Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Wilt Chamberlain’s beef was the result of two GOATS vying for one pedestal
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ธ.ค. 2021
- You'd think with so much in common, (height, both like same sport, both worked for Lakers) Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul Jabbar would be the best of friends. But something about being constantly compared to each other, having differing political views, and one guy getting more love from fans, press, and the league can apparently sour a relationship quite badly. Enjoy this aged, vintage NBA beef!
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Please take a moment and appreciate all of your accomplishments. You are doing great and will continue to do great. Ok now go back to enjoying two dudes who were better than 99.99999999% of the world at their sport beef over who was better. Just two rings? Pfff get it together, Wilt.
*stephen a smith vs max kellerman*
By the end of the year please
I love you
Thanks, this was needed today
And both men take a backseat to Bill Russell🐐
thank u, recently had the opportunity to film high school football at navy’s stadium and went home and cried tears of joy cause i never thought i was gonna achieve something like that even at the start of this year
The fact that Kareem played against Wilt, then only missed playing MJ in the Finals by 2 years is wild.
Facts
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ライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！この日のライブ配信は、かならりやばかったですね！１万人を超える人が見ていたもんね（笑）やっぱり人参最高！まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした！今後は気を付けないとね. .
! 💖🖤 ❤️#今後は気をライブ配信の再編あり
がとうです！#この日のライブ配信は、#かならりやばかったですね！#１万人を超える人が見ていたもん（#笑）#やっぱり人参最高！#まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした,.💖🖤 #在整個人類歷史上，#強者，#富人和具有狡猾特質的人捕食部落，#氏族，#城鎮，#城市和鄉村中的弱者，#無`'#守和貧窮成員。#然而，#人類的生存意願迫使那些被拒絕，#被剝奪或摧毀的基本需求的人們找到了一種生活方式，#並繼續將其DNA融入不斷發展的人類社會。.#說到食物，#不要以為那些被拒絕的人只吃垃圾。#相反，#他們學會了在被忽視的肉類和蔬菜中尋找營養。#他們學會了清潔，#切塊，#調味和慢燉慢燉的野菜和肉類，#在食品市場上被忽略的部分家用蔬菜和肉類，#並且學會了使用芳香的木煙（#如山核桃，#山核桃和豆科灌木 #來調味食物
and "fought" Bruce Lee in between
Truth. Or the fact that he won a ring with Oscar and almost played MJ in the finals. No wonder the dude is scoring champ lol
@@joetokyo1158 Kareem the most legendary dude ever
Beef history: Wilt Chameberlain vs. every boyfriend and father in the 1960s
69th like. Nice.
🤣
A 10,000 episode miniseries
JIGGY TIME
Not if the women were black apparently
Wilt Chamberlain: wins only two titles, called a "loser"
Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, and other legends: 👀
Nah those guys are also loosers but nobody has ever called those 2 guys the greatest and most dominant player ever like theyve called wilt so thats whar makes it different
At least those guys can kind of feel good being known as two of the greatest to never win a ring
Basketball is a team sport and Wilt didn't always play on good teams in an era that had some great all-around teams like the Celtics and then the Knicks. Wilt is the most dominant player I've ever seen.
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Kareem’s Bucks (1970-75):
Big O was an All Star from 1961-1972
Dandridge was an All Star in 1973 & 1975
Robinson was an All Star in 1970
Price was an All Star in 1975
Kareem’s Lakers (1976-1989):
Nixon was an All Star in 1982
Wilkes was an All Star in 1981 & 1983
Magic was an All Star in 1980 & 1982-91
Worthy was an All Star from 1986-92
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KAREEM- (‘71-74, ‘76 & 77, ‘80 & 81, ‘84 & ‘86 1st Team; ‘70, ‘78 & 79, ‘83, ‘85 2nd Team)
Oscar- (‘71 2nd Team)
Bob- N/A
Robinson- NONE
Price- NONE
Nixon- NONE
Wilkes- NONE
Magic- (‘82 2nd Team; ‘83-89 1st)
Worthy- N/A
Number of All-NBA teammates per season:
0, 1*, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0*, 0, 1*, 1, 1, 1*, 1, 1*,1*
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Wilt’s Warriors (1960-1965):
Arizin an All Star his whole career 1951-1962
Gola an All Star from 1960-65
Rodgers an All Star in 1963 & 1964
Meschery an All Star in 1963
Wilt’s 76ers (1965-1968):
Greer an All Star from 1965-1968
Walker an All Star in 1966 & 1967
Jackson an All Star in 1965
Costello an All Star in 1965
Wilt’s Lakers (1969-1973):
Jerry an All Star his whole career 1961-1974
Elgin an All Star in 1969 & 1970
Gail an All Star in 1972 & 1973
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WILT- (‘60-62, ‘64, ‘66-68 1st Team;
‘63, ‘65, ‘72 2nd Team)
Arizin- N/A
Gola- N/A
Rodgers- NONE
Meschery- NONE
Greer- (‘65-68 2nd Team)
Walker- NONE
Jackson- NONE
Costello- N/A
Jerry- (‘69 2nd Team; ‘70-73 1st)
Elgin- (‘69 1st Team)
Gail- N/A
Numbers of All-NBA Teammates per season:
0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1*, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1*, 1
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______________________________________________
Bill’s Celtics (1957-69):
Cousy was an All Star from 1951-1963
Heinsohn was an All Star his rookie year (same as Bill 1957) and from 1961-1965
Sharman was an All Star from 1953-1960
Jones was an All Star in 1962, 1964-66, & 1968
Hondo was an All Star from 1966-1978
Howell was an All Star in 1967
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BILL- (‘59, ‘63, ‘65 1st Team;
‘58, ‘60-62, ‘64, ‘66-68 2nd Team)
Cousy- (‘57-61 1st Team; ‘62 & ‘63 2nd Team)
Heinsohn- (‘61-64 2nd)
Sharman- (‘57-‘59 1st Team; ‘60 2nd)
Jones- (‘65-67 2nd)
Hondo- (‘64, ‘66, ‘68 & ‘69 2nd)
Howell- (‘63 2nd)
Number of All-NBA teammates per season:
2*, 2, 2*, 2*, 2*, 2*, 3*, 2*, 1*, 2*, 1, 1*, 1*
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Iverson ? McGrady? Vince Carter? Patrick Ewing? Payton?
