I am also a retired master electrician, and agree with the comment above saying that that the wiring should be in some kind of a conduit and not just loose in the wall. Another option would be to use number six Romax as one trade name as it’s called and mark the wires accordingly or of course, a conduit.
Except technically you shouldn't use #6 Romex with a 60 amp breaker (to be run at 48 amp, the max setting for the Gen 3 Wall Connector) per NEC, unless you happen to be in New Jersey, which interprets NEC "creatively."
@@sayso6119 Romex or THHN is not the issue. It just depends on the amperage. #6 Romex is fine if you're running 40 amps (on a 50 amp breaker) for example.
As a retired master electrician I can tell you have skills and knowledge in the trade and it’s disappointing to see you do this job in your own house. I’m sure you know that the wires should be in a conduit or flex and I’m sure you know the white wire is being used as a ground and should be identified with green tape. You had an opportunity to teach people how to do this job but all you did was teach them to do the job wrong. I hope you take pride in your work and do the job right with an updated video. Do the job right the first time and you won’t need to redo it.
@@bestgames4daysseveral reasons actually. First being that it is code that live conductors must be protected secondly as electricity passes thru the conductors they will heat up. Especially a high amperage draw like the Tesla needs. If the wire heats up too much it will burn the wood that the wires are run thru. If those wires were in conduit there works be less chance of fire
@@paulbriamroy Not exactly, however, you are about 90% right. There are structures with concrete blocks that won't need conduit piping if it's inside behind drywall. Furthermore, certain regions will heat up wires more than others in piping. Examples of this include South Florida, certain parts of Texas, etc. You can use the UF-B cable, which is the only NM cable that can be installed underground having a better jacket insulator. I don't recommend this video to the average homeowner or the DYI installer without a certified local electrician.
Thanks for the video. I myself wanted to diy and this is really helpful. I will use conduit wire as recommended in comments and improvise it but this really helped build the fundamental part of it. For those who are criticizing it, this is an informational video and there is always a room for improving, so whoever is planning to do it themself, they should not just watch the video and do it but rather do their own research and make the decision. Thanks and cheers!
Came here to learn to DIY the installation.. almost left happy at the end of the video but then I read the comments. Yo ‘experts’, leave a link to a video you deem is up to code. Don’t just criticize and split.
Thanks for the support! My setup has been working for two months now with no issues. I understand it may not be a perfect installation, but it is pretty close to the standards.
Anybody with half a brain knows that needs to be in a conduit you don't need to upload a video just go check your code book that is the stupidest install possible you never and I repeat never ever ever ever ever run bare wire in a wall Let me repeat that never run bare wire in a wall anyways
@@mrfunkington These are not regular wires. That's THHN. Romex can be used for up to 55 amps. That was my mistake. I'm thinking of rerunning the wires in the conduit to bring it up to code.
What precisely is the risk with THHN wiring being not in conduit? I'm not challenging you, I just want to know what exactly can go wrong. Romex can be installed without conduit. Is that sheathing truly that protective?
@@sonovabeachSo it's all according to the NEC. Is Romex sheathing a great protection barrier? No. It's better than nothing, and code is always a minimum standard. Thhn loose in a wall has more fire potential than Romex in testing. Thus, a conduit raceway is required. It's written by the NFPA after all, fire prevention is the key. Hope that helps
@@Matthew-fk2vv do you have references for any of this? i know it seems like it's correct but it also sounds like the same explanation on why they told us to wear masks. just becauses one ORG declares it does not mean we arent allowed to use our reason and understanding of science of realize WHY they recommend it and IF you should follow that.
All you electricians obviously know he didn't install up to code, but instead of sitting here and critique him (btw, his replies are all professional). Just post the proper ways or just move on.
So, hearing "master electrician" comments here about how wrong this job is... I'd love to hear the technical/scientific reasons as to what he did wrong. Don't just quote NEC excerpts, explain it. By that I mean, if THHN needs to be in conduit, why? Is it somehow going to burn up and melt because it's not encased in a tube? Does a plastic tube actually effect the current capacity of the wire, or is it a simple thermal thing? If not thermal, abrasion issue? Please, I am genuinely curious. I mean, mine is installed with 6/2 Romex, but that seems no more or less safe than this THHN install. That sheathing on romex doesn't seem significant enough to protect against much of anything and kinda looks to serve only as a container. I mean this in the most NON hostile way. But I hear a lot of naysayer tradesman say things like, "idiot homeowner", etc. If you guys are going to call this wrong, stupid, dangerous, etc, tell us why. Not looking for trade secrets (that's impossible), just looking to understand actual tangible safety issues with this particular installation.
