Don’t Water Cool Your PC It Will RUIN YOUR LIFE
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Don’t Water Cool Your PC It Will RUIN YOUR LIFE
PC gamers are likely better off avoiding water cooling their rigs right now as it could completely ruin their life. Not only is water cooling incredibly expensive, but the main benefits of using liquid is not always realized with modern CPUs and GPUs. Plus especially when it comes to custom water cooling the expense over time is so much that it becomes an absolute money pit and waste of time for very little gain in my experience.
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I've had water cooling since 2000. Now I know what ruined my life.
Me with a water cooler: crap i guess i will just not cool down my cpu
Custom watercooling is like tuning your car- unnecessary but fun
Watercooling is a pointless waste of money that risks destroying your pc doing it.
Most people who do watercool are totally ignorant of the fact capacitors and vrms on your motherboard are designed to have airflow thats why stock coolers blow DOWNWARDS onto the motherboard.
I did a custom loop on mine recently. I have a Ryzen 9 7900x and an RX 7900 XTX. My GPU had a terrible throttling issue right from the factory so I decided to water cool it, and since I was doing that I might as well get a CPU waterblock too. I'd say I'm getting right around that average of 10% better performance out of my GPU most of the time depending on what I'm doing. I'm getting about 5% better on my CPU. It's much quieter too! I ordered everything for the loop on aliexpress and it cost about $350. Well worth it in my opinion.
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You can't vertical mount a 4090 with huge tower cooler, this is where AIO helps.
True. If you are in that situation, which not too many people are lucky enough to be able to have one, it certainly helps to have an AIO.
you dont NEED to mount it vertically.... actually you dont NEED a lot of stuff ppl do/use these days, but people just like to spend money on unusefull stuff.
you dont NEED an over 1000W psu on a top notch cpu/gpu pc, as you dont NEED more than 60 fps on video games (as i read somewhere "30fps is umplayaple", it really isn't, i grew plying on that and i'm still alive, you know) and you dont NEED that extra 5fps from overclocking as you can't even tell the difference.
This is the "snowflake age" where everybody thinks they REALLY NEED all this but they actually dont
@@nelsonpainco1368 you need to stop being so sensibly pragmatic! /s
@@aaronjones4529 it's true though....
@@nelsonpainco136830 FPS for watching movies and RPG games is somewhat acceptable, but again it's nice to have 120FPS or something high, plus, just let them reward themselves every once in a while. A flagship can last years or a whole decade without any upgrades
I remember the "don't by 4k screen, it will ruin your life" 😂 I love this guy's take.. very entertaining
Just buy a cheap dual tower air cooler on bigger CPU chips and save literally $100s over an AIO.
Also, just pay an extra $100 or so for a better GPU that has a better cooler.
Custom water cooling has never been worth it. They are a pita to setup. God forbid you didn't tighten the clamp enough, from plastic connectors and have it leak under load on your motherboard.
AIO will lose water from evaporation through the tubing. If the AIO isn't in a perfect position for low water level, you may get air pockets in the water block and overheat your CPU/GPU.
Water is just too dangerous for a PC. Water and electricity just don't mix well.
Custom water cooling forever ❤
The main benefit of running custom loop (which most people don't do anymore) is that you can run hoses out of your room so you aren't dumping 800w into your room for no reason and then fighting it with air conditioning. The pump does not even need to be in the same room as you are, it can be on the radiator unit. If you run all aluminum and antifreeze there is basically 0 maintenance, especially if you run redundant pumps. You can also still overclock the snot out of a 4090 or 7900xtx...
i have use a water cooler for years and it has run like a charm the whole time, so no water coolers do not ruin your life.
I have an AIO because it allows me to manage airflow better because I can install it to intake directly from outside air. Also I like that the case carries the most of the weight of the cooler instead of the motherboard.
After the Corsair water-cooler ran dry in my systems, I replaced them all with Thermalright air-coolers. System temps went DOWN when switching to air, and no worry about water levels. I really wish AIO makers would put a little window or clear tube to keep an eye on your water-level/flow. I have a Deepcool watercooler, with this feature, and it's the only watercooler I have that still works.
