💵 Save money on your next gaming laptop with our daily deals: gaminglaptop.deals Check Prices 👇 ASUS Zephyrus G16 (AMD): geni.us/ASUS-G16-AMD ASUS Zephyrus G16 (Intel): geni.us/ASUS-G16 Corrections: In the Cinebench graph at 3:20 the 25W value for AMD was used instead of the 35W value, as seen earlier in the power scaling graph. This is because I was originally going to do the video at 25W and 80W but found out that wasn't possible later and went to 35W instead. This only happened in Cinebench when I was getting initial results and realized I couldn't sustain the AMD laptop at 25W indefinitely with only the ASUS software.
Sir, I saw your video on if you find a good deal go for it so I have bought a HP omen 16 gaming laptop with an rtx 4050(120 watt) and i5-13420H and 16 GB of ddr5 ram for only $550 on microcenter. You think it's a good deal?
Naming schemes aside, AMD is doing exactly what I want to see in the mobile CPU space - a higher performance CPU with great efficiency, iGPU performance, great battery life and great power scaling at lower CPU wattages.
AMD won't get cut through even with clearly better CPUs if Intel are desperate enough to cut prices and continue doing deals. I've hardly ever seen an AMD laptop on sale ever. The all AMD alienware M18 (7945hx/7900M) is probably the best I've seen but that was such a short run I blinked and missed it 😢
This guy's review are so much detailed yet easy to understand. He also is not biased. I would 100% trust his videos to buy a laptop. Can't imagine how much time and efforts it takes to make videos these detailed.
I totally agreed. 3 years ago I watched so many Jerrod 's videos before buying 2 Legion Pro 5 and 1 5 Slim for my family. I am still very satisfied with the purchase. Th details of his tests are simply unrivaled. Thank you Jerrod.
I was an Intel user for over 12 years, and I switched to the AMD platform in recent years, which is faster, cooler, and longer in either AMD's CPU or mobiles.
I heard intel desinged lunar like that it can not be paired with a dgpu. So its impossible to use them for gaming laptops only very small devices. The lower arrow lake will probably go into the new zephyrus next year.
@@Smiles216 Correct. Lunar Lake only puts out 8 PCIe lanes, four of these are Gen 5, and the other four are Gen 4. So , 4 lanes for the dGPU, another 4 for NVME storage . No way that dGPU can run optimally on 4 PCIe lanes.. Lunar Lake is a replacement for Intel 'U' series CPU . H and HS series will be replaced with Arrow Lake mobile.
Nice work on the comparison, but I noticed a bit of a mistake where the AMD CPU was compared at 25W against the Intel CPU at 35W. You’ve got the AMD CPU scoring 881 at 25W and 1041 at 35W around 2:32, but then at 3:20, it’s shown as 881 at 35W, which is off. This mix-up could affect your other points about efficiency and value, so it might be worth a quick correction.
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The intel model has an issue where it is unable to switch back to the integrated graphics unless you restart. I purchased 3 intel G16s, all new, and had the same issue. I tried all software fixes you can think of and the issue was only consistent with the USA intel model. In the end, i paid more and got the AMD version and its been excellent.
I have an AMD laptop with the same issue, it'll switch to the iGPU when disconnected from power but the dGPU will remain on until restart (and will turn on after next restart even if still on battery). The only workaround I found was using hibernate, which registers as a restart for the machine, but doesn't lose work.
@@HunterTracks What if you set power profile to whisper only for it to use iGPU, does it keep the dGPU disabled/powered off until you manually change to optimized power profile?
TH-cam is planning to start running ads while paused so maybe don’t speed through graphs and tell the viewer to pause in the future (instead give a timecode to skip ahead)
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Pinned comment updated. The power scaling score is correct, I accidentally put the 25W into the Cinebench graph because I was originally going to use a 25W/80W split when making the video but changed it after making that first graph.
There is a sale in Canada on the Intel ultra 9 185 G16 4060 ($2000) vs amd ryzen 9 AI HX 370 G16 4060 ($2700). Concerned with battery life during work and emails and the longevity down the road, hope I made the right choice.
I know I've said it before, but I'll happily say it again. As a massive fan of In Flames, it's so great to see yet another Jesterhead rocking the t-shirts
@JarrodsTech eagerly waiting for that video to drop. While you are at it can also compare built in encoders for both Ai300 and Ultra series 2? I have seen a few comparisons which show that Intel's Quick Sync absolutely destroys AMD In video timeline scrubbing and rendering. So it'll great if you add that into your New Comparison video
excellent review. I was torn between these exact two laptops but opted to go for the AMD. Despite the similar cooling setup, I noticed the AMD one had significantly lower fan noise. Also, the AMD one has a dedicated function lock which for me, was very important.
Excellent work. This is a good way to review gaming laptops: actual efficiency comparisons that include different power limits. Would like to see a little portion added that includes day to day livability, like whats the power draw if you close the lid and leave it overnight.
That the Ryzen iGPU can almost touch 60fps at 1080 high, I assume without upscaling...very impressive. Having said that, that bar chart from Intel showing the HX370 reaching only 30s at medium... EDIT: To clarify, I was referring about Cyberpunk 2077.
Why expecting Lunar Lake on gaming laptop?? Lunar Lake is exclusively for thin and light ultrabook/notebook and it is never meant for gaming or high performance laptops. I guess only Arrow Lake mobile CPU is the only option for gaming laptop from team blue. Edited (Added explanation): Lunar Lake platform is a System-on-Chip (SoC) which consists of CPU+GPU+RAM which is mainly designed for extreme power efficiency and is meant for thin and light Ultrabook. I don't think Lunar Lake will ever be paired with any dedicated GPU, and this makes the upcoming Arrow Lake mobile CPU the only option for gaming laptop. Lunar Lake is meant to compete with other SoC like Apple's M series and Snapdragon Elite, etc.
A lot of people ignored that fact said by Intel itself. But i don't blame them, Intel has been building insane hype over Lunar Lake being a revolution for x86, so people may think the aechitecture is capable of more than thin and light laptops.
@@danielrouw2593 Isn't it smart to compare the latest from Team Blue and Team Red? I'm not a fanboy, but I need to pick between Intel and Mac for productivity (though I'll wait on Apple until I can afford it).
@@danielrouw2593 AMD Ryzen AI series like HX 370 in this video has just been released recently like 2 month ago, and some regions still don't have these laptops yet, so it's indeed quite new. The Meteor Lake laptops have been available pretty much anywhere since the very early 2024. AMD and Intel always stagger their releases making direct year-to-year comparisons tricky... Anyway, my original comment wasn't to say which one of those CPUs in the video is better, but it's strange that people are expecting Lunar Lake on a gaming laptop? With dedicated GPU? I guess it won't ever happend because Lunar Lake platform is a System-on-Chip (SoC) which is designed for extreme power efficiency and is meant for thin and light Ultrabook. I don't think Lunar Lake will ever be paired with any dedicated GPU, and this makes the upcoming Arrow Lake mobile CPUs the only option for gaming laptop.
