Zen 5 vs Arrow Lake CPUs - Specs, Price, & Release Dates

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    Zen 5 vs Arrow Lake CPUs - Specs, Price, & Release Dates
    AMD's Zen 5 Ryzen 9000 CPUs including the 9950X, 9900X, 9700X, and 9600X will be launching this year bringing anywhere from 10-40% more performance if leaks are to be believed. At the same time Intel will be releasing a major architecture update with their 15th gen Arrow Lake CPUs going by Core Ultra 200 now. This series of processors should include the Intel Core Ultra 285K, 265K, and 245K and also release this year with major IPC improvements. The only question is, which one should you buy, and who will have the fastest CPU in 2024?
    Sources
    Zen 5 IPC Gains: • ZEN 5 IPC Gains Are AB...
    Zen 5 Granite Ridge Leak: videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen...
    Zen 5 Low IPC: www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-zen...
    Zen 5 Computex Reveal: wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9000-z...
    Zen 5 Process Nodes: wccftech.com/amd-to-utilize-s...
    Intel Core Ultra Naming: www.hardwaretimes.com/intel-1...
    Intel Arrow Lake Leaked Specs: www.hardwaretimes.com/intel-c...
    Intel Arrow Lake Specs: videocardz.com/newz/intel-cor...
    Intel Arrow Lake Thunderbolt 5: www.tomshardware.com/pc-compo...
    Intel Arrow Lake LGA 1851: wccftech.com/intels-lga-1851-...
    Intel Arrow Lake No Hypertreading: videocardz.com/newz/intel-cor...
    Intel Arrow Lake Leaked Performance: www.igorslab.de/en/intels-int...
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  • @Tech-Neekz
    @Tech-Neekz 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +108

    Dude always starts his vids like we just caught him doing blow off his desk 😆 🤣

    • @freshplasticup5795
      @freshplasticup5795 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      🤣😂

    • @Max-fw3qy
      @Max-fw3qy 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Maybe he is...

    • @nossy232323
      @nossy232323 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Pulling his head out of his ass.

    • @dataanalystbynight4375
      @dataanalystbynight4375 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Max-fw3qywith that stache…definitely is 🤣

    • @pctrashtalk2069
      @pctrashtalk2069 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Dial back the excitement ha ha

  • @SirBlicks
    @SirBlicks 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    So here are compelling reasons to get an AMD upgrade
    1. You already have an AM5 system
    2. Power Efficiency
    3. X3D chips
    4. No PL2 issues

  • @IdgaradLyracant
    @IdgaradLyracant 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    The reality is we are at the point where performance per watt is the main deal. I have a backlog of games so much that the only reason I upgrade is to lower my power consumption at this point.

    • @user-tc4tz8ww1z
      @user-tc4tz8ww1z 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I can tell you that even the flagship processors are not fully keeping up with a 4090 in certain situations... Also, in the professional space we BADLY need more PCIE lanes

    • @dany_2945
      @dany_2945 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@user-tc4tz8ww1z maybe a threadripper for professional use?

  • @mz1929
    @mz1929 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    my money is still betting on the 9800X3D being the gaming champ again. i also wouldnt trust a new chip/gen, and their motherboards etc

    • @wblebon
      @wblebon 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      No need to upgrade motherboard for the am5 chip 9000 series this is AMD not intel garbage which ask you to buy new motherboard with there series each year

    • @TheZerosd
      @TheZerosd 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@wblebonit depends on what are you building I went am5 last year

    • @wblebon
      @wblebon 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @TheZerosd same happier then ever gonna skip the 9000 series as not a huge gain from the 7800x3d chip in my opinion

    • @mz1929
      @mz1929 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@wblebon try reading again. Was obvious toward Intel

    • @winnb4968
      @winnb4968 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Don't be mistaken 7950X3D performs slightly better then 7800X3D and 9950X3D will have 3d v cache on both CCDs, thus it will become the gaming cpu champion 🏆 to beat the 15900KS.

  • @benjaminrogers8875
    @benjaminrogers8875 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    It's neat that 5 Ghz plus is becoming normal. All those years of overclocking where 5Ghz was seen as the holy grail seem quaint now.

    • @michakrzyzanowski8554
      @michakrzyzanowski8554 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Overclocking doesn’t do much nowadays. It’s better to do a -30 PBO curve on AMD or standard undervolting for way better thermal performance and efficiency.

  • @HaloFidelity
    @HaloFidelity 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    ill have to be hopping on that Christmas Sale of 30% bro! its the perfect time for me to buy all of my Christmas gifts!

