GixxerFoo You my dear friend are the greatest. I had a old mechanic From the local Harley dealership. End of the assistant service manager young fellow help me out.. We took an 88 out of my 2004 heritage softdale classic. Change the crank to a stroker. Went with the big cylinders. Big pistons 10 and a 1/2 to 1 compression.. We worked ahead some add some bigger Springs and put 585 cams . new tensioners and cam plates high volume oil pump everything it was all . Tore down and rebuilt. Now I have 106.. And it's just about ready to pull my arms off when I take off. When we take it take it to Reno Nevada which we can't do here in California they're gonna dyno it It's supposedly they figure about a 115 to 130 horsepower . When people tell me it doesn't Is access to rebuild a 88 .Wrong.! I Really get a lot from your videos you my friend are the greatest continue doing what you're doing. I wish you were around here in Northern California. Thank you so very much for all your videos. God-bless you and your family always. Sincerely Eric.
Gave away my FXRT to a friend for free, who loves working on Harley’s because I knew he would have to put ten thousand into the bike to make it reliable even though it was running fine. The Screaming Eagle scam is the reason I ride a much better bike now from Europe, instead of sitting in the garage fixing stupid engineered parts from Harley.
Im not surprised at any of what you said about this engine series except that HD did put out a version that was the way it was suppose to be with the beefy bottom end and proper top! Im an older rider and "Harley guy" who started riding around '73 and the fact that Harley never put out a sled that was more than roughly half ( and I'm being generous!) of its potential was just understood to us then as we learned from the guys before us. A good many of those guys were guys who picked up surplus military bikes from both WORLD WARS and remember, generator bottoms had just turned to cones in '71 so lots of flatties and knucks and pans were all over the place and being squeezed for power by "real bikers" (with or without any affiliation!). Anyway i didnt come here to start a pissin contest, only to say thsnks for the video! This is the first time i heard of you and you seem to be a kindred spirit to the guys who were there for me as a teenager gettin me into the life. Of course your hair is ridiculously shorter than ours was back then but your heart is in the right place! Keep up the good work and the shiney side too while I go check out some of your other offerings! ✌
Thank you, I really appreciate it! I just saw a lot of people show up with a new to them Harley and didn't know exactly what they bought, had a failure and really got soured on the brand. Mostly tensioner issues on the first generation 88's. It's been awesome helping people out and working to get the word out so at least someone has an idea of what they are buying before hand.
"Head porter's are like machinists, they're a different breed." That's funny. I'm an automotive machinist by trade, I'm just now starting to get into motorcycle stuff, but from an automotive standpoint, mechanics know how to fix stuff (most of the time), machinists know how to make it run...
Some of the most talented guys I've ever known where machinist and fabricators. They all had one thing in common, if they liked you they would do anything for you. If they didn't, well... let's just say they would be pretty blunt about it lol.
Great Video. Great Knowledge man! Aside from that I am big fan of the 95. I upgraded my 88 to 95 (with extra goodies) and oil cooler and that darn thing is indestructible. I’ve put 40k plus on that motor and it’s held up really well.
95 is an excellent engines, there's a lot to be said about that short stroke. If you have an 88 my honest opinion is you can't beat a high compression 95 conversion with some good cams.
@@GixxerFoo I am huge believer. I have always been happy with the performance of the 95. The price wasn’t bad I think all said and done the conversion was under $1800 (2007) and granted I added an oil cooler but the longevity on the motor is where I am most impressed. Side note I’m looking at getting 2013/14 Road King CVO. It has the mentioned 110. Hopefully I can gain some insight after riding one.
🛑🛑 Great Video👍 My 110 CVO conversation to 117 Stage 4, is still putting a smile on my face; every time I grab a “hand full of throttle”😀👍💯. Hannnnnnnng ON!!😂👍
The depth and breadth of your knowledge, and then delivering it on the fly as some highly paid ABC anchor, well, it’s impressive and much appreciated. From so Cal - thanks, and Ride Forever!
My buddies father had one of the original Screamin Eagle Road Glides back in the day, he also had a 2005 Screamin Eagle CVO Vrod (I only remember the year because we graduated high school that year) and a 2006 103ci CVO Screamin Eagle Fatboy in Canyon Copper/Concord Purple. He then purchased a 2010 110ci CVO Screamin Eagle Street Glide. He still has the CVO SE Fatboy and the CVO SE Street Glide, both bikes are sitting for atleast 5-10 years, and both only have a couple thousand kilometers on them (when I say a couple thousand I mean like 4000-5000km on each, barely broken In). I was never a fan of the Vrod, but the CVO vrod he had was absolutely GORGEOUS with the Eagle paint scheme and multiple colors. The best part? The son, who now has the Fatboy and Street Glide sitting in the garage having not moved them an inch in years rides a clapped out 2010 Sportster 48 😆. There is also a guy that lives about 5 houses up the road that has a very clean CVO SE Dyna Fat Bob in that really nice yellow and gray marble paint. I know it is only a small portion of the bike, but the paint jobs on the CVO SE bikes really has to be seen to be appreciated, the tins are a work of art on all of them. I really wish they would bring the CVO line back to the softails so we could see some new CVO Fatbobs, Streetbobs, Sportglides and so on! If I have noticed one thing about the CVO SE models, it is that the larger motors/big bores become OEM equipment when SE moves to a larger powerplant on the newer models. Examples being the 88ci to 95ci, then 96ci to 103ci, 103ci to 110ci, or the 1250ci Vrod motor (I don't think any 110ci motors made it to non SE or S type bikes, but the rest did). There is so many variables to all these machines, and I appreciate the time and effort you put into researching for and passing on your knowledge, and accept new information from others! www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2006models/2006models-Harley-Davidson-FLSTFSE2ScreaminEagleFatBoy/ www.autoevolution.com/moto/harley-davidson-cvo-screamin-eagle-v-rod-2005.html#aeng_harley-davidson-cvo-screamin-eagle-v-rod-2005-1250 www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/harley-davidson/2010-harley-davidson-flhxse-cvo-street-glide-ar78270.html
I just got my new S&S cam plate and oil pump installed on my 88 by Harley-Davidson in Beaumont Texas. (They did a fantastic job) Beings I was at the mercy of Harley-Davidson they did a install on screaming eagle lifters and pushrods. Due to the fact that one of my lifters crumbled when they cut the pushrods out. (I was lucky with this one) Otherwise I would have been running the S&S lifters and pushrods. Don't get me wrong I'm very happy with the outcome, they go good with my 509 S&S gear cams and the S&S headers. It's a long story short, my belief is you can't go wrong with the S&S proven performance. Thoroughly enjoyed your video as always. PS; I'm saving my pennies for the 51 mm zipper. I tell my butt buddies after the zipper, "I'm done". For some reason they think that's funny. Thanks again for the upload.
It's a good thing you got those upgrades when you did! That lifer could of shelled the motor had it come apart! Awesome to hear you got some nice upgrades in the motor! Lol yeah it's never done, you do a little and get used to it and then it's time for more!
