Milwaukee-Eight Stage 4 VS Twin Cam 110 Stage 4 │Harley-Davidson Screamin' Eagle
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- Get a look at a detailed comparison of the new Milwaukee-Eight engine VS the old Twin Cam both built up to their max capabilities with Genuine Screamin' Eagle Parts. Take a look at the power graphs and see some "roll-on power" demonstrations. Matt Laidlaw gives his opinion on these two Performance builds.
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Great job on this vid, HD#1
Hey Matt, that 'Waukee sounds killer with the Stage IV installed! My son has a 2015 Street Glide with a Stage IV he installed soon after getting her home, & she has been a screaming machine ever since!!
Hey Matt,
What camera were you using? The sound quality is phenomenal!
Matt Laidlaw love your vids mate.
Matt Laidlaw thank you so very much for making this videos answered so many of my questions and concerns I have a 2014 and considering upgrading but when the Milwaukee hates came out I was told don't even bother because the milwaukee-eight sore so much better however I've been looking at the tire shredder kit for my but wasn't really sure if it was worth the investment after watching your video I believe it is thanks once again
I'm 52 started riding when I was 13 in Florida learned on a 1971 flh Harley. Now I live in Ohio. Have had Harley's, Kawasaki's, Honda's, Yamahas triumphs. People always downing different bikes,listen every bike is fun to ride I Don't care if it's a moped, two wheels is fun I love speed, love cruising so don't down another man's or woman's bike it's what you like in the wind two wheels forever, enjoy it while you can peace and adventure.
Robert Sammons Well said dude, safe riding!
I ride a VTX 110 cid
Exactly!!
This man is for Real does not matter what you ride
I have an 07 cvo dyna....lots of motor......nothing compares to a good 250cc motocross bike.....
Best TH-cam roll-on demo of two hard hitting V-twins I've ever seen. At 74 years old I've done this sort of thing since the late 1950's and I take my hat off to you guys. Road looked a little crowded to be turning up the wick on those things but hey, you got to remember I was doing this sort of thing back when there wasn't much traffic anywhere ! Wish I could have been able to read your tachs while you ran them thru the gears. Once again, great demonstration of two strong motors. Makes me wish I was young again!
I didn't expect that 110 to be that strong, wow!
I've got one in my road king. Great motor
A 107 with an aftermarket cam and good tune produces more for thousands less. That stage 4 doesn’t make sense per dollar.
Both great engines! The Twin cam definitely held its own!
I got a 2011 screaming eagle CVO ultra limited which had the cam upgrade full exhaust upgrade air cleaner upgrade with no big deal but she's cranking out just shy of 100 horses and just shy of 110 ft lb of torque and that thing is a monster I love it
Love how u speed and blur out how fast ur going! Makes my day
Glad I could make your day more enjoyable
Man..That 110 hauls ass.. I thought the M8 would run away from it but that didn't look like the case at all..
Yea, it definitely didn’t run away. It was a close match up.
By the way.. The bars and the windscreen with the cutaways look really nice on the M8 Street Glide.. Nice..
Im really feeling the M8and what it comes with...but now Im thinking that same thing about the 110cc. Gonna have to go back to the drawing board now...🤔
The m8 doesnt really have much more power, harley says the 107 has 10% more torque than the 103, id hope so with a higher ci engine, the 114 has 8% more torque than the 110, they put out what an additional 5-8hp compared to the old engine, the 4 valves are really just smoothening the bike out, with a lil extra power added. Im not surprised the twin cam held its own at all, we also dont know how much the two riders weigh in comparison to each other, it makes a world of difference.
10% more torque? Are you Sure? If so then 10% more torque must be a big deal from 0-60. Because I raced my brothers 103 vs my 107 and I burned him hard. And he's been riding way longer than me.... so I think the 107 is alot more powerful than the 103. The torque is nice.
Great video Matt. I work overseas for 90 days and home for 30. I ride a SGS M8 S4. Nice to see a video of bikers just riding and listening to the sounds of the bikes. Keep it up.
You can't beat Laidlaws sales and service... i've been dealing with them since the early 90s and never had a problem! everything they promise they always deliver on!
Thanks for your business sir.
They do have a excellent reputation.
would love to see a stage 4 117TC vs stage 4 117M8 vid.
