Wow 66 subscribers and now over 100k. Your channel has gotten me excited about getting more serious with my audio equipment knowing I don't have to go broke for good sound.
A year ago, I bought a pair of these DBR62s and gave them 2 subs to play with. What a treat! *They're MY engame speakers.* I have gone through at least 5 pairs of other speakers, but none of those ever sounded "correct." Correct as in that's what music sounds like at Carnegie Hall, the Blue Note, Village Vanguard, and even St. Eustache in Paris. Mine isn't an expensive system. I drive them with an Emotiva A300 which is fed by an Emotiva PT-100. Equalization: flat. Streaming is with an iPad and a Modi 3, CDs through a DVD deck and the Modi coax, and an AT-120 with a Denon high output MC cartridge that the preamp loves on MM input. Symphony orchestras sound quite correct. Solo piano and vocals sound correct. Basie and Miles Davis sound correct. Pop, rock, and hip-hop? I don't know what is correct. No way to tell what the studio mixer has done. But I know more than a few reviewers didn't much like the DBR62s. Some said it's because they aren't sufficiently "exciting." Exciting, like putting a voice coil on a banjo and a tambourine and a kick drum?
Update, I changed my CD Player and I must say the Elac B 6.2's sound a little brighter, a good thing where I am concerned. They sound a lot better overall. I always listen with grills off too. Great review, Thanks !! May buy the RP 600M's too.
Thank you for your honest, wise reviews. Realism is what I want from a stereo because I also play real music. Instruments. Not casio or korg, sorry, Yamaha makes great realistic affordable instruments. No they do not pay me, I chose the best. Elac DBR62 and Douk ST-01 Pro amp combo has made that great, live sound. Like hearing a good band live. Great memories. Not too much cash. Thanks CAM. Great to see a reviewer that appreciates the real. God bless.
Listening to you on Debut 6.2s through a Yamaha RX-V3800 receiver with room correction... Take off the tweeter grills for better imaging and HF response...
HI - i;m a recording sound engineer/producer and i really appreciate the specific detail you go into sharing in your reviews - including song examples. we all know speaker set ups are individual to their environment and listening positions, but i've noticed over 4 videos now you mention punchy clear bass. i've got so say that bass is such a dismissed part of the audio spectrum as most people's experience is having enough level and clarity to feel it right? also music listening has dropped off significantly over the years with stupid audio designs, but if you seek em out you can find superb. this isn't a complaint as you do a very thorough and valuable job. so sorry if this sounds a little long-winded but i think it's noteworthy. and yes i know this is speakers, not cans. i want to share something that you may consider for future testing. i always use my flat response studio cans to listen to reviews but for playing music i've had a lot of variation over the years. i recently wanted a set of cans for leisure - i compared loads and had a bit of a shock. i settled on the discontinued Tribits Quiet Plus - against the X, QP 50, 70&80s, Sony. Sennheiser and others. WHY THE DISCONTINUED? some reviewers said they lack punch - NO they don't at all with all genres (bear with me) but what i discovered was so sweet - no other cans could pick up the subtlety of a fingered upright bass. now i llsten to the odd jazz stuff from trad to modern and fusion (and as a former fusion bass player i know my basses), my music is way broader and goes into deep sub-bass - but this element of the bass being finely balanced with the mid that picks up how a finger sensually interacts with a deep upright bass string and its roll-off ring as well as HOW IT VIBRATES THE WOODEN BODY (and the lreble of how the strings slap a little) is a joy to behold (also glad you mentioned the sustain of reverb in a different review for treble) and i've not found many inexpensive SPEAKERS that offer this sensual pleasure. so i guess what i'm saying is PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE consider making your bass reviews as encompassing as your reviews of the other tones by this fail safe test - but thanks for the detail. oh, and please let us know if you do so with these speakers. cheers
I enjoy your approach to reviewing, it's entertaining and subjectively informative and I'm good with that. I am a big Elac fan, I have a quartet of B6.2's along with a Elac 1010 sub for my home theatre system which I also use for most of my music listening as well. I also have a bedroom system with a pair of B5.2's powered by my venerable NAD 3155 integrated amp. I bought all the speakers on sale so my "bang for the buck" quotient is really high. Although I'm intrigued by the new Reference speaker the price is a deal breaker for me - musicians are always on a budget. I wish you'd incorporate some fine classical discs to really delineate soundstage differences and articulation but hey - Megadeath it is then. Rock on...
I have two newer videos on the b6.2 and 5.2's you might want to check out. th-cam.com/video/KkJ7M0HLl50/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/fcKGCDtP3-E/w-d-xo.html Heck, Andrew Jones himself commented on here.
I have watched dozens of your videos, and many of them more than three times. Using your advice, I have chosen a stereo system for some great friends who are listening to their vinyl LPs on a $65 turntable. (Ugh!) I have chosen the Cambridge AXR100, a pair of Elac B6.2 speakers, and the Fluance RT-83 turntable. Is this a worthwhile system for listening to TV audio, FM reception, Bluetooth, and vinyl records?
When you slap a "Reference" sticker on this Elac line of products and that entails a doubling of price for allegedly not much more "sound quality", or whatever that means in the audiophile world, that's just cash grabbing. This Elac line are for discerning listeners that focus on value not on the old 1% improvement for 2-300% price increase. Where I live the 6.2 are just at the right price. So they're my buda out of the 3.
Hello there, I have a hard time choosing - B6 first Gen. or Debut Reference. So far I understand the first ones are most fun capable? I found both of them almost in the same price range - 300/360 euro. I would like the better imaging - the accurate positioning of the instruments ( + the mid range + details) of the Reference, but that well described stage of the B6 does not let it go for me .. ? I gave up tuning the things I own. I start from scratch. It is like the fidelity in the photography - you can not have it all - it can not be perfectly detailed and without every possible little imperfection and in the same time with amazing 3D pop - like you are there in the scene...
I have the elac ub5. It's very smooth but hard to drive. I prefer the klipsch but they are way different. They're really about even one is smooth and reserved the other dynamic and slightly forward. Klipsch is the home theater king IMO.
The number of times the cue cards were adjusted in this video? 30.Interesring.Very interesting. Hey, how about the power output to be mentioned next time, (if it is not too much of a trouble)? Thank You..
I ran the B6.2 off a old class A Yamaha hybrid and a small Nad power amp. I find the Yamaha is not overly bright and fairly balanced. I find the Nad more bright in the top but still enjoyable. The Yamaha is definitely better for higher volumes. Emotiva gear I have owned had a tendency to be a bit cool.
I have the 6.2s paired with a Cambridge Audio CXA60 amp and agree they can be a little fatiguing. Was listening to the MFSL reissue of the first B52s album and the female vocals were a bit tiring after a while. Bass sounds tight and snares seem like they're right in the room with you. Need to figure out a way to relax things a bit. Do you think a small sub would help?
Suggestion.......purchase the crossover DIY upgrade kit(GR Research) for the 2.0 B6.2 and you will have a pair of speakers that will be on par with 1k-2k bookshelf's.....well worth the $345.00. the B6.2 has good internal bones. Also, take that tweeter grill off, pop the ring with a screwdriver !! I really enjoy your content as I am a huge ELAC fan.