@@GixxerFoo I take a lot of pride in my machine. Last winter, I bumped up my drive sprocket off the transmission two teeth. And pulled the trailing arm for an upgrade with the spherical bearings. (Noticeable difference). My butt buddies ask me when is enough enough ? But you're correct, in my case you get used to the added horsepower and torque. And then I'm thinking what is it I can do to get a little more out of this machine and still keep the longevity of the motor. So I've concluded that once I install my rocker lockers, a new compensator, with the throttle body (ECM) from zipper. I've had this vision on this bike for 10 years. And I feel as though I'm so close to completion I can taste it. I come from a family of motorcycle enthusiasts my entire life and it is not uncommon in my family to make the bike "yours" If you know what I mean.
I would love to have seen the 120r as engine option in nearly every bike. Screw the CVO moniker. Most of us that want performance are not interested in chrome everywhere and fancy paint. Not to steal a current insurance company line but Only pay for what you need.
My 98 heritage has had the screamin eagle treatment.. I can see the heads and mikuni carb.. not sure what it has inside but it spins the tire going from second to third if I get on it even a little bit. Feels like it want to pull the front end up. Almost want to detune it a bit lol.
Doing an SE 131 kit next week on my 2021 Ultra Limited. Adding a Max-cell cam kit, Fullsac header, Khrome Werks slipons and too much more to list. Started out as a 114, I did an SE 122 kit and not satisfied. I had watched this video when it came out. So HD just releases SE head bolts. The SE 131 kit comes with new head bolts. Because of this video I called HD HQ and cross referenced the head bolt #'s included in the SE 131 kit and the stock head bolts on the 114 engine. They are the SAME #'s! Selling a $3500. kit with stock spec head bolts to go with your CNC heads. S&S head bolt kit and ARP cylinder stud kit on the way!!! Both reusable. Btw for those wondering I got a great deal on the SE 131 kit and was going to stay warranty compliant. And besides the cam, lifters and tune any HD dealer can service it. Thanks for your videos I have learned a lot about my first Harley.
It's a shame there really isn't any difference in those high performance parts from Harley, that cam and exhaust is really going to make that bike run! Spending all that money and corking it off with a SE exhaust doesn't make sense unless you're in California where they hammer on emissions.
Love your videos. T-Man has a video that goes over how much work is needed to get the factory Screamin Eagle heads to flow good numbers. Keep up the great content.
Thank you for that analysis. I have not torn apart any of them to see the real difference. I honestly never believed in the CVO as being the supreme factory Harley.. Hell I had built 80" Evo's that would walk away from them.. But thanks... I do agree with the 120R but they had their issues as well..
Gimme an S&S crate motor any day of the week and twice on Sunday! Although I did put a set of HD/SE heads on my '97 Evo after a .020 bore and new pistons. The did bump the CR up according to the data.
I have 79' big twin (e-glide classic in a prior life...) with a S&S 93 inch shovel installed in 02'. Has 20k on the motor, just had a top end done. Wrench said the cylanders, piston rings, pistons look like brand new. Replaced a 15y. old Crane elect. ign. So yeah I would say I wouldn't trade it even for a S.E., it's fun to come up on Evos and have no problem staying with them. (5spd. Jimms tranny :) )
@@flhdrvr Strokers RULE!!! I have an S&S 93" HC kit in a set of STD cases with a set of their ported big-valve Panheads and an Andrews C cam. Pulls like Motherfather!!!
I've got an 02 wg3 wide glide upgraded with fueling cam chest oil pump straight gear drive tappits push rods bored to 95 in 10 to 1 Pistons cleaned up the heads put in compression releases it's a rocket ship I love it
I believe the SE part became OEM in 2010, with the the M8 SE engines they are same the way as the twin cam. It's all factory bottom ends with nothing special under that top end.
Your on the money with this video ! The 120 r motor runs good but I have a couple guys running ported big valve motors with a S & S HP 103 cam came from crane cams originally with stock throttle body & injectors that can easily out run 120 r motors with their 103 motors ! HD is too scared out the EPA to ever build anything fast as the aftermarket can !
I would be very interested to know, the 131 SE crate motor. Is that fully loaded or will additional money need to be spent to make that what it should be? Ty
I haven't heard great news on the crate engines, they've had better luck having a Harley tech at the dealer build one with the kit. The crate engine so far is basically the M8 lower end with the SE top end factory installed.
Harley Davidson has had a upgrading and growing technology spurt in 2017 & again in the nowadays of 2021 finally. The days when these motorcycles were out HD relied on legacy branding while other manufacturers already had 4 valves per cylinder and fully liquid cooled & fully counter balanced engines.
Indian's Thunder Stroke engine really seemed to force their hand on that one. Surprisingly Harley isn't offering a billet cam plate or high volume oil pump for that new M8 with the 131 kit.
Hey gixxerfoo great video and thanks for all the info I just picked up a 16 breakout with a 120r in it that has about 6500 miles on the motor I don't know much about them any advice on preventative mantience or parts to change to better my chances of keeping it healthy thanks for your time I appreciate your content
They didn't have the Timken tapered bottom end, that went out after 2002. These motors had the Screamin Eagle roller bearings which are larger than stock.
Other than reciting SE Catalog descriptions, what are the main differences? I mean I see people on HD Forums toss around cam names (203, 204, 585, 640, etc) but have no idea what they mean and what they do.
Each cam has higher lift and duration as the numbers increase on the cam number. Most of the SE cams are more of torque cams rather than high horsepower. The higher the number basically more aggressive the cam in most cases.
I have a 2015 Street glide with a 103. I want to change the cam and oil pump to . I also want important polish the head. I'm just looking for more top-end power does this sound feasible
Just a cam swap to a top end cam would do a lot for your bike, head porting wouldn't gain you a whole lot unless you're looking at upping the compression.
Question on the m8 114 the Screaming eagle torque Cam ? Is it worth putting in my bike? I am looking more for the sound. For my bike to have a real Cam sound to it.
The SE cams aren't quite as aggressive as the aftermarket cams, if you're under warranty I would wait to put a aftermarket cam. Aftermarket cams are going to have a much better sound and power output.
I have a 07 SG which originally came with a 96” boring engine. I had it bumped up to a Screaming Eagle 110” with 259 cams bored and stroked pushing 103hp and 112tq. My advice is if you are going to bump up your engine, go with a Zipper kit or a S&S kit. Screaming Eagle kits are not all they are cracked up to be. Don’t get me wrong the bike will move in a hurry but foe the money, go with one of the other kits.
I've got the 88 in my 03 heritage Softail. Can someone explain how it gets 91 hp and 89 lbft. Bought the bike from my dad and I'm trying to figure out what a stage 2 screaming eagle package was.
I could not agree more my 04 CVO seems fairly strong for what it is although I had a guy on a stock 88 road glide walk away on my and couldn’t believe it was stock but after talking to several wrenches and specifically one that worked on that bike said it was stock and that the owner from the moment he bought it brand new with only 6 pdi miles on it said the the first time and almost every time the owner rode the bike he pinned the throttle every time he took off he left in a Smokey burn out in the mechanics opinion he broke it in right for him that is I would never bounce off the rev limiter on a brand new engine but he did crazy but true story.
