I love how in stargate, Earth goes from an insignificant backwater to the primary power in the galaxy and at no point does it jump the gun and go too far. Every advance is covered in at least one episode, every technology can have its source identified, at no point does earth in stargate just have new tech just... because. It all has an origin abd I love that about it.
Rainman I totally agree. It was a practical slow progression. From Gould shields and engines on the promethesus and rail guns and missiles Would then be given asgard shields and engines. This would carry over to the new battlecruisers with the final gift to the tauri by the asgard their weapons and all their knowledge. I admit that I was sad when the asgard died. In that moment, the humans of earth truly became the FIFTH RACE.
@@adamdubin1276 let's not jump the gun out of nostalgia too much, it's a bit silly Earth becomes a primary power not only in 1 galaxy but 2 and no one on the planet itself even knows about it. It's the reason why although loving SG-1, I couldn't help but to feel let down by it. My impression while watching SG-1 was that they *wanted* to disclose the truth to the population and further develop the story and take it to a new direction, but the budget would need to go up and/or the higher ups wanted it to play safe. So they kept creating episodes coming up with new silly excuses on why no civie could see all the warfare and space activity going on.
That was one thing I liked about stargate. You could see it always background as they find new tech and experiment with Earth made versions. It really felt like this was an achievement of the characters and not just something that came out of nowhere
2 Stargate episodes this week; well as they say, "Comtrya!". The BC-304 Daedalus class is indeed a powerful utilitarian, but also beautiful ship. The product of great triumphs and sacrifices, the class are the "big sticks" that are needed to bring Earth and Humanity into Galactic preeminence. It would be great to see more of these ships on a screen again and see how long until one of them is finally named _Enterprise_ like Jack O'Neill wanted.
Yeah... I never really liked the story behind that world, tbh... it's like "Welp, we just did the best case scenario after humans split the atom..." "Yeah... hey, let's build a bunch of ambulatory dioramas of ourselves and _only transfer our generation_ into them. _that'll_ last any longer than _anything_ we've ever had..."
Possibly the best looking human ship in all of Sci-Fi and incredibly cool aspect of it being by far being the most advanced and powerful ship in two galaxies by the end of both series
Atlantis is technically a ship. I'd still give it the edge over the Daedalus in terms of how advanced it is, though obviously they're rarely able to use it at it's full capacity since that would demolish all tension in the plot.
@@warrenreid6109 best looking is subjective but I can't deny given its size and capabilites being a battle Carrier Hybrid in compact ship design makes it very very flexible and thats such an asset from a military point of view.
One sexy design! The twin fighter/shuttle bays give it that winged look, while the front projection looks like it is the bridge and also missile spaces. My only minor gripe is the "office building" syndrome of the structure on top and off-center of the main mass of the ship. But at least they do cover how the ship can be run from other locations than the command deck.
It is, although imo, the best looking ships come from B5, starfurry is the best looking sci fi ship ever designed. And I would say the warlock class destroyer is a good second.
One feat of those Asgard designed shields that stands out to me is when the Daedalus (with a ZPM installed) frontally tanked the full force of a coronal mass ejection from Lantea's Main Sequence Star- preventing said CME from annihilating the planet Atlantis was on.
@@hulmhochberg8129 Notice in the first Ori incursion battle at the supergate, the Earth ships are the ONLY ships that could tank a blast from the Ori ships
@@mxn1948 Its the same shielding, just the native Asgard generators could match ZPM levels of power for short time. Beliskner itself housed 4 neutrino ion generators. (Supposedly those work by stabilizing naquadriah using neutrino field... forcing it to behave predictably.) which in total could output 4 billion kilojoules per milisecond... akka Asgard had 4 PettaWatt power avaiable... on virtually every ship...
@@Paerigos It was an old class so maybe the O'neil have a stronger output . Beside i kind of hate the SG production and scenarist when they put such number without understanding what they are throwing . An example we know in space , nuclear explosion are reduced in half in term of power . The Goa'uld buster was put to 1 GT yet when those nuke impacted , we do have a EMP happening . Those EMP proved the nuclear reaction did happen . So either Ha'tak have tanked 500 MT or maybe less but the energy released was enough to wipe out cities with no problem . Now the BC-304 have less advanced reactor than the Asgard but that doesn't mean those energy shield generator are rated from the power output . The reactor send energy to some high energy capacitor that store it and then send those energy to the system that would charge .
One feature of Daedalus is the ship is operating at barely a fraction of its potential. The Asgard systems are far more potent than earth can provide power to exploit. When fitted with a ZPM their abilities become remarkable, even by spacefaring races standards. Future designs may provide more power and thus achieve greater performance but the systems themselves wouldn’t have to be more advanced.
Given that the Asgard final upgrades include a power core roughly equal to a ZPM, it is likely that they will solve this problem at some point, although afaik the power core isn't something they seem to have been able to replicate by the end of the series.
It's also neat how the Asgard tech is integrated smoothly. There's no glitchy bugs from incompatible electrical systems or complicated startup procedures. It all runs smoothly, reliably and consistently. I think the Asgard civilization's greatest achievement was creating bug/glitch-free technology.
@@thebighurt2495 Yeah if only they could've survived to influence Earths tech firms. I mean can you imagine a windows or apple product WITHOUT bugs or glitches?
@@catwhowalksbyhimself The core couldnt match ZPM... ZPM is in essence a bottled star. Its just a battery. Asgard generaly prefered using Neutrion Ion generators - which are essentialy naguadriah reactors where the mostrosity is stabilized by neutrino fields. the cores power was limited to its fuel, it wasnt much but it was still just a computer.
The last ship of this class was named after a little round, bald man from Texas, who spent the last years of his life playing with his grandkids and defending his planet and his command. Hail, Hammond Of Texas!
For anyone one interested, Eaglemoss just recently released a model of the Daedalus. I just got mine a month ago. Shes sitting on my desk as i watch this episode. Thank you Templin Institute for covering everything Stargate. It always makes me happy to see anything Stargate in my sub box.
Well we all knew you were lucky bastard already but this is just ridiculous. Ive been trying to get one since Christmas. Daedalus models collector, Stargate user name and an F14 profile pic, I love it when I meet ppl with the exact same likes as me. Tell me what are your views on P90s, A10s, the og Robocop and "that fucking gun", road and race cars and bikes?
The weapon systems on launch were pretty awfully thought out. No layered defense systems. For example intermediate range vls missiles for anti fighter engagements. The rail guns should be the last line. No capital grade weapons except nukes. If you can design a small rail gun, you can make a large one. Not enough 302's to be worth while.
@@tomtimtomtim Definitely, even after they got their upgrades, they may be exteremly powerful - especially when they are equipped with a ZPM - but they still don't have that layered defense, instead they relay on a powerful shield and Asgard Beam Weapon Combo to win their fights. Unless I am remembering wrong they used the 304's VLS Missiles for anti-capital, along with their Railguns and leaving their 302s as their main anti-fighter element. I also completely agree, not enought 302s, especially with their limited armament.
Your sci-fi tech spotlights are unique in a way that they pretty much explain everything about the tech itself without spoiling the entire story for anyone who hasn't seen it yet. That makes these videos perfect teasers.
@thecountermen01 Why would it? They are shots entirely out of context. I can't tell which shot is from which episode, and I can quote more contiguous lines of dialogue from SGA than my own damn novel I'm writing.
@@dominic.h.3363 As an avid fan of the series with many a rewatch under my belt, I could tell you just about every single one of those episodes. The title, the season and episode numbers. Even the vessel in question that we were looking at. But for a SG newbie they wouldn't spoil it, just whet the appetite for what is to come if they settle in and watch the series from the beginning. Seeing us go from tiny figures staring up at pyramid sized starships with MP5s to the dominate military space force in the galaxy who can tank any encounter with a single ship and own any enemy if we brought the whole fleet to bear.
Stargate, master class in how to build a ship. Everything is sourced though the episodes before it built. Non of the upgrades are treated as golden eggs, need to work for those new toys. And it looks like something earth would build. A reboot/off shoot of stargate is a dream i hope will come true
I hope a reboot or spinoff won't happen, honestly. Better to have the reminder of a good show than leave it tarnished with garbage modern shows usually are
BC-304's are actually one of the fastest and most powerful ships in any franchise. 2 weeks to travel between galaxies is unheard of and the ability to be anywhere in the milkyway in just a few hours shocks even species in stargate. Fully powered its shields can tank planet destroying mass coronal ejections. Something we see ships in other series fall to, and even then the shields can be depleted by some of the most advanced races weapons like the ori, however its beam cannons can overload and punch threw ori shields as well... putting its output potential at insane levels.
Asgard Warships can do it under half an hour, going from one edge of galaxy to another is issue of minutes... But there is cost - such speed will likely fry the hyperdrives. (as Hermiod pointed out when speeding X304) as you need lot of power to mitigate some stress feedback on the drive. Which isnt a problem if you can have spare parts or just synthesize them on the ship. So risk is worth it. Regular asgard cruise speed seems to be about the ZPM equiped 304.
Most of what you said are rare occasions. 1. Most civilizations the SGC encountered were pre-indistrual. Of course they'd be shocked to hear of a galaxy-travelling spaceship. 2. The 304 covers Milky way to Pegasus in 18 days. An O'Neill class did that in 2 days. 3. The CME episode happened because the Daedalus used Atlantis' only ZPM at the time, to power its shields. Even then, heat bleedthrough was noted as airlocks were blown out. 4. The Asgard plasma beams were Asgard, not human. Before that, reference the Korolev for how 304s fared against Ori Motherships(2 to 4 shots at best). The Odyssey got stl shut down by the first shot.
@@armni4619 Ok, i said "Franchise" i was comparing the ship to other franchises. Its one of the fastest in any franchise... with speeds that even star wars cant meet. With shields and firepower that are above other franchises... while the ship had bleed through and suffered damage.. what would happen to a klingon ship that took that blast? what would happen to a star destroyer? hence franchise, i wasn't saying just in stargate there :)
@@jenniferstewarts4851 I know. But you are using outliers and special circumstances for that. For the CME, you are comparing an up-powered 304 against a standard bird of prey. See the problem? If you wanted, you could have done the CME Daedalus vs Q-powered enterprise- D for fairness. On speed, there are franchises that rank higher than SG. Halo's forerunners, xeelee, star wars Acclamator class transport(0.6 hyperdrive class), the expanse ring system. Don't encompass everything if you don't know everything. The 304 is fast and powerful in its franchise. That's enough.
