STOSSEL TESTING THERAPEUTIC TOUCH
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2009
- A fantastic example of the application of the scientific method to the claims of quackery! Featuring Emily Rosa, the youngest person ever to publish in the prestigious JAMA -- Journal of the American Medical Association.
> "I don't need explanations because I have faith"
Face, meet Palm.
Such a smart girl. I’d be damn proud of her if she were my kid.
The fact that a 9 year old disproved it is killing me lol
Can you wave your hands and spout platitudes? Congratulations you're now a new age healer.
There's only one definite conclusion we can get from the end of this video:
Sugar has incredible powers in pill form!
This is 100% of people just experiencing ASMR over anything, probably a placebo but they can feel it in their minds and that’s about it.
Exactly.
Emily Rosa deserves a SKEPTIC of the year award.
Placebo effect is amazing and useful. And its based on faith. Gotta love where science goes.
Emily Rosa rules! These people would never have volunteered to do a study by an adult skeptic. However, even though it is quackery, if people are stupid enough to believe in therapeutic touch it could help them, as the placebo effect is a real and powerful effect.
Emily was published in JAMA!! She rocks!
And so a young person is able to see how ridiculous these sham healers, Yet people twice her age are still too stupid to grasp the reality of it.
2:57 I guess she got a good grade on her assignment :D
@bvolsky Actually she did. The fundamental principle of TT is that the practitioner is manipulating the patient's "energy field". So if TT has ANY legitimacy at all, at the most basic level a practitoner must be able to feel the so-called energy field in order to manipulate it, or else all they are doing is waving their hands randomly over the person's body. None of those tested were able to detect anything, at best they guessed at a rate less than random chance. GAME OVER.
Placebo is marvelous. Do they make Broad-Spectrum varieties?
"I don't need explanations because I have faith."
Whoever said the energy needed to be "Balanced" in the first place? That's like saying every lightbulb in your house has to be exactly same voltage.
Very clever experimental set up. The James Randi would be proud.
Catholic priests are specialists practicing Therapeutic Touch. Particularly in schools...
@amberfwn The video shows that lots of people can convince themselves that they have special healing powers simply because they want to believe that. People aren't just motivated by money. Feeling that they can heal someone can give them a sense of purpose in life.
What is the best description of the kind of research that Emily performed relating to therapeutic touch?
a) An experiment.
b) An Observational study.
c) A correlational study.
d) A case study.
I needd the answer
Yevinz I’d call it an experiment. And Emily’s hypotheses is that those people were completely full of shit.
Gold star for Emily. ⭐️
Thumbs down for quacks.👎
I am so proud of the liltle girl
Goddamned do I miss Stossel.
We need a skeptic on mainstream news again...
You mean Stossel, the guy who made a whole documentary about how global warming is basically a hoax? I believe you can still catch him on Fox News..
Ya, unfortunately, he has turned to the Dark Side. Since the late 90s, he's been a darling of Fox News and Conservative quackery. Too bad, cuz he used to do great work. (In his book, he said that gas prices aren't all that high because a gallon of milk is more expensive than a gallon of gas. What American family uses 20 gallons of milk per month?)
Stossel was a stooge. He was pretentious and was all about promoting his own opinions. Even when I agreed with him, I thought he was insufferable.
Where can i see the published article?
Fuck yeah, i hope she expoce more of these quakers!
@AskAlice24
Yeah, I often find that these quack therapies serve as a kind of substitute for religious belief in people who've abandoned organized religion. It's a bizarre phenomenon, the way so many people who believe in alternative therapies believe lock-stock-and-barrel in every alternative therapy uncritically.
So many believers see no conflict between herbalism and homeopathy, despite the fact they work on opposite principles; ie chemistry vs the law of infinitesimals.
@nguyency77
the physiological effect isn't what is desired. All that matters to TT is whether the patient feels better. You dont have to believe in whether TT works or not, but you have to realize that if a doctor's main concern is his patient's health, then he also knows their health is proportional to their mental state. Psychology. I'd eliminate non-placebo from your requirements, because, well, why should it matters? Healing effects are healing effects, whether you can explain them or not.
This days, anything is good when a kid is part of it.
i was born on the day this was posted
@ThePurdude
I couldn't agree more!!!
Great!!! Live long to science!!!!
***** :)
@Smithpolly
I second this. I'm Asian and half the stuff my parents believe in makes no sense. Kind of like TT.
This is ASMR! a brain massage. It soothes people and releases stress therefore it can actually cure sleep disorder, srtess disorder, anxiety etc. Moreover some physichal illnesses are related to phsychological condition such as dermal conditions, heartburn, headache vs.