I have the 2013 CVO 110 and yes I thought I had all the goodies sucks balls now I’m replacing the motor with a S&s do to bad lifters with a whooping 30 k on it stock … Good info thanks 👍
thanks for this info ,, i am from the uk and have never heard of the 120 motor . there are a lot of options out there and this vid proves that a motor is only as good as its weakest part , ,, i will be taking mine to an independent builder who has years of knowledge,,, i hope the people out there with se 110 s realise they dont have the better oil pump etc,, and take heed of what you say ;;;
Stock 103, 2015 Rushmore streetglide was neck and neck with my stock cvo 110, 2010 streetglide until about 80 or 90 mph and then the 103 started walking away. Not some horrendous spanking but definitely the 103 Rushmore bike that came with the same 255 cam ran a touch better than the screaming eagle 110
The 103 Rushmore bikes with the 103HO designation actually have a .511 lift cam, the 255 CVO cam is a .556 which focuses more on low to mid range torque. I could see the 103HO running out harder on the SE 110.
You'll get far more "bang for your buck" with aftermarket performance parts. I was going with a SE stage 3 when my dealer talked me into a Wood Knight Prowler 22x cam. I couldn't be happier.
I haven't seen that one yet for the M8, I am trying to dig some info on that 131R that's been developed in the King of Baggers series. It's supposed to be in neighborhood of 160 horse and 160 torque.
True. I voided the warranty shortly and I got the bike home and started adding S&S parts. I bought my HD SGS as much for riding as a project. I wanted to build a comfortable performance cruiser. I think I achieved that goal. But I want to do more to the top end and drive line. I enjoy wrenching on my bike.
I have a bog standard fxsti and a lot of what you have as content is interesting to me. Still not got my headlights changed to LED, will do soon. Keep up the good work enjoying the videos.
Depends how much you want to spend but a great place to start is a bolt in cam th-cam.com/video/ixeV1wRzsoY/w-d-xo.html. From there you can move up to a 110 kit, but I would suggest high compression to get the most of it.
I know a guy that has a CVO with screaming eagle heads, how can I tell the displacement of that motor he does not know what it is he has a lot of parts for sale but this is a complete engine with lower miles, how can I tell them this placement of this motor in can it be put into a 2010 ultra classic potentially
I'm extremely happy with my O5 big bore build to a 103 ported heads timken bearings balanced flywheel 543 reaper geared cams 4gear drive set high flow s.e.oil pump tappet set keith black forged pistons valve spring set 51mm throttle body fuel injectors S&S push rods all the goodies too go with. 102hp 104 tq.
Damn those are some solid numbers! I like the 103 displacement for a build, it's not too extreme and it does produce some big power with the higher compression!
I’ve got a 2013 road glide cvo 110 anniversary would like a better cam. Seen good reviews on the s&s 475 thinking about that one along with upgrade oil pump. Any comments would be much appreciated. Thanks
Harley Davidson - it doesn't matter how much you pay for their motorcycles they always have something more you can spend money on that they should have built in at the factory . this is why i only buy used , and only upgrade with aftermarket (and not too much of that) . heck it's been about 4 years since i was even in an HD dealership .
I'm not a huge fan of their marketing strategy, they work very well if you leave them stock or stage 1 but they leave the option on the table to upgrade.
I don't know how I missed this video.Oh wait I was putting in New flooring for the wife's Birthday.How ever.What would a good recommendation be to upgrade the top end of my 05 Deuse.I did the upgrade of the cam plate and added a high flow oil pump and hydraulic cam tensioners.But I would like to go further in the performance.What would be a solid upgrade on the mainly stock motor.Cams and heads and valves and mainly the complete upgraded too end set.And I'm thinking about replacing the 5 speed to a Baker 6 speed.Any great advice would hep me in the near future.Thaks for posting this video.Also would I need to do anything to the ECM if I do the complete upgraded top end.
@@GixxerFoo Thank you I'll be sure to add that to my lists.I wanted to make sure I had everything once I get started.I hate do be almost done just to find I didn't have that one part that puts the breaks on any of my projects.Have a great weekend.
Myers Duren, wife took her endorsement class through them, great people and a nice shop! I would suspect that's due to the effects of the shut downs from last year. Harley probably isn't communicating with the dealers on if they have those motors built or they are building them on a per order basis.
I get that Screamin Eagle is more centered around emissions compliance, but they seriously could but some of the goods as far as bearings and lifters in the motors.
Hey GixxerFoo, I had asked you about the SE heads some time back and you explained it very well now this wow thanks!!!! Do you think maybe HD tamed the 110 CVO because of government emission regulations? I’m not defending HD at all…..Guess it doesn’t matter now that the twin cam is in the past lol
They did it to leave room for the SE catalog and upgrades is what I think. You can get a full emissions legal 117 kit for a 110 CVO with the Screamin Eagle ported heads.
I had a guy in another district from HD tell me that SE have got a cam plate and pump out for the M8's, the price was basically the same for an S&S kit, well, I'm guessing it's S&S then.
Nice vid. Thank you for making it clearer. I would have expected the same upgrades. It really makes no sense why harley doent offer it as a option at least?
@@GixxerFoo My '97 FLHPi was no different than any other 80in EVO. There a POLICE MODEL parts catalog supplement for every year that tells ya what parts are different.
Are you talking about a bolt on cylinder kit? The cases are the same except the 110 has little larger case bore with factory 110 cylinders. This allows a thinner cylinder spigot on the drop on 117 kit to fit. You can drop a 110 kit on 96 but through Screamin Eagle they won't warranty it.
@@GixxerFoo yes as its don 40,000Ks think 26,000 miles i have 4 HD's so have to spread the LOVE lol .. i was going to post some pick and cant work out out and couldnt email you .. maybe about other things to like dyno sheets ect .. but i love your content keep it up from AU
120R is an awesome motor, there's some of those motors in baggers going cross country with zero issues. I am pretty impressed by that myself, they are very reliable if you maintain them.
@@GixxerFoo You just convinced me on a 120r. It will be my next year project. Probably just change out the cams when I get it. Do you think wood 222 or 555 cam would be better in a 120r??
@@coolgeek08 If you are going to upgrade from stock, go with S&S Cycle. It may cost a bit more up front but will end up breaking every weak link between the engine sprocket and rear tire due to HP & TQ.
It wasn’t the heads that held the engine back it was the lack of compression . Weather you chose to up the Comp by decking the heads which is the easiest or changing pistons or a combo of both . Those heads had great large stainless valves even with the smaller intake port diameter and 43mm throttle body these se 103s can be made to put out over 115 horse and over 125 lbs of torque very cheaply and easily using stock injectors stock throttle body’s
Early EVO´s forever. Had an friend whos back in the 2002 bay an new superglide sport,winter 2002-03 he sendt it to the dealer who he baught it from and got them to rebuld the engine with the 103 and back then it coasts something 5000 dollars here in Norway. He got so fuled by the dealer by what the new engine is up to,they change chrank,cylinders,heads,cams and timing on it and told him it had high power at some 90-98 hp,later in 03 when we where at an MC meeting where they had an dyno he got fooled after three pulls compared with ecaothers there was olny 80 or 83 hp......So he had an long phone call with the dealer when he got home
@@GixxerFoo Forgot to tell that same weekend we all was on that dyno me and some other friend had early EVOs hes an 85 FXRs and mine 89 FXLR he had 70 hp with screamin eagle cam,mikuni carb,load exhaust and oem timing. mine was 72 hp with modified (lighter) chrank ev3 cam polish heads,hi4 timing,supertrapp exhaust,and modified CV carb. Some other friend with an chopper with S&S stroker 1760 ccm with un known cam dyna timing,S&S carb,and load pipes pulls 80hp.... someone wasent happy at all...