“When I was a teenager I’d be in awe of hanging out with a slightly older teenager” is an all time line
Actually, that's a misstatement.
Wilt was born August 1936, Kareem April 1947 - so more than a DECADE apart.
By the time Kareem turned 13, Wilt was already 23.
It's sure a "line" alright - a line of feces with ZERO truth to it.
“Wilt chumperlame” ,this is some middle school pettiness, and I love it
?
Maybe that joke killed back in 1975 😂
@@isaacpeachey8609 pc classy high class kinda insult I could see it
Sounds like something out of NBA Twitter these days.
LMAO, Kareem went from calling Wilt chump with lame nickname and sucker punched people into legit great writer and class act later. Talk about one hell of character development
Kareem and Wilt both posing the same way on their books surely can't be a coincidence. This goes far beyond regular beef, this is certified GOAT beef.
I had to look it up, but apparently that's called a Chevon.
@@msolec2000 thanks for saving me one google search
Everyone had that pose back then.
Soon as I saw Kareem's cover I too was like "waaaaaaaait a minute..."😁
@@msolec2000 🤦🏾♂️🤣
It blows my mind that a player like Wilt could be so disrespected in his time. People called him a loser even though he still won 2 championships!
And those 2 championships just happened to be with 2 of the greatest teams ever
It's mind blowing yet people pick a side. Hell, they almost give lebron that same treatment with 4 rings and will forever put him in MJ shadow
@@jordanporter5833 I hate that too. Just because he's not (to many) at MJ's level, doesn't mean he's not an incredible player, 'super team' or not
well he was not one of the main 2 scorers on the 2nd title team and he won his only ring as the best guy due to russell getting hurt....but the fact he was a big part of a team that won 33 games in a row and the title in la for their first title the only title west ever got which kept them from being the biggest losers for 25 years in the nba should matter more to historians..like think about that...until magic the lakers were not that big in la....and he did end the celtic's 8 titles and possible 10 titles in 10 years streak and 11 in 12 years streak that they otherwise would of gotten...the 76ers are the only team besides boston to win a title in the 60's in the nba...that matters cause it will never happen again
Tbf look at Lebron. Also context of his losses and his under performances in certain playoffs show why.
That quote by Kareem about being taken around by Wilt. "Went out of his way to show me *what he saw* as a good time."
That says everything about how Kareem felt about Wilt and his style in general.
Kareem is a ungrateful person. I wish Wilt could have played him in his prime and really beat his ass. Wilt mentored Kareem .I never had a mentor but if i did i would have been very grateful and shown them respect unlike this goofy looking freak.
@@chonasimpson6487 look some people dont need mentors lmao... So ungrateful isn't what I'd call it. Youll learn as you get older that The fact they have VERY opposite personalities means they were never meant to be close anyways. Wilt could never offer anything to Kareem so what's there to be ungrateful about? Just because you want a mentor for some weird reason doesn't make Kareem wrong or ungrateful for not getting along with someone who represented the exact opposite of what he stood for.
@@chonasimpson6487 Don't be a weirdo.
@@balamkinich7968 He offered a lot when it comes to navigating the league as a black men especially. Your mentor can help you in a craft doesn’t mean you have to hang out all the time as friends. If you can’t understand what a mentor does you probably didn’t have one
@@gobot581 no he didn't. Kareem carved his own path in the league being the quiet mystic. Wilt was accepted because he had such personality, while Kareem didnt care about being accepted. He was even shunned by many because of his change to Kareem.
I get what a mentor does and can offer but Kareem was never interested in what Wilt had to offer so he never took it to heart or seriously at all. I get the point but It's hard to ignore the realities.
“When I was a teenager, I was in awe of hanging out with a…slightly older teenager” LMAO same
Wilt was actually 11 years older.
@@tabibnialawfirm lmao wut. Ok? That has nothing to do w this joke from the narrator thanks for the input tho
I don't get that joke - but I was never in awe from hanging out with people.
On the other hand, being on stage with Bob Hope when I was a teen WAS somewhat impressive.
(1973 Boy Scout Jamboree East, I was in the Crossroads of America Scout Band that backed him there).
@@bricefleckenstein9666 ???
@@gabrielmichael42 lmao let them be I’m changing my mind this is actually really funny. Any other 50s+ don’t like this joke and want to tell a story?
Was it a requirement for every NBA player’s 1st autobiography to have the cover be them doing the “Burt Reynolds, but with clothes on” pose?
That's the Teddy Pendergrass/Luther Vandross pose.
When you struck that pose on an album or book cover you better deliver with the HEAT!
@@xcaluhbration lmao, that’s when you know you’ve made it 💀
🤣😂😂😂 That was that 'I know I'm the ish" pose back then...
Michael Jackson on thriller did it best though
Hahaha “wilt chumperlame”… that’s so weird to see Kareem writing like that when he’s typically so mature and well-spoken 😂
The beef was real.
Your comment sounds as immature as the so call "chumperlame"
Wilt could have responded "Now show some respect ,... Kareem Abdul Jab-bear!!!!" (At one time some company named one of their stuffed animals Kareem Abdul Jab-bear.) Lol!!!!
When he isn't getting into fist fights with motorists in road-rage incidents.
Kareem has really matured a lot since then i guess
Fun fact: Wilt Chamberlain's 100 point game was played at Hershey Park! I used to work there and would clock in at the very same building where the game was played. They don't really use it for basketball anymore, but there is a plaque commemorating Wilt's achievement!