I think these ships are like the perfect sci-fi blend of actual Frontline combat ship/brawler and carrier that stays back at range and pecks away with missiles and railguns. There's also no denying their silhouette is unmistakable; nothing else in Sci-fi looks like them. I can't wait to see another Stargate show if the rumours are indeed true, and I hope a Daedalus is in it.
@@Shinzon23 Well, the primary weapon of the Daedelus *was* missiles and fighters up until they got the Plasma beans. I think it was designed as a Battlestar and has been forced into a brawler role by circumstances.
@@thebighurt2495 well, she always could, as the class has had the Asgard Core and the enhanced shields from the get go, it's just that the weapons before the Plasma Beams were all best suited for long range attacks, as missiles and railguns in close combat usually isn't the best usage of their capabilities.
The closest ships by how the design feels is Halo's humanity. And even then you will not mistake one for another. There are occasional ships from other series that have a similar feel to their design but the 304 truly is very unique in how it feels. Please note I am referring to pre 2553 UNSC ships as having a similar feel design wise. The ones from after really feel a lot different.
yeah the odyssey should permanently be parked in Earth orbit unless a desperate situation arises, it's insane to risk the Asgard computer core on normal missions, the wealth of knowledge is FAR more valuable than any tactical advantage it provides.
@@anidiot2284 do you really think the massive amounts of data can fit on earth even with crystal tech, the data core had the complete repository of knowledge the Asgard ever accumulated(which included the ancients) And I highly doubt the interactive intuitive AI based on the accumulated minds of the best Asgard scientists could function on Earth tech. It's like trying to run the internet on computers from the 80's it not gonna happen.
The thing I love about the Daedalus class (and the Prometheus) is that they don't feel futuristic. You really get the sensation that we took a few pieces of alien technology and built a ship around them using mostly early 21st century human technology. The displays are mostly LCDs, the pilots use modern flight helmets, and the crews are wearing Air Force BDUs.
Goddamn y'all do a masterful job presenting what is normally simply dry information as an actual lecture worthy of praise. That last set of shots combined with the wonderfully warm narration sparked a conflagration of nostalgia from enjoying those very scenes as a kid/teenager with my mom.
"This is the Daedalus. It is the most powerful weapon ever built by mankind." "Psh. Back in MY day, you know what we had? Submachine guns! We didn't even get ACTUAL machine guns, because we had to run everywhere! If we didn't, we would get KILLED INSTANTLY!" "Yeah, okay grandpa..." "GRANDPA!?! This was, like, eight years ago TOPS!" "..."
"It has a few advantages over the Prometheus. The more advanced alien technologies were integrated into the original design rather than tacked on after the fact." -- Samantha Carter
Stargate did it right. By the time we saw even the Prometheus, it felt earned. The SGC and its allies had been through hell, and lost a whole heck of a lot, but had also brought back quite a bit of advanced technology. They forged a close alliance with the advanced Asgard, with both calling on each other several times to save their respective asses, so when, in the season 7 finale, when it became evident that Earth was finally capable of putting up a fight (although the drones helped a lot), it felt like they have finally achieved the Standing Orders of the SGC: Obtain technologies to protect Earth from the Goa'uld and other unknown threats. The 304s made season 8-10 much more versatile, but again, it 1. Was still based around the Stargate, and 2. Felt like a natural progression of the series.
@@williamhumes7332 Personally I think it was all downhill after the movie. But the movie set such a high standard, there was a lot of quality hill to slide down.
@@jtjames79 Are you seriously saying the original movie is the best? I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you are in the minority there mate hahaha.
What I love is that the SGC starts with the Prometheus, which really looks like humanity's first attempt at a space battle cruiser. But the Daedalus is properly an evolution of that, it still looks like a human-built ship, but more considered.
I fell in love the first time I saw the 304. I never quite warmed up to the 303. It seemed too slapdash to me. Just thrown together like one of my Lego ships I made when I was a kid. The 304 actually looks purpose-built to be a badass.
I believe that was exactly the point, at the time of the 303 the Tau'ri didnt have much experience in space ship design and construction and it really showed. By comparison the 304s are finely honed machines that clearly tell "Lessons Learned" to anyone who looks at them. ^^
The 303 was exactly that. A hodgepodge of parts and technologies from all over the galaxy thrown into a human built shell. The fact that the 304 was developed just a few years after and no other 303 was built showed that it was obsolete before stepping off the launchpad and everyone involved in the program knew it.
The tau'ri definitely earned it. The friendship they made, the hard work and dedication, all of it has led to the earth from being just some planet with nukes, to a planet respectable enough to have the Asgard leave them their collective knowledge. What a leap.
An amazing video for an equally amazing ship design. I love that you are using the "true" dimensions of the ship instead of the "wrong" dimensions found in the DVD Collection Insert. Every other video out there that explore this ship and its preceding Prometheus Class use those wrong dimensions. So thanks for that! Though my only real complain is that you use the Battlecruiser designation for the design instead of its Deep Space Carrier designation used in other sources. Still I am all that bent out of shape for that as it is termed both as Deep Space Carrier and as a Battlecruiser in the show. So Templin Institute thanks for the great video! And keeping it coming with the Stargate Content.
I think it'd be cool that in the future, Earth would supplement their BC fleet with other, cheaper classes. Like destroyers, make them half the size without the hangers but give it plenty of firepower. They wouldn't be as versatile but they'd be easier to produce and can act as escorts of the BC's or be patrol ships.
Yeah, smaller ships dedicated to that would be cool, but knowing the US, they would also build something 3 times the size and pack as many F-302 into as they can!
@@TemplinInstitute Every other scifi youtube: tHiS iS tHe CaNoN sIzE! The Templin Institute: Fine, I'll do it myself. Seriously, I cannot thank you enough!!
@@TemplinInstitute Yes, thank you, now if only you can convince Spacedock to do the same. All hail The Templin Institute, and we bow before your awesomeness.
"best space battles' has to go to the Expanse, because their entire mode of combat and physics is the most realistic ever depicted, with the most dramatic, razor-edge outcomes.
@@EclecticFruit yeah but you're comparing a 90's scifi to a modern scifi, also no-one mentioned the Expanse. I didn't say Stargate had the best, so your need to assert the Expanse as "best space battles" is a waste of time and effort. I don't compare the effects of scifi shows split by several decades, I compare the narrative.... and Stargate had a better story ;)
I loved how Stargate showed a slow, methodical buildup between "oh god, we are ants, and we just poked a giant" to "we are one of, if not the, biggest galactic power." You could track each technology, each major development, through the series. While the time tables and balance seemed a bit off (really, earth makes a few ships, and is now "rivalling" an empire that consists of hundreds, if not thousands of planets?) it was still neat to see that progression. My only complaint was that while they showed a massive developmental change when it comes to the "space forces," hardly anything changed throughout the entire series when it comes to the ground forces. The absolute pinnacle of this issue was the P-90s. You are telling me that, over the course of the show, humanity's knowledge of advanced spacefaring technology progressed by hundreds, if not thousands, of years, and not one of those new principles could be applied to the infantry equipment? After this incredible scientific leap forwards, the "cutting edge" weapon was developed before humanity had even made first contact? The show's lore tries to explain it as "the advanced alien technology is only designed to fight other advanced technology, so it can't defend against humanity's primitive technology." That's a really cool concept, I like it, but surely the "advanced alien technology" could be incorporated somehow, right? They could have made a custom gun, that still uses "conventional" technology, but is made with advanced materials, or used that insane computer power and energy-dense batteries to create advanced portable gear. It would have been so cool to see the infantry kit slowly being replaced with sci-fi gear, but instead they are using the technological equivalent of a musket as their "latest and greatest."
Against Jaffas all they needed was AP ammo to get through body armour. Replicators were known to adapt to anything energy based in matter of few casualities like Borgs do. Kinetic energy was only energy their main forces had no counter to. Humanoid replicators were whole another story and were b*/ch to deal with, but there were only few of them in Milky Way. In Pegasus they were diffrent story, but eventualy even they adapted to Antic's design and Tau'ri versions of that design. Against Anubis's super soldiers SGC eventualy resorted to energy weapons added as an attachments to P-90s. Ori soldiers weren't any better than Jaffas and priors got countered by Anti-Prior Devices functioning as force jammers. Wraiths were same story as Jaffas. The main reason why P-90 and IRL weapons stayed to the end was they were fun to use. With energy weapons actors could only make pew-pew-pew with their mouths, but IRL weapons could at least fire blanks.
Such an iconic ship, and infinitely more beautiful than the Prometheus. The 303 did it's name proud and brought us fire, but Daedalus perfected it, and truly gave humanity wings. Hardest thing about the fan fic I'm writing is figuring how to make sure Earth still makes these magnificent pieces of art with the handful of changes I've made. The Milky Way just wouldn't feel right without these ships patrolling between her stars.
@@aedanbranson It is a crossover fic set in an alternate reality. It focuses on Harry Potter and his friends stumbling on the Glastonbury Cave (with a slight twist) about a year after the war and exploring out from there. I've posted 18 chapters so far on FFN and AO3 with another 10 prewritten as well. Hence the name: Harry Headlines at Glastonbury. The first two 'books' are mostly them completing the Tor Mission, but book three will deal with them going out into the galaxy and interacting with the Asgard, SGC and the Goa'uld. It's quite hard writing for two fandoms at the same time as I have to provide a lot of exposition from both sides to ensure anyone who is only a fan of one fandom understands what is going on from both perspectives. And it becomes so easy to make huge tidal waves in the reality with small actions. Hence why I had to give serious thought to how to ensure humanity still makes the 304s. The SGC are still out there doing their thing, saving the world. But the story does focus mostly on the HP characters, as that is where my fanfiction writing experience currently lies. So not sure how much pure stargate fans will like it compared to HP fans.
@@tyrannicpuppy Although it sounds interesting I don't know if I'll ever read it. I like crossovers that focuses on universes that mesh together naturally due to elements from both of their canon aligning. For example the magic in Harry Potter can easily be explained as neural energy in the Halo universe, thus making those franchises very compatible for a crossovers. Which is unfortunately not the case for Star Gate where most writers either say that it's just magic which messes with Star Gate canon too much, or that it's some quirk of assention.
