💵 Save money on your next gaming laptop with our daily deals: gaminglaptop.deals Check Prices 👇 ASUS Zephyrus G16 (AMD): geni.us/ASUS-G16-AMD ASUS Zephyrus G16 (Intel): geni.us/ASUS-G16 Corrections: In the Cinebench graph at 3:20 the 25W value for AMD was used instead of the 35W value, as seen earlier in the power scaling graph. This is because I was originally going to do the video at 25W and 80W but found out that wasn't possible later and went to 35W instead. This only happened in Cinebench when I was getting initial results and realized I couldn't sustain the AMD laptop at 25W indefinitely with only the ASUS software.
Sir, I saw your video on if you find a good deal go for it so I have bought a HP omen 16 gaming laptop with an rtx 4050(120 watt) and i5-13420H and 16 GB of ddr5 ram for only $550 on microcenter. You think it's a good deal?
Naming schemes aside, AMD is doing exactly what I want to see in the mobile CPU space - a higher performance CPU with great efficiency, iGPU performance, great battery life and great power scaling at lower CPU wattages.
AMD won't get cut through even with clearly better CPUs if Intel are desperate enough to cut prices and continue doing deals. I've hardly ever seen an AMD laptop on sale ever. The all AMD alienware M18 (7945hx/7900M) is probably the best I've seen but that was such a short run I blinked and missed it 😢
This guy's review are so much detailed yet easy to understand. He also is not biased. I would 100% trust his videos to buy a laptop. Can't imagine how much time and efforts it takes to make videos these detailed.
I totally agreed. 3 years ago I watched so many Jerrod 's videos before buying 2 Legion Pro 5 and 1 5 Slim for my family. I am still very satisfied with the purchase. Th details of his tests are simply unrivaled. Thank you Jerrod.
I was an Intel user for over 12 years, and I switched to the AMD platform in recent years, which is faster, cooler, and longer in either AMD's CPU or mobiles.
Nice work on the comparison, but I noticed a bit of a mistake where the AMD CPU was compared at 25W against the Intel CPU at 35W. You’ve got the AMD CPU scoring 881 at 25W and 1041 at 35W around 2:32, but then at 3:20, it’s shown as 881 at 35W, which is off. This mix-up could affect your other points about efficiency and value, so it might be worth a quick correction.
ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 Laptop - 16" WQXGA OLED 240Hz -Intel Core Ultra 9 185H - RTX 4080 (115W) - 32GB RAM - Can I game in ultra/high settings for the next 3 years?
Excellent work. This is a good way to review gaming laptops: actual efficiency comparisons that include different power limits. Would like to see a little portion added that includes day to day livability, like whats the power draw if you close the lid and leave it overnight.
The review was very informative. You covered not only the comparison of two comparable laptops, you also offered different power levels to simulate different configurations. Thank you.
I know I've said it before, but I'll happily say it again. As a massive fan of In Flames, it's so great to see yet another Jesterhead rocking the t-shirts
I heard intel desinged lunar like that it can not be paired with a dgpu. So its impossible to use them for gaming laptops only very small devices. The lower arrow lake will probably go into the new zephyrus next year.
@@Smiles216 Correct. Lunar Lake only puts out 8 PCIe lanes, four of these are Gen 5, and the other four are Gen 4. So , 4 lanes for the dGPU, another 4 for NVME storage . No way that dGPU can run optimally on 4 PCIe lanes.. Lunar Lake is a replacement for Intel 'U' series CPU . H and HS series will be replaced with Arrow Lake mobile.
excellent review. I was torn between these exact two laptops but opted to go for the AMD. Despite the similar cooling setup, I noticed the AMD one had significantly lower fan noise. Also, the AMD one has a dedicated function lock which for me, was very important.
love these videos for each generation. Only thing I wish could be tossed in for upgrade sake is a cpu from 3 to 5 years ago so people could get a better sense of how much has improved all in 1 video
One thing worth noting on these particular Asus Zephyrus models and when comparing them: not only does the amount of RAM differ, you really should check wether your version has the OLED display or IPS.
Thanks Jarrod, you have been the main reason behind my purchase decisions for my past 3 gaming laptops and I found you during the Legion RTX30 series videos. Awesome and please keep up the unbiased contents. Really appreciating the work behind every video.
Arrow Lake will be the appropriate Zen 5 competitor, especially for gamers. Lunar Lake is for thin and light ultrabooks mainly without dGPUs and its focus is efficiency as expressed by strong performance but also excellent battery life, fan noise & thermals.
The intel model has an issue where it is unable to switch back to the integrated graphics unless you restart. I purchased 3 intel G16s, all new, and had the same issue. I tried all software fixes you can think of and the issue was only consistent with the USA intel model. In the end, i paid more and got the AMD version and its been excellent.
I have an AMD laptop with the same issue, it'll switch to the iGPU when disconnected from power but the dGPU will remain on until restart (and will turn on after next restart even if still on battery). The only workaround I found was using hibernate, which registers as a restart for the machine, but doesn't lose work.
@@HunterTracks What if you set power profile to whisper only for it to use iGPU, does it keep the dGPU disabled/powered off until you manually change to optimized power profile?
TH-cam is planning to start running ads while paused so maybe don’t speed through graphs and tell the viewer to pause in the future (instead give a timecode to skip ahead)
watching this on my ProArt P16 Ryzen 9 HX 370. I do 3D, Video Editing, Motion Graphics and Animation, so far this laptop has been a beast, handling fast data transfer, renders fast, and able to stay cool really well.
@JarrodsTech eagerly waiting for that video to drop. While you are at it can also compare built in encoders for both Ai300 and Ultra series 2? I have seen a few comparisons which show that Intel's Quick Sync absolutely destroys AMD In video timeline scrubbing and rendering. So it'll great if you add that into your New Comparison video
Id love to see that kind of performance make its way to the handheld category in a few years. Most of the games i enjoy playing immensely are a little older now and Id probably not need a new handheld for a decade. Man thatd be cool.
Jarrod, I've watched PC reviews for decades, you're truly one of the best. Really appreciate your in depth reviews and super technical insight. Blown away!
