Funny and well informed reviewer. you are great. keep doing these videos. I especially liked the recent one in which you said "people who keep sending me stuff for review obviously don't watch my videos"
I'm new to the HIFI world. Its only been 10 months since I started collecting records and studying about speakers/amps etc. I've been having a hard time on what brand or model should I go for in terms of pricing and sound quality. Here in the Philippines there's limited supply of brands that give decent quality for a speaker and whenever I'm looking for a review of that certain model or brand, it's here in this channel. I'm learning a lot. So glad I saw you.
Good stuff! This was exactly what I was looking for, but I’m still not sure what to buy between the two though lol ... guess it’ll be a good buy either way
Hey Randy very good review. (Sorry my English may be a bit snarky) I've heard the Elac Dr62 are hard to drive. I just don't know which amplifier works good with it. I would like to know if an amplifier Iotavx Sa3 is enough, or is it better with Pa3. or should i choose the xtz edge a2 300 amp? Thanks see you later on the next interesting video 📹!
@@Revelator2025 Hey, thanks for your answer. I sent the Elac's back and bought the Polk r200, plus Musical fidelity m2si and Bluesound node (130). Hello
Also, I wonder if it's an absolute fact that the stiffer the cabinet the better it sounds. Because I doubt that if you'd form the Klipsch or Elac cabinet from concrete, they'd sound much better. I thought I've read somewhere that a certain sound characteristic from the (wooden) cabinet is needed. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@@Wuppie62 well it all about damping unwanted vibrations. There are concrete loudspeakers. But if not done correctly, they would ring at certain volume settings/frequencies. One youtuber diy guy did a test of several materials & found mdf to be the quietest. I would like to try a double layer of .5" mdf held together with a thick layer of silicone adhesive.
@@porkchopspapi5757 If you're going to glue layers of mdf on eachother, my guess is that perhaps you might just as well try berch multiplex straight away.. Because I know that in the world of PA's, the cheaper speakers and Subs use mdf for their cabinets, while the better sounding (top-)models use the more expensive and stronger ((scandinavian) berch) multiplex.
Overall dynamics and impact , Randy??? I have a hard time believing most similar passive speakers best the horns dynamically. Presence with movies and rock?? Yet another typically stronger characteristic of traditional Klipsch
Making a claim about the LS50 metas losing it to these two at third of a price is a bold statement! Respect for saying that, because all other reviewers just seem to keep on ranting on how the Metas are amazing. Good to hear a different opinion.
To the speakers manufacturers gently asking to quit bi amping and putting the saved dime in better bracing and better crossovers that actually have real sonic gains.
I just bought the Elac Debut 2.0…. Totally blew me away. It’s an excellent speaker. I’m moving away from my klipsch. My ears don’t enjoy the horns any longer
Elac's are way more balanced to me. It is imperative that you use high quality amps with above average power to get the optimum out of the Elac's. The Klipsch can get away with low budget amps in my opinion.
Randy! Randy! I don’t know where your from but you speak speakers and audio plainly with out pretentious talking down to people. Like you were born with a golden ear. Thanks from the East coast.
I'm not much of a Klipsch fan but if you're going to be an audio reviewer since they are one of the oldest Brands out there you should out of respect at least pronounce their name correctly. Klips?
Yes, a good catch. That the Klipsch is better on female voices! I have a pair RP-600m heavily modified though, but I enjoy females vocalist tremendously. Now I got a hint of why that may be.. Think the litle lower crossover point @1500Hz compared to Elac @2200Hz may influence a little bit.
@@cheapaudioman Yes it is a GR research modification: th-cam.com/video/a-nuVNOeCXY/w-d-xo.html Address the cabinet issue and so on. It is just comfortable to know that the caps is matched (individually measured and matched with the same value in the kit). No electrolyte no sand cast no iron core and floss gauge inductors no PCB, half number of solder points, tube connectors so no ferrous material in the signal path. Cables directly solder to drivers. And nores on the inside of the cabinet. How does it sound before and after. To be honest I can't say.. I just got in 2020 this dedicated new listening space that I did not have any dedicated before and needed to be in the living room there I use B&W 804. So I did not had much time with them beforehand and I have done a lot alteration rapidly to get the space as good sounding as possible (several changes at once). So not only fixing the RP-600m I also built my own mono blocks that is car battery driven (like GR research use and have), built sound absorbers and bass traps, installed DSP plus many more things. So I can't tell what the difrence is when the whole rig were in a flux state. I actually thought that I maybe should buy another pair second hand just to be able to compare.. I just think that doing all that modifications with higher quality parts can't make it to sound worse anyway.. But it is not like that you get a completely new speakers at the end of the day it is the same drivers anyway. But I will probably not do that because of time constraints, I rather put time and money on the current projects to finish them instead. I am building two passive open baffle 18" and I have a modification of my TT to do so I can adjust VTA on the fly. I just stumbled upon your video and I like it! Have a nice weekend.