    • @troystutsman1400
      @troystutsman1400 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      When and where does this take place please…?
      Thanks.

    • @Ralipsi
      @Ralipsi 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If you buy gears in december, You will be sorry! The prices drop -15%-20% in february-march

  • @thepro08
    @thepro08 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    all i want is a decent gpu at 250.... but thats not gonna happen not even at 2nd hand.... ngreedia is nerfing the shit out of vram and amd is not there with dlls....

    • @artursjoblom5142
      @artursjoblom5142 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I feel you, I'm still on my 1080ti I got for like 350 many years ago. Thinking about getting a 6900xt for 500 bucks to double my performance.
      250 gets you a 6700xt I think, better card for 250 is hard to find I think, stay on 1080p if that's your budget. High refreshrate 1080p 👍

    • @tjoygaming
      @tjoygaming 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Intel Arc is now pretty decent after all the driver updates

  • @rogerhuston8287
    @rogerhuston8287 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Intel will have to prove performance and reviewers will need to validate settings.

    • @cemsengul16
      @cemsengul16 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      I lost my trust with Intel.

    • @winnb4968
      @winnb4968 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I don't know why but I feel like this is karma for Intel..
      For generations they have been making shitty processors with barely any improvement and priced more and more. Now Intel is in a sht position where their processors are not reliable and if they are it's just a matter of time when they aren't. They have been fooling us for so damm long now since Lisa Su stepped in for AMD everything about AMD has changed and improved so much to the points Intel is behind. They're so desperate that they opened new FABS and due to that the 15th gen will be hella expensive (as they need to increase prices to cover the costs) only the top products will be good anything mid-low tier are a waste. Intel will try to buy other company to cheat their scores from benchmarks to make them look good that's how dirty Intel is no wonder Jim Keller and Raja Koduri left Intel they lost trust in them and they know AMD's CPU are now the best in notebooks/mobile/datacenter/server/handheld/console and soon also desktop, but Intel is soo desperate that they need help and Nvidia has decided to help Intel

    • @user-do1df4gx3b
      @user-do1df4gx3b 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@winnb4968 you are drinking too much Kool-aid

    • @c4nchi
      @c4nchi 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Don't expect too much of this Intel Ultra CPUs, they already launched in laptops and they are pretty meh.

  • @neikory
    @neikory 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    30%+ IPC on the same node? Do you understand how wrong is that?

  • @Gattberserk
    @Gattberserk 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    9800X3D and RTX 5080 will prolly be a dream PC for me, match with alienware AW3225QF (or future similar display with DP2.1 input) display

  • @techwandoUS
    @techwandoUS 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +46

    Definitely heading over to AMD this generation.

    • @benknapp3787
      @benknapp3787 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      The 7800X3D has been a monster for me.

    • @ThunderstyleYTB
      @ThunderstyleYTB 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Upgraded from a second hand 2700x and 2x8gb to 4x8gb and 5800x3d on the same board. The upgrade was freaking immense with barely changing anything. I'm GPU bound with my RX6800 in almost every imaginable scenario.
      The 9800X3D will bottleneck any GPU for a while at least in gaming, I imagine.

    • @bobvila4381
      @bobvila4381 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I haven't found a reason to go intel for a good 4 - 5 years now. AMD is as fast or faster with half the power and heat.

    • @dontmatter4423
      @dontmatter4423 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      if they price it higher than every intel cpu i'd go for cheaper 7800x3d

    • @alexrahardjazh
      @alexrahardjazh 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      If AMD can keep its processor air cooled frendly amd will win but if not ibtel will take over

  • @ZerkyYT
    @ZerkyYT 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

    I dont know for now amd cpus look more reliable

    • @skorpers
      @skorpers 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      They have been since 2018.
      The PL2 stuff has been an issue since the 9900k. Intel is now incapable of telling the public if the Power limit should be 188, 253, or unlimited "if your board supports it".
      After blaming board partners for causing instability and degrading.

    • @PapaBless23
      @PapaBless23 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@skorpers And those are the core truths.

    • @RobBCactive
      @RobBCactive 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Understatement!

    • @astrofiggy2321
      @astrofiggy2321 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Amd just for the the chipset support on motherboard lasting till at least 2026

  • @bonhommevincent4202
    @bonhommevincent4202 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    The fact that Intel is abandoning hyperthreading intrigues me greatly... In terms of performance and latency, either in games or even in productivity... If Intel wins, it will only be to our advantage : AMD's reaction could be interesting in terms of price and future processor. It's interesting to see both Intel and AMD moving their asses.
    If only they could do the same for graphics cards. I'm really curious to see the evolution in 5 years of the CG and processor market even if I have the impression that Intel will no longer be on the CG side.
    I like your work, thank you and courage. Lots of work and little thanks. Thank you for your work.

