hi do the back ports make a difference with delay? since the back ports are super speed 10gbps ports rather than the normal one at the front wouldn’t it be faster
@@reshzed4874 The controller does not use such speed from the USB port which you can check on the PC and the data rate is under 400Mb/s so a typical USB 2.1 is more than enough for it, yet the latency was the same from USB 3.2 on the PC
Hi man, first of all great video! Very effective way of measering. But for static reasons you need atleast 8 data points. Preferbly even 10. And within these small numbers that could result in a few milliseconds more or less on the final number.
Thanks for the video Upgraded my busted standard dualsense for the release of Street Fighter 6, then had an heart attack because I forgot to check how the edge performed delay wise This puts me at ease, so thanks for your work
I’ve been somewhat seriously testing both controllers on Uncharted 4 Multiplayer and the response time and latency seem to virtually be the same on the basic buttons, around 23 ms for both. The Edge has the advantage with the trigger stops and deadzones but a huge downside for me is that the control sticks for the edge seem to be less stable(more sensitive) and feel more flimsy. 🤷🏻♂️
Hi Daniel! I read that a USB Type-C to Type-C cable reduces the input delay of the DualSense even more, compared to a USB Type-A to Type-C cable. Is this true? Can you do some tests? Thank you for your work 😊 Greetings from Italy! 🙃
Hi, thanks, as far as I can test (down to 1 ms) both are under 1 ms of idle delay, so I can't be sure if one is faster, but if you feel it is, so it might be! my tools currently can go down to 1ms measurement but from there it becomes unreliable.
I’m very confused before you said to disable Bluetooth then in another video you said don’t disable it what should I do I’m on ps5 and I turned off Bluetooth on the system and play wired should I play wired with Bluetooth enabled or disabled thank you
Idont know if this still stands for the ps5, i use wireless and i cant see any delay input or feel it for that matter. Ialso use my headset on the controller which gives me loud sound which I need. If i use USB A or USB C on the ps5 the sound is lower.. Any suggestions?
Hi, I was wondering if the normal dual sense controller has the same input delay under 1 ms as the Edge for call of duty games and for the new MW3? I don’t want to waste money on the edge if the normal dual sense controller and the edge both have the same input delay or is the Edge faster? I only play competitive call of duty I would appreciate your feedback!
I just got my Edge today, plugged it in the pc and had 0.5 ms on ds4windows off the rip (plugged in with the braided wire it came with). Dont think it really matters though when both can get overclocked
You're welcome! Remember that's idle delay, every game has a different priority that may cause higher input delay, but one of the fastest games is COD which is usually under 1ms from my tests.
quick question. for scuf/bb wired connection on ps5 , do you know or are you aware if the input lag is same as edge or should we use wireless for the third party controllers? i have edge but have been using battlebeaver wired in.. just curious if its same polling rate as edge or should we be using wireless ?
Hello new to the channel. Was wondering if you had similar testing/results for the xbox controller family such as the series x standard and the elite 1/2 controllers.
Hi, welcome! this test a bit old btw, new videos are accurate, I haven't tested Xbox controllers yet but planning to get them in a few months and start covering them among others.
Great video man! Thanks for doing these tests. I was wondering, do you plan on doing any tests with audio delay? I play r6 a lot, and i noticed a pretty big delay with the audio. I use 3d pulse and i always feel like the audio delay (from the screen to my headphones) is always much slower than the input delay (from my controller to the screen) and maybe you know some tips for that!
For it to be "wired" would I have to change the setting from bluetooth to usb cable in the ps5 settings or could I leave it on bluetooth but have the controller plugged in?
Nice, thanks Daniel. Your content is pretty much the essential go-to for my PS5 optimisation 👍 One question - I’ve always preferred USB connection but I’m wondering, does it make any difference if I use my DualSense controllers on USB connection but *without* actually being connected with a USB cable (basically wirelessly using the controller but on USB connection) or does the controllers have to be on USB connection *and* be directly connected to the console with USB to get the benefits of reduced input delay?
Hi thanks, if you don't select Use USB Cable on Console, it will use Bluetooth, and there will not be any changes, the delay of Bluetooth is also pretty much low, only the idle delay was lower usually, based on the game, I'd also recommend the front USB-C Port or back ports.
@@UnoriginallyOriginal lol I don’t think you understand what is the difference between wired and wireless. If you use other usb not on the console then it’s not wired at all it will use Bluetooth obviously.
