@@cheapaudioman Hahaha that makes it even more fun!! You like the same stuff just the same. * Can you tell me if the Elac DBR 62 is "power hungry" in your opinion? I've heard that
Mission said music is the master, technology is the slave. These days we forgot about this because we are blinded by expensive things we do not understand thinking oh well must be something behind it. And yeah there are some few notable exceptions. But overall is a marketing win win experience. And I highly recommend Steve Guttenberg's advices. Or this channel, that basically reminds us to trust our own ears not others.
Thanks, Justin. Let's hope that we get enough waves going to get some people to send me some stuff and then I won't go bankrupt. Because that would suck.
@@sthr2110 I'm actually hoping to get this thing rolling and actually get some decent lights instead of lamps with 100 watt naked bulbs. But for right now it kind of plays into the schtick.
First timer... LOVE your reviews! Don’t change a thing! 💪🏽 Your format, love of music, and purpose of finding the best audio components for the money is sooooo professional, and unique! Thank you in advanced, bro, as I continue to listen to the rest of your videos! 👍🏽👐🏽
I have the Klipsch 600M's as the front stage in my home theater. I've been very pleased with their performance thus far. i have not used them for two channel listening yet.
My first time and I think I can safely say that we all remember our first time. Really enjoyed the show and the fabulous presentation. Maybe the reason I enjoy John Darko and the Audiopheliac so much is they don’t take themselves tooooo seriously. Yet my strong impression is that you truly know what you’re talking about even though it’s often phrased as “I like this one better.” That’s what its all about, isn’t it? I want to enjoy the music and not feel that I have to be anally analytical about how vibrations get to my ears! So, count me as a fan, and someone who has been saving his dollars in hopes of better enjoying the music I like by buying a pair of RP-600Ms.
Thanks, Rick and I hope that your first time was not only memorable but also that you don't feel awkward or embarrassed. The first time can be rough but everything is going to be ok. Appreciate the comments. I really enjoy Darko. He has a very good podcast where he really does a deep dive into design characteristics with the engineers. Love Steve G and that he actually reviews/mentions affordable gear.
Never heard the BR03 and Elac but Klipsch RP600M base performance and surprisingly well scalable. And what i mean by that is the better amp they get the better they are. It's one of the reason for people that want to improve their system with time to buy and keep those speakers.
I have the BR08’s and I think they are great, I’m gonna add the BR03 for surround speakers. There’s lots of love out there for the BR03’s so opinions are subjective lol
Slight correction on the bass and the back wall - bass is pretty much omnidirectional, and the only difference between front and rear - is the rear port gets closer to the back wall sooner. Placement closer to the back wall will boost the bass, because the omnidirectional bass doesn't have to fill the space behind anymore. When any speaker is placed out into the room it has to fill the whole "sphere" around it. And when you move it closer to the wall that "sphere" is truncated and the energy that the speaker puts out is increased by having to fill less space.
Thanks for the heads up on Salazars wrestling apparel, I am constantly in need of good wrestling apparel and you have filled that need. Well done sir. :)
Great review, thank you. I tried all tree speakers and Debut b6.2. BR03 sounded the best for me with bluesound node 2 or sonos streaming, and movies. the BR03 sat in the middle sound wise, the elacs sounded dull. Used Outlaw amp and Denon AV receiver for movies .
During my listening career I have had quite a few speakers. I started with some acoustic energy 109s and then moved on to Heco Celans. Currently I have a pair of LS50s, a set of Quad 12l2s and a set of B&W 606S2s. I also auditioned a lot of high end speakers. Out of everything I have had the 606S2s are the best. Never have I heard instruments so lifelike. I know they are little more expensive than 600 but to anyone reading this if you have little more try the B&Ws before you decide.
I was going to buy the BR03s for my daughter but decided to buy the DBR62s. For a variety of reasons. The build quality of the Elacs seams excellent, like the cast baskets and heavy boxes.
@@CinemaDemocratica I set them up on my system. The are really nice sounding speakers. I would say as described by most reviewers. Clean, clear sound, plays good even with the volume up a bit, good bass for a bookshelf (I would still recommend a sub) they look great (white) and I am very impressed by how heavy and solid the boxes are. I own the Polk t15 and the Elacs blow them away, as expected. I would recommend them if you don't mind the price.
@@ericnortan9012 They're probably too rich for my blood unless the stock market really tanks in the next few weeks (I'm triple-short right now) but I'm really intrigued by the brand. The other issue I have is that I live in Cambodia and stuff is next-to-impossible to get here and even harder to send back if necessary. I run a pair of Edifier s2000mkiii's and I am *super* happy with them -- I paid $300 but that's Cambodia prices; the US price is (I think) more like $550, but you get an amplifier stage and a surprisingly good DAC.
@@CinemaDemocratica Right on. You would think Cambodia would have lot of choices for stereo equipment considering the location. Admittedly I don't know a lot about modern Cambodia. Though I do know some of the history, good and bad. From what I have seen it is a very green, picturesque place. I'm old (52) and grew up in the "seperates" era. I like all my equipment plus I am an electrician so messing with things with wires is in my nature. I can definitely appreciate a more simplified system that does the job.
"In my opinion... whatever" this shootout seems different from all your others. It seemed as if you were apologizing for your opinion and you weren't having as much fun as your other videos. Love your videos irreverent humor and honesty.
I do want to do a "Between 2 Speakers" interview. I reached out to Andrew Robinson but he hasn't responded. Going to reach out to Steve Guttenberg and see if he'll do it. Thanks for the compliment.
The regular man! I like his reviews because it sounds like the guys I worked with.... carrying on a conversation while digesting that bean burrito and cheap beer.
Elac would be my pick for 2 channel only, but for movies and music I went for the 600m. I do think the efficiency is only like 90-91db though not the advertised 96db
The 600’s are good for dialogue for sure. I’ve run them in my room with no center and they were great. Also great for music too. Can’t go wrong with them.