Supposedly the upgrade puts them in a league of $2,000.00 + bookshelf's..... I'll let you know after the holidays I'll be doing the upgrade. Well worth the money and GResearch is no joke.
@@michaelross8036 do you have the values of the new components? Like capacitors and inductors etc. I just reviewed the 6.2’s today. Need to edit the video and it will go up tomorrow
@@cheapaudioman sorry I do not but they are stated in the GResearch video of the upgrade. I'm not going to order the upgrade kit and install until after the holidays.
I need another pair of speakers like I need a hole in the head, but your enthusiasm for Elac has me wondering how they would match up to my Ascend Acoustic Sierras.
@@joelopez7459 Well I would agree, and disagree. I bought both the Debut Reference and the Unifi 5.2 Starting with the Debut, the clarity is not as good as the Sierra, but the soundstage and imaging is much better. The unifi is a much better speaker in every way but bass extension. Clarity is off the charts better, and soundstage and imaging is stellar compared to the Sierra. You’ve heard the term veiled before? That’s the Sierra compared to the Unifi. Unifi is butt ugly compared to Sierra. But I prefer my music to be beautiful over the box. Saving up now for the Gr Research he just built. Ps. I’ve got a sub, so bass extension is not an issue for me.
I own a pair of Klipsch RP600Ms that I really dislike and find them way too enhance sounding and super fatiguing when crank them (I often listen to music through my speakers at shouting volume in a party setting). I was just about to order the Elac B6.2 because they are on sale right now but this video made me hesitate when you mentioned how they can lean in the bright/fatiguing direction when cranked. I would rather not spend the cash on the debut reference. Do you think im still going to find the B6.2 rather warm and rolled off coming from the Klipsch? Is there something else I should go for? I think the regular debut wouldnt be tight enough in the lows. I definitely prefer a gentler speaker on the top end because I listen to a lot of abrasive music like techno and death metal and the Klipsch's are way too much for that.Thanks
Have you tried facing the Klispch straight out into the room and putting them a bit closer to the wall? This may tame the top end a bit and add some bass. However, the b6.2's have a much more pronounced top end than the original and you are right, the bass on the original can be sloppy. At the volumes you are getting at you're going to want a 6.5" woofer for sure. The Debut Reference would be my recommendation but it's expensive. I found mine for $480 open box. I don't think you'll find the 6.2's rolled off compared to the Klispch. They are definitely not rolled off. If they are too much for you try putting on the grills and if that's still too much tape a couple pieces of tissue on the inside of the grill where the tweeter is. That's also a trick you can try on your Klipsch to see how they sound. Headphone people have been doing it for a long time and the same thing works on speakers.
Anything would work that's about 50 watts a channel. A really warm amp will hide some of the detail and a brighter amp will bring it up a bit. Not enough to make a significant difference though on these. They play well with everything I've had them hooked up to.
Just realized I’m so much of an Andrew Jones fanboy that I have ALL of these three speakers in different rooms. Plus the Unifi in my office. The B6 is in my bedroom. B6.2 in a home theater set with B5.2s as surround + center. And the new reference DBR63 in my dining room. I really enjoy the updates with the front ports in these, enabling flush placement with the furnitures. It makes sense if you want it to disappear and not stub the toes on speaker stands and cables. The first Debut B6 has back ports, and I still prefer that over the RP600m (yes I have that too, also finessing the tube amps for a softer horn sound in my office). But my god, my absolute favorite just has to be the Unifi and my journey with Elac stops there. The space and imaging makes me draw in air and breathe big. No other speakers I own does this to me that is so good, it’s physically and sonically comforting. Personally, I think The Unifi will still hold its own for years to come against the Kefs and Buchards. The 6.2 and DBR63 will also still matter. The original B6 does show its age in a bigger room, turning it up, the poor bracing and box construction you will definitely hear. Having said that, doing a room EQ fixes a lot of the problems with the B6. It’s been a fun ride with Elac. Can’t wait to see what Mr. Jones does next. I’ll probably buy those too!
I like how you compared all three. Thanks for posting consistent content. We appreciate it man. I wonder how the elacs stack up against the older pioneer bs22.
Great videos and very informative. You know I bought the Elac debut recently, but I can't help it but wonder why these speakers are way more expensive here in Australia than USA? Even if our dollar was just half USD, we still should only be paying around $500 for the Elac Debut or UB5, but they're charging almost $800 here in Australia. I just can't work out why we're paying so much more here? Australia and USA have a FREE TRADE, so why is it Australia elacs are almost double?
They obviously use different woofers - do you know any differences in the tweeters, and/or the crossover design? Are there wave guides behind the screens? When I got into audio quality - it was like you, I'm sure - because I love listening to music. And at first it was BASS - I had to have bass. And my first pair of speakers that I bought for myself, were Bose 501 - a friend works there, and they were a good price. And man, did they have bass! But as I got farther into it, and got more experience - I have come to appreciate *tweeters*. Which then leads to how well the crossover works, by blending the drivers, and getting out of the way. How clear and transparent is the window that is the audio system - that lets you hear the recording / music?
@@cheapaudioman - I'm late to the party...and I might be wrong but...I think the OP meant...the grill covering only the tweeter, not the full/main grill covering the whole speaker?! That's how I read/understood it?! I understand some Focal tweeters are the same - sound better with their own separate tweeter "grills" removed. Great videos...keep them coming! Cheers...
After watching all your Elac speaker reviews I've decided to opt for the 6.2 its in my price range. I've not received it yet but am looking forward to listening. By the way love your videos, you explain everything in a way some of us non speaker experts can understand. 👍
Ordered my b6.2's mid Feb, (in UK) not even dispatched yet, demand seems to far outstrip supply at the moment...i'm looking at you Randy for the cause of that
I respectfully disagree with the monkey and skull placement. The monkey should be given to B6. The B6 has too layback treble and boomy bass that make my eardrum hurt (no kidding). B6.2 fixes that two issues and tightens up the bracing to reduce the box resonance. The bass from B6.2 is just tighter and more defined. The treble from B6.2 is much more detailed and articulated but not bright to my ear, partially thanks to the DAC Topping E30 I was using. E30 rolls off after 15kHz so compensates the top end of the B6.2. Overall, I think the B6.2 revamped by Mr. Jones is the best bang for the buck among the three.
Elacs by far. May not be 6x better but much better. I answered one of your other comments about this and hope you saw it but wanted to cover it again just incase you didn't.
