“He didn’t want to reveal his method, because it would end his career… so I went to a bunch of other experts to see if I could expose it and ruin his career”
Great point, Gaba! However, we're all guilty of being so anxious to know that we watched the video. The word "reveal" is in the title and many of us wouldn't have stopped to watch it if that word weren't in there.
@raceblakhart4941 Theres an old video somewhere on TH-cam with Teller actually talking. I believe he was checking out some insane cup and balls trick from India or the Middle East. I dunno, it's been a decade since I've seen it.. but it exists
Penn and Teller have a rule - they only reveal obvious secrets (that have been around for an age, and you can get in any kid's magic kit) or secrets they have invented themselves. They won't reveal other magician's secrets, because that's their livlihood.
+itsmebrad23 but not the secret behind it. "A mentalist trick" is the topic and "reveal the secret" is what we're discussing... Just because they showed the trick doesn't mean they revealed anything.
The video isn't important. You notice he never said in the video that there was 325 gumballs in it. He just said that she was off by 2. So if we take your number 5 and he would just write 3 on the paper inside the envelope and the video would still be right.
Missed Lethal I know but I am just using your example and if he wanted to use that number he could have. Or picked another number from a different judge that was more realistic. You can see Oz write the number 327 when he stood behind the host. If you look closely you can see him writing it. So the video would always be right because the only number that mattered was the one that he wrote down...
It's a shame to choose Oz Pearlman because he doesn't claim to be psychic or have any supernatural powers. He's actually a humble and likeable man providing entertainment. Far better to aim your criticisms at people like Lior Suchard who claims to really have fake powers like spoon-bending. Those types of charlatans deserve to be exposed.
many of them do. for example, the clairvoyants on this seasons AGT. and the show sort of makes it that way with the music and making him seem like a "mentalist"
Fast N Bulbous I was just about to say that. They're advertising themselves as magicians. People pay money to be fooled, there's no point in dissecting that. When people lie and say they have superpowers, and then scam people into paying to see that sort of stuff, that's when its too far.
I've been watching oz since his early days at penguin magic back in 2002. He is one of the leaders of his craft. Bravo oz! I am happy for all of your success!
it is sad, because it says reveal and actually nothing was revealed.. yeah penn and teller "revealed" a trick, it's a trick that some children naturally think of and use to fool one of their friends -.-
+VanFarnel1 If you don't see how that simple trick is related to his complicated trick, then I guess it's pretty obvious why you think all of this is real in the first place.
Sen Der I'm not missing anything... Like I implied I don't believe in psychic powers and the signaling part is quite obvious even to the biggest idiots, but thanks for explaining the obvious. I'm not complaining about this trick being for children, but that the trick is not a secret (especially the signal part) and therefor can't be considered reveal.
4:48 this was actually a really awesome answer! he doesn't know what you're going to say, but he knows everything you could say and has such a great response for each option that you feel he read your mind.
So not a fan of how they treated Oz, an incredible professional, pressing him to reveal his secrets and then trying to decode his trick like this. OBVIOUSLY, it's not real magic. There's no such thing and Oz isn't claiming to be a wizard. I felt this was very rude and unprofessional way to treat a seasoned performer. I'm a magician too, and that's how I expect eight-year-olds to act, not adults, and definitely not on television.
Avi Hoffman Same! Not even amazing magicians go to others shows and yell things like "CARD FORCE!!!" or whatever during the show... this is just rude and unprofessional!
Christopher Taylor The advent of puff pieces for entertainment value has always been a thing. This is “inside edition”...you weren’t expecting serious news, were you?
Watch the video again with Mel-b. In his “future video”, all he says was 2 more balls. So... all he had to do was write, like they suggested, just 2 more than Mel b
I don't get her - Did she really think this guy can actually read minds? Of course it's all an illusion and he is only doing his job to entertain people!
I'm pretty sure Derren Brown's one of the few "actual" mentalists, aka he actually influences people and/or picks up on cues to pull off most of his tricks
Penn and teller would never reveal someone else's secrets because for on thing, they don't want to be shamed in the industry amongst other professionals using or selling that same method they're divulging.