Love this shootout! Nice work. Would have loved to see the UB51 in there as well. Or someday the UB52. I just bought a pair of UB52s to replace my front channel UB51s. They UB51s are now my rear channels. Looks like my home theater is becoming an Andrew Jones showcase. 😅
It is interesting that no one comments on how these speakers sound for classical... how close to a concert hall. In the late 60s, 70s and 80s it was about not adding color-brightness or boomy bass. I had moved from KLH entry level to KLH 5s in 69, same speakers as George Szell, famed conductor of Clev Orch, still magnificent. Added Ohm C4s for a different location, still great concert sound, and Celestian DSL6 acoustic suspension in the 80s for my office which I have now moved into my home and considering replacing. Of course my 3 stereo receivers, which I have replaced as necessary (and 10 years ago my decision was based on weight, not merely specs - but quality capacitors protected by substantial heat sinks to keep initial specs constant - which is why Macs have lasted) have more at least 100 "continuous" (peak is different) watts per channel with great specs years ago... probably off by now but still fine. So after much thought have decided to keep my Celestians which due to the quality of sound produced by acoustic suspension speaker, which are more expensive to manufacture, so the Theil approach with multiple speakers and sub woofers has taken over. But with vinyl back decided to get a new turntable, my dual stopped a decade ago and I can make audiophile quality CDs on my denon recorder player. My point is that I assume the 3 speakers will sound good, but compared to an acoustic suspension SL6 depends on the form of music and placement... and the reviews are dependent on ears not necessarily experienced in listening to a world class orchestra playing Brahms, Bach and Beethoven in a great hall. I do appreciate the humor and lack of self-importance of this reviewer! However, there is a massive distinction between playing jazz, Jagger, or R & B and the great symphonies - also all the graphs do not measure the subjective nature of how close any speaker reproduces accurate concert hall sound. Klipsch years ago made massive and truly remarkable speakers, so wonder how these bookshelves do on classical.
💯 I like this guy but with every reviewer there is a subjectivity scale in multiple categories. I always take CAM’s thoughts with a high subjectivity to rock. The triangles I have heard are more impressive with classical and jazz.
Great shootout! I know I've said this before, but absolutely love coming over to your channel! It's just great! Kudos to getting Mr. Jones to comment too! That totally rocks! Can't wait for the next review Randy! Cheers and here's to cheap but good audio! - Ron
Man, this dude looks like he breaks into a sweat just eating a ham sandwich. I dig how he keeps it real and did not redo the video because of the piece of cake on his nose. I actually bought a pair of ELACS because of his reviews.
Another great review but I've noticed some in your audience are concerned about rising cost on the speakers you are reviewing feeling like you may be stepping slightly beyond the "cheap". For me what would be important is knowing if the $400 + speakers are 2 or 3 times as good as the $100-$200 speakers. You know for me I would pay $300 for a pair of speakers that sound as good or better than speakers costing 2,3,4 or several times more money. The JBL L1's definitely do that for me. Did you ever watch Thomas@Stereo review of the elac debut 6.2. He was very impressed comparing them to speakers costing much much more. STICK WITH BANG FOR BUCK in you reviewing, I know many will appreciate that....and thanks a lot for listening to your audience and making appropriate adjustments. I really do like the new treble intro much better than your previous one. Thanks for that.
This price level is really about my ceiling. And to your point, I do believe that these are 3-4X better than the 100ish speakers. For me, this is the level where the law of diminishing returns truly kicks in. Are they twice as good as some of the sub $300 speakers... kind of. There is just so much more air that can be displaced with the larger drivers. I'm doing a sub $300 6.5" woofer category next week and that is probably going to be the sweet spot for most people as you get maybe 70% of these at around half the cost. I think this level of speaker can truly be a final destination speaker for most. I know it is for me unless a company sends me a $1000 speaker and I can truly say that it's twice the speaker as this category.
Salazar's also makes photorealistic paintings of the many different types of German sausages, for use in your dental office waiting room or municipal airport lobby.
I had the Klipsch 600 paired with an Emotiva A-300 amp and it just wasn't a good pairing. Went with the Fluance Reference Floorstanding speakers and much much better. Not that sparkling highs that the Klipsch had but the Fluance midrange was just pure silky smooth butter and with dual down firing woofers, the bass was much better and fuller.
I'm disagree with you ! I have those speakers and others like the JBL studio 530, the Emotiva B + ,the Kef Q150, the Magnepan MMG and the Quad 57. The Triangle is a very enjoyable speaker and a easy going choice for is sonic attributes. Sean from Zero fidelity talk about it with details.
Please dont apologize Randy!?! If those critics have issue with you being YOU, want a slicker production and commentary, then they can tune to Andrew Robinson's channel! I appreciate your lay point of view based on your many years of seasoned listening experience. I have 30 more listening years than you. I'm sure, like me, you've experienced many different loudspeakers and your "ear" is well tuned for your spectrum of "real/true" sound enjoyment. Anyway, after seeing your other responses of the Elacs, I'm sold on them. Thanks for this Saturday entry! Keep on and please, don't apologize unless you're going to wear that Lucha Libre wrestling mask!!!! 😉
This is pretty much my shortlist amongst a few others for sub £500 here in the UK pending availability. After several unsuccessful listening tests wondered if you have taken a retro speaker and explained the modern differences with something comparable. For example, I have a pair of Gale GS210 that are going strong but can't help I am stuck in my ways and am missing a trick!
you didn't enjoy the BRO3 the first tie you listened...or the second time, so how come they're on this 'best speaker' shootout? you basically disagreed with almost every plus other reviewers have commended these for. I'm probably forgetting something from the day before (this vid was posted Dec 12th, the BRO3 review on the 11th), so I'm looking forward to being enlightened or the rationale to put up something you didn't care for. ;)
@@cheapaudioman Will check it out! I was actually thinking about upgrading my B6.2 to the reference instead. Also looks like Elac will release a new Reference model soon.
This channel is getting better by the day! Haha. Keep it going! Funny story is I recently was at a best buy wanting to test out ELAC speakers. They weren't on display but he told me they were junk. I had to walk away.
I auditioned the original Elac b6's there and didn't end up getting them til later. The magnolia listening room isn't an ideal place to listen to speakers. All the bookshelves are well... on bookshelves and all the same distance and all hooked up to receivers. The Elacs b6's don't have the top end sparkle as more consumer oriented speakers so they often sound less desirable compared to others in a situation like that but they're phenomenal after someone spends some time with them.
@@phantasm1004 they don’t get any training and the ones that do probably aren’t interested enough to care. It’s a weird world for audio. The traditional go to market is dying and there are few places to actually listen to reasonably priced equipment. Best we can hope for is a solid return policy with free return shipping.