Starring at my custom 9k loop… *Sips ☕️*
Got a buddy said he spend $15k on his build and all I can think is.. fastest PC available is $3500. What does the 4x cost even get you? Lol if you got the money then do it but.. I'd rather pay off my car or somthin lol
@@christophermullins7163 if it’s water cooled dual system is probably the only thing I can think of but if he just has 1 system with dual 4090s it can still cost alot honestly it’s nothing special we do it because we are enthusiast wanting the best system for the time being and best aesthetics to our own eyes. Now if he’s like a designer or renders then yeah it’ll probably be completely worth it in his eyes all that extra power will definitely help. My custom hardline glass loop was almost additional 1400$ on top of my beast system already. Even my case enthoo elite was damn near 1000$ it can get pricey when you only use expensive parts.
@@christophermullins7163 If they do compute work like CG or ML, 6 4090s will be beneficial, and to run them at full link speed you'll need either HEDT or server parts which makes it pretty easy to spend that, and still see improvements (see the tinybox for an example, $15k for 6 7900XTXs or $25k for 6 4090s). For gaming though, the fastest (as of writing) would be a 4090($~2k) + 14900ks(~$800) + z790 extreme ($800-1200) + 2x48GB DDR5 with tight timings (~$400), a 1200-1600w Platinum or Titanium rated power supply (~$400), a case ($~250-$1k), custom loop water cooling (including waterblock) ($500-$1k), 4TB Gen5 NVME drive ($500). So that comes to around 6k after you factor in taxes, without adding any bling - just for performance, and if you throw in a 1.6TB p5800x ($3k) for a boot drive, there's 9k... now can you get 80% of that performance for $3500? Sure, but the absolute fastest in every aspect does cost significantly more. Or if you really wanted to go nuts, you'd have to build a dual motherboard system with the 2nd one being AMD 3D V-Cache, for the cases where that's faster than a 14900ks.
Just connect an air conditioner to your aircooled case and vent the case back to the intake on the AC. Seal it up with foil tape to avoid condensation. Half serious.
Custom loops cost a lot of $$$ but if done right will give a ton of better performance than an AIO or air cooling...but it's mostly for aesthetics...that said, if you're inclined to put the work in building one, you'll never use an AIO or air cooler again ;)
Are there any good sources you know if to learn how to plan and set up a custom loop? I'm fascinated with the topic.
@@shrimpwalk8230 jayztwocents on TH-cam has a lot of old custom loop videos that are decent, though he definitely adds more bling than needed.
@@shrimpwalk8230have you tried... TH-cam? Reddit? There's more than enough info. Just start watching and when you get questions, just google it.
Sorry, tried that with a stock 14900. Noctua wasn't cutting it. Hated the idea of water, but am amazed at how quiet it is now (overclocked).
I would say Water cooling is overrated and risky.
I would rather go for a sealed AIO instead. Alternatively if the CPU can handle it an Air cooler.
It seems to me that the Ryzen 5’s will do fine with a regular air cooler.
The Ryzen 7’s might need an AIO, however thermal rights Air coolers are really good and can handle this one.
The Ryzen 9 will benefit from an AIO.
Custom water cooling looks and performs awesome. Be prepared for frequent maintenance and time for troubshooting.
Honestly water cooling is overrated and risky.
I’m not willing to take that risk.
plz don't put a $130 AIO on your $200 7600X
I slapped an Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360mm on my 7600 and it is nice to know that temps never exceeds 70C. I know that these chips are made to run 95C 24/7, but i never felt comfortable doing so. And now i have an cooler that would still be sufficient if i upgrade to an higher TDP CPU in the future.
@@TheKims82 My 7500f idles at 40 and maxes at 60 with a $35 Thermaltake Assasin 120.
7600x doesn't need aio to begin with
@@TheKims82 so you spent $280-300 for 6 core 7600 instead of buying a 7700 for $290 and it comes with a cooler
@@rurutuM Yes. I'd say his reasons aren't great, but it's what he's comfortable with running on his hardware. And if he were to upgrade to a 7950X3D later on, that CPU cooler would come in handy.
I bought my son a 12th gen i7 MSI desktop.
It had an AIO water cooler.
