Tesla Wall Charger installation (Gen 3)
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- In this video I install a Tesla Generation 3 wall connector / charger. I use 6/3 wire and a 60 amp circuit breaker. The mobile charger is no longer included with a Tesla so you either have to buy a mobile charger or a wall connector / charger. The Wall Charger does charge faster and makes more sense. Elon Musk has posted this and says statistics show that mobile chargers are not being used.
Please do at your own risk, this is not electrical advise, and if you are unsure please hire a licenced electrician in your area. Electrical codes vary from area to area, and what may pass in one area may fail in another. This video is for entertainment purposes.
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Perfect tutorial. The charger placement and surface the same as what we're doing, so that was super helpful. What's best is that you answered questions that Tesla didn't, which is, can you provision non-Tesla vehicles. Thanks for the great vid. Cheers.
Thanks so much, really appreciate the comment :) thank you !!
Excellent video. Thank you for reminding me that there’s a reason I’m not a handyman. Looks like I’ll be calling an electrician. 😂😂
Thanks for the comment, hope you are having a good weekend !!
Great video, my take away is im going to need an electrician lol.... however thanks for breaking things down so i could really see what is involved.
Thank you for the great comment, and hope you enjoyed your weekend. Not sure which Tesla you bought, I got the Y. Love it !!
That pipe cutter looks so handy. Good installation tutorial.
Thanks so much, I do appreciate the comment. Tesla is coming soon. Much better for the environment :)
Like! Awesome tutorial! Thank you for the knowledge. This was good for me to see (and listen to), as I haven't started looking to electrical cars as yet.
Thanks so much for the comment, electric cars are the way of the future so good to know this. Thank you again :)
Clear, fast! Love your video.
Thanks so much for the great comment !!! Much appreciated :)
Quick and to the point! Thanks for the video.
Thank you for the great comment !!
One of the best tesla wall connector videos that I have seen, and I have been searching. Thank you! I used much of the same things you did but to save money I went with the 6/2 wire.
Thanks for the great comment !!! I would have bought 6/2 like you, but it was not available where I am, plus I used extra wire I had from a former hot tub install. Thanks again !!!
Using 6/2 would have been the correct way to go.
6/3 or 4/3 is better. If you ever sell your home, future owners with EVs other than a Tesla may have an EVSE that uses a 4 wire configuration with a neutral wire.
Why make them go through rewiring your 3 wire circuit? Future-proof it.
@@dvader3263 It's a bit too late now! 😂
FWIW, the 6/2 is doing fine - no heat or V Drop issues. Also FWIW, the entire industry is moving towards Tesla's NAC connection and by the end of 2025, it will be rare to find anything else. Kinda like the VHS/Beta thing.
Cheers!
So can i use my existing Romex 6/3 wire from my NEMA 14-50 outlet i installed, if i change the circuit breaker in the panel to a 60amp breaker?
Great video, helped me so much!
Thank you for the great comment and glad I could help !!
Great video. I can just get my handyman to do this who has a ton of experience with electrical work. Hardest part for me is I’ll have to have the cable run through my ceiling in my living room, and then down inside drywall in one of my bedroom closets to get down into the garage, as my panel is on the 2nd level. He can do all the drywall plastering and painting afterwards.
Thanks for the comment, yup that is a lot of work. I'm surprised your panel is on the second level. He is going to get dirty running that wire LOL :)
@@GarageKing ya it’s an incredibly inconvenient setup. I guess the developers back in 2001 didn’t really predict the EV craze 20 years down the road. I’m hoping he can just fish the cable through without having to cut open a lot of drywall.
@@BengalTiger47 Right !!! The 6 gauge is not the easiest to fish around. My main panel box is in the basement and I had to go through the ceiling (before the basement was finished) to get that 6 gauge out to the back of the house for a hot tub, and it was not easy as that wire is pretty thick. Let's hope he can find a way to make it the least intrusive.
Wow Beautiful video my Dear. Keep uploading more videos. Love to see your work. Thank you for sharing :)19
Thank you, and happy Saturday to you !!!
Excellent instructional video.
Thank you !!
Thanks for the video! I’m interested in your prep for mounting the box to the brick. What masonry bit size did you use for the pilot holes? And did you use the included screws or concrete rated fasteners?
Hey Thanks for the comment. I believe I used concrete rated fasteners, the blue ones you can get from Home Depot. I forget the size, but the screws came with the drill bit, I think they were called "Rock" or something like that. They would be equivalent to a #8 wood screw (about that size and about 2.5" deep so you can get past the first part of the brick, through the hollow and into the second part. You need to get into the second part because sometime part of the brick flakes away. Its still holding great !!! The only thing I should have done differently with the electrical was I should have stripped the sheathing off the wires so they are not held so tight when run in the conduit. I actually did that later on. I also stripped the white wire bare, so now the ground is bare. I got flamed from putting that tape on the white wire LOL:) Happy Sunday to you
Ny sharing big lykee 👌 thanks
Thank you :)
I wish someone would demonstrate a installation like this for people who don't have enclosed garages,
my garage is now a enclosed bedroom with only 120 Volt regular USA household outlets, and my breaker box is located on the outside of the house
over 60 feet away from where I would place the wall charger in the converted garage bedroom, and most likely place the charging handle out the window
each time to charge the car, but nobody on TH-cam demonstrates how to overcome such challenges, all these videos assume EV owners all own or must own enclosed garages,
and not everyone the USA probably should have one of these installed outdoors due to severe heat or severe cold degrradation concerns, like I would have out here in the
southwest, (I personally am distrustful of any manufacturer's claims these can work properly year after year in 100 plus temperatures) I'de rather have only the
smallest portion of the cable and handle exposed to the outdoors temps at night where the warmest it get's is 90 degrees and coldest it get's is like 38 degrees,
(this is true for much of the southwest for most of the extreme temp swings of New Mexico, Arizona, UTAH, Nevada, and Southern, CA ) (even Texas and Florida are very humid , are these chargers and cables installed outdoors going to able to withstand that much humidity as well?)