My dealbreaker not to get the Klipsch was their tiny sweetspot due the horn. In my experience They have to be toed in just right, otherwise the music had no juice
I kind of found that they did a decent... and I stress the word, decent... job regardless of placement. However, I can understand that. I'm still impressed. I could hardly listen to Klipsch 10 years ago.
Coincidently, Sean at "Zero Fidelity" did a video to compare these same three speakers. He describes their sound characteristics differently. I suppose the differences can be caused by room acoustics, break-in period, and equipment matching among other things. How long do you typically break-in equipment before evaluations take place? Do you evaluate them with a variety of different amplifiers? It would be nice to hear you talk about your opinions on which affordable amplifiers match-up best with which speakers.
The Bro's were broken in for 50 plus hours. And frankly, if I need to run a speaker for 100 hours to break in then it's not the speaker for me. Amps I used on this were the Emotiva TA-100 and the Anthem Integrated 225. The Elacs and 600M's I've had for 6 months or so and they're very well broken in. Sean is way smarter than I am and comes from the industry so I'm sure his take is much more valuable. My experience with the speakers and I've lived and enjoyed the 600's and the Elacs for months before I ever even thought about starting this channel. I don't think the Bro's have the top end of the Elacs let alone the Klispch. They don't have the midrange or the top end clarity to my ears and for me is the least desirable speaker of the three. Not saying that some won't love them, simply relaying what I heard. Unless one is really into a "laid back" and veiled speaker then the bros need a very analytical amplifier and even when I hooked them up to the Anthem, I didn't notice them getting any better. I'd love to get some more affordable NAD amps in to see how they do. And I considered that maybe the room was affecting the sound accept the Bros were in the same position as the others. I try to eliminate as many variables as possible so I can just listen and then relay what I heard. I'm unsure of whether or not Sean actually A/B/C'd these speakers or just kind of shared his thoughts on them from memory. I can... maybe see that if someone just commented about them from memory coming up to the same conclusions as he did but I just don't see how someone could say the Elacs are more laid back than the Bros if they're actually A/Bing them.
@@maynardbecker4613 How do you know for sure that anyone doing a review on TH-cam isn't getting paid to endorse something? You either trust them or not. Better yet, go test the speakers yourself and then trust your own ears. Unless of course you're also getting paid to endorse that product you're testing - then you're in an X-files situation: Trust No One....
Really enjoy your content a little humor goes along way; especially these days. I'd be curious to know what equipment you used in your testing of these speakers it would help folks make a better decision or understanding if their outcomes will match your evaluation equipment. Did you try them with a class D amp or any other than the TA 100 ? I have the Triangle and the Klipsch in my home and what I've found is my Klipsch are incredible with my A/B amp and the the Bro3 is incredible on my class D amp reverse them and the Klipsch is bright and the Bro3 lacks detail. You can't lose with any of these but they need to be amp paired correctly for the sound you prefer.
I use an Emotiva TA100 and an Anthem Integrated 225 for my testing. You are right on the money with the Bro3's. They need a class D for sure otherwise they lack detail! Thank you!!! I am vindicated! People love their Bros...
Well you might recall me commenting on other videos saying I got the Q150s and love them, but I forked out the extra $139 and ordered the RP600m to try., They’ll be here tomorrow! It sounds like you’re predicting I’ll send the Q150s back. We will see. My very observant eyes noticed from your nose that you might have gotten into some ice cream after the mid range break too haha
If you can, having a pair of Q150's and the 600's really compliment each other and offer different flavors to enjoy. I really don't think there is one "best" speaker or end game speaker for anyone. I think two different speakers with different sound signatures are great to have at the same time. Put one set away for a while and then bring them back in and fall in love with them all over again.
@@cheapaudioman Yeah, I would love that. For now I have to just pick one, though. We will see if it is an easy choice for me or not. I foresee it being a little bit tricky. Luckily a lot of retailers have extended return periods at the moment. I’ll report back with what I find!
amazing comparison video thank you! feeling a bit of a metal bias but as a full time jazz listener, would you say the elac is the best for clarity and definition? not using for video, only music -Thanks
Randy I really like your videos. I think they are funny and really informative. Greetings from germany! I wish you just the best for your channel. But as far as I can tell you're doing great. Keep 'em coming :)
Ah and by the way. I just got myself a pair of Elac DBRs. My first pair of quality speakers after the edifier R1280Ts. I really really like them, but I also think they are a little on the warmer side in the lower mids. Do you have a recommendation for a budget amp? I'm thinking about the Denon PMA600NE but I heard it's also rather warm.
yeah. That denon is really full on the bottom and probably wouldn't compliment what you're trying to achieve. I'd say look at some of the NAD's in the same price range or a Musical Fidelity Ms2i or something used.
When they closed out the Polk LSiM 703 you could get a pair for $600.00. They had originally cost $1,800 per pair when they came out. Now I know you like a deal, but that was a steal. The bass has to be heard to be believed.
Another video, do you ever sleep? Seriously though thanks for this video. I am going to upgrade my 25 year old system in 2021 after getting the Sony SS5C on black friday and my CD player dying recently. My budget for speakers is $600 - $700 perfect timing for my research. Any plans on reviewing any integrated amps in the $700 - $1000 range?
"I really like the sound of this speaker. Now, the pair you buy is going to be a completely different size and dimensions because the company likes to play around with enclosure size and I support them for that because it shouldn't matter." That's what it sounds like to me when a reviewer says that room-placement shouldn't be a big deal for a speaker.
Awesome again. Just subscribed. Please review SVS. I know the Prime bookshelf is rather expensive for what it is but I would be interested. From a fellow former drummer.
Hell never mind elective surgery, some of the high end audio costs as much as a house. That's crazy. In 2003 I got divorced and one of many issues was my stereo. Not having a lot of disposable income I set out to put together a kick ass system I saw a pair of Infinity interlude IL50 speakers reviews mostly favorable( owner reviews) and pro reviews for IL10s put the system together for$750. Had a Rotel pre-amp processor, bought a used Carver Av705x, $450 it's a beast. Think I did pretty good. Wouldn't trade the speakers, only had to repair one of the sub amps last year 16 1/2 years not too bad. Like your reviews, a regular guy who loves good sound. Sorry about being long winded. Replaced the preamp with a Marantz av7005. That made a big improvement.