Hey I always suspected that Harley did that with those high-priced bikes, I think for them it’s all about the looks and they’re lounging all the way to the bank.
I can only imagine their profit margin on those cost savings, I saw a dealer price sheet on a CVO from several years ago. Dealer makes about 12K on a CVO if they sell it at full MSRP.
I seriously considered it but I just can’t get past the looks of them. I could ride one and even enjoy it but I’d have to walk up to it backwards to get on it.
@@GixxerFoo it's pretty much stock at the moment. It's in the shop right now getting the screaming eagle cam chain tensioner upgrade kit installed with the new cam plate and high volume oil pump. I've deleted the rear turn signals and did an ebay taillight with integrated signals. And pulled baffles out of the screaming eagle 2 slip ons. Other than a driver mod engine is bone stock. Bike is an 02 dyna low rider. I specifically sought out that bike from watching you and kruesi originals lol.
You couldn't build one cheaper with the same parts as you can buy a CVO, they are beautiful bikes and they do have a little extra punch over the stock production bikes.
Screaming Eagal should be called Jive Turkey's. Great information. New Sub here. Thank you I have The 2002 Heritage Softail it has the Screaming Eagal. So what does it mean?
WOW I had no idea all that extra money just for the name what a joke! So glad I just went with the regular 2019 107 M8 yes i still paid to much but I do love my ride....
Harley seems to think that one horsepower per cubic inch it's fantastic yet most of the British manufacturers were beating that with a 40 cubic inch bike with 40 horsepower with a single carburetor back in the 1950s
Thanks for the info, damn it why does Harley hope people don't see this stuff and wonder why they're sales are in trouble, and Indian sales increased because they put the best parts in and don't try to deceive customers! Harley bean counters and marketing better get their shit together!
Have you went through your Screamin Eagle engine and upgraded the stock factory parts?
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You my dear friend are the greatest. I had a old mechanic From the local Harley dealership. End of the assistant service manager young fellow help me out.. We took an 88 out of my 2004 heritage softdale classic. Change the crank to a stroker. Went with the big cylinders. Big pistons 10 and a 1/2 to 1 compression.. We worked ahead some add some bigger Springs and put 585 cams . new tensioners and cam plates high volume oil pump everything it was all . Tore down and rebuilt. Now I have 106.. And it's just about ready to pull my arms off when I take off. When we take it take it to Reno Nevada which we can't do here in California they're gonna dyno it It's supposedly they figure about a 115 to 130 horsepower . When people tell me it doesn't Is access to rebuild a 88 .Wrong.! I Really get a lot from your videos you my friend are the greatest continue doing what you're doing. I wish you were around here in Northern California. Thank you so very much for all your videos. God-bless you and your family always. Sincerely Eric.
Gave away my FXRT to a friend for free, who loves working on Harley’s because I knew he would have to put ten thousand into the bike to make it reliable even though it was running fine. The Screaming Eagle scam is the reason I ride a much better bike now from Europe, instead of sitting in the garage fixing stupid engineered parts from Harley.
Im not surprised at any of what you said about this engine series except that HD did put out a version that was the way it was suppose to be with the beefy bottom end and proper top!
Im an older rider and "Harley guy" who started riding around '73 and the fact that Harley never put out a sled that was more than roughly half ( and I'm being generous!) of its potential was just understood to us then as we learned from the guys before us.
A good many of those guys were guys who picked up surplus military bikes from both WORLD WARS and remember, generator bottoms had just turned to cones in '71 so lots of flatties and knucks and pans were all over the place and being squeezed for power by "real bikers" (with or without any affiliation!).
Anyway i didnt come here to start a pissin contest, only to say thsnks for the video! This is the first time i heard of you and you seem to be a kindred spirit to the guys who were there for me as a teenager gettin me into the life.
Of course your hair is ridiculously shorter than ours was back then but your heart is in the right place!
Keep up the good work and the shiney side too while I go check out some of your other offerings!
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Thank you, I really appreciate it! I just saw a lot of people show up with a new to them Harley and didn't know exactly what they bought, had a failure and really got soured on the brand. Mostly tensioner issues on the first generation 88's. It's been awesome helping people out and working to get the word out so at least someone has an idea of what they are buying before hand.
"Head porter's are like machinists, they're a different breed." That's funny. I'm an automotive machinist by trade, I'm just now starting to get into motorcycle stuff, but from an automotive standpoint, mechanics know how to fix stuff (most of the time), machinists know how to make it run...
Some of the most talented guys I've ever known where machinist and fabricators. They all had one thing in common, if they liked you they would do anything for you. If they didn't, well... let's just say they would be pretty blunt about it lol.
Great Video. Great Knowledge man! Aside from that I am big fan of the 95. I upgraded my 88 to 95 (with extra goodies) and oil cooler and that darn thing is indestructible. I’ve put 40k plus on that motor and it’s held up really well.
95 is an excellent engines, there's a lot to be said about that short stroke. If you have an 88 my honest opinion is you can't beat a high compression 95 conversion with some good cams.
@@GixxerFoo I am huge believer. I have always been happy with the performance of the 95. The price wasn’t bad I think all said and done the conversion was under $1800 (2007) and granted I added an oil cooler but the longevity on the motor is where I am most impressed.
Side note I’m looking at getting 2013/14 Road King CVO. It has the mentioned 110. Hopefully I can gain some insight after riding one.
🛑🛑 Great Video👍
My 110 CVO conversation to 117 Stage 4, is still putting a smile on my face; every time I grab a “hand full of throttle”😀👍💯.
Hannnnnnnng ON!!😂👍
117 twin cam will run hard! It's a shame that 117 TC never made it into a production bike.
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Agreed..Harley “pulled the plug too soon” on the Twin Cam, to move on to the Milwaukee 8💯
I have a 2005 Screaming Eagle 103, I love it. In not racing it, it's an Electra Glide built to cruise.
The depth and breadth of your knowledge, and then delivering it on the fly as some highly paid ABC anchor, well, it’s impressive and much appreciated. From so Cal - thanks, and Ride Forever!
Thank you, I really appreciate it! There's a lot out there that the companies won't tell you and the dealers don't want to admit.
