Legendary Engines: The Mercedes / AMG M113 (And M113K) - The Versatile V8
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- Introduced in the 1990s, the Mercedes Benz M113 is an engine which saw service in a huge variety of vehicles. From the compact C class, up to the G-Wagen, the M113 had anything from 280hp to 650bhp at its disposal, and featured a host of innovations.
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M113k was the main reason ive bought e55amg ....happy as hell ...torque and subtle roar is fantastic
Not to mention the M113K's tremendous tuning potential, you can do a whole series on the alone!
MTX MOTORS absolutely yes they’re an integral part of our business
This engine is a little sweetheart in my C55.
The M113K in my e55 amg wagon is just insane. It feels like thor's hammer compared to any other v8 I have ever experienced.
LS3?
@@schoumv6 nah bro prefer German V8s 💪🏼
@@schoumv6 If you want to see why the M113K and the LS3 are very different experiences, look up the their respective torque curves 😀 The LS3 has the same shape of curve of most N/A engines, where it builds, and builds, and builds, then tapers off and falls to the red line. The M113K creates so much torque at very low revs that there is no smooth curve, it's like a step function shortly after idle, that then barely diminishes all the way to red-line.
Result? The engine always feels potent, you rarely have those "ah, if only I'd been in the right gear" moments.
I have one too! 😎
I feel the same when i drive e 55 amg 2004
Thors Hammer 👍👍👍
I had a 2006 C55. It had one BIG problem. I wouldn't keep rubber on the rear tires.
hahaha
CLK55 AMG ,,,reliable , easy to maintain ,,and so smooth when revving at high rpm..
a great GT cruiser especially when the auto transmission has been well maintained .
The C55 AMG is way underrated. Deserves more credit.
M113 is my favorite engine n/a it's just the one
Yes I have S55 AMG m113 n/a good strong 💪 engine and is fast car 530nmm torque 👌🔥🔥🔥
Yes! Thank you so much for this video. I bought a C55 about 6 months ago and there isn't enough content on the M113
I have a CLK with the 4.3. Its fun, good on gas for a v8 and very reliable. Pushing past 230k miles with nothing but basic maintenance.
I have the M113 in my W220 S55. They really are a peach of an engine, sound incredible with exhaust mods. I've got secondary cats, resonator and muffler deletes, and it really is an incredible sound.
Powerful, fairly economical when not booting it (7mpg when hammering it) and dont rev silly high which is one of the reasons it lasts and is reliable I believe.
M113 for ever 🖤🤘🏽
The M113, while in reality probably was developed with some cost-cutting in mind (compared to the M119) ended up being a surprisingly fine engine family with excellent reliability and good power. Arguably the last "great" Mercedes V8 if you take reliability into account. The M156, while a nice, big-power motor, has FAR too many reliability issues to be considered as great overall. Go watch Legit Street Cars video covering the reliability issues, a former Mercedes master mechanic talking about the snapping head bolts (later fixed), worn lifters (kinda fixed on some versions) and failing cam variators (never really fixed). M113 all day long.
Btw the way. The same engineer later went on to build the Porsche V10 .
Yes. A fantastic engine!
Just imagine it with a 7 speed DSG box, to release all of its potential.
Love my C55, and unbelievable value for such fine German engineering
I actually sought out a CLS with the M113 engine because of it's reputation as being a bulletproof V8. The later M273 5.5 V8 gives an extra 80 bhp but has timing chain issues.
and less torque
@@vincentsolito8234 No, M273 has 530 Nm, M113 has 460.
My E55 SW 2001 has 530NM
Your view of the M113 family echoes my own. Not only do they produce good power, regardless of displacement, but they are very, very solid and reliable. This includes the M113K version. I've looked at several S430's and S500's with over 300,000 miles on them. Without exception, the engines and 5-speed transmissions have remained in good, solid shape. I was really amazed. I've seen M113K engines with over 200,000 miles on them, and they're in good shape as well.
The M112 V6 version of this engine is just as reliable. I regularly see them with over 250,000 miles and still going strong.
Where I have one difference with your presentation is the 5-speed transmission and the M113K engine used in the AMG cars, at least in the S-class. The S55 AMG actually uses a strengthened version of the 5-speed transmission. That version can easily handle the M113K's torque, as it was originally designed for the Maybach 57s's 738 lb-ft (1000 N-m) and was also used on the S600 twin-turbo and S65 AMG. Other than that point, I'd say your presentation was pretty spot-on.
To my understanding the CLK 55 also had the 12 cylinder 600's transmission with added AMG speed shift.
