Oh god, how sad. Just read the wikipedia entry "Morrow died at the age of 47 on November 18, 2020, just eight days after the death of his father, Tom Morrow.[8] His death was announced on Facebook by his brother, Casey Morrow, and linked to a long history of alcohol abuse.".
My theory is that the Wraith encountered Asgard beaming technology during the war with the Lanteans ten thousand years ago (most likely during their clashes with the renegade Vanir faction, when they were destroying the extragalactic visitors' spaceships to prevent them returning home). That's how the Wraith knew how to jam the teleportation but the modern Asgard on board Daedalus didn't know how to overcome the countermeasures.
I think it's more likely that the ancients tried a similar tactic in their war with the wraith. Just because we've previously seen ring transporters & Atlantis Transporter booths doesn't mean the Ancients had beaming tech before the Asgard. They've been around millions of years, we've barely scratch the surface of Ancient technology. Plus it kind of makes sense, after beam destroying the 1st Hive above Atlantis, the Wraith reactivated the jamming tech, then in this battle, it took 2 beams (2 hives) to adjust the frequency for the asgard version.
Personnellement j'ai toujours pensé que cette scène montrait uniquement la capacité des wraiths a s'adapter rapidement aux changements de situation. A la place du commandant j'aurais demandé d'ajuster le faisceau, non plus a l'intérieur des ruches mais devant les sorties des hangars a chasseur, au moins ça aurait fait des dégâts et peut être handicapés leurs capacités offensives voir même provoquer la défaillance de certains systèmes.
@@misterfreese3154nuclear weapons are ineffective in the vacuum of space. Yes, it can create a powerful EMR, a large emission of heat and radiation in a diameter of 100 meters, but no more. The power of nuclear weapons is in the shock wave, when detonated in the atmosphere. Therefore, kinetic and laser weapons are much more effective in space. Well, or plasma.
@@Manuel_Fal_Condethe shockwave of a nuke would only pass through an object if it hits it. So they would work in space but they would have to impact their target like any explosive weapon. The best weapons for use in space would be blast fragment weapons, weapons that spew hundreds of projectiles every second or just direct energy weapons.
@@Manuel_Fal_Conde Unless you can land the hit and have penaids to bring the detonation inside the hull- granted, might not be "in the vacuum", but still a viable stellar weapon.
My question, if you can't beam onto the ships, why not next to them? Using horseshoes and hand grenade logic, you'd figure having a nuke exploding within a mile of a hiveship would do some significant damage.
The issue is that you're assuming the wraith jamming stops at the edge of the ship's hull. When has jamming ever just stopped at the edge of whatever's doing the jamming? It's probably interfering with the entire area. I don't know why people keep suggesting this.
I might have done something different, as others would have. I'd have gotten coordinates for all the ships, beamed all the warheads over with a countdown of say ten seconds, and see what happens. At least I would have gotten more ships blown up.
@LyokoisGreat2 . Possibly. Unless they had encountered this tech before.. Also, by flying super close, launching point blank at the bays, and jumping into hyperspace. Another way before it gets closed off.. then they'd have shielded bays...would be interesting at least..
Exactly what I always thought, even if it didn't destroy the hive ship at the very least it should damage it or push it away from the blast point, hopefully into another hive ship, and likely even blind their sensors for a few minutes.
in theory yes, it would depend on the range of the jamming field. but nukes on the hull of the ship arnt as effective. In the battle at midway (or what would become midway) they successfully hit with 1-2 nukes on the hull and the ship was barely phased.
@@chrisbryan2195keep in mind that there wouldn’t be a shockwave from the explosion in space. It would dump a lot of heat onto the hull, but presumably the hull it already pretty heat tolerant given that hive ships were designed to be landed through an atmosphere. I doubt a nuke would do any significant damage from the outside of the hull.
The issue is that you're assuming the wraith jamming stops at the edge of the ship's hull. When has jamming ever just stopped at the edge of whatever's doing the jamming? It's probably interfering with the entire area. I don't know why people keep suggesting this.
I believe so. As for how powerful maybe Tsar bomb time 3? From the ep where they tested a Naquadah enhanced bomb on an old Goa'uld mine planet and light it up.
