I'm a placement / listening position fanatic. Spent a ridiculous amount of time experementing. Little tweaks can be unbelievably amazing. Best part, IT'S FREE. You can try something, if it's not better put everything back. If you have a small space or kids & a wife, maybe pull the speakers out for listening then put them back for " real life". I swear, moving your speakers or your chair can make more difference than $1,000. worth of new gear. Try it.
Man, your channel took off for good reasons. I am always compelled to watch your videos all the way to the very end, your presentation and style are unparalleled. Don't change a thing, congrats.
Just found your channel a couple of days ago. I got to say you sure pump out the content for being what it seems a newbie! 🤫😇 You are doing a great job so keep it up! This youtube audio review market seems to be a crowded place but because of that easy to grow a small channel into a big one fairly quickly. Although maybe cannibalizing somebody else!🙄😜🤗😇😉
Yeah, there's a lot of folks out there. I don't see a lot of budget gear and I feel like some are a bit uptight. We'll see though what happens. Just trying to help out the everyman that may not have $1000 for a pair of speakers.
Randy I've been following your channel and your reviews are awesome and your description spot on. After doing research from you and some other TH-camrs, and looking at objective testing from forums like audioscience review, the consensus for best bang for buck bookshelf are the polk r200's and elac debut reference. I purchased both from Crutchfield to test them at home. Both of these are fantastic speakers. Image like crazy and non fatiguing. I'm gonna end up keeping the r200's because while both the speakers are neutral the polks dig deeper with bigger more full bass. I feel the elac's can play well without a sub, but definitely benefit from a sub. The polks I was more than happy without a sub. They are more like baby floor standers. Both are slam dunk choices, but for me it's the r200's! Thanks Randy for the excellent reviews and keep up the good work for the budget audiophiles! We need guys like you.
Check out that rumble at 21:22 - .. whatever. After living with the RP-600M for almost a year - I switched to these. Stop comparing these to Klipsch. They are nothing alike. I hated the lack of soundstage on the 600M, I fought with toe-in the whole time. The Klipsch have a mid dip that drove me nuts. I found them a bit piercing and honestly, not so accurate. Within an hour after first testing these DBR, I had the Klipsch boxed and listed for sale. I would not put the Klipsch in audiophile range and draw a line in the sand with these. In fact, I'd kind of go so far as to call them... just OK if you don't know any better and maybe a good first speaker. The DBR will reveal your chain. For example the difference between Schiit Vidar vs Aegir is obvious. Vidar for sale!
In my opinion you will be very disappointed if you don't use an amplifier costing at least $1500.00. These speakers need current and power to perform their best.
Yes but Douk ST-01 Pro can drive them fine to 90 db Peaks... Douk ST-01 Pro TUBE tip: If your amp came with Chinese 6k4 tubes (has a red star printed on the glass), mine caused distortion. I upgraded to much better sound for $17 with GE JAN 5654W matched pair tubes. 6k4 tubes can be replaced by 6J1, 6J2, 6J3, 6J4, 6J5, 6"1N, 64N, 65N, 5654/5654W, 5725, 6AK5, EF95, 6BA6, 403B, etc. Your tubes may be ok. Just an FYI free tip.
Absolutely, I own 'em and have paired them against 7 different amplifiers, and only two hybrid-tube amplifiers could rock the woofer, though none convinced me fully.
What if you put the dbr6.2 on stands, then stack rp600 on top of the reference? Would that be the most awesome tower for the money? Please review that! Put anti skid cabinet liners between the speakers. Bingo.
This is my first real speaker (I got Polk Monitor 70s for my home theater, but mostly for movies, and never took audio seriously).....these are on my computer desk, and I LOVE THEM
"A Wall Street guy that maybe did some things in the bathroom that he shouldn't have done and now he wants to party" 😂Thanks for clearly getting your point across, as always!
You can't really tell how hard they are to drive until you look at the impedance curve. Anything modern for amplification can drive 4 ohms. Its when they impedance is all over the maps it gets difficult. Like on an LS50. And the standard thickness for veneer is 0.60mm. Very thin and delicate for all the trouble as you say.
Breaders - Last Splash, best rock album of all time, probably. Steve Albini (rip) masterwork! Perhaps that will provoke you to reply to this question about your listening environment for your reviews. In another video you said the Sony SSCS5 fall apart over 82, 83db. How do you measure those db? At what distance? What weighting of db? In that review, you stated you were monitoring in the near field, three feet from each speaker with 3 feet between the speakers, so in one corner of a 3 foot per side equilateral triangle. Did you make your db measurements at this three foot distance? I'm sure you've answered this a million times, but I've never seen it, so if someone else who's asked this, or seen a response to this db distance/weighting measuring question, please reply here. I'm trying to buy a pair of speakers off of one of your Amazon Affiliate Links, I'd just like this issue resolved before I pull the trigger. Bang Bang! Thanks mate(s)!
This is the first time I watched your channel...well at first I think it will be boring but...the more I listened the way you described the speaker, you described it very well just like some one describe a taste of good old wine.
I just picked up a set of these used for 350. CAMan is so right these are awesome. These are replacing a set of Evo 4.1s. Man I love my 4.1s but these DBRs just rock on with everything. Using a 803N and the DBRs love Spotify. Thanks CAMan.