It would be cool Sony can make app for Dualsense Edge controller on PC not everyone has a PlayStation 5 sorta to customize the controller & also do you think worth overclocking the Dualsense Edge controller 8,000 Polling rate?
Hey i play on pc with dsx software and my controller feels laggy as hell on warzone 2. I do have it overclocked tp the 8000 poling rate and a wired connection. Should i try running it without overclock. I was thinking maybe dsx was causing input delay but maybe its the overclock
@@ryanbridgeman6576 Hi, typically you don't need OC, what I recommend is setting the DSX as the highest priority for CPU in task manager and that'll fix the issue
So it's like an already overclocked controller on PS5. Because I'm going from PC to PS5 and find the input delay not great, the edge would be my best bet ?
With the leaks of the ps5 pro showing it will have two usb c ports in the front. Can you use a usb c to usb c cable and have the same input lag as the standard usb c to usb a?
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Hi, the cables that come with the controller support up to 1000Hz, but this video only considered idle input lag, it's not correct, check the latest videos that use a New testing method and is accurate in tests.
Hi, did you try turning Bluetooth completely off from the PlayStation settings? Since we use a wired connection on controller so there is no point of having bluetooth on…… but will there be any competitive advantage when turning bluetooth completely off? Some say it helps but am not sure.
Guys believe me when you turning off Bluetooth you will notice something like ,less delay , faster in orders try it out and believe me guys it much faster than turning Bluetooth on
Do I have lower input lag playing in PC with wireless compared to this video? I don't want to play wired cause I bought a LG c2 tô play on pc but on bed, what would you suggest?
I have a 5 metre usb extension with extra power to it. Plus the almost 2 metre from the Dualsense. 7 metres total I have the usb cross almost the entire room to the other side haha goes behind a wardrobe and under the sofa. It saves me having a cable in front of me. The cable comes from the middle of the sofa. There’s an opening.
on PC, you can use DS4, for the console, I test it from capture card + input capture and then frame counting between button presses until the reaction happens.
Hi, I did those tests for both controllers in newer videos, you can check them in this playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLfzrQ3H5ECSbtNfbSDgDDP4Y9zLuwDvUw.html
Hi, this test is too old and didn't consider many factors. for idle input delay: DualSense Edge: 1ms USB and 1.5ms avg BT DualSense: 4ms USB and 1.5ms avg BT The in-game delays are affected by many other factors that I test for each game separately nowadays.
Does the input lag increase if you have a headset plugged into the aux port of the controller? Is it better to use a usb headset or it doesn't matter? Also can we use the usb c port on the ps5 to connect the controller or is it better to use the usb a port on the ps5? Thanks
Hi, I don't have this game yet, I'd recommend to try this new EQ and adjust Low/bass a little to get what you like: th-cam.com/video/zeL9AMu6b0M/w-d-xo.html
Hi, Apex now supports 120Hz on PS5, I haven't made input lag tests to confirm, but in other 120Hz games, the difference is typically less than 3ms, in my opinion, it's not worth $200 for 1-3ms lower input lag.
Thank you for your test, but I want to know why the result I got on other TH-cam channels is that dualsense is different from other controllers, its Bluetooth input lag is smaller than wired connection, and you and this video blogger get two very different results.th-cam.com/video/ahsO5bhBUtk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kQsCK6K9IGFiWzlg
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hi do the back ports make a difference with delay? since the back ports are super speed 10gbps ports rather than the normal one at the front wouldn’t it be faster
@@reshzed4874 Hi, from the tests I made, no, even the USB 2 port in the front has the same delay (at least in 2 games I tested)
@@DanielZH 60fps game? thx
@@DanielZH you should get a 10gbps 100w usb c to usb c cable and test it see if there’s a difference
@@reshzed4874 The controller does not use such speed from the USB port which you can check on the PC and the data rate is under 400Mb/s so a typical USB 2.1 is more than enough for it, yet the latency was the same from USB 3.2 on the PC
Hi man, first of all great video! Very effective way of measering. But for static reasons you need atleast 8 data points. Preferbly even 10. And within these small numbers that could result in a few milliseconds more or less on the final number.
Thanks for the info, I'll consider that for the next time to do at least 10 test and an average for all.
Thanks for the video
Upgraded my busted standard dualsense for the release of Street Fighter 6, then had an heart attack because I forgot to check how the edge performed delay wise
This puts me at ease, so thanks for your work
Glad it helped!