    • @jamegumb7298
      @jamegumb7298 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      SMT causes a lot of bugs and gettin rid of them cost performance. Makes sense to get rid of it.
      They may go rentable cores. SMT but adding a small core to execute. It did sound interesting.

    • @Riyozsu
      @Riyozsu 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I just want 24 core cpu with 48 threads. Amd has done it before, they just need to do it for consumers CPU.

  • @thetheoryguy5544
    @thetheoryguy5544 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Also, I suspect Intel will have better video rendering performance for things like AV1 decode and encode and also as much as its overused now AI acceleration. AMD fanboys be bugging lol All I hope is to see some good competitive back n forth with these companies over the years so we all get better products in the end.

  • @LetsG0Champ
    @LetsG0Champ 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +72

    5090 + 9800X3D for me

    • @charvelgaming2975
      @charvelgaming2975 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      That is my goal as well

    • @voldmerot
      @voldmerot 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Idk...I feel 9950X3D might be a bit weak to pair with a 5090...but I guess it'll depend on the resolution of your monitor.

    • @WoodakaDiddy
      @WoodakaDiddy 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah me too if the 5090 has display port 2.1

    • @jamegumb7298
      @jamegumb7298 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I went from i7-2600 to Ryzen 5600. Back then I liked the top cpu but back then they cost a lot less. I do tend to do long with my systems.
      May pick up a very cheap 7900(X)/X3D and then much later a 9900(X)/X3D to extend life if the 9900 cost too much to my liking.

    • @economistadiogo
      @economistadiogo 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      8900 XTX + 9800X3D

  • @hugo49i
    @hugo49i 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hello. Can you help me? I need a pc for Professional Content Creation/TH-camr (Mostly videos for TH-cam & TikTok). I do mostly video editing, Premiere 45%, mostly 1440p but may do 4k for some clients) and play (mostly Fortnite 40%, no need 4k for this game, higher frames the better, may need 4k for other games) and do design (illustrator and Photoshop 15%). I will be always record when playing and may stream sometimes. I know intel is better for Premiere but I want to go AMD route for various reasons.
    Is the 4080 super with 7950x3D the best option for my use case? Or should I wait for the uncoming cpus?

    • @benjaminrogers8875
      @benjaminrogers8875 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      How much value will you get out of the time between now and these releases with and without a computer?

    • @Kage0No0Tenshi
      @Kage0No0Tenshi 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Well just wait to end of year and you will get rtx 5090 or 5080 with ryzen 9950x3d will be insane performance over that you point out

    • @Kage0No0Tenshi
      @Kage0No0Tenshi 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I am gamer doing basic video editing and have rx 6950xt with 5800X3D I am happy with it, was thinking about 7800x3d but decided to wait.

    • @robzam
      @robzam 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Great....another rat kid TH-camr streaming Dorknite

  • @tqrules01
    @tqrules01 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I think you are wrong on a few points. The socket is bigger " LGA 1851" One of the biggest sockets ever. and they need to compete, so they will just turn off hyperthreading sure.... but add more P cores to make up the difference which in turn will drive up the power requirements, the socket itself also is kind of a dead give away having so many more pins. They need that bandwith and power so yeah good try though

  • @pcdowling
    @pcdowling 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    My 7950x has 24 pcie 5 lanes direct to the CPU. Some x670e boards were designed for that. I don't think they can lower the direct cpu lanes in the 9950x.

    • @winnb4968
      @winnb4968 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      9950X might also be the same if not I expect 28 lanes

  • @izak.barnes
    @izak.barnes 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Should i wait for the x3d versions or get them as they lunch since its alr a big preformence leap even without x3d (i will probably pair it with a 5080)

    • @RepublicOfWesternCanadaNOW
      @RepublicOfWesternCanadaNOW 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You could get a new one and sell it when the new x3d comes out. Otherwise just wait if you don't want to through the hassle. You're going to want an x3d when it comes out regardless

    • @izak.barnes
      @izak.barnes 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@RepublicOfWesternCanadaNOW should i just buy a 7800 x3d? Its prices would lower

    • @suparibhau
      @suparibhau 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@izak.barnesthe question is do you need a 7800x3d right now? Do you have to play the lastest AAA games while you have dozens of backlogs?