My buddies father had one of the original Screamin Eagle Road Glides back in the day, he also had a 2005 Screamin Eagle CVO Vrod (I only remember the year because we graduated high school that year) and a 2006 103ci CVO Screamin Eagle Fatboy in Canyon Copper/Concord Purple. He then purchased a 2010 110ci CVO Screamin Eagle Street Glide. He still has the CVO SE Fatboy and the CVO SE Street Glide, both bikes are sitting for atleast 5-10 years, and both only have a couple thousand kilometers on them (when I say a couple thousand I mean like 4000-5000km on each, barely broken In). I was never a fan of the Vrod, but the CVO vrod he had was absolutely GORGEOUS with the Eagle paint scheme and multiple colors. The best part? The son, who now has the Fatboy and Street Glide sitting in the garage having not moved them an inch in years rides a clapped out 2010 Sportster 48 😆. There is also a guy that lives about 5 houses up the road that has a very clean CVO SE Dyna Fat Bob in that really nice yellow and gray marble paint. I know it is only a small portion of the bike, but the paint jobs on the CVO SE bikes really has to be seen to be appreciated, the tins are a work of art on all of them. I really wish they would bring the CVO line back to the softails so we could see some new CVO Fatbobs, Streetbobs, Sportglides and so on! If I have noticed one thing about the CVO SE models, it is that the larger motors/big bores become OEM equipment when SE moves to a larger powerplant on the newer models. Examples being the 88ci to 95ci, then 96ci to 103ci, 103ci to 110ci, or the 1250ci Vrod motor (I don't think any 110ci motors made it to non SE or S type bikes, but the rest did). There is so many variables to all these machines, and I appreciate the time and effort you put into researching for and passing on your knowledge, and accept new information from others!
www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2006models/2006models-Harley-Davidson-FLSTFSE2ScreaminEagleFatBoy/
www.autoevolution.com/moto/harley-davidson-cvo-screamin-eagle-v-rod-2005.html#aeng_harley-davidson-cvo-screamin-eagle-v-rod-2005-1250
www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/harley-davidson/2010-harley-davidson-flhxse-cvo-street-glide-ar78270.html
The CVO bikes you want to hang on to, they do hold their value! Not close to new but they still cost more even used these days!
I just got my new S&S cam plate and oil pump installed on my 88 by Harley-Davidson in Beaumont Texas. (They did a fantastic job)
Beings I was at the mercy of Harley-Davidson they did a install on screaming eagle lifters and pushrods. Due to the fact that one of my lifters crumbled when they cut the pushrods out. (I was lucky with this one) Otherwise I would have been running the S&S lifters and pushrods. Don't get me wrong I'm very happy with the outcome, they go good with my 509 S&S gear cams and the S&S headers. It's a long story short, my belief is you can't go wrong with the S&S proven performance.
Thoroughly enjoyed your video as always.
PS; I'm saving my pennies for the 51 mm zipper. I tell my butt buddies after the zipper, "I'm done". For some reason they think that's funny.
Thanks again for the upload.
It's a good thing you got those upgrades when you did! That lifer could of shelled the motor had it come apart! Awesome to hear you got some nice upgrades in the motor! Lol yeah it's never done, you do a little and get used to it and then it's time for more!
@@GixxerFoo I take a lot of pride in my machine. Last winter, I bumped up my drive sprocket off the transmission two teeth. And pulled the trailing arm for an upgrade with the spherical bearings. (Noticeable difference). My butt buddies ask me when is enough enough ?
But you're correct, in my case you get used to the added horsepower and torque. And then I'm thinking what is it I can do to get a little more out of this machine and still keep the longevity of the motor. So I've concluded that once I install my rocker lockers, a new compensator, with the throttle body (ECM) from zipper. I've had this vision on this bike for 10 years. And I feel as though I'm so close to completion I can taste it. I come from a family of motorcycle enthusiasts my entire life and it is not uncommon in my family to make the bike "yours"
If you know what I mean.
Thanks! Great information!
Glad it was helpful!
Just bought 2008 cvo Springer, thanks for the info!
Great information Mr. Foo
Thank you! I hope it was helpful!
Thanks for the information 👍
Very well done again sir! Bean counters always sell the sizzle and not the steak. The 110 is visual eye candy.
It's really sad they don't put the goods in the engines for the price they charge to own one of those SE motors.
I would love to have seen the 120r as engine option in nearly every bike. Screw the CVO moniker. Most of us that want performance are not interested in chrome everywhere and fancy paint. Not to steal a current insurance company line but Only pay for what you need.
My 98 heritage has had the screamin eagle treatment.. I can see the heads and mikuni carb.. not sure what it has inside but it spins the tire going from second to third if I get on it even a little bit. Feels like it want to pull the front end up. Almost want to detune it a bit lol.
Being a 98 there's not telling what kinda party is going on in that motor without tearing it down, sounds like it's a good one though!
Doing an SE 131 kit next week on my 2021 Ultra Limited. Adding a Max-cell cam kit, Fullsac header, Khrome Werks slipons and too much more to list. Started out as a 114, I did an SE 122 kit and not satisfied. I had watched this video when it came out. So HD just releases SE head bolts. The SE 131 kit comes with new head bolts. Because of this video I called HD HQ and cross referenced the head bolt #'s included in the SE 131 kit and the stock head bolts on the 114 engine. They are the SAME #'s! Selling a $3500. kit with stock spec head bolts to go with your CNC heads. S&S head bolt kit and ARP cylinder stud kit on the way!!! Both reusable. Btw for those wondering I got a great deal on the SE 131 kit and was going to stay warranty compliant. And besides the cam, lifters and tune any HD dealer can service it. Thanks for your videos I have learned a lot about my first Harley.
It's a shame there really isn't any difference in those high performance parts from Harley, that cam and exhaust is really going to make that bike run! Spending all that money and corking it off with a SE exhaust doesn't make sense unless you're in California where they hammer on emissions.
Yes thks for info.god bless u.🙏👍👍👍
Always welcome!
Love your videos. T-Man has a video that goes over how much work is needed to get the factory Screamin Eagle heads to flow good numbers. Keep up the great content.
It takes some work and a flow bench to get them right but it can be done!
Thanks Gixxer for sharing your knowledge so what you're saying is that some screaming eagles are only slightly screaming
All the best from NZ 🇳🇿
more like a cackle
Lol there's a reason why it's often called Screamin Chicken.
Thank you for that analysis. I have not torn apart any of them to see the real difference. I honestly never believed in the CVO as being the supreme factory Harley.. Hell I had built 80" Evo's that would walk away from them.. But thanks... I do agree with the 120R but they had their issues as well..
Yeah they should of put some more SE goods in those CVO bikes for sure!
Real nice information in this vid. Learned alot and I just bought one
Thank you, they are great motors I just wish they would of put some more in them.
Thanks for the low down 👍
No problem 👍
Gimme an S&S crate motor any day of the week and twice on Sunday! Although I did put a set of HD/SE heads on my '97 Evo after a .020 bore and new pistons. The did bump the CR up according to the data.
I am really thinking hard about doing that....the S@S T111 in my 2012 FatBob instead of putting Cams in my 103...