@Tom Dunn hi there and i also didn't believe that he could predict anyone's answers because that's in possible to do but if a real psychic was on America's got talent then that person would probably predict someone's future and the judges future so i guess that he is a fake psychic if he is one
I actually admire the _hell_ out of Penn & Teller NOT revealing the guy's method (if indeed they knew what it was). it IS an act, it IS a skill. big time. if anyone could do it, they would. and they do. they try. you don't bust on your own . . . unless they start to get big for the boots and claim supernatural powers or voice of "god" or something. then you're dealing with deception, emotional manipulation, spiritual lies . . . bad, bad stuff.
Come on, I am the only one who genuinely loved this story? And the interviewer? She put in a lot of work, she was not trying to insult or humiliate anyone and she was genuinely enthusiastic about the whole thing. Just lovely
Back when the "Masked Magician" was showing us a lot of big stage stunts - most of which were pretty guess-able if you thought about them - I kept wishing he'd show things like this! B-(
FYI the masked magician didn’t expose as many secrets as you’d think. He showed some possibilities on how some effects could be done, but nothing performed by major acts. I guarantee if you went to see David Copperfield, none of what he showed would help.
@@Rhewin I still find stunts like "Vanishing the Statue of Liberty" and "Walking Through the Great Wall of China" pretty obvious. The bigger, the easier to figure out, very often.
First off, clickbait: don't use p&t as headline when they're not. Second, don't mess with the mentalist's source of income -_- find a better angle to make your clickbait worth it. Or just stick a cat on your show. -_-
How one makes the hidden drawing doublication trick? Like Uri Geller did. With a pre drawn picture he definitely couldn't see? Any video related to that on yt? Haven't found an exact reproduction.
@@BeyondTheMind007 when he saw her number you can see him writing on a piece of paper he wrote a number that was two different than her number so the video would work no matter what
@@ddd1hhh No lol it was just one video. Mel had already written 325 and when the envelope was held facing the audience he pressed out the shape of the numbers 327 with his finger. The video always said mel 2 off. It's such a simple concept but it was executed flawlessly. Still a great trick!
No doubt, I was just pointing out the fact that there's no point in doing "Fool Us", because all you win is a chance to perform in Vegas....which he already does.
If anyone wants to know how the magician does the trick that shows you a lot of words and he says what did you picked The just keep a pause on the word they want and your mind locks on it
This would be a great report if they didnt include the part where she reveals how a magic trick is done as if she's like reporting on fraud or something. How unintelligent. And way to ruin the fun.
That's an easy one. I don't want to spoil it here as maybe people want to keep the illusion. But I will give you a hint: there is a classic American comedy troupe whose name tells you exactly how it's done.
There's the guy who climbs on the chair to take down the envelope. He switches that envelope with one in which he has a paper in which he wrote the answers as he heard them from the audience. Note that the video does not linger on him taking down the envelope but cuts to where she is taking out the piece of paper.
Read my mind "without" me TELLING you, or SAYING one, word. At all. Read my mind, "WITHOUT" you SAYING one word, Or, ASKING me any questions. At all. Don't touch my hands, face, head, shoulders, NADA. At all. Just, stare at me. We can even turn our backs away from each other. Read, my, mind. That's it. That's all .
he should have used a variation of the toxic force.........large number divided by 4 (judges) = mels number or all their guess combined then divided by 4 = mels number
2:36 He puts a small marker which was holding in his right hand to his pocket, and if you look at his hand while holding the envelop you will notice he is holding the pen between index and thumbs! Nice try!
If he makes a video that says mel b was off by two, all he has to do is wait to see her prediction and then write a number either two numbers higher or lower than what she guessed. The prerecorded video doesnt matter as long as what he writes corresponds to it.
Biggest trick of all is how you got me to watch this video
Ikr her voice is so monotonous it hurts
Amen
Lol precisely ppl should stop crying if they can’t figure it out
i WISH yt HAD A "CLICK BAIT-BUTTON"so we could hate them out of existence
Haha excellent comment, u made the video worth it. 😂❤
“He didn’t want to reveal his method, because it would end his career… so I went to a bunch of other experts to see if I could expose it and ruin his career”
Journalism in a nutshell
Great point, Gaba! However, we're all guilty of being so anxious to know that we watched the video. The word "reveal" is in the title and many of us wouldn't have stopped to watch it if that word weren't in there.
Yup I noticed nick writing something while holding the envelope
So you don't want to know? Because i know most of us want
Secrecy is a terrible excuse because the method is just a very boring and low imagination trick.
