AMG M113K VS M156 Showdown
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- In this video review, I will compare the Mercedes-AMG M156 6.3 engine to the M113K 5.5 Kompressor engine and see which is best. I will look at technology & design, sound, performance, and reliability before concluding with which of these two engines is best in my opinion. The M156 was in cars like the C63, E63, and CLK63 while the M113k was in the E55 and SL55.
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I’ve owned both. Here is my completely unbiased opinion. Owned a 2014 C63 in Steel Gray, sexiest color for that car with some black 507 accents. The sound was unparalleled, had Mike’s Power Pipe replacing the secondaries and resonator and the thing just sounded like a PISSED off lion roaring. It legit scared the hell out of people on cold startups and down blips. The power was perfect and much more linear, though had some violent grunts to it on a nice 2nd gear goose. Amazing motor, the M156 was certainly go down as not only one of the best sounding NA V8 motors ever produced by any manufacturer, but the intrinsic characteristics of that motor are made out of pure automotive engineering genius.
I am on my third 2006 E55 as my daily driver. Yes, you read it right, third E55. My only two regrets in 39 years is selling my first E55, then selling my second one. Only two regrets. The M113K is hands down the pinnacle of AMG engineering in my sincerest humble opinion. Every thing this motor does is done with with perfectionist ideals. The low end torque is intoxicating, and legendary. And in 2003 when they were first released, was mind boggling power from a four door family sedan. There was no competition for that motor in a family hauler. Period. I never forget the faces of that Vette owner or loud Mustang that pulls up thinking “I’m gonna dog this AMG” and I walked away. There isn’t much that compares to ear to ear grin the M113K motor does, especially with a smaller pulley, headers, and tune. It surprises SO many people. It’s reliable and you can beat on it daily- I know countless M113K owners that are well over 250K miles and going strong. It is a godly motor that will go down as AMG legend. It’ll be talked about more than just about the best motors ever produced to date and in the future…
Both King Kong motors!
And for what it’s worth, I sold my 2014 C63 for my current 2006 E55 …
What's a good mileage to purchase an E55 at?
@@AS-rg3dd as low as possible bro, but they're pretty good regardless of how many miles has been put on it.
Where are you getting your info from?
Really appreciate your experience with these two legends cars, thanks million
Bought my 2004 CL55 in 2010 and will never sell it
This is the kind of automotive content TH-cam needs. No bs, just information
Word!!! 🙌
Yep
100%!
From owning both a C63 and now an E55, there's nothing that can replicate the sound of the M156, but nothing beats the power that the M113K makes (also better reliability FTW!)
Wait power of M113K?
I mean M156 an be upgraded to 1000Hp...
@@joe125ful If you throw the bank at it maybe. But in that case you can make 1000hp of a 2L Toyota engine too.
@@BigUriel Ofcourse but you must know price of those cars back in days..
How much cost legendary C63 AMG?90-100k probablly and spending next 15-20k to get twinturbo seems not that much.
@@joe125ful It would have been much easier and cheaper to simply change the pulley and heat exchanger on a 55K and get 700+hp.
And of course if you're going with custom builds you could twin turbo the 55K too.
@@BigUriel you will not get 700hp from simple pulley and tune, m113k needs a lot of work to push over 650whp
The M156 has the insane exhaust sound but the M113K has the amazing supercharger sound.
The real world driveability of the M113K is unparalleled and it's known as the most reliable performance engine of the modern era.
Am I the only person that loves the oil pump noise?
Nope i love it too (every morning)😂
@@christianhorn8811you don’t hear it when got use to 😂
It is music to my ears also.
This and the working camshafts noise really make the engine more engine-like, imo.
Its M113k love 😊
That oil pump whine on the M113 makes me feel like I'm at home... I love those motors.
I’d have to go m113k all the time. When I was young and broke, the e55 was my dream car but cost sooooo much. Now, I own one as my daily driver and it’s perfect. Space for four plus luggage, comfy seats, excellent hvac … and more power than anyone ever needs on the street.
Mine is a very early car and she turns 20 in January 2023. Powertrain is still like new.
M156 takes the cake for me. Its just so unique and legendary theres just no other choice
In the case of legendary I would advise m62 v10 from bmw then.
@@yevgeniyshawyer2767 thats an s85
The M113k is just phenomenal. I have it in my 2010 G55 AMG, on and off road it sounds amazing and performs beautifully.
Did you have to do anything different to make it work with that model since it was a different motor?