    • @izak.barnes
      @izak.barnes 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@suparibhau ill get it for work and aaa games but when the new stuff drops

  • @sceneflexin8701
    @sceneflexin8701 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All I want is to play GTA 6 with 90 fps or higher, do you think these will help

  • @defectiveclone8450
    @defectiveclone8450 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    One will be out on time and on a new working smaller node from TMSC.. the other will be late, hot, use more power and be slower running on a not as good intel node. :) love intels naming on their new node.. hey guys lets call it 2nm haha

    • @michaelkeudel8770
      @michaelkeudel8770 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      They now have 2 EUV nodes up and running, production has finally started for volume, I know because I've been involved with the vacuum electrical side of this project for the last 7 years,

    • @oappi4686
      @oappi4686 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      well, intel's node has been more advanced than similarly named TSMC node so makes sense that they don't refer to real world values anymore. I would honestly be surprised if Intel cpu used less power than AMD one and if that is the case I don't think they would be ahead if both gained 25% performance. Intel bruteforced ahead of AMD:s X3D chips with insane power demand by pushing up to 300W to those chips, while for AMD it was impossible to go much over 120-170W spec because cache sitting on top of cpu core would burn up. it seems though that Intel chips didn't really like intel's plan and are now breaking up. Personally, I think intel cannot really cry about their partners going over the spec as they were happily watching those review benchmark been close or ahead of amd chips. If they had a problem with power values, they should have spoken then, not after users are noticing their CPU:s are malfunctioning months after the fact.

  • @shephusted2714
    @shephusted2714 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    amd should be able to stage a laptop comeback with new chips and then own every mkt segment

  • @KeppadaTV
    @KeppadaTV 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Im debating goin 7950x3d or waiting for the new gen. Have 12600k with a 4090 right now

    • @JagsP95
      @JagsP95 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If youre just playing games get 7800x3d or just wait. If you need productivity then get 7950x3d.

    • @H2RID
      @H2RID 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lol... i have exatly that, 12600k and 4090.
      Since I play 4k res decided not spend money on CPU for now.

  • @mimo5383
    @mimo5383 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ditching my 4070 rig and going to a minty fresh APU for my gaming.

  • @nikiemilkalliomaki931
    @nikiemilkalliomaki931 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Because intel is now moving to a new socket, the prices for the new motherboards are probably gonna be pretty bad compared to AM5 which has been getting very affordable lately.

    • @auritro3903
      @auritro3903 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah that's what will likely happen. Unless intel absolutely decimates the amd processors in all aspects, I don't expect intel to run and sell large volume until 2-3 months after the release.

  • @user78405
    @user78405 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    both are tied ....same performance and difference is vast when amd depend on intel x86 smt tech while intel went all pure 64bit only threading process is huge advantage for software and games execute code vs amd still relying outdated SMT that split the 64 bit to 32bit for memory address while executing 64bit code in lagging way that like all HT and SMT tech...all depend one thread at a time due the tech is not RISC. Intel know this well that SMT not gonna last forever when games are no longer accessing in comfort of 8gb vram instruction sets ....now they are asking 16gb to 24gb instructions to be process and copy to system ram in huge table size ....SMT barely can do 8gb at a time vs without -smt ...it can free its threads from waiting instruction to be process that can go up to 64gb table without wait...more the cores the better for threads can process in parallel same time...first time intel using paralleling threads not serial threads

  • @rogerhuston8287
    @rogerhuston8287 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Intel, new chip socket means new motherboards. Need to wait and see, could be 6 months to work out the bugs.

  • @brianrobinson3961
    @brianrobinson3961 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    They will end up being very close. Intel really needs a win and answer for the 3D V-Cache chips to stay competitive in the gaming market.

  • @pazgaz7
    @pazgaz7 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    So this channel is now a rumor channel or was it always like this?
    Also, this is even worst because he’s just repeating rumors other channels already mentioned.
    So not bullshitting but rebullshitting.

  • @StrixWar
    @StrixWar 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Well be getting the ultra 9 285k when released

  • @OmahaGTP
    @OmahaGTP 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    ASRock, Gigabyte, MSI (not you ASUS, you're dead to me) get on making some 1DPC/two slot memory motherboards for X870E, stat.

  • @nick-dogg
    @nick-dogg 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Looking forward to a more efficient CPU that runs cooler. Only time will tell.