Currently having the shredder kit fitted to my breakout 103, can't wait. Thanks for the videos, all good and fair plus impartial...
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I'm envious 👍 I have a '17 Breakout , I'm entertaining the idea of a shredder myself.
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I have watched this video about 10 times already. Then I thought Wow! Matt and crew just took the world on a wicked fun tricked out Harley ride into the setting sun in California !
HOW COOL IS THAT?????
Haha. Thanks man. I think people are enjoying this video. I’ll have to do more like this.
Matt Laidlaw Yes!!! Please! !!
Yep, the older bike not only held it's own, looks like it was a bit quicker. That's nice to know :)
Don't know which one is more powerful but the vid made me go out and ride. Thx Matt for the inspiration
You’re welcome. Enjoy my friend
Matt, my 16 SGS is currently at the dealer, having a Tire Shredder kit installed. I'm currently in Afghanistan, and set to come home in about 10 days. I cannot wait. Watching this video makes me even more excited to get my bike back. I'm throwing some color matched AdvanBlack extended bags and a Cobra 2-1 pipe on it too. Awesome vid, sir. Looked like an absolute blast. As Blockhead would say..."This one time in Mexico..." LOLOL Shiny side up!
Total opsec failure right there.
Hats of to the twin cam, I have a slightly tuned 103 myself but that new Road King Special just speaks to me, 114 kit will make it just right.
By the way Matt...the new transmission SERIOUSLY BLOWS the TC trans away! Smooth shifting and NO clunking changing gears....WAY better design and I LOVE the hydraulic clutch. If you ask me you shouldn't even thing of comparing the new scoot with the old ones.....Harley FINALLY got it right all the way around....thanks again! My new Street Glide makes me have bug stains! I can live with that!
Yea, speed isn’t everything (although it’s high on the list). There are a lot of factors to consider. Starter is better, runs cooler, better fly wheels and crank, breaths better, better suited for performance upgrades, better charging system. Etc etc. the M8 is just better all around engine.
Well my night just got a lot better due to Matt!
I am about 3.5 yrs late watching this video but, dam that twin cam was either side by side or pulling from the M8. Didn't expect to see that. Great video.
I see this video is 5 years old but I just had to say Thanks!!!
I've been waiting for 5 weeks for parts for my Screaming Eagle stage 4 110ci kit...
Got a call the other day all the parts but the cylinders are in... so maybe another 10 days?
Can't wait to get back out on the roads, this is the longest time not riding in over 3 years...
I’ve been thinking about buying a Milwaukee 8 but after watching this vid my mind is changing.
Brad M. Lol why change of mind ?
Yeah, no kidding.
Thanks Matt, great video. This video is helping me decide on the Stage III M8 kit where the power comes on sooner in the rpm range. Like you state in the video, the stage IV kit shines in the upper rpm range.
lol! I love how the speedo is blurred during the roll on acceleration “testing.”
The gauge mists up when you get going fast for some reason.
Like the power characteristics of the TC stage IV better.
2hotFL agreed, i have two feet of snow. I've watched this vid four times so far today, i think it's gonna be my go to ride fix for the winter.
100% agree. Not too sure I'd be riding much above 5000 - 5500 anyway. Torque is where the fun is...
Great Video. I own a 2016 CVO StreetGlide with the Twin Cooled 110 Twin Cam that is upgraded with a Stage 1. It's dyno'd at 96 horsepower, and 110 lbs of torque at the rear wheel. I will be bumping it up with the 117 kit soon. Should produce great results! 👍😎
Theres a 2016 cvo streetglide for sale near me and im really thinking about getting it. Its being sold for 24k dollars though and a brand new street glide special is 30k so idk if its worth it to just buy the brand new bike.
that's too bad, the day looked sunny and fine and yet you caught a cloud on your tachometer at 8:10 :)
I never could see Francesco !! È fatto a posta !!!