Well done, deep dive comparison/face off, thx! These comparison vids have BIG importance and should be KEY feature of your channel. Sometimes your vids contain too much info and details which can be overwhelming, but viewers can still pause the vid and continue watching later. Still u r basically replacing even deeper dives done by written reviews on Anandtech (R.I.P.) or Tom's HW sites, good job!
Love your benchmark at different power levels. I do the same in the few laptops i can tests and really give a clear picture of the true performance at lower power limits :)
Superb video considering I'm just about to make a decision between these 2 cpu's (hx370 vs 185h), so thanks for this! As always, an objective and honest review, thank you again!
There is a sale in Canada on the Intel ultra 9 185 G16 4060 ($2000) vs amd ryzen 9 AI HX 370 G16 4060 ($2700). Concerned with battery life during work and emails and the longevity down the road, hope I made the right choice.
One thing that's interesting about Strix Point is the fact that AMD's curve optimiser works on ASUS laptops, both with G-Helper and universal x86 tuning utility, which has given me upwards of 10% better multi-core performance at anything below 60W because it allows the Zen5c cores to hit their max boost clock of 3.3GHz at anything above 45W while the Zen5 cores managed to boost above 4.7GHz all core at 60W+ power limit. This was on the TUF A14, so I'd expect the better cooling of the Zephyrus to perform a bit better than the A14 thanks to lower temps.
@@avetruetocaesar3463 no news about curve shaper or Ryzen Master coming to laptops, but if you happen to buy an ASUS Zen5 laptop, I highly recommend G-helper instead of Armoury Crate and most of the rest of ASUS' bloatware, it controls everything from curve optimiser to CPU and GPU power and GPU OC as well as the fan curve and a bunch of other options while consuming absolutely no resources. And that's already a great start, I got my HX370 to go 4.8GHz+3.3GHz in most workloads while plugged in and reduce total system power consumption below 5W while on battery. Some aspects of the software are clunky, given it's entirely open source, but it's been a great boon so far.
@@rasmussuominen2315 it's a mixed experience. The CPU performance is great, there's no doubt about that. Alone, it can run at 85W without getting too loud if you tune the fans manually. However, the 4060 and gaming use is a mixed experience. Let's just say that if you want to pull the 160W max or so that the laptop will pull without getting thermal throttling, it'll have to get loud. The GPU has managed to overwhelm the heatsink no matter what I've tried. To avoid becoming insane, the best I've been able to do is to create a manual curve with a maximum frequency of 2400MHz at 0.825V where it pulls about 60W, and even then, it's pretty loud if you don't want it to overheat. If you don't mind things getting loud, it can pull up to 100W and run at 2850MHz with an overclock. The memory can also at least 2125MHz. Talking about heat, let's get to annoyances. The fans. They are awful. They're weak. They can't run at less than 3000RPM in my case, which is insane. The response of the fans to applying a curve is also maddening, where there's no way to truly fine tune things. It's pretty much either 3000RPM, or 3800RPM for me, with no in between. The automatic curve will go higher and you can manually set it to 6000RPM+ for the memes or if you don't mind the noise. The small heatsink is clearly not enough. I wish they'd gone with a vapour chamber given the soldered memory and how much the laptop costs. A bit more positive, the IO is decent. The screen is good and snappy. The touch pad is plastic, but it feels good nonetheless. The laptop keyboard is okay if you're not a keyboard elitist. I hate the Copilot button, but whatever, all laptops released in the second half of the year seem to have it. The speakers don't have much base and you don't want to put them to 100% imo, but they're fairly good at about the 50% mark, very clear and without any tinny noise. I haven't tested the webcam and microphone, so no comment on that, I'm sure they're fairly standard and middle of the road. There's one weird quirk, at least with my configuration. Sometimes, when the laptop stays idle for too long, the screen will turn off, but it won't go to proper sleep and it won't turn back on, so you'll need to shut the laptop down forcefully and reboot. It's annoying, but not experience ruining. That's about it. As I said, the experience is mixed, but okay at the end of the day. The CPU is great and efficient, which means you can run it for ages on battery. The 12 cores are good and W11 doesn't seem to have scheduling issues with the fact that it's a dual CCX CPU (the 4 Zen 5 and 8 Zen 5c cores each have their own CCX). The iGPU is also great at video decode and can game, but don't expect AAA titles on high at QHD+ with no upscaling, that's not happening. You can even use curve optimiser on it through third party apps. Speaking of third party apps, G-helper supports the system, so you can use it instead of Armoury Crate if you hate that one. The big disappointments are the cooling and the GPU, especially out of the box. There's no fixing that, sadly. I personally despise the RTX 4060 at this price point. It performs okay, but 8GB of VRAM, a super inefficient out of the box volt frequency curve and the fact that it runs hot are very disappointing. All in all, it's not a slam dunk recommendation, but at this price point, it's probably the best 14" laptop. It's lightweight, it can run on 100W USB-C, it has a USB-4 port, another USB-C port and two USB-A ports. So, do with that what you will. I'm keeping it at least until Strix Halo comes out, I might then resell it depending on how much that costs.
All that is great but I was happy with the performance of my CPU for like 5 generations. All I want is more efficiency and it could increase way further, especially in the mobile GPU range. I currently have an Ultra 9 185HX and Im pretty happy, tho that is 99% due to the almost perfect Yoga pro 9i.
Same here! And it's a bummer... I'm planning to buy a new machine in the 1st quarter of 2025 and hopefully by then, some AI 9 HX 370 laptops with a 4080 mobile GPU will become available...
It's been a while since we've had a CPU comparison. Although the only thing I dislike about either of these is that due to most of its components being internal, upgradeability goes down the drain.
I really want to see a comparison between the newer lunar lake cpus whenever they release with these amd ai chips. It's only fair since the gen 1 core ultra chips have been out for a while now.
ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 Laptop - 16" WQXGA OLED 240Hz -Intel Core Ultra 9 185H - RTX 4080 (115W) - 32GB RAM - Can I game in ultra/high settings for the next 3 years?
Pinned comment updated. The power scaling score is correct, I accidentally put the 25W into the Cinebench graph because I was originally going to use a 25W/80W split when making the video but changed it after making that first graph.
