Hey Jarrod, would you be able to get a laptop with a 7745HX in it and compare it with the 7945HX in single core heavy games and benchmarks? I play alot of game / VR games that utilize single core heavily so the 3.6 vs 2.9 base clock has me concerned that getting the top end will gimp my personal experience. Problem is alot of companies force you to get the high end if you want a high end graphics card which sucks. EG Alienware.
@@FTL1511 The difference between them is mostly different GPU, with overseas version of g17 and g18 only having up to 4070 while scar 17 and 18 starts at 4080
what do you think of this configuration for this laptop? legion pro 5 2023 - ryzen 9 7945HX - RTX4070 - 1TB - 32GB - screen 240 hertz 500 nits - for the price of 1896.56 US Dollar
Good to see AMD giving a tough competition to Intel. With Apple pressuring Intel with it's M series, Intel will be pressed to find a better performing processor thermally. Good for the consumer.
WHat's best laptop around ( 2500USD-2600USD) 1.5-1.8 lac for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Data Science and AI graphics Computer modelling and networking Virtualization??
@@Naraayanay get Asus ROG strix g16 with the nebula display. it should be around 2500USD, you get 4070, 32gb ram ddr5, nebula display mini LED 1600p, 100% rgb 100% DCI-3, 3 fan, best laptop cooling technology at the moment. and best core i9-13980hx
@@Naraayanay basically you get best everything in the market right now, best screen display, best CPU best ram, best cooling system but only 4070 gpu because if higher than that with 1600p Nebula display in asus it will overheat your laptop unnecessarily.
Hey Jarrod, please make a video comparing the ryzen 5 and the i5 too. Majority of the people are planning to buy midrange laptops with those processors.
@@randy89555 No Bro This year will be different❤❤❤ In single core intel will easily beat AMD ❤❤❤ And because of higher single core Clock in AMD so Battery life will be also Degrade And another think clock speed can't decide the single core speed but yeh higher clock speed will definitely decide battery backup Because if any company build a processor core for higher clock speed then that core can't use for lower clock speed Thats why intel use P+ E Core Architecture for Efficiency In battery power mode your laptop will use E core for more battery life.
The gaming results where the AMD chip is faster in 1440p and 4k are due to the chip using less energy at lower usage, allowing the GPU to use more of the available TDP, allowing better FPS.
Love it when Intel and AMD are competitive like this on the CPU side... on the GPU side tho its far grimmer for this generation especially, both AMD and Nvidia did a massive flop for price to performance especially when the price hike is so big.
You have to look at overall cost and performance you're getting. the good old Intel/Nvidia combo of laptops are always sure to be extremely expensive. And the Nvidia Laptop GPU's from 80 series to 90 series never deliver what they hype up to be...that's been proven. Why I love the AMD Advantage laptops. Perfect balance of power and efficiency within a cohesive ecosystem
RDNA3 on mobile is not too bad price/performance... because it's limited to budget gamers with the small midrange 200m^2 Navi 33 with nothing else on the horizon 😭😭
13:06 Worse battery life should be attributed to the chiplet architecture of the CPU and not the iGPU. It takes vastly more power to constantly go off dies though substrate to send data between the CCDs and the IOD in contrast to monolithic 7040 series (and all the ones before it) and intel chips.
WHat's best laptop around ( 2500USD-2600USD) 1.5-1.8 lac for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Data Science and AI graphics Computer modelling and networking Virtualization???
Thank you for including C++ build times! I’d love to see the LLVM Linux build complemented with a windows/Visual Studio build, like a Chromium Windows build.
Bruh, hope the motherboard problem doesn't spread into their AMD laptop lineup (as the Ryzen 9 7945HX is basically a 7950X desktop but with cutted down TDP)
@@Eleganttf2 Considering the temps in this video I'd sooner bet it isn't. That AMD chip was running much hotter than the Intel and that was while pulling less power. Definitely something going on there.
except for in the battery life department, both are terrible with the 7945HX getting partiuclarly bad battery life. But hey, the people who get these laptops are likely getting them for desktop performance purposes... for the most part.
@@ashutoshtiwary9605 kind of. If you're used to carrying a heavy laptop, 16 inchers are fine. I carry around the Scar 16 to classes everyday and it's fine. It's when you get to the 17 and 18 inchers where it gets unwieldy. In fact, I love using the Scar 16 for everyday use, it's a fantastic daily driver.
Quite interesting data. I find it especially interesting how Intel and AMD are trading blows instead of having a clear lead for one side or the other. EDIT: In gaming.
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Hey love the analysis you do and that's great as always 👍 *BUT* you often switched around the position of the i9 and R9 in the different sections so viewers always have to check which one is on top on which graph. It would be better if one of them is always on top and the other always bottom.
@@randxalthor The iGPU didn't do poorly at youtube playback, battery life is unrelated to performance. The issue with battery life is with chiplets. Chiplets are much less efficient than monolithic dies, and it's a sacrifice that had to be made in order to achieve such high multicore performance at lower power. The 15W-54W Phoenix will have much higher battery life, since that is monolithic too.
@@mikeb3172 It might also be because the 7945hx is chiplet just like the 7950x (because they need chiplets to get 16 cores with good yields and reasonable cost), and the 7950x has significantly higher idle power consumption than even the 13900k due to the chiplet design. When amd does monolithic, they beat intel in battery life but seem to lose performance due to the lack of l3 cache that can fit.