Why do I respect Penn and Teller's honesty so much?
Because you love them.
So do I.
Because it's honesty
Because it's rare.
And technically, you respect Penn's honesty. Teller doesn't lie or tell the truth.
Honesty? Telling magic tricks or how mentalists work is not honesty, is not funny.
@raceblakhart4941 Theres an old video somewhere on TH-cam with Teller actually talking. I believe he was checking out some insane cup and balls trick from India or the Middle East. I dunno, it's been a decade since I've seen it.. but it exists
A: Can you keep a secret?
B:Yes!
A: Me, too!
I’m definitely going to use this line in the future! 🤣🤣🤣
And so will everyone else!
How have you not already heard that? That’s ooooooold stuff.
Q: “Can you keep a secret?”
A: *shakes head, no* Yes!
Paraphrased from the great, and underrated, movie Clue. I believe it was Wadsworth (Tim Curry)
Jesus, people have been using that since the CIA was called the OSS... So ooooollllldddddddd.......
One of the best magicians out there. Glad to see Penn and Teller not ragging on his effect.
What? Hahaha
if penn and teller were jerks the could ruin things for many magicians
Nah just leave it Inside Edition to try and steal his shine
When penn and teller act evasive and don’t reveal it’s a secret, you know the guy is keeping it professional and not acting like it’s real. :)
Penn and Teller have a rule - they only reveal obvious secrets (that have been around for an age, and you can get in any kid's magic kit) or secrets they have invented themselves. They won't reveal other magician's secrets, because that's their livlihood.
Not everyone can be as shady as Uri Geller
What?
Nice click bait...
Its not.....
I don't think you know what clickbait means, because this is clearly clickbait
"Penn and Teller Reveal The Secret To Pulling Off A Mentalist Trick"....They did just that. They revealed a mentalist trick.
+itsmebrad23 but not the secret behind it. "A mentalist trick" is the topic and "reveal the secret" is what we're discussing... Just because they showed the trick doesn't mean they revealed anything.
what? they did exactly what they said
Penn and Teller reveal one simply “mentalist” trick that everyone in the audience can see how it’s done. Great reporting.
exactly mentalism is so complicated the easiest mentalism book is 13 steps to and that is still tough for an intermediate magician
Okay? They didn’t promise you any more.
@@shubhsaxena8745 Yeah like you can perform magic that would surprise an audience 😆
@@litgamer6205 its the idea of how its done
now that you know that they have to see it
you can guess
I mean, did you even watch the rest of the video?
That gumball trick sure would have bombed is she guess an unrealistically low number like 5... lol
Yes, or if the actual number of gumballs was counted.
Could have multiple recorded messages so that at least one judge would be pretty much guaranteed to have a reasonable guess.
The video isn't important. You notice he never said in the video that there was 325 gumballs in it. He just said that she was off by 2. So if we take your number 5 and he would just write 3 on the paper inside the envelope and the video would still be right.
Chazim76 except if I look at the gumball jar I can count more than 3 or 7 gumballs.
Missed Lethal I know but I am just using your example and if he wanted to use that number he could have. Or picked another number from a different judge that was more realistic. You can see Oz write the number 327 when he stood behind the host. If you look closely you can see him writing it. So the video would always be right because the only number that mattered was the one that he wrote down...
It's a shame to choose Oz Pearlman because he doesn't claim to be psychic or have any supernatural powers. He's actually a humble and likeable man providing entertainment. Far better to aim your criticisms at people like Lior Suchard who claims to really have fake powers like spoon-bending. Those types of charlatans deserve to be exposed.
That is why they didnt give away his method.
I don’t think this news peace criticised him
It doesn't look like he's claiming any supernatural abilities, so what exactly is the point of this story? It's just stating the obvious.
i agree
many of them do. for example, the clairvoyants on this seasons AGT. and the show sort of makes it that way with the music and making him seem like a "mentalist"
+PapaKay The word "mentalist" implies that he's not trying to really convince anyone that he's psychic.
Fast N Bulbous I was just about to say that. They're advertising themselves as magicians. People pay money to be fooled, there's no point in dissecting that. When people lie and say they have superpowers, and then scam people into paying to see that sort of stuff, that's when its too far.
That's right, the mascara snake.
My dads an amazing magician. He went to the shop one day and disappeared.