Nothing but issues, the desktop would start making clicking noises and shut down, I presume the VRam safety disconnects were shutting off causing clicking sound.
Sent it back for Repair, they replaced the water cooler, same issue continued. Ripped out the water cooler, put in a Noctua D15 Air cooler, dual fans.
Not a single issue since then, runs at 60 to 80C max.
Hardware benefits from staying cooler in performance and longevity of your pieces. Get AIO'S bigger than you need keep it running at our below 50% .
Watercooler is much easier to change the thermal paste on, and less likely to snap your board in travel from your heatsink weighing more than a smartcar.
You forgot a very important factor. Is that I never have to deal with dust on my card or motherboard anymore. All I need to do is clean the radiator fan. Watercooler all the way. Fuck aircooling.
Watercooling is WAAAAYYYYYY more maintience, you have to change fluids maintain pumps, maintain levels........... on top of dusting becuase you still have fans moving air over radiators
So far i only used AIOs. I was and am really considering doing a custom loop. My reasons are 50/50 in performance and having fun doing it.
However i get the feeling performance wise watercooling only makes sense, when you have maxed out all parts, i.e. 4090 and i9 right now. Cause getting a 4080 and spending 500$ on a custom loop will get worse performance than buying a stock air cooled 4090 for the same money.
Liquid cooling is nice. It can be a good option, but it's subject to the law of diminishing returns for sure.
Me with my Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280 AIO. Although, I’m nervous after knocking over a tall glass of ice water into the mesh top of my computer case and frying the motherboard. I thought everything else was okay. Now, my Ryzen 7 7800X3D PC is pulling 120-130W while idling, doing virtually nothing. It should be more like 60-75 W at idle. On a new motherboard.
I wanted a custom loop cooled pc for years. But I don't want to spend time maintaining it. And don't have anyone to show it off to.
aio mostly do look nicer if the hoses are just the right length but some are too long and gangly for the case...
Its been ruining my life for the last 10 years. I use watercooling because it looks better and i dont like having a chunky piece of metal stressing my motherboard.
I think fan noise is a big factor for me. I will gladly spend $100 more to have reduced fan noise for that 6 year replacement phase.
Performance benefits very much still exist, but today you have to be much more selective about the parts you choose that may benefit, i have just taken a 7900XT and made it preform in a Fractal North to the level of a 7900XTX... and to do that 'all' i needed was an Alphacool radiator, res & pump, fittings, tubing a very expensive FSP power supply , much work & planning, by which time i would have been happily on the way to a 4090 minus many headaches.., but that's really the point , water cooling is mostly an enthusiast level endeavour if you enjoy tinkering, want quieter operation or for aesthetic purposes or all combined and it's a step too far for most builders, which is fine, everyone who builds a PC has at least a little bit of a tinkerer in them, but it's up to each person to decide their own limits
I totally agree. If you have extra money, just get the upper class product !
What if you have the upper of the upper class product? What if you're on a 14900KS and a 4090 and getting bad temps on the CPU due to it being able to draw 400w and your 250w TDP cooler isn't enough? I do agree with your logic, but that's not the end of the discussion.
Yep like 14900ks on air cooler overclocked to 5.8-6 ghz 😂🙌
@@shrimpwalk8230yeah, thats the only use case I would recommend going watercooling..I'm assuming most of people arnt in this case.
My 14900ks has a mora, my 4090 has a mora. If I go 9800X3D or 15900k Mora, 5090? Mora. Custom loops.
Water cooling makes parts last longer. Heat kills and degrades parts.
I kind of want to slap an AIO on my Asus dual 3070. Are there any solutions that aren't the Kraken G12?
lol you should have made this video 7 months ago before I built my custom loop, but I will say this having a 7900xtx dealing with the hotspot issue and converting it to water cooling has significantly helped temps are stable with 90 to 100% utilization
If it helped your temps in a major way, it sounds fine. In this case, it sounds like it's making a big difference.
@@shrimpwalk8230 Tremendous difference night and day for instance let’s say if I’m driving on assetto corsa or even playing cod air cool normal temp would be like 50c and hotspot would shoot up instantly to around 100c tried everything even re pasting. Finally pugged the trigger on water cool and upgraded to the thermal grizzly paste normal temp could be 40 and hotspot won’t even go above 71c at 89 to full utilization
@@pappabear2119 Damn! That's insanely impressive. Definitely considering the switch myself, but for like a smaller case so I can fit more powerful GPU in an ITX form factor. I'm still in a bigger case right now so I'm thinking about it but just trying to find the right places to get good info on the topic.