Thank you for this interesting review. I want to buy them. I am building a system from 0. BTW I live in Philippines Manila, we have less choice but I found 1 set almost new for 460$. Only 1 in the whole country (off course you can buy new). So its possible to get agreat result and small budget (and a lot of patience haha). I want to make these the central speakers and combine them with a good SUB like a VELODYNE 12" I found. Maybe I need 2 SUBS (?) but I will go step by step. Your review convinced me and it was fun to watch ... you go slow, it tests my patience, but I made it to the end lol, but in a way to go detailed and describe it well is the right way to go. And I am a man of details. You give that. Wonder full. Thank you.
I just stumbled across this. It was likely the first video of your I watched and I have bought them. It is cute how nervous you are compared to where you are now. Priceless.
At 9:30 into your video...A cardinal starts chirping and back here on my sound system listening is awesome....I like birds too...I even have chickens...Ya got me to buy three sets of speakers...Thanks...I'm sooo dead!
Metallica put out SOME good music through the years but Lars Ulrich is one of the least talented drummers in the business. He has always been the weakest link in the band!
Hi, got these speakers a couple of days ago and am blown away! I cannot stop listening, my girlfriend was mad but I think she's beginning to like these too, she has to now😅 I had good speakers before, the Q Acoustics 3020, 3050 and Concept 20. Also older KEF iQ10 and Canton Ergo 92dc. These Elacs are by far the best I ve owned. Comparing the sound sometimes reminds me of the feeling I had watching a FullHD movie for the first time, when all I knew before was DVD quality. Really crazy, even though I only use them on an older Denon avr X2000. Got them on 60 Hz crossover with an old but ok KEF Subwoofer. I had an eye on these Elacs before I saw your video, you convinced me to get them. Thanks for your no bullshit reviews! Best wishes and merry Christmas from Germany🎄❤️☃️
@@cheapaudioman YES! I came back to this video's comment thread explicitly to ask if you were going to cover the new Uni-Fi 2.0s .. and for crying out loud, if you would help out all of us who are on the fence and be the first reviewer to tell us the differences you're hearing between the Debut Reference and the newest Uni-Fi line. You're knocking this channel out of the park, Randy .. fantastic job, man.
I think i have watched every video now minus the live ones. I'll likely watch them too once i get the time. I really enjoy your way of doing things, and the bits of odd humor.
Unless they are aligned by people who have the right equipment (TEF, etc.) and know what they are doing, rear bass ports can mess with time alignment. That's why reviewers and users run them back and forth in distance to the wall or other rearward reflective and refracting surfaces trying to get the best sound or measurements. The net result out at the listener location changes with that distance, an effect which is minimized with front-firing ports or just sticking with acoustic suspension.
yo man i am listening to you for a while. you love all the speakers that are promoted while you are reviewing them: Elac1 cool. 2 superb, 3 ultra, Airmotiva: WOW, sony: ihaaaa!. Man please! make up your mind. you have them all - decide: THEY ALL CENT BE BEST!!
Hi Randy, greetings from Spain. Would the Elac Debut Reference be good companions for a Marantz 2252? What do you think of pairing vintage amps with modern speakers? What other options do you recommend for the Marantz 2252? Thanks!
HI everyone... Randy, have you or anyone tried these speakers with the Denon PMA-600NE amp, do they go well, and if not, what speakers in that price range are good for that amp... what do you recommend?
I need your recommendation please, I have just bought Elac Debut Reference DBR62 speakers, now I am looking for amplifier to pair with. I am gonna use it with my desktop PC and Sennheiser hd58x headphone. From my research I ended up with these three, which one should I go for Yamaha WXA-50, NAD d3020v2 or d3045. Loxjie a30,. if you have better suggestion please let me know . Thanks for the video.
Question, Randy, or family, can I use the Pioneer Elite 94 THX receiver, 09 model, 140watts - 7way,5 way etc. Thoughts on this receiver being 09 model, older still it's Elite receiver, back then flagship, 1800 dollars 09! Open box 850.00 out the door! Hooked on Elac unified b52, 2.0, 6 ohm, do I hook it up to the front speakers section? Or is there a better way? Really need advise, important to me asap! I trust your opinion hands down. You or your subscribers. Thoughts on receiver, with unified b52, and hook up. Also monster wire? Your thoughts. Love your humorous knowledgeable reviews, the audio funny cool guy 😁🤘Iam loving your reviews, hooked, like Ron, Steve as well, my top 3 👀🎧 please get back ASAP, where should I order the speakers from? Thoughts ❤️🤘 thank you Randy! 🎧❤️
Play Stravinski, Right of Spring, thru a Rockville Bluetube amp, loud. Tape yer windows and buckle up. Then you will know what these speakers can do. They kick but.
i'm itching to buy this speaker, but sadly, it would be relegated to a literal bookshelf. i get that (ironically) bookshelves are awful in terms of placement, but wondering how big an impact it will make to these. the speakers would also be on their sides, and the shelves are 11in deep, so they would be flush or sticking out a bit. are their better speakers for this type of placement. i'm not going for top-end quality (obviously) and these will be used primarily as general 2 channel music listening in a living room setting. they would be driven by Onkyo AVR (zone 2) and eventually maybe a class D amp of some sort (SVS Soundbase?).
Buying speakers this week. Elac Reference or wharefdale diamond 4 tower speakers. I already have Elac 6.2. and speaker stands running on Denon AVR 7-1 Please help Wharefdale 50% off Someone please help.
I have finally decided on these after a bunch of research in white will be my next audio purchase to go along with the Emotiva TA-100. Will be upgrading from the Sony SSCS5 I got.
"This is the absolutely best speaker you can possibly buy in this price category until ten months from now when I put it up against the Wharfedale Evo 4.2 and the SVS Ultra, and it comes in third."