The review was very informative. You covered not only the comparison of two comparable laptops, you also offered different power levels to simulate different configurations. Thank you.
Same here! And it's a bummer... I'm planning to buy a new machine in the 1st quarter of 2025 and hopefully by then, some AI 9 HX 370 laptops with a 4080 mobile GPU will become available...
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watching this on my ProArt P16 Ryzen 9 HX 370. I do 3D, Video Editing, Motion Graphics and Animation, so far this laptop has been a beast, handling fast data transfer, renders fast, and able to stay cool really well.
One thing that's interesting about Strix Point is the fact that AMD's curve optimiser works on ASUS laptops, both with G-Helper and universal x86 tuning utility, which has given me upwards of 10% better multi-core performance at anything below 60W because it allows the Zen5c cores to hit their max boost clock of 3.3GHz at anything above 45W while the Zen5 cores managed to boost above 4.7GHz all core at 60W+ power limit. This was on the TUF A14, so I'd expect the better cooling of the Zephyrus to perform a bit better than the A14 thanks to lower temps.
@@avetruetocaesar3463 no news about curve shaper or Ryzen Master coming to laptops, but if you happen to buy an ASUS Zen5 laptop, I highly recommend G-helper instead of Armoury Crate and most of the rest of ASUS' bloatware, it controls everything from curve optimiser to CPU and GPU power and GPU OC as well as the fan curve and a bunch of other options while consuming absolutely no resources. And that's already a great start, I got my HX370 to go 4.8GHz+3.3GHz in most workloads while plugged in and reduce total system power consumption below 5W while on battery. Some aspects of the software are clunky, given it's entirely open source, but it's been a great boon so far.
@@rasmussuominen2315 it's a mixed experience. The CPU performance is great, there's no doubt about that. Alone, it can run at 85W without getting too loud if you tune the fans manually. However, the 4060 and gaming use is a mixed experience. Let's just say that if you want to pull the 160W max or so that the laptop will pull without getting thermal throttling, it'll have to get loud. The GPU has managed to overwhelm the heatsink no matter what I've tried. To avoid becoming insane, the best I've been able to do is to create a manual curve with a maximum frequency of 2400MHz at 0.825V where it pulls about 60W, and even then, it's pretty loud if you don't want it to overheat. If you don't mind things getting loud, it can pull up to 100W and run at 2850MHz with an overclock. The memory can also at least 2125MHz. Talking about heat, let's get to annoyances. The fans. They are awful. They're weak. They can't run at less than 3000RPM in my case, which is insane. The response of the fans to applying a curve is also maddening, where there's no way to truly fine tune things. It's pretty much either 3000RPM, or 3800RPM for me, with no in between. The automatic curve will go higher and you can manually set it to 6000RPM+ for the memes or if you don't mind the noise. The small heatsink is clearly not enough. I wish they'd gone with a vapour chamber given the soldered memory and how much the laptop costs. A bit more positive, the IO is decent. The screen is good and snappy. The touch pad is plastic, but it feels good nonetheless. The laptop keyboard is okay if you're not a keyboard elitist. I hate the Copilot button, but whatever, all laptops released in the second half of the year seem to have it. The speakers don't have much base and you don't want to put them to 100% imo, but they're fairly good at about the 50% mark, very clear and without any tinny noise. I haven't tested the webcam and microphone, so no comment on that, I'm sure they're fairly standard and middle of the road. There's one weird quirk, at least with my configuration. Sometimes, when the laptop stays idle for too long, the screen will turn off, but it won't go to proper sleep and it won't turn back on, so you'll need to shut the laptop down forcefully and reboot. It's annoying, but not experience ruining. That's about it. As I said, the experience is mixed, but okay at the end of the day. The CPU is great and efficient, which means you can run it for ages on battery. The 12 cores are good and W11 doesn't seem to have scheduling issues with the fact that it's a dual CCX CPU (the 4 Zen 5 and 8 Zen 5c cores each have their own CCX). The iGPU is also great at video decode and can game, but don't expect AAA titles on high at QHD+ with no upscaling, that's not happening. You can even use curve optimiser on it through third party apps. Speaking of third party apps, G-helper supports the system, so you can use it instead of Armoury Crate if you hate that one. The big disappointments are the cooling and the GPU, especially out of the box. There's no fixing that, sadly. I personally despise the RTX 4060 at this price point. It performs okay, but 8GB of VRAM, a super inefficient out of the box volt frequency curve and the fact that it runs hot are very disappointing. All in all, it's not a slam dunk recommendation, but at this price point, it's probably the best 14" laptop. It's lightweight, it can run on 100W USB-C, it has a USB-4 port, another USB-C port and two USB-A ports. So, do with that what you will. I'm keeping it at least until Strix Halo comes out, I might then resell it depending on how much that costs.
I've been shopping for a gaming laptop with an RTX 4090 and I really wanted the AMD CPU, but Asus G16 series doesn't pair it with a 4090, it's only available with a 4060 or 4070 for some reason, so I've had to order the Intel Core Ultra version which is the only option with the 4090 model, instead. Hoping it'll still give me decent battery life when using the iGPU. It's annoying that Asus didn't bother pairing this AMD CPU with the 4090 as that would have been my ideal configuration.
One thing worth noting on these particular Asus Zephyrus models and when comparing them: not only does the amount of RAM differ, you really should check wether your version has the OLED display or IPS.
I really want to see a comparison between the newer lunar lake cpus whenever they release with these amd ai chips. It's only fair since the gen 1 core ultra chips have been out for a while now.
love these videos for each generation. Only thing I wish could be tossed in for upgrade sake is a cpu from 3 to 5 years ago so people could get a better sense of how much has improved all in 1 video
It's been a while since we've had a CPU comparison. Although the only thing I dislike about either of these is that due to most of its components being internal, upgradeability goes down the drain.
Jesus Christ, the iGPU difference is nuts!!!! Great to see Ryzen has fixed its gaming frame stability in 1% lows this time. Though it's a shame we likely won't see gaming ultrabooks with Lunar Lake. Strix Point might be the thin and light power user champ for 2025 too.
@ehtasam2080not a thing yet but it's in development. Unironically though, Medusa halo is being developed also and should launch around the same time as arrow lake halo expect that Medusa halo is projected to perform around a 5070-5080 mobile so intel Will get crushed
The gap between RDNA 3 and Alchemist is massive. The Arc A770 and RX7600XT are built on the same TSMC 6nm node, they have roughly the same performance, but here is the catch: the A770 uses 400mm^2 silicon while the RX7600XT uses only half of that at 200mm^2.
Interested to see if we can get similar configurations with Lunar Lake as you've done with Meteor Lake and Strix so that could be an upcoming video as well.
Lunar like well only have four pcie lens going to the graphics card and the other four will go to the nvme drive so it will not be available in any gaming laptop because it cannot support a dedicated GPU
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br ? Well there are dGPU-less Strix laptops like Zenbook S16 or the Vivobook S14. The difficult part is getting similar laptop configurations for both SoCs
Why compares battery life in video playback only? Mix workloads would be better or at least office works and web browsing (with a lot of auto-play video ads 😅).