@@mikeb3172 I don't think he messed up the test, but it is hard to pinpoint what as there's no power data during the battery life test. Maybe that would help? Notebookcheck found the 7945HX CPU package power to consume 42% more power at idle than the i9-13900HX (8.3W on AMD vs 5.8W on Intel). 2.5 at 1hr idle = 2.5 WHr stolen. >We also checked the CPU Package Power while idling with identical power settings on both systems. Intel's Core i9-13900HX is better in this regard with an average consumption of 5.8 Watts, while the AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX consumes 42 % more at ~8.3 Watts. But that'd only explain maybe ~10 WHr due to higher load (thus a ~11% loss in battery life). Something else is wrong here.
12:34 Zen 4 laptop chips are same as desktop ones. Those aren't monolithic. 610M is simply what Zen 4 comes with by default, as this iGPU is inside of the I/O die
they don't sacrifice efficiency under load though, it's absolutely the opposite. Which might make a difference in a few years in a laptop with a total board power limit when the CPU is hammered in a game using a full 175W on a 4080 or 4090. In other words, something like a CPU limit of 75W will get more work done by a 7945HX than it will by a 139x0 HX.
@@greebj Old comment, but this exactly it. Intel performs better when it's allowed to draw a lot (too much imo) power. I have power locked by 7945hx to just 50w and it has been performing admirably in games, with minimal performance loss in select cpu heavy games that end up bottlenecking the 4090 slightly (Space Marine 2 needs around 60w to perform optimally). Incidentally this feature also counters the main drawback of the dragon range: the insane temperatures in laptop. I have a relatively small Zephyrus Duo 16 with the 4090 and running the cpu at any wattage higher than 60w or 65w without a cooling pad will result in costant 96c+ during long gaming session, which is annoying because of the insane noise. Power limited to 50w or 55w it barely spikes above 88c in worst case scenario gaming (avg is around 82c or 84c) which is pretty. Of course the 4090 is constantly locked at 175w+ (it spikes to 180w+ when needed) around 77/78c at full load averaging 2000mhz core clocks in all games and for some games it can easily hold 2200/2300mhz at all times.
What a right moment for this video to release, the M18 was offering both high end configs but ended up getting Intel since it was cheaper oddly enough & I guess i made the right choice since the performance difference in games is negligible (I play at 1080p anyways so went for the 480hz option ) all I care about is cooling & maintaining its max speeds now, thanks for the video glad I don’t have to cancel my order lol
how are you enjoying it? and why do you prefer to game in 1080p instead of 1440p on the m18? i keep going back and forth as i was gonna use AMD for the CPU and the 7900m GPU but it requires me to get the FHD screen and not the UHD
@@jacedragon I enjoy it a lot, IMO FHD is where it’s at for high refresh rate gaming & I love high FPS. It really depends on what you want, I went with the 4090 config but I hear the 7900m is in between 4070 & 4080. & on an 18 inch screen 1200p is fine for me of course QHD will look crispier but I don’t care much about res if Im being honest. I went for the 4090 for the best performance possible & the 13980HX since the test shows it was doing better at 1090p
quite a bummer for me, I loved the last generation of amd processors because they managed to deliver pretty good performance while doubling the battery life compared to intel. sucks to know that this isn't the case with these two high end chips
you need to get 7040HS or U series processors for that, they have better battery life compared to even ryzen 6000. 7945HX is just 7950X desktop with less memory speeds. Same with 13980HK, it is literally a 13900K.
From other reviews, the ryzen 9 seems to be way more efficient than the i9 in multi-core heavy workloads (all cores being pushed as hard as possible), and show similar efficiency in single core heavy workloads (a single core being pushed to 100%). However, for workloads that are not heavy at all (like the one done by Jarrod - watching a simple youtube video), the efficiency cores in the i9 are enough to keep the task going, so there's no need for the performance cores to kick in, thus saving a lot of battery.
I'm trying to decide between these two laptops right now and want to thank you for such a detailed, informative, and concise video. My current gaming laptop has an intel CPU but for most of my life I've preferred AMD, and, thanks to your excellent comparative review and AMD's friendlier price point, I think I'll be returning to my AMD roots. Thanks again!
Jarrod, thank you very much for improving the "Professional applications" Section in the review: I must say that more and more engineering companies and such start using gaming laptops instead of "Professional" laptop with "professional" video cards (like RTX T1000, RTX A4000 and so on) -- the price premium for "professional" became insane lately, not reasoning the gains. If you could add any 3D CAD applications (SolidWorks, CATIA, Fire Pro) and FE software (CalculiX is free, for example) that would be great!
I'm a bit surprised to see a cpu comparison and the good ol csgo isn't there. I mean, the thing runs on a potato but it would have been nice to see which cpu runs it better. I hope when csgo gets updated to cs2 or the cs2 beta becomes available, Jarrod'd include them in a test or something It's really annoying that in the US, the Legion 7 with 7945hx won't be available. I have an intel laptop now and I'd like to give amd a try for once since at this point, you can't really go wrong with either
there are cheaper, better options than Asuss imo. $4K AUD for a Legion 7 Pro 13900HX/4080 is about the best ... I mean least worst value...... and $5k for L7P with 4090, or the Tongfang (XMG Neo 23 / Mech17 GP / Aftershock Manta etc).