@@cheapaudioman please do that. I would try to get to hear his OB speakers. When that type of speaker is not easy to audition in the first place. And to get a grip on if OB is something is to your liking and something to pursue. That is good experience and knowledge to get in my opinion. I think it is good to save up and build something reel amazing. Instead pouring in money to upgrade the RP-600m that is still will be a box speaker if you like the OB type. Unfortunately I am in Sweden and for me it gets little bit of a hurdle to buy the OB cabinet and ship them from one guy and buy the rest from GR research and ship those plus add import taxes on top.. And I need to do all of the work, yes I am maybe little bit handy. But paint and finishing is not up to snuff. But if you like what you hear and Danny can probably recommend painters and such if you can't do it yourself. And when you live in USA and can just pick it up then it is a different value proposition I think. :)
Yeah, I'm not into Klipsch. I trialed the Elac Uni-fi UB52 against Kef Q150's, and the Kefs won out no matter how I tweaked and how much I broke in the Elacs. Back they went. Then I upgraded to the LS50 Metas and was blown away. No regrets!
Randy, a few comments on this. I think that the tighter bass on the Elac is because the port is quite a bit smaller which results in a more sealed like sound versus ported. I think that the better imaging on the Elac is from it's closer driver spacing making it closer to a coaxial speaker than the Klipsch and would be superior in a nearfield situation. The cabinet resonance on the Klipsch can be improved with some NoRes which is one of the improvements that Danny at GR Research recommends for the RP600M. His suggested modifications can put the RP600M in a high end sound class. Finally, I think your distaste for the KEF LS50 is because you value bass more than pristine and neutral sound as well as price value, and I am right there with you on that. Great job as usual.
Had the 160m's which were similar to the 600's but currently own the DBR62'S. I will say that the Elacs demand proper speaker stands, well isolated, if you want to get the best bass response out of them. In my room, the Elacs had much better bass response than the Klipsches despite being close spec-wise. I agree with your sentiments though, you really can't go wrong with either speaker. Also, both are very transparent regarding equipment matching and scale very well.
The more speakers I review the more that I start to disregard low end specifications. While the speaker may hit that number and probably does, the balance of the speaker's sound signature would prevent anyone from getting that out of the speaker without it becoming shouty and overtly bright. The way the crossover is designed is so much more important that the low end specifications so that when one does hit that lower end it's balanced with the rest of the sound signature. I've always felt that Elac does that very well. Thanks so much for watching. I've got a pair of RP400m's on their way which is very exciting.
Fantastic comparison between the two speakers, and the thing that draws me to your videos the most is that you slurp and gulp coffee while making your videos. That is a key essential to making videos that keep people engaged. I think that the average youtube content creator is missing out by not slurping and drinking coffee or some other beverage. The only thing that could be better would be if you ate food at the same time as well. If you ever decide to start doing that, please be sure to chew with your mouth open.
Just found your channel, cool comparison! One thing to note though, bi-amping on a AVR isn't really going to offer any improvements (which you noticed). When you see watt measurements from AVR they're usually only quoting 2 channels running. Even though they have a configuration option in the AVR to bi-amp really at that point you're just splitting the power from the power supply to more amps but won't see any real improvements. Can always use pre-outs to another power amp though.
Appreciate the heads up on that. My consumption of power is a fraction of the actual rated power of the amp or receiver. Id estimate that my usage is less than 4 watts based on the SPL distance and room gain and sensitivity of my speakers. Some day I’d like to get two discreet amps and see if I can tell a difference.
@Randy Several reviewers mention and praise the dynamics and the liveliness (and 'live' like presence) of the Klipsch RP600 over other - maybe more 'accurate/analytical/neutral' - speakers. 'Engaging' is a word often used. You didn't mention something similar in your 'list' of aspects or comparison, if I'm right. Could you elaborate on this? Thanks!
I've gone from the RP600M to the DBR62 and lived for over a year with the 600M. The Klipsch are more lively, but come with a caveat to their cabinet faults. Also the driver isn't as seamlessly crossed. They are more sensitive and louder and like to party. The ELAC are significantly better in natural tendency to just show you around the performance and not shout it. I considered redoing the crossover and dampening per gr-research but just decided the ELAC were a better deal as soon as I compared them. I bought both used so, there's that too. I bypassed the tweeter crossover with a copper MiFlex cap on the ELAC as was rewarded with another layer of grit being removed from the top end and yet another widening of the sound stage. Totally worth the $40. I drive them with a 25 watt Firstwatt Aleph J and they do just fine for the 70-80db I listen at in the evenings.