  • @PapaBless23
    @PapaBless23 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    What, no more 400w max power draw cpu's from intel? sadge :(

    • @winnb4968
      @winnb4968 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      "INTEL" Too expensive/hot/power consuming!

    • @ryanvtec3885
      @ryanvtec3885 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Soo glad my 12700k is somewhat reasonable power compared to 13th gen

    • @DamianB82
      @DamianB82 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Don't be sad just yet, it's predictions not facts, he took them from ass just as his head at the star of the vid.

  • @kr0gan105
    @kr0gan105 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I been Ryzen since 1st gen (I pre ordered a 1700x and X370 Crosshair Hero), upgraded to 3900X and then to my current 5900X. Not gonna lie, I’d love to see Intel with similar power draw and performance with Ryzen.
    I’ll never go Intel as long as they keep using insane amounts of power cos I live in UK with insane power costs.

  • @drpork1360
    @drpork1360 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I was thinking about going to intel for my next build. Looks like I'm going to now.

    • @Andrew_Thrift
      @Andrew_Thrift 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Absolutely, I need the PCIe lanes !

    • @auritro3903
      @auritro3903 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Instead, you should probably wait for both products to come out and compare their reviews.

  • @shanent5793
    @shanent5793 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Do you really think Zen5 is going to change the number of PCIe lanes?

  • @braindead2813
    @braindead2813 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Underrated analysis, best graphs in the PC news space.

  • @harryniedecken5321
    @harryniedecken5321 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Modern video card = 16 pcie lanes. AM5 chip = 20 lanes. Entry level Threadripper cpu = a lot more lanes. Starting to make a lot of sense.

    • @barbatocedric4246
      @barbatocedric4246 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      it's weird because 7000 series have 24+4 and he specifie 20+8 on the next series of motherboard.

  • @reiniermoreno1653
    @reiniermoreno1653 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think they're gonna be the same but the power draw on intel is gonna be lower. The whole point of this rebrand and new tiling design is about to get lower design costs / power draw, if intel doesn't meet that goal Ryzen would be the best choice

  • @jackz166
    @jackz166 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am happy with my 9900k and 5900x system, no plan to upgrade at all

  • @ralkros681
    @ralkros681 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I spilled a smoothie into my pc the other day. Only fatality so far is the ram. Safe to say I'm watching the market for a new build this year...
    RIP 3080

  • @cosmicusstardust3300
    @cosmicusstardust3300 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    intel abandoning hyperthreading is such a huge downgrade smh...

    • @Riyozsu
      @Riyozsu 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      We will see in October if tech Jesus criticizes them.

    • @gradystephenson3346
      @gradystephenson3346 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      A downgrade not really if u turn off hyperthreading on a lot of intel chips they perform better

  • @deilusi
    @deilusi 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So, we claim intel will HALVE power usage while keeping single clock at stupidly high ?
    that sounds like assumption they changed everything, and it will work from the start.
    IMHO we are 2 gens away from that, first with significant shift will most likely have speed regressions in MT, and most likely st as well, but power draw will be ok (finally).
    then next gen will give them 15-20% on both st and mt.

  • @ers-tj4to
    @ers-tj4to 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What’s the point when there will be no 5090s released this year?

    • @cackoocacho1629
      @cackoocacho1629 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I hope this is a joke.

    • @Oliver-sn4be
      @Oliver-sn4be 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Because idk

  • @blkspade23
    @blkspade23 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Some of the Zen 5 bits are obviously inaccurate. Like Zen 4 pcie lanes are already 24+4. Also too many people are misatributing the x3D issue with both CCDs not having the extra cache being the source of consistency issues. The issue was always a thing for dual CCDs CPUs in certain games because of game threads getting bumped to the opposite CCD that didnt have its cache populated, before X3D was a thing. More empty cache is still empty, which is why dual x3d didnt provide any benefit. The 7950X3D only trades about 8% performance in any other workload you would be considering a 16 core for vs the 7950x. It makes no sense to wish for a future iteration to give up more.

  • @Crossfire2003
    @Crossfire2003 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ryzen 9000 will be on 4nm, with the IOD @6nm.

  • @nivea878
    @nivea878 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    After 13 / 14th are problematic i wait a year because its new technology. my 7800x3d serves mi till then (First AMD chip for me)

  • @Diamond_Hanz
    @Diamond_Hanz 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Lets go INTEL!!!

  • @squad_dd87-bl8bh
    @squad_dd87-bl8bh 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Just wait for x3d chips. They will absolutely smash intel in terms of gaming.