I think it's because the enemy ships are also moving. They need a stable set of coordinates or else it would rematerialize wherever it shouldn't be. And it's also inside a ship which is tricky if you think about it.
I think it's because you can't beam multiple cargos in multiple destinations. One load, one destination. Even when you beam a group of people, they all goes in the same destination. The computer maybe can't lock on multiple target at the same time. It's not canon, it's just my reflection on the subject.
You know, I always felt the Earth ships were too underpowered in terms of weapons before the Asgard Beam weapons were intalled. They would have been better equipped if they had used the Mk7 guns from the Iowa class Battleships as primary weapons, and the railguns as secondary, and AA guns.
Standard railguns were more useful due to their greater effective range based on projectile speed, that is, the faster the projectile goes, the more difficult it is for an enemy to dodge and notice it. It is not the same to be 100 km from a projectile that is going at 900 meters per second than from one that is going 5 km per second. anything I don't understand why they didn't develop super heavy railguns and only relied on missiles
This thing is funny from a writing standpoint. They knew wraith vessels didn't have shields, and understood that people would think of using the transporters to deploy nukes, but also knew that it was incredibly overpowered. So they let it be used for a bit and let the viewer have fun getting to see a few of these ships get wrecked, before having the Wraith have a countermeasure that means they can't use the broken strategy anymore. Rather then just saying something wouldn't work for reasons, they actually let it work for a bit almost as a reward for creativity.
Not much better then launching them, you'd still need a good few nukes to destroy them, and it would be less damaging then direct hits because there's no medium to transfer energy through, so it wasn't worth using over just launching the missiles.
I think you can beam in only one destination at a time. One load, one destination. Maybe it's a limitation of the technology or the computer who can send it's cargo in only one destination at a time. It's not canon in the show, just a reflection from my part.
@@uc3362 even if they could only beam one at a time, they could have beamed one nuke at a time to all 12 hive ships, and have all 12 nukes detonate all at the same time
@@uc3362He is saying time it so they didn’t figure it out until deploying all twelve I think. Course in that situation you would probably unload a full couple of rounds of missiles also. Then you also likely would co wider nuclear drone attack method also. Beyond the cloak jumper scenario. My thoughts anyways. Heck if you know the location of their exit point to the jump that well you could have deployed some mi es also.
Should have hung back and then deployed all the nukes simultaneously - boom! Or at least deployed some of them simultaneously, but I guess the plot didn't allow for it.
If the wraith hive ships didn’t have shields, why wouldn’t they transport the nukes within their formation. The blast would have damaged some of the ships, wouldn’t it? If one bomb did damage, then why not transport multiple nukes among the wraith fleet? If they can jam, just transport the nukes beside them.
The wraith rely on thick armour for protection. Plus nukes, and explosives in general, lose a lot of effectiveness in space. No shockwave. Far more effective to transport the nukes inside the ships.
the wraith are hiveminded and so fairly disciplined, without a sarcophagos they would not be able to retain control, and maybe not even then. Remember Skara was able to push the symbiote's limit of control
Gee, maybe transport nukes aboard each ship and then detonate, so they don't know something's up (give them a commo deadman's switch; no signal in 30 seconds, boom- unless, of course, the boom signal is received) and won't adapt to transporters...
Shields in Stargate are all about how much energy you can pump into them, against the energy they're losing to soak up incoming damage. When they're depleted, they collapse. When the Daedalus had a ZPM tied in, they could tank Hive Ships forever, because Asgard designed shields and a bottomless well of power. Asgard ships, and Ancient ships, have way, way better power generation, compared to Tau'ri ships, and so more energy available to pump into the shields. There's also the inefficiencies of moving that energy around, which is lampshaded later by Carter telling Rodney to work on maximizing the city's shield efficency. Tau'ri shields being crummy, through the whole series, is all about the achilles heel of available power and the lack thereof.
What always upsetted me about this entire scene was why dont they just beam the nukes out right in front of the ships instead of in. Use them like mines?
yea and even distributing the knowledge to the rest of the ships, and the wraith says it is hard to get their ships to do new things but magically in under five minutes they analyse the beaming tech, counter it, and develop and implement the solution. Bad writing in this scene really.