Hi There, if I read right yours would just be the opposite, you could run the conduit on the outside, and then drill though the wall like I did, but mount the charger on the inside. For me breaker box on inside, and charger on outside. For you breaker box on outside, and charger on inside. Also if you are curious the wall charger is still working great being mounted on the outside and I'm in Canada (some tough weather) Also because you have such a long run I would look at wire size. You may want to step up. Also run individuals wires in the conduit. I later stripped the sheathing off mine so they are now all individual wires so they have more breathing room to dissipate heat. Thanks for the comment
Great video 👏👏👍
Thanks so much for the comment, much appreciated :)
Perfectly done mate. I now know how it is done. I have all the tools and about to order the charger. Now I am not sure on one thing. Which one to get the universal or the regular Tesla wall connector. 😆 lol
Hey thanks for the comment, you sound like you know which one you will buy LOL :)
Hi, thanks for sharing this video. Maybe i've already read some comments below about that, but i'm still in a doubt. Is it possible, with the Gen 3, to use any kind of dynamic load balance, or integration with solar systems to use production excess for example?
Hey There, there was nothing on integration with solar, at least not that I remember. I don't have a solar roof, but I sure wish I did and thanks for the comment :)
The sub panel feeder cable connector is backwards. The lock nut should be inside the panel, not outside, and the clamp should be on the outside, not inside. Good video.
Hey Thanks for the comment, appreciate your knowledge, that one I'll have to take up with the electrician who installed the subpanel. They were licensed by the builder contracted to construct the house. Good eye !!!
You may want to use the regular ground there is a reason why the ground is sized smaller than the conductors and it is to act as a safety measure, the bigger you go it is not going to protect the circuit as fast. There is a Table that tells you what size ground should be used per AMP load also Romex is never allowed in conduit unless specified per manufacture like legrand metal wire mold
Hey Thanks for the comment, I actually stripped the wire and re-ran, it was easy as it was a pretty straight run, also no white wire being used anymore for the ground. Thanks!!
I would be interested in how a larger ground conductor doesn't protect the circuit as fast. Grounding conductors are allowed to be sized smaller as they are not intended to carry current under normal conditions. They are relied upon to carry fault current long enough to open the branch circuit protector, thus there is no concern for overheating.
Depending on the country, you can run nm cable in conduit, here in the US that change was made to the 2002 NEC I believe. It will be MUCH harder to pull, but it is an acceptable method.
@@hopkinsfamily1891 I think it is because there are other more bad faults that you can get on the ground, and you don't ever want the ground wire carrying full current.
Lol this make no sense.
1) Per NEC, Romex can indeed go in conduit as long as it is not outdoors (a garage is ok and common). 2) the reason you can use a smaller ground wire is to save cost. Going up in size doesn't decrease the functionality of the ground.
Thank you for the extremely helpful video. :) What size PVC did you use? How did you decide the PVC to the charger?
Hey Thanks for the comment, you caught me at a good time when I'm checking messages :) To secure the PCV to the charger I just used that threaded connector you saw in the video, but put an extended it so it pushed out of the wall more, then you can just put a big nut on, you can get those nuts at Home Depot. For the PCV tubing I used 1 1/4" and 6/3 wire.
@@GarageKing Ty. Any what size drill bits did you use for the mounting screw holes?
@@joshuaglickman1871 Hey There, I used 1/4" masonry screws and I used a 3/16" hammer drill bit to make the holes :)
Great video. A lot of negative comments about code violations, but the code was written to protect the idiots in society. Nothing done here is a safety concern. The only issue is if someone in the future removes the Tesla connector and used the circuit for a full 60amp load. ... but that's their problem for not doing their due diligence.
Thank you kindly for the very down to earth reply, truly appreciate it, and happy Saturday to you !!
Hello, I have a question. How long did you receive the Wall Connector after order it? I’m about to order it and don’t know how long it will take.
Hey there, so sorry for the late reply. It took about 2 weeks and I'm in Canada so it came pretty quick !!!!
Great video
Thanks for the comment, I do appreciate it !!
Thank you for this great tutorial ! Just had an electrician install mine yesterday : how hard was it for you to push the main unit into the backing plate ? Mine was extremely hard and one top screw was stripped in the process. It seems that the seal was hard to compress...Thanks again !
Hey thanks for the comment. I remember those bolts being tight. I really lined it up, and then I started all the bolts and kept going around until they were snug. I think that was the key in my installation.
how much did the electrician charge?
Nice video. Thanks. So you used a 6/3 wire with the ground, but cut off the ground and used the white neutral as the ground. I assume that means it is ok to buy 6/2 with a ground for this installation? Is that correct? Thanks.
Yes you are 100% correct, the only reason I used 6/3 was because I had extra from the hot tub. 6/2 is better as 6/3 is a waste (I just had extra)
Did you buy the additional breakers for the connection to the Tesla charger or did you use the ones that are already installed and not being used?
I bought an additional breaker, as the ones that were already installed were too small.
what size of the drill bit that you used to drill the holes on the brick wall for mounting the box?
I bought those blue concrete bolts and usually they come with a drill bit. You have to get the drill bit to match the bolt size, so I recommend getting one of those boxes with like 10 bolts and is comes with a drill bit. You don't want to accidentally drill too big of a hole.........
Great Video. Can you please post as to where you bought the wires ? May be a link to the purchase site
Hi There, I just bought them at Home Depot in bulk. That is the best way. You can pick up a roll on Amazon, but it may not be enough, or could be too much and the wire is VERY expensive so i would measure how much you need, add a few feet (like 6 so you don't run short in the panel box) and for error, and buy that amount. You don't have to use Home Depot, you could go to any place that sells electrical wire.
The mobile charger can charge at 30kwh but you need to install a 50amp nema outlet and then buy the $35 adapter cable from Tesla to get higher output.
Hey thanks for the comment. The mobile charger is excellent. The one thing the wall charger really has is that you can turn it on and off whenever you want and you can adjust the amps so it’s very customizable from your phone.
Where did you buy the cable? I’m doing the same thing right now. Sub panel and everything. Yours is really neat man
Hey there, got it from the local Home Depot
@@GarageKing sweet. Thanks
@@luisledesma5992 For sure, have a great weekend :)
What I've been reading about wire size is that the wire you run has to be oversized. So if you're running your charger for 60amp meaning a max of 48amp is running through your wire still needs to be rated for the full 60 amps
Yes you are correct and if you use 6 gauge copper, it is rated anywhere between 55-75 amps depending on its temperature rating, and how it's run. I should have covered that in the video and it would have clarified a lot of things. I changed mine to individual cables in the conduit.