@@bestgames4days Bingo. You notice not one electrician answered. They all love to brag about their ability to spot code violations but can't explain why the code exists or what safety it provides.
Not an electrician, but I think it boils down to safety. If a wire is pushed beyond its limits there is risk of fire, electrocution, etc. The amperage rating of a wire is a combination of the conductor and the insulation/jacket materials. So yes, it is more of a thermal limit of the insulating material. Your #6 NM cable has a 55A rating. That same #6 in a metal clad jacket has a 75A rating. So putting THHN wires in conduit raises its amperage rating
The main reason I know some of these numbers is I’m installing my own wall charger and did some research on a lot of this wiring. Personally, I’m going with #6 metal clad on a 60A breaker. That will allow me to safely use the wall charger at its max amperage of 48A
nice stuff, I want a tesla but my circuit breaker is in the basement towards the backyard while my garage is obviously at the front of the house. It seems a bit of an obstacle to get this work done, what would you suggest? Most of the videos I see the circuit breaker is in the garage as well
@@TrendyStone yeah I have the regular 120v outlets in my garage, but I feel like it would be insanely slow charging? Like i'd only add 90km of charging? I might just go for a mild hybrid like the CR-V hybrid instead
@@DIY-repair We own two Tesla’s and with a 20 amp 120V outlet we get 6 miles per hour of charging. With a Cybertruck it should be 3-4 miles per hour….so 18 hours would give you ~70-90 miles. I installed a sub panel and two wall connectors myself in our garage, but I’m an engineer. Some people might find it difficult to run #4 or #6 wire to their garage.
@@bestgames4daysper other comments there are various things wrong and not done within code. A: THHN Needs to be protected in a conduit or flex to the panel B: he used a non standard color for ground and did not color it as such (white is neutral, and the cables should been marked green somehow for ground). I am also not a licensed electrician but as one who lives in a state where a home owner is allowed to perform their own electrical work I still research and ensure all my work is to code.
Just wrong. You didn't use a torque screwdriver to torque to spec (torque, wiggle, torque, wiggle, torque) for the TWC wall plate or breaker (you barely tightened it), you didn't properly protect the wire insulation from being cut by the knockout hole in the breaker box (used totally wrong fitting, you used a romex fitting on the THHN wire in the TWC wall plate. Dangerous and you will be sleeping in this house while charging? Not me. If you change to romex then use the correct to clamp fittings and you must use romex 4 gauge (4/2 or 4/3 and use the third insulated wire for ground and cap bare ground). So much is wrong here yet you have the skills to do it right so just why or why! Remember this is a continuous load circuit and that can build up heat unlike just about everything else in your house so every step is important to prevent a fire which would give EV's a bad reputation. Please be safe and fix these issues.
That’s the wrong way.. you should have used Romax or flex.. not the way to do it.. that’s a fail inspection.. those wires need to be protected.. and you did not do that..
Wow there is so many things you did wrong. Numerous code violations. it's scary you obviously have no idea what your doing and you really should not be posting this so other people who might not know what there doing can see this and copy your mistakes. This is dangerous. Codes are to protect life and property. You created a dangerous situation with this horrifically poor install.
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I am also a retired master electrician, and agree with the comment above saying that that the wiring should be in some kind of a conduit and not just loose in the wall. Another option would be to use number six Romax as one trade name as it’s called and mark the wires accordingly or of course, a conduit.
Except technically you shouldn't use #6 Romex with a 60 amp breaker (to be run at 48 amp, the max setting for the Gen 3 Wall Connector) per NEC, unless you happen to be in New Jersey, which interprets NEC "creatively."
@@TrendyStone tesla requires you to use minimum #6awg 90C copper (THHN) like he said in the video. so you shouldn't be using Romex anyways
@@sayso6119 Romex or THHN is not the issue. It just depends on the amperage. #6 Romex is fine if you're running 40 amps (on a 50 amp breaker) for example.
why though?
As a retired master electrician I can tell you have skills and knowledge in the trade and it’s disappointing to see you do this job in your own house. I’m sure you know that the wires should be in a conduit or flex and I’m sure you know the white wire is being used as a ground and should be identified with green tape. You had an opportunity to teach people how to do this job but all you did was teach them to do the job wrong. I hope you take pride in your work and do the job right with an updated video. Do the job right the first time and you won’t need to redo it.
I totally concur! Well said.
you didn't explain why we need to conduit though.