With due respect, it's difficult to compare a $73 speaker to a $600 one, they're obviously in two completely different price ranges. Also with due respect, if you have both, you should listen to them for yourself and make the determination for yourself, others can only give you their subjective opinion on the speaker, relating their own experience, yours may be completely different, audio tastes and preferences are very personal and subjective. Finally, and again, with all due respect, hopefully you can hear the difference between $73 speakers and $600 speakers, then you can decide if the $600 speakers are worth the added $500+ expense, if they're not, you might be happier saving some money. My point is simply that nobody can tell you what you're going to like, you need to hear for yourself. A quick story to illustrate my point. Many years ago when first shopping for hi-fi speakers, I went to a store to listen to Bowers and Wilkins speakers, specifically the 805s, bookshelf speakers which I had read/heard a lot of great things about, they retailed for about $2,500 US. Anyway, when I got to the shop they had the lower line 600 series set up, something which I had never heard of as I was just starting off in my audiophile quest, and considering how it was much more in my price range, I listened to it. Well, I can honestly say the B&W 601 S3 speakers which cost $600/pair are still to this day, maybe 20 years later, one of the best speakers I have ever heard. Personally, I did not particularly like the 600s(smaller) or the 602s(bigger) though. While I was there, I told the salesman that I wanted to hear the $2,500 805s so he switched things for me and I had a listen, and let me tell you, I was totally blown away by what I heard because I completely HATED the speakers, I thought they sounded terrible, far too cold, sterile, dry, and analytical, it actually took my music apart and dissected it such that it didn't sound coherent at all. I could also tell that they took much more power to drive to get the same volume levels. What's the point of the story... a $600 speaker can sound better than $2,500 speakers, at least they did to me, and I only knew this after I was able to hear it for myself, otherwise I would have never believed it. So I bought those B&W 601 S3 speakers and have been happy with them ever since, at least until recently because now I'm actually trying to downsize my system and go for a more minimalist aesthetic. I've bought a few other speakers over the years, JBL, Klipsch, Polk LSIM speakers, some more expensive, some less than the B&Ws, and each sound good and have different strengths and weaknesses, but I cannot say any have been better. Am I telling you to buy B&W 601 S3's, no(although I do still think they're a great speaker, among the very best I've heard at any price, and I've heard speakers costing six figures), just that ultimately you need to listen for yourself. Also, listening is a skill that is developed through repetition and reflection, in a word, practice, it takes time. I'm not trying to talk down to you, just saying that if you have both speakers you really should listen to both of them yourself and decide which you like better, and after you've done that, what anyone says shouldn't matter. Let me put it this way, I'm not gonna let anyone else tell me how to eat my steak. If you like it rare, fine, if you like it medium-rare, fine, if you like it well done, fine, but I don't, I like my steak cooked medium and it doesn't matter to me what you say, the same goes for my taste in speakers. Trust your ears and trust your gut, you're the one experiencing it for yourself and no one else will experience it exactly the same as you do. And remember, when it comes to music and speakers, it's completely subjective, there are no wrong answers, just differences of opinion and preferences. Try to have fun and enjoy the music, in the end, that's really what it's all about, at least it's what it should be about.
@@mydogskips2 Look em up. I have a set of JSE Infinite Slope Model 2'S...Those are my sweet speakers. I'm just having fun with these book shelf speakers. I have a few sound systems in the house. My JSE's are callin the cops....It's happened.
cheapaudioman : Elac Debut 2.0 B 6,2 or Elac Debut Reference ? which speakers have a clearer sound? which loudspeakers have better treble? which speakers have an open sound?
The b6.2 has more pronounced and clearer treble. They don't have as open as a sound as the b6 or the Reference. The Debut Reference is a combination of everything that is good about the b6 and b6.2 while being more refined.
@@marez_3936 the b6.2 is more forward. I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily clearer though. The b6.2 is a much brighter speaker but less balanced than the Debut Reference
I am so curious about the Elac's, not that i need them but because everyone is raving about them and they are priced right. I could always move my B&W 601 S3's to my bedroom.
I have been looking for something like this for a while. I bought the Elac B5s back in the day when they were the hottest speakers around. My conclusion was that they are near perfect for music but found them to be a bit warm for home theater. Vocal clarity was the biggest issue with my C5. I think the B5.2/6.2 are going to be more well suited to home theater.
This is a stretch, but is there any chance you could team up with your engineer friend and do a tutorial on how to refresh the internals of old speakers? For instance, I’ve got a pair of 30 year old Mirage 360. Apparently crossover parts, capacitors, etc can be upgraded? Whadya think about that?
That gets complicated. And yes it’s capacitors, inductors, and resistors for cross overs. I wouldn’t suggest redesigning the crossover but trying to determine the values of the existing crossover and then purchasing new parts with tighter tolerances. Redesigning the crossover would require measuring both drivers for their frequency response and even with computer modeling it requires tweaking after the fact. For what it’s worth if you want to give that a try that’s where I’d start but I’m not sure how much that would impact the sound.
6 ohms. but even 4 ohm speakers can and will run on 8 ohm receiver because impedance is dynamic and normally bottoms at the lower frequencies. I've never had a 6 ohm speaker shut down an 8 ohm amp/receiver. I've had a 4 ohm put the receiver into protect but not as often as you'd think.
about to buy the references. Will couple them with NAD D3045, a technics 1200 and lossless apple music airplay from an old airport express. Thanks for providing reviews using simple and reasonable words, unlike most of hi fi magazines.
@@djb5864 I’m about to sell them. Sound is too warm, lacks mid and bass is redundant. This make most songs muddy and voices not clear and sharp (I use it also as tv speakers through the D3045 hdmi arc). Probably my environment is part of the problem, but it’s quite a large room and they are spaced well, plus the front facing reflex should not have much issues with placement, but still. Also the front protecting grills contribute to this, removing them makes them slightly brighter: a big design fail imho because I have kids and don’t want to remove protections. Another possibility is that they are hard to drive and the D3045 is not powerful enough.
Where do the Q Acoustics 3020 fit in when comparing the Elacs ? My guess you definitely prefer the Debut Reference. Are the worth the price difference?
The Q’s I think are closer in sound to the klipsch than the elacs. They’re very good. Very detailed and well balanced. If you’re looking for more of the Elac reference sound in the price range the KEFQ150 is probably a better comparison. Personally I really enjoy both.
Y not also the UB52 as its price point matches Reference DBR62.. This is the Cage Match comparison that I'm looking for as I will be purchasing one of these two as soon as I can figure out which 1 is the best.
I'd love to get my hands on the Unifi UB5.2 but haven't found a great deal on them yet. I'd imagine that they Unifi is going to be more neutral than the Debut Reference but the Reference will probably soundstage better. Either way, they'll both be good I imagine.
@@cheapaudioman Thank you for your response. I guess it comes down to One being a 3 way and the other a 2 way I understand it's all in the crossover. Is it more efficient to have 3 separate speakers each doing its part or 2 speakers of which one has to provide midrange and bass.....how does this effect overall sound... any thoughts?
@@petebakke6167 on a well integrated crossover a 2 way can sound just as good as a 3 way. Personally, I think the Unifi UB5 series is aimed at a more audiophile listening experience while the Debut is a bit more exciting with better sound staging. With that said, I do think that the Unifi first generation that I own have a flatter frequency response than the Debuts. I was listening to the UB5’s last night and the takeaway I had was that they are polite and do everything they’re supposed to do and do it well but they’re just missing the little bit of magic that the Debut Reference has. I don’t know if that makes sense but it’s the vibe I got and I’ve had them for over a year.
@@cheapaudioman Well from all the reviews that I have found comparing The DBR62 Reference vs UB52 the 52 edges out the Reference.... I imagine it all comes down to personal preference.. It sounds like you might have a better chance of Auditioning the UB52 s. I would definitely be very appreciative and excited to have you give us a Definitive Conclusion... ELAC Send the @cheapaudioman a pair of UB52s. ASAP..... Peace brother an thanks for ur great channle an pro insight..