Jarrod, I've watched PC reviews for decades, you're truly one of the best. Really appreciate your in depth reviews and super technical insight. Blown away!
I remember last year even the amd 7000 series with 780m igpu, it's already toe to toe, if not slightly ahead than intel ultra series, not to mention the newer "AI" cpu
Well done, deep dive comparison/face off, thx! These comparison vids have BIG importance and should be KEY feature of your channel. Sometimes your vids contain too much info and details which can be overwhelming, but viewers can still pause the vid and continue watching later. Still u r basically replacing even deeper dives done by written reviews on Anandtech (R.I.P.) or Tom's HW sites, good job!
@@JarrodsTech Why tho? They don't compete with each other. A more sensible comparison would be either LNL against Kraken, or Strix Point against Arrow Lake H, when they are released of course.
@@antalpoti???? What is this logic. This is their best current so obviously that's what should be compared. With your logic, when Intel releases it's new igpu, i can just say "that's a bad comparison, you should do it vs (insert even future unreleased amd igpu that will obviously be better)"
The 680m and 780m are such a blessing for mobile gamers. The iris XE is 4 years old, and is the successor to the *shudders Intel UHD. I'm so happy we could move on from that.
All that is great but I was happy with the performance of my CPU for like 5 generations. All I want is more efficiency and it could increase way further, especially in the mobile GPU range. I currently have an Ultra 9 185HX and Im pretty happy, tho that is 99% due to the almost perfect Yoga pro 9i.
This seems to be a bit strange period for this test as in a 2 days we'll see Lunar Lake and in october 10th Intel will launch Arrow Lake, with laptops available maybe one month later or so.
LL doesn't compete with these and won't be in gaming laptops. Fact is ASUS sells these laptops with these chips today, and I guess 100k other people wanted to know the difference still :)
ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 Laptop - 16" WQXGA OLED 240Hz -Intel Core Ultra 9 185H - RTX 4080 (115W) - 32GB RAM - Can I game in ultra/high settings for the next 3 years?
Looking at the gaming performance of AMD's iGPU, I'm interested in comparing the gaming performance with 80W CPU+iGPU with a 35W power limited CPU + 45W dGPU (if limiting the dGPU's power that low is even possible).
A 45W 3050 will still be 15% better on average due to much greater memory bandwidth. AMD iGPUs can never beat modern dGPUs unless they solve the memory bandwidth issue by adding infinity cache. AMD's best iGPU still can't beat their worst dGPU (of same generation).
185H is Meteor Lake-H which was released in December 2023. HX 370 is Strix Point which was released in July 2024. Lunar Lake (288V-226V) was released in September 2024. Why are you using the previous gen and where's Lunar Lake CPU testing? I thought this was Strix Point vs Lunar Lake. You should have a very clear explanation of this right at the beginning.
I'm really disappointed with the laptop market right now. I'd love to see a laptop with an HX 370 + 4080/4090 GPU. If you want battery life and efficiency, you would be able to use Nvidia Optimus to disable the dGPU and just run on the iGPU. If you want raw power, you would be able to reenable the dGPU. Is there some reason this can't be accomplished?
Superb video considering I'm just about to make a decision between these 2 cpu's (hx370 vs 185h), so thanks for this! As always, an objective and honest review, thank you again!
AMD keeping SMT on the E-cores was a brilliant move. Edit: this is a reply to people under who think different "marketing" architecture names actually mean different actual micro architectures. Learn to read kids!
@@MusaM8 Isn't that not 'efficiency'? Just because they are only gimped in clock speeds and L3 cache, rather than features, clock speeds and cache. The HX470 efficiency cores has half the L3 cache and is shared with 50% more cores over their P- cores
@@Dazzxpit’s probably better to refer to them as compact cores rather than efficiency cores because these share the same architecture. It’s something Intel can’t say the same with.
The new Ryzen CPU is so good, but also so expensive. A bottom spec TUF A14 is 571 dollars cheaper than a top spec one where I live. I cheaped out, and honestly, the Ryzen 7 8845HS is plenty for me.
Arrow Lake will be the appropriate Zen 5 competitor, especially for gamers. Lunar Lake is for thin and light ultrabooks mainly without dGPUs and its focus is efficiency as expressed by strong performance but also excellent battery life, fan noise & thermals.
Hello! I am buying a laptop this week and have basically this exact choice to make. Identical laptops except for the CPU. Both laptops have RTX 4070, 32 gb RAM, 1 tb SSD, etc. I plan to use it for work, mostly heavy Excel use and other data analysis programs, which have typically lagged or crashed on laptops with i7 processors and 16 gb RAM and no GPU. Is the AMD going to be worth an extra $300 it would cost to upgrade over the Ultra 9?
I won't buy a high end laptop because it will be obsolete in the next few years. I'll wait for next year to see which CPU is quite performant and affordable and also no flaws.
I couldn't find any information of release date of next generation amd laptops(9000th series). Do you have any idea when new amd laptops will be released?Cuz i dont wanna go with intel 14th gen or ryzen 7000th
The power efficiency did you check wattages at the wall or just the change to each wattage in BIOS? Anandtech have a test with desktop cpus, 7950x set @ 105watt draw the same power as 13900k set @ 125w at the wall for example, Intel still get beat though :D
Please do the gaming tests in Windows 10 & Disable Core Isolation. Microsoft has been playing favorites recently, with at least with the more than 8 core CPUs on new AMD CPU`s - the performance differences are tangible....
Hi, thanks so much for the testing, very detailed and comprehensive I would like some of your opinions on choosing laptop for me, I recently found a Mechrev 13900hx + 4080 laptop with a similar but slightly higher price to ASUS Tianxuan AI 9 HX 370 + 4070, I am a 3D and graphic designer. I mainly use PS and other Adobe series, Stable Diffusion and Blender, and occasionally Unity and Unreal. Which of the aforementioned better fits my task? (edit: I have zero gaming demand on this laptop, if I do, I'll do it on my desktop; that's one of my concerns that the 4080 laptop is an overkill)
I don't know those laptops, but in games 4080 is 55% fater than 4070 in games, so for 3D apps the extra power is probably beneficial, but also check which screen is better for having nice colors/brightness.
@@JarrodsTech@JarrodsTech Well, the second in my comparison is basically very similar to what you have tested in the video, and it looks very impressive; the question is more about whether the 13900hx + 4080 combination has superior performance for my tasks. Have you ever done any benchmark testing on other laptops with 13900hx + 4080 spec previously? How did they perform in PS and other Adobe series?
Love your benchmark at different power levels. I do the same in the few laptops i can tests and really give a clear picture of the true performance at lower power limits :)
I own a lenovo yoga 9i with 185h processor. Almost perfect device, but unfortunately I need to connect it to two 4k displays. While connected, 4k video decoding on youtube spikes igpu to 100% and around 40-50% frames are dropped. Without external monitors being connected no video decoding issues, perfect playback. Upd: solved it by tuning chrome media flags
Thanks for the vid. What about drivers, support and compatibility? Things like high load on data transfer with a USB C/thunderbolt 4 to Ethernet dongle. OC potential at the higher end of stable. Utilization of other components like RAM, Storage, GPU with different CPUs when they are under multiple loads.