I’ve been somewhat seriously testing both controllers on Uncharted 4 Multiplayer and the response time and latency seem to virtually be the same on the basic buttons, around 23 ms for both. The Edge has the advantage with the trigger stops and deadzones but a huge downside for me is that the control sticks for the edge seem to be less stable(more sensitive) and feel more flimsy. 🤷🏻♂️
I don't think if sticks are different overall but thanks for the info I'll check it when I want to make a review for it!
Thanks a lot for making this video. Appreciate the scientific approach!
My pleasure! here's the 2024 Test in 10 Games: th-cam.com/video/hSgz8o_aS5Q/w-d-xo.html
Hi Daniel!
I read that a USB Type-C to Type-C cable reduces the input delay of the DualSense even more, compared to a USB Type-A to Type-C cable. Is this true? Can you do some tests?
Thank you for your work 😊
Greetings from Italy! 🙃
Hi, thanks, as far as I can test (down to 1 ms) both are under 1 ms of idle delay, so I can't be sure if one is faster, but if you feel it is, so it might be! my tools currently can go down to 1ms measurement but from there it becomes unreliable.
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I’m very confused before you said to disable Bluetooth then in another video you said don’t disable it what should I do I’m on ps5 and I turned off Bluetooth on the system and play wired should I play wired with Bluetooth enabled or disabled thank you
Hi, a new video regarding this for 10 different games with a new method of testing coming in a few days, stay tuned!
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Idont know if this still stands for the ps5, i use wireless and i cant see any delay input or feel it for that matter. Ialso use my headset on the controller which gives me loud sound which I need. If i use USB A or USB C on the ps5 the sound is lower.. Any suggestions?
Hi, I was wondering if the normal dual sense controller has the same input delay under 1 ms as the Edge for call of duty games and for the new MW3? I don’t want to waste money on the edge if the normal dual sense controller and the edge both have the same input delay or is the Edge faster? I only play competitive call of duty I would appreciate your feedback!
Hi, when using Bluetooth, both of them have a similar delay in COD, when using cable, the edge is a little faster (about 3ms).
I just got my Edge today, plugged it in the pc and had 0.5 ms on ds4windows off the rip (plugged in with the braided wire it came with). Dont think it really matters though when both can get overclocked
Maybe not much on PC, but on PS5, every game has different priority, sometimes Bluetooth is +30ms delay, so that matters on PS5.
Top bro keep up
Thanks 👍
0.5 ms is insane in comparison with the xbox elite 2 that is at ~8 ms. Thank you for the video!
You're welcome! Remember that's idle delay, every game has a different priority that may cause higher input delay, but one of the fastest games is COD which is usually under 1ms from my tests.
quick question. for scuf/bb wired connection on ps5 , do you know or are you aware if the input lag is same as edge or should we use wireless for the third party controllers? i have edge but have been using battlebeaver wired in.. just curious if its same polling rate as edge or should we be using wireless ?
Hello new to the channel. Was wondering if you had similar testing/results for the xbox controller family such as the series x standard and the elite 1/2 controllers.
Hi, welcome! this test a bit old btw, new videos are accurate, I haven't tested Xbox controllers yet but planning to get them in a few months and start covering them among others.
Great video man! Thanks for doing these tests.
I was wondering, do you plan on doing any tests with audio delay? I play r6 a lot, and i noticed a pretty big delay with the audio. I use 3d pulse and i always feel like the audio delay (from the screen to my headphones) is always much slower than the input delay (from my controller to the screen) and maybe you know some tips for that!
Thanks, I have a video specifically for Audio delay with Pulse 3D Here: th-cam.com/video/oQaVHUijMAE/w-d-xo.html
What's r6?
@@DanielZH thanks!
@@holamoco Rainbow Six Siege
If you don’t want delay do not buy Bluetooth headphones. I have 2.4ghz wireless headphones and no delay at all.
Hii, I have been subscribed for a while, any recommendation for the dual sense edge for destiny 2? Which dead zone/sens you recommend?
Hi, I haven't tested that game to have specific settings!
For it to be "wired" would I have to change the setting from bluetooth to usb cable in the ps5 settings or could I leave it on bluetooth but have the controller plugged in?
Which USB port are you using? The 2 in the back or the 1 in the front? And which USB connection (front/back) has the lowest input latency???
Hi, I used Type C front port last time, but even the USB 2 port has the same delay. no problem
Very good video so now you gonna drop the video for rainbow six siege, right
Thanks, next video is Edge settings for 8 games and it'll cover rainbow six too!