I have been riding since 1974. Have owned over 40 bikes (all larger street bikes, no dirt bikes). I see one thing all the time and it makes me smile. People take a bike that is meant to do one thing and try to turn it into something that does another thing. At the age of 60, I decided I wanted to ride fast, so I bought a Kawasaki ZX12R, a CBR1000RR, a TL1000S, a K1200RS and a K1200R Sport. Of course, I have owned a few Harleys, in fact, I have a Road King CVO 103 and a Softail Heritage Springer (Evo 80 in) in my garage right now. I also have a Goldwing 1500SE in my garage right now that keeps my Triumph Thunderbird 1600 ABS company. Trying to turn a Harley into a "speed demon" is a joke. Trying to turn a ZX12R into a Tourer is laughable. Trying to turn a Goldwing 1500 into a canyon carver will get you killed. Tour on the Goldwing, cruise on the Springer and T-bird, ride two up with your wife on the Road King. Buy the bike that fits what you want it to do and if you want to change that "to do" buy another bike that fits your new "to do" way of riding. You want a "kick in the pants" at 80 mph, buy a Vmax. You want 0-60, buy a BMW K1200R Sport "They's fast Uncle Jed", as Jethro would say. I bought my ZX12R for $2800, which is the price of the parts alone on those Harleys and they still would lose to that ZX12R (Had it up to 185 mph going to Pyramid Lake outside of Sparks, NV, just past the BLM wild horses). Remember, horse people know best. They ride Clydesdales at the Triple Crown, they ride Throughbreds at the barrel racing, they ride - oh wait, maybe they do it different.... Buy the right bike from the beginning and you will be happier in life. Stop putting saddle bags on a Sportster! Sportsters are meant to carry your wallet only. If you want to tour, cruise, canyon carve or canyon carve while touring, then save your money for you are going to be 60 years old some day and look in the mirror and say, "You are a Bike Whore!" Not a bad thing to be!
Well said. So basically make sure you can afford 10 bikes and just get one for every situation. Got it. 😜.
Matt, that is why I buy used and I am a mechanic. I fix bikes (all kinds) and have been doing so since there were spark advance mechanisms on Harleys. That is the key to a lot of bikes. I am by no means rich. And yes, I have owned as many as 10 bikes in my garage at once (my wife started riding after 25 years on back so I had to add to the stable). Don't buy the $30,000 Harley Road King CVO 103, I bought my used on with 5,000 miles on it in 2017 for $6,000 (just like new). I will keep it for a year or two and sell it for $8000. The bike is showroom perfect. It is all in the waiting game of "Bike Whordom!" Only bought 1 new bike in my life. A 1975 Kawasaki Z900 when I came back from a tour on the Korean DMZ, I bought it in Fairfield, CA. Peace brother.
He works for Harley.
Lol
Just sold my ZX-12R and bought a Street Glide. Your comments are words of wisdom and have the ring of truth to them. Well said!
Cant believe how smooth the idle seemed. Im not sitting on it but ive seen stockers shake alot more that that.
Love that sound.
So I found that interesting because I wanted to know about the stage IV kit for the Milwaukee 8. Thanks
I have the stage 2 with the torque cam, rineharts & k&n snorkel & I couldn't be happier .
Next time you should do the old trick where one rider does three hits on the horn to determine the "start" for the roll on races - that way your both on it at the right time. I would probably give this "win" slightly to the old bike.
The sound of the M8 was great and they both ran very aggressive the twin cam was very impressive thanks for the comparison, you have the best riding weather on the west coast
Looks like the M8 is getting smoked by the TC ?
Sure looked like it to me. The old Twin Cam smoked it....
Hi Matt, great video as always, my 2017 RGS in the shop just now going to 114 stage 3, dealer has flashed it using a download that removes the speed governor so I will let you know how it goes. I am in Scotland though and it’s around 28 degrees here at the moment so you might have to wait until March 😃 I’m taking this bike to Prague for the 115 Anniversary Rally and that will include some autobahn travel 😈
John Porter why did you go stage 3 instead of 4?
NINJA DAVIDSON to retain Harley torque characteristics and not push all the power to high revs
Ahh. I see. I'm waiting for my new rgs with stage 4. Just wondered.
Yes the low end torque is wonderful. That is real power.
Hey Matt, this is one of my favorite videos of yours. Quick question - how well do these kits hold up over time?
Fast lane here in Indianapolis does all my tuning my 110 twin cam makes 138 horse at the tire and 149 foot pounds of torque Factory bore 12 to 1,585 gear drives 58 mm throttle body,fully ported heads by Stewart racing here in Indy. Been to Sturgis twice not on trailer!!!! And runs high 10's in quarter!!! Call it the busa killer!!!!