I have 360mm + 240mm + 140mm with D5 pump cost a loot and not worth, well I did start from 140mm and upgrade it over time with noctua fans at 1400rpm of 3000rpm.
could overclock my 5600x to 5Ghz by PBO or manually 1.4Vcore 4.85Ghz all cores locked runs 2x TDP over stock.
now 5800x3d and water loop is waste, plan to sell it and get IceGiant ProSiphon Elite and pair it with noctua fans as push-pull
first off: if you're going to do custom water cooling, it should be because you're installing the best parts available and you're still looking for more performance. installing custom liquid cooling on anything but top of the line kit is pointless because you're going to get more of a performance boost by putting that money toward upgrading to the next performance bin. i.e. don't buy a waterblock for a 4080 - sell your 4080 and buy a 4090 and then put a water block on it if you want more. you should never see a custom water block on an i7, ryzen 7, etc. it just doesn't make sense. secondly, custom liquid cooling (at least to me) makes way more sense than using an aio because you can customize placement and tube routing with a custom loop, and you can maintain your custom loop better than a closed loop cooler. when a clc gets full of crap you throw it away and buy a new one, when a custom loop gets full of crap, you pull it apart, drain it, shock it if you need to, rinse it all out, put it all back together, and fill it up again. radiators should last pretty much forever, pumps (particularly d5 pumps) should last pretty much forever, so if you already have rads and a pump, when you upgrade parts, you only need new blocks for the new parts (assuming you can't reuse your cpu block with the new cpu type). tl;dr: custom loops CAN make sense for high end builders who buy top end parts, but for mid range builders, gamers in particular, it may not make that much sense in which case, I agree, I usually recommend an air cooler (the noctua nh-d15 is my usual go-to for most folks and noctua provides free mounts for future cpus as they come out, compatibility and waranty is amazing, and it cools better than most aios.
I've had a corsair watercooler in my mini desktop since 2014, its still running fine though the pumps more noisy (all in one, not custom, customs horrid ive had it)
So how do you cool 13900K or 14900K??????????????????????????????
Just wanted to say that I'm still using the original CPU heatsink and fan on my 2010 build. They will last. Oh and all but 1 fan case as well.
You dont have to replace the whole aio if it fails, it's usually the fan that fails same as air cooling
It’s the pump that usually fails, not the fans, in which case you have to replace the whole thing. Had 4 pumps fail on me before switching to air cooling.
And any decent AIO's come with a minimum of 5 year warranty. Often 6 years. Wich also include the fans.
@@Exeonz Really? Over what lifespan and with what cooler? It could just be a common problem with your specific cooler if you got the same one. I've had an Arctic for a little over a year with no problems and reliable operation, even without the washers that came with the cooler. (couldn't remove from motherboard since I had a faulty board overvolting my RAM to death)
@@shrimpwalk8230 over a span of a couple of years, cooler master, thermal take, corsair. Many of them don’t even honor the warranty, to get a replacement you’d have to send them the broken unit and wait weeks for them to receive it, test it, make sure that yes it is broken and send out a replacement unit, which idk who would wait that long to have a functioning pc again so many would just buy a new unit instead.
@@shrimpwalk8230 over a span of a couple of years, cooler master, thermaltake, corsair. To get a replacement many companies take weeks to send a replacement unit, idk who would wait that long to have a functioning pc again so many just purchase a new aio and the cycle continues.
So, if you don't overclock your CPU or GPU, watercooling wouldn't even be necessary. I don't really understand why people Overclock their Computers to begin with. But I guess I am old fashioned!
Yea try air cooling a 7950x and a 13/14900k a tower cooler will most likely have clearance issues (I use an aio)
If you have a I9-13900K or an I9-14900K you need an AIO or the CPU will Throttle down or worse burn itsefl out. Maybe the new tower coolers using 140 mm Fans maybe enough if you don't do heavy workloads.