Hi Jarrod, I am going for a laptop, but am a bit confused between Lenovo legion 7i 4070 GPU and Acer Predator helios 16 4080 GPU. Can you suggest which one shall I go with.
Hey can you do a cpu overall overview? between intel and amd for all laptops? I built a desktop in 2020 and stuck with AMD and loving it but now i'm looking for a gaming laptop. Portability is not really the biggest factor for me, i want something that can perform somewhat like a 3080TI desktop but i can take when i travel but again protability is not the biggest issue for me, just the ability to take on a flight and then itll be resting for a few weeks on a desk.
200V review embargo doesn't lift until Monday. And 200H launch date is unknown but sometime between October and January. It'll be exciting to see the rematch when these launch, but 200 isn't available today.
Yes - Lunar Lake / Arrow Lake will need an updated comparison. Another question - do you think it is worth comparing the Snapdragon X? It's clear that AMD has a generational lead in these tests, as they released their CPUs a bit earlier.
Waiting on your Lenovo Legion Pro 7i (2024) Review with the 4090. I feel as if you have compared almost all other comparable laptop in that range. Would be interesting to see how it holds up.
Expect significantly lower single core and multi-core benchmarks with Lunar Lake compared to Ryzen HX 370. Gaming should be be competitive, however, and battery life even better on Lunar.
Why on Earth would you waste time testing (and comparing against AMD's latest high-end mobile CPU) a Meteor Lake laptop when Lunar Lake is out, with supposedly significant improvements, especially on iGPU?
Thanks for all the testing. I'm looking to most likely replace my aging Zephyrus with a G16 soon. I'm still hesitant about the OLED screen though. I hate the idea of my pixels degrading as I use it... I usually keep my laptops at least 5 years.
I have a LG C2 oled TV as my main monitor for two years now. Have not seen any ghosting or issues so far. I only do pixel cleaning once a week. The image is gorgeous with HDR on. I would not worry about that if I were to buy one now. Cheers!
Is the intel ultra 9 185h a safer option than i9-13900hx? I'm planning to buy a laptop so I would appreciate your help on this. Amd powered laptops are not many where I'm from so I might have to settle for intel
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Corrections:
In the Cinebench graph at 3:20 the 25W value for AMD was used instead of the 35W value, as seen earlier in the power scaling graph. This is because I was originally going to do the video at 25W and 80W but found out that wasn't possible later and went to 35W instead. This only happened in Cinebench when I was getting initial results and realized I couldn't sustain the AMD laptop at 25W indefinitely with only the ASUS software.
Sir please do a Versus comparision
G16 Amd vs lenovo legion 7i
Also value for price please❤
The wrong CPU is one that is ARM based
This is a fantastic video, THANK YOU!
If you can, consider comparing Nvidia and AMD GPUs. Would love to see the performance difference
Sir, I saw your video on if you find a good deal go for it so I have bought a HP omen 16 gaming laptop with an rtx 4050(120 watt) and i5-13420H and 16 GB of ddr5 ram for only $550 on microcenter. You think it's a good deal?
Naming schemes aside, AMD is doing exactly what I want to see in the mobile CPU space - a higher performance CPU with great efficiency, iGPU performance, great battery life and great power scaling at lower CPU wattages.
I'm just glad there's more improvement compared to what Zen 5 offers on the desktop side!
@@JarrodsTechDesktop CPUs having a Zen 5% moment. 😂
AMD won't get cut through even with clearly better CPUs if Intel are desperate enough to cut prices and continue doing deals. I've hardly ever seen an AMD laptop on sale ever. The all AMD alienware M18 (7945hx/7900M) is probably the best I've seen but that was such a short run I blinked and missed it 😢
@@greebj depends on where you live i guess and the store offering the sale. In Canada, they go on sale every couple of weeks lol
Intel is inferior, hence much cheaper .. m
This guy's review are so much detailed yet easy to understand. He also is not biased. I would 100% trust his videos to buy a laptop. Can't imagine how much time and efforts it takes to make videos these detailed.
I totally agreed. 3 years ago I watched so many Jerrod 's videos before buying 2 Legion Pro 5 and 1 5 Slim for my family. I am still very satisfied with the purchase. Th details of his tests are simply unrivaled. Thank you Jerrod.
I am blown away by AMD's processor integrated graphics.
I was an Intel user for over 12 years, and I switched to the AMD platform in recent years, which is faster, cooler, and longer in either AMD's CPU or mobiles.
Don't forget 12 hrs of youtube
@@clarkisaac6372AMD is longer?
Only took them 2 decades after buying ATI to finally make good APU's lmao
@@GewelReal Talking about the battery-life perhaps
It's so rare to get a complete apples to apples comparison like this with the exact same model of laptop, this is awesome, thank you!
thanks
I dont have money to buy this kind of a device but still decided to watch😪😂.
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@@snake2106 i am Greek. 😎
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Finally, Jarrod appeared with most anticipated comparison, thank you sir.
No problem!
Beware!! He compared latest AMD chips with last year's intel chips.
@@SitWithAnkitWhat should he have compared it with then?
@@danal8246theres literally an intel launch in like 5 days. arrow lake i believe? theyll need to redo this video
@@danal8246 Waited for a week for fair comparison?
Do you want him to compare latest ryzen with core 2 duo next time?
With Lunar Lake releasing in 4 days, it would be really interesting to see the comparison between the 288V/268V vs the HX 370/365 :)
I don’t think it will compete for the reasons covered in the lunar lake timestamp, but I am working on an iGPU comparison with it now
I heard intel desinged lunar like that it can not be paired with a dgpu. So its impossible to use them for gaming laptops only very small devices. The lower arrow lake will probably go into the new zephyrus next year.
@@Smiles216 Correct. Lunar Lake only puts out 8 PCIe lanes, four of these are Gen 5, and the other four are Gen 4. So , 4 lanes for the dGPU, another 4 for NVME storage . No way that dGPU can run optimally on 4 PCIe lanes.. Lunar Lake is a replacement for Intel 'U' series CPU . H and HS series will be replaced with Arrow Lake mobile.
8 cores, no hyper threading, it would get stomped.
For gaming laptops, arrow lake is going to be used instead of lunar lake. Coming probably in October
Nice work on the comparison, but I noticed a bit of a mistake where the AMD CPU was compared at 25W against the Intel CPU at 35W. You’ve got the AMD CPU scoring 881 at 25W and 1041 at 35W around 2:32, but then at 3:20, it’s shown as 881 at 35W, which is off. This mix-up could affect your other points about efficiency and value, so it might be worth a quick correction.
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Can I game in ultra/high settings for the next 3 years?
I have noticed it too.