I remember last year even the amd 7000 series with 780m igpu, it's already toe to toe, if not slightly ahead than intel ultra series, not to mention the newer "AI" cpu
Interested to see if we can get similar configurations with Lunar Lake as you've done with Meteor Lake and Strix so that could be an upcoming video as well.
Lunar like well only have four pcie lens going to the graphics card and the other four will go to the nvme drive so it will not be available in any gaming laptop because it cannot support a dedicated GPU
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br ? Well there are dGPU-less Strix laptops like Zenbook S16 or the Vivobook S14. The difficult part is getting similar laptop configurations for both SoCs
ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 Laptop - 16" WQXGA OLED 240Hz -Intel Core Ultra 9 185H - RTX 4080 (115W) - 32GB RAM - Can I game in ultra/high settings for the next 3 years?
Why expecting Lunar Lake on gaming laptop?? Lunar Lake is exclusively for thin and light ultrabook/notebook and it is never meant for gaming or high performance laptops. I guess only Arrow Lake mobile CPU is the only option for gaming laptop from team blue. Edited (Added explanation): Lunar Lake platform is a System-on-Chip (SoC) which consists of CPU+GPU+RAM which is mainly designed for extreme power efficiency and is meant for thin and light Ultrabook. I don't think Lunar Lake will ever be paired with any dedicated GPU, and this makes the upcoming Arrow Lake mobile CPU the only option for gaming laptop. Lunar Lake is meant to compete with other SoC like Apple's M series and Snapdragon Elite, etc.
A lot of people ignored that fact said by Intel itself. But i don't blame them, Intel has been building insane hype over Lunar Lake being a revolution for x86, so people may think the aechitecture is capable of more than thin and light laptops.
@@danielrouw2593 Isn't it smart to compare the latest from Team Blue and Team Red? I'm not a fanboy, but I need to pick between Intel and Mac for productivity (though I'll wait on Apple until I can afford it).
@@danielrouw2593 AMD Ryzen AI series like HX 370 in this video has just been released recently like 2 month ago, and some regions still don't have these laptops yet, so it's indeed quite new. The Meteor Lake laptops have been available pretty much anywhere since the very early 2024. AMD and Intel always stagger their releases making direct year-to-year comparisons tricky... Anyway, my original comment wasn't to say which one of those CPUs in the video is better, but it's strange that people are expecting Lunar Lake on a gaming laptop? With dedicated GPU? I guess it won't ever happend because Lunar Lake platform is a System-on-Chip (SoC) which is designed for extreme power efficiency and is meant for thin and light Ultrabook. I don't think Lunar Lake will ever be paired with any dedicated GPU, and this makes the upcoming Arrow Lake mobile CPUs the only option for gaming laptop.
I've been shopping for a gaming laptop with an RTX 4090 and I really wanted the AMD CPU, but Asus G16 series doesn't pair it with a 4090, it's only available with a 4060 or 4070 for some reason, so I've had to order the Intel Core Ultra version which is the only option with the 4090 model, instead. Hoping it'll still give me decent battery life when using the iGPU. It's annoying that Asus didn't bother pairing this AMD CPU with the 4090 as that would have been my ideal configuration.
Hey man thank you for this review. I just got the Core Ultra 9 195H / RTX4070 Variant for 1180$ On best buy! And man this is an amazing laptop, im very happy with it. I know the cpu does spikes and gets up to temperatures but other than that I tuned it with G-Helper and now I dont go up more than 90C so yeah other than that I am extremely happy and hopefully this system lasts a while. Thank you for all that you do man.
How is you experience so far? I just ordered that same version, and due to multiple comments about temperature I’m planning on installing G helper right out of the box. Any other setting I should do when I get it?
Thanks for the vid. What about drivers, support and compatibility? Things like high load on data transfer with a USB C/thunderbolt 4 to Ethernet dongle. OC potential at the higher end of stable. Utilization of other components like RAM, Storage, GPU with different CPUs when they are under multiple loads.
Waiting on your Lenovo Legion Pro 7i (2024) Review with the 4090. I feel as if you have compared almost all other comparable laptop in that range. Would be interesting to see how it holds up.
Thanks for all the testing. I'm looking to most likely replace my aging Zephyrus with a G16 soon. I'm still hesitant about the OLED screen though. I hate the idea of my pixels degrading as I use it... I usually keep my laptops at least 5 years.
I have a LG C2 oled TV as my main monitor for two years now. Have not seen any ghosting or issues so far. I only do pixel cleaning once a week. The image is gorgeous with HDR on. I would not worry about that if I were to buy one now. Cheers!
such a comprehensive and fair comparison with identical chassis, cooling systems and specs. Amazing content and clearly guides well your viewers on their purchasing decisions. I have ASUS Vivobook Pro 15 OLED N6506 with 185H, 4060 and 32gb of ram as my hybrid work / light gaming on travel computer. Thin, light and convenient with 2 ssd slots allowing me to separate my work and gaming with two separate OS installed. I think these CPUs are perfect for such use cases while keeping a desktop gaming PC at home.
That the Ryzen iGPU can almost touch 60fps at 1080 high, I assume without upscaling...very impressive. Having said that, that bar chart from Intel showing the HX370 reaching only 30s at medium... EDIT: To clarify, I was referring about Cyberpunk 2077.
Jesus Christ, the iGPU difference is nuts!!!! Great to see Ryzen has fixed its gaming frame stability in 1% lows this time. Though it's a shame we likely won't see gaming ultrabooks with Lunar Lake. Strix Point might be the thin and light power user champ for 2025 too.
@ehtasam2080not a thing yet but it's in development. Unironically though, Medusa halo is being developed also and should launch around the same time as arrow lake halo expect that Medusa halo is projected to perform around a 5070-5080 mobile so intel Will get crushed
The gap between RDNA 3 and Alchemist is massive. The Arc A770 and RX7600XT are built on the same TSMC 6nm node, they have roughly the same performance, but here is the catch: the A770 uses 400mm^2 silicon while the RX7600XT uses only half of that at 200mm^2.