I choose these Elacs over other speakers on my computer desk, first they are not as deep (27,5cm similar to Edifier S2000MKIII) as these Klipsch, second, front bass port. I run them with Loxjie A30. Very happy with overall SQ. I also tested KEF Q100 which was too bright and fatigue with higher volumes and weak on bass, also tested MA Bronze 2. These Elacs are well balanced neutral speakers with big power on hit. On Metallica - Metallica (Black Album) they are perfect, not fatigue, and very detailed. I also noticed as Randy said treble goes live when volumes are bit higher.
I also have the Kef q100, they sound great but are very amp sensitive for sure. Some amps did sound fatiguing while others did not. My marantz sr 4021 sounded best with them and the q150
Also i think the best affordable speakers are : Wharfedale Diamond 11 series , EVO series and Elysian series designed by Peter Comeau. They sound and look like speakers that cost 3 or 4 times more , they are unique and very good built. I HAVE SPOKEN
Hi I’m new to your channel, I have an Aiwa 5 disc cd changer with cassette and turntable. Do you think klipsch rp-600 speakers would be a good upgrade? The aiwa speakers are 150 watt!
Randy, wouldn't it be a good idea to get yourself a sturdier table to do the show ? Your solidly founded presentations tend to lose credibility with that shaky table you're now using...
Hey Randy. I don't know if you go back and revisit comments from "old" vids. If you do, I was just wondering if you ever tested the Elac DR on the Reisong A10 or your Reisong MT34 MkII? Measurements say the Elac is only 86dB sensitive compared to the Klipsch's advertised 96dB. Is one better than the other with these amps?
Great job dude, I bought both after watching your vid, 600m for $329 Elac for $489. 504c $384, and atmos 500sa for $300. Get to switch around the Elac and 600m between fronts and rears now.
I really want to klipsch but I keep hearing the mid range sucks how do I make it better file want to purchase possibly the 500 m. They will be used for music when I want to listen to my music loud and I listen to all sorts from rock , country to Old school rap and home theater use. I also would need a built-in bracket such as the clips do Unless you can point me in the right direction to the overall speaker. I have 2 subs so the bass isn't primarily
some music has different tone of bass mids treble some songs cut offf at 40 60 some go down to 20 i agree with vocals though klipsch has amazing vocals and i love alanis morisette she does sound amazing on klipsh i like higher vocals i have issues with rock and country having harsh trevble and highs on the i e s and male female vocals no mater how high low they hit and guitars sound harsh on some songs on klipsh i feel elac a guitar sounds way better than a klipsh depending on how you ajust it on some mixes i prefer the johnny cash version verson but i like nine inch nails too some i disaggree some songs mix the guitar differently like guitar solos are usually focused on center channel metalica sound better with klipsch and yahmaha is a very bad combo too flat no matter how you ajust it so use elac for a flat reciever like yahmaha i prefer onkyo reciever i wander if elac or would sound better on onkyo vs yahmaha yahaha because onkyo marrantz denon pioneer might be to much for i feel that elac is better for the songs that i feel dont sound goood on klipsch sound worse cuz i have klipsch i dont like polk audios low end and they dont have high end subwoofer to go with high end towers klipsch is way more affordable and there dolby atmos speakers are fuller sounding cuz they have a woofer and tweeter dont know if elac does this too
Hallo comunity. Ich brauche für meinen Desktop neue Lautsprecher. In die engere Auswahl sind die elac debut und die diamond 12.2 von Wharfedale gefallen. Höre alle musikrichtungen und eher leise als laut. Kosten bei uns ca das gleiche. Vergleiche zwischen fiesen beiden gibt es nicht. Jemand einen Rat der schon beide gehört hat?
I'm moving to a new apartment, and got a 10% off at Amazon when I filled out the change of address form from the Postal Service. I'm looking at the RP600M in the piano black as my only speakers for a few years. Thank you for the review!
A lot of doors open at 600$, monitor bronze seriies emotive towers, and on and on. I liked the way you broke down the other cost that get them to preform. So the 100 to 150$ Sony 2.1 will never get the reviewed speakers to sound good. Help Randy what do you get first. I’m thinking the emotive that I can add the huge 300basx later on down the road and maybe I should just start with emotive bookshelves but the are hideous. It like when they get the guy that’s best at English to write a litte blurb about a product. I do like your idea of striping out an old cool looking speakers and stick them in there. Keep it coming Randy, also why only occasionally measure with chew bocks. If my speaks aren’t at least 3.5 chewyshigh then there not for me. Your friend on the coast at the bottom of Va there’s a bout 2 million people hear and Best Buy is about the only electronics
It really warms my heart to see you try to integrate back into society since your traumatic brain injury. Kudos to you Randy!! Your speech patterns have really improved so keep at it. Don't be discouraged by those other mental issues (minor lapses in cognitive ability, etc.) continuing to be a problem. That should improve over time. Just remember to take your meds, buddy. Great review!!!