@@bestgames4daysseveral reasons actually. First being that it is code that live conductors must be protected secondly as electricity passes thru the conductors they will heat up. Especially a high amperage draw like the Tesla needs. If the wire heats up too much it will burn the wood that the wires are run thru. If those wires were in conduit there works be less chance of fire
@@paulbriamroy Not exactly, however, you are about 90% right. There are structures with concrete blocks that won't need conduit piping if it's inside behind drywall. Furthermore, certain regions will heat up wires more than others in piping. Examples of this include South Florida, certain parts of Texas, etc. You can use the UF-B cable, which is the only NM cable that can be installed underground having a better jacket insulator. I don't recommend this video to the average homeowner or the DYI installer without a certified local electrician.
It’s not that bad,common!
Thanks for the video. I myself wanted to diy and this is really helpful. I will use conduit wire as recommended in comments and improvise it but this really helped build the fundamental part of it.
For those who are criticizing it, this is an informational video and there is always a room for improving, so whoever is planning to do it themself, they should not just watch the video and do it but rather do their own research and make the decision.
Thanks and cheers!
Came here to learn to DIY the installation.. almost left happy at the end of the video but then I read the comments. Yo ‘experts’, leave a link to a video you deem is up to code. Don’t just criticize and split.
Thanks for the support!
My setup has been working for two months now with no issues. I understand it may not be a perfect installation, but it is pretty close to the standards.
Anybody with half a brain knows that needs to be in a conduit you don't need to upload a video just go check your code book that is the stupidest install possible you never and I repeat never ever ever ever ever run bare wire in a wall Let me repeat that never run bare wire in a wall anyways
You can't run regular wires through a wall, it needs to be Romex or flex conduit. I'm not an electrician, and I know this.
@@mrfunkington These are not regular wires. That's THHN. Romex can be used for up to 55 amps.
That was my mistake. I'm thinking of rerunning the wires in the conduit to bring it up to code.
What to do with white wire in my 6/3 with ground I have for it?
WTH, there are numerous code violations in the wiring. It's incredibly risky for THHN wires to be exposed without conduit.
Agreed. I did it in my house and know for sure that no one will damage it in the future during any repairs. Thanks for pointing it out!
That’s when the owner says I can do it to save money
What precisely is the risk with THHN wiring being not in conduit? I'm not challenging you, I just want to know what exactly can go wrong. Romex can be installed without conduit. Is that sheathing truly that protective?
@@sonovabeachSo it's all according to the NEC. Is Romex sheathing a great protection barrier? No. It's better than nothing, and code is always a minimum standard. Thhn loose in a wall has more fire potential than Romex in testing. Thus, a conduit raceway is required. It's written by the NFPA after all, fire prevention is the key. Hope that helps
@@Matthew-fk2vv do you have references for any of this? i know it seems like it's correct but it also sounds like the same explanation on why they told us to wear masks. just becauses one ORG declares it does not mean we arent allowed to use our reason and understanding of science of realize WHY they recommend it and IF you should follow that.
Awesome installation. It was therapeutic. May I ask what camera you used for your pov?
Thanks. I used that one - amzn.to/4bK40NN
All you electricians obviously know he didn't install up to code, but instead of sitting here and critique him (btw, his replies are all professional). Just post the proper ways or just move on.
what if you have sunpanels ????
Amazing work ! Thanks for the video. I'm waiting for my wall charger, just ordered a new one . I'll get back here after installed . 🤐😓🤞
I love this type of videoes
So, hearing "master electrician" comments here about how wrong this job is...
I'd love to hear the technical/scientific reasons as to what he did wrong. Don't just quote NEC excerpts, explain it. By that I mean, if THHN needs to be in conduit, why? Is it somehow going to burn up and melt because it's not encased in a tube? Does a plastic tube actually effect the current capacity of the wire, or is it a simple thermal thing? If not thermal, abrasion issue? Please, I am genuinely curious. I mean, mine is installed with 6/2 Romex, but that seems no more or less safe than this THHN install. That sheathing on romex doesn't seem significant enough to protect against much of anything and kinda looks to serve only as a container.
I mean this in the most NON hostile way. But I hear a lot of naysayer tradesman say things like, "idiot homeowner", etc. If you guys are going to call this wrong, stupid, dangerous, etc, tell us why. Not looking for trade secrets (that's impossible), just looking to understand actual tangible safety issues with this particular installation.
iwould also like to know. there seems to be people just attempting to stop others from this DIY
@@bestgames4days Bingo. You notice not one electrician answered. They all love to brag about their ability to spot code violations but can't explain why the code exists or what safety it provides.