My M113k has the best reliability of any car engine I have ever owned, and I have owned quite a few of them over the years. Everything from big American V8s to European engines that run the gamut from the Mercedes V8 I have now through Porsche 6s, turbocharged Saab 4s, and everything in between. Out of them all, my Mercedes M113k is undoubtedly the best, and I have been waiting for a very long time to own and enjoy this superb engine. From where I sit, in the driver's seat, this engine is especially great after it has been supercharged by the wizards at AMG. I have never found a performance engine that puts out the horsepower and torque this M113k engine does with the reliability that makes it entirely trustworthy. With an M113k sitting in my favourite body style, the CL 55 AMG, makes a winning combination for me that I have been searching for since the year 2000 when I first saw the Formula 1 safety car. Locating a low mileage example with a complete service history has taken me nearly a quarter of a century but was ultimately worth all of my efforts. My car is fabulous with all of the power and beauty I could ever require from an automobile. I hope anyone reading this is as fortunate as I have been and can attain their own automotive dreams. Safe driving to you all!
My MB mechanic, after telling him I'm thinking of getting an AMG, excitedly recommended the reliability of the M112, M113 and M113K engines, full🛑.
m156 is about 20 percent cooler
@@w204mikull i'd say i like both of them cuz why not?
My C32 with 140k miles runs like a top, even with an oil change needing to be done asap 🫣
Still clocking 5.2 to 60 even with ESP on
@@calx116 oh they both are awesome. All AMGs are my favorite vehicles. M156 feels racecar raw though. the transmission its paired with also makes downshifts way more badass than the 722.6 5speed found in the m113(k) cars. at certain rpms you can consistently get it to backfire on the stock exhaust setup which is very very cool.
@@w204mikull escept for the new v8
I love the M113 from my CLK55. It doesn’t have the power of the M113K, or the DOHC design of the M156, but it has reliability even beyond both.
Same, I have 2x 113 and a 113k, the NA 113 is a great motor, and very fun!
Most definitely a great engine
I have a M113 swapped into my manual W202. I don't even feel like I need the M113K.
Isn't the M113K engine (especially the one in the W211 chassis) known for being quite reliable as well? Like, there were some examples beyond 200k miles. There was even a W211 E55 noted to do around 400k miles. Like, I've heard that the M113K is paired to the famously bulletproof 722.9 transmission.
@@rahulmandala4930 Yep I have one, they're very reliable! Just a few more cooling components and that big supercharger. Not much else to go wrong over the NA version. And yep you mean the 722.6 bulletproof 5 speed. The 722.9 is not as bulletproof but still a good box.
I have a W204 C63 AMG performance from 2013. Had the car since 2016. Only a single owner before me. I have had one issue (light bulb change). Other than that service every year at Mercedes in my home town. Not a single beat was missed in my 6 years of ownership. I only drive small trips all the time. When the engine oil is 100 degrees celcius, I give it FULL beans every time I drive. Oil change every 2000 km.
Every 2000kms sounds quite early? I would think 5-7k kms would be good?
@@bdmxh He stated that he drives it enthusiastically, yet he's responsible enough to change the oil that early which is the best thing you can do to avoid cam wear and anything else that could go wrong. Not to mention, doing 2k oil changes does allow you the opportunity to test your oil more often to check for inconsistencies(High amounts of certain metals can point to bearing failure, cam failure, and really can pick up on anything).
I have an n54 335i fbo, a f15 x5 with the twin turbo V8, stock, and just bought a 04 s55amg to daily. Every car I have has over 400hp ( 400 motor hp... Each might have over 400 wheel also 🤷🏿♂️) the Benz is pretty much the slowest of the 3. But it's such a great engine, it has turned me from a BMW guy to a Benz guy. The craziest part about the s55amg is it handles about as good as my 335i. My 335i has coilovers, aftermarket control arms, aftermarket sway bars, M3 pieces also. The ABC suspension along with m113k made me a believer. BMW doesn't even look good to me anymore. Glad I lucked up on finding this gem!
Always bro... S55 is a gem
The m113 is the LS of the euro world, it's bin around since 97 and they swap them into BMW's to make drift cars in Russia. It's very tuner friendly, with a lot of Supercharger kits even made for LS/Coyote motors. There's manual kits for 350z trans, and LS aftermarket fuel rails.
Here's a e55 with stock blower/cooling mods/ e550 throttle body/ headers, and nitrous.
m.th-cam.com/video/zqrc2aaUZII/w-d-xo.html 16:30
Absolutely love my N/A M113 5.4. May not be supercharged but she sounds so good, makes some brutal power too. And such a beast of a car.