@@YTech_xp 1080p: definitely. 1440p: sure. 4k: maybe not ultra high after 4 years.
The intel model has an issue where it is unable to switch back to the integrated graphics unless you restart. I purchased 3 intel G16s, all new, and had the same issue. I tried all software fixes you can think of and the issue was only consistent with the USA intel model. In the end, i paid more and got the AMD version and its been excellent.
I have an AMD laptop with the same issue, it'll switch to the iGPU when disconnected from power but the dGPU will remain on until restart (and will turn on after next restart even if still on battery). The only workaround I found was using hibernate, which registers as a restart for the machine, but doesn't lose work.
@@HunterTracks What if you set power profile to whisper only for it to use iGPU, does it keep the dGPU disabled/powered off until you manually change to optimized power profile?
TH-cam is planning to start running ads while paused so maybe don’t speed through graphs and tell the viewer to pause in the future (instead give a timecode to skip ahead)
use adblocker xd or buy youtube premium
@@RubyKaneki oh, I already do both, but this is more an ask for the less tech savvy in the audience
Let them eat the ad, we need time stamps
2:43 hx370 35W TDP 1041 score
3:25 hx370 35W TDP 881 score
there a mistake???
Seems likely
I saw the same . Also 2:43 Intel needed 60W to match AMD at 30W.
also the performance per watt 4:02 on 35W hx370 should wrong.
ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 Laptop - 16" WQXGA OLED 240Hz -Intel Core Ultra 9 185H - RTX 4080 (115W) - 32GB RAM -
Can I game in ultra/high settings for the next 3 years?
Pinned comment updated. The power scaling score is correct, I accidentally put the 25W into the Cinebench graph because I was originally going to use a 25W/80W split when making the video but changed it after making that first graph.
I'm proud of you Jarrod.
Been here since the beginning where I was a bit hard on you. You took it in stride and that's why I will never unsubscribe.
There is a sale in Canada on the Intel ultra 9 185 G16 4060 ($2000) vs amd ryzen 9 AI HX 370 G16 4060 ($2700). Concerned with battery life during work and emails and the longevity down the road, hope I made the right choice.
I know I've said it before, but I'll happily say it again. As a massive fan of In Flames, it's so great to see yet another Jesterhead rocking the t-shirts
I can't wait for core ultra serie 2 vs AI 300 series. This will be an anime battle🔥🔥
I'm working on an iGPU comparison between those now!
@JarrodsTech eagerly waiting for that video to drop. While you are at it can also compare built in encoders for both Ai300 and Ultra series 2? I have seen a few comparisons which show that Intel's Quick Sync absolutely destroys AMD In video timeline scrubbing and rendering. So it'll great if you add that into your New Comparison video
@ehtasam2080 that's what i want jarred to test in depth in his upcoming review of both of these new processors..
@@JarrodsTech can't wait for the best cpu battles in a long time. ♥️
Ultra 7 against anything is not an anime battle but a Tokusatsu battle ;-)
excellent review. I was torn between these exact two laptops but opted to go for the AMD. Despite the similar cooling setup, I noticed the AMD one had significantly lower fan noise. Also, the AMD one has a dedicated function lock which for me, was very important.
Just use g helper for a function lock
Excellent work. This is a good way to review gaming laptops: actual efficiency comparisons that include different power limits.
Would like to see a little portion added that includes day to day livability, like whats the power draw if you close the lid and leave it overnight.
That the Ryzen iGPU can almost touch 60fps at 1080 high, I assume without upscaling...very impressive. Having said that, that bar chart from Intel showing the HX370 reaching only 30s at medium...
EDIT: To clarify, I was referring about Cyberpunk 2077.
Why expecting Lunar Lake on gaming laptop?? Lunar Lake is exclusively for thin and light ultrabook/notebook and it is never meant for gaming or high performance laptops. I guess only Arrow Lake mobile CPU is the only option for gaming laptop from team blue.
Edited (Added explanation): Lunar Lake platform is a System-on-Chip (SoC) which consists of CPU+GPU+RAM which is mainly designed for extreme power efficiency and is meant for thin and light Ultrabook. I don't think Lunar Lake will ever be paired with any dedicated GPU, and this makes the upcoming Arrow Lake mobile CPU the only option for gaming laptop. Lunar Lake is meant to compete with other SoC like Apple's M series and Snapdragon Elite, etc.
A lot of people ignored that fact said by Intel itself. But i don't blame them, Intel has been building insane hype over Lunar Lake being a revolution for x86, so people may think the aechitecture is capable of more than thin and light laptops.
@@danielrouw2593 Wait for intel's latest processors which launched recently.
@@danielrouw2593 Isn't it smart to compare the latest from Team Blue and Team Red? I'm not a fanboy, but I need to pick between Intel and Mac for productivity (though I'll wait on Apple until I can afford it).
@@danielrouw2593 AMD Ryzen AI series like HX 370 in this video has just been released recently like 2 month ago, and some regions still don't have these laptops yet, so it's indeed quite new. The Meteor Lake laptops have been available pretty much anywhere since the very early 2024. AMD and Intel always stagger their releases making direct year-to-year comparisons tricky... Anyway, my original comment wasn't to say which one of those CPUs in the video is better, but it's strange that people are expecting Lunar Lake on a gaming laptop? With dedicated GPU? I guess it won't ever happend because Lunar Lake platform is a System-on-Chip (SoC) which is designed for extreme power efficiency and is meant for thin and light Ultrabook. I don't think Lunar Lake will ever be paired with any dedicated GPU, and this makes the upcoming Arrow Lake mobile CPUs the only option for gaming laptop.
Doesn’t lunar lake’s existence imply that arrowlake mobile is going to be crap for battery life?
Thank you for your efforts. I'll be on the market for a laptop in the next 60 days and your videos have been helpful in my research.
The review was very informative. You covered not only the comparison of two comparable laptops, you also offered different power levels to simulate different configurations.
Thank you.
I REALLY wish they offered the AMD flavor with a 4080 mobile.... only the Intel options have it.
exactly, I have the same complaint
Same here! And it's a bummer... I'm planning to buy a new machine in the 1st quarter of 2025 and hopefully by then, some AI 9 HX 370 laptops with a 4080 mobile GPU will become available...
09:30 I think you accidently gave the Intel CPU the frames of AMDs CPU @1080p in this chart.
ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 Laptop - 16" WQXGA OLED 240Hz -Intel Core Ultra 9 185H - RTX 4080 (115W) - 32GB RAM -
Can I game in ultra/high settings for the next 3 years?
@@YTech_xp yes
@@Oneath but the rtx 4080 tgp is only 115W, not 175
@@YTech_xp well high settings + DLSS Quality without RT should be working just fine in every game so far...
watching this on my ProArt P16 Ryzen 9 HX 370. I do 3D, Video Editing, Motion Graphics and Animation, so far this laptop has been a beast, handling fast data transfer, renders fast, and able to stay cool really well.
Nice!