I am undecided between these two speakers. I was almost decided on the Elac... but I read on some forum that these speakers are somewhat boring and not suitable for Rock. Much of the music I listen to is Rock and Metal, although I listen to many other types of music as well. Do you think the Polk are more versatile? On the other hand my room is small and I don't know if the Polks would be a problem with the Bass Reflex output in the back. Greetings from Seville (Spain)
It's funny, your mention buying 2 sets of speakers for 1200$ to get that versatility to have some fun. That's the same reason I'm tempted to buy the Buchardt A500 which comes with several different master tunings, can be used as studio monitors, has room correction and streaming capabilities etc. Yes, the "tunings" are really more like hyperactive DSP-enabled EQ settings if you so will, but I'm pretty close to ignoring those normal "audiophile" hang ups. For $4500 It's a COMPLETE freaking system! Just add a sub (if you want) and you're good! Love the vids man!
I'm running a Marantz SR5001, looking to upgrade to a speaker for mostly home theater and a little bit of music, Would you recommend the elac dbr or the rp600m?
See, I like the Debut series more than the UniFi series. UniFi is too round and smooth in the midrange. I want texture and crunchiness. Also UniFi is like $800 for the slim line pair. No thanks.
Man, a year later. You talked me into buying these things and I wish I didn't. I still haven't used them very much. Maybe I need to break them in. I threw the Klipsch 600m box away. I kept the Elac box. What does that tell ya?
Would these DBR62 work well for LCR in a 5.2.2 HT setup. What would be the recommended surround, back, s Subs for these. Will these be driven well with a denon x3600h or x4500h.
Have you ever thought of seeing if there are any fyne audio speakers that fit into your criteria to review. I have some 302 floorstanders that I absolutely love and I know they make affordable bookshelf speakers.
Fun that the metallic ring is back like the heybrooks i have from the 80:s. Elac: ok first he buys the b6 then the uni or the 6.2 then we give him this muhahaa.
I like your analogy of letting a cat out of a bag for how sounds extend past the speakers. That's exactly what im after and i would call it holographic imaging...would you say these speakers have that? I know the Debuts you mentioned do that really well but i couldn't get past the scooped out midrange and i was looking at the next step up anyways. I have the Q150's now and while i like them im looking for more of that magic holographic cat out of bag effect.
Try the Elac unified 2.0,b-52s, sound stage imaging neutral and, clarity, detailed, and Got them on sale, Amazon, 489.00,read reviews, magic in a box 😁❤️
You rock Randy. My Heybrook Speakers woofers are broken so ill enter the competition. I had the b5 from elac they are amazing too if you remove the tweeter grills. They also broke im cursed or something.
Pretty much everything about these speakers appeals to me. My question is that I currently have a Yamaha CR-620 35wpc vintage receiver, which I love, but I'm looking to upgrade to the CR-1020 which offers 70wpc. I listen to a wide range of music, but mostly 70's rock, prog, and some jazz. The front port is great, as the limitations of my fairly small, 11'x14' listening room doesn't allow me to have speakers more than 12-16" away from the wall. I usually listen with peak DB measuring around 90-93db at my listening position. Do you believe these are going to get me where I want without a sub?
Great Video. I too am a fan of the ELAC speakers. I have two sets of the Debut b6.2. I am modifing one set to do an AB comparision with upgraded crossover parts.
Are the parts from the video that talks about upgrading the crossover? When you get them would you shoot me an email about it? Cheapaudioman@gmail.com. I’m very interested but don’t want to pay $300 for components
@@cheapaudioman no the parts are from parts express but the idea came to me from Danny at GR Research. His TH-cam channel. My speakers cost 300 dollars. Parts were 50 buck for Solen caps. Would you say that for twice the price the Reference are twice as good as the B6.2? Your honest thoughts, please?
@@vicg5323 I think the Reference has an intangible that the 6.2 doesn’t. To me it takes the refinement of the second generation and the fun of the first generation and combined them. Whether that makes them twice as good I can’t say. Objectively, probably not. Subjectively the “X Factor” means more to different people. Now with that said I haven’t heard the 6.2’s with a crossover up grade. If you haven’t watched my review on the Reference give that a watch.
I don’t know if this is getting out of the price range but I’ve been looking at the monitor audio silver 50 do you have any reviews or thinking of doing any on any monitor audio
Randy , the Cheapaudioman, what Amp / Receiver did you or do you regularly use when testing the speakers. I just ordered these Elacs to compliment my Elac Debut 6.2s. I will be connecting both pairs as A and B speakers in the same finished basement studio setup construed during COVID pandemic to a Denon DRA-800H RECEIVER. I am being tempted to add another Amp to connect the Zone 2 of the Denon to another set of speakers , Fluance Signature Series Surround HiFi Bookshelf speakers. The new Elac Reference speakers will replce the Flus in my current 2 pairs of speaker setup. IOTA Sax Integratec Amp ? Be well and safe. Oh BTW, from where do you Roam from?
Anyone out there care to share some advice? Would these speakers be overkill for a tiny (7.5' x 12.5') room? It's a toss up between these and the db52... or potentially smaller with klipsch 400m (I have r-41pm's for my computer speaker that I enjoy, but wouldn't mind something 'flatter'). I appreciate that the DBR62's have a better build quality, thus would rather invest once... I guess my question is do these perform well at low volumes or would i be better off with something smaller and more appropriate for my tiny room
Not asking you this ????? As an insult. Do you or would you ever review anything from Logitech? They have a crazy ,5.1 digital surrounded 5 speaker system With a self powered 12" subwoofer & with power watts to spare .!!!!!!! Priced between 375-500$, I've had a couple of the older models, & Personally never had so much fun with any stereo,ever! Great to hear your views on them? Great show!!!