@@aedanbranson Which is perfectly fine. I write for myself, so even if everyone else hates it at the end of the day I've still pleased me, lol. I personally find the worlds mesh pretty well. The timeline meshes really nicely with HP wrapping up in the first year or two of the SGC. Both involve worlds that are actively hidden from the general populace, explaining why neither are seen from the others perspective in their canons. And the magic is easily explained as similar to the evolutionary talents the Ancients exhibited as they neared ascension. But evolution doesn't just do the same trick twice, so the second time around it becomes magic instead. After all, it's not like strange mental powers are unheard of in SG canon. The Nox for one, and anyone altered to an advanced evolutionary state gets all kinds of freaky mind powers. The only one I've seen used to explain magic in SG that messes with the canon is the idea that magic is the result of the ATA genes. If that is the case, why is Jack in the military and not a wizard? But yeah, if people read it, good. If they don't great. I just like to share the crazy ideas I write out, otherwise they feel kinda wasted just filling up google doc after google doc. lol.
The greatest Sci-fi ship and franchise. The 304 looks so cool and is such a bad ass. The shot of the horizon deployment through to its successful launch of its individual warheads is one of my favourite scenes in all of sci-fi.
One of my favorite sci-fi series, been a fan from the orginal movie as a kid. A well done video and truly makes you appreciate everything SG teams went through to make these ships possible.
The daedalus class battlecruiser.....quite possibly one of the most magnificent ships ever designed in all of scifi. Not only because it looks amazing and has amazing and powerful technology, but also because 10 years of stargate episodes slowly culminated in this crowning achievement brought about by hard work, perseverance and fantastic diplomatic relationships that can be traced back through the entire series. Truly one of the best, if not the best scifi series of all time.
In my youth, the amount of time I spent arguing on the gateworld forums about this ship, like where the bridge is, it's size, or it's actual designation(BC/DSC) is staggering. The truth is, you can't really determine anything about it, as there is contradicting on-screen evidence for all of these. It goes from 300m to 600+, there are shots where the bridge is on the neck in the middle, and some times in the tower, and its designation was sometimes a battlecruiser, but the apollo was a deep space carrier on it's plaque. Oh those were the days!
Wasn't the Apollo designated a Deep Space Carrier because of the fact it was built to operate in the Pegasus Galaxy while those with the Battlecruiser Designation were built to operate in the Milky Way Galaxy. Also I am 90% sure the Tower is the Air Traffic Control for the Fight Groups.
You can calculate the ship's size from the bridge set. Or use the source 3D assets. Size is around 650~730m depending on how you size the bridge and if you count the antenna. Biggest hints it's not 300 is that the physical practical F-302's would be unable to even enter the hanger.
@@SoulAssassino I am talking the raw 3D file. The only thing they change on it is scale when they make an episode. Bit the proportions all remain the same.
Always wondered how powerful SG Earth would be if the Stargate program was not secret. I mean if the SGC alone can produce multiple spaceships then what could be accomplished if the full might of Earth's industries had been available without the bottlenecks and delays caused by secrecy?
That's the next logical step in the Stargate: reveal everything to the world. Within a decade or two, there would be shipyards all over the world, building everything from small civilian ships to colony ships to warships of various sizes. The Tau'ri (assuming they didn't splinter and society didn't collapse) would very quickly amass a fleet larger than that of the Jaffa or even the Wraith.
@@Cailus3542 True it does seem that way alright. The danger is like you you save splintering and social disruption from disclosure of the SGC. However, I think while there would be enormous societal shock that might take years to die down, the greater danger is probably the splintering. Sure there was the IOA in Stargate but even then the large nations struck out to build/demand ships themselves almost immediately. Other nations will demand the right to build and use their own spaceships for military and civilian purposes and not all of those nations will be friendly to the United States. Heck, with access to the gate network or FTL ships there is nothing to stop various fringe groups/individuals/nations setting off into galaxy and taking over the poor former slave worlds of the goauld and become tyrants themselves and in time possible rivals to the Earth based powers.
@@Arclight104 only the large nations would benefit...essentially that means UNSC P5. the us only involved russia and china because they needed them for something(for example, the russian gate). the other nations would have exactly zero leverage to force the larger nations to share any tech or access to FTL or even the gate itself. i mean, what are they going to do? fight them? and by this point the UNSC P5 nations dont need anything from the rest of earth, they dont need your industry or labor or land or resources. tensions on earth between the larger nations would wane initially. afterall there are countless free real estate and resources out there to take, why bother over little islands or fishing zones at home? go out colonize and mine entire worlds. in 50 years the us/eu/russia/china would be operating multi-thousand follow on designs each, at which point the biggest threat is themselves and we get a new cold war but in space .
"...with even multiple ships outclassed by a single 304." Thats music in my ears! I love this ship and i think its the best looking and well thought of vessel in scifi history. Compact, well equipped and god these shots of her flying near the camera are breathtaking! I love how you came around at the end that without the work of the stargate command over the span of the last decade this ship couldnt be possible. awesome video!
This was a fantastic tribute to one of the most thoughtfully constructed starships in televised science fiction. Now I need to go and watch Stargate Atlantis again!
Beyond anything else the Daedalus represents the greatest accomplishment of interservice politics, keeping a "warship" under their command. The navy must be pissed
Doesn't the navy have more fighters than the Air Force? And I heard the Army has more boats than the Navy. Although that's probably counting row boats 🤣
A beautiful tribute to one of the best sci-fi designs out there. SG needs a reboot, though the state of reboots and adaptations today makes me cautious for such a thing.
@@lordcola-3324 I have a dream that one day they'll have a sequel series, focusing on the reveal of the Stargate program and its impact on galactic civilization. It'd be really hard to do right, but boy would it be cool!
@@TemplinInstitute it was the official number for a long time but then someone pointed out to one of the producers that didn't work with how it's depicted on screen so they changed it. Or at least that's how the producers recount the change.
@@TemplinInstitute from the posts Joseph mellozzi has been putting up on the stargate reddit I think the magazines took the lengths from certain scale pictures and just took them at face value as thee model(s) length. There was one put up of the Prometheus and it was put at 110m long in the scale drawing. But the tv model with the reffit hangers etc is 550m.
This is why I loved Stargate. Can you imagine having a season 1 character like Sam or Jack, and taking them to the end of the series of the last season, just how mind fucked they'd be with everything they are about to achieve, especially with the Daedalus class ships! Just how much they progressed is mind boggling, but it makes sense on the journey as every technology is gained one way or the other, showed in episodes. Every advancement is explained through multiple story arcs and met races and alliances. Through multiple trails and fails, learning from mistakes. The last season felt nothing like the first, second or third. I miss Stargate... Great video, I've always loved the way the 304 looked. It's up there in my top five sci-fi ships. Along with Voyager from Star Trek. Moya from Farscape and Normandy SR2 from Mass Effect. And a few others I can't recall the names off. (it's been a while since I thought of it.) It's great to recap on the ships every now and then and feel such nostalgia.
Love these. They way they were the result season by season of Sta4Gate command getting hold of tech, failing/succeeding. Like one episode where other nations want more influence over StarGate and a Russian Rep pulls aside the Chinese one argu8ng that the US is not only making itself the biggest target, but investing staggering amount trying to make all this tech work, spending tens of billions on a naquadria star drive alone, with no guarantee it will ever work. Then finally the 304s. Big brick like beasts that scream power. A pair of small inner hangers, and the outer pair of bigger hangers for 302 class fighters. Very iconic, but not looking like anyone designed any of it for its look. They look like what you’ld really think the military would develop, and in lore just built up so it could go toe to toe with anything they’ld ever seen.
Off topic but I absolutely love that style of showing ships and battles in sci fi at 9:10. No cutting around so it feels like each ship exists in its own pocket dimension, panning and zooming to help with a sense of size, scale, and distance. Reminds me of BSG
A neat detail is how the Prometheus and Daedulus class are commanded by Colonels. This is neat because a USAF Colonel is at the same rank grade as a USN Captain. In other words, they're using the *equivalent* of a Navy Captain to command the ships.
@@sodadrinker89 US aircraft carrier commander officers are still O-6 captains. In fact the CO and XO are both O-6. Fun fact all US super carriers are captained by naval aviators. The admiral is on the carrier because those ships are designed to be flagships and have extra space to accommodate the admiral's staff. The admiral on board would actually be in charge of all the ships that sail together with the carrier, the carrier strike group.
0:14 I should note that the class is technically a “battlecarrier” since it possesses significant aerospace combat craft, and the facilities to support their operations, in addition to its ship-to-ship weaponry.
the perfect fusion of hyper advanced tech from our Asgardian friends and the practical no nonsense designee elements common to human design philosophy. its my second favorite battlecruiser right behind the starcraft battle cruiser. i love it!
What a fearsome little (compared to others in the SG universe) ship the Daedalus is, not to mention one with a great military-industrial look that still feels familiar and even homey, a bit like an aircraft carrier in space. A top notch design for a sci-fi vessel!
Coming back to this again. I always find it funny how hilariously OP the BC-304 is in the annals of Sci-Fi, I’m almost sure it would destroy most universes main ships with ease
I would say Stargate is one of the best shows when it came to world building for science-fiction they did a better job of it than Star Trek I also love their ships that they made for earth they’re one of the best designs I’ve seen that seem like a giant aircraft carrier in space. And we don’t start with overpowered weapons every advancement in the show could be traced back to a previous episode which was perfect I kinda hope one day we might get a continuation of the universe but hopefully if they do they do it right
Agreed, you can probably trace the lineage of every bit of technology being developed or acquired in the Daedalus into a stargate episode, you see it being built
As ardent fan of Star Trek - I agree. Large portion to it is not sticking to episode-centric structure but to well thought out story arc. In any case it was very, very well done.
These 6 ships sound like do-everything battlecarriers. In Star Wars terms, they're dreadnoughts like SSD Executor or Supremacy in all but size. Thrawn's trademark would using a bunch of the obsolete predecessor ships in some clever way to nullify one of these superships.