@@GarageKing I've just been trying to wrap my head around what would be required to do this for our home, as I've seen such differing information on the topic
Thanks for replying!
@@tenorsax856 Hope I helped, and I think the reason there is so much variance is the electrical codes vary between jurisdictions, I followed the Tesla instructions on mine, and then ran separate wires afterwards which was easy to do in my case as it was a pretty straight run. The thing no one talks about is the actual charging amperage used. Mine rarely uses over 30 amps. Most of the time I'm between 10-20 as I trickle charge my car every night. I think charging at 48amps every time is hard on the batteries, why rush it? Just top it up to about 80% every night.
Now at the end you said you can set to what you want. Does that mean you can run it on a 50a circuit?
You can set it to what you want, but you are limited to the size circuit breaker you use. For example, if you use a 20amp circuit breaker you can set it to any amps 20 or under. Don't ask me how the car knows what circuit breaker you use, it just does somehow. Keep in mind the max draw is 48amp when using a 60amp breaker. The car regulates the current.
I knew you were in Canada the moment you said Hydro ! :D Love the video. Thank you. May I ask why you installed it outside? is the charger weatherproof? specially for Canadian winter?
Hey there and thanks for the comment :) I have a classic in the garage so the Tesla has to go outside. The charger is waterproof and has made it through one Canadian winter with no issues. I did mount it between the houses so its not exposed to direct sunlight, and the rain kinda misses it, but it is rated for outdoor.
@@GarageKing sweet. are you happy woth your Tesla so far? I am considering getting model 3 RWD to replace my diesel ML350. Did RWD ever got you stuck or fish tailed in Canadian winter?
@@mistrykr I have the Model Y so its AWD. I think Tesla just lowered the prices and the Y was lowered more than the 3, so I think the Y is the sweet spot if you can swing it. The Y handles great, the heater comes on really quick (no gas motor to warm up) and it does not affect the range as much as people say. I plug mine in ever night and top it up to about 400kms (80%). I usually charge around 15ams max as I charge over night (cheaper electricity rate) I'm really happy with my purchase, but the one thing is (and I hear they are getting better) is the fit of all the panels, but they have some adjustment to line things up. I have about 10000kms on it, so about 6000miles and so far it has not needed anything. My neighbour has a model 3 RWD and he survives, although he does slide around a bit when we get a good snowfall. I still have my gas powered toys, but for daily driving the Tesla can't be beat :)
I have 100amp panel. i am buying model 3 rwd. will I be okay if I add 60amp breaker knwing it will only draw 32amp max?
@@mistrykr Hey there, you should check with a local electrician to make sure as I don't know what else you are running off the panel box. Normally you are fine, but you can't have more that a 100amp draw with everything combined or you will trip the main breaker, so it depends whats running when you are charging. I have a 200amp main panel, and the sub panel in the garage is 100amp. You are right, the Model 3 RWD will only draw 32amps, and you know technically you could buy a cheaper 40amp Level 2 (240V) charger and it would be just as fast as the wall connector as your car will not take more than 32amp. I think people get a bit hung up on the charge speed. I top mine off every night to 80% and I'm around 9amps, that's all I use and I trickle charge it overnight. If you are in a hurry then I guess the speed matters, but just top off every night and you are fine on slow charging, which is probably better for the battery anyway. Also make sure you use 6 gauge wire.
we installed the Tesla wall connector today, but when connecting to the wall connector Wi-Fi, it keeps showing that there is no Internet connection, so I can't enter the wall connector setting page, but I can't enter the Ip page! Do you know why? Is it because the wall connector Wi-Fi is broken? Or do you need a car next to you? Or for other reasons?
Hey there and thanks for the comment :) Its normal to see the wall connector not connected to the internet. Go on your phones setting and you should see the wall connector connected to wifi, but not the internet, that is normal. What you have to do is have the wall connector connected to the wifi, and then on your phone you connect to your wifi and you can access it. Somehow the wall connector "talks" to your phone. In your instructions there is an IP address, you can scan that code and enter the password of the wall connector (its in the little manual that came with your connector) If the scan does not work with the phone you can manually type in the address that is in that little booklet. It can take a bit of monkeying around. For me it was not easy to get it right, and it took a few "takes" to make it look good for the video. You don't need the car as far as I know, as I was able to set mine up about a week before I got my car.
So if you use the bare copper as ground the way its supposed to be what do you do with the white?
Well the best thing to do is to take the sheathing off (that holds all the wire together) and what I did was run the red, black, and I stripped the white bare and used that as a ground so I only have 3 wires now. That I did a few months after.
What is wire size connected to sub panel on 100A breaker?
I think the wire the builder used was 3 gauge copper as the run from the 100amp sub panel to the 200amp main panel is not very long (about 40 feet) That wire is thick and I felt sorry for the electrician as it is not easy to work with.
Nice explanation
Thank you for the comment
Please do not mislead people!
Here in US your whole proses is code violation
1-you can’t run romex wire in the conduit
2-you can’t tape any color wire to ground wire (specially in the size that you are using)the ground wire should be bare that you already had it or be green.
In your condition you should use a single conductor which is gonna be 6awg thhn (black and red) that is rated up to 75amp and 10awg green (for ground) and it’s gonna be more efficient and cheaper than romex wire that you used.
Thanks for the comment. I’m not in the US so I understand the codes vary country to county. I did put a disclaimer that everyone should check their local codes as it’s impossible to do a video that is shown worldwide and meet all codes worldwide. I think the biggest thing in this video was to show all the mounting. I do appreciate your comment and see where you are coming from.
Actually you can run Romex through conduit in certain situations-
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I found a video where you can run Romex amzn.to/3loPWnz This is a dry location and the pipe is big. When the weather gets warmer I'm going to strip the wire I used for a ground, this way its bare, that part does bother me.
@@GarageKing You can definitely run Romex in conduit, but you cannot reidentify black wire for the grounded (white) or grounding (green). The CEC states that, for 6 AWG or smaller, the grounded and grounding wires must be of appropriate color along their entire length. This installation would fail inspection in Canada.