4:32 it's Milo yiannanoplous
Alexander The Great way too old, plus he has an American accent
A lot of people seems to fill well and get better with the aplication of therapies like reiki and TT whatever the explanations are. Is it wise to abdicate from those therapies (that in my opinion sould be use only like a complement of convencional medicine) just because we don´t know if exists such "magic" energy?
Guessing rt. or It. Hand...is a carnival game.
@Biohazard1999 Why?
Is that stossels voice?
I just read Emily`s paper on the JAMA web-site. ★★★★★
Katalyzt
Maybe fear could decrease if specially, doctors were more caring and take more time listening to their patients and being empathetic.
@nguyency77 I have enough work here on people I know to travel there. Also, we would have no need for most doctors if any if everyone could learn to heal. I never leaned to heal, it came naturally. You should open your mind more.
Well why don't you design an experiment that takes those factors into account and win yourself a Nobel? If you succeed your name will be immortalized as being responsible for changing human understandings in one of the most profound ways in history.
good placebo effect at least
@grnidgrl2005 Doesn't mean it does.
I'm actually surprised the practitioners couldn't sense anything, after being a willing participant to my mother who was an RN and adopted therapeutic touch as an additional healing method, Its undisputed that something happens when you recieve this. I can't speak for the people in the video but the calming affect it had on myself and other members of my family and friends was truly remarkable (huge understatement). Without discussing this with anyone, I had made the decision to change my fitness plan from no weights to more cardio and hiking and my mother was able to read the shift in energy in my body from a less physical to more cerebral type of energy as i got older. Maybe everyone can't do it but I do know there is something there. Even now as i respond to this video, i can feel strange sensations as my mother experiments while my eyes are blindfolded. I'm discovering in life that many peoples' purpose seems to be to prove that they are somehow more intelligent or important then every one else. If you align with positive thinking everything changes. Wishing everyone the best
there's more going on that any one of us will ever see
There are many benefits to meditation. Thinking about and controlling your thinking can have a physical benefit on your health. Imagining that you are manipulating someone else's energy field is fun, but has no basis in reality.
That said, if the placebo works, go for it!
@Biohazard1999 Right. NOW she is. This video is several years old, when she could only be referred to as 'cute.' But yes, now she has become a very attractive adult.
I fucking love James Randi
@bvolsky LOL You don't seem to understand how science works. Nurses are usually pretty confused about this. The scientific process requires that we look at the big picture, not a few studies. When we do that, we see that the LARGE majority of well designed studies show no such effect of TT. It's also interesting that you cite only studies from Nursing journals, which are rife with errors in methodology and procedure. The blind leading the blind. Look up "Trick or Treatment," by Ernst & Singh.
People will believe anything but a savior
Its like religion, if people believe it, and think an omnipresent being controls everything. Theni t will be true for them. You don't believe in it fine, you can't be convinced. You do believe in it, fine, you can't be convinced of anything else.
Is Therapeutic Touch legal now
You would be surprised at some of the elusive phenomena that scientists have been able to detect and quantify. The discovery of the neutrino despite its extremely weak and changing effects is just one great triumph in that regard. If healing touch and its ilk really worked it would be a comparative walk in the park to scientifically demonstrate. Does the truth matter to you? Would you be fine with what you do if you knew it was just a placebo and a comforting lie?
@3642130 "NOT allowing me to demonstrate them! ". offer em money. if u can do this the million is yours what does it matter to pay alittle now for the time to demonstrate.
*Stares in indigenous*
@amberfwn
Then please, come visit the nursing home where I work and kindly "heal" my suffering patients. See if your healing touch can take away their pain of being abandoned by their own children, of living with dementia, of their families just waiting for them to die so that they could split the inheritance. No one has that kind of power, ma'am. If people truly did, we would have no need for doctors.
@bvolsky The fact that you're taking information from WikiPedia speaks volumes about your ability to determine truth from fiction. Falling back on the philosophical notion that we can never really know anything is pretty lame, Mr Socrates. If you think that science can offer nothing useful (e.g., "proof" as you define it), then why do you drive a car? Why do you take aspirin? Why do you eat "healthy" foods? Why do you wash your hands before eating? After all, these all came from science!
أحد مشاهدي الدكتور الفحل هيثم طلعت مر من هنا ..
Many mistakes were made during this "investigation". It is ok because she is a little girl, but to be frank this kind of statements were also made about Acupuncture years ago.
Yooo they lost to a 4th grader
These people who believe in it should not be practicing.