👊🏻😮 wow. Those are some serious numbers.
Matt Laidlaw fast lane on gasoline Alley, ask for Mark!! The D-D boarzilla makes big difference in performance. Numbers where on good fuel.
Fro at south side Harley here in Indy have a NA MILWAUKEE 8 putting down over 200 to the tire. Not sure exactly what he's done. He's head tech there.
Nice work as usual. Thank you for putting out videos with the things people really want and need to know about these bikes good or bad as you see it, and not just trying to sell paint, chrome and bullshit. As much as I'd like to have seen bikes on a dyno initially, but also understanding the cost and time it would take... the factory performance specs in your usual format with some seat of the pants dyno, same solid commentary and more aggressive riding noise make the video informative, helpful towards making a purchase, and even more enjoyable. Kill confirmed on the twin cam. Lol. That M8 sounds SO good through those mufflers. If Harley Davidson hadn't began to update anything in the last few years I'd STILL be openly trashing them for mushy suspension and coat hanger frames wrapped in plastic that stink of poor tuning and leak oil.
Lol Harleys haven’t leaked oil in over 40 years since the AMF days.
If you look at the power graphs there is a huge increase even under the curve, you're getting more power everywhere with these kits. 2600 to get the power output these bikes should be putting out from the factory. Also damn that M8 sounds good.
That M8 sounds BAD ASS! Love it!
Wow!! What great riding Matt!!! Guys!! Made my heart remember !!! THIS. IS ALLREADDY A CLASSIC VIDEO! Best on you tbe so far as. i haver ever seen. I am going to share lots. I am honored too. You guys made my whole week!!!
Haha Awesome man. Thanks for watching
Real nice ride, love paint too! If mine wasn't 100 anniv I'd do paint job like this, but I want to keep this bike stock paint! I found an amazing horsepower in a bottle way back in 1989, I taught math, so I've been researching bike performance numbers, very interesting subject!
Love the sound. Both are solid bikes.
Great video as per usual Matt. I noticed these bikes appear to have some fault issues, throttling these glides appear to cause condensation in the speedo gauge. 🤔
Cheers from Australia again Matt👍
Yea, it’s weird. The condensation seems to get thicker at higher speeds. Definitely a warranty item we’ll need to take care of.
;)
Tony Duman / b(7
Awesome video wish you guys would have did a test from the dig . To see how hard both bikes can pull from a dead stand still !
Great vid. Especially on the explanation of where the power is. Above 4k on one and 5k on the other. That's important pending your riding style
Excellent, highly informative highway rippin´vid there bud´. Looked like much fun!
Keep em´coming sir!
Glad to see this video popped up on my recommended videos. I have been debating on which stage kit to go with for my 2017 RG. I think I'll be going with the Stage IV with Smart Tune Pro!
FIRST!
[my life is complete, I happened to open my TH-cam app right when Matt uploaded a new video. Lol]
Your videos are DA BOMB, Matt. I relied on them for purchasing both of my first two bikes. 👍🏽😎👍🏽
Haha yes!!!!
Looks like the twin cam held its own...
Yea it did
Matt Laidlaw
I'm getting a 2018 CVO Limited.
Is it worth the extra cash to get the Stage IV, even thou it already comes with a 117???
no, its not, 117 is plenty
I thought the twin cam won
Low end torque...H.D is good for other than that not so much my buddy that rides with me has the stage 4 set up on his glide .. and I smoke him everytime with my Victory XC. No cams just power commander Lloyds air filter and turning wheel..no shade just Facts.
I’m about to do a 110
Tire shredder kit on my Street Glide.
Can’t wait!
What a place to ride. Glad I can get in the country side in ten minutes. These 2 bikes would be fun there.
Enjoyed the ride.. no loud irritating music, mindless chatter etc.. love the sounds of the big twin!
Nice video Matt, I have a 2016 street glide special with the tire shredder kit and I love it
Nice man. It’s a great engine build. Tons of fun
Matt:
Thank you for the great videos and insights not to mention responding to all the questions. You don't have to but you do. For those that disagree or have other opinions share them as they are valuable as well. Just do so with respect and some class it you want to be taken seriously. there is a bike, upgrade and good and bad experiences. If you can't go to the another site and waste your time there.
Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it.
With all that work you got on that bike I would have thought you would have walked away from him
Thanks for making such informative and interesting tubes. I love my 115th FLHTK-ANV, but at the same time don’t think these bikes are made to race. Although my original Milwaukee 8 gives me enough power to ride around 110 mph on hwy easily, it’s HP is nothing compared to such racing monster bikes as ZX14, which I used to own for a few years. This is coz whatever modifications you make on your HD’s engine, its body, frame, and style is not designed to accelerate like an aerodynamic sport bike. I love my Harley coz it’s a super comfy bike and it roars like a lion. And that’s all about it
I got 2017 ROAD GLIDE. I'd be dam if i spend a dime for speed. All those thousands for a fraction of a millimeter of improvement?? I'd just go back to crotch rockets if i wanna go fast...IMHO
71donkrider the amount of money people spend on stage kits you could buy a decent crotch rocket and go twice as fast
I agree. I’ve still got my 99 Kawasaki zrx1100 with 44k miles and it’s slow by today’s standards but it will easily run away from my breakout. Stage 1 to get a better look and sound is as far as a Harley needs to go
@@marka1712 you guys are really comparing crotch rockets to Harleys? I have had both and currently have a Road Glide the reason people spend the money is we like the look and comfort of an AMERICAN MADE bagger but they lack HP so we will spend money to make it a more ballsy bike by Harley standards not so we can beat a ricer.... these guys are just showing the difference between the new Milwaukee and the twin cam...
Looks so damn fun. Wish Georgia had that kind of riding weather all the time like CA
Hey Matt? Don't worry about me. I'm good!Thanks!!
$4,000+ EXTRA to make a $25,000+ bike with an 1800+cc motor make 100hp? I like Harleys but that's ridiculous IMO
Exactly. I have a 2019 electra glide. Need i say more.
Harleys dont sell hp dumbass. Never has. Never will. Why? Because hp is useless. Hp is not making you go fast. Harley sells TQ. Tq wins races. Tq is what makes you move. Tq is the only thing important.
@@jameswise170 that just isn't how it works. I wont waste time explaining why, but it just isn't.
@@ChristianJHosbach they dont stupid ass. Hp is tq. To make any hp you have to make more tq. Its common sense. No engine can make hp without twisting( tq= twisting force)
@@jameswise170 tq gets you off the line HP pulls you up top
great video brother. best reviews on bikes, parts, and performance. I'm coming to grab my street glide special later this summer.
I am happy with my 2015 CVO Street Glide 110 screaming eagle 102hp and 111 ft pound torque. I have no problems getting out of traffic.
Nice video and commentary Matt! Interesting comments too....For what it's worth, I wanted to say that I appreciate ALL two wheelers. I've been riding for 40 plus years on over 23 bikes (please don't judge lol). At 16 I had purchased 3 bikes including my first Kawasaki Triple 2 stroke... wow it was a machine to be reckoned with. From there it was everything from Dual Purpose Hondas to Husqvarna motocross to Sport Touring Adventure. My first bike with a driveshaft; a brand new 1982 Suzuki GS650. For the last 2 or 3 years I've started to really slow down when riding public streets and have taken a much different approach to riding than when I was in my teens, 20's, 30's and even 40's. Hence the purchase of my first HD - an 08 Fatboy. Yes, it's true and my wife still can't believe I bought one. I'm enjoying the brand history of that nostalgic styling and relaxing cruising that it gives when we tour around the river and unpopulated country roads. However, when I was younger I hated those bikes - passed many of them "noisy things"...lol. Now I'm just about to purchase another - 09 Road King for those touring needs. The HD brand is one that I really didn't know much about and ignored. Now that I'm more aware I have a different appreciation and it has given us another aspect of motorcycling. We dated on bikes as teens and now still enjoy them, just at a much slower pace. Point I like to make is that we should all be open to the various motorcycle trends / ideas and embrace the open air in our faces; respect each others ideas of a good ride on a nice curvy road or a straight wide one...Life is short, keep the rubber side down!
Awesome, well done Matt, big thumbs up to another great video, thanks man 👍👍👍
Hi Matt, really great sound and good looking handlebars too. Thanks for the video. Great job. Greets Alex.