@@cheapaudioman the 5.1 with those hard aluminum tweeters I had was like 500 watts or something crazy, with a self powered 12" sub literally bumped things from other shelves,I know u say take the bass away, for some reason u wanted to push the bass in this thing,lol
Recently bought the Wharedale Denton 85 and find them very bright and occasionally harsh. Cymbals and sibilance become grating. Would you recommend this as a replacement?
You know with surrounds watching movies it doesn't particularly matter all that much because voices rarely come out of the rears so cohesive voicing amongst speakers matters much less with rears. If you are doing a lot of music listening with a stereo setting on the receiver then I'd go with the B6.2s. I have different brands of speakers for my surrounds and it's just fine. So I'd go with something smaller and more affordable. The Neumi BS5's would be a very nice compliment to these and are about $90 on amazon right now. Heck, they even have a similar color scheme. I'm doing a sub $100 speaker shootout tomorrow and you can hear more. But I wouldn't spend a ton on surrounds unless you just have to have something really good.
@@cheapaudioman i also like listening to all kinds of music and loud same as my movies. I ready have klipsch satellites quintet ii so I'm wanting to upgrade. I'm in the process of getting the klipsch rp 504c . And their 402s or 502 for my surrounds. Just want to work on my rears . I listen to my music on the stereo all channels
I agree with your point about the grills. There is a little loss of air and delicacy when listening with the grills on. I think I read somewhere that Andrew Jones voiced these speakers without the grills. Too bad, because the grills look great.
You know, I think they sound great with the grills too. After a while with the grills on my brain got accustomed to the sound and the detail came back a bit.
I had the opportunity to audition both 2 days ago at a local stereo outlet. I felt the Debut Reference had slightly greater clarity, with less-forward & more controlled bass. The Oberon 3 had more pronounced bass, with very good clarity as well. Both are superb speakers, giving tremendous value for their price (with the Dali being slightly cheaper than the Elac). It comes down to personal preference. For my tastes, I ended up getting the Debut Reference.
You should also make a video about speaker placement, distances, angles, room setting. :)
I love it. Will do it.
@@cheapaudioman would be much appreciated :)
I'm a placement / listening position fanatic. Spent a ridiculous amount of time experementing.
Little tweaks can be unbelievably amazing.
Best part, IT'S FREE. You can try something, if it's not better put everything back. If you have a small space or kids & a wife, maybe pull the speakers out for listening then put them back for " real life".
I swear, moving your speakers or your chair can make more difference than $1,000. worth of new gear.
Try it.
@@darrelgustafson2507 I know what you mean. Some times moving your head 4" to the right makes a huge difference.
@@cheapaudioman My head is always 4" to the right
WARNING: These speakers will make you realize how WAY over priced many speakers are.... You have been warned 😊. True video sir.
Man, your channel took off for good reasons. I am always compelled to watch your videos all the way to the very end, your presentation and style are unparalleled. Don't change a thing, congrats.
Thanks, Nigel. I really appreciate that.
Just found your channel a couple of days ago. I got to say you sure pump out the content for being what it seems a newbie! 🤫😇 You are doing a great job so keep it up! This youtube audio review
market seems to be a crowded place but because of that easy to grow a small channel into a big one fairly quickly. Although maybe cannibalizing somebody else!🙄😜🤗😇😉
Yeah, there's a lot of folks out there. I don't see a lot of budget gear and I feel like some are a bit uptight. We'll see though what happens. Just trying to help out the everyman that may not have $1000 for a pair of speakers.
Randy I've been following your channel and your reviews are awesome and your description spot on. After doing research from you and some other TH-camrs, and looking at objective testing from forums like audioscience review, the consensus for best bang for buck bookshelf are the polk r200's and elac debut reference. I purchased both from Crutchfield to test them at home. Both of these are fantastic speakers. Image like crazy and non fatiguing. I'm gonna end up keeping the r200's because while both the speakers are neutral the polks dig deeper with bigger more full bass. I feel the elac's can play well without a sub, but definitely benefit from a sub. The polks I was more than happy without a sub. They are more like baby floor standers. Both are slam dunk choices, but for me it's the r200's! Thanks Randy for the excellent reviews and keep up the good work for the budget audiophiles! We need guys like you.
What if u stacked the dbr6.2 on top of the r200? Run them together... Hummmm...
Check out that rumble at 21:22 - .. whatever.
After living with the RP-600M for almost a year - I switched to these. Stop comparing these to Klipsch. They are nothing alike. I hated the lack of soundstage on the 600M, I fought with toe-in the whole time. The Klipsch have a mid dip that drove me nuts. I found them a bit piercing and honestly, not so accurate. Within an hour after first testing these DBR, I had the Klipsch boxed and listed for sale. I would not put the Klipsch in audiophile range and draw a line in the sand with these. In fact, I'd kind of go so far as to call them... just OK if you don't know any better and maybe a good first speaker. The DBR will reveal your chain. For example the difference between Schiit Vidar vs Aegir is obvious. Vidar for sale!
Who the hell watches MTV? It's not Music Television anymore! It's junk...I guess...I don't even think about it anymore since about the year 2000.....
Great review. My introduction to really good modern, less expensive speakers was also the B6. I was blown away when I first heard them.