You write as much as you want. Love the system. I have a used Anthem Integrated 225 which is an absolute beast and a Oppo blueray player I got off FB marketplace for $60. As well as the new stuff I have
Writing the comment I'm listening to The Eagles Farewell tour from Melbourne and with this system and the 80" tv I'm There in the front seat. What amazing musicians, every note crisp and clear vocals and harmonies are just some of the best.
You had to plant the seed of doubt in me with the Triangle all very positive reviews except you. Didn't you say on other videos Elac was kind of boring and you got rid of the Klipsch speakers?
Great review as usual, Randy. Do you think that you'll be able to review any of the Tekton full range towers in the future? It would be awesome to hear your take on the Double Impacts and the Moab.
I'd love to get some towers. I've personally always preferred a nice set of bookshelves with a sub as it gives me more freedom of placement and I like to keep two different flavors of bookshelves so that I can switch them out and enjoy a different sound signature. More difficult to do with towers. Although, I think I have some coming in
Do a section of the best 4 inch, 5.25 inch and 6.5 speaker it would be interesting. I would like to know what is the best 4 inch speaker, because my room is small (2.5 x 5 meters)
Try to look into crossovers of sub 600usd speakers and often electeolitic or cheap poly cap on the tweeter makes tweeters zippy and harsh .... Quick 25usd replacement for quality poly caps will do wonders in airness, imaging, clarity and detail .
Newbie here. Looking at the Klipsch RP600M's for $320 on sale, seems like a no brainer; No? Maybe only thing would be their size for a desktop, they seem big but I'll have to see. Currently auditioning the Klipsch R-50M which sounds good (my current speakers are old Infinity RS2000's; which I'm having a hard time replacing for under $350 these days). My use is music only in a small office space. The R-50M's are $300 on sale; worth the extra 20 bucks?
Just bought a pair of RP-600M. At €350, I'm not sure if I am an idiot for buying a pair of speakers I don't actually need, or if I'm a genius for getting them at a bargain price.
@@cheapaudioman Guess I could always turn into a reviewer if it keeps on going like this. Monetizing my own stupid addictions instead of facing them seems like a smart move! :D
This is one of those reviews that I've watched before pulling the trigger on the #ElacDBR62. And I never regretted it. I'm extremely happy with it and enjoying every single second when I'm listening to music. Thank you @cheapaudioman and keep on reviewing. All the best
I actually love your lack of professionalism! Refreshing.
Thanks. It not easy to do...
@@cheapaudioman haha 😀
".....i'm just an idiot on youtube."😂😂😂 spoken like an true profressional
totally
I really think cheapaudioman is a pro at what he does, with a very unique style.
I am laughing and I have cramps at my belly because of the sponsor... great idea!
This is Wonderful!!!
Never change.
I love hifi in this price category and I appreciate your sense of humour
It's a bit of an acquired taste. Some more serious audiophiles do not enjoy it
@@cheapaudioman Hahaha that makes it even more fun!! You like the same stuff just the same.
* Can you tell me if the Elac DBR 62 is "power hungry" in your opinion?
I've heard that
This is definitely the every man’s audio channel. I love it. I don’t feel like I have to wear an ascot while listening.
Can’t stop watching your internet tv. I feel like I’m watching Zach Galifianakis do a quasi serious speaker review.
You know what I like about you? You give your opinion of what your ears hear - not a whole bunch of graphs to justify your comments! Don't change!
Mission said music is the master, technology is the slave. These days we forgot about this because we are blinded by expensive things we do not understand thinking oh well must be something behind it. And yeah there are some few notable exceptions. But overall is a marketing win win experience. And I highly recommend Steve Guttenberg's advices. Or this channel, that basically reminds us to trust our own ears not others.
So impressed that Andrew Jones is watching your show! Seriously, you are making waves in the audio world.
Thanks, Justin. Let's hope that we get enough waves going to get some people to send me some stuff and then I won't go bankrupt. Because that would suck.
"waves".. I noticed that
@@cheapaudioman - what? Didn't you apply for a 1.5 million dollar PPP loan?
Makes you wonder if CAM is on Elac's payroll. ;)
The hardest working guy in the audio review business if you figure in video production quantity!😉🤗😇
@@sthr2110 I'm actually hoping to get this thing rolling and actually get some decent lights instead of lamps with 100 watt naked bulbs. But for right now it kind of plays into the schtick.
@@cheapaudioman Its fine just the way it is and the way you are.
It has seriously been great watching the channel grow... and so quickly!
Holy shit, man. Who even is this guy
@@josecortes2328 it's, me, Jose... Randy. I'm the Cheap Audio Man
First timer... LOVE your reviews! Don’t change a thing! 💪🏽 Your format, love of music, and purpose of finding the best audio components for the money is sooooo professional, and unique! Thank you in advanced, bro, as I continue to listen to the rest of your videos! 👍🏽👐🏽
Thanks!
I have the Klipsch 600M's as the front stage in my home theater. I've been very pleased with their performance thus far. i have not used them for two channel listening yet.
Turn off the room correction and throw on some music and enjoy
It's as if John C Reilly and Will Ferrell had a love child
You are the man!
I bought the Elacs and the KRP600M's also the Sony SS-CS5's. I rotate them in my living room. I swap em out. I love em all.
Amazing video buddy. Took your advice and bought 4 simple sets of headphones and took it to my local Toys for Tots.
That's awesome. Good things for you, my friend.
You can tell this is vintage Randy. He didn't say "grab a cuppa coffee" :)
"..my internet TV show" haha
Hey RandyI had elactall eye surgery can't see anything but my speakers sure sound good😕love the show...
My first time and I think I can safely say that we all remember our first time. Really enjoyed the show and the fabulous presentation. Maybe the reason I enjoy John Darko and the Audiopheliac so much is they don’t take themselves tooooo seriously. Yet my strong impression is that you truly know what you’re talking about even though it’s often phrased as “I like this one better.” That’s what its all about, isn’t it? I want to enjoy the music and not feel that I have to be anally analytical about how vibrations get to my ears! So, count me as a fan, and someone who has been saving his dollars in hopes of better enjoying the music I like by buying a pair of RP-600Ms.