I hope its a smaller support ship or maybe logistic supply ship, having a bunch of battlecruisers responsible for transporting supplies and such seems impractical and a waste of resources
I only have two notes. 1. The hyperdrive of the Prometheus was first made of salvaged Gould tech yes. But a few years before the Atlantis expedition the Asgard installed a Asgard one. And later on the Daedalus always had the Asgard drive since its first mission was to back up the Atlantis team in another galaxy. The ship could not have gotten there with a Gould hyperdrive. 2 While we saw the last ship made was the Hammond, it could not have been the last ship of the fleet. By now in 2022 the SGC would have had at 13 more ships. As it was said it took about a year to build one. Also after the Asgard gave Earth all its modern tech that would speed up things. The tech would have allowed Earth to just use raw materials and create the components of the ships instead of building them by hand. All they had to do was scan a ship and could produce copies of sections of the ships. And with all the IOA countries wanting ships Home World Command would have a large feet by now.
@@Paerigos yes but it was sounding like they use the ZPM willy nilly on these ships and that is not true since the time the show ended they still couldn't make them. now with the Atlantis databanks and it now safe on earth they might in time.
When I saw that Templin Institute was doing a video on one of my FAVORITE ships, I had to drop everything and watch/like! Thank you very much! If I may to suggest some of the ships from The Expanse for future content endeavors? :D
Well done. I always loved the Daedalus class ship and as a long-time fan of Stargate SGI & Atlantis, I can still remember when the Daedalus took flight and thought to myself how awesome it was that Earth now had our own space-capable battlecruiser. This is when I felt Stargate as a series and the promises of the Stargate technology hit their stride. I wished the Daedalus Battlecruisers got more screen time. Just reminds me I have to re-watch the series. Much rather re-watch this, than the modern garbage they pass on as sci-fi.
Y’all forgot to mention that the new superstructure on the George Hammond made it more resistant to battle damage and had larger, more powerful rail guns
2:24 Before I finish watching this video, I just wanted to thank you guys for using the cg model measurements instead of some of the other sources that mess up the scaling of this and other ships!
3 million light years in just over 2 weeks. It can pretty much cross the milky way galaxy in roughly half a day. A trip to Proxima Centauri is only a fraction of a second. Imagine having technology like that.
Asgard towed prometheus 130 lightyears to Earth in blink of an Eye before O´neill finished a sentence. literaly 2 seconds while being slow because of extended hyperspace field around the puny "frigate" compared to Thors O´neill in unnatural selection.
I do like how in SG1 it's just exploration with a few teams using the network by the end you not only have the a fleet of starships but the entire ancient city of Atlantis in secret on Earth. If only SGU didn't end on a cliffhanger, imagine the kind of concepts for ships they could've made if they got THAT ship back to Stargate command
Well Destiny would be that more advance then all the Deadalus bc's with Asgard tech. You need to consider Ancients were long gone whereas Asgard kept on developing their tech till their mass suicide in season 10. I don't think Destiny would bring any "more advance" tech back to Earth.
@@Vilfy True but I imagine it more like having Atlantis too, instead of having to build something from scratch if you could bring it to a 'safe zone' under your control you could retrofit it faster than building a another one.
@@Vilfy True. Factor this in though: it would be Humanity's first Hiveship. Reverse-engineer that thing, then strap Asgard tech into it? There is literally no force in the universe that could threaten us ever again. It would be our Infinity.
When they mentioned the daedalus class battlecruiser being smaller sue to nor having unnecessary ceremonial and/or baroque features, my first thought was, damn you didn't have to do 40k dirty like that. But, then I was like, you right, tho.
Definitely the quintessential symbol of the Tau'ri's rise to galactic prominence. Now to wait for Arsenal videos on the Stargates and other ships of the Stargate mythos...
Im actually kinda emotional and really pumped seeing the SG ships history summed up, how they went from pee shooter skiffs used more for escape then assault, too kickass hard hitters that could take on everything thrown at it. I grew up with SG1 and they very much so earned their ships and tech. 👏👏👏👏👏
The magazine sizes for these ships were wrong because im guessing the magazine published scale pictures without context. Artists make different scale drawings for the models and the magazines have taken the ones they had as the default sizes. One of the artists put up a scale picture on the reddit of the prometheus and it was scaled at 110m, but that is not the default model size of 550m with its 302 bays. Same for the Daedalus. But as for the ships themselves? Forget about the shields and plasma lances. Take any unshielded ship of similar size or bigger, and these ships still slay. Let's take a stalwart class frigate, or halbert class destroyer. Now while their main macs will cause real damage (not as much as people think since autumn classes can take multiple mac rounds.) and you have to be straight on. their secondary weapons are not in the same league as the rail guns on the sg vessels. Those rail guns were designed by the asgard, a detail people are constantly missing. Rail guns designed to help fight against shielded ships. So for perspective. A hatak can tank a gigaton in nuclear ordinance at least, and its shields are still intact, covenant cruiser can at max take two 30 megaton shevas before being destroyed. And then there are their hulls. Both halo ships utilise titanium a armour hulls. Titanium is denser and lighter than steel and almost as strong. And titanium a makes it suited for armour use. The hulls on the SG ships are a naquadah trinium alloy. Naquadah is denser than titanium and has amazing energy properties, and trinium is 100 times lighter than steel yet much stronger. An trinium arrow fired from a wooden bow went straight through bullet proof glass at the sgc. Those hulls are more than capable of taking punishment. And there is the manoeuvrability of the SG ships,. The 304s especially. In a battle against unshielded ships, one to two times their size I'd be picking these ships as well.
Also. One of these ships... The Odyssey is also a shine to the memory and knowledge of the Asgard themselves. Lets remember those who came this way before and did not return from the howling dark...
It would be cool to see a series where these cruisers are flanked by dedicated F-302 carriers, battleships and small support ships. I'd be down for that.
Stargate the Movie was the first movie my brother, father and myself watched in our new house in 96 and since that moment has been one of my favorite Sci fi series I am literally typing this as I watch SG Universe
I love how in stargate, Earth goes from an insignificant backwater to the primary power in the galaxy and at no point does it jump the gun and go too far. Every advance is covered in at least one episode, every technology can have its source identified, at no point does earth in stargate just have new tech just... because. It all has an origin abd I love that about it.
Stargate was an excellent example of worldbuilding, everything just fit together perfectly.
A brilliant example of what 10 seasons can build.
Rainman I totally agree.
It was a practical slow progression.
From Gould shields and engines on the promethesus and rail guns and missiles
Would then be given asgard shields and engines.
This would carry over to the new battlecruisers with the final gift to the tauri by the asgard their weapons and all their knowledge.
I admit that I was sad when the asgard died.
In that moment, the humans of earth truly became the FIFTH RACE.
No... Earth remains a backwater, overheating wad of shit, as always with """Humanity"""...
_The SGC_ becomes _a_ primary galactic power, _if barely._
@@adamdubin1276 let's not jump the gun out of nostalgia too much, it's a bit silly Earth becomes a primary power not only in 1 galaxy but 2 and no one on the planet itself even knows about it. It's the reason why although loving SG-1, I couldn't help but to feel let down by it.
My impression while watching SG-1 was that they *wanted* to disclose the truth to the population and further develop the story and take it to a new direction, but the budget would need to go up and/or the higher ups wanted it to play safe. So they kept creating episodes coming up with new silly excuses on why no civie could see all the warfare and space activity going on.
Daedalus Class and the whole SG-1/SGA era was Sci-fi TV in its prime. The Daedalus class felt Earned by the Tau’ri
That was one thing I liked about stargate. You could see it always background as they find new tech and experiment with Earth made versions. It really felt like this was an achievement of the characters and not just something that came out of nowhere
Indeed!
Agreed!
2 Stargate episodes this week; well as they say, "Comtrya!".
The BC-304 Daedalus class is indeed a powerful utilitarian, but also beautiful ship. The product of great triumphs and sacrifices, the class are the "big sticks" that are needed to bring Earth and Humanity into Galactic preeminence. It would be great to see more of these ships on a screen again and see how long until one of them is finally named _Enterprise_ like Jack O'Neill wanted.
Yeah... I never really liked the story behind that world, tbh... it's like
"Welp, we just did the best case scenario after humans split the atom..."
"Yeah... hey, let's build a bunch of ambulatory dioramas of ourselves and _only transfer our generation_ into them. _that'll_ last any longer than _anything_ we've ever had..."
The US always needs an Enterprise!
I certainly appreciate it. Hopefully this garners more interest in the potential fourth series Brad Wright is working on
@@Kez_DXX *third.
Or fourth if you're going to be stupid enough to count _Infinity,_ as well as Universe...
@@seand.g423 Not only did you break the unspoken rule of bringing attention to the thing, you went a step further and mentioned it by name.
Possibly the best looking human ship in all of Sci-Fi and incredibly cool aspect of it being by far being the most advanced and powerful ship in two galaxies by the end of both series
Great how individual technologies acquired over the course of the whole came together to make this ship.
I agree you see mock ups on some self publish books and independent films
Love how they look, and handle in battle as space aircraft carriers!
It looks realistic like something we'd actually build.
Atlantis is technically a ship. I'd still give it the edge over the Daedalus in terms of how advanced it is, though obviously they're rarely able to use it at it's full capacity since that would demolish all tension in the plot.
Are you on something? It is nowhere near the best looking ship in sci fi.
She's compact and to the point, and in my opinion one of the best looking sci-fi ships in science fiction history.
I wouldn't go that far but I get what you're saying.
@@warrenreid6109 best looking is subjective but I can't deny given its size and capabilites being a battle Carrier Hybrid in compact ship design makes it very very flexible and thats such an asset from a military point of view.
One sexy design!
The twin fighter/shuttle bays give it that winged look, while the front projection looks like it is the bridge and also missile spaces.
My only minor gripe is the "office building" syndrome of the structure on top and off-center of the main mass of the ship.
But at least they do cover how the ship can be run from other locations than the command deck.
It is, although imo, the best looking ships come from B5, starfurry is the best looking sci fi ship ever designed. And I would say the warlock class destroyer is a good second.
It’s also one of the most structurally sound designs for actual space travel
One feat of those Asgard designed shields that stands out to me is when the Daedalus (with a ZPM installed) frontally tanked the full force of a coronal mass ejection from Lantea's Main Sequence Star- preventing said CME from annihilating the planet Atlantis was on.
yea those shields are pretty goddamn strong.
@@hulmhochberg8129 Notice in the first Ori incursion battle at the supergate, the Earth ships are the ONLY ships that could tank a blast from the Ori ships
@@nightwingaven69 the asgard ship did as well. but of course asgard ships would be using the same or better asgard shielding.