“who knows, maybe they’ll surrender”
poor caldwell still didn’t quite know what he’s in for
In memory of Kirby Morrow, the actor that played Captain Dave Kleinman, weapons officer of the USAF Daedalus. 💗
jesus.. i did not know.. maaan..
COD?
Oh god, how sad. Just read the wikipedia entry
"Morrow died at the age of 47 on November 18, 2020, just eight days after the death of his father, Tom Morrow.[8] His death was announced on Facebook by his brother, Casey Morrow, and linked to a long history of alcohol abuse.".
1:53 This looks like the Promotheus lol
It is, they didn't update the display graphics on the bridge set when they updated it for the 304s.
My theory is that the Wraith encountered Asgard beaming technology during the war with the Lanteans ten thousand years ago (most likely during their clashes with the renegade Vanir faction, when they were destroying the extragalactic visitors' spaceships to prevent them returning home). That's how the Wraith knew how to jam the teleportation but the modern Asgard on board Daedalus didn't know how to overcome the countermeasures.
I think it's more likely that the ancients tried a similar tactic in their war with the wraith.
Just because we've previously seen ring transporters & Atlantis Transporter booths doesn't mean the Ancients had beaming tech before the Asgard.
They've been around millions of years, we've barely scratch the surface of Ancient technology.
Plus it kind of makes sense, after beam destroying the 1st Hive above Atlantis, the Wraith reactivated the jamming tech, then in this battle, it took 2 beams (2 hives) to adjust the frequency for the asgard version.
Personnellement j'ai toujours pensé que cette scène montrait uniquement la capacité des wraiths a s'adapter rapidement aux changements de situation. A la place du commandant j'aurais demandé d'ajuster le faisceau, non plus a l'intérieur des ruches mais devant les sorties des hangars a chasseur, au moins ça aurait fait des dégâts et peut être handicapés leurs capacités offensives voir même provoquer la défaillance de certains systèmes.
@@misterfreese3154nuclear weapons are ineffective in the vacuum of space. Yes, it can create a powerful EMR, a large emission of heat and radiation in a diameter of 100 meters, but no more. The power of nuclear weapons is in the shock wave, when detonated in the atmosphere. Therefore, kinetic and laser weapons are much more effective in space. Well, or plasma.
@@Manuel_Fal_Condethe shockwave of a nuke would only pass through an object if it hits it. So they would work in space but they would have to impact their target like any explosive weapon.
The best weapons for use in space would be blast fragment weapons, weapons that spew hundreds of projectiles every second or just direct energy weapons.
@@Manuel_Fal_Conde Unless you can land the hit and have penaids to bring the detonation inside the hull- granted, might not be "in the vacuum", but still a viable stellar weapon.
Well now I know her name is Major Emma Cooper, thanks for the upscale!
We should respect this little 304 standing against 10 Hives + cruisers firing at it. The Asgard shield is something
It was always said the Tau'ri had a few ships with decent shield tech.
Man, I love this scene! Thanks for the high res clip!
No problem!
The confirmation sound before a weapon transport gives me chills everytime!
1:11 My favourite part, where Novak just yeets that lady in the chair out of the way.
Personally, I wouldn't go right at them and tried to avoid them as nukes get transported from safer distance but you do you.
It's the 'American Way'. Gung Ho.
T think he ordered to go right at them to get under their guns and make them risk hitting each other.
Colonel Caldwell is my favorite :) Mitch Pileggi is awesome :)
My question, if you can't beam onto the ships, why not next to them? Using horseshoes and hand grenade logic, you'd figure having a nuke exploding within a mile of a hiveship would do some significant damage.
By beaming the nukes into the ship it will cause secondary explosions
Nuclear explosions are far less impressive in a vacuum; no shockwave, no overpressure, no blast; just hard radiation, some direct thermal, and EMP.
The issue is that you're assuming the wraith jamming stops at the edge of the ship's hull.
When has jamming ever just stopped at the edge of whatever's doing the jamming? It's probably interfering with the entire area.
I don't know why people keep suggesting this.
I might have done something different, as others would have. I'd have gotten coordinates for all the ships, beamed all the warheads over with a countdown of say ten seconds, and see what happens. At least I would have gotten more ships blown up.