Thanks, Rick and I hope that your first time was not only memorable but also that you don't feel awkward or embarrassed. The first time can be rough but everything is going to be ok. Appreciate the comments. I really enjoy Darko. He has a very good podcast where he really does a deep dive into design characteristics with the engineers. Love Steve G and that he actually reviews/mentions affordable gear.
Never heard the BR03 and Elac but Klipsch RP600M base performance and surprisingly well scalable. And what i mean by that is the better amp they get the better they are. It's one of the reason for people that want to improve their system with time to buy and keep those speakers.
I have the BR08’s and I think they are great, I’m gonna add the BR03 for surround speakers. There’s lots of love out there for the BR03’s so opinions are subjective lol
Slight correction on the bass and the back wall - bass is pretty much omnidirectional, and the only difference between front and rear - is the rear port gets closer to the back wall sooner.
Placement closer to the back wall will boost the bass, because the omnidirectional bass doesn't have to fill the space behind anymore. When any speaker is placed out into the room it has to fill the whole "sphere" around it. And when you move it closer to the wall that "sphere" is truncated and the energy that the speaker puts out is increased by having to fill less space.
Thanks for the heads up on Salazars wrestling apparel, I am constantly in need of good wrestling apparel and you have filled that need. Well done sir. :)
love the retro vids!!!!! you have become so professional now a days. you are my favorite audio guy!
Really good videos, your channel is gonna get big
I have no earthly idea why... I'm literally just babbling on and making up jokes.
@@phantasm1004 And now he's over 5k.
@@pkdude5334 that means a lot. I just love this stuff and I’m probably not doing it “right” but it has been a ton of fun
@@cheapaudioman You have such a unique style that it makes people to remember your videos.
Great review, thank you. I tried all tree speakers and Debut b6.2. BR03 sounded the best for me with bluesound node 2 or sonos streaming, and movies. the BR03 sat in the middle sound wise, the elacs sounded dull. Used Outlaw amp and Denon AV receiver for movies .
I think the Debut Reference sound much better than the 6.2's as well.
During my listening career I have had quite a few speakers. I started with some acoustic energy 109s and then moved on to Heco Celans. Currently I have a pair of LS50s, a set of Quad 12l2s and a set of B&W 606S2s. I also auditioned a lot of high end speakers. Out of everything I have had the 606S2s are the best. Never have I heard instruments so lifelike. I know they are little more expensive than 600 but to anyone reading this if you have little more try the B&Ws before you decide.
I was going to buy the BR03s for my daughter but decided to buy the DBR62s. For a variety of reasons. The build quality of the Elacs seams excellent, like the cast baskets and heavy boxes.
Would be curious to know your after-purchase reactions, assuming they've arrived.
@@CinemaDemocratica I set them up on my system. The are really nice sounding speakers. I would say as described by most reviewers. Clean, clear sound, plays good even with the volume up a bit, good bass for a bookshelf (I would still recommend a sub) they look great (white) and I am very impressed by how heavy and solid the boxes are. I own the Polk t15 and the Elacs blow them away, as expected. I would recommend them if you don't mind the price.
@@ericnortan9012 They're probably too rich for my blood unless the stock market really tanks in the next few weeks (I'm triple-short right now) but I'm really intrigued by the brand.
The other issue I have is that I live in Cambodia and stuff is next-to-impossible to get here and even harder to send back if necessary. I run a pair of Edifier s2000mkiii's and I am *super* happy with them -- I paid $300 but that's Cambodia prices; the US price is (I think) more like $550, but you get an amplifier stage and a surprisingly good DAC.
@@CinemaDemocratica Right on. You would think Cambodia would have lot of choices for stereo equipment considering the location. Admittedly I don't know a lot about modern Cambodia. Though I do know some of the history, good and bad. From what I have seen it is a very green, picturesque place.
I'm old (52) and grew up in the "seperates" era. I like all my equipment plus I am an electrician so messing with things with wires is in my nature. I can definitely appreciate a more simplified system that does the job.
"In my opinion... whatever" this shootout seems different from all your others. It seemed as if you were apologizing for your opinion and you weren't having as much fun as your other videos. Love your videos irreverent humor and honesty.
Dude, you are like a glorified Train Wreck and I LOVE IT!!!!! Keep the content coming brother and do NOT change a thing!
This train wreck is now sponsored by Salazar's Wrestling Supplies... so I have that.
@@sthr2110 Doesn't make sense but lol
It’s like between two ferns but with speakers instead of people. Except you. You’re a person. A brilliant, magnificent person.
I do want to do a "Between 2 Speakers" interview. I reached out to Andrew Robinson but he hasn't responded. Going to reach out to Steve Guttenberg and see if he'll do it. Thanks for the compliment.
Best comparism ever! Stay tunes! Greetings from Berlin, Germany!
Forget the Super Bowl--it's Saturday Speaker Shootout!!!!
The regular man! I like his reviews because it sounds like the guys I worked with.... carrying on a conversation while digesting that bean burrito and cheap beer.
You are clearly loco, and I like it. Great work. Thanks!
Glad that you have such “amazing” sponsors to continue your channel!👍
No, no script. You are great. Have fun.
Elac would be my pick for 2 channel only, but for movies and music I went for the 600m. I do think the efficiency is only like 90-91db though not the advertised 96db
The 600’s are good for dialogue for sure. I’ve run them in my room with no center and they were great. Also great for music too. Can’t go wrong with them.
Love the Nacho LiBre style of advertising 🤣
He didn't even touch his hair once after he took mask off.... respect!
This is my new favorite channel.