The ryzen one is so damn good at 65w. Thanks for testing jarrods tech. Embarrassing that no other tech reviewers have tinkered around with tdps before and showed the amazing perf of this cpu at 65w
To think 5-10 years ago it was unimaginable to have more than 4 cores inside our high end laptops was incredible, and see today 16+ cores is going to be the norm is insane😮, and it will continue to get better and better, when all tech companies start to pursuit efficiency and performance at the same time with new machines andthe rise of ARM processors 😃.
The chiplets design's idle power inefficiency is still plaguing right there😫 power efficiency when being used is excellent, still doing pretty good against competitor at the same power level. But when it comes to idling/light task it hits where it hurts for mobile usage.
cross load limits might be lower tho. The less pure performance-oriented models like these tend to have firmware limits in place to limit CPU power under full GPU load to keep well below powerbrick limit.
Absolute monster Ryzen!! Disappointed by the battery life though, hopefully it improves. (Maybe they could use a similar technique they employ to park CCDs on their desktop chips)
It's the core chiplet design - infinity fabric has had bad idle power use since Zen 1. Multiple dies communicating through the interposer routed through the IO die is just less power efficient than a ring bus on a single bit of silicon. The actual ryzen core itself is far more efficient than Intel's raptor lake P cores. But runs hotter because zen is really squished in there, being a server design at heart where they want heaps of cores running efficiently at low clockspeed. We consumers however pay a lot less than datacenters do for silicon so we get less of the same chiplets clocked way higher and that makes them less efficient. Swings and roundabouts.
@@defnotatroll these are the dragon range laptop cpus, they are desktop replacement class products providing high load efficiency. for ultrabooks and battery life, look for amds phoenix point cpus, which are the ones that get 20h+ of battery life
11:37 I think I have an explanation: As you stated before, the 7945hx is a bit more efficient. So maybe it drawing less power improves thermals or powersupply for the GPU?
What AMD can do with 35W, Intel matched it with 50, and What AMD can do with 45, Intel matched it with 75. AMD is Really efficient now. Imagine that in games, you can give way more power to the GPU. Outstanding from AMD.
How tf is 2 graphic cores using more power for video playback, did you bother investigating? Is it high cpu idle while paying video thats esting up battery??
Other hypothesis: AMD does better at 4K, because of the higher efficiency. So a bit more thermal headroom is available for the GPU to stretch its legs.
Idle power consumption of this 5nm desktop chiplet cpu used hear is more. 4nm 8 core regular ryzen processors have better efficiency than last gen 7nm and 6nm ryzen.
1:25 Intel at 150W equals Ryzen at 75W. For a laptop, you don't want to run your CPU at 150W, as that's a laptop not a toaster! I'd limit the TDP at 75W for the CPU or even 65W.
thinking about buying the 4090 version of the pro 7i, based on you having it would you recommmend i buy it? is there anything holding back why you wouldnt?
The 4080 is a scream as it is. I'm sure you will be thrilled with the 4090. I love the design of this laptop. Very stylish and subtle yet powerful when it needs to be.@@sosuslays
The thing that disappointed me most about the Ryzens this generation is the battery life when the laptop is used for non gaming purposes. They did the battery life justice for my current 5900HX laptop when I am not running games on it but somehow despite the improved efficiency, the battery life cannot seem to be matched. Not sure if it’s a fare comparison however since I am comparing a 16 and 8 core cpu.
there might also be a bug that keeps idle power high. there shouldn't be that big of a difference. it might also be because the youtube video was running on the dedicated GPU on AMD and the integrated GPU on Intel. otherwise the AMD CPU should be more power efficient.
Great comparison! I wonder how the Intel Core i9-13900H compares to the intel i9-13980hx since I see the 13900h in many midrange to highrange laptops and the 13980hx in more highrange laptops. Are the 13980hx laptops worth their price?
While I don't need MacBook levels of battery life, I do quite frequently use my gaming laptop unplugged for content consumption and light duty tasks. AMD's result was surprising and quite disappointing
@@randy89555 what will be better is phoenix. That one is monolithic, and while it will only top out at 8 cores, will bring similar or even better battery life than macbooks
@@souvikmondal6161that's just not true. While 7000 HS series have impressive performance for their TDP, they're roughly about the same level as Intel i7/i9 H series, and far more slower than HX big boys (especially in multi core work load).
Competition is good. Intel was king of the hill for WAY to long and it only led to stagnation and minimal to no improvements for years. I am glad to see them trading back and forth again. That being said, my 13900HX can hit 32k in Cinebench, and I have seen some get up to 35k, so the model of laptop seems to REALLY affect this.
peak scores of >37K on the Legion 7 Pro and Mech GP17 with tuned RAM pulling like 180W. 7945HX in these Asuss units on sale isn't good enough when it comes to pure CPU benching. Waiting for a Legion 7 Pro with a 7945HX sitting under a vapour chamber!
AMD getting slightly better results in games at higher resolutions could be down to the system using less resources for the CPU & allowing the GPU slightly more resources to just nudge ahead.
Ordered the 17 for $800 less than the 18 with the same specs. Also seems like 17 has less or no coil whine compared to 18 as some say. Will see when it arrives in a day or two
Holy, look at that 65W limit Cinebench difference between 7945HX and i9-13980HX. Intel got kind of exposed here. Adding more E-Cores to inflate benchmarks and claiming at the same time they improve efficency did not work well here.
LOVED IT ! please try for a mid-tier CPU comparison test. More like Best bang for buck !! (also suggestions for suitable GPU - RTX 40 series preferred )
Phenomenal video per usual and much appreciated! In the process of upgrading in the next few days. Been bouncing between the Scar 16,17,18. I wish I had somewhere local to see them in person but unfortunately do not.