I know, and I followed up with another comment where I pulled the wire and stripped it, so the white wire is now bare copper. Appreciate the comment. @@k2line706
I understand the ground goes on the far left side…but does it matter where the black and red wire go? The Tesla manual shows the red in the middle and the black on the right.
Any reason why you switched it up? Does it matter?
Red and Black are both hot, even though you may put them as the Tesla manual, on the circuit breaker they might be switched as its a two pole breaker so both the black and red go to the same breaker and could be in either position.
Awesome video, new friend here. Very interesting.
Thank You :) and Happy Saturday to you :)
@@GarageKing my pleasure
interesting comment in the beginning of the video: we are ok installing wire that can handle 55A on a 60A circuit breaker.
That just sounds wrong. #4 wiring is required with a 60A fuse. If you want to use #6 wire, have to go down with the breaker rating to keep it safe.
The breaker should trip before the wire reaches its max rating.
I know you are right, I went by the Tesla instal manual and used 6 gauge wire with a 60amp breaker. Thinking about it, the wall connecter will transfer a max of 48 amps. So 48amp at 125% gives you 60amp for the breaker, and this meets code. The 48amp max will keep the wire under its 55amp rating. I know it sounds funny, but that's how I'm interpreting it. I hear you about the 55amp wire on the 60amp breaker, but that wire will never carry 55 as we are limited to 48. Thanks for the comment
Why did you switch the red and black terminals? Red neutral should be in the middle ?
Hi There, there is no neutral in the wall connector set up. It's just the red and black HOT wires, and a ground. I used the white neutral as a ground because it's thicker, and I labelled it as a ground. Normally you would just have the red and black hot wires, and then a bare copper wire ground. There is no neutral.
I am installing my charger and not sure what size concrete screws to use for mounting. What is recommended???
I can't remember exactly what size I used, but concrete screws are strong. I think I had so left over ones that I used on another project. I think they may have been 1/4" which is plenty. The biggest thing is if you are drilling into brick make sure they are long enough as the center of the brick has hollow parts.
so you said you will fix the ground wire. could you put up video of fixed version? I have ground wire also and have no idea what to do with it
Yep, all I was going to do is strip the white neutral wire so its bare, everything else is the same. Its just so the white wire cover will not show. So you will have the red/black, and then a bare wire instead of the white one. The only reason I did it like that was I got the wire from the hot tube, its perfectly safe, but someone else could confuse that white wire with a neutral and its a ground (so it should be bare copper. I did tape it, but I should have just stripped the white sheathing off it. its still hooked up exactly the same way.
Is there an advantage to using 6 gauge for the ground?
No, not at all, its just that I had it.
Thanks for sharing. Would like to ask how much consumption (amps) requires for wiring connection (from DB) to Tesla gen 3 connector? Thanks
Hey There, it can vary depending on how you set up your Tesla, I trickle charge mine up every night and use form 8-12amps. I find that's enough to add about 100miles overnight. The max output is 48amps.
@@GarageKing thanks for replying 👍
@@hkklhkkl Anytime !!
You’ll notice in the sub panel the neutral and ground buses aren’t bonded. This is only done in a main panel.
You are correct, and the only panel bonded is in the basement, that's the 200amp main, then I have a 100sub in the basement, and the 100sub in the garage.
only done at the first disconnect, which is not always at the main panel.
no need a neutral for 220vac anyways....its perfect for ground applications just makes sure its labeled and taped green with no white showing also you can use a green heatshrink.
Thanks for the comment, much appreciated. I did get flamed a bit for using that neutral as a ground lol :)
Would he have been able to use 6/2 wire and use the supplied grounding conductor?
I don’t know about Canada, but in the US a grounded conductor can not be white, it has to be either green or green with a yellow stripe.
That is one thing I'm going to change, there was also some discussion about striping the sheathing off before I ran it into conduit, a lot of guys in the US said that was not right, until it was pointed out that it is allowed as long as its in a dry location, above ground, and not tight (so its ok) but as far as the ground, I'm going to strip that right back to copper so its only a copper wire, this way there would never be any confusion in the future. Thanks for the comment
I can't believe what they are charging to do installs. I did mine and my neighbors. Very simple. Less than an hour total
Oh I know, its pretty crazy, but that's what it is. I'm glad you got yours all installed !!
Thank you for the video, what is the diameter of the hole dozer
Hey there, it was just over 2" I think it was 2 and 1/8"
Question: the black and red wires are connected two different 110V AC lines (opposite phase to get 220V ?
Tesla Wall Connector manual specifies single phase !!! Please clarify.
Update few days later: my memory went bad. I remember now: the two hot wires are 110 VAC which phases are off by 180 degree. So together they give 220V single phase. If we put these two lines on an oscilloscope, we get two sine waves. Their crossing points are exactly when their voltages are at 0 (X axis). If the scope lead (one+ground) are connected to these two hot wires, we will see one single sine wave with the peaks reach 220V.
Hey There, as per Google "Two-phase service is an obsolete style of electrical power distribution ......" so there is only single phase and three phase. For the wall connector you need a two pole breaker and both wires go into the breaker, then you just need a ground.
@@GarageKing uhhhhh...he is correct in that the two conductors from panel and ultimately from the utility transformer are indeed 180 degrees out of phase...it is called single phase but....
@@jstone1211 I know, it was a naming convention I think.
Hi which gauge wire you use 6/2 or 6/3? Will 50amp work fine?
Hi There, I used 6 gauge wire with mine, you can use 6/2. The only reason I used 6/3 was because it was old hot tub wire I had and it saved me from buy new wire.
Also not sure what you mean about 50 amp? You can set the charger to whatever you want, I think between 5 and 48 amps.
Hello there! Is it j1772 plug or tesla plug gen3 wall box?
Hi there it is Tesla plug
Is there anything to look out for before installing? I also have a 100amp double pole main circuit breaker, and I'm uncertain if it would affect the electricity of my home.