I have the 6.2s and whilst certain tracks make my jaw drop they sound so good the inconsistency is ruining these for me. Are the Reference less picky for rock music ? The 6.2s are almost schizophrenic or is it just me? the Love your channel mate. Keep it raw and real. We have enough Audiophile tossers online already.
An issue here is the Reference is more than double the price [$599 USD] of the B6.0 and B6.2. This is an informative video but Randy isn't comparing apples to apples
Update as of 2020. I bought these(elac b 6.2) and thought they were OK. A little dull sounding. So I bought a new premamp (Emotiva) and use it with and old QSC power amp (class C) Still not good . so I bought a new power amp(Emotiva) Still not good . So I bought a new DAC (Schiit) Still not happy. So I bought a new CD player. Not good enough. Then I did something crazy, I pulled out and old pair of Wharfedale Diamond V from many years ago. I haven't used these speakers in 15 years. To my surprise they sounded much better than the Elacs . I have done room treatments and I will try the Elacs again. There is something about the midrange I don't like.
Randy, I am subscribing to the channel but with hesitation. Let me explain. I love and appreciate the information, observations, and honest opinions about the equipment. Thank you for that. My hesitation is caused by the presentation. You seem to be very slow at communicating the information. I don't expect you to be as efficient as the more experienced youtubers, but hopefully it will improve over time. In particular, I don't like the frequent coffee gulping and belching interruptions (not pleasant sounds). If you have a caffeine addiction, hopefully you can pause the camera or edit those out in the future. Looking forward to future improvements.
@@cheapaudioman Let's talk about engagement. From a presentation design perspective, the above feedback has merit. Typically, messaging that's clear, concise, and well paced helps to engage (and retain interest). Think Joe n Tell or Techno Dad. Let's talk about brand. It's important to establish a "brand" and separate yourself from the comps. Clearly, you've done that. By using "plain talk", looking at notes, w/periodic "sips" and campy transitions, you come off as very genuine. Think Dennis Miller meets Mr. Rogers. Final thoughts. As your channel grows, expect increased critique. That's a sign your "recipe" is working enough that listeners share out of care or envy. LOL. Maintain the core recipe and tweak it w/o wholesale changes.
@@cheapaudioman - you should already know this but you offer more than a dry hi-fi channel. Your measured comments/references really make this channel and are your unique selling point (Bill Murray-esque). The information seems structured but not scripted which gives a relaxed feel, and the coffee is the cherry on top, edited or otherwise (sorry Mark N.). Hopefully you know this already though. I've subscribed twice if you are unsure how much weight to give my opinion (and recommended you to friends, who will no doubt ignore it, but hey...).
@@misterroboto571 thanks so much. That means a lot. I have notes and occasionally think about what I’m going to say but usually I’m just rolling with it. Been a ton of fun. Someone told me I needed a teleprompter
How wouold he do that over an Internet connection and TH-cam compression... You wouod never hear what the speaker sounds like unless you were sitting beside him..... That and you are probably listening on your phone or laptop 😂
Ill be hooking them up tomorrow 👍 exchanging my wharfdale Diamond 220. Do you have a tip on what would be the perfect amp for the elacs? IM rundning a marantz pm6004. Maybe i need more power?
Wow 66 subscribers and now over 100k. Your channel has gotten me excited about getting more serious with my audio equipment knowing I don't have to go broke for good sound.
Can't believe you only have 66 subscribers. I always learn a ton from watching, and it's also very entertaining! Thanks much for all that you do.
I kept the original B6s Im glad I did. No shortage on high frequency in my setup
A year ago, I bought a pair of these DBR62s and gave them 2 subs to play with. What a treat! *They're MY engame speakers.* I have gone through at least 5 pairs of other speakers, but none of those ever sounded "correct." Correct as in that's what music sounds like at Carnegie Hall, the Blue Note, Village Vanguard, and even St. Eustache in Paris.
Mine isn't an expensive system. I drive them with an Emotiva A300 which is fed by an Emotiva PT-100. Equalization: flat.
Streaming is with an iPad and a Modi 3, CDs through a DVD deck and the Modi coax, and an AT-120 with a Denon high output MC cartridge that the preamp loves on MM input.
Symphony orchestras sound quite correct. Solo piano and vocals sound correct. Basie and Miles Davis sound correct.
Pop, rock, and hip-hop? I don't know what is correct. No way to tell what the studio mixer has done. But I know more than a few reviewers didn't much like the DBR62s. Some said it's because they aren't sufficiently "exciting."
Exciting, like putting a voice coil on a banjo and a tambourine and a kick drum?
What you have to say about thier sountstage.
He says in the video that there is no height to it.
The sound is surround, fills the room. Deep bass if you have a good amp. Douk ST-01 Pro does great.
Update, I changed my CD Player and I must say the Elac B 6.2's sound a little brighter, a good thing where I am concerned. They sound a lot better overall. I always listen with grills off too. Great review, Thanks !! May buy the RP 600M's too.
600's are a special speaker. I've actually got a comparison on the b6.2's to the 600's th-cam.com/video/DG06KUbQeFc/w-d-xo.html
I have the original b6’s and I use them for my front high channels on my 7.2.4 atmos setup... love them.
Thank you for your honest, wise reviews. Realism is what I want from a stereo because I also play real music. Instruments. Not casio or korg, sorry, Yamaha makes great realistic affordable instruments. No they do not pay me, I chose the best. Elac DBR62 and Douk ST-01 Pro amp combo has made that great, live sound. Like hearing a good band live. Great memories. Not too much cash. Thanks CAM. Great to see a reviewer that appreciates the real. God bless.
thank you for a concise, laidback comparison. I would prefer blind testing.
That looks like a damn fine coffee. Thanks for your vids. No BS ... honest and recognizable. Cheers from Holland.
Listening to you on Debut 6.2s through a Yamaha RX-V3800 receiver with room correction... Take off the tweeter grills for better imaging and HF response...
HI - i;m a recording sound engineer/producer and i really appreciate the specific detail you go into sharing in your reviews - including song examples. we all know speaker set ups are individual to their environment and listening positions, but i've noticed over 4 videos now you mention punchy clear bass. i've got so say that bass is such a dismissed part of the audio spectrum as most people's experience is having enough level and clarity to feel it right? also music listening has dropped off significantly over the years with stupid audio designs, but if you seek em out you can find superb. this isn't a complaint as you do a very thorough and valuable job. so sorry if this sounds a little long-winded but i think it's noteworthy. and yes i know this is speakers, not cans.
i want to share something that you may consider for future testing. i always use my flat response studio cans to listen to reviews but for playing music i've had a lot of variation over the years. i recently wanted a set of cans for leisure - i compared loads and had a bit of a shock. i settled on the discontinued Tribits Quiet Plus - against the X, QP 50, 70&80s, Sony. Sennheiser and others. WHY THE DISCONTINUED? some reviewers said they lack punch - NO they don't at all with all genres (bear with me) but what i discovered was so sweet - no other cans could pick up the subtlety of a fingered upright bass.
now i llsten to the odd jazz stuff from trad to modern and fusion (and as a former fusion bass player i know my basses), my music is way broader and goes into deep sub-bass - but this element of the bass being finely balanced with the mid that picks up how a finger sensually interacts with a deep upright bass string and its roll-off ring as well as HOW IT VIBRATES THE WOODEN BODY (and the lreble of how the strings slap a little) is a joy to behold (also glad you mentioned the sustain of reverb in a different review for treble) and i've not found many inexpensive SPEAKERS that offer this sensual pleasure. so i guess what i'm saying is PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE consider making your bass reviews as encompassing as your reviews of the other tones by this fail safe test - but thanks for the detail. oh, and please let us know if you do so with these speakers. cheers
Excellent info and presentation !! Thanks Randy - I just subscribed - great channel !