Ten Seconds would give them time to adapt or send a message saying they have beaming tech use jamming tech
@LyokoisGreat2 . Possibly. Unless they had encountered this tech before..
Also, by flying super close, launching point blank at the bays, and jumping into hyperspace. Another way before it gets closed off.. then they'd have shielded bays...would be interesting at least..
Could they not have just transported the nukes to pretty much next to the hulls of the hive ships with an immediate detonation upon rematerialisation?
Exactly what I always thought, even if it didn't destroy the hive ship at the very least it should damage it or push it away from the blast point, hopefully into another hive ship, and likely even blind their sensors for a few minutes.
in theory yes, it would depend on the range of the jamming field. but nukes on the hull of the ship arnt as effective. In the battle at midway (or what would become midway) they successfully hit with 1-2 nukes on the hull and the ship was barely phased.
@@chrisbryan2195keep in mind that there wouldn’t be a shockwave from the explosion in space. It would dump a lot of heat onto the hull, but presumably the hull it already pretty heat tolerant given that hive ships were designed to be landed through an atmosphere. I doubt a nuke would do any significant damage from the outside of the hull.
The issue is that you're assuming the wraith jamming stops at the edge of the ship's hull.
When has jamming ever just stopped at the edge of whatever's doing the jamming? It's probably interfering with the entire area.
I don't know why people keep suggesting this.
0:17 play gamer nova empire on vr time 2024@ 0:36
Are the Nuclear Warheads on the Daedulas Naquadah enhanced?. How powerful are they?.
I believe so. As for how powerful maybe Tsar bomb time 3? From the ep where they tested a Naquadah enhanced bomb on an old Goa'uld mine planet and light it up.
Always wonder why they couldn't send more then on nuke at the time
I think it's because the enemy ships are also moving. They need a stable set of coordinates or else it would rematerialize wherever it shouldn't be.
And it's also inside a ship which is tricky if you think about it.
I think it's because you can't beam multiple cargos in multiple destinations. One load, one destination. Even when you beam a group of people, they all goes in the same destination. The computer maybe can't lock on multiple target at the same time. It's not canon, it's just my reflection on the subject.
You know, I always felt the Earth ships were too underpowered in terms of weapons before the Asgard Beam weapons were intalled. They would have been better equipped if they had used the Mk7 guns from the Iowa class Battleships as primary weapons, and the railguns as secondary, and AA guns.
Standard railguns were more useful due to their greater effective range based on projectile speed, that is,
the faster the projectile goes, the more difficult it is for an enemy to dodge and notice it. It is not the same to be 100 km from a projectile that is going at 900 meters per second than from one that is going 5 km per second.
anything I don't understand why they didn't develop super heavy railguns and only relied on missiles
@@brunoscarlatto4679 "The Expanse" showed the way in this regard.
Good thing we don't take your advice. Learn about explosions, combustion. And the vacuum of space.👍🏼
in all honesty id just open a hyperspace window inside each hive ship and call it a day
Set course for the Atlantis......Max warp! Engage
Uhm... wrong engine? /s
This thing is funny from a writing standpoint. They knew wraith vessels didn't have shields, and understood that people would think of using the transporters to deploy nukes, but also knew that it was incredibly overpowered. So they let it be used for a bit and let the viewer have fun getting to see a few of these ships get wrecked, before having the Wraith have a countermeasure that means they can't use the broken strategy anymore. Rather then just saying something wouldn't work for reasons, they actually let it work for a bit almost as a reward for creativity.
I always wondered why if they couldn't beam the nukes aboard, why not next to the hive ship? Unless the jamming signal propagated out a few miles.
Not much better then launching them, you'd still need a good few nukes to destroy them, and it would be less damaging then direct hits because there's no medium to transfer energy through, so it wasn't worth using over just launching the missiles.
If your actually in that situation, you would be launching missiles like crazy also.
One thing I always didn't get is why didn't they beam nukes on all 12 hive ships and have them detonate all at the same time
I think you can beam in only one destination at a time. One load, one destination. Maybe it's a limitation of the technology or the computer who can send it's cargo in only one destination at a time. It's not canon in the show, just a reflection from my part.