Please do the gaming tests in Windows 10 & Disable Core Isolation. Microsoft has been playing favorites recently, with at least with the more than 8 core CPUs on new AMD CPU`s - the performance differences are tangible....
@@JarrodsTech Why tho? They don't compete with each other. A more sensible comparison would be either LNL against Kraken, or Strix Point against Arrow Lake H, when they are released of course.
@@antalpoti???? What is this logic. This is their best current so obviously that's what should be compared. With your logic, when Intel releases it's new igpu, i can just say "that's a bad comparison, you should do it vs (insert even future unreleased amd igpu that will obviously be better)"
The 680m and 780m are such a blessing for mobile gamers. The iris XE is 4 years old, and is the successor to the *shudders Intel UHD. I'm so happy we could move on from that.
intel needs additional 45 watts to reach what amd cooked at 35 watts. crazy... I got the 2023 version i7 13260h 4070. Im happy because it costed me 1000 usd. When gaming without a cooling pad cpu is set to max 20/25 Watt PL1 PL2 setting with boost enabled. Gpu Oc'ed 750 mhz more vram speed and 100mhz core boost. easily doing 100w. AMD is very goood. lower TDP means less fan noise. I hope they can catch up nvidia too
Did anyone notice while Jarrod was moving his hand for gestures the Intel model of the Zephyrus was wobbling slightly but the AMD model remained firm? 🧐9:05
1080p high at 60fps on cyberpunk is actually crazy on an integrated gpu. amd is just in a league of its own as far as igpu is concerned, can't wait for strix halo to drop, also z2 extreme handhelds will probably use the same rx890m
These new AMD cpu's are so good, glad to see massive power efficiency gains and battery life performance from x86 parts When the Lunar lake stuff comes out, would also be nice to get a similar video comparing the HX370 to the 288v, from early first party benchmarks it looks a lot more competitive
Yes - Lunar Lake / Arrow Lake will need an updated comparison. Another question - do you think it is worth comparing the Snapdragon X? It's clear that AMD has a generational lead in these tests, as they released their CPUs a bit earlier.
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Corrections:
In the Cinebench graph at 3:20 the 25W value for AMD was used instead of the 35W value, as seen earlier in the power scaling graph. This is because I was originally going to do the video at 25W and 80W but found out that wasn't possible later and went to 35W instead. This only happened in Cinebench when I was getting initial results and realized I couldn't sustain the AMD laptop at 25W indefinitely with only the ASUS software.
Sir please do a Versus comparision
G16 Amd vs lenovo legion 7i
Also value for price please❤
The wrong CPU is one that is ARM based
This is a fantastic video, THANK YOU!
If you can, consider comparing Nvidia and AMD GPUs. Would love to see the performance difference
Sir, I saw your video on if you find a good deal go for it so I have bought a HP omen 16 gaming laptop with an rtx 4050(120 watt) and i5-13420H and 16 GB of ddr5 ram for only $550 on microcenter. You think it's a good deal?
Naming schemes aside, AMD is doing exactly what I want to see in the mobile CPU space - a higher performance CPU with great efficiency, iGPU performance, great battery life and great power scaling at lower CPU wattages.
I'm just glad there's more improvement compared to what Zen 5 offers on the desktop side!
@@JarrodsTechDesktop CPUs having a Zen 5% moment. 😂
AMD won't get cut through even with clearly better CPUs if Intel are desperate enough to cut prices and continue doing deals. I've hardly ever seen an AMD laptop on sale ever. The all AMD alienware M18 (7945hx/7900M) is probably the best I've seen but that was such a short run I blinked and missed it 😢
@@greebj depends on where you live i guess and the store offering the sale. In Canada, they go on sale every couple of weeks lol
Intel is inferior, hence much cheaper .. m
This guy's review are so much detailed yet easy to understand. He also is not biased. I would 100% trust his videos to buy a laptop. Can't imagine how much time and efforts it takes to make videos these detailed.
I totally agreed. 3 years ago I watched so many Jerrod 's videos before buying 2 Legion Pro 5 and 1 5 Slim for my family. I am still very satisfied with the purchase. Th details of his tests are simply unrivaled. Thank you Jerrod.
It's so rare to get a complete apples to apples comparison like this with the exact same model of laptop, this is awesome, thank you!
thanks
agree
I am blown away by AMD's processor integrated graphics.
I was an Intel user for over 12 years, and I switched to the AMD platform in recent years, which is faster, cooler, and longer in either AMD's CPU or mobiles.
Don't forget 12 hrs of youtube
@@clarkisaac6372AMD is longer?
Only took them 2 decades after buying ATI to finally make good APU's lmao
@@GewelReal Talking about the battery-life perhaps
Finally, Jarrod appeared with most anticipated comparison, thank you sir.
No problem!
Beware!! He compared latest AMD chips with last year's intel chips.
@@SitWithAnkitWhat should he have compared it with then?
@@danal8246theres literally an intel launch in like 5 days. arrow lake i believe? theyll need to redo this video
@@danal8246 Waited for a week for fair comparison?
Do you want him to compare latest ryzen with core 2 duo next time?
Nice work on the comparison, but I noticed a bit of a mistake where the AMD CPU was compared at 25W against the Intel CPU at 35W. You’ve got the AMD CPU scoring 881 at 25W and 1041 at 35W around 2:32, but then at 3:20, it’s shown as 881 at 35W, which is off. This mix-up could affect your other points about efficiency and value, so it might be worth a quick correction.
ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 Laptop - 16" WQXGA OLED 240Hz -Intel Core Ultra 9 185H - RTX 4080 (115W) - 32GB RAM -
Can I game in ultra/high settings for the next 3 years?
I have noticed it too.
@@YTech_xp 1080p: definitely. 1440p: sure. 4k: maybe not ultra high after 4 years.
I'm proud of you Jarrod.
Been here since the beginning where I was a bit hard on you. You took it in stride and that's why I will never unsubscribe.
I dont have money to buy this kind of a device but still decided to watch😪😂.
just steal it my man
Tell me ur Indian without telling me ur indian
@@snake2106 i am Greek. 😎
@@snake2106 low
@@snake2106 why are you racist ???
Excellent work. This is a good way to review gaming laptops: actual efficiency comparisons that include different power limits.