It's a joke. I've been poking fun at his early onscreen persona for quite a while. To my knowledge, he's just naturally spaced out and has not had a brain injury.
Nowadays the price of high-quality speakers has plummeted compared to comparable qualities back in the 80-90's. With the above speakers, one can really enjoy high-quality sound at relatively low and fiar price. Maybe on day you should review really expensive speakers(>$10,00) and give your impression compared to the low priced ones.
What I hope to do is to develop a relationship with some manufacturers and have them convince me that their 1000 or more speakers are better than the 500 speakers.
I too would like to add......., but the side panel on the Klipsch is larger in both height and depth, and of course it will resonate LOWER then a smaller slab of wood. (think of a marimba) Get another speaker of the same size for each model, and try that again, I would certainly like to see more 'knock' tests lol. One little suggestion: perhaps clean those grease/handling marks off the cabinets before the video presentation, they were easily seen. (good thing they were not gloss finish!). Thanks.
these 2 speakers are super ok and forgiving but your microphone is completely not forgiving your drinking all the time ;-) no respect to your subscribers brother just saying
Hung over man reviews speakers. Please send coffee.
Sweaty guys should wear undershirts.
Funny and well informed reviewer.
you are great. keep doing these videos. I especially liked the recent one in which you said "people who keep sending me stuff for review obviously don't watch my videos"
Thanks...I bought em both and I love em both!
Best and the most scientific method of weighing I have seen on TH-cam thus so far...
Thank you. I have calibrated shoulders...
@@cheapaudioman 🤣
I was going to buy Kef, but I am now going with Elac Ref.
thanks Randy for good content.
Did you? How do you like them? I‘m also torn between the two.
I'm new to the HIFI world. Its only been 10 months since I started collecting records and studying about speakers/amps etc. I've been having a hard time on what brand or model should I go for in terms of pricing and sound quality. Here in the Philippines there's limited supply of brands that give decent quality for a speaker and whenever I'm looking for a review of that certain model or brand, it's here in this channel. I'm learning a lot. So glad I saw you.
Good stuff! This was exactly what I was looking for, but I’m still not sure what to buy between the two though lol ... guess it’ll be a good buy either way
Yeah I don’t think you can really go wrong. Personally I prefer the Elac but it’s not a huge difference and both are exceptional
Narrow dispersion(Klipsch) vs wide dispersion speakers(Elacs)
These Klipsch actually soundstage very well. They were no slouch. I think the 600m's soundstage better than my Elac Unif UB5's
Hey Randy very good review. (Sorry my English may be a bit snarky) I've heard the Elac Dr62 are hard to drive. I just don't know which amplifier works good with it. I would like to know if an amplifier Iotavx Sa3 is enough, or is it better with Pa3. or should i choose the xtz edge a2 300 amp? Thanks see you later on the next interesting video 📹!
DB62 have been an easy load. I use my Blue Sound PoweNode 2i @60W without a hitch nor hiccup. :)
@@Revelator2025 Hey, thanks for your answer. I sent the Elac's back and bought the Polk r200, plus Musical fidelity m2si and Bluesound node (130). Hello
I bought a pair of reconditioned klipsch rp-600m for $389 with free shipping ...
Cheap audio can be good sound
Great video.
Do you know that there are higher range Elacs?
I watch you at 1.5x!
On the elac is that port a transmission line?
Yeeesss s&m album 🙏🏻🙏🏻
The higher pitch could just be due to the Elac's smaller cab.
Also, I wonder if it's an absolute fact that the stiffer the cabinet the better it sounds. Because I doubt that if you'd form the Klipsch or Elac cabinet from concrete, they'd sound much better. I thought I've read somewhere that a certain sound characteristic from the (wooden) cabinet is needed.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
@@Wuppie62 well it all about damping unwanted vibrations. There are concrete loudspeakers. But if not done correctly, they would ring at certain volume settings/frequencies. One youtuber diy guy did a test of several materials & found mdf to be the quietest. I would like to try a double layer of .5" mdf held together with a thick layer of silicone adhesive.
@@porkchopspapi5757
If you're going to glue layers of mdf on eachother, my guess is that perhaps you might just as well try berch multiplex straight away..
Because I know that in the world of PA's, the cheaper speakers and Subs use mdf for their cabinets, while the better sounding (top-)models use the more expensive and stronger ((scandinavian) berch) multiplex.
@@Wuppie62 Some do. And the very high end use a material of their own design.
@@porkchopspapi5757
Could you point at one or more examples of 'materials of their own'?
P.s.: multiplex = plywood
Overall dynamics and impact , Randy??? I have a hard time believing most similar passive speakers best the horns dynamically. Presence with movies and rock?? Yet another typically stronger characteristic of traditional Klipsch
Keep doing these! I like the format. Good delivery.
Thanks, will do!