Agreed i just grab a c55 engine to swap into my sl500
I believed to be one of the lucky people to buy a 2005 S55 AMG in black color. I bought this car almost 5 months back and it clocked only 46500 total miles. After purchase I changed engine oil, all belts, transmission oil + filter, ABC oil. It is always a MONSTER. Everybody makes way for me whenever I am on the road. When I hit the throttle it always put a smile on my face. Also, a great pride when people stare at your car :-) I love this M113K. When finalized to buy an AMG I was only looking for this engine. Almost after hunting one and half months I got this gem. Only go for this M113K engines brothers..!!
I bought mine 3yrs. Ago with 97k miles
Paid $3k with blown ABC.
What did your prestine example fetch ?
@@lop8828 I live in New Zealand and I paid NZD 30,000
As wonderful as the M156 sounds, the M113K indeed is the best one in the real world. It's impossible to ignore the torque-based effortless performance it delivers, and which fits a Merc. And, nevertheless, it also produces quite nice sounds as well.
5:05 every morning that sound is like therapy to my ears
The best video I have ever seen on these two engines.I am really considering getting an E55 after my graduation and your videos about these cars are phenomenal!Keep it up🙌
Very good job on comparison 👏 and I'm glad you mentioned Tasos in your video. He is really knowledgeable in AMG community
Great video as always! I love these older Mercedes models. They really have something special not present anymore in modern AMGs
Exactly I own a 05 E55 AMG and that fact that it keeps up with modern cars of now is amazing I will never sell it 😊
M113 in the C55 all the way. Apart from the typical valve cover and RMS leaks, it has been bullet proof. very smooth, and loves to rev - especially on 100 octane fuel.
Can't beat the sound of the M156, but the reliability issues are just a bit too tough on the wallet
"This is the kind of automotive content TH-cam needs. No bs, just information" To the point with few words.!! I can only agree with this statement
Superb and highly detailed comparison, loved it!
Another excellent Video short and concise, Keep them coming AMG Meister!!!!!
I love this chanel! You'r videos are clean if you know what i mean, with a lot of knowledge and information! Keep up!👊🏾
As an e55 owner the biggest thing that bothers me about the 13k is the operation noise. My car is very healthy and well maintained but it’s just very clicky and whirry at idle. I’ve gotten better now that I’ve owned the car for a while, but I used to always freak out that something was wrong, especially the loud oil pump on startup. Very impressive how quiet the m156 is at idle.
That is normal 😂 especially in winters. I recently got cls55 but my daily is w204 and in -16-20 it’s very interesting noises on every car 😂 Normal car dude 👍
@@sikais17 hows the cls55. i want to get one myself. how many miles does it have
Maybe the noise from the other pump, try to take off the belt then listen the noise. Alternate, Power steering pump, other puleys, even the power steering pipe touched the subframe can make the noise. The S55 AMG is a quiet and comfortable car.
I cannot compare the two engines, but can relate my own experience with the M113k in my 2007 SL55. It has the larger 82mm throttle body as stock and I added a smaller supercharger pulley at first, but in the Texas Summer heat it did have some issues after full throttle acceleration. I did purchase the Bosch 010 intercooler pump and an aftermarket 125% larger intercooler that my mechanic was able to install over the original intercooler (now have two intercoolers) and that has made a world of difference on full throttle acceleration. I do like the exhaust sound of the M156 and heard the C63 mufflers could help, but that is another project. Love all your postings and keep them coming.
Hey, Tasos. Another great channel.
BTW, great video.
I have an old E55 Estate (or wagon) (W210 / S210 chassis) it has an NA M113, what's noteworthy about this is it has 240k miles on it. Neither the engine or the transmission have had to be rebuilt yet. I've had the car 12 years and it was cheap, very cheap. Been an amazing bargain. It's still quicker than 99% of the cars on the road and can haul some serious payload
Clearly the m113k. Supercharged reliable v8
Excellent review clear concise and great photos and videos
Brilliant video dude you've got some talent 👏 👌 🙌 😎
We have an 08 s63 amg we the 6.3 and she's now got 106k and going strong put a trans in at 102 but other than that she's still rocking. I enjoy it! Great video I love all the info!
a very well done video i really enjoyed it good work!
I've owned a 2006 CLS55, and a 2009 CLS63, after installing long tube headers and upgrading intake and throttle body, I haven't looked back, the sound alone sells me on the 63.
I loved the powerband of the m113k, but the sound and torque of the m156 is unrivaled. Absolutely my all time favorite AMG motor
Thank u for these infos I will show to my dad and see what he needs to know on his E55 thank u!