Wow:; lucky ❤️ wilt too ; wilt was unstoppable
❤️ wilt especially early 1960s wilt, unstoppable in the low 📫 post wheeling & 🌪 tornado moves toward the basket 🧺
Where’s the “fun” part?
❤️ wilt
On a separate note, it's kinda tough for someone to have 20 years being called a "loser"
@Twisted One He wasnt racist. Most of his comments were out of context, and his opinion on woman were purely sexual. He did great things in his life,, ignoring all of that for some comments is crazy
It is tough but then again he dramatically perform worse in the playoffs than his regular season and being so dominant but only wins 2 rings, those are easy targets for sport pundits. Wilt's greatness come from his athleticism and dominance in the post, but the reason why he had these stats are also because of his high usage rate, so the debate are often similar to the debate about Westbrook and his "greatness"
@Twisted One understand your sentiment but what does that have to do with his on court ability. fact of the matter is he was doing mythical stuff that ppl during the time couldn’t fathom and appreciate for what it is.
@@trile6243 Westbrook greatness??? Are you joking right? Compare Wilt legacy for recognition with Westbrook mediocre career is unacceptable.
@Ulises Leon Wilt literally held the record for the highest field goal percentage for a season, for 60 years. 60 years. How is he inefficient?
Now *this* is an episode. As always you guys do good work but I must admit I'm most only ever interested in roundball vids. Love the history of the game, and so when I see vids like this my eyes pop.
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однако я люблю таких рыбаков Интересно забавно девушка смешная 垃圾
ライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！この日のライブ配信は、かならりやばかったですね！１万人を超える人が見ていたもんね（笑）やっぱり人参最高！まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした！今後は気を付けないとね. .
! 💖🖤 ❤️#今後は気をライブ配信の再編あり
がとうです！#この日のライブ配信は、#かならりやばかったですね！#１万人を超える人が見ていたもん（#笑）#やっぱり人参最高！#まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした,.💖🖤 #在整個人類歷史上，#強者，#富人和具有狡猾特質的人捕食部落，#氏族，#城鎮，#城市和鄉村中的弱者，#無`'#守和貧窮成員。#然而，#人類的生存意願迫使那些被拒絕，#被剝奪或摧毀的基本需求的人們找到了一種生活方式，#並繼續將其DNA融入不斷發展的人類社會。.#說到食物，#不要以為那些被拒絕的人只吃垃圾。#相反，#他們學會了在被忽視的肉類和蔬菜中尋找營養。#他們學會了清潔，#切塊，#調味和慢燉慢燉的野菜和肉類，#在食品市場上被忽略的部分家用蔬菜和肉類，#並且學會了使用芳香的木煙（#如山核桃，#山核桃和豆科灌木 #來調味食物
How’d you make this bold dawg?
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rather than *”this”* and *this.*
**Also you can do the same for _italics_ by using underscores _ and -strike throughs- by using hyphens -
That’s my TH-cam tip of the day breh
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I always think of Wilt as like some ancient, mythical sports figure like Babe Ruth or Ty Cobb. It's funny like oh he was playing in the 70s
In terms of the growth of basketball it's different eras
MPLS Lakers Pre-Ruth MLB
60 Celtics - Ruth/Gerhig Yankees
Showtime Lakers - Mantle Era Yankees
90's bulls - 90's Atlanta Braves except the bulls won their series
So does that make Wilt or Kareem the Lou Gerhig - bridge of generations type person? Did the game evolve more in Wilt's era or Kareem's
Really enjoying Clara's Beef History episodes. Compelling writing and narration with some really funny zingers in all. Keep 'em coming please!
Yeah. Going back to the Lance Armstrong vs. Greg LeMond episode, Clara's have always been some sleeper good ones to me. I actually hope to hear her in an episode of Dorktown one of these days.
two legends, heartbreaking we don't have wilt around today
Sir Charles would salute Wilt and Moses with "we miss you".
Wilt as a commentator and Bill and Wilt running around speaking their stories to this day would be so great.
Stfu wilt was a absolutely terrible person
@Twisted One Nah screw you, you absolute POS person, can’t believe there’s people like you in this world.
@Twisted One “Was a POS his whole life” bro that’s a huge lie, you are the true POS here buddy.
@Twisted One That story was legit proven false by wilt, he only said that to sell his autobiography lol
The amount of pettiness between these grown men in the 70s and 80s is unreal 😂
there was less stuff to do....less ways to entertain yourself so you got into beefs
@Twisted One cus he aint pander to black women u hate him ? U sound like a simp cus them same black women will bash a black man as soon as they get a chance
@@moneyman9295 u sound so ignorant and dumb bro that’s not even what simp means
@@moneyman9295 does that include yr mom too? Or ur sister
@Twisted One it's his preference, it's not racist.
Good video, but it would've benefited by mentioning that Wilt was still leading the league in rebounds and making First-Team All-Defense (over Kareem) during his last years in the league.
So then Wilt literally won this beef. He beat a prime kareem while old.
@@marcb3733 but that's exactly what Kareem touched on....stats and all....
Kareem helped his team win chips. That's what Kareem was aiming to do.
@@elvistwatty yet in their last playoff matchup Wilt’s team beat Kareem’s then went on to win the championship, which happened the very next year after Kareem had done that to him the previous year. Wilt at his worst got the best of Kareem at his best.
@@amostlyreasonableguy this guy knows^^^^. this video is extremely biased towards kareem but real nba fans know who would of won prime vs prime. kareem was having trouble with an old wilt who was just off his bad injury in 69-70 season. imagine a prime wilt vs kareem, it would be a joke
@@vodka4680 Absolutely, Wilt was a savage..Prime Wilt would have beat Kareem, Kareem would also loose to those Celtics teams that Wilt lost too..
The 100 point game by Wilt was done exactly 36 years before my birthday, it'll always have a special place in my heart.
Same. 29 years for me.