Making a claim about the LS50 metas losing it to these two at third of a price is a bold statement! Respect for saying that, because all other reviewers just seem to keep on ranting on how the Metas are amazing. Good to hear a different opinion.
I cant tell much difference between $2,000.00 B&W 706 S2 and Elac dbr62 Reference, now $700.00. I have both. Why pay 3x for the same sound?
@@peterbaugh51 makes perfect sense to me! I had a pair of debut 6.2 and they were chocolate!
To the speakers manufacturers gently asking to quit bi amping and putting the saved dime in better bracing and better crossovers that actually have real sonic gains.
Your description of listening to Johnny Cash: priceless!
Someone got really mad about that about a month ago. I thought it was kind of funny. They, however, did not.
I just bought the Elac Debut 2.0…. Totally blew me away. It’s an excellent speaker. I’m moving away from my klipsch. My ears don’t enjoy the horns any longer
"More.....it weighs more...." funniest audio guy out, he doesnt even know it either
Beginning today you had 1.99k end today 2.13k. Binge watched today. Sorry I can only subscribe 1 time. Keep the esteem high, my bro.
Which do you think would work better being closer to a wall? I'm assuming the Elac because of the front firing ports...
Elac's are way more balanced to me. It is imperative that you use high quality amps with above average power to get the optimum out of the Elac's. The Klipsch can get away with low budget amps in my opinion.
Like thumping a watermelon. Cheers from the South Carolina Lowcountry.
Resonant frequency is part bracing but is also cabinet size. Frequency is inversely proportional to wavelength.
I bought these to compare to my 686-S2's and i am keeping them. The RP600M fills a room very well and they are half the price of my BWs.
Now you're talking Cheap Audio Man language! Good for you, my friend.
@@cheapaudioman well sort of .. I have rouge audio tube amp .. but the speakers hold up well with it
Sir, can you step out of the car for me.
Randy! Randy! I don’t know where your from but you speak speakers and audio plainly with out pretentious talking down to people. Like you were born with a golden ear. Thanks from the East coast.
I like how you mic your throat so we can hear you slurp your drink.
Not. Geez. Do you mind?
You're just Great!!
This is much more enjoyable to watch and listen to than the regular hi end people on yt
Appreciate that so much.
from your video of selling the klipsh speakers you say the sub isnt the best... whats going on?
Good job, I enjoy listening to you talking about audio !
We need amp reviews
Audio Science Review does those.
I actually love St Anger. Thanks for the comparison.
I'm not much of a Klipsch fan but if you're going to be an audio reviewer since they are one of the oldest Brands out there you should out of respect at least pronounce their name correctly. Klips?
Just got the RP600M, running them bi-amp'd on my Pioneer vsx-84txsi via external DAC. Love'n them!
Lol "..more. Weighs more."
Yes, a good catch.
That the Klipsch is better on female voices! I have a pair RP-600m heavily modified though, but I enjoy females vocalist tremendously.
Now I got a hint of why that may be..
Think the litle lower crossover point @1500Hz compared to Elac @2200Hz may influence a little bit.
How are they modified and did it change the sound significantly? Was it the GR Research modification?
@@cheapaudioman Yes it is a GR research modification:
th-cam.com/video/a-nuVNOeCXY/w-d-xo.html
Address the cabinet issue and so on. It is just comfortable to know that the caps is matched (individually measured and matched with the same value in the kit). No electrolyte no sand cast no iron core and floss gauge inductors no PCB, half number of solder points, tube connectors so no ferrous material in the signal path. Cables directly solder to drivers. And nores on the inside of the cabinet.
How does it sound before and after.
To be honest I can't say..
I just got in 2020 this dedicated new listening space that I did not have any dedicated before and needed to be in the living room there I use B&W 804.
So I did not had much time with them beforehand and I have done a lot alteration rapidly to get the space as good sounding as possible (several changes at once).
So not only fixing the RP-600m I also built my own mono blocks that is car battery driven (like GR research use and have), built sound absorbers and bass traps, installed DSP plus many more things.
So I can't tell what the difrence is when the whole rig were in a flux state. I actually thought that I maybe should buy another pair second hand just to be able to compare..
I just think that doing all that modifications with higher quality parts can't make it to sound worse anyway.. But it is not like that you get a completely new speakers at the end of the day it is the same drivers anyway.
But I will probably not do that because of time constraints, I rather put time and money on the current projects to finish them instead.
I am building two passive open baffle 18" and I have a modification of my TT to do so I can adjust VTA on the fly.
I just stumbled upon your video and I like it!
Have a nice weekend.
@@AmazonasBiotop I looked him up and he is only about an hour and half from me. I think I’ll see if I can go out there and have a talk with him.
@@cheapaudioman please do that. I would try to get to hear his OB speakers. When that type of speaker is not easy to audition in the first place.