Good air coolers exist yk
Most people cool workstations with those
And no they aint tower coolers with 140mm fans
@@deher9110 There's also noise. Those very good air coolers could come with bad noise or large size, large enough that you may not have a lot of case space, which could be bad if you're working with a smaller form factor build. Custom liquid cooled ITX pcs are amazing.
I LOVE custom water cooling!!! I would much rather have the step down of a graphics card in order to have the fantastic look of a custom water cooled pc . I would do that EVERY TIME.
All my watercooled PCs are dead silent. Not sure what pumps you're buying, lol....plus air cooling always has my cpu temps right at the thermal limit while the watercooled cpus are neve above 60c which prolongs the life of your components. Heat is the main killer of pc parts.
I prefer sealed AIOs over water cooling
Preferably more airflow than using water cooler. Less hassle, only use fans if necessary 6 fans will do. 3 120 mm fans or 140 mm fans better. As the intake
2 120 mm fans at the top of casing and one at the back. If nwcessary for performance simply add a desk fan. Big enough yet. With low wattage as to i crease the cooling and the pc performance
Of course to keep the wattage lower use the fan for your workplace to add more air into your pc. If can I once see this dude create custome airflow path for his pc.
AIO extra hassle? I find AIOs much easier to install than air coolers and add to that much easier ram access, better GPU access, and better airflow in the case all add up to I only use AIOs. I have only ever used Corsair H100i AIOs and while maybe they don't cool as well as some of the others, I have only had 1 out of about 12 where pump went bad. Custom water cooling not worth it in my opinion but for me AIOs are a no brainer.
Try to get 58°C with a Ryzen 9 5900X at full load.
With air cooler is impossible, with AIO it is.
ATM I'd reccommend AIO's due to these results.
I don't want to be "that guy", but wasn't custom water cooling ALWAYS not worth the extra efficiency you may get over air cooling?
Yeah, in terms of budget sense, it isn't too efficient. In terms of just maxing out your performance though, custom water cooling does seem to be the next step.
I use AIOs precisely because of the looks but I would never build a custom water loop 😂
It’s just too tedious and potentially much more expensive because of maintenance and voiding warranties lol
"Water cooling" is better fone with other liquids, and liquid cooling is just another versions of air cooling where the air cools the fins on the radiator rather than direct on the fins of the block mounted to the IHS. You never left air cooling behind. You just added to it with a hybrid system. Fans = Air even if there are other components.
Water removes heat much better than just a heatsink/fan..plus you get a crap ton more surface area to dissipate the heat on radiators vs heatsinks.
@@GSP-76 it would depend on the temperature of the "water". But no one is arguing whether air cooling is potentially more performant than a hybrid system...
But the way you reduce the temperature of the liquid is by blowing air over fins, which is also known as air cooling.
@@MikeNovelli of course, end of the day, this is all ambient cooling. The difference is only in the heat transfer methods directly on the component...I do think there's a massive amount of disinformation out there on cooling performance though. If you build out a custom loop with 2-3 360mm rads with high performance fans, air cooling or even a high end AIO doesn't even come close. My last three systems have all been custom loops and I could never go back lol...but the price issue is real. Custom loops are ridiculously expensive and due to that it's mainly seen as an aesthetic build these days..which isn't true either but the advantages are there.
@@GSP-76 "advantages" can be relative. If your chip is staying cool enough that it is not thermal throttling the perceived performance gain is about as important as RGB vs ARGB... 🤷🏼♂️
I recommend Aio but not customs , Aio keeps my pc cool in the southwest desert, when i build pcs for people I do Air coolers so I don't have to ever worry
I only got an Aio for the customizable lcd
I knew water cooling was a shame. i dont even need to watch this video, air cooling is KiNg!
Highest end air coolers perform as good as water coolers. Deep cool Assassin 4, Noctua NH-D15 and Be quiet Dark Rock pro 5. Be quiet Dark Rock pro 5 is truly quiet.
Try to overclock a 14900ks on both a highest end air cooler and a highest end liquid cooler.