  • @gbxx6692
    @gbxx6692 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As always, waiting until q4.. because you'll need a car payment loan for the higher prices and lower interest rates of Q4... Welcome to your $3000 desktop upgrades... btw start picking 3 levels of socket 18xx boards to review and see pricing on...

  • @rgstroud
    @rgstroud 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    For gaming, people should wait for the X3D versions of the AMD CPUs and they will again destroy Intel Arrow Lake. Let's just pray Intel will not overcloock the new CPUs out of stability out of the box this time and show they can be solid CPUs.

  • @bluecollarwatches7048
    @bluecollarwatches7048 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Am5 for the win. AMD has got it right with supporting this socket until at least 2025.

    • @DeadPiixxel
      @DeadPiixxel 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      short time

    • @Oliver-sn4be
      @Oliver-sn4be 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This gen and 11000 then end

  • @MandoMTL
    @MandoMTL 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    With the current Intel instability issues, I wouldn't dive head first to a new, untested architecture. AM5 is looking to mature nicely and predictably.

  • @Kage0No0Tenshi
    @Kage0No0Tenshi 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I do not believe that intel will make there next generation energy effectively like ryzen 9000s.
    Performance from intel may pass non x3d CPUs for gaming but will not pass 9800x3d.

  • @datriaxsondor590
    @datriaxsondor590 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Given Intel's recent issues and problems? I wouldn't touch them for even half the price. Ryzen 9000 is already cemented in for me. Only question is, which model? 9900X or 9950X?

    • @cemsengul16
      @cemsengul16 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Same brother.

  • @DamianB82
    @DamianB82 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The whole premise of Intel having lower latency because of monolithic design is as flawed as it gets. First of all p cores and e cores are on separate tiles. Second is that latency is directly related to cache speed and since that node looks like immature thus they need to lower core speed doesn't sound like all of sudden gonna have faster cache.
    Then another out of hat assumption that Intel gonna have lower TDP. They drop HT and lower cpu clocks because because the node is so awesome they now want a perf per wat win? Hahaha, sure do.

  • @HafeezBlackLeg
    @HafeezBlackLeg 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    there will be no CPU to be on par with 5090, it will always bottleneck.. CPU at least 1-2 generations behind in term of performance

    • @trumpsextratesticle8590
      @trumpsextratesticle8590 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Get an AMD Epyc, 96 Core... no bottleneck.

    • @iLegionaire3755
      @iLegionaire3755 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Wrong. EKG Delta TEC 2 Custom Water Loop cooled 14900KS or the AMD 7980X or 7995wx Threadripper PRO can easily run an RTX 5090! 96 5.50 GHZ with EKG 7995wx. With EKG Custom loop, proper direct to die and a proper delidding, 6.90 GHZ all core, and two performance cores can clock up to 7 GHZ with 14900KS

  • @AntonioPerez-gv5wq
    @AntonioPerez-gv5wq 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    this guy is too much
    he totally changed his intro
    meaning the way he starts his videos
    he also changed his look or appeareance
    the whole thing went from
    elvis intro to pancho villa with the moustache
    😁😂😭
    👍🏻

  • @itsophishle7044
    @itsophishle7044 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Well, considering that the 13th & 14th generation of Intel i9 has a near 95% failure rate when it comes to stability- be a smart consumer and stick with an AMD build..

  • @alchemistslab89
    @alchemistslab89 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If we get more juicers that aren't low wattage, powerful and good at idling. I'm just going to buy a AMD Ryzen 7 5700X and call it a day.

  • @johnsonnguyen1374
    @johnsonnguyen1374 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Consider this information just came out and it's already wrong on some things.

  • @bufalong
    @bufalong 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    hope intel new socket not bent again

  • @Theworthsearcher
    @Theworthsearcher 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I do not understand, who ever buys an intel CPU. AM5 has a better and lonnger term support, sso with a decent board the users do not have to replace their MOBO, just replace the CPU in it. And I am sure, that this time around will all 7000 CPUs be cheaper and then much more poeple will buy them with AM5 MOBOs. What is important, the PCI-E 5.0 support and VRM cooling. I on my side would only buy a Gigabyte board. I see, that even at AM4 they still have a very good support and very few HW defect.

  • @technoober8352
    @technoober8352 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bro, can you get me a flagship PC?

  • @LinouGertz
    @LinouGertz 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Seems like Intel are starting to actually competing and being an actual choice over AMD next generation. Interesting.

    • @mickeymmcbride71
      @mickeymmcbride71 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      😂😂😂😂

    • @LinouGertz
      @LinouGertz 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mickeymmcbride71 ?