You’re not an idiot on TH-cam, Cheap Audio Man.. You’re OUR idiot Mr Randy man!!!! Love your channel and reviews! Keep up the great work
Love this shootout! Nice work. Would have loved to see the UB51 in there as well. Or someday the UB52. I just bought a pair of UB52s to replace my front channel UB51s. They UB51s are now my rear channels. Looks like my home theater is becoming an Andrew Jones showcase. 😅
It is interesting that no one comments on how these speakers sound for classical... how close to a concert hall. In the late 60s, 70s and 80s it was about not adding color-brightness or boomy bass. I had moved from KLH entry level to KLH 5s in 69, same speakers as George Szell, famed conductor of Clev Orch, still magnificent. Added Ohm C4s for a different location, still great concert sound, and Celestian DSL6 acoustic suspension in the 80s for my office which I have now moved into my home and considering replacing. Of course my 3 stereo receivers, which I have replaced as necessary (and 10 years ago my decision was based on weight, not merely specs - but quality capacitors protected by substantial heat sinks to keep initial specs constant - which is why Macs have lasted) have more at least 100 "continuous" (peak is different) watts per channel with great specs years ago... probably off by now but still fine. So after much thought have decided to keep my Celestians which due to the quality of sound produced by acoustic suspension speaker, which are more expensive to manufacture, so the Theil approach with multiple speakers and sub woofers has taken over. But with vinyl back decided to get a new turntable, my dual stopped a decade ago and I can make audiophile quality CDs on my denon recorder player. My point is that I assume the 3 speakers will sound good, but compared to an acoustic suspension SL6 depends on the form of music and placement... and the reviews are dependent on ears not necessarily experienced in listening to a world class orchestra playing Brahms, Bach and Beethoven in a great hall. I do appreciate the humor and lack of self-importance of this reviewer! However, there is a massive distinction between playing jazz, Jagger, or R & B and the great symphonies - also all the graphs do not measure the subjective nature of how close any speaker reproduces accurate concert hall sound. Klipsch years ago made massive and truly remarkable speakers, so wonder how these bookshelves do on classical.
💯 I like this guy but with every reviewer there is a subjectivity scale in multiple categories. I always take CAM’s thoughts with a high subjectivity to rock. The triangles I have heard are more impressive with classical and jazz.
Great episode as always, would love to see vids on powered speakers like the Kanto TUK, Monoprice MM-5R, Klipsch R-51PM, etc
Want to get some for sure. Maybe need all of you wonderful people to start lighting them up on Twitter to send me stuff
Great shootout! I know I've said this before, but absolutely love coming over to your channel! It's just great! Kudos to getting Mr. Jones to comment too! That totally rocks! Can't wait for the next review Randy! Cheers and here's to cheap but good audio! - Ron
Thanks, Ron. Really appreciate that.
Man, you look like you were having a hard morning. But you still put out a grade video!
Man, this dude looks like he breaks into a sweat just eating a ham sandwich. I dig how he keeps it real and did not redo the video because of the piece of cake on his nose. I actually bought a pair of ELACS because of his reviews.
Another great review but I've noticed some in your audience are concerned about rising cost on the speakers you are reviewing feeling like you may be stepping slightly beyond the "cheap". For me what would be important is knowing if the $400 + speakers are 2 or 3 times as good as the $100-$200 speakers. You know for me I would pay $300 for a pair of speakers that sound as good or better than speakers costing 2,3,4 or several times more money. The JBL L1's definitely do that for me. Did you ever watch Thomas@Stereo review of the elac debut 6.2. He was very impressed comparing them to speakers costing much much more. STICK WITH BANG FOR BUCK in you reviewing, I know many will appreciate that....and thanks a lot for listening to your audience and making appropriate adjustments. I really do like the new treble intro much better than your previous one. Thanks for that.
This price level is really about my ceiling. And to your point, I do believe that these are 3-4X better than the 100ish speakers. For me, this is the level where the law of diminishing returns truly kicks in. Are they twice as good as some of the sub $300 speakers... kind of. There is just so much more air that can be displaced with the larger drivers. I'm doing a sub $300 6.5" woofer category next week and that is probably going to be the sweet spot for most people as you get maybe 70% of these at around half the cost. I think this level of speaker can truly be a final destination speaker for most. I know it is for me unless a company sends me a $1000 speaker and I can truly say that it's twice the speaker as this category.
Best sponsor spot ever! Cracked up! There is such a thing as clarified butter.
Love this channel. And the approach to audio. No snobbery here
Thanks! Some of the snobby people don’t care for me.
You had me with the sponsor bit. This video made a subscriber outta me. That was very entertaining.
Salazar's also makes photorealistic paintings of the many different types of German sausages, for use in your dental office waiting room or municipal airport lobby.
That’s good to know how diversified they are.
OMG you have such a broad range of sponsors! Kudos!
LOL
This is really odd ... you didnt put Elac UB52s in the competition but picked up the reference ones ????
Nice hangover 😵
Is that for real Salazar sponsor? Very funny. Like that short sponsorship.
nope. was fake but I thought funny
You did a great job on this one! Very enjoyable.
I would love to hear your thoughts on the Unifi 2.0 and how it compares with the Debut Reference.
I would too. I have the first generation and I love it.
I had the Klipsch 600 paired with an Emotiva A-300 amp and it just wasn't a good pairing. Went with the Fluance Reference Floorstanding speakers and much much better. Not that sparkling highs that the Klipsch had but the Fluance midrange was just pure silky smooth butter and with dual down firing woofers, the bass was much better and fuller.
Bro i love watching your videos best reviews ever!!
I'm disagree with you ! I have those speakers and others like the JBL studio 530, the Emotiva B + ,the Kef Q150, the Magnepan MMG and the Quad 57. The Triangle is a very enjoyable speaker and a easy going choice for is sonic attributes. Sean from Zero fidelity talk about it with details.
Please dont apologize Randy!?! If those critics have issue with you being YOU, want a slicker production and commentary, then they can tune to Andrew Robinson's channel! I appreciate your lay point of view based on your many years of seasoned listening experience. I have 30 more listening years than you. I'm sure, like me, you've experienced many different loudspeakers and your "ear" is well tuned for your spectrum of "real/true" sound enjoyment. Anyway, after seeing your other responses of the Elacs, I'm sold on them. Thanks for this Saturday entry! Keep on and please, don't apologize unless you're going to wear that Lucha Libre wrestling mask!!!! 😉
These Elacs are something else. They maintain clarity and excitement while still being smooth. Never experienced that before.
Most refreshing and fun to watch audio review channel
😂 “Will Ferrell” does audio! Love this stuff!
Bro, I full gut-laughed at the sponser bit. Nice work!
I owned the Triangle Bro3 for a short while, and they didn't hold a candle to my Epos Epic 2s. I listened to the hype!