Might be the greatest single game anomaly; solely off the back of how high his Offensive Load, USG%, AST%, TOV%, etc. would have been 🤔
lmao what. who tf cares.
it was 50 years after my cat first farted
❤️ wilt too
Wilt said to Jordan "The difference between you and me is that they had to change the rules, so I couldn't dominate. They changed the rules for you so that you could dominate."
Wilt played vs farmers and milk men. It wasn’t even actual basketball when wilt played. It was like high school games.
@@TonyPajamaz If that's the case, what are the Greg Ostertag, Elden Campbell, Eric Snow, the cone bigs that Clyde had to carry etc (all Finals opponents) to be called?
Especially because Jordan ganged up on those lone stars with Kukoc, Kerr, Harper, or Paxson, Pippen, Ho Grant, far from the obscure and inept role players plaguing that 90s competition
Dusk ah yes the great all stars Toni Kukoc, Steve Kerr, Ron Harper and John Paxson. That team would really give the dream team a run for their money 🙄
@@2chin4u Let me get this straight, those absolute killers combined and on top of Jordan, Pippen and Rodman coached by Phil are nothing much but beating GP and Kemp surrounded by Eric Snow and Ervin Johnson, Stockton and Malone surrounded by Antoine Carr and Greg Ostertag or a depleted Magic with no Showtime and with Big Game Worthy injured was a legendary achievement?
@@TonyPajamaz And Jordan only beat Bird, Magic and Isiah after they got old. Stop disrespecting Wilt.
Beef history with two of the GOATs, thank you for spoiling us Secret Base
“GOATs can’t be taken down by a cow” is an all time Clara Morris quote.
"Wilt chamberlain suffered a total rupture of his patellar tendon in the 69/70 season. And returned in less than four months."
"For context to show how incredible this Andre Roberson suffered the same injury as Wilt and he has not played in almost 30 months. Jeremy lin suffered the same injury in 2017 and missed the entire season as a result."
Wilt played for another three years, with his lateral movement and speed, no were near as when in his prime, but he still played at an incredible level, matching younger men with his experience, defensive skills and unbelievable stamina.
Its documented that Wilt chamberlain would go into segregated cafes & restaurants and just sit down, that's not the actions of a young man who didn't care!
Even with his lateral movement & speed diminished, Wilt Chamberlain annoyed that Kareem hit one of wilts fellow teammates in the head from behind, took Kareem to school and outplayed Kareem.
Wilt chamberlain past his prime stopped 23 attempts by Kareem's unstoppable signature move, you could argue that nobody else ever had those numbers.
That is incredible. I ruptured my Achilles and WOW. Only FOUR MONTHS? 👀 It took me nearly a year to feel normal again
@@sirbradfordofhousejones Wilt averaged 47.2 minutes a game in the 18 games of the 1970 playoffs right after he returned from his patellar tendon injury and took the Lakers all the way to the finals to a game 7 against the Knicks
Let’s no forget he did that with Converse Chucks on.
❤️ wilt too : wilt was never the same basketball player; wilt used chewup willis reed
Willt used chewup willis reed like candy; plus willis 33 years old / major knee surgery :; early 1960s wilt wouldve block the skyhook like it was bad knee& put in repair shop: score 50 on young jabber
They’re both two of the greatest centers of all time. Nothing but respect for the road those goats paved.
The best two centers ever Kareem then wilt, wilt would be the best if he had more rings
@@jakefromstatefarm654 wilt is better. Rings are a team stat
@@studmuffin3264 wilt was a ball hog
@@Bucks414 yeah they called him a ball hog so he just casually decided to lead the league in assists...as a center.
@@studmuffin3264 wilt is Russell’s 👶
Kareem's Rookie Season 33 year old WIlt Played 12 Games before suffering an Injury that robbed WIlt of his prime he never played like best player of all time again. Wilt Chamberlain only played 1 game vs Kareem before that career changing injury. In that game on Oct 24th 1969 Kareem had 23 points and 20 Rebounds and 3 Assists. Wilt had 25 Points 25 Rebounds and 5 Assists. Wilt and the Lakers beat the young upstart in their only matchup Prime vs Prime 123-112.
Lakers also had Jerry West with 21 Points and 11 assists. Elgin Baylor 26 Points and 12 Rebounds.
Cincinnati
How is it Prime vs Prime? You said yourself Kareem was in his rookie season
@@peterfinnerty7534 Kareem is that rare player that came into the NBA in his prime. At UCLA he lead his team to 3 consecutive NCAA Championships. He averaged 26.5 PPG and 15.5 RB over his 3 year stretch. As a rookie he put up prime Giannis numbers with 28.8 PPG and 14.5 RB. Kareems first 5 years in NBA were the best years of his career.
For Reference when Kobe was Kareem's age as a rookie Kobe was already into his 5th Season in the NBA.
@@Wallyworld30 He also won 2 mvp awards , one championship and finals mvp
@@Wallyworld30 that's not how this works
@@peterfinnerty7534 wilt 33 years look very old against Bill Russell/ boston celtic playoffs 1969
Wilt wearing nothing but an undershirt to the point record ceremony is so classic l.
That cracked me up that's almost like someone showing up to a classy event in a wife beater 😄
@@shakarussanders9911exactly that's just savage
For Wilt the heart was the imbalance of respect from fans, press and the league
I watched Wilt in many TH-cam videos and his grace and skills blow my mind by far the most gifted player to ever step on a basketball court. The fact people debate this is unbelievable to me the evidence is there for all to see.
@@chonasimpson6487 That man could literally pick up grown men up into the air like toddlers
@@chonasimpson6487 Wilt was a gifted athlete but your gonna discount Abdul Jabbar at 7-2 moving with agility, coordination, quickness never seen before for a man that height. Not to mention his basketball IQ and unselfishness. If it's a landslide it is in #33 favor.
This made me realize we need more Kareem stories. I didn’t know he was savage like that
Always beware the quiet ones.
I lost a lot of respect for Kareem after he dumped on Wilt like that.... pretty rude and lot of what he said was not true.
@@Davek7110
Wilt’s actions tell the REAL truth.
