everyone else 😂
Haha I mean that was my original number one tip 😂
Loved the video. Im wondering how do you go about recording your amps for these sounds? When im trying to record mine i always end up with an okay clean sound but when i turn my distortion on, it just doesn't sound good. Im putting the mic on the cone of the speaker, i've experimented with mic positions and its honestly a head-scrather, it seems that whatever i try i just can't record a good distortion tone, even tho it sounds good in the room. A video on that would be really cool!!
I actually have a video coming about amp sims/amps next week that will show more of the settings etc but I would say try and dial the amp in when you’ve got the distortion on to get a good distortion sound and then turn it off. You might be surprised that you have a different, but equally nice clean sound!
@@thesethingsmakenoises thats actually a very cool tip, i have never thought about it!! will defenitely try it tommorow! and im looking forward to the video about amps and amp sims. i love the channel, keep up the great work!!
It's a shame this dude stopped doing vids!
I hate how chorus and fuzz sound together for rhythm but i love how heavy fuzz transitions into clean chorus. im running my wampler tumnus into a boss line selector with my green russian big muff and my small clone looped in so i can leave both on and tap that to switch from clean to driven sounds. Then it goes into a space echo into a walrus SLO.
Anyone have reccomendations for distortion pedals that could replace my green russian? Not sure how i feel about it
That sounds awesome mate!!
Have you looked at Jptrfx pedals? I did a video on the Silvermachine which is just a crazy fuzz, but the ‘Warlow’ is probably my favourite pedal at the mo. It’s a rat and bigmuff in one pedal
awesome vid! how do you recommend learning making drums for shoegaze type stuff because I also do not have a drummer, just guitars.
Have you got Logic Pro? The drummer function is amazing! If not if you listen to ‘Loveless’ most of that is samples I believe. You should be able to sample simple patterns on any DAW with a drum sampler.
for that second tip, with doubling the fuzz with a clean tone, you can actually use that to your advantage if you treat the fuzz guitar almost like a synth bed, you can then get clean guitars to sit over the top and get some pretty weird dichotomies. “Small Crimes” by Failure’s a pretty cool example of it (even though it’s modulated guitar and fuzz bass you get the idea). I normally use other pedals for distortion but this is what I use a big muff for, big chords and beds of sound, the use both a chorus and phaser over top (no drive), sounds whacked out but cool.
Yeah that’s a great shout. I didn’t have time to mention it without just padding the video out but I use a crunchy/slightly less distorted guitar instead of a clean one sometimes and that can sound cool too!
And lastly an acoustic can sound awesome too!
@@thesethingsmakenoises all stack wonderfully together. And if an acoustic could be used on Spoonman by Soundgarden then i think it could be used anywhere
Tube screamer before big muff is amazing. Really sad because I sold both. Need to get those back
🤘🤘 heck yeah
Good clip! It can depend on how your amp is set, and what kind. I was recording in 1993 and thought yeah cool, my JC120 will be fine, with a Superfeedbacker, because it totally rocks live. Uh, no. It sounded thin and fizzy, and shit, basically. The engineer asked what I was trying to get out the other end, so I described it, and we ended up cranking a JTM45 and doubling almost everything. It was hard going, but the payoff was huge. More like Swervedriver than MBV. The other guitarist ran a Jaguar into a Mesa IIc, which also rocked. The engineer was happy, bc it made separation and panning so much easier.
I've done the OD into Fuzz for ages - Bass Soul Food into an OpAmp Muff, works beaut. Recently wanted to try some others so bought a PedalFarm Green Russian NOS, which is quite tight, not too mushy, and last week got a Blackout by IdiotBox - basically two Muffs in a small enclosure, one with a mids-boost/restore. THAT is cool.
That sounds like an awesome recording session!!
I’ve heard a lot about those idiotbox pedals. I think it’s time I had a look!
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He made it!!
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Mixing clean (DI) and amped tracks is common for bass guitars. The clean signal preserves the low-end fundamentals that can be muddied or lost with amps and distortion. Instead of recording two takes, you can split the guitar signal to DI (or a clean amp) before the dirty amp, recording both signals simultaneously.
Yeah 100% that works great with bass for the lows etc! The only thing with actually doubling the guitar is it makes it sound thicker as it’s not the same take. You’ll be very slightly out of time to the other take which makes it double up the sound. Kinda like a chorus pedal!
Putting your modulation effects _after_ your drives!?!
Gosh, how revolutionary!
Wait until I tell the guys in the band....