😂😂😂
We must have the same dad .. Is your father Tyrone too??
Your dad bought Magic Milk maybe..
My Father said lets play hide and seek. 45 years later he definitely won
What a guilt laugh 😂
This answered zero of my questions
I've been watching oz since his early days at penguin magic back in 2002. He is one of the leaders of his craft. Bravo oz! I am happy for all of your success!
Wow this video is just sad
Showing the truth behind fantasy and lies is sad?....Maybe you're the one who's sad.....
it is sad, because it says reveal and actually nothing was revealed.. yeah penn and teller "revealed" a trick, it's a trick that some children naturally think of and use to fool one of their friends -.-
+VanFarnel1 If you don't see how that simple trick is related to his complicated trick, then I guess it's pretty obvious why you think all of this is real in the first place.
Sen Der I'm not missing anything...
Like I implied I don't believe in psychic powers and the signaling part is quite obvious even to the biggest idiots, but thanks for explaining the obvious. I'm not complaining about this trick being for children, but that the trick is not a secret (especially the signal part) and therefor can't be considered reveal.
I loved that she looks at camera as she says she can keep a secret.
Yeah hahaha
4:48 this was actually a really awesome answer!
he doesn't know what you're going to say, but he knows everything you could say and has such a great response for each option that you feel he read your mind.
The funny thing is that the VAST majority of these "mentalist" feats, were perfected in the 1880's.
So not a fan of how they treated Oz, an incredible professional, pressing him to reveal his secrets and then trying to decode his trick like this.
OBVIOUSLY, it's not real magic. There's no such thing and Oz isn't claiming to be a wizard. I felt this was very rude and unprofessional way to treat a seasoned performer. I'm a magician too, and that's how I expect eight-year-olds to act, not adults, and definitely not on television.
Avi Hoffman Same! Not even amazing magicians go to others shows and yell things like "CARD FORCE!!!" or whatever during the show... this is just rude and unprofessional!
The Best Completely LOL or like during a levitation - "HE'S USING STRINGS!!"
Avi Hoffman Yeah! Like dude chill he puts a lot of work into it, just appreciate it!
Avi Hoffman I see what you did there “Oz isn’t claiming to be a Wizard”
No performer is immune from scrutiny, snowflake.
She probably walks up to little kids reading Harry Potter and tells them Snape kills Dumbledore.
Arrgh!!!! I hadn't gotten that far!!!!! [slow reader]
Dumbledore asked him too! Too protect a young innocent draco
Wtf Dumbledore is dead?!!
HE DOES?!?!? :((((
What the fawk 😢
At least he didn't claim supernatural powers
EM P because some profit off the actual belief of supernatural powers
Wow some hard hitting journalism... Who would have thought magic isn't real...
Christopher Taylor The advent of puff pieces for entertainment value has always been a thing. This is “inside edition”...you weren’t expecting serious news, were you?
I got a good laugh out of this 😂
sadly, quite a lot of people really
Its not easy being a mentalist. Takes years of experience playing around and reading people. Respect that.
I really want to know his secret, but at the same time I really don’t. The mystery behind it is what makes it so good!
Watch the video again with Mel-b. In his “future video”, all he says was 2 more balls. So... all he had to do was write, like they suggested, just 2 more than Mel b
But how did he know she would choose
@@jayyy2159 He didn't. He just added 2 to whatever number she chose.
I don't get her - Did she really think this guy can actually read minds? Of course it's all an illusion and he is only doing his job to entertain people!
welcome to america
"If I told you, I would be out of a job"
*CHALLENGE ACCEPTED*
😂yet he’s STILL being a full time mentalist. check out his insta. You lose
@@Tecom38415 I lose what? Respect for you? Im confused 😐
@@FrankDaBank25 the fact that the only challenge you accepted is that you’re mentally challenged 😂🫵🏻
They didn’t talk to the best mentalist of all time…Derren Brown
Yeah, the only thing he is bad at is spelling his first name the right way
I'm pretty sure Derren Brown's one of the few "actual" mentalists, aka he actually influences people and/or picks up on cues to pull off most of his tricks
This man really said “ride Space Mountain”
Woooooo!