Hey There, the only thing I would do different is I would strip the sheathing off the wire before running it in the conduit, now you can run romex in conduit but codes vary and the consensus is to strip it (not the black and red, just the covering that holds all the wires together) A 200amp would be better, but you know it will work. Just as an FYI - I use about 10amps to charge. I top up every night to about 80%, and I slow charge overnight so really my charger is not using much more than a hairdryer. If you can set yours to charge over the evening and night hours and spread out the charge time you won't be using much any. I never understand why people run their Tesla's low and then fast charge for a few hours, and then leave it connected for the rest of the night not charging. Why rush it? Anyway thats my take. Let me know if you have any other questions.
@GarageKing Gotcha. Thanks for taking the time to respond to my question.
@@alkalos For sure !!
you should be able to pull the wire through when the conduit is aseembled. If it's tough, then you need larger size conduits.
Thanks for the comment, I got it through. I think I used 2 1/4" conduit for that very reason.
Are you sure that there is no induced voltage on that unused ground wire? You'd better ground the other end at the panel board to prevent unwanted induced voltage.
Hey Thanks for the comment, and I'll one up that !!! I'm actually going to just remove it (its easy as its a straight line) and I'm going to strip it. It was done correctly as you can run romex in conduit if its above ground, dry, and not tight (like in a garage) but it does bother me a bit, plus I can reuse that extra wire for someting else. Thanks for the comment, I do appreciate it and if you look at the next charger I installed (its linked in that video) you will see I stripped the wire.
Hello. Is there a reason why you did not install the wall unit inside your garage? :)
Yes, the car is parked outside
Hi i got the Gen 3 installed yesterday with 60amp wire 6gage, i also commissioned the connector. the web shows max 48 amp power however when connecting to 2024 Y its only charging with 32amp and there is no way to increase the amps. What should i do?
Hi There, I think, but I'm not sure, that the car can detect the circuit. DO you have a 60amp breaker in your panel box. You can adjust on the app, or in the car, if its stopping at 32 you might have a smaller breaker. Also just fyi I rarely go to 20, most of the time I charge between 10-15 as I top it up every day to 80% so I don't wait until its empty.
my side cutter was sooo weak when cutting the 6 gauge wire. i ended up using my bolt cutter. later i got a proper wire cutter when cut the wire with ease.
Hey thanks for the reply. Its amazing what good tools will do. Hope you are enjoying your Sunday !!!
Hey buddy. Is it necessary to use the neutral as a ground? What would happens if I used the regular thin ground.
Hey There, no need to use the neutral as a ground, the thin wire is just fine. I just used it as it was there, thinking back I should have removed that neutral and sold the copper !!!
@@GarageKing thx.
@@Tworth23 For Sure !!
You want to use the unsheathed wire for your ground. Should you have a fault with one of the hot wires inside the cable you don’t want your ground wire protected. You want your hot wire to be able to ground itself out ASAP so it will trip the breaker and prevent a fire. Other than that, great video
what brand of masonry bit was used?
I actually did not have one the right size so I rented that one from Home Depot, I think it was a Bosch
how is this wall charger rated for outdoor use?
Hey There, I don't know if it has a specific rating, but I know right in the Tesla manual it says you can use it outdoors. I filmed this in the summer and the charger is still working great on the side of the house.
Great Great Demo. What drill bit is that? Size?
Hey There, its a Bosch SDS Max bit. I use it in a Bosch SDS Max hammer drill, the bits are splined so they can't slip in the drill. The bits can't go in a normal drill. I think the size I used was 2 1/4" I love the drive, I can use it on hammer mode only (doesn't spin) and I have used it like a jackhammer.
@@GarageKingGreat, Thanks for the quick Response.
@@corteydmusic Anytime, have a good one !!
Does it matter that excess copper is hanging down below the terminal at the 6:12 mark? Did you trim it or leave it as is?
Hey there, I re-ran the wires to strip the ground (so the white wire is now bare) but to answer your question its fine to leave the ends of the wire like that. If you pause the video and look close you will see the wires are still between the plastic "walls" so there is no way they could actually touch. You would not want them longer than that as they would be past that safety point.
@@GarageKing Thanks! So did you re-run all wires or just the white ground? And do the wire ends still stick down like the video with a bit of the copper showing between the walls?
@@N.I.C.K. Hey There, I just stripped the sheathing off, so all the wires are run individually and ran the ground bare now so its not in the white plastic. The ends stick out the same. I wanted to make sure that the wire was all the way through the connections so that's why it stick through a bit.
@@GarageKingThe Tesla manual shows the ground on the far left, red in the center, and black on the far right. Does it matter that you swapped the red and black wire?
@@N.I.C.K. The read and black don't matter as they are both HOT, the ground matters.
How is your experience to install the Tesla charger outside of the garage? Is it safe? Was your tesla charger damaged or stolen from outside?
Its been outside for about a year now and no problems. Still works great.
Also what is sub panel model no?
Subpanel in the garage is a 100 amp Cultet Hammer that is wired to the house 200amp main panel box.
Why did you use the neutral as a ground instead of the bare copper ground wire? Can you not use the smaller ground wire?
Hey there and thanks for the comment. I used the neutral as its much thicker than the ground. You only need 3 wires so I used the red/black and then used the neutral as a ground. The ground is a thin wire so why not use the thicker wire right? I labelled the neutral as a ground so any electrician or future owner would know its being used as a ground. Then the ground wire is not used. I just figured use the thickest wires. You could use the smaller ground wire and I'm sure you would be fine, but I just thought use the thickest wires.
Yeah I bought 12 feet from Lowes and I had 4 wires like you garageking red, black, white and think for the ground I pulled out thin one and gonna do the same set up going to use white as a ground 6AWG it’s always better then 14 or 16 that came in
@@alexp7362 the ground wire that is in the jacket would be a #10. That is what’s required by code. Using the white wire is a code violation. A grounded conductor must be green or bare. A white or gray can only be used as a neutral.
@@GarageKing the ground that came with it was more than fine. That was a really weird part of the install. Besides that A+
@@visionsdb6695 Thanks, that's the one thing I should have done differently. I should have stripped out the neutral(white) and just used the red and black with the included ground. I think this summer (too cold now) I'm going to change it, as its really pretty simple to do. Thanks for the comment.
Where’d u get that pvc pipe from
Hey There, Home Depot :)
Hey hopefully you answer this soon,
You said 6 wire is good for 60 amps ?