I have 79' big twin (e-glide classic in a prior life...) with a S&S 93 inch shovel installed in 02'. Has 20k on the motor, just had a top end done. Wrench said the cylanders, piston rings, pistons look like brand new. Replaced a 15y. old Crane elect. ign. So yeah I would say I wouldn't trade it even for a S.E., it's fun to come up on Evos and have no problem staying with them. (5spd. Jimms tranny :) )
@@flhdrvr Strokers RULE!!! I have an S&S 93" HC kit in a set of STD cases with a set of their ported big-valve Panheads and an Andrews C cam. Pulls like Motherfather!!!
That S&S Shovel isn't a cheap engine! I bet you really hurt some feelings with that motor, lol unitl they hear what it actually is.
Those are some bad ass motors!
Love your videos , Informative and Straight .
Thank you, I really appreciate your support on the channel!
I've got an 02 wg3 wide glide upgraded with fueling cam chest oil pump straight gear drive tappits push rods bored to 95 in 10 to 1 Pistons cleaned up the heads put in compression releases it's a rocket ship I love it
You've got the bottom end with the tapered bearings to! Those 95's are fast!
@@GixxerFoo yep I was pretty impressed with it thanks brother keep up the good info
You didn’t mention the compensator problems with 110s until 2013 when they added the SE Comos and Oil Pumps.
What about SE 114 and 117 models?
I believe the SE part became OEM in 2010, with the the M8 SE engines they are same the way as the twin cam. It's all factory bottom ends with nothing special under that top end.
Your on the money with this video ! The 120 r motor runs good but I have a couple guys running ported big valve motors with a S & S HP 103 cam came from crane cams originally with stock throttle body & injectors that can easily out run 120 r motors with their 103 motors ! HD is too scared out the EPA to ever build anything fast as the aftermarket can !
Right on! Yeah I hate to say it but displacement really isn't everything anymore these days.
You have the most informative videos on TH-cam
Thank you! I really appreciate it!
I would be very interested to know, the 131 SE crate motor. Is that fully loaded or will additional money need to be spent to make that what it should be? Ty
I haven't heard great news on the crate engines, they've had better luck having a Harley tech at the dealer build one with the kit. The crate engine so far is basically the M8 lower end with the SE top end factory installed.
@@GixxerFoo thank you, shame isn’t it..
The 07. 110 cvo dyna have all stock on the inside. Cam chain tensioners?
Harley Davidson has had a upgrading and growing technology spurt in 2017 & again in the nowadays of 2021 finally. The days when these motorcycles were out HD relied on legacy branding while other manufacturers already had 4 valves per cylinder and fully liquid cooled & fully counter balanced engines.
Indian's Thunder Stroke engine really seemed to force their hand on that one. Surprisingly Harley isn't offering a billet cam plate or high volume oil pump for that new M8 with the 131 kit.
A H-D model has 4 valves per cylinder back in 1917. Just saying.
There was also the Kompressor head option "milled down OEM 88 head for minor compression bump" in the catalog
Harley used to have a lot of awesome parts in the catalog, they have really scaled it back.
Hey gixxerfoo great video and thanks for all the info I just picked up a 16 breakout with a 120r in it that has about 6500 miles on the motor I don't know much about them any advice on preventative mantience or parts to change to better my chances of keeping it healthy thanks for your time I appreciate your content
Good info!
Thank you!
Hi. What about Timken bearings? Did TC SE 120 R have it?
They didn't have the Timken tapered bottom end, that went out after 2002. These motors had the Screamin Eagle roller bearings which are larger than stock.
Other than reciting SE Catalog descriptions, what are the main differences? I mean I see people on HD Forums toss around cam names (203, 204, 585, 640, etc) but have no idea what they mean and what they do.
Each cam has higher lift and duration as the numbers increase on the cam number. Most of the SE cams are more of torque cams rather than high horsepower. The higher the number basically more aggressive the cam in most cases.
Does this also apply to the 2016 Softail slim s 110 ?
Same deal on the S models, bigger bore and a CVO head with the bigger valves but everything down stairs is stock components and not SE.
@@GixxerFoo thank you so much for your info!!! How much do you think it would cost to upgrade the stock components?
Great content. I always look forward to your videos.
Thank you! I appreciate it!
@@GixxerFoo 15 RG 103 went with the andrews 48H cams and I’m doing Dyno jet target tune soon. I will let you know about wide bands
I have a 2015 Street glide with a 103. I want to change the cam and oil pump to . I also want important polish the head. I'm just looking for more top-end power does this sound feasible
Port and polish the head
Just a cam swap to a top end cam would do a lot for your bike, head porting wouldn't gain you a whole lot unless you're looking at upping the compression.
@@GixxerFoo I'm thinking about a 5:43 reaper cam what do you think
Question on the m8 114 the Screaming eagle torque Cam ? Is it worth putting in my bike? I am looking more for the sound. For my bike to have a real Cam sound to it.
The SE cams aren't quite as aggressive as the aftermarket cams, if you're under warranty I would wait to put a aftermarket cam. Aftermarket cams are going to have a much better sound and power output.
Another great video, don't know how you do it, time after time, but all seriousness aside, just imagine what SE could do if it wasn't for EPA!!
I have a 07 SG which originally came with a 96” boring engine. I had it bumped up to a Screaming Eagle 110” with 259 cams bored and stroked pushing 103hp and 112tq. My advice is if you are going to bump up your engine, go with a Zipper kit or a S&S kit. Screaming Eagle kits are not all they are cracked up to be. Don’t get me wrong the bike will move in a hurry but foe the money, go with one of the other kits.
It's all in the cam, the Screamin Eagle cams just don't make the power the aftermarket cams are able to.
I've got the 88 in my 03 heritage Softail. Can someone explain how it gets 91 hp and 89 lbft. Bought the bike from my dad and I'm trying to figure out what a stage 2 screaming eagle package was.
It could just have a really good cam in it at the very least, that will give you some serious gains.
Interesting info that I didn't know. Thanks.
Unfortunately they didn't stuff them with the good stuff although they should of.
What do you think about 07 vrod screamin eagle? I'm looking into it. Thanks for your help
They are really sweet bikes, and they were also a 1250 that year which later became stock but those bikes had all the CVO goods on them.
I could not agree more my 04 CVO seems fairly strong for what it is although I had a guy on a stock 88 road glide walk away on my and couldn’t believe it was stock but after talking to several wrenches and specifically one that worked on that bike said it was stock and that the owner from the moment he bought it brand new with only 6 pdi miles on it said the the first time and almost every time the owner rode the bike he pinned the throttle every time he took off he left in a Smokey burn out in the mechanics opinion he broke it in right for him that is I would never bounce off the rev limiter on a brand new engine but he did crazy but true story.
I've always believed after the first 50 to 100 miles break it in like you're going to ride it but damn... that's a bit much lol.
So basically they're Exactly like Harleys themselves. Pay extra for that name. Kinda like a 427 Crank for a BBC. Exact same crank as the 396.
They are a little hotter than stock but not what they should of been.
I have the 2013 CVO 110 and yes I thought I had all the goodies sucks balls now I’m replacing the motor with a S&s do to bad lifters with a whooping 30 k on it stock … Good info thanks 👍
thanks for this info ,, i am from the uk and have never heard of the 120 motor . there are a lot of options out there and this vid proves that a motor is only as good as its weakest part , ,, i will be taking mine to an independent builder who has years of knowledge,,, i hope the people out there with se 110 s realise they dont have the better oil pump etc,, and take heed of what you say ;;;
The motor is only as strong as the weakest link, it's unfortunate they didn't put the goods in the 110.