Not an electrician, but I think it boils down to safety. If a wire is pushed beyond its limits there is risk of fire, electrocution, etc.
The amperage rating of a wire is a combination of the conductor and the insulation/jacket materials. So yes, it is more of a thermal limit of the insulating material.
Your #6 NM cable has a 55A rating. That same #6 in a metal clad jacket has a 75A rating.
So putting THHN wires in conduit raises its amperage rating
The main reason I know some of these numbers is I’m installing my own wall charger and did some research on a lot of this wiring. Personally, I’m going with #6 metal clad on a 60A breaker. That will allow me to safely use the wall charger at its max amperage of 48A
nice stuff, I want a tesla but my circuit breaker is in the basement towards the backyard while my garage is obviously at the front of the house. It seems a bit of an obstacle to get this work done, what would you suggest? Most of the videos I see the circuit breaker is in the garage as well
In that case, you must run a conduit with wire to the garage.
Do you have any power in your garage? You can charge at 120V and if you charge overnight that might be fine..
@@TrendyStone yeah I have the regular 120v outlets in my garage, but I feel like it would be insanely slow charging? Like i'd only add 90km of charging? I might just go for a mild hybrid like the CR-V hybrid instead
@@TrendyStone@TrendyStone, have you ever charged the Cybertruck using a 120V outlet? That takes forever.
@@DIY-repair We own two Tesla’s and with a 20 amp 120V outlet we get 6 miles per hour of charging. With a Cybertruck it should be 3-4 miles per hour….so 18 hours would give you ~70-90 miles.
I installed a sub panel and two wall connectors myself in our garage, but I’m an engineer. Some people might find it difficult to run #4 or #6 wire to their garage.
So dangerous. I hope he is not doing this for others.
explain?
@@bestgames4daysper other comments there are various things wrong and not done within code. A: THHN Needs to be protected in a conduit or flex to the panel B: he used a non standard color for ground and did not color it as such (white is neutral, and the cables should been marked green somehow for ground). I am also not a licensed electrician but as one who lives in a state where a home owner is allowed to perform their own electrical work I still research and ensure all my work is to code.
That’s absolutely one way not to do it! THHN should not be running through a wall without conduit 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 you could’ve use Romex 6/2🤯🤯
Romex 6/2 is not rated for 60 amps. It yeah could have used romex.
Tesla requires the wires to be minimum #6 awg 90C THHN copper. Next option is to use 6-6-8 SER wire (2 hots & 1 ground wire)
Romex connectors on THHN wire and the wrong way 🤯🤯 scary shit 🙃
Also not in conduit.
why?
supposed to be ROMEX with the jacket on !!!!!!!! NOT LOOSE WIRES !!!!!! MUST Hire a Qualify ELECTRICIAN
explain?
Just FYI, ROMEX has max 55 AMP rating.
Great
Just wrong. You didn't use a torque screwdriver to torque to spec (torque, wiggle, torque, wiggle, torque) for the TWC wall plate or breaker (you barely tightened it), you didn't properly protect the wire insulation from being cut by the knockout hole in the breaker box (used totally wrong fitting, you used a romex fitting on the THHN wire in the TWC wall plate. Dangerous and you will be sleeping in this house while charging? Not me. If you change to romex then use the correct to clamp fittings and you must use romex 4 gauge (4/2 or 4/3 and use the third insulated wire for ground and cap bare ground). So much is wrong here yet you have the skills to do it right so just why or why! Remember this is a continuous load circuit and that can build up heat unlike just about everything else in your house so every step is important to prevent a fire which would give EV's a bad reputation. Please be safe and fix these issues.
I'll work on it; thanks for the advice!
Man this DYI’s are horrible, half of the them putting themselves to risk just to save $300 bucks, just hire a licensed person.
explain?
That’s the wrong way.. you should have used Romax or flex.. not the way to do it.. that’s a fail inspection.. those wires need to be protected.. and you did not do that..
You should NEVER do electrical wiring or installation yourself.
It's your choice and I'm just sharing my experience!
When a Handyman has no idea what he’s doing 🙈
omg
Wow there is so many things you did wrong. Numerous code violations. it's scary you obviously have no idea what your doing and you really should not be posting this so other people who might not know what there doing can see this and copy your mistakes. This is dangerous. Codes are to protect life and property. You created a dangerous situation with this horrifically poor install.
Instead of criticism, specify areas for improvement or outline the necessary requirements.
I don't think there are so MANY mistakes. I may have some.