@@uc3362 even if they could only beam one at a time, they could have beamed one nuke at a time to all 12 hive ships, and have all 12 nukes detonate all at the same time
If it operated with int and common sense, there likely wouldn’t be much of a story to tell
@@uc3362He is saying time it so they didn’t figure it out until deploying all twelve I think. Course in that situation you would probably unload a full couple of rounds of missiles also. Then you also likely would co wider nuclear drone attack method also. Beyond the cloak jumper scenario. My thoughts anyways. Heck if you know the location of their exit point to the jump that well you could have deployed some mi es also.
@@illbeyourhuckleberry6484 Very good points👍
Too bad they couldn't get coords for every ship all at once and eliminate the whole problem in one go
from my understanding this was a test and not an absolute guarentee of a success.
Should have hung back and then deployed all the nukes simultaneously - boom! Or at least deployed some of them simultaneously, but I guess the plot didn't allow for it.
You know they could have used drone with briefcase nukes also.
they should have been deploying faster and detonating right away like maybe get coordinates on all the ships first then start beaming
If the wraith hive ships didn’t have shields, why wouldn’t they transport the nukes within their formation. The blast would have damaged some of the ships, wouldn’t it? If one bomb did damage, then why not transport multiple nukes among the wraith fleet? If they can jam, just transport the nukes beside them.
The wraith rely on thick armour for protection. Plus nukes, and explosives in general, lose a lot of effectiveness in space. No shockwave.
Far more effective to transport the nukes inside the ships.
They should have transported all of the weapons onto the Hive ships and then detonated them all simultaneously.
probably in a in universe limitation on how many targets they can lock on , but your comments makes sense
Really surprising goa'uld dont try to possess a wraith, i mean, best host possible and powerfull with regeneration and tech
the wraith are hiveminded and so fairly disciplined, without a sarcophagos they would not be able to retain control, and maybe not even then. Remember Skara was able to push the symbiote's limit of control
Gee, maybe transport nukes aboard each ship and then detonate, so they don't know something's up (give them a commo deadman's switch; no signal in 30 seconds, boom- unless, of course, the boom signal is received) and won't adapt to transporters...
Why are earth ships shields so crappy?
10 to 1 odds tend to reduce effectiveness
10 hive ship + escorting cruiser probably more then 10 so less say 15. 1 vs 25 and not getting destroy is crappy to you?
It's being shot at by 10 other hives plus whatever escorts they have.
Shields in Stargate are all about how much energy you can pump into them, against the energy they're losing to soak up incoming damage. When they're depleted, they collapse. When the Daedalus had a ZPM tied in, they could tank Hive Ships forever, because Asgard designed shields and a bottomless well of power.
Asgard ships, and Ancient ships, have way, way better power generation, compared to Tau'ri ships, and so more energy available to pump into the shields. There's also the inefficiencies of moving that energy around, which is lampshaded later by Carter telling Rodney to work on maximizing the city's shield efficency.
Tau'ri shields being crummy, through the whole series, is all about the achilles heel of available power and the lack thereof.
What always upsetted me about this entire scene was why dont they just beam the nukes out right in front of the ships instead of in. Use them like mines?
Wouldn’t work, the hulls of wraith ships are too strong for a nuke penetrate.
That was just too quick to figure out how to jam Asgard beaming technology
yea and even distributing the knowledge to the rest of the ships, and the wraith says it is hard to get their ships to do new things but magically in under five minutes they analyse the beaming tech, counter it, and develop and implement the solution. Bad writing in this scene really.
😂having an Asgard on board and still the wraith outsmarted them, wth?! Most advanced race in milky way galaxy is a joke🎉🎉
I mean the Asgard was confined to the limits of inferior human ships
@@ahhlewis Ya pretty sure a o'neil class if they were still around would have slapped the wraith around like a bully in a school yard
Meh, just part of the American standard, you lose for ages then you suddenly win doing nothing different other than sticking out your chest.
Why you so surprised? Wraith annihilated Ancients - most advanced race in known universe.
@@nolf3281 Ancients were stupid, they made good scientists but terrible tacticians and strategists