Thank you for making this video. Because of this Ill probably get the tire shredder kit on mine. Kudos for blurring out the speedometers. Smart.
Thanks man. Glad you enjoyed it.
Bike sounds great you can hear the difference don't need to go at high speeds to appreciate the power great video mad thank you take care
Not sure why the speedo is blurred. You can pretty easily ballpark speeds off rpm and gearing...
Matt, great comparison video. Glad to see your roads in SoCal are as crappy as they are up here lol. After watching your videos rather then spend a truck load of money on a new bike a sage III or IV upgrade makes more sense for my103 Ultra and Softail.Leaving my 1200XL alone. On a sad note Dudley Perkins after 103 years has been sold. I hope you guys will be around for a long time.
What about upgrades to the CVO 117?
Now thats how you do a video comparison
I must say, the 8 valve Evo Panhead intrigues me.
Lol.
Awesome i like that you do all this cool stuff giving us info we all like and can use man you are a awesome vloger keep up the good work
Thank you !
2 heavy beasts battling it out awesome video that twin cam tho nice
Wonder what all those cagers in both lanes were thinking as y'all blasted past them. The real men were feeling it, the women were soaked in awe and the snowflakes melted! Yea, you damn right that was a Harley that roared by!
Haha. 👍🏻 I love it.
Most definitely this is one of the best roll-on videos ever. I watched again about 10 times already this morning playing on my TV with surround sound. DAMN!!!! THAT EXHAUST SOUNDS AWESOME!!!! I know it's not even close to what it sounds like in person but damn. Motivated me to get off the fence and start looking at Stage kits and exhaust.
Jaquenth LaMonte that read like poetry, nice one !!! 😎
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Very informative, your shop rocks!!!
Great video guys.... as always!!!! Have a great Christmas!! 😎
Great video again Matt 😃👍
Oh and loved the video...keep it up. Let's see another vid on your bike!!
Coming very soon my friend
Matt Laidlaw awesome!! I've got the bell icon clicked buddy, I'm all set lol. Its winter here in NYC so I have to live through u guys in warm areas. Ride safe!!
Why is the Tach screen fogged out?
I think the speedo is fogged.
Where can I get one of those blurry speedos?
It’s a part that I’m developing right now. Still in R&D
I'd go the twin cam all day long
How come? I'm just curious since I don't really understand the differences between the two other than size and valves.
@@jgbecker24 a bike with a twin cam will be 8k cheaper depending wich harley model
@@todchez1047 Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.
@@jgbecker24 there is a lot of difference between a m8 and tc. The whole engine and frame is designed new. The engine has a ton of difference in parts. Better cooling. More valves. Better oil pumps. New aluminum parts and better flywheel design so it doesnt shake( i want the shake by the way) and much more
@@jameswise170 It still vibrates
That guy bike on your right side run good as well, thanks for sharing.
I’m finding a lot of information that with the right cam, screaming eagle injectors, and a power vision tune I can turn some really decent numbers out of my stage 3 M8. Even more if I do heads port and polish but that’s another $1800.
AWESOME video! Damn these cold Illinois winters! I want to ride!
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Nice. Dropping the hammer! Aftermarket cam with the stage 4 will smarten that up real good.
stock for stock the m8 has the power but if you are going with the stage 4 kits i would take the twin cam all day long just to many issues with the oil sumping on the m8 with engine failures for me to risk it
Looks like That 110 out works the 114. Definitely doesn't hurt my feelings for getting a twin cam over an m8, Minuse a couple features lol
I just recently got rid of my 18’ rgs 107. Sucked. Just picked up the 16’ CVO Prostreet Breakout 110Tc. Night and day different with twin cam. Much better stop light to stop light torque and speed
Thank you Matt!
Great comparison video. Well done!
Sounds great, 11:40 is my favorite part!
🙌🏻🙂
Serious power!
Al
The M8 has more potential for power. The 4 valve heads flow better and don't require high lift cams to get good power.
8:58 sound of a Harley angel
I can't wait to cam my 10 street bob.
Those handle bars look great on that M8
Far out they both fly!!!
Thanks for another great video. Sure it must be boring making them in that Cali weather!
I like how you blur out the speedometer. :)