@@tyjohnson3111 Wilt was salty, but I don't totally blame him. He was blackballed and constantly got nothing but negative press, in part because he identified as an American more than he did with the Black Panthers and other black nationalist groups.
@@bobshenix
He wasn’t salty due to his own ego?
I remember as kid playing an NBA game on 64. I tried like crazy to beat his 100 point game with Keith Van Horn with NJ Nets. No matter what I did I would only get 99points. Always thought conspiracy lol
Probably programmed the points to cap at 99 because how in the hell would you score 100 points in a game? ...oh wait, Chamberlain did it a decade and a half before the three pointer was brought in.
My best performance in NBA 2K12 MyPlayer was 92 points.
@@SimuLord Damn probably easier today then, I had 138 points and 21 assists in 2k21
@@SimuLord same haha
I used to routinely score 100+ points with 5 different players on NBA Live 95 on Sega. Turn fouls off, fatigue off,, full court press on, push players on the inbound, easy scores 😁
Some of the best sports content on TH-cam. I always enjoy these. Especially this piece. Thank you.
I personally like it when you cover these old school beefs over the modern ones. I feel like the modern one's are just one incident that the media make's a big deal out of where as the old school one's both sides genuinely hate each other. Take this one and compare it too the one that you made with Aquib Talib and Michael Crabtree a little while ago. This one is multiple incidents where the players arguing over something and Wilt obviously dislikes Kareem for multiple years where as the Talib Crabtree incident was just one on the field incident that got way more attention than it deserved anyway. I just feel like these one's that take place a while go have more too them where as the recent one's are just fake and overblown.
That Wilt picture with the quotes is too much 😂🤣
Kareem had Magic. Wilt had to complete with Celtics who were beyond Brady’s Patriots.
Kareem won with the bucks without magic though so there's that.
@@snarf0596 the big O
@@snarf0596 He had Oscar Robertson though
@@snarf0596 He had Oscar instead that season.
@@bricefleckenstein9666 I mean Wilt did have Jerry West and Elgin Baylor.
This was awesome. Thank you for this view at the Wilt vs Kareem saga. I was born as a Laker fan and always was told about the '72 team being the greatest ever - based on West, Chamberlain, Goodrich, 69 wins and a banner. I remember seeing Kareem's greatness 1st hand though, his trade to the Lakers was a moment of my life I will never forget. Wish I could go back to being 10 yrs old again...oh well. I have no 1st hand memories about Wilt except many of the gripes he would say about Kareem. I do remember Kareem being categorized as lazy, since he would not always hustle back on defense...and yes, I remember that being the case many times as well. Still, I can't help think of Kareem as the true GOAT. With that in mind, I can only imagine seeing the greatness of Wilt first hand. I will say that the conversation of who is the "one and only" GOAT is garbage. Each generation has a dominant player or sometimes several even. Mikan, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Micheal, Shaq, Kobe, LeBron (lots of Lakers!) and others all took turns as GOAT of their particular eras. I say they were all true, verified, legendary GOATS and that there are even more coming on the basketball horizon. Get ready.
Now this is an actual Beef History. Not some crab about Belichick and Mangini where there's only actual beef for like 30 seconds. This is real beef history and more of this
Wilt Chamberlain went to seven or eight finals in 14 years. Half of the teams he took there had no business being there. Wilt Chamberlain and his teams also lost four game sevens to the Celtics by grand total of nine points. That means his teams, with one shot more going their way in those game 7's, would have won six or seven titles.
Bill Russell also admits that had he not seven or eight Hall of Fame players backing him up, he would not have won against Wilt Chamberlain.
People do not knock LeBron James today for only winning four out of 12 finals. Wilt was going to the finals just as often relative to the length of his career, with teams that were even worse than what LeBron had to work with.
Barring the two seasons with Bob Cousy, the reason those players made it into the HOF was in large thanks to Bill Russell. What makes Russell above and beyond the majority of NBA legends, was his ability to make everyone around him better.
What? People don't knock lebron for not winning all his finals?☠️☠️☠️ Besides 2011, where he choked and it's his biggest failure on his resume, its not his fault that he didn't win and he still gets the flag for it lol literally all the time
Everything you said in the first paragraph is true, and everything in the second half is false. Bruh, people don't knock Lebron for going 4-8 in the Finals? LMAO, where have you been this past decade?
4 of 12 for LeBron? It's 4-6 right.
Wilt won 2 titles (1967, 1972) and lost 4 other Finals (1964, 1969, 1970, 1973). So he was 2-4. The 1964 Finals were dominated by Boston, but Wilt's teams could have won the other Finals vs. the Celtics or Knicks. They had home court in 1969 vs. the Celtics (Russell's last game) and in 1973 vs. the Knicks, plus Reed was injured in Game 5 in 1970. Lakers should have pulled that one out.
So Wilt could have had 5 rings in his career and Russell 1 or 2 less, for 9 or 10 rings for him. Still a good lead for Russell, but it wouldn't have been a landslide like 11-2. .
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incredible video, clara has really been killing it
Wow I just stayed up all night watching highlights of these two and then this drops today. Thank you gods of perfect timing!
Wilt won two championships how he’s a loser? That whole narrative makes no sense to me.
Fast Forward LeBron has 4 but he's still a loser to M.J die hearts.
He was so dominant at the time that the expectation was he will win all games and get all the rings but yea he always loses aside from his 2 championship
@@patpittz6709 and Lebron stans always using stats and longevity to counter MJ stans lol.. its just like incarnation of Wilt and Kareem all over again..
I think it's because as incredible as he was Wilt's career will always be measured against his greatest rivals like Bill and Kareem. If you compare any basketball great from the 60s and 70s to Russell, of course they're gonna look like a loser relatively speaking.
@@patpittz6709 6-0
Lebron is the second greatest basketball player of all time and thats okay. If somebody think he's the goat I wont agree but I'll respect it.
