Windows XP build part 3 - The software
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ธ.ค. 2022
- With the hardware installed in part 2, it's time to install Windows XP, take it for spin and take a look at some of the software and games from the early 2000s. Of course it's never quite that straightforward, but lets give it a try...
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I had an Athlon XP 2800+, 512MB DDR 333, GeForce 4 Ti 4800, and Sound Blaster Audigy. I then went to a laptop as I needed mobility. That had an Athlon 64 3200+ (S754), 1GB DDR 400, Radeon 9600XT (MR9700), and later an Audigy 2 ZS Notebook. That was an absolute beast of a machine.
Now have a Shuttle XPC Athlon 64 3200+ (S754), 2GB DDR 400, Radeon X800 XT PE, and Audigy 2 ZS. That is my retro gaming PC for all things Windows XP. Only real change is an SSD instead of a hard drive.
Those are some sweet machines! How did the Ti 4800 run? Never saw one IRL back in the day.
@@RetroSuperhighway It was basically a 4600 but with an 8x AGP instead of 4x.
Excellent! You can play and use Windows XP with AMD Processor.
Mainboard: NVIDIA nForce2 (ASUS)
CPU: AMD Athlon XP 3200+
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600
Ram: Corsair XMS Platinum Series PC-3200 (DDR-400) [512x2 MB]
Digital I/O Module: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy2 Platinum eX (excluded Sound Card)
Mounting: SanDisk SSD Plus 240GB
DVD Drive: Pioneer DVD-106S
Monitor: Hercules Prophetview 920 PRO DVI
OS: Windows XP Service Pack 2
Miscellaneous: 1) Microsoft Plus! for Windows XP
2) 3DMark2001 Pro
3) 3DMark03
4) Unreal Tournament 2004
5) Doom 3
6) Rise of Nations
But my favourite games are GameHouse & PopCap Games (Like Zuma Deluxe)
Hello, mister hand! Nice machine!
is it just me that whenever you install windows xp, desktop or not, it always feels nostalgic and overall better than installing newer versions of windows and such?
watching someone install it triggers some part of my brain that gives me joy, but when you're doing it yourself just feels more special fsr
anyway, again, this is such a good series, watching the hardware get inserted to the case, and finally installing windows xp is such an enjoyable experience
might also try this on an old desktop that was given to me from a relative, and turn it into my first ever retro machine!
Yeah, installs of new versions of Windows feel sort of cold and clinical somehow, I guess a bit like how the looks of the OS have become. I know it's a massive dose of nostalgia talking (and to be fair the new installs of Windows tend to just work), but installing an older OS is just more special.
that was a fun series of videos. i enjoyed watching them . excited to see what you do next
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
System Shock 2, Thief:The Dark Project, Need For Speed Porsche Unleashed, Halo, Serious Sam, Star Wars Jedi Knight Jedi Outcast, and Jedi Academy. Nomads, The Phantom Menace, Star Trek Voyager Elite Force. Half Life. Beyond Good and Evil. To name a few. Drakan Order of the Flame. Elder Scrolls III:Morrowind. Shogo. Recoil-tank game. Descent 3, Descent:Freespace-very intense space combat, and of course Freespace 2. Diablo 2. So many. I could keep going but this is beginning to get lengthy.
Some classic titles there, SS2 and Half Life are 2 of my all time favourites.
Lineage 2 c4
turned out really good good job you did on that one for sure
Thank you very much!
New sub! I like your videos, greetings from Argentina!
Thank you!
Enjoy your build!
Interesting issue regard the bad ram, and interesting choice of a monitor with that scary advertising of 20ms latency :)
But the overall look of the case is really nice.
Thank you! Hehe, those monitor specs are certainly nothing to shout about these days, but it actually looks pretty good in person. I was doing a bit of research they other day and found the original price of it, it was eye watering!
Watched all 3 parts of your XP build, and I cant help my self, I like all videos, especially how nice is your case, but still, for XP era of gaming, I'll think about PC with GPU started around nvidia 6xxx series to proper way of playing doom 3 in native resolution of your LCD in high details 🙂
Your PC is... lets call it, almost ultimate Win 98 PC 👹🙂
And I recommend to add Quake 3, maybe RTCW test also :-)
Yeah it's definitely a PC for early Windows XP games. Hardware and software was moving very quickly around that time if I remember correctly, and Windows XP was around for a heack of a long time. I do plan on doing something in the future for a late XP machine.
Haha, it would be pretty mighty for Windows 98, I ought to put an install on an SSD and see how it goes.