2001 ml55 amg here and i have 260k original miles. still running great.. going to run it to the ground
So glad you mentioned the M155! The camshafts will actually fit into the M113 but it's not a straight swap; not many people have done it but it is a real badge of honour in the M113 tuning community!
There was an aftermarket supercharger kit available from Kleemann that boosted the N/A 5.0 to around 450bhp. So there are some E500s pushing around with a supercharger and the 7-speed, but obviously that's not standard.
I've had an E500 with the 7-speed for years; I'd struggle to replace it. It ticks so many boxes for me; it's quick off the mark when I need it to be, it's anonymous, it's comfy, it's economical for a V8. I can put the suspension in Sport2 and it handles well enough for fast country lanes, and in Comfort it will waft down motorways getting 30-31mpg. I've driven it at 150mph and it didn't break a sweat, at the other end of the spectrum I once did an economy drive out of curiosity and got nearly 39mpg by turning off the climate and cruising without CC at 55mph... Wouldn't want to do it all the time but you'd get just under 700 miles out of a tank! Sure, single figures if you hoon hard but you can get single figures in anything if you want.
My E500 had the 5 speed and RWD. I would’ve loved to supercharge it as it was completely bulletproof but I had other projects at the time
A great engine simple but very effective. I mated my m113 to a manual gearbox
Ooooo do tell
What gear box? Whwt car??
Got the m113k in my CLS55 AMG, makes it a jekyll and hyde car for sure. The torque is sublime. What better cars can you get for the price.
I had the M113K in my G55 AMG. Amazing engine - at 8mpg one had to really love it - but the gearbox was dreadful. At least it was indestructible.
Best v8 engine ever built. The engineers definitely took their time with this one. My e500 is at 180k miles but runs as though it were brand new
Best engine Mercedes ever made bar none.
One of the most reliable V8 engines ever made in NA form: If you actually change the oil on time and don't ruin the hydraulic lifters.
mines got 240,000 miles on it, had a cam chain and service items but nothing other than that.
My w203 c55 ! Love the sounds and feel of the m113!
Educating me every day my friend, thank you
M113 over M156. Fun and reliability don't usually come together very often!
It's basically a European LS. From a 4.3 "smallblock", to a 5.4 Supercharged. And dirt cheap. Lovely.
Love that M113K!!
This engine in an SLK is nuts. It's the most fun u can ever have,so much grunt !!!!!!
This series on engines is awesome, keep doing it !
Thanks for that. Very in f ormative. Love my C55, mainly because of the engine.
I had a M113K in my E 55, and now I have just the regular M113 in my SLK55 and with the resonators and 2nd cats taken off, it sounds sooooo good
u go from m113k to 550 tool
@@WatchoutNSG m113 AMG is not 550 read a little
@@DouEditz he goes from 480hp 520 torque to 350hp 370 torque, that's a tool move 🤷♀️
@@WatchoutNSG First of all M113 has 367 Hp and 376 lb-ft..... Second... How you gonna call someone else a tool when you live with your dad and blow up the car he put a down payment on...TOOL?? Look at your videos..what kind of 22 year old sits in front of the camera and rips off private information...lol
@@DouEditz was for college, thats the crap they make you do, also i paid for the car 12k I trade stock options, im happy you watched my amazing video, ya going from a high performance engine to the shittier one is whack, keep fuming bud your prob like 50 getting all mad in the comments
Classic AMG V8s from that era. Shame the new C63 is going to become a 4 cylinder hybrid.
Mercedes been putting excellent m112/m113 engines into cars that would rot away if you'd use them in any weather but dry. Just like leafs, they change color to brown for the winter. The engine would last longer than the rest of a car. Next generations had galvanized body panels, but we all know how much of a disaster M156 can be. So the question is: "Is SLK55 the most reliable car the world?"
I have a M113 engine and it's the best engine I've ever driven. I have a m113k, very fun but I prefer the plan M113
This technical series of videos are some of your best! Love them!
Great video and info! I have a e500 with the 7spd transmission and it actually is pretty nice but I’m also coming from a C36 with a vacuum shift 4spd which is pretty old school now. The m113k vehicles with a modern gearbox would be absolute monsters
Enjoying all the latest videos, glad to see your channel growing. Been subscribed since about 10k. We seem to share similar taste in cars. Keep up the good work!
Had a lightly tuned M112K. Loved it to bits. Power delivery snd smoothness was unreal.