Would like to see a little portion added that includes day to day livability, like whats the power draw if you close the lid and leave it overnight.
The review was very informative. You covered not only the comparison of two comparable laptops, you also offered different power levels to simulate different configurations.
Thank you.
I know I've said it before, but I'll happily say it again. As a massive fan of In Flames, it's so great to see yet another Jesterhead rocking the t-shirts
Thank you for your efforts. I'll be on the market for a laptop in the next 60 days and your videos have been helpful in my research.
With Lunar Lake releasing in 4 days, it would be really interesting to see the comparison between the 288V/268V vs the HX 370/365 :)
I don’t think it will compete for the reasons covered in the lunar lake timestamp, but I am working on an iGPU comparison with it now
I heard intel desinged lunar like that it can not be paired with a dgpu. So its impossible to use them for gaming laptops only very small devices. The lower arrow lake will probably go into the new zephyrus next year.
@@Smiles216 Correct. Lunar Lake only puts out 8 PCIe lanes, four of these are Gen 5, and the other four are Gen 4. So , 4 lanes for the dGPU, another 4 for NVME storage . No way that dGPU can run optimally on 4 PCIe lanes.. Lunar Lake is a replacement for Intel 'U' series CPU . H and HS series will be replaced with Arrow Lake mobile.
8 cores, no hyper threading, it would get stomped.
For gaming laptops, arrow lake is going to be used instead of lunar lake. Coming probably in October
excellent review. I was torn between these exact two laptops but opted to go for the AMD. Despite the similar cooling setup, I noticed the AMD one had significantly lower fan noise. Also, the AMD one has a dedicated function lock which for me, was very important.
Just use g helper for a function lock
love these videos for each generation. Only thing I wish could be tossed in for upgrade sake is a cpu from 3 to 5 years ago so people could get a better sense of how much has improved all in 1 video
One thing worth noting on these particular Asus Zephyrus models and when comparing them: not only does the amount of RAM differ, you really should check wether your version has the OLED display or IPS.
Thanks Jarrod, you have been the main reason behind my purchase decisions for my past 3 gaming laptops and I found you during the Legion RTX30 series videos. Awesome and please keep up the unbiased contents. Really appreciating the work behind every video.
Yay great testing Jarrod.
I just love the HX370. But I'm really looking forward to the Core Ultra 2 Series aswell :D
Also 2:43 Intel needed 60W to match AMD at 30W.
3:25 AMD AI370 @ 35W 881 score which is lower than 2:43 .
Working on that now :)
@@vmafarah9473 The Core Ultra 200 just a way more efficiently than
@@alderlake12th . Also 2:43 Intel needed 60W to match AMD at 30W. The comparison on 3:25 was a mistake.
@@vmafarah9473 The 200V is way efficiently than the 100H
200V can't match hx370 cause the core count
Incredible depth, thanks!
your reviews are just sooooo much better than anybody else ❤
Arrow Lake will be the appropriate Zen 5 competitor, especially for gamers. Lunar Lake is for thin and light ultrabooks mainly without dGPUs and its focus is efficiency as expressed by strong performance but also excellent battery life, fan noise & thermals.
The intel model has an issue where it is unable to switch back to the integrated graphics unless you restart. I purchased 3 intel G16s, all new, and had the same issue. I tried all software fixes you can think of and the issue was only consistent with the USA intel model. In the end, i paid more and got the AMD version and its been excellent.
I have an AMD laptop with the same issue, it'll switch to the iGPU when disconnected from power but the dGPU will remain on until restart (and will turn on after next restart even if still on battery). The only workaround I found was using hibernate, which registers as a restart for the machine, but doesn't lose work.
@@HunterTracks What if you set power profile to whisper only for it to use iGPU, does it keep the dGPU disabled/powered off until you manually change to optimized power profile?
TH-cam is planning to start running ads while paused so maybe don’t speed through graphs and tell the viewer to pause in the future (instead give a timecode to skip ahead)
use adblocker xd or buy youtube premium
@@RubyKaneki oh, I already do both, but this is more an ask for the less tech savvy in the audience
Let them eat the ad, we need time stamps
watching this on my ProArt P16 Ryzen 9 HX 370. I do 3D, Video Editing, Motion Graphics and Animation, so far this laptop has been a beast, handling fast data transfer, renders fast, and able to stay cool really well.
Nice!
Idk why but your reviews & Comparison videos are entertaining and worthy of being watched while eating food
Thanks :D
thanks lol, its more interesting to read reviews afterwards, so you get the idea how they sound
i will on more suitable channel/topic
I can't wait for core ultra serie 2 vs AI 300 series. This will be an anime battle🔥🔥
I'm working on an iGPU comparison between those now!
@JarrodsTech eagerly waiting for that video to drop. While you are at it can also compare built in encoders for both Ai300 and Ultra series 2? I have seen a few comparisons which show that Intel's Quick Sync absolutely destroys AMD In video timeline scrubbing and rendering. So it'll great if you add that into your New Comparison video
@ehtasam2080 that's what i want jarred to test in depth in his upcoming review of both of these new processors..
@@JarrodsTech can't wait for the best cpu battles in a long time. ♥️
Ultra 7 against anything is not an anime battle but a Tokusatsu battle ;-)
Id love to see that kind of performance make its way to the handheld category in a few years.
Most of the games i enjoy playing immensely are a little older now and Id probably not need a new handheld for a decade. Man thatd be cool.
Jarrod, I've watched PC reviews for decades, you're truly one of the best. Really appreciate your in depth reviews and super technical insight.
Blown away!
Thanks!
Well done, deep dive comparison/face off, thx! These comparison vids have BIG importance and should be KEY feature of your channel. Sometimes your vids contain too much info and details which can be overwhelming, but viewers can still pause the vid and continue watching later. Still u r basically replacing even deeper dives done by written reviews on Anandtech (R.I.P.) or Tom's HW sites, good job!
This is an amazing video! Thank you for doing this and going into all the details. I will sub!
Nice video, thanks for going through all details.
Just what I was wondering! Thank you!