I paired my Debut b6’s ($189) with a Yamaha RS202. ($120) both from Crutchfield. Sounds awesome!
Thanks for giving the back story. I always like to know the history. Nice review
I enjoy your approach to reviewing, it's entertaining and subjectively informative and I'm good with that. I am a big Elac fan, I have a quartet of B6.2's along with a Elac 1010 sub for my home theatre system which I also use for most of my music listening as well. I also have a bedroom system with a pair of B5.2's powered by my venerable NAD 3155 integrated amp. I bought all the speakers on sale so my "bang for the buck" quotient is really high. Although I'm intrigued by the new Reference speaker the price is a deal breaker for me - musicians are always on a budget. I wish you'd incorporate some fine classical discs to really delineate soundstage differences and articulation but hey - Megadeath it is then. Rock on...
I have two newer videos on the b6.2 and 5.2's you might want to check out. th-cam.com/video/KkJ7M0HLl50/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/fcKGCDtP3-E/w-d-xo.html
Heck, Andrew Jones himself commented on here.
Thank you...just ordered the Elac DB-R at my local dealer for my mancave.
Hi Randy. Can you make a video on speaker placement and it's effects?
Cheers. Keep the videos coming!
I have watched dozens of your videos, and many of them more than three times. Using your advice, I have chosen a stereo system for some great friends who are listening to their vinyl LPs on a $65 turntable. (Ugh!) I have chosen the Cambridge AXR100, a pair of Elac B6.2 speakers, and the Fluance RT-83 turntable. Is this a worthwhile system for listening to TV audio, FM reception, Bluetooth, and vinyl records?
Which is better, B6.2 or the KEF q350? I know there's a big price difference...but don't factor price into the equation.
I use a sub with my B6’s, sounds just right.
The ELAC 10" powered sub ranked high in a 5 sub shootout
When you slap a "Reference" sticker on this Elac line of products and that entails a doubling of price for allegedly not much more "sound quality", or whatever that means in the audiophile world, that's just cash grabbing. This Elac line are for discerning listeners that focus on value not on the old 1% improvement for 2-300% price increase.
Where I live the 6.2 are just at the right price. So they're my buda out of the 3.
Like the style and the articulation ...great reviews.
Hello there,
I have a hard time choosing - B6 first Gen. or Debut Reference. So far I understand the first ones are most fun capable? I found both of them almost in the same price range - 300/360 euro. I would like the better imaging - the accurate positioning of the instruments ( + the mid range + details) of the Reference, but that well described stage of the B6 does not let it go for me .. ? I gave up tuning the things I own. I start from scratch. It is like the fidelity in the photography - you can not have it all - it can not be perfectly detailed and without every possible little imperfection and in the same time with amazing 3D pop - like you are there in the scene...
I have the elac ub5. It's very smooth but hard to drive. I prefer the klipsch but they are way different. They're really about even one is smooth and reserved the other dynamic and slightly forward. Klipsch is the home theater king IMO.
Do you think a Marantz 2226 has enough to power any of these?
I paid $250 CDN for my Elac Debut b6s and the Elac Debut Reference are now $699 CDN. From your review, seems like I got the deal of the decade. :-)
ELAC Reference are $599 USD
@@bwithrow011 Right. $699 CDN., that is what i wrote. :-)
The number of times the cue cards were adjusted in this video? 30.Interesring.Very interesting. Hey, how about the power output
to be mentioned next time,
(if it is not too much of a trouble)?
Thank You..
Thanks! Today, 2022, I can get a new pair of 6.2 for 260 dollar, and a new Reference for 500 dollar. Is the Reference worth the extra 240 dollar?
I ran the B6.2 off a old class A Yamaha hybrid and a small Nad power amp. I find the Yamaha is not overly bright and fairly balanced. I find the Nad more bright in the top but still enjoyable. The Yamaha is definitely better for higher volumes. Emotiva gear I have owned had a tendency to be a bit cool.
I have the 6.2s paired with a Cambridge Audio CXA60 amp and agree they can be a little fatiguing. Was listening to the MFSL reissue of the first B52s album and the female vocals were a bit tiring after a while. Bass sounds tight and snares seem like they're right in the room with you. Need to figure out a way to relax things a bit. Do you think a small sub would help?
Suggestion.......purchase the crossover DIY upgrade kit(GR Research) for the 2.0 B6.2 and you will have a pair of speakers that will be on par with 1k-2k bookshelf's.....well worth the $345.00. the B6.2 has good internal bones. Also, take that tweeter grill off, pop the ring with a screwdriver !!
I really enjoy your content as I am a huge ELAC fan.
I've watched that video and may think about doing the upgrade. I'll probably source the parts myself though because $345 is very steep for crossovers.
It would be interesting to know how the 6.2 with the upgrades would sound in comparison to the reference. About the same investment.
Supposedly the upgrade puts them in a league of $2,000.00 + bookshelf's..... I'll let you know after the holidays I'll be doing the upgrade. Well worth the money and GResearch is no joke.
@@michaelross8036 do you have the values of the new components? Like capacitors and inductors etc. I just reviewed the 6.2’s today. Need to edit the video and it will go up tomorrow
@@cheapaudioman sorry I do not but they are stated in the GResearch video of the upgrade. I'm not going to order the upgrade kit and install until after the holidays.
I need another pair of speakers like I need a hole in the head, but your enthusiasm for Elac has me wondering how they would match up to my Ascend Acoustic Sierras.
Ditto, four main sets wired and ELAC on the way... 3 pairs in the closet... it is an illness, like guitar gear.
Not worth it, if the Ref. go on sale for $300 maybe for a second room or a gift.
@@joelopez7459 Well I would agree, and disagree. I bought both the Debut Reference and the Unifi 5.2
Starting with the Debut, the clarity is not as good as the Sierra, but the soundstage and imaging is much better.
The unifi is a much better speaker in every way but bass extension. Clarity is off the charts better, and soundstage and imaging is stellar compared to the Sierra.
You’ve heard the term veiled before? That’s the Sierra compared to the Unifi. Unifi is butt ugly compared to Sierra. But I prefer my music to be beautiful over the box.
Saving up now for the Gr Research he just built.
Ps. I’ve got a sub, so bass extension is not an issue for me.
I think you should try
an old pair of Totem Mite.
They punch way above their
price point.