My 7745hx seemed to beat jarrods 13900hx when i tried to replicate a couple benchmarks from the 4070 legion video. Obviously take with grain of salt but other data out there also show amd beatinf intel in game fps this gen in lower tier cpu. Hopefully jarrod can give us the real data soon, i also expect amd battery to be better than intel without 16 big cores
@@andrepereira5817 too much effort for me to test. Looking forward to someone like jarrod testing, havent seen any info on amd battery this gen outside of 7945hx
I like this channel. But, I feel that the comparison's flawed since AMD only supports a RAM speed of 5200 Hz compared to Intel's 5600 Hz. It may seem silly, but in practice it greatly improves the results of both and influences the low and high fps and the real performance of both laptops. 😔
Could the small lead at 1440p and 4K be from less electricity going to the CPU and more to the graphics from the reduced frame rates at higher resolutions?
Update: The full review of the ASUS Scar 17 with 7945HX is up! Get all the details next: th-cam.com/video/TjvQ1ZezOXY/w-d-xo.html
Hyping for the review, since EOFY is happening soon in Australia, so massive sales are coming soon
Hey Jarrod, would you be able to get a laptop with a 7745HX in it and compare it with the 7945HX in single core heavy games and benchmarks? I play alot of game / VR games that utilize single core heavily so the 3.6 vs 2.9 base clock has me concerned that getting the top end will gimp my personal experience. Problem is alot of companies force you to get the high end if you want a high end graphics card which sucks. EG Alienware.
Any chances you will also review the regular Strix G 17/18 or how it's called this year.
I'm curious how it compares to mine from last year.
@@FTL1511 The difference between them is mostly different GPU, with overseas version of g17 and g18 only having up to 4070 while scar 17 and 18 starts at 4080
what do you think of this configuration for this laptop? legion pro 5 2023 - ryzen 9 7945HX - RTX4070 - 1TB - 32GB - screen 240 hertz 500 nits - for the price of 1896.56 US Dollar
Good to see AMD giving a tough competition to Intel. With Apple pressuring Intel with it's M series, Intel will be pressed to find a better performing processor thermally. Good for the consumer.
Apple has to watch for AMD not intel.
Not good for wallet though
when it come to laptop my brother always had a preference to AMD seems to be a good reason for it.
@@muhammadtausif7195 How is more competition by having 3 CPU vendors not good for wallet ?
@@abdullahnaeem7275eems your brother is just a fanboy, like me 😂
The last 1-2 years have been really great for mobile CPUs. I'm really excited to see how the next few years will shape up.
What's best laptop between/under 2500-2600 USD?
WHat's best laptop around ( 2500USD-2600USD) 1.5-1.8 lac for working professional
Screen Size 17.3 or 18
Data Science and AI graphics
Computer modelling and networking
Virtualization??
@@Naraayanay get Asus ROG strix g16 with the nebula display. it should be around 2500USD, you get 4070, 32gb ram ddr5, nebula display mini LED 1600p, 100% rgb 100% DCI-3, 3 fan, best laptop cooling technology at the moment. and best core i9-13980hx
@@Naraayanay basically you get best everything in the market right now, best screen display, best CPU best ram, best cooling system but only 4070 gpu because if higher than that with 1600p Nebula display in asus it will overheat your laptop unnecessarily.
@@gwanime4929 Thanks how is G18 and what's difference in performance and heating?
Hey Jarrod, please make a video comparing the ryzen 5 and the i5 too. Majority of the people are planning to buy midrange laptops with those processors.
You're right. I hope r5 can beat i5 in single core 🙏 while also giving better battery life
i7 and ryzen 7 would be good too
@@randy89555 No Bro This year will be different❤❤❤
In single core intel will easily beat AMD ❤❤❤
And because of higher single core Clock in AMD so Battery life will be also Degrade
And another think clock speed can't decide the single core speed but yeh higher clock speed will definitely decide battery backup
Because if any company build a processor core for higher clock speed then that core can't use for lower clock speed
Thats why intel use P+ E Core Architecture for Efficiency
In battery power mode your laptop will use E core for more battery life.
You'll need to be far more specific.
If I ever get any 😅
The gaming results where the AMD chip is faster in 1440p and 4k are due to the chip using less energy at lower usage, allowing the GPU to use more of the available TDP, allowing better FPS.
yes, I have same thing.
Yeah I was thinking it's funny how the CPU difference mattered more at higher resolutions 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sounds smart to me.
Dude couldn't make connection despite making his living out of this comparisons 😂😂
Didn’t he have the cpus power limited in those tests though?
Love it when Intel and AMD are competitive like this on the CPU side... on the GPU side tho its far grimmer for this generation especially, both AMD and Nvidia did a massive flop for price to performance especially when the price hike is so big.
Though amd has integrated rdna3 that blows away anything Intel has
@@bogganalseryd2324 ohhh yeah rog ally seems to be benefitting from it the most.
You have to look at overall cost and performance you're getting. the good old Intel/Nvidia combo of laptops are always sure to be extremely expensive. And the Nvidia Laptop GPU's from 80 series to 90 series never deliver what they hype up to be...that's been proven. Why I love the AMD Advantage laptops. Perfect balance of power and efficiency within a cohesive ecosystem
@@abdullahnaeem7275 I agree
RDNA3 on mobile is not too bad price/performance... because it's limited to budget gamers with the small midrange 200m^2 Navi 33 with nothing else on the horizon 😭😭
Just what I was looking for, thanks!