Love your benchmark at different power levels. I do the same in the few laptops i can tests and really give a clear picture of the true performance at lower power limits :)
Superb video considering I'm just about to make a decision between these 2 cpu's (hx370 vs 185h), so thanks for this! As always, an objective and honest review, thank you again!
There is a sale in Canada on the Intel ultra 9 185 G16 4060 ($2000) vs amd ryzen 9 AI HX 370 G16 4060 ($2700). Concerned with battery life during work and emails and the longevity down the road, hope I made the right choice.
One thing that's interesting about Strix Point is the fact that AMD's curve optimiser works on ASUS laptops, both with G-Helper and universal x86 tuning utility, which has given me upwards of 10% better multi-core performance at anything below 60W because it allows the Zen5c cores to hit their max boost clock of 3.3GHz at anything above 45W while the Zen5 cores managed to boost above 4.7GHz all core at 60W+ power limit.
This was on the TUF A14, so I'd expect the better cooling of the Zephyrus to perform a bit better than the A14 thanks to lower temps.
Good of you to share this knowledge, thanks. How about the curve shaper? And does Ryzen Master finally work on laptops?
@@avetruetocaesar3463 no news about curve shaper or Ryzen Master coming to laptops, but if you happen to buy an ASUS Zen5 laptop, I highly recommend G-helper instead of Armoury Crate and most of the rest of ASUS' bloatware, it controls everything from curve optimiser to CPU and GPU power and GPU OC as well as the fan curve and a bunch of other options while consuming absolutely no resources. And that's already a great start, I got my HX370 to go 4.8GHz+3.3GHz in most workloads while plugged in and reduce total system power consumption below 5W while on battery. Some aspects of the software are clunky, given it's entirely open source, but it's been a great boon so far.
@@avetruetocaesar3463 sadly, no for both last time I looked into it.
How are you finding the TUF A14? I've been thinking of buying it and would love to hear how people who own it would rate the laptop.
@@rasmussuominen2315 it's a mixed experience. The CPU performance is great, there's no doubt about that.
Alone, it can run at 85W without getting too loud if you tune the fans manually. However, the 4060 and gaming use is a mixed experience.
Let's just say that if you want to pull the 160W max or so that the laptop will pull without getting thermal throttling, it'll have to get loud. The GPU has managed to overwhelm the heatsink no matter what I've tried. To avoid becoming insane, the best I've been able to do is to create a manual curve with a maximum frequency of 2400MHz at 0.825V where it pulls about 60W, and even then, it's pretty loud if you don't want it to overheat. If you don't mind things getting loud, it can pull up to 100W and run at 2850MHz with an overclock. The memory can also at least 2125MHz.
Talking about heat, let's get to annoyances. The fans. They are awful. They're weak. They can't run at less than 3000RPM in my case, which is insane. The response of the fans to applying a curve is also maddening, where there's no way to truly fine tune things. It's pretty much either 3000RPM, or 3800RPM for me, with no in between. The automatic curve will go higher and you can manually set it to 6000RPM+ for the memes or if you don't mind the noise. The small heatsink is clearly not enough. I wish they'd gone with a vapour chamber given the soldered memory and how much the laptop costs.
A bit more positive, the IO is decent. The screen is good and snappy. The touch pad is plastic, but it feels good nonetheless. The laptop keyboard is okay if you're not a keyboard elitist. I hate the Copilot button, but whatever, all laptops released in the second half of the year seem to have it. The speakers don't have much base and you don't want to put them to 100% imo, but they're fairly good at about the 50% mark, very clear and without any tinny noise. I haven't tested the webcam and microphone, so no comment on that, I'm sure they're fairly standard and middle of the road.
There's one weird quirk, at least with my configuration. Sometimes, when the laptop stays idle for too long, the screen will turn off, but it won't go to proper sleep and it won't turn back on, so you'll need to shut the laptop down forcefully and reboot. It's annoying, but not experience ruining.
That's about it. As I said, the experience is mixed, but okay at the end of the day. The CPU is great and efficient, which means you can run it for ages on battery. The 12 cores are good and W11 doesn't seem to have scheduling issues with the fact that it's a dual CCX CPU (the 4 Zen 5 and 8 Zen 5c cores each have their own CCX). The iGPU is also great at video decode and can game, but don't expect AAA titles on high at QHD+ with no upscaling, that's not happening. You can even use curve optimiser on it through third party apps. Speaking of third party apps, G-helper supports the system, so you can use it instead of Armoury Crate if you hate that one.
The big disappointments are the cooling and the GPU, especially out of the box. There's no fixing that, sadly. I personally despise the RTX 4060 at this price point. It performs okay, but 8GB of VRAM, a super inefficient out of the box volt frequency curve and the fact that it runs hot are very disappointing.
All in all, it's not a slam dunk recommendation, but at this price point, it's probably the best 14" laptop. It's lightweight, it can run on 100W USB-C, it has a USB-4 port, another USB-C port and two USB-A ports. So, do with that what you will. I'm keeping it at least until Strix Halo comes out, I might then resell it depending on how much that costs.
I always get excited whenever you drop a new video. Interesting and a very good review.
very detailed review especially the power scaling figure is very informative
All that is great but I was happy with the performance of my CPU for like 5 generations. All I want is more efficiency and it could increase way further, especially in the mobile GPU range. I currently have an Ultra 9 185HX and Im pretty happy, tho that is 99% due to the almost perfect Yoga pro 9i.
As an engineering student, I appreciate you included MATLAB test. Thanks!
Love your way of explaining ❤
I REALLY wish they offered the AMD flavor with a 4080 mobile.... only the Intel options have it.
exactly, I have the same complaint
Same here! And it's a bummer... I'm planning to buy a new machine in the 1st quarter of 2025 and hopefully by then, some AI 9 HX 370 laptops with a 4080 mobile GPU will become available...
looking foward to see the npu comparation
It's been a while since we've had a CPU comparison. Although the only thing I dislike about either of these is that due to most of its components being internal, upgradeability goes down the drain.
There hasn't been much to compare with the main gaming laptop processors just being rebrands of 2023 models :) probably a lot more next year.
@@JarrodsTech hopefully a lot more next year. Still thanks for the comparison. Good reference for the future.
