Custom 180 degree header config WITH x-pipe (on a Ford 5.0 in a Bmw e36)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 เม.ย. 2018
- Experimenting with creative exhaust fab for unique sound quality and performance. Ongoing project with no real destination , just for fun and curiosity. It's a 24 hours of Lemons race car.
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Sounds like a gt350 with straight pipes now!!! Sick!!!
Same exhaust pulse order as a flat plane V8 like in the GT350!
Love the 180 degree header sound! I'm definitely going to copy this for my e36 compact/5.0 swap.
Check this out : th-cam.com/video/PPjdUhsEzjQ/w-d-xo.html
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Holy shit!!!!!! Best sounding v8 ever!!😻😻😻!!
That is an absolutely ghostly sound!
Out of all your videos I like this sound the best. She's baf
That’s sick!
saw this car in person, and heard it, very cool!
Sonoma Lemons race?
@@NickKautz no. i dropped off or picked up a car at your shop when I drove a Hino flatbed tow truck
Sounds good
I'm sold. Just needs a resonator/muffler to get rid of the cackle and give it a proper bass growl.
Sounds fucking amazing
It’s crazy how this 2v sounds like a coyote at times
That's a Ford 302
Right? It sounds glorious
@@chickenlegman5460Technically a 2v, probably not the one that first comes to mind for me though (4.6)
did you have catalytic converters installed? Mandatory in Ontario unfortunately so i need to have them in my project amx with l33 and bundle of snakes style exhaust. dont know if i want to put them after the first set of collectors or after the 2nd set (im doing 8 into 4 into 2 instead of 8 into 2 pipes like you
It's strictly a race car , no cats. I only drive on that street for testing stuff. I think cats are supposed to be close to the motor to work best. You might not pass emissions tests if they are too far away. I do have 8-4-2 design that I did here: th-cam.com/video/pG2TvSl8dRY/w-d-xo.html
Sounds almost like a Koenigsegg (aka Amazing!!!)
Thanks! The car probably costs less than the floormats on a koenigsegg.
Makes sense. They use a 5ish litre DOHC V8 that probably has a flat plane crank
Koenigsegg's V8 is based on a ford 5.0 if I'm not mistaken
I need the build sheet on this 302
Sounds like a flat plane cozworth
Hi Nick, do you happen to have pictures of how the hell you fitted this in a E36?
You can email me at nkautz1@gmail.com
I started with shorty headers mounted in reverse , chopped off the collectors, extended the primaries forward and around the steering rack.
Here : th-cam.com/video/pG2TvSl8dRY/w-d-xo.html
I want my 5.0 to sound like this
Did you buy the headers or make them? I’ve got a 90’s f150 and it NEEDS to sound like this 😂
I made those. That was these headers: th-cam.com/video/pG2TvSl8dRY/w-d-xo.html plus 1 or 2 x-pipes, I don't remember
Please no lol
@@justinburwell7288 why not?
I want that sound so heads, cam and your headers
More than anything it's the headers. But they actually don't need to be anything too crazy, equal length primaries is key. Within 1" of each other. You gotta pick a length between 28" and 36" depending on what rpm you want the scavenging boost. I'll bet if someone were to just buy the BBK equal length shorties and simply make them actually equal length , it would sound pretty darn close to this.
Oh wow, so this is with the X pipe added.
Yep , and all the videos from the last race are with a merge to a single pipe, sounds similar to this.
What kind of heads, cams, and intake that thing has, i'm guessing 370whp?
Holley 750 carb , Super victor intake (way too big) , 91 oct , Trickflow stage 3 cam , 10:1 pistons , ebay procomp heads , On the dyno I had to shut it down at 5900rpm , I forget why, but it was 315 whp and climbing. So probably 330-340 @ 6500
Appreciate the quick response, my brother and I want to do a similar build. I'm guessing you used a T5 or something similar. How much the build cost you?
@@picklepee2771 Yep , T5 WC. Hard to say how much the build cost because we bought the car as a retired scca caged roller for $500 and we already had a bunch of parts that carried over from our wrecked e30 5.0. To remake this car could cost at little as $6k if you're a mechanic that knows their way around the internet. Easily double that # for the average person. Personally I would only ever use a stock 5.0 shortblock for drag racing. Or else keep your redline around 5500. We went through 6 or 7 motors , mostly catastrophic from rpm harmonics
We're gonna be patient, my brother and myself will fund together. We'll look for an E36 with a blown engine, tranny etc, and a wrecked 5.0 manual mustang.
It will be a street car though, but still with a bad ass motor, we plan on building the motor from top to bottom so it doesn't blow up lol. Then again we shouldn't see an issue since it will be street car, you raced the hell out of it.