Nice, thanks Daniel. Your content is pretty much the essential go-to for my PS5 optimisation 👍
One question - I’ve always preferred USB connection but I’m wondering, does it make any difference if I use my DualSense controllers on USB connection but *without* actually being connected with a USB cable (basically wirelessly using the controller but on USB connection) or does the controllers have to be on USB connection *and* be directly connected to the console with USB to get the benefits of reduced input delay?
Hi thanks, if you don't select Use USB Cable on Console, it will use Bluetooth, and there will not be any changes, the delay of Bluetooth is also pretty much low, only the idle delay was lower usually, based on the game, I'd also recommend the front USB-C Port or back ports.
@@UnoriginallyOriginal lol I don’t think you understand what is the difference between wired and wireless. If you use other usb not on the console then it’s not wired at all it will use Bluetooth obviously.
@@Vitorfernandes83 Hi, I know that now. Thanks for taking the time to reply to my 9 month old comment.
It would be cool Sony can make app for Dualsense Edge controller on PC not everyone has a PlayStation 5 sorta to customize the controller & also do you think worth overclocking the Dualsense Edge controller 8,000 Polling rate?
Hi, you can use DSX application which is around $ 7 USD on steam which gives you great options! and no, with a USB cable doesn't worth it.
@@DanielZH it’s not worth overclocking the controller?
@@zlltumuertellz5168 not for me, but maybe it does for you!
Hey i play on pc with dsx software and my controller feels laggy as hell on warzone 2. I do have it overclocked tp the 8000 poling rate and a wired connection. Should i try running it without overclock. I was thinking maybe dsx was causing input delay but maybe its the overclock
@@ryanbridgeman6576 Hi, typically you don't need OC, what I recommend is setting the DSX as the highest priority for CPU in task manager and that'll fix the issue
Hey Danial, do you have any suggestions to fix stick drift on the stock ps5 controller, I'm trying to avoid buying another one. Thanks.
Hi yes! it would cost around $6 - $20 at highest price, here's how: th-cam.com/video/4OPxZ_UFA6w/w-d-xo.html
So we just connect a usb cable to the dualsense controller? Do we need to change communication method to usb cable too or leave it at Bluetooth?
Hi, you need to change it to USB in the settings.
@@DanielZH thank you for swift reply!
@@SeanDiamondex You're welcome!
Have you done any testing of using a USB-C to USB-C cable with the controller? I wonder if it will transfer data even faster.
@@Shinnbone13 Hi, that test was with USB 3 ports, which has similar output as Type-C for Edge, USB 2 port is a bit slower.
So it's like an already overclocked controller on PS5. Because I'm going from PC to PS5 and find the input delay not great, the edge would be my best bet ?
Hi, as far as I tested in multiple games, Edge has less input delay in all cases, so yeah it's faster overall.
@@DanielZHThanks for the fast response.
I’m mainly playing Call Of Duty and coming from PC , PS5 has a massive controller input delay.
@@maxlotte Compared to PC, yes, however COD is one of the games that has really low input lag for controller in 120Hz mode.
With the leaks of the ps5 pro showing it will have two usb c ports in the front. Can you use a usb c to usb c cable and have the same input lag as the standard usb c to usb a?
Hi, the slim also has 2 Type C but one is USB 2 not USB 3, yet all ports are fast enough when it comes to controllers
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So should i use my ps5 controller with or without cable for the lowest input lag
depends on the game, I answered your question in the other video.
Did you use high speed usb 3.2 gen 2 cable or just the usb cable that you get with the controllers?
Hi, the cables that come with the controller support up to 1000Hz, but this video only considered idle input lag, it's not correct, check the latest videos that use a New testing method and is accurate in tests.
It wouldn’t make any difference. You’re not transferring big data at all.
Hi, did you try turning Bluetooth completely off from the PlayStation settings? Since we use a wired connection on controller so there is no point of having bluetooth on…… but will there be any competitive advantage when turning bluetooth completely off? Some say it helps but am not sure.
I'm not sure if that would make any difference, I'll test it in the upcoming Edge videos.
Guys believe me when you turning off Bluetooth you will notice something like ,less delay , faster in orders try it out and believe me guys it much faster than turning Bluetooth on
Thanks I'll check it@@xNNef
@@DanielZH is this true?