@joelconolly5574, u can buy a laptop w.o dGPU and connect iGPU via Oculink (PCI-E 4.0 x4)
I really want to see a comparison between the newer lunar lake cpus whenever they release with these amd ai chips.
It's only fair since the gen 1 core ultra chips have been out for a while now.
EXACTLY the review I was looking for! Danke!
thanks2
Thanks so much for this detailed analysis.
Jarrod does the best comparisons out of any other channel
THANK YOU!
Much appreciation for this one.
So that's why you tested the 4070 version of the Intel laptop. Amazing job!
2:43 hx370 35W TDP 1041 score
3:25 hx370 35W TDP 881 score
there a mistake???
Seems likely
I saw the same . Also 2:43 Intel needed 60W to match AMD at 30W.
also the performance per watt 4:02 on 35W hx370 should wrong.
ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 Laptop - 16" WQXGA OLED 240Hz -Intel Core Ultra 9 185H - RTX 4080 (115W) - 32GB RAM -
Can I game in ultra/high settings for the next 3 years?
Pinned comment updated. The power scaling score is correct, I accidentally put the 25W into the Cinebench graph because I was originally going to use a 25W/80W split when making the video but changed it after making that first graph.
I remember last year even the amd 7000 series with 780m igpu, it's already toe to toe, if not slightly ahead than intel ultra series, not to mention the newer "AI" cpu
a very nice comparaison , Thx 👍
Interested to see if we can get similar configurations with Lunar Lake as you've done with Meteor Lake and Strix so that could be an upcoming video as well.
Lunar like well only have four pcie lens going to the graphics card and the other four will go to the nvme drive so it will not be available in any gaming laptop because it cannot support a dedicated GPU
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br ? Well there are dGPU-less Strix laptops like Zenbook S16 or the Vivobook S14. The difficult part is getting similar laptop configurations for both SoCs
09:30 I think you accidently gave the Intel CPU the frames of AMDs CPU @1080p in this chart.
ASUS ROG Zephyrus G16 Laptop - 16" WQXGA OLED 240Hz -Intel Core Ultra 9 185H - RTX 4080 (115W) - 32GB RAM -
Can I game in ultra/high settings for the next 3 years?
@@YTech_xp yes
@@Oneath but the rtx 4080 tgp is only 115W, not 175
@@YTech_xp well high settings + DLSS Quality without RT should be working just fine in every game so far...
🙏 thanks for your efforts man
I was literally thinking of this exact comparison. And low and below, you made it 🎉
Why expecting Lunar Lake on gaming laptop?? Lunar Lake is exclusively for thin and light ultrabook/notebook and it is never meant for gaming or high performance laptops. I guess only Arrow Lake mobile CPU is the only option for gaming laptop from team blue.
Edited (Added explanation): Lunar Lake platform is a System-on-Chip (SoC) which consists of CPU+GPU+RAM which is mainly designed for extreme power efficiency and is meant for thin and light Ultrabook. I don't think Lunar Lake will ever be paired with any dedicated GPU, and this makes the upcoming Arrow Lake mobile CPU the only option for gaming laptop. Lunar Lake is meant to compete with other SoC like Apple's M series and Snapdragon Elite, etc.
A lot of people ignored that fact said by Intel itself. But i don't blame them, Intel has been building insane hype over Lunar Lake being a revolution for x86, so people may think the aechitecture is capable of more than thin and light laptops.
@@danielrouw2593 Wait for intel's latest processors which launched recently.
@@danielrouw2593 Isn't it smart to compare the latest from Team Blue and Team Red? I'm not a fanboy, but I need to pick between Intel and Mac for productivity (though I'll wait on Apple until I can afford it).
@@danielrouw2593 AMD Ryzen AI series like HX 370 in this video has just been released recently like 2 month ago, and some regions still don't have these laptops yet, so it's indeed quite new. The Meteor Lake laptops have been available pretty much anywhere since the very early 2024. AMD and Intel always stagger their releases making direct year-to-year comparisons tricky... Anyway, my original comment wasn't to say which one of those CPUs in the video is better, but it's strange that people are expecting Lunar Lake on a gaming laptop? With dedicated GPU? I guess it won't ever happend because Lunar Lake platform is a System-on-Chip (SoC) which is designed for extreme power efficiency and is meant for thin and light Ultrabook. I don't think Lunar Lake will ever be paired with any dedicated GPU, and this makes the upcoming Arrow Lake mobile CPUs the only option for gaming laptop.
Doesn’t lunar lake’s existence imply that arrowlake mobile is going to be crap for battery life?
Fantastic job 👏🏻 Amazing review 👌🏻Keep up the good work, you are on the spot with everything
wonderful match, thanks 🎉
Finally a fair comparison between these cpus. Thank you!
Best time to buy these would be later in the year, especially Christmas time
woah thanks for the extensive benchmarks
As someone with the Ultra 9 185H, I'm glad it's not completely obsolete yet! Good to see AMD improving though.
Excellent job, thank you.
Thank you, jarrod!!
Best video!! Thanks alot for it!
I've been shopping for a gaming laptop with an RTX 4090 and I really wanted the AMD CPU, but Asus G16 series doesn't pair it with a 4090, it's only available with a 4060 or 4070 for some reason, so I've had to order the Intel Core Ultra version which is the only option with the 4090 model, instead. Hoping it'll still give me decent battery life when using the iGPU. It's annoying that Asus didn't bother pairing this AMD CPU with the 4090 as that would have been my ideal configuration.
Very nice comparison. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I happen to be getting a new laptop, but it's got the 8945HS. Still a great chip from what I've heard
Yeah it's pretty good
Hey man thank you for this review. I just got the Core Ultra 9 195H / RTX4070 Variant for 1180$ On best buy! And man this is an amazing laptop, im very happy with it. I know the cpu does spikes and gets up to temperatures but other than that I tuned it with G-Helper and now I dont go up more than 90C so yeah other than that I am extremely happy and hopefully this system lasts a while. Thank you for all that you do man.
How is you experience so far? I just ordered that same version, and due to multiple comments about temperature I’m planning on installing G helper right out of the box. Any other setting I should do when I get it?
Thanks for the vid.
What about drivers, support and compatibility?