One thing that's interesting about Strix Point is the fact that AMD's curve optimiser works on ASUS laptops, both with G-Helper and universal x86 tuning utility, which has given me upwards of 10% better multi-core performance at anything below 60W because it allows the Zen5c cores to hit their max boost clock of 3.3GHz at anything above 45W while the Zen5 cores managed to boost above 4.7GHz all core at 60W+ power limit.
This was on the TUF A14, so I'd expect the better cooling of the Zephyrus to perform a bit better than the A14 thanks to lower temps.
Good of you to share this knowledge, thanks. How about the curve shaper? And does Ryzen Master finally work on laptops?
@@avetruetocaesar3463 no news about curve shaper or Ryzen Master coming to laptops, but if you happen to buy an ASUS Zen5 laptop, I highly recommend G-helper instead of Armoury Crate and most of the rest of ASUS' bloatware, it controls everything from curve optimiser to CPU and GPU power and GPU OC as well as the fan curve and a bunch of other options while consuming absolutely no resources. And that's already a great start, I got my HX370 to go 4.8GHz+3.3GHz in most workloads while plugged in and reduce total system power consumption below 5W while on battery. Some aspects of the software are clunky, given it's entirely open source, but it's been a great boon so far.
@@avetruetocaesar3463 sadly, no for both last time I looked into it.
How are you finding the TUF A14? I've been thinking of buying it and would love to hear how people who own it would rate the laptop.
@@rasmussuominen2315 it's a mixed experience. The CPU performance is great, there's no doubt about that.
Alone, it can run at 85W without getting too loud if you tune the fans manually. However, the 4060 and gaming use is a mixed experience.
Let's just say that if you want to pull the 160W max or so that the laptop will pull without getting thermal throttling, it'll have to get loud. The GPU has managed to overwhelm the heatsink no matter what I've tried. To avoid becoming insane, the best I've been able to do is to create a manual curve with a maximum frequency of 2400MHz at 0.825V where it pulls about 60W, and even then, it's pretty loud if you don't want it to overheat. If you don't mind things getting loud, it can pull up to 100W and run at 2850MHz with an overclock. The memory can also at least 2125MHz.
Talking about heat, let's get to annoyances. The fans. They are awful. They're weak. They can't run at less than 3000RPM in my case, which is insane. The response of the fans to applying a curve is also maddening, where there's no way to truly fine tune things. It's pretty much either 3000RPM, or 3800RPM for me, with no in between. The automatic curve will go higher and you can manually set it to 6000RPM+ for the memes or if you don't mind the noise. The small heatsink is clearly not enough. I wish they'd gone with a vapour chamber given the soldered memory and how much the laptop costs.
A bit more positive, the IO is decent. The screen is good and snappy. The touch pad is plastic, but it feels good nonetheless. The laptop keyboard is okay if you're not a keyboard elitist. I hate the Copilot button, but whatever, all laptops released in the second half of the year seem to have it. The speakers don't have much base and you don't want to put them to 100% imo, but they're fairly good at about the 50% mark, very clear and without any tinny noise. I haven't tested the webcam and microphone, so no comment on that, I'm sure they're fairly standard and middle of the road.
There's one weird quirk, at least with my configuration. Sometimes, when the laptop stays idle for too long, the screen will turn off, but it won't go to proper sleep and it won't turn back on, so you'll need to shut the laptop down forcefully and reboot. It's annoying, but not experience ruining.
That's about it. As I said, the experience is mixed, but okay at the end of the day. The CPU is great and efficient, which means you can run it for ages on battery. The 12 cores are good and W11 doesn't seem to have scheduling issues with the fact that it's a dual CCX CPU (the 4 Zen 5 and 8 Zen 5c cores each have their own CCX). The iGPU is also great at video decode and can game, but don't expect AAA titles on high at QHD+ with no upscaling, that's not happening. You can even use curve optimiser on it through third party apps. Speaking of third party apps, G-helper supports the system, so you can use it instead of Armoury Crate if you hate that one.
The big disappointments are the cooling and the GPU, especially out of the box. There's no fixing that, sadly. I personally despise the RTX 4060 at this price point. It performs okay, but 8GB of VRAM, a super inefficient out of the box volt frequency curve and the fact that it runs hot are very disappointing.
All in all, it's not a slam dunk recommendation, but at this price point, it's probably the best 14" laptop. It's lightweight, it can run on 100W USB-C, it has a USB-4 port, another USB-C port and two USB-A ports. So, do with that what you will. I'm keeping it at least until Strix Halo comes out, I might then resell it depending on how much that costs.
I've been shopping for a gaming laptop with an RTX 4090 and I really wanted the AMD CPU, but Asus G16 series doesn't pair it with a 4090, it's only available with a 4060 or 4070 for some reason, so I've had to order the Intel Core Ultra version which is the only option with the 4090 model, instead. Hoping it'll still give me decent battery life when using the iGPU. It's annoying that Asus didn't bother pairing this AMD CPU with the 4090 as that would have been my ideal configuration.
One thing worth noting on these particular Asus Zephyrus models and when comparing them: not only does the amount of RAM differ, you really should check wether your version has the OLED display or IPS.
I really want to see a comparison between the newer lunar lake cpus whenever they release with these amd ai chips.
It's only fair since the gen 1 core ultra chips have been out for a while now.
Idk why but your reviews & Comparison videos are entertaining and worthy of being watched while eating food
Thanks :D
thanks lol, its more interesting to read reviews afterwards, so you get the idea how they sound
i will on more suitable channel/topic
Yay great testing Jarrod.
I just love the HX370. But I'm really looking forward to the Core Ultra 2 Series aswell :D
Also 2:43 Intel needed 60W to match AMD at 30W.
3:25 AMD AI370 @ 35W 881 score which is lower than 2:43 .
Working on that now :)
@@vmafarah9473 The Core Ultra 200 just a way more efficiently than
@@alderlake12th . Also 2:43 Intel needed 60W to match AMD at 30W. The comparison on 3:25 was a mistake.
@@vmafarah9473 The 200V is way efficiently than the 100H
200V can't match hx370 cause the core count
love these videos for each generation. Only thing I wish could be tossed in for upgrade sake is a cpu from 3 to 5 years ago so people could get a better sense of how much has improved all in 1 video
@4:39, they use different fans between AMD and Intel
Incredible depth, thanks!
It's been a while since we've had a CPU comparison. Although the only thing I dislike about either of these is that due to most of its components being internal, upgradeability goes down the drain.
There hasn't been much to compare with the main gaming laptop processors just being rebrands of 2023 models :) probably a lot more next year.
@@JarrodsTech hopefully a lot more next year. Still thanks for the comparison. Good reference for the future.
@joelconolly5574, u can buy a laptop w.o dGPU and connect iGPU via Oculink (PCI-E 4.0 x4)
This is an amazing video! Thank you for doing this and going into all the details. I will sub!
Isn't the core ultra 2xx series coming out next month, I think that would be the better comparison between the 2 I'll be looking out for that.