TOO LATE! I've already been doing it for years, and now I had to mortgage the house! Nah jokes aside ive got like a $2500 loop I'm building atm, shits crazy 😅
I water cool for longevity and not for the extra performance but that is one of the benefits especially back in the day cause heat kills computer components the cooler you run it the longer it will last and I have never had a Motherboard, CPU or GPU, and RAM go bad on me ever since I started watercooling with a custom loop back in 2012 before that I would often have parts stop working within a year or three myu i7 2600K is still working as my parents computer and it still water cooled to this day.
That sounds great! Glad to hear it's still working all these years later! Is maintenance a chore or is it nice? Would like to get more into the topic of custom water cooling.
@@shrimpwalk8230 A custom loop is actually not as expensive as they were making it out to be as you can get good parts for cheap in Ali Express just don't buy the Water Pump there get it from a known brand instead. I actually started out with modded H100i after the pump died one morning was able to find a guy online selling conversion kits that comes with some tubes, reservoir and an EK Pump I just used prestone as my coolant since the radiator was aluminum lasted for 5 years before the pump died out but my brother inherited it a while back so I replaced the pump and got a cooper radiator and its been running to this day. Maintenance is actually pretty simple too just take off all the fans as they can damage your components if spin around on their own then blow out all the dust with a leaf blower every once a year if your a neat freak you can do it every 6 months .
Highend intel needs an aio to cool it so it doesn’t thermal throttle.
Why is it made that way some1 @ intel fucked up if you can't just strap an nhd15 and be ok
@@hoodiekid8439 It's because Intel is boosting the fuck outta the voltage on their CPUs to compete with AMD. Check out the Tekken drama.
Not true. Plenty of air coolers that'll cool high end Intel that have been released this year.
@@ShadowWing48 if you say so as intel chip burn out.
Yep all the new chips are severly over volted. Take a 5800x for example. 4.8 or pbo at 1.5v.
You get better perf at 1.2 volts with an all core oc. Cb scores are higher and run cooler. Intel failing hard all over the world as returns skyrocket.
Get a peerless assassin, under volt with an all core oc and no more monster heat and high temps. There for water cooling is pointless.
Hi man, read this please. I saw der8auer recently testing AIO without a pump, which i found interesting and didn’t thought it was possible.
Still using the same H80 aio from 2012. Lmao.
Aio’s with little customizable led screens are definitely worth the money imo
Depends
Under 150 sure
Anything over that is way overpriced
Depends on the budget of the system, but I would agree if the money is something that can be coughed up.
AIO's are good, if you don't get one with an LCD screen it can be very cheap too. "80 to 200+ dollars" uhm, no...quit buying Corsair and NZXT. A good AIO is not even close to being that expensive.
Some people don't have to worry about price and just want a high end aio. It's all subjective. If someone has a 4090 and 7800x3d then it doesn't hurt to spend 300 on a nice aio since no other part can really be improved. Now if someone is specifically getting lower end cpu just to get a $200 aio with it then that's where it becomes a bad idea.
Dude look at my system in avatar, My 3990X OCed to 4.3 from 2,9 and runs at 35 to 40 C i love my wter cooling
,,,and def your bank balance
Next it"ll be "Dont game on PC", go Console. I thought this guy was on the Premium side. Not the Stone Age side. It's all about that Nu Nu
This is so true but so much fun
AIOs are easy and you get the cooler performance
i got a 30$ cooler
Im sorry but, I CARE ABOUT AESTHETICS!!!
Air coolers are more and more aesthetics !
This is valid why are you sorry you like the look of pipes like in an engine bay i like my topdown thermalright cooler(I AWAIT A FULL COPPER VERSION OF)
Air cooling has better aesthetics
@@JohnCena-um5uo lol, no it doesn't.
@@JohnCena-um5uo uhm no. ratio
AIOs FTW.
I like to do it msyelf to know it is solid and done well.
But to be clear, I use barbs, those extra rings with screws to secure them better, just clear water, thickest black tubing I can find, dual pump if at all possible for higher pressure and otherwise failover, all about performance and 0 about looks.
Though of course, I use a 2U case and not a tower.
Lol aio water cooling forever !!! ❤
true
How will AMD ever recover from this?? oh wait wrong video.