@@mxn1948 Its the same shielding, just the native Asgard generators could match ZPM levels of power for short time.
Beliskner itself housed 4 neutrino ion generators. (Supposedly those work by stabilizing naquadriah using neutrino field... forcing it to behave predictably.) which in total could output 4 billion kilojoules per milisecond...
akka Asgard had 4 PettaWatt power avaiable...
on virtually every ship...
@@Paerigos It was an old class so maybe the O'neil have a stronger output . Beside i kind of hate the SG production and scenarist when they put such number without understanding what they are throwing . An example we know in space , nuclear explosion are reduced in half in term of power . The Goa'uld buster was put to 1 GT yet when those nuke impacted , we do have a EMP happening . Those EMP proved the nuclear reaction did happen . So either Ha'tak have tanked 500 MT or maybe less but the energy released was enough to wipe out cities with no problem .
Now the BC-304 have less advanced reactor than the Asgard but that doesn't mean those energy shield generator are rated from the power output . The reactor send energy to some high energy capacitor that store it and then send those energy to the system that would charge .
One feature of Daedalus is the ship is operating at barely a fraction of its potential. The Asgard systems are far more potent than earth can provide power to exploit. When fitted with a ZPM their abilities become remarkable, even by spacefaring races standards. Future designs may provide more power and thus achieve greater performance but the systems themselves wouldn’t have to be more advanced.
Given that the Asgard final upgrades include a power core roughly equal to a ZPM, it is likely that they will solve this problem at some point, although afaik the power core isn't something they seem to have been able to replicate by the end of the series.
It's also neat how the Asgard tech is integrated smoothly. There's no glitchy bugs from incompatible electrical systems or complicated startup procedures. It all runs smoothly, reliably and consistently. I think the Asgard civilization's greatest achievement was creating bug/glitch-free technology.
@@thebighurt2495 (other than that time they unwittingly upgraded the replicators)
@@thebighurt2495 Yeah if only they could've survived to influence Earths tech firms. I mean can you imagine a windows or apple product WITHOUT bugs or glitches?
@@catwhowalksbyhimself The core couldnt match ZPM... ZPM is in essence a bottled star.
Its just a battery.
Asgard generaly prefered using Neutrion Ion generators - which are essentialy naguadriah reactors where the mostrosity is stabilized by neutrino fields.
the cores power was limited to its fuel, it wasnt much but it was still just a computer.
The last ship of this class was named after a little round, bald man from Texas, who spent the last years of his life playing with his grandkids and defending his planet and his command.
Hail, Hammond Of Texas!
YEEEE-HAWWW!
For anyone one interested, Eaglemoss just recently released a model of the Daedalus. I just got mine a month ago. Shes sitting on my desk as i watch this episode. Thank you Templin Institute for covering everything Stargate. It always makes me happy to see anything Stargate in my sub box.
Also a Death Glider and a Ha'tak. 304 is sold out though.
OMG, take my money now Eaglemoss!
Well we all knew you were lucky bastard already but this is just ridiculous. Ive been trying to get one since Christmas. Daedalus models collector, Stargate user name and an F14 profile pic, I love it when I meet ppl with the exact same likes as me. Tell me what are your views on P90s, A10s, the og Robocop and "that fucking gun", road and race cars and bikes?
SGI was such an amazing show that had both sci fy & modern tech. Humans able to build their first starships but were still using M16's & P90's.
A p90 is a weapon of war
A staff weapon is a instrument of terror.
Do you remember that episode? "👍
@@alanmike6883 yes, it still makes me facepalm:(
@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat it's been said before that M2 . 50 cals will be used to defend mars colonies
@@ashgonza92 why change perfection?
@@jasonhenry8067 Firearms cannot shoot blue bolts, so I choose plasma rifles.
Haven't seen a Daedalus in years! Felt good to see one again, one of my absolute favourite sci-fi ships!
The BC-304 Cruisers are one of the best looking, planned, and thought out Sci-Fi vessels ever implemented. They're so bloody cool.
Halo ships are better. And more realistic.
@@jacobwalsh1888 how so?
@@jacobwalsh1888 They're both awesome in their own rights.
The weapon systems on launch were pretty awfully thought out. No layered defense systems. For example intermediate range vls missiles for anti fighter engagements. The rail guns should be the last line. No capital grade weapons except nukes. If you can design a small rail gun, you can make a large one. Not enough 302's to be worth while.
@@tomtimtomtim Definitely, even after they got their upgrades, they may be exteremly powerful - especially when they are equipped with a ZPM - but they still don't have that layered defense, instead they relay on a powerful shield and Asgard Beam Weapon Combo to win their fights. Unless I am remembering wrong they used the 304's VLS Missiles for anti-capital, along with their Railguns and leaving their 302s as their main anti-fighter element. I also completely agree, not enought 302s, especially with their limited armament.
Your sci-fi tech spotlights are unique in a way that they pretty much explain everything about the tech itself without spoiling the entire story for anyone who hasn't seen it yet. That makes these videos perfect teasers.
@thecountermen01 Why would it? They are shots entirely out of context. I can't tell which shot is from which episode, and I can quote more contiguous lines of dialogue from SGA than my own damn novel I'm writing.
@@dominic.h.3363 As an avid fan of the series with many a rewatch under my belt, I could tell you just about every single one of those episodes. The title, the season and episode numbers. Even the vessel in question that we were looking at. But for a SG newbie they wouldn't spoil it, just whet the appetite for what is to come if they settle in and watch the series from the beginning. Seeing us go from tiny figures staring up at pyramid sized starships with MP5s to the dominate military space force in the galaxy who can tank any encounter with a single ship and own any enemy if we brought the whole fleet to bear.
@@tyrannicpuppy To be fair, I haven't re-watched the series since 2014, so my memory is more verbal than visual at this point! :D
Stargate, master class in how to build a ship. Everything is sourced though the episodes before it built. Non of the upgrades are treated as golden eggs, need to work for those new toys. And it looks like something earth would build. A reboot/off shoot of stargate is a dream i hope will come true
I hope a reboot or spinoff won't happen, honestly. Better to have the reminder of a good show than leave it tarnished with garbage modern shows usually are
@@argokarrus2731 even with the original creator of the show on board and directing it?
@@Shinzon23 that can be the exception
@@Project_1143M 😎
@@Shinzon23 sometimes that protects against such nonsense, sometimes it just makes it worse.
BC-304's are actually one of the fastest and most powerful ships in any franchise. 2 weeks to travel between galaxies is unheard of and the ability to be anywhere in the milkyway in just a few hours shocks even species in stargate. Fully powered its shields can tank planet destroying mass coronal ejections. Something we see ships in other series fall to, and even then the shields can be depleted by some of the most advanced races weapons like the ori, however its beam cannons can overload and punch threw ori shields as well... putting its output potential at insane levels.
Asgard Warships can do it under half an hour, going from one edge of galaxy to another is issue of minutes... But there is cost - such speed will likely fry the hyperdrives. (as Hermiod pointed out when speeding X304) as you need lot of power to mitigate some stress feedback on the drive.
Which isnt a problem if you can have spare parts or just synthesize them on the ship. So risk is worth it.
Regular asgard cruise speed seems to be about the ZPM equiped 304.
Most of what you said are rare occasions.
1. Most civilizations the SGC encountered were pre-indistrual. Of course they'd be shocked to hear of a galaxy-travelling spaceship.
2. The 304 covers Milky way to Pegasus in 18 days. An O'Neill class did that in 2 days.
3. The CME episode happened because the Daedalus used Atlantis' only ZPM at the time, to power its shields. Even then, heat bleedthrough was noted as airlocks were blown out.
4. The Asgard plasma beams were Asgard, not human. Before that, reference the Korolev for how 304s fared against Ori Motherships(2 to 4 shots at best). The Odyssey got stl shut down by the first shot.
@@armni4619 Ok, i said "Franchise" i was comparing the ship to other franchises. Its one of the fastest in any franchise... with speeds that even star wars cant meet. With shields and firepower that are above other franchises... while the ship had bleed through and suffered damage.. what would happen to a klingon ship that took that blast? what would happen to a star destroyer? hence franchise, i wasn't saying just in stargate there :)
@@jenniferstewarts4851 I know. But you are using outliers and special circumstances for that.
For the CME, you are comparing an up-powered 304 against a standard bird of prey. See the problem?
If you wanted, you could have done the CME Daedalus vs Q-powered enterprise- D for fairness.
On speed, there are franchises that rank higher than SG. Halo's forerunners, xeelee, star wars Acclamator class transport(0.6 hyperdrive class), the expanse ring system.
Don't encompass everything if you don't know everything.
The 304 is fast and powerful in its franchise. That's enough.
They could have retrieved the Voyager crew, taken out the Borg collective and be back before lunchtime…
I think these ships are like the perfect sci-fi blend of actual Frontline combat ship/brawler and carrier that stays back at range and pecks away with missiles and railguns.
There's also no denying their silhouette is unmistakable; nothing else in Sci-fi looks like them.
I can't wait to see another Stargate show if the rumours are indeed true, and I hope a Daedalus is in it.
They're a Battlestar. A sci-fi Battleship/Carrier combo.
@@thebighurt2495 Battlestars are more stay at range ships. They can brawl, but they're really not meant to
@@Shinzon23 Well, the primary weapon of the Daedelus *was* missiles and fighters up until they got the Plasma beans. I think it was designed as a Battlestar and has been forced into a brawler role by circumstances.
@@thebighurt2495 well, she always could, as the class has had the Asgard Core and the enhanced shields from the get go, it's just that the weapons before the Plasma Beams were all best suited for long range attacks, as missiles and railguns in close combat usually isn't the best usage of their capabilities.
The closest ships by how the design feels is Halo's humanity. And even then you will not mistake one for another. There are occasional ships from other series that have a similar feel to their design but the 304 truly is very unique in how it feels. Please note I am referring to pre 2553 UNSC ships as having a similar feel design wise. The ones from after really feel a lot different.
They're also the last legacy of the Asgard. They have computer cores that contains all the collected knowledge and history of the Asgard.
yeah the odyssey should permanently be parked in Earth orbit unless a desperate situation arises, it's insane to risk the Asgard computer core on normal missions, the wealth of knowledge is FAR more valuable than any tactical advantage it provides.