Good info thanks!
Stock 103, 2015 Rushmore streetglide was neck and neck with my stock cvo 110, 2010 streetglide until about 80 or 90 mph and then the 103 started walking away. Not some horrendous spanking but definitely the 103 Rushmore bike that came with the same 255 cam ran a touch better than the screaming eagle 110
The 103 Rushmore bikes with the 103HO designation actually have a .511 lift cam, the 255 CVO cam is a .556 which focuses more on low to mid range torque. I could see the 103HO running out harder on the SE 110.
You'll get far more "bang for your buck" with aftermarket performance parts. I was going with a SE stage 3 when my dealer talked me into a Wood Knight Prowler 22x cam. I couldn't be happier.
Great info, did not know this. Basically my 2005 95" is just a slightly better version of the 88"
The 95 had a bit hotter cam and of courser the displacement, those can really run with some more compression and a aftermarket cam.
Screamin Eaglet is more like it.
Or maybe Sleepin Eagle.
😄😄 right, they leave a lot to be desired in that 110 off factory line.
Have you seen the new Screamin' Eagle Pro high volume oil pump and cam support plate?
I haven't seen that one yet for the M8, I am trying to dig some info on that 131R that's been developed in the King of Baggers series. It's supposed to be in neighborhood of 160 horse and 160 torque.
@@GixxerFoo I saw one on the HD website. It's a new item.
Started down the SE upgrade path with my 2019 HD SGS. Quickly realized S&S was a better choice. No regrets. My bike runs great.
Agree. However, mine broke and the warranty took care of it. So there is that.
S&S is very hard to beat!
Its is hard to beat the warranty when they fix it for nothing!
True. I voided the warranty shortly and I got the bike home and started adding S&S parts. I bought my HD SGS as much for riding as a project. I wanted to build a comfortable performance cruiser. I think I achieved that goal. But I want to do more to the top end and drive line. I enjoy wrenching on my bike.
I have a bog standard fxsti and a lot of what you have as content is interesting to me.
Still not got my headlights changed to LED, will do soon.
Keep up the good work enjoying the videos.
Thank you! You won't regret the lighting upgrades, it makes a huge difference!
I ordered my new LED headlights last week for my sportster. My older eyes just need that extra candles out in front of me nowadays.
I have the headlight ordered, but I am in my 70s and need the extra light
Hey man I got a 103 breakout 2017 I was thinking of doing some upgrades what do you suggest
Depends how much you want to spend but a great place to start is a bolt in cam th-cam.com/video/ixeV1wRzsoY/w-d-xo.html. From there you can move up to a 110 kit, but I would suggest high compression to get the most of it.
I know a guy that has a CVO with screaming eagle heads, how can I tell the displacement of that motor he does not know what it is he has a lot of parts for sale but this is a complete engine with lower miles, how can I tell them this placement of this motor in can it be put into a 2010 ultra classic potentially
I'm extremely happy with my O5 big bore build to a 103
ported heads
timken bearings
balanced flywheel
543 reaper geared cams
4gear drive set
high flow s.e.oil pump
tappet set
keith black forged pistons
valve spring set
51mm throttle body
fuel injectors
S&S push rods
all the goodies too go with.
102hp 104 tq.
Damn those are some solid numbers! I like the 103 displacement for a build, it's not too extreme and it does produce some big power with the higher compression!
I’ve got a 2013 road glide cvo 110 anniversary would like a better cam.
Seen good reviews on the s&s 475 thinking about that one along with upgrade oil pump.
Any comments would be much appreciated.
Thanks
What about the 03 Screaming Eagle II 883?
The 883R with the little hotter cams?
Thanks for the info! (And also everyone that added comments!
I can read this stuff, all day!!
It's Interesting!!)
Harley Davidson - it doesn't matter how much you pay for their motorcycles they always have something more you can spend money on that they should have built in at the factory .
this is why i only buy used , and only upgrade with aftermarket (and not too much of that) . heck it's been about 4 years since i was even in an HD dealership .
I'm not a huge fan of their marketing strategy, they work very well if you leave them stock or stage 1 but they leave the option on the table to upgrade.
I don't know how I missed this video.Oh wait I was putting in New flooring for the wife's Birthday.How ever.What would a good recommendation be to upgrade the top end of my 05 Deuse.I did the upgrade of the cam plate and added a high flow oil pump and hydraulic cam tensioners.But I would like to go further in the performance.What would be a solid upgrade on the mainly stock motor.Cams and heads and valves and mainly the complete upgraded too end set.And I'm thinking about replacing the 5 speed to a Baker 6 speed.Any great advice would hep me in the near future.Thaks for posting this video.Also would I need to do anything to the ECM if I do the complete upgraded top end.
I hope you got that floor done! Definently gonna need to retune the ECM after those kinda upgrades.
@@GixxerFoo Thank you I'll be sure to add that to my lists.I wanted to make sure I had everything once I get started.I hate do be almost done just to find I didn't have that one part that puts the breaks on any of my projects.Have a great weekend.
I slapped down 5000 cash 6-4-21 @ Myers Duren HD in Tulsa. No one there can tell me when I can expect my 120ST. Why is that?
Myers Duren, wife took her endorsement class through them, great people and a nice shop! I would suspect that's due to the effects of the shut downs from last year. Harley probably isn't communicating with the dealers on if they have those motors built or they are building them on a per order basis.
And I bit they don’t even put bushings on those CAM plates. Great video, by the way .
Thank you, yeah it's all the stock components other than the cams in the cam chest.
Thank you
I agree for what they cost really shouldn't short change their customers like that in the early on
I get that Screamin Eagle is more centered around emissions compliance, but they seriously could but some of the goods as far as bearings and lifters in the motors.
Hey GixxerFoo, I had asked you about the SE heads some time back and you explained it very well now this wow thanks!!!! Do you think maybe HD tamed the 110 CVO because of government emission regulations? I’m not defending HD at all…..Guess it doesn’t matter now that the twin cam is in the past lol
They did it to leave room for the SE catalog and upgrades is what I think. You can get a full emissions legal 117 kit for a 110 CVO with the Screamin Eagle ported heads.
I had a guy in another district from HD tell me that SE have got a cam plate and pump out for the M8's, the price was basically the same for an S&S kit, well, I'm guessing it's S&S then.
Interesting, I wonder if they have it available it?
@@GixxerFoo apparently, he even sent me the Screaming Eagle brochure.
Nice vid. Thank you for making it clearer. I would have expected the same upgrades.
It really makes no sense why harley doent offer it as a option at least?
As expected, I learned a lot, thanks Gixxer.
Not a problem, I hope it was helpful!
Hey GF- great informative stuff! How bout a similar with some info on the 'police' motors?
Yes ! Whats in my 13 FLHTP ?
The police motors are always a bit ahead of the public, they had the 103 back when the 88 is the stock motor.
The police model in 2013 was still the 103, I believe it may of had the .511 cam that later came in the 103HO.