In my opinion you will be very disappointed if you don't use an amplifier costing at least $1500.00. These speakers need current and power to perform their best.
Yes but Douk ST-01 Pro can drive them fine to 90 db Peaks... Douk ST-01 Pro TUBE tip: If your amp came with Chinese 6k4 tubes (has a red star printed on the glass), mine caused distortion. I upgraded to much better sound for $17 with GE JAN 5654W matched pair tubes. 6k4 tubes can be replaced by 6J1, 6J2, 6J3, 6J4, 6J5, 6"1N, 64N, 65N, 5654/5654W, 5725, 6AK5, EF95, 6BA6, 403B, etc. Your tubes may be ok. Just an FYI free tip.
Absolutely, I own 'em and have paired them against 7 different amplifiers, and only two hybrid-tube amplifiers could rock the woofer, though none convinced me fully.
@@wyup But let's be real, you may need 2,000 wpc to really rock...
What if you put the dbr6.2 on stands, then stack rp600 on top of the reference? Would that be the most awesome tower for the money? Please review that! Put anti skid cabinet liners between the speakers. Bingo.
Correction to my comment below. Yamaha Receiver R-N303 is what I'm considering.
This is my first real speaker (I got Polk Monitor 70s for my home theater, but mostly for movies, and never took audio seriously).....these are on my computer desk, and I LOVE THEM
"A Wall Street guy that maybe did some things in the bathroom that he shouldn't have done and now he wants to party" 😂Thanks for clearly getting your point across, as always!
Too much quality thoughts, and way too much valuable information to not to sub. Thanks zero fidelity for the tip. This guy is cool. Subbed for sure🥩❤️
I appreciate that! the videos have gotten much stranger since this one.
You can't really tell how hard they are to drive until you look at the impedance curve. Anything modern for amplification can drive 4 ohms. Its when they impedance is all over the maps it gets difficult. Like on an LS50. And the standard thickness for veneer is 0.60mm. Very thin and delicate for all the trouble as you say.
Breaders - Last Splash, best rock album of all time, probably. Steve Albini (rip) masterwork!
Perhaps that will provoke you to reply to this question about your listening environment for your reviews. In another video you said the Sony SSCS5 fall apart over 82, 83db.
How do you measure those db?
At what distance?
What weighting of db?
In that review, you stated you were monitoring in the near field, three feet from each speaker with 3 feet between the speakers, so in one corner of a 3 foot per side equilateral triangle.
Did you make your db measurements at this three foot distance?
I'm sure you've answered this a million times, but I've never seen it, so if someone else who's asked this, or seen a response to this db distance/weighting measuring question, please reply here.
I'm trying to buy a pair of speakers off of one of your Amazon Affiliate Links, I'd just like this issue resolved before I pull the trigger. Bang Bang!
Thanks mate(s)!
There's loudness compensation button on some amplifiers to boost the lows and the highs for listening at low volume level.
And it sure works well on my old Sansui .
This is the first time I watched your channel...well at first I think it will be boring but...the more I listened the way you described the speaker, you described it very well just like some one describe a taste of good old wine.
I just picked up a set of these used for 350. CAMan is so right these are awesome. These are replacing a set of Evo 4.1s. Man I love my 4.1s but these DBRs just rock on with everything. Using a 803N and the DBRs love Spotify. Thanks CAMan.
Are the EVO 4.1 lively speakers and is it good for watching movies in a 2.1 setup?
Thank you for this interesting review. I want to buy them. I am building a system from 0. BTW I live in Philippines Manila, we have less choice but I found 1 set almost new for 460$. Only 1 in the whole country (off course you can buy new). So its possible to get agreat result and small budget (and a lot of patience haha). I want to make these the central speakers and combine them with a good SUB like a VELODYNE 12" I found. Maybe I need 2 SUBS (?) but I will go step by step. Your review convinced me and it was fun to watch ... you go slow, it tests my patience, but I made it to the end lol, but in a way to go detailed and describe it well is the right way to go. And I am a man of details. You give that. Wonder full. Thank you.
Bought them, love them! Thank you for the recommendation. Greetings from Germany!
I just stumbled across this. It was likely the first video of your I watched and I have bought them. It is cute how nervous you are compared to where you are now. Priceless.
I’d like to see an Elac shootout. Great videos!
At 9:30 into your video...A cardinal starts chirping and back here on my sound system listening is awesome....I like birds too...I even have chickens...Ya got me to buy three sets of speakers...Thanks...I'm sooo dead!
I love your channel, man! I'm on the hunt for the perfect bookshelf / mid-size speaker for my basement reno. You are my go-to source for reviews!
I bought the same speakers...I'm a dead man walking...but I bought em thanks to you....
Metallica "the greatest rock band of all time" - BOLD but untrue and that's ok. 😁
Metallica put out SOME good music through the years but Lars Ulrich is one of the least talented drummers in the business. He has always been the weakest link in the band!
Love these speakers. I got them in the white colourway.
Working fine on the Denon x2700.
0:30 "the U. S. and A." or the "Canada and eh!" #MissedOpportunity #NextTimeRandy
Hi, got these speakers a couple of days ago and am blown away! I cannot stop listening, my girlfriend was mad but I think she's beginning to like these too, she has to now😅
I had good speakers before, the Q Acoustics 3020, 3050 and Concept 20. Also older KEF iQ10 and Canton Ergo 92dc. These Elacs are by far the best I ve owned. Comparing the sound sometimes reminds me of the feeling I had watching a FullHD movie for the first time, when all I knew before was DVD quality. Really crazy, even though I only use them on an older Denon avr X2000. Got them on 60 Hz crossover with an old but ok KEF Subwoofer. I had an eye on these Elacs before I saw your video, you convinced me to get them. Thanks for your no bullshit reviews! Best wishes and merry Christmas from Germany🎄❤️☃️
Enjoy them, my friend. I really like them. I’m listening to the Unifi UB52’s right now.