That would actually be the Vanir, the Pegasus Asgard we see in the last season of Atlantis.
Their story gets expanded in the books.
@@evanjohnson1299 the Data was probably transferred and copied to other computers on earth
@@evanjohnson1299 Or just copy or remove the core to a secure site .
@@anidiot2284 do you really think the massive amounts of data can fit on earth even with crystal tech, the data core had the complete repository of knowledge the Asgard ever accumulated(which included the ancients) And I highly doubt the interactive intuitive AI based on the accumulated minds of the best Asgard scientists could function on Earth tech. It's like trying to run the internet on computers from the 80's it not gonna happen.
The thing I love about the Daedalus class (and the Prometheus) is that they don't feel futuristic. You really get the sensation that we took a few pieces of alien technology and built a ship around them using mostly early 21st century human technology. The displays are mostly LCDs, the pilots use modern flight helmets, and the crews are wearing Air Force BDUs.
And in many episodes, most of the computers conectors were serial and parallel port just like old computers😅
Goddamn y'all do a masterful job presenting what is normally simply dry information as an actual lecture worthy of praise. That last set of shots combined with the wonderfully warm narration sparked a conflagration of nostalgia from enjoying those very scenes as a kid/teenager with my mom.
I know what you mean, the hair on my arms stood up.. glorious
"This is the Daedalus. It is the most powerful weapon ever built by mankind."
"Psh. Back in MY day, you know what we had? Submachine guns! We didn't even get ACTUAL machine guns, because we had to run everywhere! If we didn't, we would get KILLED INSTANTLY!"
"Yeah, okay grandpa..."
"GRANDPA!?! This was, like, eight years ago TOPS!"
"..."
Amazing how fast you can advance when faced with a constant threat of orbital bombardment.
@@lifesecho4456 It got way better once you have that first alien invasion cleared out of the way...
The introduction of the ships was the best thing possible for SG
"It has a few advantages over the Prometheus. The more advanced alien technologies were integrated into the original design rather than tacked on after the fact." -- Samantha Carter
Stargate did it right. By the time we saw even the Prometheus, it felt earned. The SGC and its allies had been through hell, and lost a whole heck of a lot, but had also brought back quite a bit of advanced technology. They forged a close alliance with the advanced Asgard, with both calling on each other several times to save their respective asses, so when, in the season 7 finale, when it became evident that Earth was finally capable of putting up a fight (although the drones helped a lot), it felt like they have finally achieved the Standing Orders of the SGC: Obtain technologies to protect Earth from the Goa'uld and other unknown threats. The 304s made season 8-10 much more versatile, but again, it 1. Was still based around the Stargate, and 2. Felt like a natural progression of the series.
Thank you for reminding people that Stargate exists
Because Stargate is a butt slapping awesome franchise that deserves more love.
I forgot about it too.
I guess it's time to fly the jolly roger, while surfing the web in quest to watch the whole SG.
@@williamhumes7332 Personally I think it was all downhill after the movie.
But the movie set such a high standard, there was a lot of quality hill to slide down.
@@jtjames79 Are you seriously saying the original movie is the best? I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you are in the minority there mate hahaha.
@@ProvidenceNL Maybe you didn't see it in theaters four or five times like I did.
What I love is that the SGC starts with the Prometheus, which really looks like humanity's first attempt at a space battle cruiser. But the Daedalus is properly an evolution of that, it still looks like a human-built ship, but more considered.
I fell in love the first time I saw the 304. I never quite warmed up to the 303. It seemed too slapdash to me. Just thrown together like one of my Lego ships I made when I was a kid. The 304 actually looks purpose-built to be a badass.
I believe that was exactly the point, at the time of the 303 the Tau'ri didnt have much experience in space ship design and construction and it really showed.
By comparison the 304s are finely honed machines that clearly tell "Lessons Learned" to anyone who looks at them. ^^
The 303 was exactly that. A hodgepodge of parts and technologies from all over the galaxy thrown into a human built shell.
The fact that the 304 was developed just a few years after and no other 303 was built showed that it was obsolete before stepping off the launchpad and everyone involved in the program knew it.
The tau'ri definitely earned it. The friendship they made, the hard work and dedication, all of it has led to the earth from being just some planet with nukes, to a planet respectable enough to have the Asgard leave them their collective knowledge. What a leap.
Love it at the end when the narrator says "...there was no fleet of mighty ships to call upon". Sends shivers down my spine.
An amazing video for an equally amazing ship design. I love that you are using the "true" dimensions of the ship instead of the "wrong" dimensions found in the DVD Collection Insert. Every other video out there that explore this ship and its preceding Prometheus Class use those wrong dimensions. So thanks for that! Though my only real complain is that you use the Battlecruiser designation for the design instead of its Deep Space Carrier designation used in other sources. Still I am all that bent out of shape for that as it is termed both as Deep Space Carrier and as a Battlecruiser in the show. So Templin Institute thanks for the great video! And keeping it coming with the Stargate Content.
I think it'd be cool that in the future, Earth would supplement their BC fleet with other, cheaper classes. Like destroyers, make them half the size without the hangers but give it plenty of firepower. They wouldn't be as versatile but they'd be easier to produce and can act as escorts of the BC's or be patrol ships.
There was a Stargate mod for Homeworld 2, so there are at least designs for a fuller Earth fleet
Yeah, smaller ships dedicated to that would be cool, but knowing the US, they would also build something 3 times the size and pack as many F-302 into as they can!
@@Spinikar A dedicated carrier wouldn't be bad either xD
Thank you for getting the dimensions of this awesome ship right!
somebody had to
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Every other scifi youtube: tHiS iS tHe CaNoN sIzE!
The Templin Institute: Fine, I'll do it myself.
Seriously, I cannot thank you enough!!
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Yes, thank you, now if only you can convince Spacedock to do the same.
All hail The Templin Institute, and we bow before your awesomeness.
Man Stargate is hands down one of the most underrated yet greatest sci-fi shows ever
Stargate didn't have a huge amount of space battles, but the ones they did have are IMO some of the best space battles of science fiction.
"best space battles' has to go to the Expanse, because their entire mode of combat and physics is the most realistic ever depicted, with the most dramatic, razor-edge outcomes.
@@EclecticFruit yeah but you're comparing a 90's scifi to a modern scifi, also no-one mentioned the Expanse. I didn't say Stargate had the best, so your need to assert the Expanse as "best space battles" is a waste of time and effort. I don't compare the effects of scifi shows split by several decades, I compare the narrative.... and Stargate had a better story ;)
@@nailboard6492 Until Expanse went way of Ori-super gate.....in any case, both are great and it depends do we prefer grounded or all way fictional.
I loved how Stargate showed a slow, methodical buildup between "oh god, we are ants, and we just poked a giant" to "we are one of, if not the, biggest galactic power." You could track each technology, each major development, through the series. While the time tables and balance seemed a bit off (really, earth makes a few ships, and is now "rivalling" an empire that consists of hundreds, if not thousands of planets?) it was still neat to see that progression.
My only complaint was that while they showed a massive developmental change when it comes to the "space forces," hardly anything changed throughout the entire series when it comes to the ground forces. The absolute pinnacle of this issue was the P-90s. You are telling me that, over the course of the show, humanity's knowledge of advanced spacefaring technology progressed by hundreds, if not thousands, of years, and not one of those new principles could be applied to the infantry equipment? After this incredible scientific leap forwards, the "cutting edge" weapon was developed before humanity had even made first contact?
The show's lore tries to explain it as "the advanced alien technology is only designed to fight other advanced technology, so it can't defend against humanity's primitive technology." That's a really cool concept, I like it, but surely the "advanced alien technology" could be incorporated somehow, right? They could have made a custom gun, that still uses "conventional" technology, but is made with advanced materials, or used that insane computer power and energy-dense batteries to create advanced portable gear. It would have been so cool to see the infantry kit slowly being replaced with sci-fi gear, but instead they are using the technological equivalent of a musket as their "latest and greatest."
Think about our own history of infantry weapons since WW2, they have had a much smaller change than, tanks, planes, warship and other complex systems.
Against Jaffas all they needed was AP ammo to get through body armour.
Replicators were known to adapt to anything energy based in matter of few casualities like Borgs do. Kinetic energy was only energy their main forces had no counter to. Humanoid replicators were whole another story and were b*/ch to deal with, but there were only few of them in Milky Way. In Pegasus they were diffrent story, but eventualy even they adapted to Antic's design and Tau'ri versions of that design.
Against Anubis's super soldiers SGC eventualy resorted to energy weapons added as an attachments to P-90s.
Ori soldiers weren't any better than Jaffas and priors got countered by Anti-Prior Devices functioning as force jammers.
Wraiths were same story as Jaffas.
The main reason why P-90 and IRL weapons stayed to the end was they were fun to use. With energy weapons actors could only make pew-pew-pew with their mouths, but IRL weapons could at least fire blanks.
Such an iconic ship, and infinitely more beautiful than the Prometheus. The 303 did it's name proud and brought us fire, but Daedalus perfected it, and truly gave humanity wings.
Hardest thing about the fan fic I'm writing is figuring how to make sure Earth still makes these magnificent pieces of art with the handful of changes I've made. The Milky Way just wouldn't feel right without these ships patrolling between her stars.
What are you writing?
@@aedanbranson It is a crossover fic set in an alternate reality. It focuses on Harry Potter and his friends stumbling on the Glastonbury Cave (with a slight twist) about a year after the war and exploring out from there. I've posted 18 chapters so far on FFN and AO3 with another 10 prewritten as well. Hence the name: Harry Headlines at Glastonbury.
The first two 'books' are mostly them completing the Tor Mission, but book three will deal with them going out into the galaxy and interacting with the Asgard, SGC and the Goa'uld.
It's quite hard writing for two fandoms at the same time as I have to provide a lot of exposition from both sides to ensure anyone who is only a fan of one fandom understands what is going on from both perspectives.
And it becomes so easy to make huge tidal waves in the reality with small actions. Hence why I had to give serious thought to how to ensure humanity still makes the 304s.
The SGC are still out there doing their thing, saving the world. But the story does focus mostly on the HP characters, as that is where my fanfiction writing experience currently lies. So not sure how much pure stargate fans will like it compared to HP fans.
@@tyrannicpuppy Although it sounds interesting I don't know if I'll ever read it.
I like crossovers that focuses on universes that mesh together naturally due to elements from both of their canon aligning.