And to get a grip on if OB is something is to your liking and something to pursue.
That is good experience and knowledge to get in my opinion.
I think it is good to save up and build something reel amazing. Instead pouring in money to upgrade the RP-600m that is still will be a box speaker if you like the OB type.
Unfortunately I am in Sweden and for me it gets little bit of a hurdle to buy the OB cabinet and ship them from one guy and buy the rest from GR research and ship those plus add import taxes on top..
And I need to do all of the work, yes I am maybe little bit handy. But paint and finishing is not up to snuff.
But if you like what you hear and Danny can probably recommend painters and such if you can't do it yourself.
And when you live in USA and can just pick it up then it is a different value proposition I think. :)
Mic'ced drinking noises are killing my joy for this channel
Sorry. I edited them out soon after this video. Totally understand.
@@cheapaudioman Doh, thanks. Guess I'll have to enjoy more of your content!
nice review, klipsch rule because of the female voices and they are also made in colour - black. otherwise i would choose the elac.
Yeah, I'm not into Klipsch. I trialed the Elac Uni-fi UB52 against Kef Q150's, and the Kefs won out no matter how I tweaked and how much I broke in the Elacs. Back they went.
Then I upgraded to the LS50 Metas and was blown away. No regrets!
Hi, I am considering an upgrade from my q150 that I love to the ub52. What was it that you didn't like about the ub52? Thank you!
Randy, a few comments on this. I think that the tighter bass on the Elac is because the port is quite a bit smaller which results in a more sealed like sound versus ported. I think that the better imaging on the Elac is from it's closer driver spacing making it closer to a coaxial speaker than the Klipsch and would be superior in a nearfield situation. The cabinet resonance on the Klipsch can be improved with some NoRes which is one of the improvements that Danny at GR Research recommends for the RP600M. His suggested modifications can put the RP600M in a high end sound class. Finally, I think your distaste for the KEF LS50 is because you value bass more than pristine and neutral sound as well as price value, and I am right there with you on that. Great job as usual.
You sir are the boss, please tell me your pissed ?
Legendary if so!
Sorry’ I’m British 😉
Had the 160m's which were similar to the 600's but currently own the DBR62'S. I will say that the Elacs demand proper speaker stands, well isolated, if you want to get the best bass response out of them. In my room, the Elacs had much better bass response than the Klipsches despite being close spec-wise. I agree with your sentiments though, you really can't go wrong with either speaker. Also, both are very transparent regarding equipment matching and scale very well.
The more speakers I review the more that I start to disregard low end specifications. While the speaker may hit that number and probably does, the balance of the speaker's sound signature would prevent anyone from getting that out of the speaker without it becoming shouty and overtly bright. The way the crossover is designed is so much more important that the low end specifications so that when one does hit that lower end it's balanced with the rest of the sound signature. I've always felt that Elac does that very well. Thanks so much for watching. I've got a pair of RP400m's on their way which is very exciting.
@@cheapaudioman nobody ever gives the little Klipsches a good look, so I'm curious what you'll find. Cheers!
Elac boy
Fantastic comparison between the two speakers, and the thing that draws me to your videos the most is that you slurp and gulp coffee while making your videos. That is a key essential to making videos that keep people engaged. I think that the average youtube content creator is missing out by not slurping and drinking coffee or some other beverage. The only thing that could be better would be if you ate food at the same time as well. If you ever decide to start doing that, please be sure to chew with your mouth open.
One of the better audio review channels.
Just found your channel, cool comparison!
One thing to note though, bi-amping on a AVR isn't really going to offer any improvements (which you noticed). When you see watt measurements from AVR they're usually only quoting 2 channels running. Even though they have a configuration option in the AVR to bi-amp really at that point you're just splitting the power from the power supply to more amps but won't see any real improvements. Can always use pre-outs to another power amp though.
Appreciate the heads up on that. My consumption of power is a fraction of the actual rated power of the amp or receiver. Id estimate that my usage is less than 4 watts based on the SPL distance and room gain and sensitivity of my speakers. Some day I’d like to get two discreet amps and see if I can tell a difference.
@@cheapaudioman One that doesn't break the bank but still sounds great is the IOTAVX PA3. Can work in Stereo or Mono (bridged).
@@snowrang3r657 I’ve seen that. Looks promising
"Klips"
Great delivery of information. Very laid back. Keep up the good work.
Just bought the Wharfedale 11.2s....hope you mention these in comparison. Watching now.
Elac weighs more…. How much more? [lifts Elac, then lifts Klitch] . More.
ha. I forgot I had some funny stuff back then
@Randy
Several reviewers mention and praise the dynamics and the liveliness (and 'live' like presence) of the Klipsch RP600 over other - maybe more 'accurate/analytical/neutral' - speakers. 'Engaging' is a word often used.