Glad to help!
13:06 Worse battery life should be attributed to the chiplet architecture of the CPU and not the iGPU. It takes vastly more power to constantly go off dies though substrate to send data between the CCDs and the IOD in contrast to monolithic 7040 series (and all the ones before it) and intel chips.
This is probably the most informative channel about laptops. Excellent Videos Jarrod!
Thanks!
@@JarrodsTech Np! Can't wait to see more computer reviews.
What's best laptop between/under 2500-2600 USD?
@@Naraayanay Go for an Alienware. Amazing Build Quality!
WHat's best laptop around ( 2500USD-2600USD) 1.5-1.8 lac for working professional
Screen Size 17.3 or 18
Data Science and AI graphics
Computer modelling and networking
Virtualization???
Thank you for including C++ build times! I’d love to see the LLVM Linux build complemented with a windows/Visual Studio build, like a Chromium Windows build.
"For those who dare"
...to not have an honored warranty
Bruh, hope the motherboard problem doesn't spread into their AMD laptop lineup (as the Ryzen 9 7945HX is basically a 7950X desktop but with cutted down TDP)
@@sihamhamda47 All good
@@Eleganttf2
Considering the temps in this video I'd sooner bet it isn't. That AMD chip was running much hotter than the Intel and that was while pulling less power. Definitely something going on there.
@@KaoruSugimura "hur dur definently something" oh idk maybe the fact it's a damn 16 core and it's a dragon range processor
Love the fact that both are so close in real world performance. You can’t go wrong with either both.
except for in the battery life department, both are terrible with the 7945HX getting partiuclarly bad battery life. But hey, the people who get these laptops are likely getting them for desktop performance purposes... for the most part.
@@niko1evenyup battery life is a no brainer for these kind of laptops
They are just portable desktops at this point
@@ashutoshtiwary9605 kind of. If you're used to carrying a heavy laptop, 16 inchers are fine. I carry around the Scar 16 to classes everyday and it's fine. It's when you get to the 17 and 18 inchers where it gets unwieldy. In fact, I love using the Scar 16 for everyday use, it's a fantastic daily driver.
Quite interesting data.
I find it especially interesting how Intel and AMD are trading blows instead of having a clear lead for one side or the other.
EDIT: In gaming.
What's best laptop between/under 2500-2600 USD?
WHat's best laptop around ( 2500USD-2600USD) 1.5-1.8 lac for working professional
Screen Size 17.3 or 18
Data Science and AI graphics
Computer modelling and networking
Virtualization??
Part of the circus thats why 😂
I think the adantage in higher resolutions might be the efficiency of 7945HX letting the GPU use more of the TDP budget
Hey love the analysis you do and that's great as always 👍 *BUT* you often switched around the position of the i9 and R9 in the different sections so viewers always have to check which one is on top on which graph. It would be better if one of them is always on top and the other always bottom.
Or change colour of one
It's worth noting that the Radeon 610(M) is on the I/O die and explicitly meant for extremely light tasks and especially GPU diagnostics.
It's meant for youtube videos as well, & long battery life. I think Jarrod messed up that test.
Really interesting how poorly it did at TH-cam playback, considering that's half the reason it exists in the CPU.
@@randxalthor The iGPU didn't do poorly at youtube playback, battery life is unrelated to performance. The issue with battery life is with chiplets. Chiplets are much less efficient than monolithic dies, and it's a sacrifice that had to be made in order to achieve such high multicore performance at lower power. The 15W-54W Phoenix will have much higher battery life, since that is monolithic too.
@@mikeb3172 It might also be because the 7945hx is chiplet just like the 7950x (because they need chiplets to get 16 cores with good yields and reasonable cost), and the 7950x has significantly higher idle power consumption than even the 13900k due to the chiplet design. When amd does monolithic, they beat intel in battery life but seem to lose performance due to the lack of l3 cache that can fit.
@@mikeb3172 I don't think he messed up the test, but it is hard to pinpoint what as there's no power data during the battery life test. Maybe that would help? Notebookcheck found the 7945HX CPU package power to consume 42% more power at idle than the i9-13900HX (8.3W on AMD vs 5.8W on Intel). 2.5 at 1hr idle = 2.5 WHr stolen.
>We also checked the CPU Package Power while idling with identical power settings on both systems. Intel's Core i9-13900HX is better in this regard with an average consumption of 5.8 Watts, while the AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX consumes 42 % more at ~8.3 Watts.
But that'd only explain maybe ~10 WHr due to higher load (thus a ~11% loss in battery life). Something else is wrong here.
12:34 Zen 4 laptop chips are same as desktop ones. Those aren't monolithic. 610M is simply what Zen 4 comes with by default, as this iGPU is inside of the I/O die
The Intel has higher L2 cache while AMD has higher L3
AMD winning in gaming performance but sadly sacrificing efficiency on battery kinda makes sense for these big desktop replacements
It's by design of their desktop chiplet architecture. It has an always active seperate I/O die.
Dragon range is their desktop chips.
@@DeepteshLovesTECH ELI5?
they don't sacrifice efficiency under load though, it's absolutely the opposite.
Which might make a difference in a few years in a laptop with a total board power limit when the CPU is hammered in a game using a full 175W on a 4080 or 4090. In other words, something like a CPU limit of 75W will get more work done by a 7945HX than it will by a 139x0 HX.