Jesus Christ, the iGPU difference is nuts!!!! Great to see Ryzen has fixed its gaming frame stability in 1% lows this time. Though it's a shame we likely won't see gaming ultrabooks with Lunar Lake. Strix Point might be the thin and light power user champ for 2025 too.
Strix Halo's iGPU with 256bit memory bus will run circles around Intel mobile CPUs in iGPU test.
@ehtasam2080not a thing yet but it's in development. Unironically though, Medusa halo is being developed also and should launch around the same time as arrow lake halo expect that Medusa halo is projected to perform around a 5070-5080 mobile so intel Will get crushed
The gap between RDNA 3 and Alchemist is massive. The Arc A770 and RX7600XT are built on the same TSMC 6nm node, they have roughly the same performance, but here is the catch: the A770 uses 400mm^2 silicon while the RX7600XT uses only half of that at 200mm^2.
@ehtasam2080 the 4060 uses a denser process node, not a good comparison
MATLAB uses Intel MKL libraries by default, did you change to AOCL amd libraries before running your tests?
So that's why you tested the 4070 version of the Intel laptop. Amazing job!
I always get excited whenever you drop a new video. Interesting and a very good review.
Interested to see if we can get similar configurations with Lunar Lake as you've done with Meteor Lake and Strix so that could be an upcoming video as well.
Lunar like well only have four pcie lens going to the graphics card and the other four will go to the nvme drive so it will not be available in any gaming laptop because it cannot support a dedicated GPU
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br ? Well there are dGPU-less Strix laptops like Zenbook S16 or the Vivobook S14. The difficult part is getting similar laptop configurations for both SoCs
Why compares battery life in video playback only? Mix workloads would be better or at least office works and web browsing (with a lot of auto-play video ads 😅).
Because it's easy to replicate and what we have data for 200+ laptops at jarrods.tech/list-of-laptop-battery-life/
Jarrod, I've watched PC reviews for decades, you're truly one of the best. Really appreciate your in depth reviews and super technical insight.
Blown away!
Thanks!
You can actually get FPS in Civ6... the graphics test gives you a frame time, then you can do some math to convert that to FPS.
FPS tests in Civ6 are irrelevant. Both of these laptops will get enough. What matters more is AI turn time.
I remember last year even the amd 7000 series with 780m igpu, it's already toe to toe, if not slightly ahead than intel ultra series, not to mention the newer "AI" cpu
Well done, deep dive comparison/face off, thx! These comparison vids have BIG importance and should be KEY feature of your channel. Sometimes your vids contain too much info and details which can be overwhelming, but viewers can still pause the vid and continue watching later. Still u r basically replacing even deeper dives done by written reviews on Anandtech (R.I.P.) or Tom's HW sites, good job!
A huge plus is that Intel's iGPU is finally able to compete with AMD's, which is a huge improvement over the old Iris Xe iGPUs.
I'm working on an iGPU comparison between Lunar Lake and this AMD chip now so we'll see :)
@@JarrodsTech Why tho? They don't compete with each other. A more sensible comparison would be either LNL against Kraken, or Strix Point against Arrow Lake H, when they are released of course.
@@antalpoti yeah no, we'll test things that are out now rather than waiting for future.
@@antalpoti???? What is this logic. This is their best current so obviously that's what should be compared. With your logic, when Intel releases it's new igpu, i can just say "that's a bad comparison, you should do it vs (insert even future unreleased amd igpu that will obviously be better)"
The 680m and 780m are such a blessing for mobile gamers. The iris XE is 4 years old, and is the successor to the *shudders Intel UHD.
I'm so happy we could move on from that.
🙏 thanks for your efforts man
All that is great but I was happy with the performance of my CPU for like 5 generations. All I want is more efficiency and it could increase way further, especially in the mobile GPU range. I currently have an Ultra 9 185HX and Im pretty happy, tho that is 99% due to the almost perfect Yoga pro 9i.
I happen to be getting a new laptop, but it's got the 8945HS. Still a great chip from what I've heard
Yeah it's pretty good
Jarrod does the best comparisons out of any other channel
This seems to be a bit strange period for this test as in a 2 days we'll see Lunar Lake and in october 10th Intel will launch Arrow Lake, with laptops available maybe one month later or so.
LL doesn't compete with these and won't be in gaming laptops. Fact is ASUS sells these laptops with these chips today, and I guess 100k other people wanted to know the difference still :)
Just what I was wondering! Thank you!
very detailed review especially the power scaling figure is very informative
ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 Laptop - 16" WQXGA OLED 240Hz -Intel Core Ultra 9 185H - RTX 4080 (115W) - 32GB RAM -
Can I game in ultra/high settings for the next 3 years?
Looking at the gaming performance of AMD's iGPU, I'm interested in comparing the gaming performance with 80W CPU+iGPU with a 35W power limited CPU + 45W dGPU (if limiting the dGPU's power that low is even possible).
A 45W 3050 will still be 15% better on average due to much greater memory bandwidth. AMD iGPUs can never beat modern dGPUs unless they solve the memory bandwidth issue by adding infinity cache.
AMD's best iGPU still can't beat their worst dGPU (of same generation).
2:43 hx370 35W TDP 1041 score
3:25 hx370 35W TDP 881 score
there a mistake???
2:55 45w to 80w has minimal difference so all these times we're just wasting energy?????
185H is Meteor Lake-H which was released in December 2023. HX 370 is Strix Point which was released in July 2024. Lunar Lake (288V-226V) was released in September 2024. Why are you using the previous gen and where's Lunar Lake CPU testing? I thought this was Strix Point vs Lunar Lake. You should have a very clear explanation of this right at the beginning.
EXACTLY the review I was looking for! Danke!
thanks2
I'm really disappointed with the laptop market right now. I'd love to see a laptop with an HX 370 + 4080/4090 GPU. If you want battery life and efficiency, you would be able to use Nvidia Optimus to disable the dGPU and just run on the iGPU. If you want raw power, you would be able to reenable the dGPU. Is there some reason this can't be accomplished?
My considerations, too, exactly! Why no HX 370 powered laptops with 4080 GPUs are available? It's quite puzzling and troubling...
Superb video considering I'm just about to make a decision between these 2 cpu's (hx370 vs 185h), so thanks for this! As always, an objective and honest review, thank you again!
Best time to buy these would be later in the year, especially Christmas time
AMD keeping SMT on the E-cores was a brilliant move.
Edit: this is a reply to people under who think different "marketing" architecture names actually mean different actual micro architectures. Learn to read kids!
They aren't E-cores, they just can't clock as high.
@@MusaM8 Isn't that not 'efficiency'? Just because they are only gimped in clock speeds and L3 cache, rather than features, clock speeds and cache.
The HX470 efficiency cores has half the L3 cache and is shared with 50% more cores over their P- cores
I love it when AMD keeps Shin Megami Tensei
@@Dazzxpit’s probably better to refer to them as compact cores rather than efficiency cores because these share the same architecture. It’s something Intel can’t say the same with.
they are not e cores,they are cores with low area that have better performance at low power but saturate when feeding high power->better power density
THANK YOU!