😐😐😐
Hahhaa! It’s a revelation
It's funny how these trips changed the tone so much but they were very simple 🤣♥
Yeah it’s nuts how sometimes the simplest things make big differences. And also I didn’t wanna just say buy X gear and it’ll make your tone better because 9/10 it won’t 😂
What Guitar are you using here, please?
I've never seen one with a Jack input like that before!
That’s my Chinese Fender Jaguar!
@@thesethingsmakenoises wow!
It's a pretty cool variation…
I just bought a Chinese Thinline telecaster with P 90s today and I really like it
what amp are you using? I really like warlow > chorus sound
I've been swapping around, but i think this was either DRZ Maz JR or Fender Twin
I've been hesitant to get an OD. I like having all my pedals on a single board to give me options, and part of that option set is to be able to have an option for a completely clean/ungained signal coming into modulation effects.
But you're dead right about the mid scoop, and while I've never been a proper "musician" I could always tell that something seemed off about my tone. I'm fairly certain I've read multiple sources saying Kurt kept boosting his mids whereas everything else I have ever read or been taught told me to cut the mids and boost lows/highs.
For the most part, just about everything I tried sounded like mud. Definitely one of the most frustrating parts of my electric experience and a huge reason why my main guitar for so long has been a classical with a pickup in it, rather than any of my electrics.
If you are looking for a cheap od pedal to mess about with. Have a look out for the ‘mojo mojo’ pedal by tv electronics. You can pick them up super cheap second hand online and they’re pretty solid!
Yeah, I have found my Marshall has helped with that too, and then using the filters on the fuzz pedals to try and dial the sounds. I also use really heavy strings, I’m not sure if that has anything to do with it though!
@@thesethingsmakenoises I've got a cheap solid state marshall with a 4x12 as my primary amp but haven't found a tone I like yet.
I missed part of the tale in the first reply... I'm out of space on my pedal board currently. In order to add the 3 stompboxes I just got I'll have to remove or condense a couple, and that won't leave room for an overdrive till I remove a fuzz or distortion.
So tell me something. When you're writing or playing around with ideas, do you ever have moments where you feel like a completely clean tone is appropriate? If so, how do you handle that?
Have you ever tried the overdrive after fuzz? My T-Rex Møller put after my DOD Carcosa fuzz makes the Carcosa sound so fckng fat!
Na but that sounds like a right shout. Will give it a whirl!
Who makes that "AMPED" pedal,
please? ... i'm looking Amp simulators thay are good without being pricey🤞
Watch this space. It’s the Blackstar one. There’s a more in-depth video all about it in next weeks video.
It’s not super cheap, but for what you get I think it’s amazing. I think it’s about £400
There’s one called the Joyo American sound or something like that that’s meant to be good for around £100.
@@thesethingsmakenoises thanks very much I appreciate it and will look out for that video review
I generally play on auto-pilot. What works once gets tried again and soon becomes the norm. I find I think differently when I record stuff now, rather than what I did years ago which was drive the sh!te out of everything and overdo the reverb. It was all in 4-track cassette in those days and generally very.muddy.
The most original thing I did, was at a time I hated all my distortion and fizz pedals and simply used the OD channel on my amp (Laney AOR30). The secret sauce was my Pearl Octaver. It was analog and glittchy AF
Haha yeah I’ve definitely been guilty of doing that before! The more the better right? 😂
That sounds awesome, was the October a reverb octave effect or just like a whammy style octave pedal?
i thought i forgot to turn on my headphone correction (by default my headphones are very bass sounding), but the voice in the video itself have so many boomy frequencies...
i don't remember that earlier videos had such problem
Hmm that’s weird. I’ll have a look into it for the next video. Thanks for the feedback mate!
If my fuzz tone doesn't come out the way i thougjt it would its because my toddler has messed with my settings. Its my biggest problem
Haha!! That’s a good problem to have
Wait, what.... you're in October Drift!? Damn man,I followed Octo Drift on Instagram and this youtube channel about the same time in past few months.
Yeah!! Haha no way that’s awesome. Thankyou!
For Kyle!
Aww thanks so much mate! He’ll be chuffed!
Happy accidents are actually half-accidents, you need an open mind to notice them and use their potential🦸Great video! And I love how you experiment with the dynamics of every new episode 🙌
Yeah 100% Thanks again Daria! It means a lot
what is your bands name
It’s called ‘October Drift’
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Haha Yeah! Although Albini got some amazing tones from them too!
O HEY ARE YOU PLAYING HUM? :3
Haha! No, but awesome band