This is pretty much my shortlist amongst a few others for sub £500 here in the UK pending availability. After several unsuccessful listening tests wondered if you have taken a retro speaker and explained the modern differences with something comparable. For example, I have a pair of Gale GS210 that are going strong but can't help I am stuck in my ways and am missing a trick!
you didn't enjoy the BRO3 the first tie you listened...or the second time, so how come they're on this 'best speaker' shootout? you basically disagreed with almost every plus other reviewers have commended these for. I'm probably forgetting something from the day before (this vid was posted Dec 12th, the BRO3 review on the 11th), so I'm looking forward to being enlightened or the rationale to put up something you didn't care for. ;)
Came for the speaker information, stayed for the comedy
Elac and Metallica fan here. They were made for each other. Elac Debut is the best speaker for metal. Hands down.
Brother. If you’re ever in the market the CSS Criton is crazy awesome for metal. My favorite speaker for pretty much everything now.
@@cheapaudioman Will check it out! I was actually thinking about upgrading my B6.2 to the reference instead. Also looks like Elac will release a new Reference model soon.
This channel is getting better by the day! Haha. Keep it going! Funny story is I recently was at a best buy wanting to test out ELAC speakers. They weren't on display but he told me they were junk. I had to walk away.
Hmm professionals at work, right? :D
@@MisterReenhaha. yea they have no clue in there.
I auditioned the original Elac b6's there and didn't end up getting them til later. The magnolia listening room isn't an ideal place to listen to speakers. All the bookshelves are well... on bookshelves and all the same distance and all hooked up to receivers. The Elacs b6's don't have the top end sparkle as more consumer oriented speakers so they often sound less desirable compared to others in a situation like that but they're phenomenal after someone spends some time with them.
@@phantasm1004 they don’t get any training and the ones that do probably aren’t interested enough to care. It’s a weird world for audio. The traditional go to market is dying and there are few places to actually listen to reasonably priced equipment. Best we can hope for is a solid return policy with free return shipping.
My dealbreaker not to get the Klipsch was their tiny sweetspot due the horn. In my experience They have to be toed in just right, otherwise the music had no juice
I kind of found that they did a decent... and I stress the word, decent... job regardless of placement. However, I can understand that. I'm still impressed. I could hardly listen to Klipsch 10 years ago.
Coincidently, Sean at "Zero Fidelity" did a video to compare these same three speakers. He describes their sound characteristics differently. I suppose the differences can be caused by room acoustics, break-in period, and equipment matching among other things. How long do you typically break-in equipment before evaluations take place? Do you evaluate them with a variety of different amplifiers? It would be nice to hear you talk about your opinions on which affordable amplifiers match-up best with which speakers.
The Bro's were broken in for 50 plus hours. And frankly, if I need to run a speaker for 100 hours to break in then it's not the speaker for me. Amps I used on this were the Emotiva TA-100 and the Anthem Integrated 225. The Elacs and 600M's I've had for 6 months or so and they're very well broken in. Sean is way smarter than I am and comes from the industry so I'm sure his take is much more valuable. My experience with the speakers and I've lived and enjoyed the 600's and the Elacs for months before I ever even thought about starting this channel. I don't think the Bro's have the top end of the Elacs let alone the Klispch. They don't have the midrange or the top end clarity to my ears and for me is the least desirable speaker of the three. Not saying that some won't love them, simply relaying what I heard. Unless one is really into a "laid back" and veiled speaker then the bros need a very analytical amplifier and even when I hooked them up to the Anthem, I didn't notice them getting any better. I'd love to get some more affordable NAD amps in to see how they do.
And I considered that maybe the room was affecting the sound accept the Bros were in the same position as the others. I try to eliminate as many variables as possible so I can just listen and then relay what I heard. I'm unsure of whether or not Sean actually A/B/C'd these speakers or just kind of shared his thoughts on them from memory. I can... maybe see that if someone just commented about them from memory coming up to the same conclusions as he did but I just don't see how someone could say the Elacs are more laid back than the Bros if they're actually A/Bing them.
How do we know for sure Sean is not getting paid to endorse the Bro3’s?
@@maynardbecker4613 How do you know for sure that anyone doing a review on TH-cam isn't getting paid to endorse something? You either trust them or not. Better yet, go test the speakers yourself and then trust your own ears. Unless of course you're also getting paid to endorse that product you're testing - then you're in an X-files situation: Trust No One....
Really enjoy your content a little humor goes along way; especially these days.
I'd be curious to know what equipment you used in your testing of these speakers it would help folks make a better decision or understanding if their outcomes will match your evaluation equipment. Did you try them with a class D amp or any other than the TA 100 ?
I have the Triangle and the Klipsch in my home and what I've found is my Klipsch are incredible with my A/B amp and the the Bro3 is incredible on my class D amp reverse them and the Klipsch is bright and the Bro3 lacks detail.
You can't lose with any of these but they need to be amp paired correctly for the sound you prefer.
I use an Emotiva TA100 and an Anthem Integrated 225 for my testing. You are right on the money with the Bro3's. They need a class D for sure otherwise they lack detail! Thank you!!! I am vindicated! People love their Bros...
Well you might recall me commenting on other videos saying I got the Q150s and love them, but I forked out the extra $139 and ordered the RP600m to try., They’ll be here tomorrow! It sounds like you’re predicting I’ll send the Q150s back. We will see. My very observant eyes noticed from your nose that you might have gotten into some ice cream after the mid range break too haha
If you can, having a pair of Q150's and the 600's really compliment each other and offer different flavors to enjoy. I really don't think there is one "best" speaker or end game speaker for anyone. I think two different speakers with different sound signatures are great to have at the same time. Put one set away for a while and then bring them back in and fall in love with them all over again.
@@cheapaudioman Yeah, I would love that. For now I have to just pick one, though. We will see if it is an easy choice for me or not. I foresee it being a little bit tricky. Luckily a lot of retailers have extended return periods at the moment. I’ll report back with what I find!
no red tape here just honest opinion love your channel man keep the content coming dude.....just subbed.
Keeping this hobby fun! Well done 👍🏻
Thanks so much
amazing comparison video thank you! feeling a bit of a metal bias but as a full time jazz listener, would you say the elac is the best for clarity and definition? not using for video, only music -Thanks
I found my favourite youtube audio channel!
Much appreciated. I don't know if I trust your judgement now though...
@@cheapaudioman don't trust my judgement, trust your own.