Much appreciation for this one.
Thanks so much for this detailed analysis.
a very nice comparaison , Thx 👍
Wonder if Ryzen AI HX processors will make it to the G14. They put it in the TUF A14 but that variant isn't available in Canada :(
The new Ryzen CPU is so good, but also so expensive. A bottom spec TUF A14 is 571 dollars cheaper than a top spec one where I live. I cheaped out, and honestly, the Ryzen 7 8845HS is plenty for me.
new laptops are always expensive. give it another 6 months for prices to come down :)
Arrow Lake will be the appropriate Zen 5 competitor, especially for gamers. Lunar Lake is for thin and light ultrabooks mainly without dGPUs and its focus is efficiency as expressed by strong performance but also excellent battery life, fan noise & thermals.
Hello! I am buying a laptop this week and have basically this exact choice to make. Identical laptops except for the CPU. Both laptops have RTX 4070, 32 gb RAM, 1 tb SSD, etc. I plan to use it for work, mostly heavy Excel use and other data analysis programs, which have typically lagged or crashed on laptops with i7 processors and 16 gb RAM and no GPU. Is the AMD going to be worth an extra $300 it would cost to upgrade over the Ultra 9?
I won't buy a high end laptop because it will be obsolete in the next few years. I'll wait for next year to see which CPU is quite performant and affordable and also no flaws.
At last; an apples to apples test ==> essentially the same laptop with different CPU's. Great stuff !!
I couldn't find any information of release date of next generation amd laptops(9000th series). Do you have any idea when new amd laptops will be released?Cuz i dont wanna go with intel 14th gen or ryzen 7000th
The power efficiency did you check wattages at the wall or just the change to each wattage in BIOS? Anandtech have a test with desktop cpus, 7950x set @ 105watt draw the same power as 13900k set @ 125w at the wall for example, Intel still get beat though :D
Fantastic job 👏🏻 Amazing review 👌🏻Keep up the good work, you are on the spot with everything
It is soon time for you to do another similar video as Lunar Lake will be available next week. I can't wait for that comparison.
Please do the gaming tests in Windows 10 & Disable Core Isolation. Microsoft has been playing favorites recently, with at least with the more than 8 core CPUs on new AMD CPU`s - the performance differences are tangible....
Very nice comparison. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Hi, thanks so much for the testing, very detailed and comprehensive
I would like some of your opinions on choosing laptop for me,
I recently found a Mechrev 13900hx + 4080 laptop with a similar but slightly higher price to ASUS Tianxuan AI 9 HX 370 + 4070,
I am a 3D and graphic designer. I mainly use PS and other Adobe series, Stable Diffusion and Blender, and occasionally Unity and Unreal. Which of the aforementioned better fits my task?
(edit: I have zero gaming demand on this laptop, if I do, I'll do it on my desktop; that's one of my concerns that the 4080 laptop is an overkill)
I don't know those laptops, but in games 4080 is 55% fater than 4070 in games, so for 3D apps the extra power is probably beneficial, but also check which screen is better for having nice colors/brightness.
@@JarrodsTech@JarrodsTech Well, the second in my comparison is basically very similar to what you have tested in the video, and it looks very impressive; the question is more about whether the 13900hx + 4080 combination has superior performance for my tasks. Have you ever done any benchmark testing on other laptops with 13900hx + 4080 spec previously? How did they perform in PS and other Adobe series?
Love your benchmark at different power levels. I do the same in the few laptops i can tests and really give a clear picture of the true performance at lower power limits :)
I own a lenovo yoga 9i with 185h processor. Almost perfect device, but unfortunately I need to connect it to two 4k displays. While connected, 4k video decoding on youtube spikes igpu to 100% and around 40-50% frames are dropped. Without external monitors being connected no video decoding issues, perfect playback.
Upd: solved it by tuning chrome media flags
As someone with the Ultra 9 185H, I'm glad it's not completely obsolete yet! Good to see AMD improving though.
Thanks for the vid.
What about drivers, support and compatibility?
Things like high load on data transfer with a USB C/thunderbolt 4 to Ethernet dongle.
OC potential at the higher end of stable.
Utilization of other components like RAM, Storage, GPU with different CPUs when they are under multiple loads.
Finally a fair comparison between these cpus. Thank you!
Hi Jarrod, I am going for a laptop, but am a bit confused between Lenovo legion 7i 4070 GPU and Acer Predator helios 16 4080 GPU. Can you suggest which one shall I go with.
Hey can you do a cpu overall overview? between intel and amd for all laptops? I built a desktop in 2020 and stuck with AMD and loving it but now i'm looking for a gaming laptop. Portability is not really the biggest factor for me, i want something that can perform somewhat like a 3080TI desktop but i can take when i travel but again protability is not the biggest issue for me, just the ability to take on a flight and then itll be resting for a few weeks on a desk.
Why not compare it to Intel's latest Ultra 200 series?
200V review embargo doesn't lift until Monday.
And 200H launch date is unknown but sometime between October and January.
It'll be exciting to see the rematch when these launch, but 200 isn't available today.
@@moist_ointment Yeah, makes sense
The iGPU performance on both(especially AMD) is absolutely insane. 80 watts of performance too.
Why didn't you add other laptop processor in the graph as you always did so that we can know at what rank these two processor ranges
Yes - Lunar Lake / Arrow Lake will need an updated comparison. Another question - do you think it is worth comparing the Snapdragon X?
It's clear that AMD has a generational lead in these tests, as they released their CPUs a bit earlier.
We only cover gaming laptops and Snapdragon does not fit the bill, so no testing from us.
I like AMD, but the intel version was on sale and I snatched the 4080 version. Beautiful beast!
Waiting on your Lenovo Legion Pro 7i (2024) Review with the 4090. I feel as if you have compared almost all other comparable laptop in that range. Would be interesting to see how it holds up.
Best video!! Thanks alot for it!
Expect significantly lower single core and multi-core benchmarks with Lunar Lake compared to Ryzen HX 370. Gaming should be be competitive, however, and battery life even better on Lunar.
Why on Earth would you waste time testing (and comparing against AMD's latest high-end mobile CPU) a Meteor Lake laptop when Lunar Lake is out, with supposedly significant improvements, especially on iGPU?
Discussed here:
17:12 What About Intel’s New Lunar Lake?
MOST WAITED VIDEO EVER!!! :)
Thanks for all the testing. I'm looking to most likely replace my aging Zephyrus with a G16 soon. I'm still hesitant about the OLED screen though. I hate the idea of my pixels degrading as I use it... I usually keep my laptops at least 5 years.
I have a LG C2 oled TV as my main monitor for two years now. Have not seen any ghosting or issues so far. I only do pixel cleaning once a week. The image is gorgeous with HDR on. I would not worry about that if I were to buy one now. Cheers!
Is the intel ultra 9 185h a safer option than i9-13900hx? I'm planning to buy a laptop so I would appreciate your help on this. Amd powered laptops are not many where I'm from so I might have to settle for intel
yes jh7 still have the most chance to impress any ears
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