Clara this one of your best ever. And that’s saying a lot! That final line was just perfection.
her voice is awful
@@doubleeeeeee very much disagree. I think she’s been one of the best presenters on this channel for a few years now.
@@heavymetalweatherman7774 very much agree 👍
@@doubleeeeeee Beef History has been destroyed since she replaced Seth or Will's voices.
It's crazy how even a Wilt and Kareem Story by Seth had to be robbed from us
She sucks and the cow metaphor was weak and stupid.
How did I miss this gem of a video? Very nicely done as usual
Imagine Wilt Chamberlain playing in the nba from 1984 to 1998.
wilt would have crushed jordan...
@@ezekwu what about other physical players like Rodman, Malone, Barkley, Oakley, Mahorn, and Laimbeer?
Wilt would of scorer WAY less because of the low amount of possessions compared to the inflated 60’s.
@@survivortheoneincharge7875 same with jordan...
@@ezekwu wait I’m confused, Jordan DID play from 1984-1998 so his stats couldn’t of been lowered. If you’re referring to the 60’s his numbers would of gone straight up because of the inflated possessions.
Damn how many autobiographies can a person possibly write?
Instead of diss records Kareem and Wilt decided to put out books about each other
@@NotaPizzaGRL if this beef was happening today it would definitely be diss records lmao
@@pangiokuhli512 it really says a lot about society and technology because the reason the 2 goats used books because their technology and society made it so that it was economically convenient
Nowadays doing rap diss track is more economically convenient
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Well, in case you didn't know, Bill Russell has 3.
And Jordan has several as well.
Wilt will always be the best, man led the NBA in assists from the center position, not to mention what he did in points, rebounds, and blocks
Maybe the best at regular season but as Kareem said he went missing come playoff time.
@@survivortheoneincharge7875 lol no, that's a silly myth.
Wilt had four G7 against Celtics. He literally put the last baskets for his team in two of those, and in two of it shot 80% from the field. Imagine being that super efficient in deciding G7. And there's a record of him made a clutch block and assist in G7 vs Bulls.
He also averaged triple doubles against Celtics in a series, and won FMVP with broken hand.
The man was a performer in Playoffs.
@@20fadhilRevolution incorrect, firstly Wilts ppg dropped 7.6 in the playoffs, and in case you want to argue that it’s because he played most game as a Laker then shouldn’t his fg% be higher as well? But no it’s lower.
In game 7s he was even worse, 1962 his 50 point per game season he had just 22 in the game 7, on a poor 7/15 shooting.
1965 game 7 like you said he shot 80% but did shooting 6/13 from the free throw line.
1968 game 7 he choked 4/9 shooting on an awful 6/15 from the field this was the passer version of wilt yet he only had 5 assists as well.
An 1969 in game 7 of the finals he did shoot 7/8 but a terrible 4/13 from the line, they lost by just 2 points.
This isn’t a “myth” wilt was never that good in the playoffs and he never put up 50 points when it counted.
@@survivortheoneincharge7875 incorrect. Wilt put 56 points, 10+ blocks and 35 rebounds in G5 against Royals, and back then round one series was played in 5 games. Wilt in 1962 was asked to play different style by his coach, and when he asked Wilt to play exactly like he did in regulars, he did delivers.
And how the hell did you think Wilt performed badly in one aspect of the game meant he played badly overall, or how you ignored Wilt's explicit Finals MVP win and just claimed Wilt was a playoff chucker? That's just being ignorant.
@@20fadhilRevolution no he did not play how he did in the 1962 regular season, first of all like I stated he had a mere 22 points in game 7 and he averaged more than 15 points less in the playoff than that regular season on 4% lower shooting. Like you stated he just had 1 game that entire 1962 where he scored Over 50.
And no Wilts didn’t drop in just one category either, he dropped in points, assists, free throw% and field goal% while playing more minutes and having more fouls. The only thing he goes up in is rebounds by 1.6
And yes Wilt got 1 finals MVP so congrats to him but it doesn’t compare to the players who actually have a goat discussion. It shouldn’t be hard to see that Wilt was clearly worse in the playoffs than the Regular season.
Great job. Really appreciate all he research you did for this.
Best series on YT love your work Secret Base!
Been waiting for this one… 💯💯
This is one of the most balanced and well-argued videos I have seen from Secret Base yet
That was really interesting, would love to see more OLD SCHOOL content like this.
Truly great thank you for this.
Can we get a rewinder for Flyers vs Bruin 2010 ECSF, Flyers become 3rd team in NHL history to come back from 0-3 series deficit to win it in 7, series had amazing classic moments, Bruins game 1 OT win, Gagne coming back from foot surgery to score in game 4 OT, Flyers shared shutout in game 5, Flyers coming back from down 0-3 in the first period of game 7 to win it 4-3, historic series with so many classic moments
And yet the Bruins made everyone forget about this series which I would say is the greatest series no one talks of anymore, well maybe except for the sweep of Tampa in 2019.
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ライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！この日のライブ配信は、かならりやばかったですね！１万人を超える人が見ていたもんね（笑）やっぱり人参最高！まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした！今後は気を付けないとね. .
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がとうです！#この日のライブ配信は、#かならりやばかったですね！#１万人を超える人が見ていたもん（#笑）#やっぱり人参最高！#まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした,.💖🖤 #在整個人類歷史上，#強者，#富人和具有狡猾特質的人捕食部落，#氏族，#城鎮，#城市和鄉村中的弱者，#無`'#守和貧窮成員。#然而，#人類的生存意願迫使那些被拒絕，#被剝奪或摧毀的基本需求的人們找到了一種生活方式，#並繼續將其DNA融入不斷發展的人類社會。.#說到食物，#不要以為那些被拒絕的人只吃垃圾。#相反，#他們學會了在被忽視的肉類和蔬菜中尋找營養。#他們學會了清潔，#切塊，#調味和慢燉慢燉的野菜和肉類，#在食品市場上被忽略的部分家用蔬菜和肉類，#並且學會了使用芳香的木煙（#如山核桃，#山核桃和豆科灌木 #來調味食物
Can you ask for non-Basketball stuff in a non-Basketball conversation?