For example the magic in Harry Potter can easily be explained as neural energy in the Halo universe, thus making those franchises very compatible for a crossovers. Which is unfortunately not the case for Star Gate where most writers either say that it's just magic which messes with Star Gate canon too much, or that it's some quirk of assention.
@@aedanbranson Which is perfectly fine. I write for myself, so even if everyone else hates it at the end of the day I've still pleased me, lol.
I personally find the worlds mesh pretty well. The timeline meshes really nicely with HP wrapping up in the first year or two of the SGC. Both involve worlds that are actively hidden from the general populace, explaining why neither are seen from the others perspective in their canons.
And the magic is easily explained as similar to the evolutionary talents the Ancients exhibited as they neared ascension. But evolution doesn't just do the same trick twice, so the second time around it becomes magic instead. After all, it's not like strange mental powers are unheard of in SG canon. The Nox for one, and anyone altered to an advanced evolutionary state gets all kinds of freaky mind powers.
The only one I've seen used to explain magic in SG that messes with the canon is the idea that magic is the result of the ATA genes. If that is the case, why is Jack in the military and not a wizard?
But yeah, if people read it, good. If they don't great. I just like to share the crazy ideas I write out, otherwise they feel kinda wasted just filling up google doc after google doc. lol.
What's even more impressive is when a ZPM is powering the Daedalus' systems, it can make an earth to atlantis trip in mere days.
The greatest Sci-fi ship and franchise. The 304 looks so cool and is such a bad ass. The shot of the horizon deployment through to its successful launch of its individual warheads is one of my favourite scenes in all of sci-fi.
One of my favorite sci-fi series, been a fan from the orginal movie as a kid. A well done video and truly makes you appreciate everything SG teams went through to make these ships possible.
The daedalus class battlecruiser.....quite possibly one of the most magnificent ships ever designed in all of scifi. Not only because it looks amazing and has amazing and powerful technology, but also because 10 years of stargate episodes slowly culminated in this crowning achievement brought about by hard work, perseverance and fantastic diplomatic relationships that can be traced back through the entire series. Truly one of the best, if not the best scifi series of all time.
In my youth, the amount of time I spent arguing on the gateworld forums about this ship, like where the bridge is, it's size, or it's actual designation(BC/DSC) is staggering. The truth is, you can't really determine anything about it, as there is contradicting on-screen evidence for all of these. It goes from 300m to 600+, there are shots where the bridge is on the neck in the middle, and some times in the tower, and its designation was sometimes a battlecruiser, but the apollo was a deep space carrier on it's plaque.
Oh those were the days!
Wasn't the Apollo designated a Deep Space Carrier because of the fact it was built to operate in the Pegasus Galaxy while those with the Battlecruiser Designation were built to operate in the Milky Way Galaxy. Also I am 90% sure the Tower is the Air Traffic Control for the Fight Groups.
You can calculate the ship's size from the bridge set. Or use the source 3D assets. Size is around 650~730m depending on how you size the bridge and if you count the antenna.
Biggest hints it's not 300 is that the physical practical F-302's would be unable to even enter the hanger.
@@DarkStar14n you can, but the model size changes episode to episode, so there will never be an exact size.
@@SoulAssassino I am talking the raw 3D file. The only thing they change on it is scale when they make an episode. Bit the proportions all remain the same.
Always wondered how powerful SG Earth would be if the Stargate program was not secret. I mean if the SGC alone can produce multiple spaceships then what could be accomplished if the full might of Earth's industries had been available without the bottlenecks and delays caused by secrecy?
That's the next logical step in the Stargate: reveal everything to the world. Within a decade or two, there would be shipyards all over the world, building everything from small civilian ships to colony ships to warships of various sizes. The Tau'ri (assuming they didn't splinter and society didn't collapse) would very quickly amass a fleet larger than that of the Jaffa or even the Wraith.
@@Cailus3542 True it does seem that way alright. The danger is like you you save splintering and social disruption from disclosure of the SGC. However, I think while there would be enormous societal shock that might take years to die down, the greater danger is probably the splintering. Sure there was the IOA in Stargate but even then the large nations struck out to build/demand ships themselves almost immediately. Other nations will demand the right to build and use their own spaceships for military and civilian purposes and not all of those nations will be friendly to the United States. Heck, with access to the gate network or FTL ships there is nothing to stop various fringe groups/individuals/nations setting off into galaxy and taking over the poor former slave worlds of the goauld and become tyrants themselves and in time possible rivals to the Earth based powers.
@@Arclight104 only the large nations would benefit...essentially that means UNSC P5. the us only involved russia and china because they needed them for something(for example, the russian gate). the other nations would have exactly zero leverage to force the larger nations to share any tech or access to FTL or even the gate itself. i mean, what are they going to do? fight them? and by this point the UNSC P5 nations dont need anything from the rest of earth, they dont need your industry or labor or land or resources. tensions on earth between the larger nations would wane initially. afterall there are countless free real estate and resources out there to take, why bother over little islands or fishing zones at home? go out colonize and mine entire worlds. in 50 years the us/eu/russia/china would be operating multi-thousand follow on designs each, at which point the biggest threat is themselves and we get a new cold war but in space .
The Russians probably wouldn't want the World to know that they lost their hyper advanced space ship a day after they got it.
@@nobleman9393 Haha, at least in real life something like an advanced Russian ship getting destroyed wouldn't happen... right? right??
"...with even multiple ships outclassed by a single 304." Thats music in my ears! I love this ship and i think its the best looking and well thought of vessel in scifi history. Compact, well equipped and god these shots of her flying near the camera are breathtaking! I love how you came around at the end that without the work of the stargate command over the span of the last decade this ship couldnt be possible. awesome video!
This was a fantastic tribute to one of the most thoughtfully constructed starships in televised science fiction. Now I need to go and watch Stargate Atlantis again!
Beyond anything else the Daedalus represents the greatest accomplishment of interservice politics, keeping a "warship" under their command. The navy must be pissed
Doesn't the navy have more fighters than the Air Force? And I heard the Army has more boats than the Navy. Although that's probably counting row boats 🤣
A beautiful tribute to one of the best sci-fi designs out there. SG needs a reboot, though the state of reboots and adaptations today makes me cautious for such a thing.
No wokish reboot please. Let's wait a few more years for all the woke lunatics to go broke.
Please no reboot. Just a continuation.
@@lordcola-3324 I have a dream that one day they'll have a sequel series, focusing on the reveal of the Stargate program and its impact on galactic civilization. It'd be really hard to do right, but boy would it be cool!
Hands down my favorite ship in any TV show, probably not the most powerful but still I love it
such a good video..also loving this new stargate thing! its really refreshing and gives another way better fleshed out high quality 2022 video
I like how they retconned it from being 200 meters long to over 600 meters in source books to make it consistent with how it's depicted on screen.
Had to do some research into this one. As far as I'm aware, the 200 meters long figure came from a DVD extra of dubious canonicity.
@@TemplinInstitute it was the official number for a long time but then someone pointed out to one of the producers that didn't work with how it's depicted on screen so they changed it. Or at least that's how the producers recount the change.
@@ZontarDow at 200m the scale would be so wrong to all the other Goauld, Asgard, Wraith and Ori ships. Even Promethous had to be larger then 200m.
Wiki still goes with the older numbers so whatever source claims it's bigger really needs to be shown to them.
@@TemplinInstitute from the posts Joseph mellozzi has been putting up on the stargate reddit I think the magazines took the lengths from certain scale pictures and just took them at face value as thee model(s) length. There was one put up of the Prometheus and it was put at 110m long in the scale drawing. But the tv model with the reffit hangers etc is 550m.
This is why I loved Stargate. Can you imagine having a season 1 character like Sam or Jack, and taking them to the end of the series of the last season, just how mind fucked they'd be with everything they are about to achieve, especially with the Daedalus class ships! Just how much they progressed is mind boggling, but it makes sense on the journey as every technology is gained one way or the other, showed in episodes. Every advancement is explained through multiple story arcs and met races and alliances. Through multiple trails and fails, learning from mistakes. The last season felt nothing like the first, second or third.
I miss Stargate...
Great video, I've always loved the way the 304 looked. It's up there in my top five sci-fi ships. Along with Voyager from Star Trek. Moya from Farscape and Normandy SR2 from Mass Effect. And a few others I can't recall the names off. (it's been a while since I thought of it.) It's great to recap on the ships every now and then and feel such nostalgia.
Such a beautiful and practical design aesthetic. Stargate nailed this ship down with spades!
Love these. They way they were the result season by season of Sta4Gate command getting hold of tech, failing/succeeding. Like one episode where other nations want more influence over StarGate and a Russian Rep pulls aside the Chinese one argu8ng that the US is not only making itself the biggest target, but investing staggering amount trying to make all this tech work, spending tens of billions on a naquadria star drive alone, with no guarantee it will ever work. Then finally the 304s. Big brick like beasts that scream power. A pair of small inner hangers, and the outer pair of bigger hangers for 302 class fighters. Very iconic, but not looking like anyone designed any of it for its look. They look like what you’ld really think the military would develop, and in lore just built up so it could go toe to toe with anything they’ld ever seen.
Love this show, just finished rewatching them all. Ahhh good times
Oh thank God, someone finally got the length correct. Well done!
Off topic but I absolutely love that style of showing ships and battles in sci fi at 9:10. No cutting around so it feels like each ship exists in its own pocket dimension, panning and zooming to help with a sense of size, scale, and distance. Reminds me of BSG
A neat detail is how the Prometheus and Daedulus class are commanded by Colonels. This is neat because a USAF Colonel is at the same rank grade as a USN Captain. In other words, they're using the *equivalent* of a Navy Captain to command the ships.
Although, Carrier Captains are often Rear Admirals.
Colonel, Colonel, colonel, colonel, colonel, colonel, colonels...
Rodney: Seriously?
@@sodadrinker89 Carriers tend to be flagships, so that sounds like a place you should have an Admiral anyway.
@@sodadrinker89 US aircraft carrier commander officers are still O-6 captains. In fact the CO and XO are both O-6. Fun fact all US super carriers are captained by naval aviators.
The admiral is on the carrier because those ships are designed to be flagships and have extra space to accommodate the admiral's staff. The admiral on board would actually be in charge of all the ships that sail together with the carrier, the carrier strike group.