Nah my 650$ AMD CPU deserves a decent AIO😂 don't care about Air cooling anwmore after seeing in rl that it looks better and cleaner ^^
True! For people with easier to cool CPUs, sure! But stuff like x3ds and i9s deserve more! Putting $650 bucks into a CPU and not being willing to spend money to maintain it's peak performance is blasphemy to me.
I would like to water cool my toaster please
I've been telling people alot of your key points for a while now. It was needed years ago, but now days? Nothing much is gained.
And my self running a ryzen 7900x on a BeQuiet Darkrock pro 4, its gaming temps are 70 MAX. Yet SUPER quiet, can't even tell its running half the time.
Mean while, I've seen AIO's barely able to keep up.
You can buy a high-end Intel & a $200 water cooler, or you can just buy an AMD and keep it cool with a large dollop of mayonnaise
Choose wisely (👉 ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)👉
You can buy a high-end Intel with 24 cores and high clock speeds, a kit of RAM that is at least 6800MHz for ideal performance, although you still can use DDR4 for way cheaper, and a $200 water cooler to properly maintain your hardware (or do research and get an Arctic 360MM AIO, they're solid for just $100), or you can just buy an AMD, have stability issues at anything over 6400mhz, not be able to use DDR4 RAM, have to undervolt or tweak to keep temperatures down, and all of that for reduced performance in productivity and identical performance in gaming. Atleast try to accurately represent both sides of the argument instead of presenting a false dilemma.
@@shrimpwalk8230 Very few people are going to use DDR4 on a modern system, so nobody really cares about that.
AMD has had some stability issues, but I've never heard of anyone undervolting to keep the heat down. Maybe if they were OC'ing, running a $15 heatsink, or if they see 75°C and start panicking because their brains are stuck in 2003. Either way, modern Intels have more trouble with heat than AMDs.
Only reason to use Intel is if you're constantly doing 3D renders or video-editing.
I often find this guy's videos annoying cos he comes across as some crackhead that contradicts himself from one video to the next...
However, on this subject, I agree..
Overclocking used to be worth 35%+ more performance... Hell, I've had multiple chips over the years that outright gained >50% more clock speed!... But now, because the manufacturers are utilising boost technologies, they're already pushing their chips close to their limits, and sure enough an overclock will gain you less than 10%... I guess the only exception to this is with RAM, where tightened timings along with other system optimisations can gain you more than 10% improvement still, but that's not coming at the expense of extra heat on the CPU/GPU...
Cases have also improved. Sure there are still a lot of crap airflow cases, but there's also a much greater number of cheap but well designed cases on the market now. Watercooling originally came about as a very DIY solution to dissipating overclocking heat in crap case designs.
The best arguments for watercooling now are:
1) I've got a piss poor designed Intel 13900K(s)/14700K/14900K(s), where Intel just pushed more power at their CPU in order to compete with AMD in workflow performance.
2) I travel to Lan parties a lot, so I don't want to get stress microfractures on my motherboard from my massive air cooler vibrating in the car for hours.
Other than that, they're really not neccessary... A well designed airflow case, coupled with a cheap but effective air cooler like the PA120SE/PS120SE, and maybe some ducted intakes to guide cool air to the CPU and GPU intakes are all that's required... (there does appear to be a bit of a resurgence in ducted intakes... this was also "a thing" back when watercooling was just starting out, obviously being a cheaper option to improve cooling performance, but I think it became a bit of a "forgotten art" for a couple of decades because cooler capacity improved whilst CPU power consumption actually reduced for quite a long period)
All this being said, I am hyppocritically running a custom loop in an SFF case: NR200, 240mm XSPC slim top radiator, Alphacool 280mm fat bottom radiator, 3080 10G with dual EK waterblocks front and rear, 12700k with Arctic Freezer 2 ex-AIO pump/block, both the CPU & GPU are undervolted and overclocked, and the radiators and PSU have all Nocpooa fans fitted (with 4x nocpooa fans on the radiators and the undervolt, the PC was silent, but I thought I'd set up a fan curve wrong because I could hear a fan whilst gaming - turned out it was the PSU fan that was audible under load! DOH!... So I ended up stripping the PSU and replacing it's internal fan with a Nocpooa too. NOW my PC is silent.)
Methheads are making tech videos now?