About damn time 😁. Dope video with two legends🏀
Clara always narrates the best stories 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Fr her voice is iconic at this point
Her and Seth
Great work as always.
GOAT calibre players?
GOAT calibre content?
GOAT calibre narrator?
Oh yeah, it’s all coming together
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однако я люблю таких рыбаков Интересно забавно девушка смешная 垃圾
ライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！この日のライブ配信は、かならりやばかったですね！１万人を超える人が見ていたもんね（笑）やっぱり人参最高！まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした！今後は気を付けないとね. .
! 💖🖤 ❤️#今後は気をライブ配信の再編あり
がとうです！#この日のライブ配信は、#かならりやばかったですね！#１万人を超える人が見ていたもん（#笑）#やっぱり人参最高！#まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした,.💖🖤 #在整個人類歷史上，#強者，#富人和具有狡猾特質的人捕食部落，#氏族，#城鎮，#城市和鄉村中的弱者，#無`'#守和貧窮成員。#然而，#人類的生存意願迫使那些被拒絕，#被剝奪或摧毀的基本需求的人們找到了一種生活方式，#並繼續將其DNA融入不斷發展的人類社會。.#說到食物，#不要以為那些被拒絕的人只吃垃圾。#相反，#他們學會了在被忽視的肉類和蔬菜中尋找營養。#他們學會了清潔，#切塊，#調味和慢燉慢燉的野菜和肉類，#在食品市場上被忽略的部分家用蔬菜和肉類，#並且學會了使用芳香的木煙（#如山核桃，#山核桃和豆科灌木 #來調味食物
This is a moment I can actually understand both sides (and somewhat agree)
So you're saying this is...Beeven Steven?
This was a really good one. Thorough and most enjoyable. Most.
This was really well done. Thank you
Its crazy the way the media always never wanted to enjoy greatness but try to compare it, it never will change
Messi vs. Ronaldo, Lebron vs. Jordan. It never ends and it's sad.
Ovechkin vs Crosby.
I’d like to see a rewind of the sixers lost to the hawks in the playoffs and ben simmons passing up a wide open dunk in the 4th quarter in game 7 vs hawks
This was OUTSTANDING!!
IVE WAITED FOR THIS ONE!
Despite Kareem holding the all time scoring over Wilt, Wilt Chamberlain will always be the greatest center of all time. The stats he was putting up were not human 🤯
I saw them both and IMO Kareem had the greatest basketball career of all time.
exactly, halfway through wilt's carere he finally had a better coach 1 seasonhere 1 season there and to counter the celtics they litrally asked wilt ot stop socring. anyone looking at stats can see that wilt took 1/2 to 1/3 of the tos the last 7 years and still average fe 20-25 ppg and had very high fg perenetage ore than anyone pretyt much. wilt would have sent al his career , say th elat 7 probably averaging like 36-39 ppg he would still have the record right now if he jus tkept doing what he always did
50: 44 points a games records averages
Yes. Wilt put up those numbers against bankers, plumbers, firefighters, ice cream vendors, and insurance agents.
@@paoloalcantara2465 nah, he put up those numbers against Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Imagine being called a loser for winning “only” two championships. Like I think Chamberlain had faults (especially in his political ideology) but come on, if you’re gonna insult the man do it for the right reasons.
Chamberlain was actually called a loser not just by Kareem but by his own peers. I forgot who, but a player in that generation said that he backs away from the big moments. Along with the fact that he kept losing to Bill for most of his career and the “loser” label stuck, whether it was right or not.
Why am I telling you this? Just for funsies :)
Yeah the beef sounds more like the typical conservative vs liberal debates found on Twitter
Its about W-L ratio. If you passed one test one time and failed the rest of the class, you still getting an F
@@tkk.24 It was Rick Barry who said Wilt wasn't clutch. And yeah, Wilt lost plenty of times to the Celtics, but those teams had several hall of famers while Wilt's teamates weren't that good.
@@josejuarezcoret1816 I’d argue that half of Bill’s HoF teammates made it because he made them better, but he definitely did have better teammates.
phenomenal video and storytelling, clara
YESSSS! Been waiting for this one
Honestly, Wilt’s career is that of legend but his ego frfr is only second to MJ’s.
I get that those two men are basically demi gods but there’s a reason why many tend to dislike the two.
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ライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！この日のライブ配信は、かならりやばかったですね！１万人を超える人が見ていたもんね（笑）やっぱり人参最高！まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした！今後は気を付けないとね. .
! 💖🖤 ❤️#今後は気をライブ配信の再編あり
がとうです！#この日のライブ配信は、#かならりやばかったですね！#１万人を超える人が見ていたもん（#笑）#やっぱり人参最高！#まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした,.💖🖤 #在整個人類歷史上，#強者，#富人和具有狡猾特質的人捕食部落，#氏族，#城鎮，#城市和鄉村中的弱者，#無`'#守和貧窮成員。#然而，#人類的生存意願迫使那些被拒絕，#被剝奪或摧毀的基本需求的人們找到了一種生活方式，#並繼續將其DNA融入不斷發展的人類社會。.#說到食物，#不要以為那些被拒絕的人只吃垃圾。#相反，#他們學會了在被忽視的肉類和蔬菜中尋找營養。#他們學會了清潔，#切塊，#調味和慢燉慢燉的野菜和肉類，#在食品市場上被忽略的部分家用蔬菜和肉類，#並且學會了使用芳香的木煙（#如山核桃，#山核桃和豆科灌木 #來調味食物
No. The two really aren't even comparable. MJ was one of the biggest celebrities of his day, the highest paid athlete of all time, and widely called Black Jesus. Wilt Chamberlain was hated in every city in America, discredited at every turn, and widely called the N***** Goliath. They were both amazing at basketball, but Jordan had an ego, Wilt felt like he had to defend his validity as a human being.
literally every player has ego Kareem magic Bird Malone Kobe Shaq lebron cp3 I could go on but you get the idea
@@nathangerrard9792 Confidence is scorned in Black people. Apparently having confidence in your ability is seen as something to be ashamed of even if you can back it up.