My electrician friend is saying it's not #4 mandatory
My dad thinks the same, retired electrician
Can you speak on that
I have a dead hot tub in a 50 amp breaker currently,
Was just going to swing it over as is,
But it can go on a 60 amp ?
What's the speed difference
Hi There, that's not what I said. I said that #6 gauge wire can carry 55amps and Tesla tells us to use a 60 amp breaker. We are never actually using 60 amps. That is the 125% rule (48ampsX1.25=60). The tesla wall connector has load management built in and maxes out at 48amps so you should never use more than 48amps. Personally I always average around 15amps as I trickle charge it up to 80% each night. If you use a 50amp breaker you will limit the current to 40amps (don't ask me how the car knows, it just does). Also you should use THHN wire. Please google "6 gauge thhn wire max current" and the reply you get is..... "However, the regular ampacity of a 6 AWG copper wire that you are looking at in most installations is 55 to 65 amps. It can carry 55 amps, 60 amps, and 65 amps". If your friend is an electrician he is probably up to code so you can follow what he says. Also if your dad is a former electrician you are most likely in good hands. Sorry for the late reply, I'm on vacation LOL :)
@@GarageKing oh no worries thanks bro !!!
Sorry I was just driving and listening I must have nishewrd
Hahaha my dad is stumped and my other buddy Is like 3ed term now but lives in Hamilton,
Telling me to use shielded teck90 cable
My dad said call the electrical company and ask them what works in our area for code.
I have to go thru the garage, it can go up the wall all the way, or does it need to be in conduit ? In the house it's exposed on the ceiling
I'm definitely going to check that wire.
I have #6 nnvu, it used to be a hot tub, I thought it was on a 50 but it's actually a 40.
I don't know if it's worth it to use existing just for now ?
The wire is just inside rated I think,
not shielded,
he said it should be mechanically protected,
But it's right up a wall exposed on the ceiling of the garage
Good to know about the actual amps it draws.
Neither of them are local to me and can help me other than Facebook pictures
@@GarageKing and sorry to bombard you, but you said you were Canadian too ?
Someone said it needed to be inspected or it could void your insurance,
I asked my insurance lady and she said she's never heard of that.
I was an ncs and comfortable doing all the work,
Just the math I really wanna get right,
There's so much misinformation
Checking those links first thing g in the morning thank you and enjoy the vacation !
@@GarageKing oh damn that thhn the shit
The explanation of the 48 amps is super helpful
I was scared I was gonna burn the house down if I fuck this math up
My girl had the dishwasher on last night and I told her,
We're gonna have to watch that 😂💀
@@TheDJConnect Hey Thanks, in Ontario a homeowner is allowed to do the work himself/herself so you are ok to do it yourself if you wish. It's suppose to be inspected by the ESA in Ontario.
Is installing this into Siding difficult
The drilling/screws are much easier as you are not going into brick. The problem you run into with siding is you have to make sure its flat so depending on what type of siding you have it can get tricky.
Main issue here is you can't run that type of cable through conduit. If you peeled the black sheathing off, then the inside is likely thhn or thwn which can be ran through conduit.
Yep, I peeled the sheathing off, also I stripped the neutral so its now bare for the ground not to get anyone confused. All you see now if red, black, and a copper. Appreciate the comment
sheathed wiring through conduit......lovely
Yup you caught it, that's the one thing that could have been done better
@@GarageKing luckily that’s a pretty straight run of conduit and it’s indoors. You could easily swap it out if it was ever called out. Nice install, appreciate the video
@@spectrepro Thanks for the comment, and this summer I think I'm going to swap it out anyway. It really wound not take long to do :)
@@GarageKing Why not simply strip the sheathing off the conductors? Disconnect, pull out of conduit & slice the sheathing off. Shouldn't need to spend more money on new wiring. The individual conductors inside the sheathing are the proper gauge so should be good to use.
@@MikeSiemens88 You bet, I was just going to pull it and strip it for the Tesla wall connector. The code actually allows for sheathing to be left on as long as its in a dry area and you have a certain cross section (can't be tight) You have to strip in wet or below grade applications. I release another vid tomorrow where I install a Wattsavings charger and just strip the wire and then put into conduit. Thanks for the comment and happy Friday to you.
Hi brother how much do you think an electrician wiil charge for the same work you did....?
The running of the wire is not hard, it's the drilling if you are going into brick, and the mounting of the bracket. To be honest it really depends where you live and how busy the electrician is. The cost of the wire and circuit breaker are fixed, but the labour will vary. Also mine was fairly easy as I have a panel right in the garage. Not many people have a panel right in the garage so the wire has to be run to the panel box which is most likley in your basement.
Any reason you used 6/3 wire instead of 6/2?
Its because I had left over 6 gauge wire.
Hello, I have this charger but I want to put a 40 amp not a 60 amp breaker for my box that is 100 amp, now what type of cable should I use?
Hey there, using a 40amp breaker is fine, it just means that your wall connector will only output a max of 32amps, which is fine. FYI- I usually charge overnight at about 12amps. 8 gauge wire is rated to 40amps so 125% of the 32amp load gives you 40amps, and you would have a 40amp circuit breaker. I see you have a Canadian flag in your avatar so I would just call an electrician to make sure, as the length of the wire can make a difference, they may tell you to use 6 gauge. I just installed a 40amp charge with a 50 amp breaker and I used 6 gauge. th-cam.com/video/UkQUeu_WwKY/w-d-xo.html
@@GarageKing hello, thanks for the answer, if I live in Canada and I am clear that I can only charge my model 3 after 10pm when we all go to sleep since the consumption would be minimal, am I correct?
@@jlaz74 Hey There, yup you are right, me, I live in Ontario and we have cheap power from 7PM to 7AM so I plug in my car when I get home and then it automatically starts after 7pm. This way its like 1/2 price. I slow charge it over night and its done around 7am. I average from 10-12amps when doing this and I drive about 100kms per day. If you burn your battery right down then you have to up the amps but I think its better to slow charge and just top it off every night. Oh also I set my to stop charging at 80% as I heard its not good to charge at 100% all the time.