As a Magician this kinda grinds my gears it literally ruins it if you reveal it and reveal it live come one dude ruin his whole trick
I love how penn and teller wouldnt rat out oz. Is there a magicians code of conduct Lol
Yes
Penn and teller would never reveal someone else's secrets because for on thing, they don't want to be shamed in the industry amongst other professionals using or selling that same method they're divulging.
“I’m just really cynical!”
Be still my heart
**CLICKBAIT**
@Tom Dunn hi there and i also didn't believe that he could predict anyone's answers because that's in possible to do but if a real psychic was on America's got talent then that person would probably predict someone's future and the judges future so i guess that he is a fake psychic if he is one
Tom Dunn Aren’t all videos, by technicality, “clickbait”? How else would you attract viewers? Isn’t the object to attract viewers?
@@sign543 Was Gangnam Style a click-bait? Idiot.
@@Ishamv3 thats a song and yesh its clickbait cause its a korean singing in both english and korean
This doesn't explain how people guess people's phone passwords first try every time
I actually admire the _hell_ out of Penn & Teller NOT revealing the guy's method (if indeed they knew what it was).
it IS an act, it IS a skill. big time. if anyone could do it, they would. and they do. they try.
you don't bust on your own . . . unless they start to get big for the boots and claim supernatural powers or voice of "god" or something. then you're dealing with deception, emotional manipulation, spiritual lies . . . bad, bad stuff.
That's pretty rude, going around and ruining a persons own trick.
IKR!
🤷♀️
@@SjofnBM1989 lol and oz isnt a mentalist he is a mental magician a mentalist uses more psychology then tricks
So she didn't tell us how it was done. I thought this was supposed to be an investigative reporting show.
her hair is absolutely amazing
The real trick is getting me to click on this video without actually telling me anything significant.
Where's this magic shop or theatre situated?
This isn’t clickbait by definition, but I still feel clickbaited.
If I'm not mistaken, Pearlman is from penguin magic
Now I’m gonna go see penn and teller!
That magician was so Polite with her, I kinda feel bad for this video existing and me watching it
Come on, I am the only one who genuinely loved this story? And the interviewer? She put in a lot of work, she was not trying to insult or humiliate anyone and she was genuinely enthusiastic about the whole thing. Just lovely
Back when the "Masked Magician" was showing us a lot of big stage stunts - most of which were pretty guess-able if you thought about them - I kept wishing he'd show things like this! B-(
FYI the masked magician didn’t expose as many secrets as you’d think. He showed some possibilities on how some effects could be done, but nothing performed by major acts. I guarantee if you went to see David Copperfield, none of what he showed would help.
@@Rhewin I still find stunts like "Vanishing the Statue of Liberty" and "Walking Through the Great Wall of China" pretty obvious. The bigger, the easier to figure out, very often.
Even though they showed the secret, I still found it impressive
He didn't use his thumb, you can see him slide something back into his suit right after he writes it.
Derren Brown.
*mike drop
Da Ying richard turner as well
sandesh sahare What does Richard Turner have to do with this? He's doing an entirely different thing than mentalists.
i know this is a clickbait but i enjoyed it
Thanks to the reporter and the production team. Great work, really enjoyed it !
First off, clickbait: don't use p&t as headline when they're not. Second, don't mess with the mentalist's source of income -_- find a better angle to make your clickbait worth it. Or just stick a cat on your show. -_-
How one makes the hidden drawing doublication trick? Like Uri Geller did. With a pre drawn picture he definitely couldn't see? Any video related to that on yt? Haven't found an exact reproduction.
she doesnt say her ideal vacation but is trying to press the other mentalist to reveal his on media
She absolutely got Pearlman’s “trick” but he just wouldn’t admit that she busted him 💯%
well its partially true but remember he also had a video displaying that mel was off by 2.
@@BeyondTheMind007 when he saw her number you can see him writing on a piece of paper he wrote a number that was two different than her number so the video would work no matter what
He probably had 100 videos prepared… they just play the correct one…
@@ddd1hhh No lol it was just one video. Mel had already written 325 and when the envelope was held facing the audience he pressed out the shape of the numbers 327 with his finger. The video always said mel 2 off. It's such a simple concept but it was executed flawlessly. Still a great trick!
@@apollyon1987 how’d he know Mel would get the closest tho👀
2:24 a quite natural way of watching TV
Someone put those answers on ceiling after audience said their answers?