You can't beat the sound of a V8. I'm lucky enough to own a V8 Jaguar XK and when they're wound up the sound is addictive, just like this Merc....
Great video, I have the M113 AMG 5.4L in my 2000 W163 ML55 that I recently bought with only 50k miles.... full-time 4MATIC 4x4 body-on-frame SUV with hi/lo transfer case and sport suspension... not to mention 342bhp at 5750rpm and 400nm torque at 3000rpm... this thing goes 0 to 60 in 6.4 seconds, is great in all driving conditions, high speed, highway cruise or off-road... now I’m only saving up to do a stage 3 Kleemann turbo and tune to get it to 540 hp and 750nm ;)
I've seen a guy in Poland driving an M113 swapped Nissan Patrol on 38 inch tires and the sound it made was honestly orgasmic and it tore through terrain like through tissue paper!
I love this series. Keep up the awesome work
Hey mate, just found your channel - love your down to earth approach. Subscribed, and when I come to the UK I'd love to have a beer 🍻
I'm enjoying your video series of the legendary engines, thanks for posting. I have a CLK 280 - 3L V6, I love how smooth the engine is and once you put your foot down the grunt sound makes me smile. The 7-speed gearbox is ok for cruising but a tad lazy if you want to get a move on. I have driven a CLK 500 and the delivery was smooth but much more of a rush. I’m considering a V8 for my next car.
Excellent thanks. I've got a CL500 standard 5L V8 and it's wonderful and I've been tempted to upgrade to the CL55 with the supercharged engine but then as you say the gearbox in mine is already not exactly happy so imagine another 200bhp and I hear you when you say not such a great idea. Keep these vids coming.
Had a Turquoise 1999 C43 AMG with the white on black Designo leather, was a great car and although not as quick it was a much more relaxing car to drive than my B6 S4. should have kept it, they are going ballistic in price.
Detailed, well researched and enlightening as always!
my 2001 ML430 with 73k miles drives like butter and surprisingly fast.
"Most unique!" Shirt was a bit mild too. Standards JayEmm, Standards!
Yes I love my E55 113k, it’s a luxurious fun car.
Mine has
630 injectors
Long tube headers
LSD
Forced Induction -Interchiller
83mm belt pulley
an Intake kit
a better TCU for faster shifting….plus much more.
And I must say, it’s very enjoyable to drive.
awesome vid however the c55 actually made about 30 more hp than the timebomb in the m3, in addition to more torqure
I absolutely agree, I own few of these early AMG cars and they are great.
this is my favourite sounding v8 or at least the only one i know about
M113K/M275 great video.
The m113 in my track car has been brilliant
I wanted a 6.2L but there were too many problems with variable timing. I wanted a M113K until I saw a TH-camr who had found a rubber gasket in the oil pump that went bad in two engines he took apart. Bad gasket means loss of oil pressure. To replace what must be a $2 gasket appears to be an engine out job. Settled on a 4.3L which despite being the smallest, is more than capable.
Unfortunately this glorious engine is suppressed with the stock exhaust set up. I removed the exhaust resonator and it made a huge difference and its much cheaper than other mods like headers or a new exhaust set up. Highly recommend doing this and great video - 05 CLK55 Coupe
What was the difference it made? Sound, Economy?
@@revinot wanna know too
@@revinot It makes it louder under acceleration , high rpm , and cruising , but quieter at idle and gentle throttle.
Your channel is fantastic! Can’t believe you haven’t got 10 times the subscribers !
Very reliable engines. Usually the M113 outlives whatever car it was put into. Hence why they are dirt cheap at salvage yards. MB diehards hate it but IMO it’s an one hell of an underdog
This certainly has its charms and muscle car feel, but the M156 after it is just so manic and additive that it seems even more exciting. Do miss not having a supercharger though
I really enjoy mine in my C43!
M113 and M112 were the last reliable engines MB produced.
the m156 was pretty bulletproof as well after it got new head bolts in 2010
The M113K and mighty Bi-Turbo V12 are the Mercedes engines I covet. SL55 AMG and E55 AMG wagon would be my favourite M113 cars.
A very good engine. Reliable durable and versatile. So naturally it had to go. 6.2, head bolts? Who needs head bolts?
C43AMG. WONDERFUL CAR, way ahead of its time. A thrill to drive today.
Fave engine from merc in my opinion :
- m113k
- m156
- m157
- m133
No the m157 sucks it’s direct injection it’s bad, you know how horrible direct injection engines are?