@@RetroSuperhighway god dammed!!! I just wrote a half hour answer to this and accidentally closed it, so lets start again 😀😀😀
I just want to write to you, that still this pc looks like an ideal candidate for beast W98 PC, I think for WinXP games its still slow... And i want to give some inspiration, with my few setups 🙂
P1 200 MMX, 32 MB RAM, S3 Trio 4 MB, 8.4 GB HDD (partitioned), some kind of CDROM, ESS 1869 ISA sound card, DOS + W95
I wish to find a reasonable priced voodoo1 or 2 card for that pc, my dream
PII 400, 128 MB RAM, Voodoo 3 2000, 80 GB HDD, some kind of CDRW burner and DVDROM, SB Live!, W98SE
This PC was made just because I want to test voodoo 3 card and I had some parts lying around, case even doesn't have a side panel 🤣
P4 3.2 GHz, 2x 512 MB DDR400, ATI Radeon 9550 128 bit 256 MB (modded to 9600, bios replacement, even little bit faster, with zalman cooler), 120 GB HDD x3 (yep, 3 times, lot of ISO images), Audigy 2 (non ZS), DVD burner, W98SE with unofficial SP3), because of memory, and because I want to have 2 same RAM stick together.
Funny fact about that pc, it goes in win98 little, really really little bit faster with 1 stick of ram (512 MB) in 3d mark 99 and 2001.
Main reason of that pc was ability to play games in high resolution and high refresh rate, thru DVI to HDMI reduction on my modern high refresh LCD and it works flawlessly, so I can leave my 2 big crts in basement and eventually to take it to the land parties
I5 920 or 960 not sure right now, 4 GB RAM, Radeon 7870 2 GB, 1 TB HDD, SB X-Fi (with that i had a very big problem to find a correct drivers, forced to reinstall windows maybe hundred times), DVD burner, WinXP
Still didn't test it enough, but I tested there games like Q3, RTCW to Far Cry and Crysis, works perfectly.
And of course main PC, where I can play some of that old XP games, but u need to patch it and commonly lan games dont work etc etc so lots of problems, in sort Ryzen 5600x, 16 GB 3600MHz, Radeon 6700 XT, 1 TB NVMe, 2x 1TB SDD, 2 TB + 4 TB HDD, no burner any more 😀
So If i want to go to LAN patry, I can take 3 PCs. 1 LCD, and I can play games from W98 to W10 games there, uff 😀😀😀
Those are some great systems! I agree that it would be a beast of a Windows 98 PC, but this is one of the retro PC's that I have out to use all the time. I have a few of these, each one is a copy (or as close as I can get) to the hardware that I had at the time. So for example, this is a near copy of the PC that I first ran Windows XP on, I have a K6-3 system that I had Win 98 on back in the day an so on.
So yeah, not the fastest systems for each OS, not by a long way, but they extra nostaligic to me because they are what I had. Having said that, there is something totally cool about having a beast of a PC, way in excess of anything that OS would have had back in the day :)
@@RetroSuperhighway OK, understand, i'm also thought to made my first pc, but its impossible to buy parts. it was regular p166 (no mmx), 32 mb ram, first matrox millenium with upgrade to 8mb, which I found later for price of chocolate, SB AWE 32 not sure if opl version or not, I was wondered all the time, why there was slots on sound card, so my first pc replaces it...
Went to retro too late 😞at least i found exactly same case, remember father then, when I moved away from home, decided to give away that pc kindergarten with complete commodore 64 even with all boxes, and i found it many years later, my heart is crying even now 😞
@@dim0n1 I hear that. I think back and massively regret the amount of computers or parts that I gave away or got rid of over the years. At the time they were old and slow, but now they would be retro and awesome! I try not to make that mistake any more.
I had the Plus add ons back then. First Plus for Windows 98 and then Plus for Windows XP. I used the aquarium screen saver and played the labyrinth game in Plus for XP. The aquarium screen saver was pretty cool back then.
Were you using it on a CRT still as a screensaver, or did you have an LCD panel and were just using it because it was cool?
@@RetroSuperhighway I was using it on a CRT monitor. It was a Packard Bell 5480 17" CRT monitor with built in speakers, subwoofer, and microphone. The subwoofer was in the base stand of the monitor.
That is a great looking monitor, sooo Packard Bell, I hope it sounded good too!
Great vídeo ✌
Thank you!
@@RetroSuperhighway thanks
Somewhere, I have a temperature monitor (stick on sensors) and USB front panel gizmo that I never got round to using... you're welcome to it if I can find it in the pile that's been in the corner for ever
Thats very kind, thank you. If you find it in your pile of stuff, could you send me a picture of it please? You could message it to me via Twitter if that is ok? I'm @retrosuperhwy
very nice! im actually starting a build on a similar case but for a 775 core 2 quad build 😊
Nice! What case is it that you are using, or is a no brand one like I have?