@@greebj Old comment, but this exactly it.
Intel performs better when it's allowed to draw a lot (too much imo) power. I have power locked by 7945hx to just 50w and it has been performing admirably in games, with minimal performance loss in select cpu heavy games that end up bottlenecking the 4090 slightly (Space Marine 2 needs around 60w to perform optimally).
Incidentally this feature also counters the main drawback of the dragon range: the insane temperatures in laptop.
I have a relatively small Zephyrus Duo 16 with the 4090 and running the cpu at any wattage higher than 60w or 65w without a cooling pad will result in costant 96c+ during long gaming session, which is annoying because of the insane noise.
Power limited to 50w or 55w it barely spikes above 88c in worst case scenario gaming (avg is around 82c or 84c) which is pretty.
Of course the 4090 is constantly locked at 175w+ (it spikes to 180w+ when needed) around 77/78c at full load averaging 2000mhz core clocks in all games and for some games it can easily hold 2200/2300mhz at all times.
What a right moment for this video to release, the M18 was offering both high end configs but ended up getting Intel since it was cheaper oddly enough & I guess i made the right choice since the performance difference in games is negligible (I play at 1080p anyways so went for the 480hz option ) all I care about is cooling & maintaining its max speeds now, thanks for the video glad I don’t have to cancel my order lol
how are you enjoying it? and why do you prefer to game in 1080p instead of 1440p on the m18? i keep going back and forth as i was gonna use AMD for the CPU and the 7900m GPU but it requires me to get the FHD screen and not the UHD
@@jacedragon I enjoy it a lot, IMO FHD is where it’s at for high refresh rate gaming & I love high FPS. It really depends on what you want, I went with the 4090 config but I hear the 7900m is in between 4070 & 4080. & on an 18 inch screen 1200p is fine for me of course QHD will look crispier but I don’t care much about res if Im being honest. I went for the 4090 for the best performance possible & the 13980HX since the test shows it was doing better at 1090p
quite a bummer for me, I loved the last generation of amd processors because they managed to deliver pretty good performance while doubling the battery life compared to intel. sucks to know that this isn't the case with these two high end chips
you need to get 7040HS or U series processors for that, they have better battery life compared to even ryzen 6000. 7945HX is just 7950X desktop with less memory speeds. Same with 13980HK, it is literally a 13900K.
From other reviews, the ryzen 9 seems to be way more efficient than the i9 in multi-core heavy workloads (all cores being pushed as hard as possible), and show similar efficiency in single core heavy workloads (a single core being pushed to 100%). However, for workloads that are not heavy at all (like the one done by Jarrod - watching a simple youtube video), the efficiency cores in the i9 are enough to keep the task going, so there's no need for the performance cores to kick in, thus saving a lot of battery.
Thanks Jarrod ,for all your hard work. Really appreciate it
I'm trying to decide between these two laptops right now and want to thank you for such a detailed, informative, and concise video. My current gaming laptop has an intel CPU but for most of my life I've preferred AMD, and, thanks to your excellent comparative review and AMD's friendlier price point, I think I'll be returning to my AMD roots. Thanks again!
I am also trying to choose, I have already reviewed 20 videos that you have chosen
R9 намного лучше. Бери его.
@@sfeffeefeffe-bn6rp я уже выбрал.
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Thanks!
No problem!
Jarrod, thank you very much for improving the "Professional applications" Section in the review: I must say that more and more engineering companies and such start using gaming laptops instead of "Professional" laptop with "professional" video cards (like RTX T1000, RTX A4000 and so on) -- the price premium for "professional" became insane lately, not reasoning the gains.
If you could add any 3D CAD applications (SolidWorks, CATIA, Fire Pro) and FE software (CalculiX is free, for example) that would be great!
The work you put into your comparisons is quit amazing. It's not something that's lost on most of us. Thank you for all the work you do!
Respect for all effort here Jarrod, great comparrison!
You should have tested intel’s 150W performance.
So that we could know that the power difference matters or not
I'm a bit surprised to see a cpu comparison and the good ol csgo isn't there. I mean, the thing runs on a potato but it would have been nice to see which cpu runs it better. I hope when csgo gets updated to cs2 or the cs2 beta becomes available, Jarrod'd include them in a test or something
It's really annoying that in the US, the Legion 7 with 7945hx won't be available. I have an intel laptop now and I'd like to give amd a try for once since at this point, you can't really go wrong with either
Valve had to give the beta to Jarrod
I can tell you wich cpu would win in CSGo. Intel. Because that game is heavily Singlecore Performance dependant.
It's generally not available outside of Asia. It isn't in the U.K. either for that matter.
Man imagine being able to afford one of these.
6k for a laptop... dreams bro
there are cheaper, better options than Asuss imo. $4K AUD for a Legion 7 Pro 13900HX/4080 is about the best ... I mean least worst value...... and $5k for L7P with 4090, or the Tongfang (XMG Neo 23 / Mech17 GP / Aftershock Manta etc).
Go get a job instead of complaining about how you can't afford anything and starting a pity party under every tech video.
😂😂😂@@Freestyle80
My friend, I make 6 figures, and 6K for a laptop is extreme! I would never in 1000000 years bite that bullet.
Thanks for you hard work once more!
with undervolt, amd cpu reaches 36000 score at cinebench r23 and intel cpu reach 34000 score, pretty close tho
Can you undervolt AMD CPU?