  • @Kapono5150
    @Kapono5150 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hope he doesn’t break his neck one day

  • @paulking4908
    @paulking4908 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The Bitcoin miners will snatch up all the 9950X processors before the rest of us can.

  • @flache1086
    @flache1086 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Gen 13 and 14 were pretty much jokes in front of gen 12 so amd is easily gonna keep the lead if it goes forward...

  • @braindead2813
    @braindead2813 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Did you get shadow banned or something, why are the views so low!

    • @DocHoliday586
      @DocHoliday586 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He's hard to watch, man.. this guy is way to over dramatic in expression.

    • @temperedglass1130
      @temperedglass1130 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Are you blind. He makes up a lot of theories now with WHAT IF events with no evidence most times or random twitter posts as evidence, then makes detailed vids on it like it is real.

  • @Aseapia
    @Aseapia 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I have a feeling that AMD is going to massacre intel this generation. They will beat them in single vision but destroy them in multi-threaded applications.

    • @yureco12
      @yureco12 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think the opposite will happen. Generals always fight the last war.

  • @Nemesis1ism
    @Nemesis1ism 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    my guess 9% average

  • @KilgoreTroutAsf
    @KilgoreTroutAsf 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why do reviewers have to keep pretending anything Intel launches is exciting or relevant?

  • @joncroft2857
    @joncroft2857 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Intels bios is going to be a little bit better??🤔 yeah i don't think so.. To be honest i dont see intel doing so well this time around the 285k or whatever they really name it is going to pull to much power again so that can compete against the 9950X3d or 9800X3D the next-gen Ryzen cpu's are looking way better then what you are calming as every leak that has been reported has said intel maybe in trouble this time around as there has been reports of 40-50% in the new Ryzen cpus, as well as other leaks of AMD have it's own big.little really hope intel has a good cpu to compete i truly do. But you sound like a intel shell trying to hype them up and not talking about all the leaked info out there.

  • @Fluskar
    @Fluskar 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    too easy for AMD tbh

  • @kr0gan105
    @kr0gan105 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Intel may be close but at 3x the power 😂

    • @JynxedKoma
      @JynxedKoma 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They seriously need to think less about benchmark numbers and more on actual stability and how long the product lasts for before needing to be replaced for a new chipset.

    • @auritro3903
      @auritro3903 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Not 3x, more like 1.5x-2x, but that's also still massive lol. Arrow lake is expceted to bring a massive efficiency uplift like meteor lake, but we can only wait and see...

    • @kr0gan105
      @kr0gan105 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JynxedKoma definitely. Been saying that for ages. But all they care is market buzzwords like “best gaming CPU” etc etc, doesn’t matter if it has instability issues due to immense power consumption

  • @Mr11ESSE111
    @Mr11ESSE111 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    so Intel will have basically raptor lake name refresh again !! Oh poor Intel skunks!! They really sleep for decade doing nothing

  • @nach1113
    @nach1113 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I know for sure that intel will always be a better value than AMD, even if it means dropping margins. Why? They sell 10x the amount that AMD does.

    • @nach1113
      @nach1113 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Specially for the mobile segment. Intel got more than 85% of TAM. (total available market)

  • @claybomb1064
    @claybomb1064 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    AMD 👍

  • @JustANeonSign
    @JustANeonSign 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    E

  • @TKanal3
    @TKanal3 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    5080 9800x3d

  • @ubozkurt
    @ubozkurt 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    700$ oo şeeet

  • @user78405
    @user78405 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    while amd gonna be all alone with outdated flaw intel SMT open door malware when nobody is using it since IBM abandon entirely of smt-4 was terrible idea for cooling methods ...that requires nitrogen cooler...its huge risk for folks want to download games from steam and sharing data to helldivers 2 servers ...chinese already crack the SMT code now...good luck users

  • @ezequiellepew9472
    @ezequiellepew9472 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    fucking large video boooring

  • @Jason9ll
    @Jason9ll 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Am I the only person that gives 0 f*cks about power draw?

    • @feschber
      @feschber 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I certainly care about having a silent PC

    • @benknapp3787
      @benknapp3787 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Some people care about it because of cooling. My 7800X3D is an extremely low draw so it always stays cool. I have my Merc 310 7900XTX overclocked but it's got such a good cooler that at roughly 450w it doesn't get hot even running Gray Zone Warfare at 4K Epic settings. If cooling was an issue, I'm sure I'd appreciate a low power draw more.