Things like high load on data transfer with a USB C/thunderbolt 4 to Ethernet dongle.
OC potential at the higher end of stable.
Utilization of other components like RAM, Storage, GPU with different CPUs when they are under multiple loads.
Waiting on your Lenovo Legion Pro 7i (2024) Review with the 4090. I feel as if you have compared almost all other comparable laptop in that range. Would be interesting to see how it holds up.
Thanks for all the testing. I'm looking to most likely replace my aging Zephyrus with a G16 soon. I'm still hesitant about the OLED screen though. I hate the idea of my pixels degrading as I use it... I usually keep my laptops at least 5 years.
I have a LG C2 oled TV as my main monitor for two years now. Have not seen any ghosting or issues so far. I only do pixel cleaning once a week. The image is gorgeous with HDR on. I would not worry about that if I were to buy one now. Cheers!
such a comprehensive and fair comparison with identical chassis, cooling systems and specs. Amazing content and clearly guides well your viewers on their purchasing decisions.
I have ASUS Vivobook Pro 15 OLED N6506 with 185H, 4060 and 32gb of ram as my hybrid work / light gaming on travel computer. Thin, light and convenient with 2 ssd slots allowing me to separate my work and gaming with two separate OS installed. I think these CPUs are perfect for such use cases while keeping a desktop gaming PC at home.
would love to see comparison of these two with the series 2 intel core ultra processors!
That the Ryzen iGPU can almost touch 60fps at 1080 high, I assume without upscaling...very impressive. Having said that, that bar chart from Intel showing the HX370 reaching only 30s at medium...
EDIT: To clarify, I was referring about Cyberpunk 2077.
Just what the world needed 🙌
Another Quality Content from Jarrod ❤❤
Jesus Christ, the iGPU difference is nuts!!!! Great to see Ryzen has fixed its gaming frame stability in 1% lows this time. Though it's a shame we likely won't see gaming ultrabooks with Lunar Lake. Strix Point might be the thin and light power user champ for 2025 too.
Strix Halo's iGPU with 256bit memory bus will run circles around Intel mobile CPUs in iGPU test.
@ehtasam2080not a thing yet but it's in development. Unironically though, Medusa halo is being developed also and should launch around the same time as arrow lake halo expect that Medusa halo is projected to perform around a 5070-5080 mobile so intel Will get crushed
The gap between RDNA 3 and Alchemist is massive. The Arc A770 and RX7600XT are built on the same TSMC 6nm node, they have roughly the same performance, but here is the catch: the A770 uses 400mm^2 silicon while the RX7600XT uses only half of that at 200mm^2.
@ehtasam2080 the 4060 uses a denser process node, not a good comparison
Hi Jarrod, I wanna see this same comparasion but with a Intel Core Ultra 9 288V, will be a fantastic battle!!
true, but honestly ciems are on different level, if you have the budget and can wait months buy them
Energy efficiency curves! Nice!
Redo this test with the 275hx
Thanks man 🍻
You can actually get FPS in Civ6... the graphics test gives you a frame time, then you can do some math to convert that to FPS.
FPS tests in Civ6 are irrelevant. Both of these laptops will get enough. What matters more is AI turn time.
Please do the gaming tests in Windows 10 & Disable Core Isolation. Microsoft has been playing favorites recently, with at least with the more than 8 core CPUs on new AMD CPU`s - the performance differences are tangible....
MOST WAITED VIDEO EVER!!! :)
At last; an apples to apples test ==> essentially the same laptop with different CPU's. Great stuff !!
@4:39, they use different fans between AMD and Intel
A huge plus is that Intel's iGPU is finally able to compete with AMD's, which is a huge improvement over the old Iris Xe iGPUs.
I'm working on an iGPU comparison between Lunar Lake and this AMD chip now so we'll see :)
@@JarrodsTech Why tho? They don't compete with each other. A more sensible comparison would be either LNL against Kraken, or Strix Point against Arrow Lake H, when they are released of course.
@@antalpoti yeah no, we'll test things that are out now rather than waiting for future.
@@antalpoti???? What is this logic. This is their best current so obviously that's what should be compared. With your logic, when Intel releases it's new igpu, i can just say "that's a bad comparison, you should do it vs (insert even future unreleased amd igpu that will obviously be better)"
The 680m and 780m are such a blessing for mobile gamers. The iris XE is 4 years old, and is the successor to the *shudders Intel UHD.
I'm so happy we could move on from that.
intel needs additional 45 watts to reach what amd cooked at 35 watts. crazy... I got the 2023 version i7 13260h 4070. Im happy because it costed me 1000 usd. When gaming without a cooling pad cpu is set to max 20/25 Watt PL1 PL2 setting with boost enabled. Gpu Oc'ed 750 mhz more vram speed and 100mhz core boost. easily doing 100w.
AMD is very goood. lower TDP means less fan noise. I hope they can catch up nvidia too
Thanks Guy !
Did anyone notice while Jarrod was moving his hand for gestures the Intel model of the Zephyrus was wobbling slightly but the AMD model remained firm? 🧐9:05
Good eyes, yes ROG did improve the hinge on the AMd version.
Wonder if Ryzen AI HX processors will make it to the G14. They put it in the TUF A14 but that variant isn't available in Canada :(
1080p high at 60fps on cyberpunk is actually crazy on an integrated gpu. amd is just in a league of its own as far as igpu is concerned, can't wait for strix halo to drop, also z2 extreme handhelds will probably use the same rx890m
You always do reviews at the right time 👍
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These new AMD cpu's are so good, glad to see massive power efficiency gains and battery life performance from x86 parts
When the Lunar lake stuff comes out, would also be nice to get a similar video comparing the HX370 to the 288v, from early first party benchmarks it looks a lot more competitive
I loved your video. I am having a challange with deciding on which lenovo yoga 9i - some are intel and some are amd.
Yes - Lunar Lake / Arrow Lake will need an updated comparison. Another question - do you think it is worth comparing the Snapdragon X?
It's clear that AMD has a generational lead in these tests, as they released their CPUs a bit earlier.
We only cover gaming laptops and Snapdragon does not fit the bill, so no testing from us.