@@shrey522 Not much as intel, but you definitely can
The ryzen one is so damn good at 65w. Thanks for testing jarrods tech. Embarrassing that no other tech reviewers have tinkered around with tdps before and showed the amazing perf of this cpu at 65w
ryzen is so much better with power efficiency intel had to cope by making extra weak eco threads 🤣
To think 5-10 years ago it was unimaginable to have more than 4 cores inside our high end laptops was incredible, and see today 16+ cores is going to be the norm is insane😮, and it will continue to get better and better, when all tech companies start to pursuit efficiency and performance at the same time with new machines andthe rise of ARM processors 😃.
The chiplets design's idle power inefficiency is still plaguing right there😫
power efficiency when being used is excellent, still doing pretty good against competitor at the same power level. But when it comes to idling/light task it hits where it hurts for mobile usage.
Could the 4K results seeming to be higher for AMD be a result of the 4090 drawing max wattage at 4K leaving less total power for the CPU ?
I thought about it too, if thats the case its just amd's efficiency coming into play and a genuine advantage.
no shouldn't be, the Scar 18 has a 330w power supply, and games shouldn't push the CPU all the way to 175 watts.
cross load limits might be lower tho. The less pure performance-oriented models like these tend to have firmware limits in place to limit CPU power under full GPU load to keep well below powerbrick limit.
I wish a compagny will put a 7945hx in a smaller chassis, even at 65w. Seem like it would destroy everything for a productivity laptop
Absolute monster Ryzen!!
Disappointed by the battery life though, hopefully it improves. (Maybe they could use a similar technique they employ to park CCDs on their desktop chips)
Why is the battery life poor? Battery life is where Ryzen is meant to crush Intel but these HX chips are really bad in that area
It's the core chiplet design - infinity fabric has had bad idle power use since Zen 1. Multiple dies communicating through the interposer routed through the IO die is just less power efficient than a ring bus on a single bit of silicon. The actual ryzen core itself is far more efficient than Intel's raptor lake P cores. But runs hotter because zen is really squished in there, being a server design at heart where they want heaps of cores running efficiently at low clockspeed. We consumers however pay a lot less than datacenters do for silicon so we get less of the same chiplets clocked way higher and that makes them less efficient. Swings and roundabouts.
@@defnotatroll has to be cpu idle power, no way 2cus is using more power than intels igpu lol, they need to fix software asap
@@defnotatroll these are the dragon range laptop cpus, they are desktop replacement class products providing high load efficiency. for ultrabooks and battery life, look for amds phoenix point cpus, which are the ones that get 20h+ of battery life
Jarrod, did you have any instability issues with the i9? Are they affected by the CPU degradation?
okay, just before I watch the vid: mad props for putting all these chapters and timestamps.
11:37 I think I have an explanation:
As you stated before, the 7945hx is a bit more efficient. So maybe it drawing less power improves thermals or powersupply for the GPU?
7945HX
Truly high end portable desktop
"If you need more power than this, why are you on a laptop?" - best point made
What AMD can do with 35W, Intel matched it with 50, and What AMD can do with 45, Intel matched it with 75. AMD is Really efficient now. Imagine that in games, you can give way more power to the GPU. Outstanding from AMD.
Daaamn, how much I love competition.
A lot of work done on this one. great work.
thanks!
Thanks for this video jarrod
How tf is 2 graphic cores using more power for video playback, did you bother investigating? Is it high cpu idle while paying video thats esting up battery??
Other hypothesis: AMD does better at 4K, because of the higher efficiency. So a bit more thermal headroom is available for the GPU to stretch its legs.
Whoa intel really improved battery life
They literally switched places 😅
Idle power consumption of this 5nm desktop chiplet cpu used hear is more. 4nm 8 core regular ryzen processors have better efficiency than last gen 7nm and 6nm ryzen.
1:25
Intel at 150W equals Ryzen at 75W. For a laptop, you don't want to run your CPU at 150W, as that's a laptop not a toaster!
I'd limit the TDP at 75W for the CPU or even 65W.
Doing that, it will give best battery life?
I have the 7945hx in my legion pro 7 and man it’s fire. Love it!
thinking about buying the 4090 version of the pro 7i, based on you having it would you recommmend i buy it? is there anything holding back why you wouldnt?
The 4080 is a scream as it is. I'm sure you will be thrilled with the 4090. I love the design of this laptop. Very stylish and subtle yet powerful when it needs to be.@@sosuslays
The thing that disappointed me most about the Ryzens this generation is the battery life when the laptop is used for non gaming purposes. They did the battery life justice for my current 5900HX laptop when I am not running games on it but somehow despite the improved efficiency, the battery life cannot seem to be matched. Not sure if it’s a fare comparison however since I am comparing a 16 and 8 core cpu.
For battery we have 7940hs and 7840hs :)
there might also be a bug that keeps idle power high. there shouldn't be that big of a difference. it might also be because the youtube video was running on the dedicated GPU on AMD and the integrated GPU on Intel. otherwise the AMD CPU should be more power efficient.
Thanks information brother 🙏🏻😊
wow 16 full cores in a laptop and 32 threads wild
2:40, if all power used becomes heat, then possibly tdp is measured differently since we would expect the temps to be more similar?
Damn Jarrod ur videos are great keep it up 😎
The problem with AMD CPUs are higher idling power which is what needs to be measured. Its ok on desktops and not on laptops.