Great comparison!!! Thanks!
M113K is literally built like a tank, It is so easy to extract more power from it and I just think it's hella underrated. Yes the M156 creates more thunder and is the more fun engine to thrash around in, but M113K is the one to own.
As always, Thanks for the details 🤝🏼
Being an cls55 owner with a smaller pulley 77mm apart from struggling with belt slip mid power (needs a belt wrap kit) the tune and pulley made it so aggressive from the off but it’s also done over 300 mile round trips on less then a tank
Some pounds spent on getting bits upto my standard but 16 years old power and style isn’t out of place today in fact they look better then most modern saloons
That black SL63 was spectacular on video. That's the thing- the M156 was installed in better overall cars like the 2009+ W211 and 2009+ R230. They didn't overlap production.
I have an E55, the M113K torque is amazing. Having said that I really want a M156 car as well even though the w211 E63 I drove felt slower it had a totally different feel.
100% agree on this video. Owning an m156 at the moment and it's had many issues that were listed, all being fixed by warranty. Had the car fixed for many many months but when it works oh boy does it being a smile to your face.
Honest and fair review. I’ve owned my 2005 SL55 (performance pack model) from new. The 113 remains the best road engine I have ever driven! 💪
I *just* bought a C32 AMG wagon with the supercharged V6. It's a hell of a treat to go back to supercharged engines after a bunch of M113k cars before moving to Germany. The charger whine and performance mods pulled me back yet again.
Im a fan of the C32, SLK32 i wouldnt mind having one. Torquey little supercharged V6
I love the NFS: High Stakes car menu music... So chill
You've made my S55 a happy car today. Thank you.
I bought my E55 a a few months ago and I'm absolutely in love with it. The only other Mercedes I've owned/own is a 2.3 16V 190E so this is my first AMG. I can't think of another car that gives you this level of comfort and power for the price. I'm throwing a Whipple, bigger injectors, and E85 at it this winter.
Excellent video and it’s always nice to see your cars, they’re amazingly clean. The only disappointment was you didn’t show what that SL55 did the 1/4 mile in.
That video was 10.1 at 138 mph. However that video is like 4 years old. The same car is now further modified and just ran a 9.46 at 147 mph this year.
thank you for such an informative video!
Glad to see Tasos the AMG Master Mechanic 🤌💖✌️
Love your Channel
Man if the m113 had the 7 spread transmission wow
Dammmm this a good video big fat thumbs up 👍👍👍👍
its M156/ E63 AMG for me hands down, the comfort and facelift style + Monster sound + performance there is no comparison.
I love my M113k. It has never let me down.
Of course M113К. Have it in my cls55 AMG IWC.
M156 for me. Sound and excitement. And displacement.
When you get used to M113K's torque and then try any M156 (in my case 2010 E63) they just feel soooo underpowered compare to M113K in my E55. Yes its shifts way better with 7G, yes the sounds is stupid good, and yes the car overall is better but when you really push tuned E55 its ridiculous how powerful that car can be.I love M156 but for adrenalin rush E55 is just better...
feels underpowered compared to what, tuned 113k or stock?
@@theotherchannel2028 both
When the supercharged E55 and SL55 came out in 2002 the 2002 S600 V12 twin turbo was alot quicker and it was a non AMG car the E55 and SL55 where slow compared to it 😬😬😬
@@YUSKHAN it was not a lot quicker , actually it was not quicker at all..I actually drove 05 S600 plenty of times , its a very calm stress free engine and it goes very well but not like M113K , and i’m talking a out stock M113K in E55, not to mention pne with just a level up smaller pulley, it would play circles around it.
@@YUSKHAN + in 2002 there was no V12 twin turbo. It was 5.8 N/A V12
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Amazing comparison video. Thank you with help my dilemma. I will choose a CLS55 AMG with M113😎🙏
Great video. I have a 09 g55 and always thought the156 wasn’t up to the task and so Mercedes skipped putting it in the g63. I love the m311k
Got to be the m113k hands down
Great video! I love my M156 CLK63, but I want an E55 Wagon
Anyone who details their engine/bay like i do, probly got chill bumps watching this video. Great video.
Please do a vid on c450s/c43 i love your content man
W211 for the win just absolutely gorgeous 😍 ❤
Love the channel. And this is a great review. I own an sl55 and was wondering if I need to flush the supercharger oil on occasion. I’m told not to but wanted your expert opinion. Thx
M113K all day long for me. Easy to work on, very reliable engine.