Could you please guide me to get the 6 guage wire? Looking for reliable sources as everywhere these are soldout
I think the best bet is Home Depot, or Amazon. Amazon still has it but you have to search. Here is 75ft of indoor wire amzn.to/498gPQH Now if you are running outside of drywall, like in a garage you can strip the sheathing and run in conduit for protection. If you don't feel comfortable please call an electrician to make sure you get it right.
@@GarageKing it has ampacity of 55 amps, can this still be ok to max charge at 48A with 60A breaker ?
@@user-es1fo2fd2z Thats what the Tesla Manual recommends. The Tesla car is the charger, the box is just the conduit for the power to get there. The car controls the charge current and can adjust it. If you don't feel comfortable you can use 4 gauge wire. Most people follow the manual. You seem unsure, and if you have a longer run, or live where its hotter, you may need 4 gauge. I would advise anyone to always call an electrician for a quote, and see what they say, and abide by the laws in your state. Not sure if you are aware, or if you have owned an electric vehicle. I top mine up to 80% every night while I sleep and rarely use over 20amps. Most of the time its at about 13-16amps.
@@GarageKing thanks a lot for clarification, really appreciate it
@@user-es1fo2fd2z Anytime !!
So a PVC pipe is good for the cables?
Yes, but it has to be for electrical, it can't be the black stuff that you use for drains. You can run conduit in the pipe as long as the fill does not go over a certain percentage, but its best to run individual wires. I actually changed mine to individual wires, as mine was a pretty straight run, so easy to do.
No. 6 gauge wire ampacity depends on the temperature rating of the insulation. 60*C is 55A, 75*C is 65A, 90*C is 75A. Let’s say you use 90*C rated 6 awg copper wire. Once you land it on the 75*C rated breaker terminals, the conductors are derated to their 75*C ampacity, which is 65A. If the ampacity was actually 55A like you said, you would not be allowed to use those conductors on a 60A breaker as they wouldn’t be sufficiently protected. Breaker ratings are not allowed to exceed the ampacity of the conductors they’re protecting.
Hey Thanks for the comment, The charger outputs a max of 48amps and at the 1:48 mark you can see it says to use a 60amp breaker. (48*1.25=60) so I think that's why they want you to use the 60amp. So I think with THWN (90 degree) you would be fine as wall connector uses max 48 so at 125% that's 60, and our THWN is actually good for more than 60. I think I should have been more clear on the variance of types of 6 gauge wire. TW is only rated to 60 degrees, as is UF, but I doubt anyone would use UF, but you never know.
So you can do your own electrical work in Canada? Only can use licensed electricians in Australia!
Yes you can. In Canada you are allowed to do your own work on your own house :)
Did you use 1 inch conduit?
No it was bigger, it was 1 1/2" I think
What about #6 aluminum with a 50amp breaker?
I don't think you can do that. I think the wall box requires copper wire.
@@GarageKing so 6/2 romex with 60amp breaker?
@@519rudy Depends on how long, if I'm not mistaken I think thhn was recommended. I stripped the sheathing off the wires (afterwards) so they are run individually in the conduit. Now my tesla charges at about 15-20amps on average as I charge every night, so if you are going to crank it up to the max all the time (not really good for the battery) then please seek an electricians advise.
Does it have to be installed outside?
Not at all, the only reason I installed mine outside was I have no room inside and the wall charger is weatherproof.
Can we install wall connector with 30 A circuit breaker instead of 50 A? Would it work ?
Yes I believe you can, but the wall connector will output less power. It will sense the 30A breaker and adjust accordingly
@@GarageKing thanks for quick reply.
Does this charger considered single phase or double or three phase?
Its two phase
@@GarageKing That's what I was thinking but Tesla's installation manual says single phase at the first page.
@@semihyilmaz4699 My bad and I'm sorry, its actually single phase, I got it wrong. I was thinking 2 phase because I'm using two hot terminals, where normally you use 1 hot and a neutral. There IS NO NEUTRAL. Its hooked up just like a dryer. Your comment about 2 phase threw me off (I'm using 2 poles) and I confused it. It is single phase. Sorry about that !!!
@@GarageKing It is ok. Actually, I thank you for taking time and explaining it. So, it is single phase because there is no neutral?
@@semihyilmaz4699 yup you are correct.
Do you need 60 amp breaker total? (30amp per 110 line feed) or 60 amp per 110 feed. Also, I was planning to go with a 4g stranded as it has a high enough amp rating. Would you say that’s fine?
Hey There, you need a two pole 60amp breaker (240V) so 120 on each side of the breaker, if you want the 48amp charge speed. You can use a smaller breaker, but the wall connector will reduce the juice that runs to the Tesla. Don't ask me how it knows this, it just does. Once you get your 60amp two pole breaker you will run your black and red (two hot lines) to the breaker, and then run a ground line. There is no neutral. 3 wires are all you will use. As for the 4g stranded wire I would think you should be ok, but check with an electrician if you are unsure. Also how long the run is will make a difference. The one thing I learned about posting this video was that electrical codes vary greatly depending where you live. As an FYI - I rarely charge at more that 15amps. I just top up every night when the power is cheap so it trickle charges.
What is the size of that wire ?
6 gauge
Any other electricians here? Did anyone use silicone to seal the charger or you reckon factory seal will be ok for outdoors
I didn't use any silicone on the charger body as its waterproof, and has a rubber seal so the front seals to the rear, so as long as the conduit comes into the box then really there is no way for water to get inside. I have have the cover off and all looks well with no sign of any moisture.
@@GarageKing thanks mate
@@johnorr2241 Happy to be of service
@@GarageKing did you use a gland or screw to plane for conduit entry? 25mm was a bit loose , bottom entry..
@@johnorr2241 I came in through the rear of the box. I didn't come in through the bottom so I'm not sure if you were coming in from the bottom. To actually drill the box I just used a spade drill.
Why did you use a 6/3 conductor instead of the cheaper and just as effective 6/2. The ground doesn't carry any load and is a waste of copper
I know, but it was left over hot tub wire so the cost was better than purchasing more wire :)
Great video - but 'a big bit'? It might be nice to know what size bit it is.
Hey There, I think the bit used to drill into the brick was 2 1/4" so I would have some room around the conduit.
Thanks!
Anytime !! @@jonathanstark8325
How has it held up being in the elements all day everyday?