I know how you pull off a mentalist: the same way you pull off any other bloke.
that what i am talking about ,if he is so good why he doesnt go to penn and teller show fool us ..........
garanteed teller could bust his balls easy
that is what i am talking about
because he's already got a Vegas show in which he's making millions a year
No doubt, I was just pointing out the fact that there's no point in doing "Fool Us", because all you win is a chance to perform in Vegas....which he already does.
it is but when man become super magician ,he tends to fool everybody even without benefit like David blaine when he tried to fool George w.Bush
If anyone wants to know how the magician does the trick that shows you a lot of words and he says what did you picked
The just keep a pause on the word they want and your mind locks on it
Want to explain this again to us in English?
Pre-recorded?
People getting really offended by this video
There should be a report button for click bait.
2:55 so how did he do that?
nobody:
red john: hold my knife...
Penn is looking pretty good these days
This would be a great report if they didnt include the part where she reveals how a magic trick is done as if she's like reporting on fraud or something. How unintelligent. And way to ruin the fun.
What about for the people who find the fun in knowing how the trick is done?
@@VictorSilvestri Revealing the trick is the magician's choice to make.
3:39 Diddleman was willing to train me lol
So how'd she do it?
if you hear the clip you would know it
That's an easy one. I don't want to spoil it here as maybe people want to keep the illusion. But I will give you a hint: there is a classic American comedy troupe whose name tells you exactly how it's done.
I don't think they're stooges. I've seen the trick she did without stooges.
There's the guy who climbs on the chair to take down the envelope. He switches that envelope with one in which he has a paper in which he wrote the answers as he heard them from the audience. Note that the video does not linger on him taking down the envelope but cuts to where she is taking out the piece of paper.
Sunday pro Omfg 😂😂😂😂😂
Could somebody explain how the truck she's doing at the end works?
Misleading title for the video.
How do you explain Lior Suchard writing the answers down before the people even pick something?
That's your perception of what he does.
What sorcery did Penn use to make himself look so much slimmer in this video than he usually does?
the way she tells the camera guy to get rid of the chair when he's done is prime elitism right there.
"why on earth would you turn your back and cover you eyes" Did I fool you?
I'm guessing that the number of gumballs in the jar was something closer to 600.
These aren’t the ones that really blow my mind tho. Max major does some really mind blowing stuff.
Go Oz Pearlman!
Like who still didn't get how the hell do they do so
Dude can't even spell sportsmanship.
😂😂
Read my mind "without" me TELLING you, or SAYING one, word. At all. Read my mind, "WITHOUT" you SAYING one word, Or, ASKING me any questions. At all. Don't touch my hands, face, head, shoulders, NADA. At all. Just, stare at me. We can even turn our backs away from each other. Read, my, mind. That's it. That's all
.
How did she do the Disney World trick?????? Someone please tell!
he should have used a variation of the toxic force.........large number divided by 4 (judges) = mels number or all their guess combined then divided by 4 = mels number
The it wouldn’t be a totally free guess. It’s always stronger to give people a free choice.
That’s literally so easy to figure out tho 😂
So how was the vacation trick done then?
2:36 He puts a small marker which was holding in his right hand to his pocket, and if you look at his hand while holding the envelop you will notice he is holding the pen between index and thumbs! Nice try!
how was the last trick done
Charlie duz magic You're the magic guy.. you tell us! 😅
I think he meant another Space mountain but hey it is what it is :)
How the trick happened at 4:10 can anyone explain??
how the hell did he do the bengals team trick, anyone know?
They're gonna do it.
that's the hotel I stayed in its so beautyful
How did she guess and do her trick?
Sportmanship is not Sportsmanship
So nick knows?
can someone tell me the host name
*_Why was the prerecorded message with 2 gumballs part ignored in the "I know how he did that" explanation tho_*
If he makes a video that says mel b was off by two, all he has to do is wait to see her prediction and then write a number either two numbers higher or lower than what she guessed. The prerecorded video doesnt matter as long as what he writes corresponds to it.
Right but it didn’t show him holding up the card?
These tv people could have saved some money if they only checked yamato youtube channel
thats right im a big fan of yamato he exposed pretty much all of OZ tricks
I wonder what the point of this video at all
Bamba Zillah
VERY NICE CLICK BAIT....
Glad I scanned the clip first along the timeline before wasting time and realizing that way that P&T were hardly even it in.