The m113 is ok but It requires 16 spark plugs not just 8
I don’t know why Mercedes didn’t just stick with the m119 that’s a much better engine
I love the SLR, personally. They sound incredible and look even better. Just let down by having that 5-speed gearbox. Compounded with the McLaren edition SLR as that got the bodystyling the SLR should've had, but still got a 5-speed auto.
Great series you got here. Keep it up
The Swede
Whatever you do Jay, keep going. You've got an essence all your own, and you're content is always top notch. Jay for president!
Thankyou Pedro
Awesome video, just got a SL500 R129 with the M113 engine and fixing up my C43 w202 👍
I recently added a 2000 SL500 to my fleet and "silky smooth" is an apt description of the driving experience of the m113. I am head over heels with that car
I'm trading my bike for an 04 clk500. Drooling over that w202 c43 you showed. Had a C280 with an M104 in it. Which was STILL a great engine.
I’m about to buy the Mercedes CLS55 AMG so thanks for making this video.
"Got one, It's awesome, and more reliable than the 63! ( And just as fast because it has more torque)
Like this review, thank you
Amazing engine,unforgettable sound!💓🤩
The reliability of my CLK 55 has been interesting I won’t lie. Rocker cover leaks are common which do affect the idle slightly and of course valve stem seals needing to be replaced! Puffs of smoke coming out the exhaust when under WOT can be terrifying! Aside that, the car seems fine and the 5 speed box is smooth and the engine is quiet when cruising! 23-24mpg can be achieved, even in Cornwall! But for comedy I have seen 3.4mpg when a sports bike met my rear lights.
What milage did you experience these problems at? I'm about to get a 2002 CLK 55 AMG with only 49k miles.
@@devanrogers3133 These problems are rare if the oil is changed every 5000 miles or so...except valve cover gaskets need replacing every 15 years.
SLK with V8 is nuts. Now u would get v4 😁😟
i Had an sl500 with the normal m113 engine. amazing car amazing engine but it wasn't though for me. So I picked up a new to me sl55 with an m113k and my gosh does this thing fly
With a CL500, the M113 is a beautifully smooth and powerful V8. A joy to drive.
The Merc 500E. 🥰 love those things. Just so damn expensive. Think the W203 C55 or W202 C43 is the cheapest way to experience something close to that thing.
clk430 coupe is the cheapest way in
I have the c43, not cheapest cause its price is increasing and it’s hard to find.
Cool car, 500E 😉
A M113 in a R171 SLK AMG is a pure driving experience, in no way can it keep up with an EV, but emotionally, what you hear and feel... well, what a great engine, soon to be outlawed, appliances will rule the roads until they are taxed beyond our budget... Did they ever put a M113K in a SLK 171?
Simple Mercedes V8 brute awesomeness
Fovourite MB Engine for me is the M157 5.5l BiTurbo V8 bc it's just the most relentless power stock with insane reserves
I love my 113K E 55 MY 2006
The last of the best ever made in my opinion it delivers maximum Adrenalin
I have a W211 M112 engine and since there are importation restrictions in my country of cars from 2012 and below, its near impossible to import the w211 E500, E55 & E63...would really like to know if its possible changing the engine in my car from the M112 engine to the M113 engine and what other components or things will I have to change in the car
I can't really comment. As I only have experience with the OM648 and OM642. But the OM648 sounds incredible for a diesel.
I had a 1999 Mercedes E240 with the M113 engine. I agree this engine is superb far quieter and trouble free because of its single camshaft
M112
I’m in the search of a ML500… have read that the M113 with 306 bhp is better than the M273 5.5l with 388 bhp. Apparently the M273 has some crank issues? Any advice on the car i’m looking for?
❤️ I want it
Deep dive into this vs the predecessor pls
I can't really comment, as ive only had experience with the OM648 and OM642. But I do know that the OM648 sounds incredible for a diesel engine.
The M113k engine in my '06 E55...
I wouldn’t recommend a Mercedes with a manual gearbox had a c class with one it was like something out of a tractor 🚜 their auto boxes are some of the best in the business
I've got a manual in my s204 c220. Hateful it is. Then again stack that up against a Peugeot pudding stirrer and you will think it's wonderful lol
I agree, I've owned many cars with auto gearboxes & Mercedes do make the best
M113 need to have 7-g tronic! 5-g is not acceptable.
Good video! Cheers!
My favourite is the c180 Kompressor.
5:12 Jesus christ. That is intoxicating.
M113k the best
How about the motor mounts? I have an M112 V6 for my 2002 C320 and I want to upgrade to the M113 E55 engine. Will they line up?