@amberfwn
I refuse to believe in anything that is not supported by good science. If it means endangering my patients, I have no time nor patience for ponies and rainbows. If doing TT makes you happy, fine. Until you or any other TT "practitioner" can show me that your work can have a positive, non-placebo, KEY WORD physiological healing effect, I will not waste my time believing in this non-sense.
LOL There's the playbook excuse I was expecting. Why not be honest and admit that you know you couldn't pass a test even if it took account of the factors you raised? It's clear to me that your initial comment about this test was empty posturing.
Truth - Emily Rosa is the HOTTEST scientist in the world now :)
@AIn8dx As a healer I think most healers do feel the human energy. I though can heal but I don't feel any human energy.
What evidence leads you to believe that you can heal?
@TheBilly They hypothesis here is obvious to someone with a brain, "Will Therapeutic Touch Therapy heal (insert illness) better than no treatment (or a sham treatment)?" See how easy that was? The fact that you couldn't think that up on your own (as a gradeschool child should be able to do) means that your opinion on this matter is of no value whatsoever.
Nice try currently jobless TT practitioner
No t parece que es una muestra escasa para que aporte un resultado creíble?
Por Dios. Por que no dices que su padrastro es graduado en estadística..esto tiene tela por dónde cortar
@nguyency77 I heal people with my hands, I take pain away. I don't charge and it comes natural to me. Whether you believe it or not is up to you.
Sugar is not a placebo.
there is research showing the effectiveness of distance healers. paper # PMC1305403
The paper you cite actually shows ' no discernible effect'. It references another metastudy which concluded 7 trials had a very small statistically significant effect on intercessionary prayer, but 10 didn't. That looks a lot like non-effectiveness of distance healers since 'statistically significant' could mean as low as 5% success rate. It also notes that in total, the 'most rigorous studies had failed to produce any significant results'. Don't underestimate the placebo effect: whatever the faith system of participants...god, sacrificing goats,voodoo....if the belief is strong enough, reduction of symptoms will be attributed to that belief.
are we looking at the same study? The one I'm talking about is called "A randomized double-blind study of the effect of distant healing in a population with advanced AIDS. Report of a small scale study." by Sicher et al
they write: "At 6 months, a blind medical chart review found that treatment subjects acquired significantly fewer new AIDS-defining illnesses (0.1 versus 0.6 per patient, P = 0.04), had lower illness severity (severity score 0.8 versus 2.65, P = 0.03), and required significantly fewer doctor visits (9.2 versus 13.0, P = 0.01), fewer hospitalizations (0.15 versus 0.6, P = 0.04), and fewer days of hospitalization (0.5 versus 3.4, P = 0.04). Treated subjects also showed significantly improved mood compared with controls (Profile of Mood States score -26 versus 14, P = 0.02)."
These people were suffering from AIDS and were assigned to receive remote healing, or nothing, and they were not told whether they were in the treatment group or the control group, so there's no placebo effect
Sorry to say but from my understanding of touch you must be a believer to feel the effects (or push your energy on someone) and she is a non believer so she won't put off the same energy. I have had Reiki - a type of therapeutic touch therapy that is similar to what the medical personnel in this video are doing and I have always felt the heat or coldness in my body - also her hands were, in my opinion too far away to feel the energy. Usually you are 1-3 inches from the body, not 4-6.
Es un error infantil querer explicar la fé con ciencia. Expliquen ustedes grandes científicos como la fé en algo ha curado lo que la ciencia no.
This was very interesting, but, who else gets the feeling that this kid was just a mouthpiece for other people?
Probably just you and those who fell for the quackers. Touch "therapy" practiotioners also want you to believe that they can "manipulate" energy without being able to justify their claims. Your point is...?
Reiki was not discovered to find where the left of the rigth hand is located. Science parctioners should remember common sense; the answers depend of the type of questions and their contexts. Reiki is not adivination. Folks!
Seems those Reiki masters that participated here are not agree with you
She is just an ignorant of the method of natural healing. The test is misleading, she never put Reiki to the test, she is testing the ability of someone to feel other people's energy through his or her hand which has nothing to do with Reiki.
If you want to test Reiki, you must test the benefits of that therapy in a group when reiki is given by therapists and not therapists. The patients should not know whether the person is or not a therapist, that is the only way to conduct a serious experiment. She is just a child, but even OMS recognizes the benefits of Reiki nowadays.
Emily is only an arrogant ignorant person who dares to talk about something she does not know. To give an opinion you must know about the subject you are going to talk about.
As of 2010, emily rosa is ridiculously hot