@@GixxerFoo My '97 FLHPi was no different than any other 80in EVO. There a POLICE MODEL parts catalog supplement for every year that tells ya what parts are different.
after market frame & 120r engine the way to go.
That 120R is one bad motor, the ST is the same engine just with a milder cam.
Totally agreed brother!
So if the 110's are basically the same as the 103's, how can the 110's be bored out to 117, while the 103 can only go up to 110?
Are you talking about a bolt on cylinder kit? The cases are the same except the 110 has little larger case bore with factory 110 cylinders. This allows a thinner cylinder spigot on the drop on 117 kit to fit. You can drop a 110 kit on 96 but through Screamin Eagle they won't warranty it.
I got a 99 road king 88 with 20,000 miles and tensioners are Knackerd,, I only found out by putting a 509 in
It's a good thing you caught that though, did you go back with a hydraulic system or some new spring tensioners?
@@GixxerFoo yes as its don 40,000Ks think 26,000 miles i have 4 HD's so have to spread the LOVE lol .. i was going to post some pick and cant work out out and couldnt email you .. maybe about other things to like dyno sheets ect .. but i love your content keep it up from AU
If you’re trying to go fast you don’t buy screaming eagle 😂 we don’t do that here bro.
Lol right?! It's great for keeping the warranty or just doing all your work through the dealer.
@@GixxerFoo i don’t think Harley warranty’s on the 120R. I went with 143 from S&S. No complaints! Beats everything else on the road.
You would think it would be crammed with the SE gear…👍🏻🇦🇺
It honestly should of been or at least had some more SE components.
Unfortunately there NOT called Screaming Eagle anymore just CVO custom vehicle operation
It sucks to hear Harley cheesed out on the upgrades but my 2017 Low Rider S does just fine with its 110 SE TC engine pushing it along.
They do run pretty good, they have that 255 cam in them which is a huge torque producer with the Dyna's lighter weight.
I’m really considering the 120r in my bike over the next year.
120R is an awesome motor, there's some of those motors in baggers going cross country with zero issues. I am pretty impressed by that myself, they are very reliable if you maintain them.
@@GixxerFoo You just convinced me on a 120r. It will be my next year project. Probably just change out the cams when I get it. Do you think wood 222 or 555 cam would be better in a 120r??
@@coolgeek08 If you are going to upgrade from stock, go with S&S Cycle. It may cost a bit more up front but will end up breaking every weak link between the engine sprocket and rear tire due to HP & TQ.
Excellent video
Good stuff brother
Thank you!
@@GixxerFoo welcome brother the upgrades I did to my 88 mostly was from information that I got from you so thank you
It wasn’t the heads that held the engine back it was the lack of compression . Weather you chose to up the Comp by decking the heads which is the easiest or changing pistons or a combo of both . Those heads had great large stainless valves even with the smaller intake port diameter and 43mm throttle body these se 103s can be made to put out over 115 horse and over 125 lbs of torque very cheaply and easily using stock injectors stock throttle body’s
Compression goes a long way in the twin cam motors, they really held it down from the factory.
No issue with my 110. Love it
Early EVO´s forever. Had an friend whos back in the 2002 bay an new superglide sport,winter 2002-03 he sendt it to the dealer who he baught it from and got them to rebuld the engine with the 103 and back then it coasts something 5000 dollars here in Norway. He got so fuled by the dealer by what the new engine is up to,they change chrank,cylinders,heads,cams and timing on it and told him it had high power at some 90-98 hp,later in 03 when we where at an MC meeting where they had an dyno he got fooled after three pulls compared with ecaothers there was olny 80 or 83 hp......So he had an long phone call with the dealer when he got home
I don't doubt it, the dyno doesn't lie and a lot of guys are really disappointed when they get some pulls done.
@@GixxerFoo Forgot to tell that same weekend we all was on that dyno me and some other friend had early EVOs hes an 85 FXRs and mine 89 FXLR he had 70 hp with screamin eagle cam,mikuni carb,load exhaust and oem timing. mine was 72 hp with modified (lighter) chrank ev3 cam polish heads,hi4 timing,supertrapp exhaust,and modified CV carb. Some other friend with an chopper with S&S stroker 1760 ccm with un known cam dyna timing,S&S carb,and load pipes pulls 80hp.... someone wasent happy at all...
Do you build motors...
Not on a regular basis, I'll do one every now and again for a personal winter project but not for a living or anything.
Hey I always suspected that Harley did that with those high-priced bikes, I think for them it’s all about the looks and they’re lounging all the way to the bank.
I can only imagine their profit margin on those cost savings, I saw a dealer price sheet on a CVO from several years ago. Dealer makes about 12K on a CVO if they sell it at full MSRP.
Bottom line, if your looking to get a bagger buy a goldwing! The Bangkok bagger will be good off the shelf
I seriously considered it but I just can’t get past the looks of them. I could ride one and even enjoy it but I’d have to walk up to it backwards to get on it.
Man the knowledge you have on harleys is crazy impressive. I'd love to have you build my tc 88.
I just seen too many people buy a TC and not know what all was going on in that model year! What all do you have done to your 88 so far?
@@GixxerFoo it's pretty much stock at the moment. It's in the shop right now getting the screaming eagle cam chain tensioner upgrade kit installed with the new cam plate and high volume oil pump. I've deleted the rear turn signals and did an ebay taillight with integrated signals. And pulled baffles out of the screaming eagle 2 slip ons. Other than a driver mod engine is bone stock. Bike is an 02 dyna low rider. I specifically sought out that bike from watching you and kruesi originals lol.
I like the CVOs because they are factory customs that you don’t need to anything to other than ride.
You couldn't build one cheaper with the same parts as you can buy a CVO, they are beautiful bikes and they do have a little extra punch over the stock production bikes.
Ehh usually cvo's r overpriced by a base model and u can build it better for same price or less .
The power to weight ratio on these old cruisers was anemic. No wonder the forign bikes got such a foothold.
Screaming Eagal should be called Jive Turkey's.
Great information.
New Sub here.
Thank you
I have The 2002 Heritage Softail it has the Screaming Eagal.
So what does it mean?
Thank you for the sub, the 2002 would have the 95 inch cylinders and pistons, with the SE 203 cam and the stock 88 heads.
@@GixxerFoo is it any good? I'm not a mechanic.
Thanks friend.
Thank. You
WOW I had no idea all that extra money just for the name what a joke! So glad I just went with the regular 2019 107 M8 yes i still paid to much but I do love my ride....
You get more than stock but the motor really isn't what it should be.
Thanks
Thanks for this. Better to know than not. Think I'm gonna stick to Evos.
Harley seems to think that one horsepower per cubic inch it's fantastic yet most of the British manufacturers were beating that with a 40 cubic inch bike with 40 horsepower with a single carburetor back in the 1950s
Thanks for the info, damn it why does Harley hope people don't see this stuff and wonder why they're sales are in trouble, and Indian sales increased because they put the best parts in and don't try to deceive customers! Harley bean counters and marketing better get their shit together!
They really starting cutting costs after the Evo and it hasn't been the same ever since.