    • @Zombie101
      @Zombie101 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Prob don't pay electricity bill

    • @cackoocacho1629
      @cackoocacho1629 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Not at all. Lots of morons out there don't care how much wattage they waste, and heat they generate.

    • @cemsengul16
      @cemsengul16 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It's not just about the cost of the electric bill. I have no problem paying for my electricity but I am sick of the heat my 14900k and 4090 rig dumps out into my room.

  • @misterPAINMAKER
    @misterPAINMAKER 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If the RYZEN 7 9700X has 20% more IPC and Intel has too 20% , then AMD will be only 8 Cores and Intel will be 8 P Cores + X E-Cores,΄then Intel will be better .

    • @auritro3903
      @auritro3903 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I mean, we can only see.
      It's likely that intel will win at first overall, but they might lose the gaming segment after AMD releases the x3D chips.
      Intel might be a little more compelling now though if their power consumption is actually massively improved like they did with meteor lake.

    • @misterPAINMAKER
      @misterPAINMAKER 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@auritro3903 👍

  • @user-bv8wr3vw4x
    @user-bv8wr3vw4x 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Who cares? Nowadays PC parts are overkill even for 4K gaming. You don't need top of the line components to play at max settings.

  • @user-su6tx6sr2w
    @user-su6tx6sr2w 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    AMD and Intel it's very greed , why they don't sell fews deferent Brand, deferent motherboard, as long they not upgrade cpu processsor to 9ghz they just resale same shit and rebrand like AMD 8000 series

    • @raven80wolfx2
      @raven80wolfx2 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You are trying to process a thought and can't form sentences. Amd and Intel have hit a wall. If you had any knowledge, you understand the node limitations. Cpu upgrades aren't going to be massive. They have to come out with new designs each time because we have hit a wall on nodes. Re-releases are fine, and they lower the prices of older cpus. Uninformed people will only buy the newest because they think it's better. Meanwhile prices get cheaper and the market is healthy.

    • @Oliver-sn4be
      @Oliver-sn4be 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Try not much differenc we only see some updates one power with chip sets one top and before that KY was 5 or 8 more power or more energy friendly why I didn't update form my 6700 k I want to go 7800x3d but I never get first generation

    • @raven80wolfx2
      @raven80wolfx2 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Oliver-sn4be Did you have a stroke writing that? Form a complete sentence. 7800x3d is fine. Waiting for 9800x3d is fine. Just see what your price point is at.

    • @Oliver-sn4be
      @Oliver-sn4be 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@raven80wolfx2 to lazy to re tup it 😴 that and eng is not my first language bro ya I know it fine but fk sake motherboard are way over price 😐 cost more then the 7800x3d like wtf

    • @Riyozsu
      @Riyozsu 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Oliver-sn4beyou don't need an expensive mobo for 7800x3d, something like b650 pro from msi is enough, it's mostly around 150$

  • @chuethao385
    @chuethao385 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I bet 75% of you people here still live with your parents and don't pay bills

    • @winnb4968
      @winnb4968 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I bet 75% of these people want to move to a new home but with migration all over the places it's a hard time to find a home not to mention crysis, covid pandemic, everything getting expensive, gas, water, electricity, groceries, taxes and even more taxes, so don't judge.

    • @Oliver-sn4be
      @Oliver-sn4be 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I am 😏 but even with good pay it hard to pay apartment and foods so one so don't make much sense to be honest if it was 6 years ago with this pay ill be having everything but now nop

  • @Syndroo
    @Syndroo 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I feel like he is a Radio DJ in the Capitol Wasteland.

  • @mramd9062
    @mramd9062 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Like always Intel is exaggerating a bit with their IPC increase, Failsinger does that a lot ...... on the other hand AMD is SHOWING they are bettter than Intel ..... ON ALL FRONTS.

    • @Andrew_Thrift
      @Andrew_Thrift 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Apart from the PCIe lanes front

  • @FMBriggs
    @FMBriggs 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I'm absolutely sick and fn tired of e-cores with my 13th Gen CPU. I'm going back to Ryzen next gen like my life depends on it.

    • @Killerspaten
      @Killerspaten 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      are they not that useful?

    • @cemsengul16
      @cemsengul16 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      They are ewaste cores.

    • @pylotlight
      @pylotlight 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Killerspaten On a desktop CPU I don't believe they would be that useful.

    • @lightward9487
      @lightward9487 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      nah!! 9950X have 250wats y Ultra 9 285k = 200wats? why 250wats = 9950X