@@NotaPizzaGRL I could sort of agree on some like Kareem but I think the likes of Kobe and MJ a lot of their fans idolise that confidence and egotistical approach i think when people view the ego as being more than just about the sport then they have issues
Damn...I never thought they have beef...now I believe
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однако я люблю таких рыбаков Интересно забавно девушка смешная 垃圾
ライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！この日のライブ配信は、かならりやばかったですね！１万人を超える人が見ていたもんね（笑）やっぱり人参最高！まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした！今後は気を付けないとね. .
! 💖🖤 ❤️#今後は気をライブ配信の再編あり
がとうです！#この日のライブ配信は、#かならりやばかったですね！#１万人を超える人が見ていたもん（#笑）#やっぱり人参最高！#まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした,.💖🖤 #在整個人類歷史上，#強者，#富人和具有狡猾特質的人捕食部落，#氏族，#城鎮，#城市和鄉村中的弱者，#無`'#守和貧窮成員。#然而，#人類的生存意願迫使那些被拒絕，#被剝奪或摧毀的基本需求的人們找到了一種生活方式，#並繼續將其DNA融入不斷發展的人類社會。.#說到食物，#不要以為那些被拒絕的人只吃垃圾。#相反，#他們學會了在被忽視的肉類和蔬菜中尋找營養。#他們學會了清潔，#切塊，#調味和慢燉慢燉的野菜和肉類，#在食品市場上被忽略的部分家用蔬菜和肉類，#並且學會了使用芳香的木煙（#如山核桃，#山核桃和豆科灌木 #來調味食物
You are good ...too good..this was the best comparative breakdown I've ever seen......period
MAN I WAS WAITING FOR THIS
Prior to this video if you would have told me Wilt and Kareem had beef I wouldn't have cared. But as the video went on I became more and more captivated by this story. One of the reason's why I love Secret Base.
I love how everyone is legit ignoring Wilts politics and comments about black women, which is literally the only reason kareem even had beef with wilt in the first place 💀 anyways W Kareem for being a W person
Fax
Funny, ain’t it?
As a Black woman, I’m more offended by the unsophisticated label than the stupid “sexual hang-ups” claim. To me it reads like the Black women Wilt did or tried to have sex with might’ve had some standards or morals. Whereas the “others” just let him stick his 🍆 in any orifice on their bodies at any time, anywhere with no trepidation or commitment requirements. To each his own, I guess. 🤷🏾♀️
The stereotyping & generalization of it all (especially coming from a _Black man_ who was born in the 30s and _knows_ how annoyingly frustrating that is), is what still irks tho and years later Wilt was still trying to explain & justify that bullsh*t.
I agree, Kareem fr the goat as a BB player and as a person.
Probably because no one wants to get into a debate about republicans and democrats, both of which are destroying a great nation, and most people don't like finding out that democrats have always been the party of racism and that the "big switch" is actually mostly a big lie.
Literally
Always great to hear from the lovely Clara Morris 💖🥰💓👍😘
great video, thank you secret base!
“GOATS can’t be taken out by cows” now that’s a GOAT take
Clara, you killed it with this one 🏀 shouts to your producer too. I’d love to see a miniseries focused on the great big men of the lakers and the amazing lives they lived.
One of the best episodes yet
Great as always!
I love watching interviews with Wilt here on TH-cam bc it seems to me he was kind of like a philosopher and loved enjoying life to the fullest
Great work as always. Humbly I suggest Patrick Roy and Mario Tremblay for a future beef history
I love listening to your voice, also the content of this video was well summarized and presented. Subscribed.
This was a great one, thanks.
The double entendre with the cow metaphor and beef is beautiful.
Wilt definitely seems more like a guy that people want to hang out with than Kareem
Wilt great at checkers:: playing cards;; chess :: etc etc
@@loydkline Any volleyball. He's in the volleyball Hall of Fame.
excellent video !Wilt and Kareem are very high in my personal Basketball Hall of Fame.The beef is well explained and it's sad those two didn't get along well but that's life.They were dominant forces and made me love basketball !
I've been waiting for this video for a long time
Yesss love some beef on a Saturday
Wilt was very out of line for that comment about black women’s sexuality.
Why? Just because he preferred women other than his own race? It's his preference, get out your feelings.
@@younglove3362 “preference”
Clara you are amazing!
Morris is the best presenter and it seems like the channel has smarted up to that finally. Best wishes for the channel
Kareem seems more humble and a better teammate.
I'm with Wilt ALL the way as a player. Prime reasons are I feel he (and Russell) excelled at what I feel are main responsibilities of a center are.
Rebounding
Rim protection
Defensive intimidation
But humility and easier teammate to play with? Yeah I'll probably give that to Kareem. Kareem, esp as he got older, didn't expend the same energy overall that he once did. And he admitted Magic coming aboard had much to do with it.
Clara Morris is an amazing story teller
I really liked the cow's example👍 really interesting vid!
Old school beef...love it!
Suggestion for another old school beef? Mike Ditka vs Buddy Ryan. Or Al Davis vs the NFL
Probably the 2 best players to have beef
2 things I wanna say about this video:
1: Great job by Clara Morris with this Wilt Chamberlain vs. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar video. Clara, you’re a genius!
2: Do you think you guys at Secret Base could do a Beef History video about Michael Jordan’s beef with Chicago Bulls GM Jerry Krause? The Bulls won a lot of titles in the ‘90s, but MJ HATED Krause’s guts!
Pippen vs Krause is on here somewhere.
this is news to me as i did not know a lot outside of their games. but my biggest takeaway in this video is the good narration. great content 💯
NGL I knew these guys had beef but I didn’t think it would be big enough for a video but good to know so I learn more 😎