@@cheapaudioman YES! I came back to this video's comment thread explicitly to ask if you were going to cover the new Uni-Fi 2.0s .. and for crying out loud, if you would help out all of us who are on the fence and be the first reviewer to tell us the differences you're hearing between the Debut Reference and the newest Uni-Fi line. You're knocking this channel out of the park, Randy .. fantastic job, man.
@@MarcChevalier I’ve been listening to the Unifi 52’s and the video is coming. But to save you the suspense buy the Reference.
So Randy: Do you like these DBR speakers better than the Unifi 2.0 UB52? Thanks.
That's my question as well. I currently have ELAC B6.2 but I'm looking at finding a reason to purchase the reference or the unifi
How do you have so few subscribers? Your video quality is crazy good. Keep it up! You'll be big on TH-cam one day!
Ha! Well you obviously hasn’t seen my earlier videos... however, I really appreciate the comment and we’ve been growing faster than I thought
My next future purchase.
I doubt you'll be disappointed. Please let me know what you think of them when you get them.
I think i have watched every video now minus the live ones. I'll likely watch them too once i get the time. I really enjoy your way of doing things, and the bits of odd humor.
Unless they are aligned by people who have the right equipment (TEF, etc.) and know what they are doing, rear bass ports can mess with time alignment. That's why reviewers and users run them back and forth in distance to the wall or other rearward reflective and refracting surfaces trying to get the best sound or measurements. The net result out at the listener location changes with that distance, an effect which is minimized with front-firing ports or just sticking with acoustic suspension.
How are these compared to the css audio criton 1 tdx speaker?
yo man i am listening to you for a while. you love all the speakers that are promoted while you are reviewing them: Elac1 cool. 2 superb, 3 ultra, Airmotiva: WOW, sony: ihaaaa!. Man please! make up your mind. you have them all - decide: THEY ALL CENT BE BEST!!
Hi Randy, greetings from Spain.
Would the Elac Debut Reference be good companions for a Marantz 2252? What do you think of pairing vintage amps with modern speakers? What other options do you recommend for the Marantz 2252?
Thanks!
Hola Óscar,
Llegaste a comprarlos?
Un saludo desde Sevilla😁
HI everyone... Randy, have you or anyone tried these speakers with the Denon PMA-600NE amp, do they go well, and if not, what speakers in that price range are good for that amp... what do you recommend?
A guy ruins his credibility when he makes such a subjective statement as “That album made Metallica the greatest rock band of all times.”. Really?
I need your recommendation please, I have just bought Elac Debut Reference DBR62 speakers, now I am looking for amplifier to pair with. I am gonna use it with my desktop PC and Sennheiser hd58x headphone. From my research I ended up with these three, which one should I go for Yamaha WXA-50, NAD d3020v2 or d3045. Loxjie a30,. if you have better suggestion please let me know . Thanks for the video.
Fukyeah. RANDY talking about KoKane an infamous Crew of Co Conspirators chopping crazy Cali 🚈Rails. Fy
This is the DBR62 then?
Question, Randy, or family, can I use the Pioneer Elite 94 THX receiver, 09 model, 140watts - 7way,5 way etc. Thoughts on this receiver being 09 model, older still it's Elite receiver, back then flagship, 1800 dollars 09! Open box 850.00 out the door! Hooked on Elac unified b52, 2.0, 6 ohm, do I hook it up to the front speakers section? Or is there a better way? Really need advise, important to me asap! I trust your opinion hands down. You or your subscribers. Thoughts on receiver, with unified b52, and hook up. Also monster wire? Your thoughts. Love your humorous knowledgeable reviews, the audio funny cool guy 😁🤘Iam loving your reviews, hooked, like Ron, Steve as well, my top 3 👀🎧 please get back ASAP, where should I order the speakers from? Thoughts ❤️🤘 thank you Randy! 🎧❤️
Play Stravinski, Right of Spring, thru a Rockville Bluetube amp, loud. Tape yer windows and buckle up. Then you will know what these speakers can do. They kick but.
i'm itching to buy this speaker, but sadly, it would be relegated to a literal bookshelf. i get that (ironically) bookshelves are awful in terms of placement, but wondering how big an impact it will make to these. the speakers would also be on their sides, and the shelves are 11in deep, so they would be flush or sticking out a bit. are their better speakers for this type of placement. i'm not going for top-end quality (obviously) and these will be used primarily as general 2 channel music listening in a living room setting. they would be driven by Onkyo AVR (zone 2) and eventually maybe a class D amp of some sort (SVS Soundbase?).
Hi Randy , another great video, be interesting to know how this compares with B&w 606 s2 anniversary, regards mark
I still have my Elac Debut B6 and they still put a smile on my face!
Buying speakers this week.
Elac Reference or wharefdale diamond 4 tower speakers. I already have Elac 6.2. and speaker stands running on Denon AVR 7-1
Please help Wharefdale 50% off
Someone please help.
Would love to see the Elac Compare to the dynaudio Emit20 , has Someone tested Both? i realy don t know which i should buy ^^
I have finally decided on these after a bunch of research in white will be my next audio purchase to go along with the Emotiva TA-100. Will be upgrading from the Sony SSCS5 I got.