I think this time AMD focused on performance rather than efficiency
Thank you. You are always my favorite.
Great comparison! I wonder how the Intel Core i9-13900H compares to the intel i9-13980hx since I see the 13900h in many midrange to highrange laptops and the 13980hx in more highrange laptops. Are the 13980hx laptops worth their price?
no
What about 13900hx? Much difference?
Great video!
While I don't need MacBook levels of battery life, I do quite frequently use my gaming laptop unplugged for content consumption and light duty tasks. AMD's result was surprising and quite disappointing
16 cores across two dies ie not a monolithic die like Intel with higher idle power draw makes sense that AMD has worse battery life.
Hopefully ryzen5 will be better🙏
@@randy89555 what will be better is phoenix. That one is monolithic, and while it will only top out at 8 cores, will bring similar or even better battery life than macbooks
If you want battery , then look for the 7000hs series laptops. They are almost as powerful as the dragon range while providing better battery life
@@souvikmondal6161that's just not true. While 7000 HS series have impressive performance for their TDP, they're roughly about the same level as Intel i7/i9 H series, and far more slower than HX big boys (especially in multi core work load).
Thank you so much, I've spent over 14 hours researching whether I should get the 17 or 18, you save me a lot of time by making this video.
Hi Jarrod how about R7 7745hx vs intel i7 13800hx? does it have the same result?
thanks, really great video!
Competition is good. Intel was king of the hill for WAY to long and it only led to stagnation and minimal to no improvements for years. I am glad to see them trading back and forth again.
That being said, my 13900HX can hit 32k in Cinebench, and I have seen some get up to 35k, so the model of laptop seems to REALLY affect this.
peak scores of >37K on the Legion 7 Pro and Mech GP17 with tuned RAM pulling like 180W. 7945HX in these Asuss units on sale isn't good enough when it comes to pure CPU benching. Waiting for a Legion 7 Pro with a 7945HX sitting under a vapour chamber!
11:00 Could it be that the ryzen draws less power at 4K and allows more dynamic boost for the GPU ?
AMD getting slightly better results in games at higher resolutions could be down to the system using less resources for the CPU & allowing the GPU slightly more resources to just nudge ahead.
Ordered the 17 for $800 less than the 18 with the same specs. Also seems like 17 has less or no coil whine compared to 18 as some say. Will see when it arrives in a day or two
Have you experienced any coil whine yet?
The realization of Intel is doing what AMD did, adding more cores to the problem, but failing.....
Yeah, I mean, Intel is trash, right😂😂😂
Ty for the review
I found for the scar 18 a deal at msrp in my country
So in a nutshell if you're into rendering or gaming go for AMD... If you're into graphics design and video editing go for Intel
Waiting for this for a long time.
AMON AMARTH SHIRT...alone worth watching the video seeing you wear that :) Great video, great band, great reviewer. Thanks Jarrod! cheers m8!
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Holy, look at that 65W limit Cinebench difference between 7945HX and i9-13980HX. Intel got kind of exposed here. Adding more E-Cores to inflate benchmarks and claiming at the same time they improve efficency did not work well here.
LOVED IT ! please try for a mid-tier CPU comparison test. More like Best bang for buck !! (also suggestions for suitable GPU - RTX 40 series preferred )
Please make a comparison of these laptops, and tell me which one is best to take, which one would you take?
Perfect review, tnx a lot.
Very detailed. Awesome work
Can you do a 2023 Ryzen 7 vs i7 comparison?
Phenomenal video per usual and much appreciated! In the process of upgrading in the next few days. Been bouncing between the Scar 16,17,18. I wish I had somewhere local to see them in person but unfortunately do not.
Again, great video
Would love to see budget cpu comparison too!
16 (high-performance) Cores in a Laptop CPU. That's crazy
Nice power scaling graph
was the youtube video in the batter test running on the dedicated GPU for AMD?
i got i9 13980hx with 4070 for 2444 dollars was it worth it?
Competition looks great for buyers this generation! GPUs... eh
My 7745hx seemed to beat jarrods 13900hx when i tried to replicate a couple benchmarks from the 4070 legion video. Obviously take with grain of salt but other data out there also show amd beatinf intel in game fps this gen in lower tier cpu. Hopefully jarrod can give us the real data soon, i also expect amd battery to be better than intel without 16 big cores
How's battery life in your laptop with the 7745hx?
@@andrepereira5817 too much effort for me to test. Looking forward to someone like jarrod testing, havent seen any info on amd battery this gen outside of 7945hx
Jarod is Intel fans boy
@@marshabrightly1307 nah I think his takes are always balanced, look forward to his amd vs intel comparisons at mid&low range
@@marshabrightly1307 and you are AMD's fans girl
Very Detail's Test!!! Thx !!!!
Very interesting as always, thanks JT
Hey may please throw a mac in there i need to know best option👍
I like this channel. But, I feel that the comparison's flawed since AMD only supports a RAM speed of 5200 Hz compared to Intel's 5600 Hz. It may seem silly, but in practice it greatly improves the results of both and influences the low and high fps and the real performance of both laptops. 😔
Thanks for your work jarrod!
Appreciate your effort. Earned a subscriber.... Keep it up❤
Could the small lead at 1440p and 4K be from less electricity going to the CPU and more to the graphics from the reduced frame rates at higher resolutions?
Which one would be good for good for music production and video editing ? Need an advice !
Thank you
good information,,, thkanks,,,
and, can i know all core boost clock?(max load)