You didn't mention something similar in your 'list' of aspects or comparison, if I'm right. Could you elaborate on this?
Thanks!
I've gone from the RP600M to the DBR62 and lived for over a year with the 600M. The Klipsch are more lively, but come with a caveat to their cabinet faults. Also the driver isn't as seamlessly crossed. They are more sensitive and louder and like to party. The ELAC are significantly better in natural tendency to just show you around the performance and not shout it. I considered redoing the crossover and dampening per gr-research but just decided the ELAC were a better deal as soon as I compared them. I bought both used so, there's that too.
I bypassed the tweeter crossover with a copper MiFlex cap on the ELAC as was rewarded with another layer of grit being removed from the top end and yet another widening of the sound stage. Totally worth the $40. I drive them with a 25 watt Firstwatt Aleph J and they do just fine for the 70-80db I listen at in the evenings.
Randy needs more sleep.
I like how you broke a sweat to lift them up to weight them.
I choose these Elacs over other speakers on my computer desk, first they are not as deep (27,5cm similar to Edifier S2000MKIII) as these Klipsch, second, front bass port. I run them with Loxjie A30. Very happy with overall SQ. I also tested KEF Q100 which was too bright and fatigue with higher volumes and weak on bass, also tested MA Bronze 2.
These Elacs are well balanced neutral speakers with big power on hit. On Metallica - Metallica (Black Album) they are perfect, not fatigue, and very detailed. I also noticed as Randy said treble goes live when volumes are bit higher.
He didn't mention, Klipsch need be 2 feet from wall due to rear port, ELACs more flexible in placement.
I also have the Kef q100, they sound great but are very amp sensitive for sure. Some amps did sound fatiguing while others did not. My marantz sr 4021 sounded best with them and the q150
Also i think the best affordable speakers are : Wharfedale Diamond 11 series , EVO series and Elysian series designed by Peter Comeau. They sound and look like speakers that cost 3 or 4 times more , they are unique and very good built. I HAVE SPOKEN
listened to the evo 4.2, listened to a few adelle songs... was wonderful.
@@JohnB-ws4ge True ;)
What's an amp/reciver u would recommend for the Elac speakers would a Marantz SR5013 do the trick?
Hi I’m new to your channel, I have an Aiwa 5 disc cd changer with cassette and turntable. Do you think klipsch rp-600 speakers would be a good upgrade? The aiwa speakers are 150 watt!
Randy, wouldn't it be a good idea to get yourself a sturdier table to do the show ? Your solidly founded presentations tend to lose credibility with that shaky table you're now using...
I got a new table.
hi sir , I am planning to buy either klipch 600 M or elac unifi 52 which one do u recommend me the best ..
Hey Randy. I don't know if you go back and revisit comments from "old" vids. If you do, I was just wondering if you ever tested the Elac DR on the Reisong A10 or your Reisong MT34 MkII? Measurements say the Elac is only 86dB sensitive compared to the Klipsch's advertised 96dB. Is one better than the other with these amps?
Great job dude, I bought both after watching your vid, 600m for $329 Elac for $489. 504c $384, and atmos 500sa for $300. Get to switch around the Elac and 600m between fronts and rears now.
So Randy, I just got the rp-600m's at $250 coming from the r-610f's, and the rp-150m's at $210 coming from the r-41m's. Will it be much of an upgrade?
How DBRs compare to KEFs Q350 for everyman's room conditions, 6-8 feets listening distance ?
It is not understandable that somehow the higher range Elacs are not known in the US. And obviously not available, are they?
@Cheapaudioman I am planning to go for Elacs DBR 62 for home cinema, do they need subwoofer?
I really want to klipsch but I keep hearing the mid range sucks how do I make it better file want to purchase possibly the 500 m. They will be used for music when I want to listen to my music loud and I listen to all sorts from rock , country to Old school rap and home theater use. I also would need a built-in bracket such as the clips do Unless you can point me in the right direction to the overall speaker. I have 2 subs so the bass isn't primarily
some music has different tone of bass mids treble some songs cut offf at 40 60 some go down to 20 i agree with vocals though klipsch has amazing vocals and i love alanis morisette she does sound amazing on klipsh i like higher vocals i have issues with rock and country having harsh trevble and highs on the i e s and male female vocals no mater how high low they hit and guitars sound harsh on some songs on klipsh i feel elac a guitar sounds way better than a klipsh depending on how you ajust it on some mixes i prefer the johnny cash version verson but i like nine inch nails too some i disaggree some songs mix the guitar differently like guitar solos are usually focused on center channel metalica sound better with klipsch and yahmaha is a very bad combo too flat no matter how you ajust it so use elac for a flat reciever like yahmaha i prefer onkyo reciever i wander if elac or would sound better on onkyo vs yahmaha yahaha because onkyo marrantz denon pioneer might be to much for i feel that elac is better for the songs that i feel dont sound goood on klipsch sound worse cuz i have klipsch i dont like polk audios low end and they dont have high end subwoofer to go with high end towers klipsch is way more affordable and there dolby atmos speakers are fuller sounding cuz they have a woofer and tweeter dont know if elac does this too
Hallo comunity. Ich brauche für meinen Desktop neue Lautsprecher. In die engere Auswahl sind die elac debut und die diamond 12.2 von Wharfedale gefallen. Höre alle musikrichtungen und eher leise als laut. Kosten bei uns ca das gleiche. Vergleiche zwischen fiesen beiden gibt es nicht. Jemand einen Rat der schon beide gehört hat?