I own a pair of Klipsch RP600Ms that I really dislike and find them way too enhance sounding and super fatiguing when crank them (I often listen to music through my speakers at shouting volume in a party setting). I was just about to order the Elac B6.2 because they are on sale right now but this video made me hesitate when you mentioned how they can lean in the bright/fatiguing direction when cranked. I would rather not spend the cash on the debut reference. Do you think im still going to find the B6.2 rather warm and rolled off coming from the Klipsch? Is there something else I should go for? I think the regular debut wouldnt be tight enough in the lows. I definitely prefer a gentler speaker on the top end because I listen to a lot of abrasive music like techno and death metal and the Klipsch's are way too much for that.Thanks
Have you tried facing the Klispch straight out into the room and putting them a bit closer to the wall? This may tame the top end a bit and add some bass. However, the b6.2's have a much more pronounced top end than the original and you are right, the bass on the original can be sloppy. At the volumes you are getting at you're going to want a 6.5" woofer for sure. The Debut Reference would be my recommendation but it's expensive. I found mine for $480 open box. I don't think you'll find the 6.2's rolled off compared to the Klispch. They are definitely not rolled off. If they are too much for you try putting on the grills and if that's still too much tape a couple pieces of tissue on the inside of the grill where the tweeter is. That's also a trick you can try on your Klipsch to see how they sound. Headphone people have been doing it for a long time and the same thing works on speakers.
Anything would work that's about 50 watts a channel. A really warm amp will hide some of the detail and a brighter amp will bring it up a bit. Not enough to make a significant difference though on these. They play well with everything I've had them hooked up to.
@@cheapaudioman What would be a good example of a brighter amp? Sorry, I'm a noob.
Also has to be available in europe.
Just realized I’m so much of an Andrew Jones fanboy that I have ALL of these three speakers in different rooms. Plus the Unifi in my office. The B6 is in my bedroom. B6.2 in a home theater set with B5.2s as surround + center. And the new reference DBR63 in my dining room. I really enjoy the updates with the front ports in these, enabling flush placement with the furnitures. It makes sense if you want it to disappear and not stub the toes on speaker stands and cables. The first Debut B6 has back ports, and I still prefer that over the RP600m (yes I have that too, also finessing the tube amps for a softer horn sound in my office).
But my god, my absolute favorite just has to be the Unifi and my journey with Elac stops there. The space and imaging makes me draw in air and breathe big. No other speakers I own does this to me that is so good, it’s physically and sonically comforting.
Personally, I think The Unifi will still hold its own for years to come against the Kefs and Buchards. The 6.2 and DBR63 will also still matter. The original B6 does show its age in a bigger room, turning it up, the poor bracing and box construction you will definitely hear. Having said that, doing a room EQ fixes a lot of the problems with the B6.
It’s been a fun ride with Elac. Can’t wait to see what Mr. Jones does next. I’ll probably buy those too!
Randy Randy the comparer of audio candy. Love your content brother keep it up!
Thanks, man. Appreciate it.
I like how you compared all three. Thanks for posting consistent content. We appreciate it man.
I wonder how the elacs stack up against the older pioneer bs22.
Have tried to find some but when I can they’re actually selling for more than Their original retail
Hi Randy would you say the ELAC unified 2.0 UB52 is a better speaker than all three of those
Gulps & Burps Galore! Only missing the Farts! 🤣
Yeah.. This is before I started editing. My apologies
Great videos and very informative.
You know I bought the Elac debut recently, but I can't help it but wonder why these speakers are way more expensive here in Australia than USA? Even if our dollar was just half USD, we still should only be paying around $500 for the Elac Debut or UB5, but they're charging almost $800 here in Australia.
I just can't work out why we're paying so much more here? Australia and USA have a FREE TRADE, so why is it Australia elacs are almost double?
It makes me so mad. Speakers never get cheaper too until there are like 3 open box ones for sale after years of not moving off the shelves.
Very informative. like the format.
They obviously use different woofers - do you know any differences in the tweeters, and/or the crossover design? Are there wave guides behind the screens?
When I got into audio quality - it was like you, I'm sure - because I love listening to music. And at first it was BASS - I had to have bass. And my first pair of speakers that I bought for myself, were Bose 501 - a friend works there, and they were a good price. And man, did they have bass!
But as I got farther into it, and got more experience - I have come to appreciate *tweeters*. Which then leads to how well the crossover works, by blending the drivers, and getting out of the way.
How clear and transparent is the window that is the audio system - that lets you hear the recording / music?
I wonder if the highs would become unveiled with the tweeter grill removed?
that can help and I know the measurements for these speakers were all done with the grills off
@@cheapaudioman - I'm late to the party...and I might be wrong but...I think the OP meant...the grill covering only the tweeter, not the full/main grill covering the whole speaker?! That's how I read/understood it?! I understand some Focal tweeters are the same - sound better with their own separate tweeter "grills" removed. Great videos...keep them coming! Cheers...
After watching all your Elac speaker reviews I've decided to opt for the 6.2 its in my price range. I've not received it yet but am looking forward to listening. By the way love your videos, you explain everything in a way some of us non speaker experts can understand. 👍
Thanks, Keith. Appreciate that
Ordered my b6.2's mid Feb, (in UK) not even dispatched yet, demand seems to far outstrip supply at the moment...i'm looking at you Randy for the cause of that
From 66 subscriber to now! :)
I was looking for these to produce better sound than the 1972 EPI M100s .I don't think so and wanted your expert opinion.
what do you think about to change a pair of old B&W 601s2 for Elac DEBUT b 6.2?
I respectfully disagree with the monkey and skull placement. The monkey should be given to B6. The B6 has too layback treble and boomy bass that make my eardrum hurt (no kidding). B6.2 fixes that two issues and tightens up the bracing to reduce the box resonance. The bass from B6.2 is just tighter and more defined. The treble from B6.2 is much more detailed and articulated but not bright to my ear, partially thanks to the DAC Topping E30 I was using. E30 rolls off after 15kHz so compensates the top end of the B6.2. Overall, I think the B6.2 revamped by Mr. Jones is the best bang for the buck among the three.
I bought the Sony SSCS5's for 73 bucks. Now I just ordered the Elaca Debut b6.2 for 600 bucks. Which one is better. Please help me out!
Elacs by far. May not be 6x better but much better. I answered one of your other comments about this and hope you saw it but wanted to cover it again just incase you didn't.
With due respect, it's difficult to compare a $73 speaker to a $600 one, they're obviously in two completely different price ranges. Also with due respect, if you have both, you should listen to them for yourself and make the determination for yourself, others can only give you their subjective opinion on the speaker, relating their own experience, yours may be completely different, audio tastes and preferences are very personal and subjective. Finally, and again, with all due respect, hopefully you can hear the difference between $73 speakers and $600 speakers, then you can decide if the $600 speakers are worth the added $500+ expense, if they're not, you might be happier saving some money.
My point is simply that nobody can tell you what you're going to like, you need to hear for yourself.