Are the Elacs better? Love to hear your thoughts. How do you like the TA-100? Love mine.
You are my Yoda
Hi, Randy. I enjoyed your video. Just for fun, could you review your original ELAC Debut B6s?
You bet. Great idea. Will be out soon. Thanks for the suggestion.
Thank you for the review. Interesting speakers. Is the reviewed speaker model Elac Debut 6? Regards
"This is the absolutely best speaker you can possibly buy in this price category until ten months from now when I put it up against the Wharfedale Evo 4.2 and the SVS Ultra, and it comes in third."
The video you are refering to shows the elac unifi.
Randy what kind of amplifier would your recommend for these speakers?
I enjoy your channel. Hate Metallica, don't get me started.
Acdc started in 1973 thts 48,49 yrs . And i dare say they're still selling out arenas.
could i ask you which would you choose.the elacs or the polkr200?
That’s a tough one. They’re both very good. If you want more detail and clarity the polks
I am undecided between these two speakers. I was almost decided on the Elac... but I read on some forum that these speakers are somewhat boring and not suitable for Rock.
Much of the music I listen to is Rock and Metal, although I listen to many other types of music as well.
Do you think the Polk are more versatile?
On the other hand my room is small and I don't know if the Polks would be a problem with the Bass Reflex output in the back.
Greetings from Seville (Spain)
It's funny, your mention buying 2 sets of speakers for 1200$ to get that versatility to have some fun. That's the same reason I'm tempted to buy the Buchardt A500 which comes with several different master tunings, can be used as studio monitors, has room correction and streaming capabilities etc. Yes, the "tunings" are really more like hyperactive DSP-enabled EQ settings if you so will, but I'm pretty close to ignoring those normal "audiophile" hang ups. For $4500 It's a COMPLETE freaking system! Just add a sub (if you want) and you're good! Love the vids man!
The tweeter cover comes off. I've listened hard with/without. No difference. But the speakers look like speakers without the bra on.
How it works with fosi aduio bt20a pro? i cant find anything on internet, and i dont have any way to pair it and listen to.
How well would a Sony STR-DN1080 drive the ELAC Debut Reference ?
I'm running a Marantz SR5001, looking to upgrade to a speaker for mostly home theater and a little bit of music, Would you recommend the elac dbr or the rp600m?
It's interesting how English speaker brands have this same grill over the tweeter. Is it Elac or Monitor Audio?
Pull. it comes right off.
@@NightFlight1973 It looks nice, Just wondering if there are some acoustical properties to this design that makes it special.
See, I like the Debut series more than the UniFi series. UniFi is too round and smooth in the midrange. I want texture and crunchiness. Also UniFi is like $800 for the slim line pair. No thanks.
Man, a year later. You talked me into buying these things and I wish I didn't. I still haven't used them very much. Maybe I need to break them in. I threw the Klipsch 600m box away. I kept the Elac box. What does that tell ya?
Wood veneer is good for hiding dust compared to black or white.
Would these DBR62 work well for LCR in a 5.2.2 HT setup. What would be the recommended surround, back, s
Subs for these. Will these be driven well with a denon x3600h or x4500h.
How do these compare to Wharfedale Denton 80th?
Just ordered these at around 350$ a pair in Norway. Super excited :) Thanks Randy !
"I couldn't Find it until I touched it" ya that's what she Said. 😂 4:26
Have you ever thought of seeing if there are any fyne audio speakers that fit into your criteria to review. I have some 302 floorstanders that I absolutely love and I know they make affordable bookshelf speakers.
Kef q350 vs dbr62 ? At same price , which to choose ?
Do you think a Marantz 2226 would power the Elac Debut Reference?
Hi,
What would be great amp for these speakers?
Thanks!
thats some sexy tweed!
Fun that the metallic ring is back like the heybrooks i have from the 80:s.
Elac: ok first he buys the b6 then the uni or the 6.2 then we give him this muhahaa.
Thx for giving your opinion 👍🍻
I like your analogy of letting a cat out of a bag for how sounds extend past the speakers. That's exactly what im after and i would call it holographic imaging...would you say these speakers have that? I know the Debuts you mentioned do that really well but i couldn't get past the scooped out midrange and i was looking at the next step up anyways. I have the Q150's now and while i like them im looking for more of that magic holographic cat out of bag effect.
Acoustically treating your room will do a lot for soundstage. But yes, these speakers do very well, even when your room needs work (like mine).
Try the Elac unified 2.0,b-52s, sound stage imaging neutral and, clarity, detailed, and Got them on sale, Amazon, 489.00,read reviews, magic in a box 😁❤️
You rock Randy. My Heybrook Speakers woofers are broken so ill enter the competition.
I had the b5 from elac they are amazing too if you remove the tweeter grills. They also broke im cursed or something.
Pretty much everything about these speakers appeals to me. My question is that I currently have a Yamaha CR-620 35wpc vintage receiver, which I love, but I'm looking to upgrade to the CR-1020 which offers 70wpc. I listen to a wide range of music, but mostly 70's rock, prog, and some jazz. The front port is great, as the limitations of my fairly small, 11'x14' listening room doesn't allow me to have speakers more than 12-16" away from the wall. I usually listen with peak DB measuring around 90-93db at my listening position. Do you believe these are going to get me where I want without a sub?
Great Video. I too am a fan of the ELAC speakers. I have two sets of the Debut b6.2. I am modifing one set to do an AB comparision with upgraded crossover parts.