Great video. Thank you.
Excellent video. I've owned both and agree with everything in this video
Have good memories with the CLS55, when I was a kid in 2005 my uncle had one in black I used to think it sounded cool and was quick but didn’t realise how quick. Then one day I remember we were driving on the motorway, and a Ferrari 360 M pulled up and dropped a gear my uncle floored it and this pretty red Ferrari was going backwards. That was the day I fell in love with AMG’s - sadly they’re going downhill a bit but least now at 26 I’ve got my own 2008 CLS63 1st Gen (thank you depreciation)
Still love my 08' SL55 I've had for years. Comfortable. The engine is great; the trans is a typical slush box.
Loved my CLS 55 for 10 years.
Great info thanks to all! I'm looking for a new vehicle and I found a very nice 2010 ML63. Not knowing a lot about this vehicle I started my research. I'm looking to keep it stock and honestly it's the features I like as the ML350 isn't as loaded. It's a great looking machine but I don't want a money pit either. Thanks for giving me an idea of what to look for!
W211 for the WIN!! I loved mine (not an AMG, but my first Benz) Lost it in a hit & run by a jerk in a Prius... Still suffering from that loss!! I WILL have another W211!
Great video. I purchased a brand new C63 AMG back in August of 09. Prior to that I had a new C6 Z06. I found the AMG engine to be very refined in every way. Both cars were fast but the AMG V8 sounded so good and it was so smooth. I did long tube headers on the C63 AMG, air filters and a tune and it was a beast, I couldn't believe the torque and top end. On the other hand , I am very familiar with the E55 AMG, I have 3 friends with ones, they are also quick but the transmission is a total missmatch to the car, the gearing is too long and the shifting is slow.
The long gearing has a lot of top end above 100, My E55 once it shifts into 4th gear it accelerates like a 700 hp car would.
Learned a lot thnx 🙏
I love my 07 SL55 and the M113K under its hood. The torque is just nuts 🙂
Love my C63 with the M156!
This has always been a m113k channel. 90% of his subscribers are m113k owners and never been in a m156 engine car, so of course most people on this video including the channel owner will say the m113k is better.
The m156 is n/a engine with 500+ horsepower which was unheard of when it came out. We're comparing the torque of a n/a engine vs a force induction engine but at the same time the m156 is quicker to 60, even though the m113k might feel quicker off the line. Then we have the huge transmission difference, that 5 speed is beyond sluggish, especially compared to the quicker speed shift 7 speed. Then the m113k is so weather driven, it's performance is based on the weather, whereas the m156 n/a engine performs pretty much the same during any condition. Let's not talk about heat soaking, and engine smoothness, the m113k is so rough, raw and performs inconsistent compared to the m156. The only advantage the m113k truly have over the m156 is the modding potential and yes it's more reliable because the engine is way less technical and is basic.
Well said!!!!
Nice video with good layout
The supercharger clutch typically doesn’t become an issue once warm. When cold it’s awful!
I regularly drive a ‘55 300 Sc, a ‘71 280 se 3.5 (the civilized brother of the red pig) that my father left me and my ‘13 C63, i find each one delightful in their own way. They always were and still are the absolute best. As to best sounding? There is nothing like the throaty roar of a properly cured inline 6 with mechanical injection. The same one that powers the legendary Gullwing.
best video men best video 👌🏻
That e55 is very well kept , beautiful :)
Love an M157
Thank you. Nice video
Love my M113K E55! But both are great!
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For me the M113K is the better engine, because 1. I swore never to buy a car with NA engine again after having been disappointed with multiple other V8 cars, 2. I like to modify my cars and the parts and upgrades for M113K cars are actually pretty cheap in the US (AMG spare parts are actually also much cheaper in the US than for example in Germany!), 3. seemed like a much more reliable choice and I am not worried at all about running cost and maintenance. E55 AMG all the way!
Great video to add fuel to the fire of a debate that will never end :)
After owning several of both, however, I'll stick with the best one: The Mighty M156.
M156 vs M157 next. Just bought my first M157 yesterday 👍🏽😁(13’ E63) upgraded from M113K E55
very well done video sir
Was worried my 2006 CLS AMG would loose this one!
Thanks so much Sir happy safe weekend
Amazing video
Great video as always!
but I want to know the soundtrack name the "NFS" one "at the end of the video :)
My 1st MB was a SL55. Loved that car. The M113 engine is one of the best!
the sound comparison is biased i love the grunt of the 113k. I have a 113 s500 and am saving for the sl55. i hope its a big power jump :)