A quick story to illustrate my point. Many years ago when first shopping for hi-fi speakers, I went to a store to listen to Bowers and Wilkins speakers, specifically the 805s, bookshelf speakers which I had read/heard a lot of great things about, they retailed for about $2,500 US. Anyway, when I got to the shop they had the lower line 600 series set up, something which I had never heard of as I was just starting off in my audiophile quest, and considering how it was much more in my price range, I listened to it. Well, I can honestly say the B&W 601 S3 speakers which cost $600/pair are still to this day, maybe 20 years later, one of the best speakers I have ever heard. Personally, I did not particularly like the 600s(smaller) or the 602s(bigger) though. While I was there, I told the salesman that I wanted to hear the $2,500 805s so he switched things for me and I had a listen, and let me tell you, I was totally blown away by what I heard because I completely HATED the speakers, I thought they sounded terrible, far too cold, sterile, dry, and analytical, it actually took my music apart and dissected it such that it didn't sound coherent at all. I could also tell that they took much more power to drive to get the same volume levels.
What's the point of the story... a $600 speaker can sound better than $2,500 speakers, at least they did to me, and I only knew this after I was able to hear it for myself, otherwise I would have never believed it.
So I bought those B&W 601 S3 speakers and have been happy with them ever since, at least until recently because now I'm actually trying to downsize my system and go for a more minimalist aesthetic. I've bought a few other speakers over the years, JBL, Klipsch, Polk LSIM speakers, some more expensive, some less than the B&Ws, and each sound good and have different strengths and weaknesses, but I cannot say any have been better.
Am I telling you to buy B&W 601 S3's, no(although I do still think they're a great speaker, among the very best I've heard at any price, and I've heard speakers costing six figures), just that ultimately you need to listen for yourself. Also, listening is a skill that is developed through repetition and reflection, in a word, practice, it takes time.
I'm not trying to talk down to you, just saying that if you have both speakers you really should listen to both of them yourself and decide which you like better, and after you've done that, what anyone says shouldn't matter.
Let me put it this way, I'm not gonna let anyone else tell me how to eat my steak. If you like it rare, fine, if you like it medium-rare, fine, if you like it well done, fine, but I don't, I like my steak cooked medium and it doesn't matter to me what you say, the same goes for my taste in speakers.
Trust your ears and trust your gut, you're the one experiencing it for yourself and no one else will experience it exactly the same as you do. And remember, when it comes to music and speakers, it's completely subjective, there are no wrong answers, just differences of opinion and preferences.
Try to have fun and enjoy the music, in the end, that's really what it's all about, at least it's what it should be about.
@@mydogskips2 Look em up. I have a set of JSE Infinite Slope Model 2'S...Those are my sweet speakers. I'm just having fun with these book shelf speakers. I have a few sound systems in the house. My JSE's are callin the cops....It's happened.
In what color do they look better? White or black?
My 7.1 system is 8 ohms I want to replace my front speakers with the B6 which is six ohms would that be safe to do?
Thanks
Andrew Jones started out at Kef, then Pioneer.
I have elac b6. 2 now I want to replace with dynaudio m20, but I'm not sure, image and sound stage may not like elac as I am not hearing any demo
so what about 6 pairs plus bass in a 11.2 atmos ... well 2 for center channel will it work
hi randy would u get a sub for the elac debut refrence and if so which one? :) ( bought them recently cause of you )
cheapaudioman : Elac Debut 2.0 B 6,2 or Elac Debut Reference ?
which speakers have a clearer sound?
which loudspeakers have better treble?
which speakers have an open sound?
The b6.2 has more pronounced and clearer treble. They don't have as open as a sound as the b6 or the Reference. The Debut Reference is a combination of everything that is good about the b6 and b6.2 while being more refined.
Thanks! Additional question: clear sound and vocals to the front - B6.2 or Debut Reference ?
@@marez_3936 the b6.2 is more forward. I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily clearer though. The b6.2 is a much brighter speaker but less balanced than the Debut Reference
@@cheapaudioman Ok. Thanks. Regards!
Please make a test and compare to "dali oberon 3
I am so curious about the Elac's, not that i need them but because everyone is raving about them and they are priced right. I could always move my B&W 601 S3's to my bedroom.
I have been looking for something like this for a while. I bought the Elac B5s back in the day when they were the hottest speakers around. My conclusion was that they are near perfect for music but found them to be a bit warm for home theater. Vocal clarity was the biggest issue with my C5. I think the B5.2/6.2 are going to be more well suited to home theater.
For sure.
This is a stretch, but is there any chance you could team up with your engineer friend and do a tutorial on how to refresh the internals of old speakers? For instance, I’ve got a pair of 30 year old Mirage 360. Apparently crossover parts, capacitors, etc can be upgraded? Whadya think about that?
That gets complicated. And yes it’s capacitors, inductors, and resistors for cross overs. I wouldn’t suggest redesigning the crossover but trying to determine the values of the existing crossover and then purchasing new parts with tighter tolerances. Redesigning the crossover would require measuring both drivers for their frequency response and even with computer modeling it requires tweaking after the fact. For what it’s worth if you want to give that a try that’s where I’d start but I’m not sure how much that would impact the sound.
Thanks for the detailed review. Would like to see a comparison of the Debut 6.2 and the UniFi 2.0, and would it be worth the upgrade.
Would love to get my hands on the Unifi UB5.2 and if we do I'll definitely compare them. Thanks so much.
Randy . . . impedance . . . need to know on all reviews . . . critical for amp purposes.
6 ohms. but even 4 ohm speakers can and will run on 8 ohm receiver because impedance is dynamic and normally bottoms at the lower frequencies. I've never had a 6 ohm speaker shut down an 8 ohm amp/receiver. I've had a 4 ohm put the receiver into protect but not as often as you'd think.
I am Just comparing elac debut b5.2 vs q acoustics 3020i. Hm. Totally different. Both good but differently. I think i prefer more the acoustics.
I really want to hear the q acoustics. I’m trying to find a good deal on them so I can try them out
@@cheapaudioman don’t expect miracles. They are good, but that is all. I prefer Klipsch r15m over q acoustics 3020i
Can you pls compare Fyne audio f302 and JBL 170 tower...any chance.. JBL already you did..but here Fyne audio f302 have a real hype..ty
about to buy the references.
Will couple them with NAD D3045, a technics 1200 and lossless apple music airplay from an old airport express.
Thanks for providing reviews using simple and reasonable words, unlike most of hi fi magazines.
What are your thoughts with your setup. Considering a similar
@@djb5864 I’m about to sell them.
Sound is too warm, lacks mid and bass is redundant. This make most songs muddy and voices not clear and sharp (I use it also as tv speakers through the D3045 hdmi arc).
Probably my environment is part of the problem, but it’s quite a large room and they are spaced well, plus the front facing reflex should not have much issues with placement, but still.
Also the front protecting grills contribute to this, removing them makes them slightly brighter: a big design fail imho because I have kids and don’t want to remove protections.
Another possibility is that they are hard to drive and the D3045 is not powerful enough.
@@GianniTamai incredibly helpful. I’d be curious to hear your solution for speakers with the NAD and 1200. Thanks again
@@djb5864 I will update you with my choice if this solves the issue. Considering the smaller B5.2 or some Q acoustics at the moment.
Kef Q350 or Elac Debut Reference if I can get at the same price? Thanks.
Kef fanboy here
Listen to both, then decide. Both are good in different ways. (I prefer DBR62).
would the EDR Work with a Rotel ra-413?
Where do the Q Acoustics 3020 fit in when comparing the Elacs ? My guess you definitely prefer the Debut Reference. Are the worth the price difference?