Hey thanks for the comment. It has held up really good, the front is glass with the frosting behind it, so that is probably why, and its weather sealed with rubber gaskets. I installed it between the houses so its not in direct sunlight all day, and it's kind of shielded from the weather. No regrets at all. I'm really happy I installed it outside. Makes it a lot easier to charge the car as I just pull up in the driveway and plug in. Get the 24ft corded one. Happy Sunday to you :)
@@GarageKing thanks for the reply ordered mine already, have an electrician in the family, so I’m lucky there. I will either have to install it on the exterior wall of my garage where it will be exposed to everything (sunlight and all) or install in garage and figure out a way to get the cable to my car. Makes me want to get rid of all the gym equipment I don’t use 😂
@@markm3330 I hear ya, I would have loved to have the Tesla inside, but I have a corvette and GSXR inside so the Tesla has to go outside with the rest of the GarageKing fleet. Where I mounted mine I don't get a lot of sun, and the rain is blocked. But that being said I think you should be ok, as the front is all glass, with plastic I would worry, but the glass will be fine. Also the glass part is pretty big and covers most of the plastic underside, and the unit is sealed well with high quality rubber so I do think you will be fine. I love mine as I use a 60amp braker so is charges at 48amps. I get about 72km/hr or 45 miles per hour charge rate on the long range model Y. As for your gym equipment you know as soon as you get rid of it you will have the itch to replace it all haha !!!
Romex in conduit plus the 48 amps on 6 guage is wild. Youre looking to start a fire lol just call an electrician
I actually stripped the sheathing off, and updated it in the comments. Later I found that Romex was allowed in conduit providing you have enough space, I used large conduit so there was ample space, but I did wind up stripping the sheathing off anyway. It was pretty easy as it was a straight run.
So if my main breaker panel don’t have kill switch of 200amp I can’t connect wall connector?
Hey There, you main breaker panel has to have a main cut off, every panel does. I have a 200amp service in my house, and the garage panel has a 100amp cut off breaker. You can install it on a 100amp service panel.
@@GarageKing there is any way to attach pic of my breaker panel on here?
@@alexp7362 No sorry, but you can email me, go to the "about" tab on my main page and my email is in there. You can send me an email.
@@GarageKing thank you for replay hopefully charger comes this Sunday super excited to i install it
@@alexp7362 For sure, its an awesome unit, and anyone that has an EV should have one. On of the best things is you can adjust the charging amps so its really versatile !!!
You have to strip the romex shealthing off i side of conduit.
10-4 that was the one error I did. I'm installing another charger in the garage (so I'll have one on the inside and one on the outside) and I'm going to fix that part. Its pretty easy to do. Thanks :)
That's incorrect. In Ontario where he's from they allow NMSC/NMD90 in a conduit as long as it meets the fill requirement
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Please explain why use 6/3 instead of 6/2 thanks .
6/2 is actually better and all that is required. I just used the 6/3 as I had extra from the hot tub. Also its good practice to strip the sheathing that holds the wires all together. I could run mine like that as the conduit was large, and it was in a dry and above ground place. Get 6/2 if you are buying.
I know that the tesla charger only uses 48 amps so there's no risk here but shouldn't you use a 50 amp breaker so the breaker trips before the 6 gauge wire reaches its 55 amp limit and burns?
Yup you definitely could, and FYI I usually use about 10-12 amps to charge, that's what the car is set at and it tops up to 80% every night. I thought, probably like most people the more the better, but you really don't need 48amps if you top up every night. Also the wire won't suddenly burn up at 55, and there is 6 gauge that can handle 65amps. You have to take temperature and length into consideration. Just google "can 6 gauge wire handle 65 amps"
@@GarageKing all good info! Thank you! I also saw the charger acts as a regulator so that’s good info to know.
Thanks for the follow up @@bdizzle123001
Why is the charger outside the garage?
You won’t be parking your Tesla inside the garage?
The Tesla gets parked outside, there are other seasonal vehicles in the garage.
This is what my GEN3 wall charger says in Australia, there is no 48 Amp maximum
Current Output Range Maximum 32 A (adjustable by installer)
This manual applies to Wall Connectors identified by part number 1529455-**-*
Wow, unless they changed them, but 32amps is low so I'm surprised. Mind you I rarely use of 30 as I just trickle charge for a top up every night.
Nice video! i read somewhere saying only thhn/thwn #6 wires in a conduit can produce full 48amp for the wall connector while #6 romex is only able to produce 44A due to temperature constraint. If that's true then you might want to set your max charging power draw to 40amp instead.
Also, romex is only allowed in a garage if the conduit is inside the wall as garage is considered a wet location.
Hey there and thanks for the comment. I will answer both of your questions. First, #6 is rated to 55amps. 2nd, in Canada the conduit, providing you use the right one (usually grey) and I did, its suitable for wet locations, in fact you can use it underground as many people use it to run their hot tub wire. Also if you look at new houses built here you can see the grey conduit popping up from the ground on the side of houses where the main electrical feed comes to the house. Regarding your comment about setting the charging to 40amps, I actually set it around 20 because I plug it in once I get home and let it trickle charge over night as it might be better for the battery to slow charge. I'm not sure about that, but I figure its probably better to slow charge a battery. What's your thoughts on charing fast or slow?
@@GarageKing I tried to charge at 24 amp last night, and it's about 20 miles per hour. Tonight I tried 40 amp and now it's charging at 32 miles per hour. I guess if you charge daily and the commute distance is within 160 miles, 24a is more than enough.
@@jackdai7492 Yup it is, I only use about 12amps a lot of the times and trickle over the night.
#6 is good for for 55 amps per the code. In article 240 of the code (overcurrent)
You can put #6 good for 55 amps on a 60 amp breaker as long as the load does not exceed the 55 amps. But you can’t exceed a load of more the 80% on any breaker unless it’s a breaker rated for 100% load So (44amps) is what’s allowed on a 60amp breaker.
A garage is not a wet location, it’s not even a damp location, if it was then switch’s and receptacles would need to have in use covers.
Romex is not permitted to be sleeved in
conduit
@@stanley4006 Uhm, no. Don't put 55A wire on a 60A breaker. Unless you're planning to be roasted alive in your sleep.