Probably the cheapest and easist route is a wrecked 5.0 94-98 to beater / blown 94-98 V6.
@@picklepee2771 Yeah, you'll find that the guys with 5.0's that work well and stay together have an aftermarket block , forged crank , rods , pistons, and good valvetrain... Some guys use the older 302 block and crank because they are stronger and don't have a 50oz external balance.
Sounds like a 427 straight out of a gt40
That thing sounds WICKED!
How much was this engine setup?
Probably $2000 mostly in valvetrain , intake/carb but the stock bottom ends wouldn't stay together revving to 6k or above. Each time one blew it was $300-$500 for another one. To make these last and make power you have to rev high so you need a dart block and forged bottom end. Otherwise set the rev limited at 5500 and cross your fingers
Is this header setup for sale?
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Sounds closer to a C5 with long tube headers and a Corsa catback.
Gotta change my shorts now....
What year 5.0 motor? Coyote DOHC? or 5.0 pushrod motor?
1989
So a pushrod 5.0 should probably specify that. The coyote and the pushrod 5.0 are completely different animals and sound completely different from one another
@@larrytemen4789 From everything I've seen in automotive rhetoric, a 5.0 refers to fox body era and the newer stuff is called coyote.
Pushrod 5.0 or 4v
Pushrod
What year 5.0?
89-90
What kind of 5.0?
Ford 302 , foxbody era
Yea this doesn't sound like a modern 5.0 coyote platform
Pretty sure there was a time in the 70's when each of the big American brands had their own ~300ci engine, so there was probably more than one make of 5.0L
Yep , looks like '68 - '72 SCCA trans-am rules allowed no more than 305ci so Chevy had the DZ 302 , Ford 302 , AMC 304 , Plymouth 303 , etc , etc.... They were pretty much de-stroked 350's and were probably all referred to as 5.0L for simplicity
Sounds wicked dude!
On a lemons car? Also that wont get too many brownie points with the judges, not interesting enough
It's hit or miss, our car isn't totally out of place , there are many cars like it in lemons, they won't prevent you from racing unless you haven't complied with safety standards. Sometimes we get penalty laps and sometimes not, but so far it hasn't mattered because we haven't gone their trying to win and they can tell if you're there competitively or just to have fun. But we have been in several of their post race review videos and we got interviewed by Hoonigan because of the sound and speed of the car. Lots of people come up and ask what motor it is and how we got it to sound like that, so it's definitely not uninteresting it's just maybe a bit too "racey".
@@NickKautz yeah thats kinda what i meant, its just not like the Simpsons mobile, or the half-aston, or any of the other goofy heavily themed cars
@@yamomsballs Other series have popped up since Lemons , that are more accepting of racey cars but still budget friendly, like Lucky Dog , Chumpcar
@@NickKautz huh? thats pretty cool i only really knew of lemons
That “back fire” is caused by bad exhaust scavenging from that stupid X pipe that everyone keeps adding to their exhaust not knowing how the hell they work
Cut the X pipe out it obviously in the wrong place and hurting the exhaust flow
Backfire is caused from exhaust leaks near the headers, enough air gets in to ignite unburnt fuel passing through from overlap. X-pipe provides scavenging at the correct distance and improves sound quality (subjective) by making it smoother and higher pitched.
Nick Kautz unless you use design software and do multiple test you can not be sure the X pipe is in the correct distance from the engine to
Take advantage of the scavenging it “could prove”. And even when it’s in the correct place it only good for about 8-12 HP.
That’s a waste of time and money. You get way more exhaust scavenging from a test of real equal length long tub headers with real merge collectors. You can hear how bad this is exhaust and those spent exhaust gases getting trapped and getting hit by the new exhaust gases coming out of the engine
@@mikeeagle2653 Theory says the x-pipe should be twice as far from the heads as the collectors. That should have scaveging hit at overlap for a second time. The gain wouldn't be much power. On this particular setup the collectors were only 3/4 larger than the primaries. It was more of a sound experiment than power, we were already overpowered in our class.
Nick Kautz
Your theory obviously isn’t working because you should here any of that shit happening in the exhaust system. Period
All those pops and bangs are hurting the exhaust flow not helping it.
I own a fabrication shop and build lots of turbo and exhaust systems. Every dyno test done on these x and H pipes and the most it’s ever help
Is maybe 12-13 hp as a posed to real headers with real merge collectors picking up 20-30 hp
@@mikeeagle2653 We were over-powered already for 24 hours of lemons , so I was just playing with sound. Pops only happen on deceleration , no performance issues. It's because I had slip joints connecting the headers to the rest of the exhaust , and air gets sucked in under decel igniting the little bits fuel that pass through during cam overlap . Under accel it doesn't pop because it's combusting all the fuel.