It’s not counter intuitive. Easy rule of thumb is this- “A 20hertz sign wave fully oscillates at 20 feet”
I'm moving to a new apartment, and got a 10% off at Amazon when I filled out the change of address form from the Postal Service. I'm looking at the RP600M in the piano black as my only speakers for a few years. Thank you for the review!
Thanks for the review. I have been debating on wether upgrade my polk s15. Do you think the Klipsch RP600M would be a substantial upgrade in sound?
Oh yeah....I have the S15 and it is a significant upgrade.
Super upgrade you will like the musical change.
Fake the s15 is Better ❤polk💪
Good info on the speakers, but hearing the coffee gulping is really rough.
Have'nt you drink since you came back from the jungle or what?
I really appreciate this! I'm debating between these two right now. Also this isn't the point at all, but you have a nice voice and a killer beard.
I will bet a dollar to a donut that his wife and children call him the cheap Audio Man
Klipsh vs B&W bookshelf’s? I have the 686-s2 but not satisfied by voice quality .
Hi, do you thing elac would do well with topping mx5?
A lot of doors open at 600$, monitor bronze seriies emotive towers, and on and on. I liked the way you broke down the other cost that get them to preform. So the 100 to 150$ Sony 2.1 will never get the reviewed speakers to sound good. Help Randy what do you get first. I’m thinking the emotive that I can add the huge 300basx later on down the road and maybe I should just start with emotive bookshelves but the are hideous. It like when they get the guy that’s best at English to write a litte blurb about a product. I do like your idea of striping out an old cool looking speakers and stick them in there. Keep it coming Randy, also why only occasionally measure with chew bocks. If my speaks aren’t at least 3.5 chewyshigh then there not for me. Your friend on the coast at the bottom of Va there’s a bout 2 million people hear and Best Buy is about the only electronics
How do the rp600m compare to the rb61ii?
RuPaul mo betta than RootBeer imo
It really warms my heart to see you try to integrate back into society since your traumatic brain injury. Kudos to you Randy!! Your speech patterns have really improved so keep at it. Don't be discouraged by those other mental issues (minor lapses in cognitive ability, etc.) continuing to be a problem. That should improve over time. Just remember to take your meds, buddy. Great review!!!
It's day by day right now. Some are good and some are not so good...
Obviously.
@@cheapaudioman Bless you man...your a good dude!!!
I never knew he had a brain injury. Before or after he started videos? How did you find out, did he make a video about it?
It's a joke. I've been poking fun at his early onscreen persona for quite a while. To my knowledge, he's just naturally spaced out and has not had a brain injury.
My Preis Klipsch rp600m 350e this is 380$.
Nowadays the price of high-quality speakers has plummeted compared to comparable qualities back in the 80-90's. With the above speakers, one can really enjoy high-quality sound at relatively low and fiar price.
Maybe on day you should review really expensive speakers(>$10,00) and give your impression compared to the low priced ones.
What I hope to do is to develop a relationship with some manufacturers and have them convince me that their 1000 or more speakers are better than the 500 speakers.
I too would like to add......., but the side panel on the Klipsch is larger in both height and depth, and of course it will resonate LOWER then a smaller slab of wood. (think of a marimba) Get another speaker of the same size for each model, and try that again, I would certainly like to see more 'knock' tests lol.
One little suggestion: perhaps clean those grease/handling marks off the cabinets before the video presentation, they were easily seen. (good thing they were not gloss finish!). Thanks.
Thanks for watching, Gary and I appreciate the feedback.
these 2 speakers are super ok and forgiving but your microphone is completely not forgiving your drinking all the time ;-)
no respect to your subscribers brother
just saying
Completely understand and I figured out how to edit that out. I may reshoot this video for that reason. Thanks for your feedback.
Thanks for the review.
One sounded like Moe and one sounded like Shemp
The Klipsch are $377 right now
Good demo 👍🏼 and info 👍🏼 thanks. UK
Why do you hate klipsch
Polish subtitles please
Really enjoy your style and format. Enjoyed watching!
You always choose elac
What does 'sound imaging' and 'sound staging' mean?
Fine work no bs thank you.
did you do a review on the R41M ?