Refreshing video twice on Sunday 😅😅😅 out with the head ache
Randy I really like your videos. I think they are funny and really informative. Greetings from germany! I wish you just the best for your channel. But as far as I can tell you're doing great. Keep 'em coming :)
Ah and by the way. I just got myself a pair of Elac DBRs. My first pair of quality speakers after the edifier R1280Ts. I really really like them, but I also think they are a little on the warmer side in the lower mids. Do you have a recommendation for a budget amp? I'm thinking about the Denon PMA600NE but I heard it's also rather warm.
Guten tag! I'm of german descent. Would love to go back there and meet some of my family
yeah. That denon is really full on the bottom and probably wouldn't compliment what you're trying to achieve. I'd say look at some of the NAD's in the same price range or a Musical Fidelity Ms2i or something used.
@@cheapaudioman Auch dir einen guten Tag:) Hopefully you can visit them very soon. However in the winter you're not really missing anything here :D
When they closed out the Polk LSiM 703 you could get a pair for $600.00. They had originally cost $1,800 per pair when they came out. Now I know you like a deal, but that was a steal. The bass has to be heard to be believed.
I lusted after those when they were available 5 or so years ago.
Another video, do you ever sleep?
Seriously though thanks for this video. I am going to upgrade my 25 year old system in 2021 after getting the Sony SS5C on black friday and my CD player dying recently. My budget for speakers is $600 - $700 perfect timing for my research. Any plans on reviewing any integrated amps in the $700 - $1000 range?
Integrated and receivers are harder for me to get my hands on. I'd love to but I need some traction to get some companies to start sending me things.
@@sthr2110 that' would be difficult too. I mean I have the gmail account and those are really hard to come by
@@cheapaudioman Mid grade guy is taken, don't even think about it 😅
"I really like the sound of this speaker. Now, the pair you buy is going to be a completely different size and dimensions because the company likes to play around with enclosure size and I support them for that because it shouldn't matter."
That's what it sounds like to me when a reviewer says that room-placement shouldn't be a big deal for a speaker.
Best channel on TH-cam!
Awesome again. Just subscribed. Please review SVS. I know the Prime bookshelf is rather expensive for what it is but I would be interested. From a fellow former drummer.
Thanks for a great review
Any time, Mr. Yates.
Hell never mind elective surgery, some of the high end audio costs as much as a house. That's crazy.
In 2003 I got divorced and one of many issues was my stereo. Not having a lot of disposable income I set out to put together a kick ass system I saw a pair of Infinity interlude IL50 speakers reviews mostly favorable( owner reviews) and pro reviews for IL10s put the system together for$750. Had a Rotel pre-amp processor, bought a used Carver Av705x, $450 it's a beast. Think I did pretty good. Wouldn't trade the speakers, only had to repair one of the sub amps last year 16 1/2 years not too bad. Like your reviews, a regular guy who loves good sound. Sorry about being long winded. Replaced the preamp with a Marantz av7005. That made a big improvement.
You write as much as you want. Love the system. I have a used Anthem Integrated 225 which is an absolute beast and a Oppo blueray player I got off FB marketplace for $60. As well as the new stuff I have
Writing the comment I'm listening to The Eagles Farewell tour from Melbourne and with this system and the 80" tv I'm There in the front seat. What amazing musicians, every note crisp and clear vocals and harmonies are just some of the best.
You had to plant the seed of doubt in me with the Triangle all very positive reviews except you. Didn't you say on other videos Elac was kind of boring and you got rid of the Klipsch speakers?
Which is your preference for Woodwind instruments?
probably the klipsch. you'll hear a lot of detail and even some details from reeds. very detailed speaker.
Great review as usual, Randy. Do you think that you'll be able to review any of the Tekton full range towers in the future? It would be awesome to hear your take on the Double Impacts and the Moab.
I'm loving your channel more with each passing review. Love the new "sponsor".
Thank you! I don't know how they find me.
Very entertaining. Veiled (to use your own word) sense of humour. Great, objective review. Keep up the good job.
It's hard to see the jokes in there sometimes...
@@cheapaudioman only your audience can pick that up.
This was an extremely helpful video.
B&W 606 and Wharfdale Evo 4.2 but why waste your time not getting a tower.
I'd love to get some towers. I've personally always preferred a nice set of bookshelves with a sub as it gives me more freedom of placement and I like to keep two different flavors of bookshelves so that I can switch them out and enjoy a different sound signature. More difficult to do with towers. Although, I think I have some coming in
Do a section of the best 4 inch, 5.25 inch and 6.5 speaker it would be interesting. I would like to know what is the best 4 inch speaker, because my room is small (2.5 x 5 meters)
I have a best 5 1/4” one less than $300
Wrestling sponsor... hilarious 😂
Try to look into crossovers of sub 600usd speakers and often electeolitic or cheap poly cap on the tweeter makes tweeters zippy and harsh .... Quick 25usd replacement for quality poly caps will do wonders in airness, imaging, clarity and detail .
Randy, I would be interested in hearing your opinions of the Q-Acoustics 3030i as compared to these three models.
Don’t have them but would love to hear them. Really impressed with the 3020’s.
Newbie here. Looking at the Klipsch RP600M's for $320 on sale, seems like a no brainer; No? Maybe only thing would be their size for a desktop, they seem big but I'll have to see. Currently auditioning the Klipsch R-50M which sounds good (my current speakers are old Infinity RS2000's; which I'm having a hard time replacing for under $350 these days). My use is music only in a small office space. The R-50M's are $300 on sale; worth the extra 20 bucks?
Where'd you find the Klipsch for $320?
open box Crutchfield but they only had two 5 days ago
@@marissaparedes4982 I see. Thank you for the response.
Just bought a pair of RP-600M. At €350, I'm not sure if I am an idiot for buying a pair of speakers I don't actually need, or if I'm a genius for getting them at a bargain price.
If you’re an idiot for buying speakers you don’t need then I’ve got the brain capacity of an amoeba
@@cheapaudioman Guess I could always turn into a reviewer if it keeps on going like this. Monetizing my own stupid addictions instead of facing them seems like a smart move! :D
This is one of those reviews that I've watched before pulling the trigger on the #ElacDBR62. And I never regretted it. I'm extremely happy with it and enjoying every single second when I'm listening to music. Thank you @cheapaudioman and keep on reviewing. All the best