The Q’s I think are closer in sound to the klipsch than the elacs. They’re very good. Very detailed and well balanced. If you’re looking for more of the Elac reference sound in the price range the KEFQ150 is probably a better comparison. Personally I really enjoy both.
Y not also the UB52 as its price point matches Reference DBR62..
This is the Cage Match comparison that I'm looking for as I will be purchasing one of these two as soon as I can figure out which 1 is the best.
I'd love to get my hands on the Unifi UB5.2 but haven't found a great deal on them yet. I'd imagine that they Unifi is going to be more neutral than the Debut Reference but the Reference will probably soundstage better. Either way, they'll both be good I imagine.
@@cheapaudioman Thank you for your response. I guess it comes down to One being a 3 way and the other a 2 way I understand it's all in the crossover. Is it more efficient to have 3 separate speakers each doing its part or 2 speakers of which one has to provide midrange and bass.....how does this effect overall sound... any thoughts?
@@petebakke6167 on a well integrated crossover a 2 way can sound just as good as a 3 way. Personally, I think the Unifi UB5 series is aimed at a more audiophile listening experience while the Debut is a bit more exciting with better sound staging. With that said, I do think that the Unifi first generation that I own have a flatter frequency response than the Debuts. I was listening to the UB5’s last night and the takeaway I had was that they are polite and do everything they’re supposed to do and do it well but they’re just missing the little bit of magic that the Debut Reference has. I don’t know if that makes sense but it’s the vibe I got and I’ve had them for over a year.
@@cheapaudioman Well from all the reviews that I have found comparing The DBR62 Reference vs UB52 the 52 edges out the Reference.... I imagine it all comes down to personal preference..
It sounds like you might have a better chance of Auditioning the UB52 s. I would definitely be very appreciative and excited to have you give us a Definitive Conclusion...
ELAC Send the @cheapaudioman a pair of UB52s. ASAP.....
Peace brother an thanks for ur great channle an pro insight..
@@petebakke6167 for sure.
Can you review the Elac Unifi slim u5?
Unfortunately I don't have those.
I have the 6.2s and whilst certain tracks make my jaw drop they sound so good the inconsistency is ruining these for me. Are the Reference less picky for rock music ? The 6.2s are almost schizophrenic or is it just me?
the Love your channel mate. Keep it raw and real. We have enough Audiophile tossers online already.
It's just you.
An issue here is the Reference is more than double the price [$599 USD] of the B6.0 and B6.2. This is an informative video but Randy isn't comparing apples to apples
Im in btw these and b2+ anyone have any input??. Thanks
Listen to Elac Debut Reference today, they have no treble to for me... Toto Africa sounded cut above mid freq.
Which one gets the personalized Fleshlight mug award?!
Speaks volumes, get it "volumes"?
Eh seemed like a mid-range joke to me
@@erics.4113 I think we need a little tone control around here...
@@onepieceatatime if you had two channels I would sub to both of them for more jokes.
Ottima recensione
hah, so you are here to test the loudspeaker material sound test? instead of itself?
Update as of 2020. I bought these(elac b 6.2) and thought they were OK. A little dull sounding. So I bought a new premamp (Emotiva) and use it with and old QSC power amp (class C) Still not good . so I bought a new power amp(Emotiva)
Still not good . So I bought a new DAC (Schiit) Still not happy. So I bought a new CD player. Not good enough.
Then I did something crazy, I pulled out and old pair of Wharfedale Diamond V from many years ago. I haven't used these speakers in 15 years. To my surprise they sounded much better than the Elacs
. I have done room treatments and I will try the Elacs again. There is something about the midrange I don't like.
I’m with you. I didn’t care doe the 6.2’s at all. None of the magic of the first gen. Just uploaded the debut reference review. Check that out.
@@cheapaudioman I have to query your statement regarding not caring for the b6.2's. Please can you elaborate on this?
66 Randy, 66! :)
Zen place huh...
I line that...
It sounds more attainable/reachable than Shangri la place.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE {[UR BABY VS KLIPSCH RP600M}] PLAYING ''KILL'EM ALL'' (JUMP IN TE FIRE) HOW SICK WOULD THAT BE RANDY!!!
What if I don’t drink coffee !
Randy, I am subscribing to the channel but with hesitation. Let me explain. I love and appreciate the information, observations, and honest opinions about the equipment. Thank you for that. My hesitation is caused by the presentation. You seem to be very slow at communicating the information. I don't expect you to be as efficient as the more experienced youtubers, but hopefully it will improve over time. In particular, I don't like the frequent coffee gulping and belching interruptions (not pleasant sounds). If you have a caffeine addiction, hopefully you can pause the camera or edit those out in the future. Looking forward to future improvements.
Trying my best, Mark. I've gotten better with editing the drinking out. So hopefully that helps.
@@cheapaudioman Let's talk about engagement.
From a presentation design perspective, the above feedback has merit. Typically, messaging that's clear, concise, and well paced helps to engage (and retain interest). Think Joe n Tell or Techno Dad.
Let's talk about brand.
It's important to establish a "brand" and separate yourself from the comps. Clearly, you've done that. By using "plain talk", looking at notes, w/periodic "sips" and campy transitions, you come off as very genuine. Think Dennis Miller meets Mr. Rogers.
Final thoughts.
As your channel grows, expect increased critique. That's a sign your "recipe" is working enough that listeners share out of care or envy. LOL. Maintain the core recipe and tweak it w/o wholesale changes.
@@cheapaudioman - you should already know this but you offer more than a dry hi-fi channel. Your measured comments/references really make this channel and are your unique selling point (Bill Murray-esque). The information seems structured but not scripted which gives a relaxed feel, and the coffee is the cherry on top, edited or otherwise (sorry Mark N.). Hopefully you know this already though. I've subscribed twice if you are unsure how much weight to give my opinion (and recommended you to friends, who will no doubt ignore it, but hey...).
@@misterroboto571 thanks so much. That means a lot. I have notes and occasionally think about what I’m going to say but usually I’m just rolling with it. Been a ton of fun. Someone told me I needed a teleprompter
Welcome back to the channel where a "cheap audio" enthusiast recommends a $700 pair of passive speakers.
1926? wow!
nice intro😜
Thanks. I was having some fun
My audio nirvana: ELAC Uni-fi UB5 + Outlaw Audio rr2160
I've wanted to get my hands on an Outlaw for a while.
HEY DRUNK BOI
This is NOT a watre mellon :)
You're all talk you should have shown us the real sound comparison between the two speakers.
How wouold he do that over an Internet connection and TH-cam compression... You wouod never hear what the speaker sounds like unless you were sitting beside him..... That and you are probably listening on your phone or laptop 😂
The sound of the coffee swilling is gross.
не люблю обзоры на товар где едят и пьют.
So I found these DBR 62 on Swedish "craigslist" för ´bout 300usd I should go for it right? Cheapaudioman-is-awesome!! =D
I would. Great price. Make sure they work.
Ill be hooking them up tomorrow 👍 exchanging my wharfdale Diamond 220. Do you have a tip on what would be the perfect amp for the elacs? IM rundning a marantz pm6004. Maybe i need more power?