Are the parts from the video that talks about upgrading the crossover? When you get them would you shoot me an email about it? Cheapaudioman@gmail.com. I’m very interested but don’t want to pay $300 for components
@@cheapaudioman no the parts are from parts express but the idea came to me from Danny at GR Research. His TH-cam channel. My speakers cost 300 dollars. Parts were 50 buck for Solen caps. Would you say that for twice the price the Reference are twice as good as the B6.2? Your honest thoughts, please?
@@vicg5323 I think the Reference has an intangible that the 6.2 doesn’t. To me it takes the refinement of the second generation and the fun of the first generation and combined them. Whether that makes them twice as good I can’t say. Objectively, probably not. Subjectively the “X Factor” means more to different people. Now with that said I haven’t heard the 6.2’s with a crossover up grade. If you haven’t watched my review on the Reference give that a watch.
The beginning to "Where ever I may roam" is a Sitar
is this a good upgrade from wharfedale 12?
I bought the b6.2 , no rattles so far , WOW perhaps the best speakers I have ever heard , EVER
I don’t know if this is getting out of the price range but I’ve been looking at the monitor audio silver 50 do you have any reviews or thinking of doing any on any monitor audio
Hey Randy, Could you review the KEF Q150 and the KEF Q350
I'm so close to pulling the trigger on the Q150's. I'm trying to find an open box or something but may have to pay full asking
@@cheapaudioman I have the Q150's on my desk for almost a year now and they continue to blow me away
@@leonardread13 just ordered them this morning and they’re on their way
I love you bro...cutting board!!!😂😂😂😂
Randy , the Cheapaudioman, what Amp / Receiver did you or do you regularly use when testing the speakers. I just ordered these Elacs to compliment my Elac Debut 6.2s. I will be connecting both pairs as A and B speakers in the same finished basement studio setup construed during COVID pandemic to a Denon DRA-800H RECEIVER. I am being tempted to add another Amp to connect the Zone 2 of the Denon to another set of speakers , Fluance Signature Series Surround HiFi Bookshelf speakers. The new Elac Reference speakers will replce the Flus in my current 2 pairs of speaker setup. IOTA Sax Integratec Amp ? Be well and safe. Oh BTW, from where do you Roam from?
Emotiva TA-100. It's great. emotiva.com?aff=9
Anyone out there care to share some advice?
Would these speakers be overkill for a tiny (7.5' x 12.5') room? It's a toss up between these and the db52... or potentially smaller with klipsch 400m (I have r-41pm's for my computer speaker that I enjoy, but wouldn't mind something 'flatter'). I appreciate that the DBR62's have a better build quality, thus would rather invest once...
I guess my question is do these perform well at low volumes or would i be better off with something smaller and more appropriate for my tiny room
What did you end up deciding? Similar question here as well.
Not asking you this ????? As an insult.
Do you or would you ever review anything from Logitech?
They have a crazy ,5.1 digital surrounded 5 speaker system
With a self powered 12" subwoofer & with power watts to spare .!!!!!!!
Priced between 375-500$, I've had a couple of the older models,
& Personally never had so much fun with any stereo,ever!
Great to hear your views on them? Great show!!!
I have a set of Logitech 2.1 computer set ups and it’s amazing.
@@cheapaudioman the 5.1 with those hard aluminum tweeters I had was like 500 watts or something crazy, with a self powered 12" sub literally bumped things from other shelves,I know u say take the bass away, for some reason u wanted to push the bass in this thing,lol
How to make a story long.....
In what color do they look better? White or black?
Recently bought the Wharedale Denton 85 and find them very bright and occasionally harsh. Cymbals and sibilance become grating. Would you recommend this as a replacement?
These are not harsh at all. I haven’t heard the Dentons though.
What would be a great speaker for rears for surround sound
You know with surrounds watching movies it doesn't particularly matter all that much because voices rarely come out of the rears so cohesive voicing amongst speakers matters much less with rears. If you are doing a lot of music listening with a stereo setting on the receiver then I'd go with the B6.2s. I have different brands of speakers for my surrounds and it's just fine. So I'd go with something smaller and more affordable. The Neumi BS5's would be a very nice compliment to these and are about $90 on amazon right now. Heck, they even have a similar color scheme. I'm doing a sub $100 speaker shootout tomorrow and you can hear more. But I wouldn't spend a ton on surrounds unless you just have to have something really good.
@@cheapaudioman i also like listening to all kinds of music and loud same as my movies. I ready have klipsch satellites quintet ii so I'm wanting to upgrade. I'm in the process of getting the klipsch rp 504c . And their 402s or 502 for my surrounds. Just want to work on my rears . I listen to my music on the stereo all channels
What amp(s) do you usually use?
Emotiva TA100 or the Anthem Integrated 225. For less expensive speakers I pair them with the Fosi audio as well as the others mentioned.
So you don't like them.
I agree with your point about the grills. There is a little loss of air and delicacy when listening with the grills on. I think I read somewhere that Andrew Jones voiced these speakers without the grills. Too bad, because the grills look great.
You know, I think they sound great with the grills too. After a while with the grills on my brain got accustomed to the sound and the detail came back a bit.
Elac Debut Reference vs Dali Oberon 3?? :)
I had the opportunity to audition both 2 days ago at a local stereo outlet. I felt the Debut Reference had slightly greater clarity, with less-forward & more controlled bass. The Oberon 3 had more pronounced bass, with very good clarity as well. Both are superb speakers, giving tremendous value for their price (with the Dali being slightly cheaper than the Elac). It comes down to personal preference. For my tastes, I ended up getting the Debut Reference.