@@RetroSuperhighway i think its a no brand as well, very similar to yours but no window and no light bars on the sides, and its originally grey with the blueish plexy 🙂
If you are interested in updating the machine, there's a community run project called legacy update. Patches windows update and let's you install all the updates for the os
Thanks for the suggestion, I've heard of that before but never given it a look. I'll go check it out.
the xp sp3 install from 2018 is much better unless you want the authentic experience, try cleaning the ram contacts with a rubber eraser.
I was going for the authentic experience, whats better about the XP SP3 from 2018? It might be good to use in some future builds.
Thanks for the RAM tip, I tried cleaning the RAM contacts and the sockets but sadly neither made any difference.
An interesting trio of videos! My XP., PC., had a built in card reader which I found useful, perhaps you could add a card reader to your build.
Nice suggestion. My memory is really fuzzy on memory cards back from 2002/2003, was it pretty much the same as we have now? CF, SD, Smartcard, Memory Stick(!) etc.
@@RetroSuperhighway My recollection is also vague, so I would just install a card reader which fits. Do you ever use Linux? I have three ram., sticks which are 4 gig., sticks and from online searches I have found that they are for AMD., here is the information which is on the labels DDR2 800MHz PC2-6400U-256X4/32C do you know what Motherboards/chip sets they are for?
I'm not sure on the DDR2 RAM for AMD, I don't recall any memory being specific to one manufacturer or another. Howerver there is a thread on the Vogons forum here www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=59049 that talks about it a bit more.
I have not used Linux in many years. I tried to install it and use it back in the AMD K6/2 era, but struggled and so I continued with Windows ever since. I'd like to try it again and see if it is a viable alternative for me now.
@@RetroSuperhighway Thanks for the link and I use Linux Mint as my main operating system, there are several versions including one which is based on Debian, the rest are based on Ubuntu, the XFE version is the lightest and most stable version, but I like the MATE version. I also use Sparky Linux and there are several versions of it and they are all based on Debian.
Thanks for the info, I'll get round to trying it again one day and hopefully stick with it long term this time.
Maybe with the 2nd set of ram its just some strange incompatibility with the board, despite letting winXp install.
If memtest passes maybe try a 2nd motherboard etc if you have it.
Yeah the 2nd set of RAM is strange one. Perhaps a weird incompatibilty as you say, I do have other boards I can try it on. Maybe the motherboard in the video is on it's way out or the caps are getting close to failure? Either way, more testing needed.
@@RetroSuperhighway *Edit* oh just reached that part you mentioning the troubleshooting lol.
Thinking it's not quite feeding enough voltage too be stable on those other ram sticks, specially if they are high density you'll probably need a slight overvolt on them or if they are higher speed ram sticks at like 333 or 400 mhz you might need it on some boards with bad caps or low voltage output on the ramslots.
If you don't mind leaving it too dry for a day or two spraying some contact cleaner in the ram slots & a toothbrush scrubbing the ram slots & the ram sticks a bit might help also.
As who knows what environment the board has been in over the years.
Had an issue with voltage droop on my old AM3 board whenever i used 4 ram sticks in it as the board wasn't stable even at the standard 1333 mhz ddr3 is specified at & these were just corsair valueram 2 gb sticks which didn't have any tight timings or anything. a voltage increase too 1.55v though & it's rock solid even when overclocking a phenom II x6 1090t at 3.8 ghz.
The ram issue is the only thing still bugging me about thie build to be honest. I'm going to try the sticks in a different board first, as it easiest to do, just try and confirm if they are good/bad and go from there. Good point about the ram slots. I cleaned the contacts on the ram sticks, bit I was a bit reluctant to start spraying the contact cleaner on the board while it is in the case and then the contact cleaner gets all over everything! After I've tested the ram on another board, I'm going to pull this board out of the case and clean the ram slots to see if it helps.
I had a windows 98 machine that had some sort of dodgy connection somewhere as a small bump to the case always required me reseating the processor and ram to get it running again
age of empires 2, original, hd and remastered/enhanced edition
roll cage
p100 pinball fantasies
I found a complete Age of Empires 3 in a charity shop a couple of weeks ago for 50p. I thought it would go nicely with this system.
Where did you find that case?
eBay, and a couple of tins of silver spray paint after I got it. There are more details in the part 1 video if you need them.
@@RetroSuperhighway Just wondering if there were more of them out there. Do know the name and model? ANd thanks for getting back to me.
There is no make or model number on this one. It was a certain style of case that seemed to come from some of the cheaper OEMs around the time of early Windows XP. I'm not aware or any new cases that look like this, but if you look for the Silver Wizard 2, V-Tech V770 and the Superflower SF-461 you can find something very similar.
Put them in the oven fixes ram.. :)
Heck, I tried everything else with the RAM, why not try reflowing the solder in the oven!