Do I have lower input lag playing in PC with wireless compared to this video? I don't want to play wired cause I bought a LG c2 tô play on pc but on bed, what would you suggest?
I have a 5 metre usb extension with extra power to it. Plus the almost 2 metre from the Dualsense. 7 metres total I have the usb cross almost the entire room to the other side haha goes behind a wardrobe and under the sofa. It saves me having a cable in front of me. The cable comes from the middle of the sofa. There’s an opening.
How is the input delay only .5ms? Does the dualsense edge come with a 2000hz polling rate?
0.5ms is the idle its usually around 0.65ms, and I don't know about that rate but it is as fast...
Hello, I wonder what the upper right delay display program or overlay is like :D
Hi, that's DS4 windows showing the input delay of controller to the PC.
Sooo, for Fc 25 ia better dual sense on bluetooth or on USB-C?
Hi, please check the latest updated results here: th-cam.com/video/hSgz8o_aS5Q/w-d-xo.html
When playing with my communications method wired, does it matter if I use the front or back usb port? I'm a little ocd lol
Based on the latest test I made, no, it doesn't matter.
For the cable part where u putting the setting on USB cable ON in the settings ?
Yes
In controller settings
yeah dont know why but my dual edge bluetooth make the internet slower than the standard PS5 controller's bluetooth
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BTW the updated 2024 tests are here: th-cam.com/video/hSgz8o_aS5Q/w-d-xo.html
Should i turn off bleuttoth completly or just change it from bleutooth to cable I hope u understand me
Changing to cable is enough.
What software do you use to get the input delay?
on PC, you can use DS4, for the console, I test it from capture card + input capture and then frame counting between button presses until the reaction happens.
So if i play on ps5 using the dualsense edge, is it better if i use it wired? Or both are the same
Wired seems to have less delay than Bluetooth overall.
can you make a part 2 playing e sports title like fortnite and warzone?
and tell a difference
Hi, I did those tests for both controllers in newer videos, you can check them in this playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLfzrQ3H5ECSbtNfbSDgDDP4Y9zLuwDvUw.html
Hi was this done with usb c or regular usb?
Hi, this test is too old and didn't consider many factors.
for idle input delay:
DualSense Edge: 1ms USB and 1.5ms avg BT
DualSense: 4ms USB and 1.5ms avg BT
The in-game delays are affected by many other factors that I test for each game separately nowadays.
So what is best for Fortnite as as you know ?
@@DanielZH so what is best for Fortnite as as you know also should I disable Bluetooth when playing wired
Hello I play fc24 on ps5 can u give me monitor that have low input delay ? At least 144 hz that have low input lag also at 60 hz? (Fifa run on 60 hz)
Hi, how much is the budget? I'd recommend checking Rtings.com for Monitors for PS5. they have great articles to check on.
@DanielZH thanks but I don't know what to look for there..monitor for ps5..or monitor with low input lag..
@DanielZH I mean which keys word i use? Monitor low input lag rtings or monitor ps5 rtings..?
Is the different also on ps5 or just pc
This is on PS5, PC is being used to count frames and Count ms, the connection is on the PS5
@@DanielZH thank you brother
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I will make that in future soon
Does the input lag increase if you have a headset plugged into the aux port of the controller? Is it better to use a usb headset or it doesn't matter?
Also can we use the usb c port on the ps5 to connect the controller or is it better to use the usb a port on the ps5? Thanks
hi i need setting 3d for cyberbank
Hi, I don't have this game yet, I'd recommend to try this new EQ and adjust Low/bass a little to get what you like: th-cam.com/video/zeL9AMu6b0M/w-d-xo.html
I have Elgato HD60X capture card, does the capture card really cause input delay for the controller?
Not for the controller, I was recording the screen that's why I considered it when testing
@@DanielZH Ah okay, thanks! Awesome video btw, I love the analysis you do for ps5, haven't seen anyone else do it!
So for apex is there input delay very decreases with this controller like is it even worth the 200 on ps5 for apex
Hi, Apex now supports 120Hz on PS5, I haven't made input lag tests to confirm, but in other 120Hz games, the difference is typically less than 3ms, in my opinion, it's not worth $200 for 1-3ms lower input lag.
Thank you for your test, but I want to know why the result I got on other TH-cam channels is that dualsense is different from other controllers, its Bluetooth input lag is smaller than wired connection, and you and this video blogger get two very different results.th-cam.com/video/ahsO5bhBUtk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kQsCK6K9IGFiWzlg