Wow, I'm surprised this video actually got the size of the BC-304 correct!
0:14 I should note that the class is technically a “battlecarrier” since it possesses significant aerospace combat craft, and the facilities to support their operations, in addition to its ship-to-ship weaponry.
the perfect fusion of hyper advanced tech from our Asgardian friends and the practical no nonsense designee elements common to human design philosophy. its my second favorite battlecruiser right behind the starcraft battle cruiser. i love it!
Fun fact the reason one of the ships was called the george hammond was a tribute to the actor who played him that died
not exactly a "fun" fact
@@TemplinInstitute true but it's more meaningful mentioning the george hammond if people know
You forgot the part where the BC-304 can travel from the Milky Way to the Pegasus galaxy in 4 days, when powered by a ZPM.
This is by far the best BC-304 video I've ever seen!!
The 304 is my favorite ship in all of sci-fi and this video did her justice. Thank you.
What a fearsome little (compared to others in the SG universe) ship the Daedalus is, not to mention one with a great military-industrial look that still feels familiar and even homey, a bit like an aircraft carrier in space. A top notch design for a sci-fi vessel!
Templin institute videos are truly timeless.
You can't tell whether a video has been released to our reality today or years ago.
This Daedalus class is one of my favorite ship designs
Coming back to this again. I always find it funny how hilariously OP the BC-304 is in the annals of Sci-Fi, I’m almost sure it would destroy most universes main ships with ease
True, one on one, it is extremely powerful but the issue with Stargate is there is not vast fleet that other franchises has.
Also one of the most powerful ship classes in science fiction by the end of Atlantis.
I would say Stargate is one of the best shows when it came to world building for science-fiction they did a better job of it than Star Trek I also love their ships that they made for earth they’re one of the best designs I’ve seen that seem like a giant aircraft carrier in space. And we don’t start with overpowered weapons every advancement in the show could be traced back to a previous episode which was perfect I kinda hope one day we might get a continuation of the universe but hopefully if they do they do it right
Agreed, you can probably trace the lineage of every bit of technology being developed or acquired in the Daedalus into a stargate episode, you see it being built
As ardent fan of Star Trek - I agree. Large portion to it is not sticking to episode-centric structure but to well thought out story arc. In any case it was very, very well done.
Such a great ship.
The Daedalus is the most beautiful ship ever
I hope the 3D/CGI guys who designed are proud, probably swimming in money too
The Daedalus is the textbook example of the phrase “fight smarter not harder.” …. Also the Thrawn Doctrine
oh Thrawn would love these ships
These 6 ships sound like do-everything battlecarriers. In Star Wars terms, they're dreadnoughts like SSD Executor or Supremacy in all but size.
Thrawn's trademark would using a bunch of the obsolete predecessor ships in some clever way to nullify one of these superships.
love how with only enemy spacecraft and their own surface navalcraft to compare it to, they designated it a battle cruiser
As long as there's no "Invincible" class I think it'll be fine.
@@insignificantgnat9334 Or as long as there ain't a ship named "Hood"
What episode is 6:16 scene from? I don’t remember them ever destroying a wraith hive with asgaurd beams?
My single favorite ship in all Scifi! Thank you so much for taking a look at this masterpiece!
It’s awesome to see the StarGate show still getting some attention. Love and miss that show. Think you guys
I loved when the Asgard uploaded ALL their knowledge and weapons technology into the Daedlus ship 👍 that was tanky AF!
I'd rather have them leave one Daniel Jackson ship to T'auri .
That’s one of the main things I’d love to see in a new series in this universe is what the BC-305 would look like? As well as the other newer ships!!
I hope its a smaller support ship or maybe logistic supply ship, having a bunch of battlecruisers responsible for transporting supplies and such seems impractical and a waste of resources
In the unending battle between Wars and Trek. I am a Gate.
I only have two notes. 1. The hyperdrive of the Prometheus was first made of salvaged Gould tech yes. But a few years before the Atlantis expedition the Asgard installed a Asgard one. And later on the Daedalus always had the Asgard drive since its first mission was to back up the Atlantis team in another galaxy. The ship could not have gotten there with a Gould hyperdrive. 2 While we saw the last ship made was the Hammond, it could not have been the last ship of the fleet. By now in 2022 the SGC would have had at 13 more ships. As it was said it took about a year to build one. Also after the Asgard gave Earth all its modern tech that would speed up things. The tech would have allowed Earth to just use raw materials and create the components of the ships instead of building them by hand. All they had to do was scan a ship and could produce copies of sections of the ships. And with all the IOA countries wanting ships Home World Command would have a large feet by now.
also add in Earth has no ability to build ZPMs thus only has been used sparingly on 304's
@@Revkor Well I assume the logical project would be to start devoloping Earth version of neutrino-ion generators to get the power Asgard had...
@@Paerigos yes but it was sounding like they use the ZPM willy nilly on these ships and that is not true since the time the show ended they still couldn't make them. now with the Atlantis databanks and it now safe on earth they might in time.
When I saw that Templin Institute was doing a video on one of my FAVORITE ships, I had to drop everything and watch/like! Thank you very much! If I may to suggest some of the ships from The Expanse for future content endeavors? :D
One of the most beautifully designed ships in all of Sci-fi
Love this channel, keep up the excellent work!
i have watched this many times and the end of this video still gives me goosebumps
My favorite Ship in all of SciFi :D Just a beautiful design :D
Finally, someone who uses the actual scale of the ship rather than the throughly debunked published numbers from that magazine.
Well done. I always loved the Daedalus class ship and as a long-time fan of Stargate SGI & Atlantis, I can still remember when the Daedalus took flight and thought to myself how awesome it was that Earth now had our own space-capable battlecruiser. This is when I felt Stargate as a series and the promises of the Stargate technology hit their stride. I wished the Daedalus Battlecruisers got more screen time. Just reminds me I have to re-watch the series. Much rather re-watch this, than the modern garbage they pass on as sci-fi.
Y’all forgot to mention that the new superstructure on the George Hammond made it more resistant to battle damage and had larger, more powerful rail guns
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Before I finish watching this video, I just wanted to thank you guys for using the cg model measurements instead of some of the other sources that mess up the scaling of this and other ships!
Great tribute at the end to the original Star Gate series, the best campy sci-fi show ever made.
3 million light years in just over 2 weeks. It can pretty much cross the milky way galaxy in roughly half a day. A trip to Proxima Centauri is only a fraction of a second. Imagine having technology like that.
Asgard towed prometheus 130 lightyears to Earth in blink of an Eye before O´neill finished a sentence.
literaly 2 seconds while being slow because of extended hyperspace field around the puny "frigate" compared to Thors O´neill in unnatural selection.
And 99% of the human population still have no idea.
I do like how in SG1 it's just exploration with a few teams using the network by the end you not only have the a fleet of starships but the entire ancient city of Atlantis in secret on Earth.
If only SGU didn't end on a cliffhanger, imagine the kind of concepts for ships they could've made if they got THAT ship back to Stargate command
Well Destiny would be that more advance then all the Deadalus bc's with Asgard tech. You need to consider Ancients were long gone whereas Asgard kept on developing their tech till their mass suicide in season 10. I don't think Destiny would bring any "more advance" tech back to Earth.
@@Vilfy True but I imagine it more like having Atlantis too, instead of having to build something from scratch if you could bring it to a 'safe zone' under your control you could retrofit it faster than building a another one.
@@Vilfy True. Factor this in though: it would be Humanity's first Hiveship. Reverse-engineer that thing, then strap Asgard tech into it? There is literally no force in the universe that could threaten us ever again. It would be our Infinity.
When they mentioned the daedalus class battlecruiser being smaller sue to nor having unnecessary ceremonial and/or baroque features, my first thought was, damn you didn't have to do 40k dirty like that. But, then I was like, you right, tho.
Definitely the quintessential symbol of the Tau'ri's rise to galactic prominence.
Now to wait for Arsenal videos on the Stargates and other ships of the Stargate mythos...
Im actually kinda emotional and really pumped seeing the SG ships history summed up, how they went from pee shooter skiffs used more for escape then assault, too kickass hard hitters that could take on everything thrown at it. I grew up with SG1 and they very much so earned their ships and tech. 👏👏👏👏👏
Awesome video. Keep up the good work.
The magazine sizes for these ships were wrong because im guessing the magazine published scale pictures without context. Artists make different scale drawings for the models and the magazines have taken the ones they had as the default sizes. One of the artists put up a scale picture on the reddit of the prometheus and it was scaled at 110m, but that is not the default model size of 550m with its 302 bays. Same for the Daedalus.
But as for the ships themselves? Forget about the shields and plasma lances. Take any unshielded ship of similar size or bigger, and these ships still slay. Let's take a stalwart class frigate, or halbert class destroyer. Now while their main macs will cause real damage (not as much as people think since autumn classes can take multiple mac rounds.) and you have to be straight on. their secondary weapons are not in the same league as the rail guns on the sg vessels. Those rail guns were designed by the asgard, a detail people are constantly missing. Rail guns designed to help fight against shielded ships. So for perspective. A hatak can tank a gigaton in nuclear ordinance at least, and its shields are still intact, covenant cruiser can at max take two 30 megaton shevas before being destroyed.
And then there are their hulls. Both halo ships utilise titanium a armour hulls. Titanium is denser and lighter than steel and almost as strong. And titanium a makes it suited for armour use. The hulls on the SG ships are a naquadah trinium alloy. Naquadah is denser than titanium and has amazing energy properties, and trinium is 100 times lighter than steel yet much stronger. An trinium arrow fired from a wooden bow went straight through bullet proof glass at the sgc. Those hulls are more than capable of taking punishment. And there is the manoeuvrability of the SG ships,. The 304s especially.
In a battle against unshielded ships, one to two times their size I'd be picking these ships as well.
Also. One of these ships... The Odyssey is also a shine to the memory and knowledge of the Asgard themselves. Lets remember those who came this way before and did not return from the howling dark...
It would be cool to see a series where these cruisers are flanked by dedicated F-302 carriers, battleships and small support ships. I'd be down for that.
Stargate the Movie was the first movie my brother, father and myself watched in our new house in 96 and since that moment has been one of my favorite Sci fi series I am literally typing this as I watch SG Universe
It would've been great if the SGC designed a modified variant of the Prometheus, to serve as a support craft for the BC-304.