Shaq agrees he's 4th best center behind Kareem, Wilt, Russell - Skip & Shannon I NBA I UNDISPUTED
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- Shaquille O’Neal may have been one of the most dominant players in basketball history, but he’s also surprisingly humble. Shaq shared a list on social media yesterday that listed him as the fourth best center in NBA history behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Wilt Chamberlain, and Bill Russell. O’Neal captioned the post simply quote: 'I agree.' Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe discuss whether they agree with Shaq and his rankings.
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Shaq agrees he's 4th best center behind Kareem, Wilt, Russell - Skip & Shannon I NBA I UNDISPUTED
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Let the moderator Jenny I think is her name speak a little more, a couple laughs maybe ? Or atleast put her face on screen a little more. She earned a little screen time already
Wilt and Russel didn't have contemporaries most of their careers... However Russell had the leadership factor that wilt didn't...
1.Kareem
2.Russell
3.Shaq
4.Hakeem
5.Wilt
I have Kareem 2nd all time...
1.MJ
2.Kareem
3.Lebron
4.Russell
5.Magic
6.Shaq
7.Duncan
8.Kobe
9.Hakeem
10.Durrant
Give me The Dream over all of them
“Wilt took care of a lot of other people” Shannonnnnnn chill bro 😂😂😂😂
"Thats how he stayed fit" lol Imagine Wilt like I don't run laps, just give me a woman for a hour
@Versatile Wolf Wilt the stilt claimed to have slept with 20,000 women. Not buying it, but that is his claim.
@@MrRetroswag them women probably never walked again after that😂
@@MrRetroswag choosing bun claps over run laps
😂
No center ever has a deeper bag than Hakeem in the post!
Correct
Kevin Mchale would like a word with you
@@wkdlama center
@@wkdlama center my man
Hakeem 's actual height is closer to 6'9 - 6'10" but he had super long arms. He had to be super skilled to be successful.
Skip doubting Wilt's self care when the man was like late 50's playing professional volleyball and was easily the best 7' athlete of all time, hilarious
yeah he was one of the first players to lift weights and he was also great in track and field.
Lol you right chase
@@MovieGuy666 Yea, watchin track vids from his youth is so weird, looks so unnatural yet does it with ease
He would run Shaq into the ground. Wilt averaged 48 minutes for an entire season!
Wilt also ran a4.4 in the 40 at 7’1” 260 benched over 400 pounds in his 40’s had a 48 vertical. He still holds 72 NBA records
People forget that Wilt was also a Decathlon competing athlete. Insane!
“They changed the rules to stop me. And they still couldn’t.”
- Wilt Chamberlain
Precisely. Even Bill Russell would admit Wilt was far more talented but Russell had so much more help around him and to Bills credit , he wasn’t as intimated of Wilt as most players of that era were . I hate that so many discredit Wilt with silly arguments like “he played against plumbers”
Wilt Chamberlain was the Laurence Taylor of basketball at his peak . It’s still a team game in the end but Wilt was a physical specimen that most had no answer for
@@_Gambitute Wilt has literally admitted that Bill was better
@@Abbad1579 a better overall player yes but I meant to say Bill would admit Wilt was more talented than he was just from an athletic point of view. As I said , Wilt was just a freak athlete
That being said , Bill was no slouch . Though shorter and weighing much less than Wilt , Bill Russell was extremely gifted in his own right as a rebounder and a shot blocker. I also believe thanks to Red Auerbachs tutelage Bill Russell had better work ethic as opposed to Wilt who just relied on his pure athleticism to succeed.
@@_Gambitute wilt played with Elgin Baylor and Jerry West lol
@@_Gambitute I think offensively wilts better but bill russels defensive playmaking/ individual defense literally put him close to being the greatest center and maybe even the greatest player of all time
Shaq has so much respect for past big men I respect his humbleness
Fackts
But hates on the new ones😅 other than akumpo
his dad was a big fan of those bigs
@@jmthagoat
That’s because there are no more true centers..at least not like there were. The rules and game have changed to favor shooting. Put any top 20 center in this league now with the same rules as 15-20 years ago, a lot of teams playing very well today would have a hard time.
Humbleness and Shaq don't work. He respects his elders, he's far from humble.
I would choose a prime Wilt Chamberlain. 50 points a game over an entire season. Never fouled out in his entire career. Average 24 rebounds a game. Great touch. Arnold Schwarzenegger called him the strongest man he ever met.
Back then they didn’t count blocked shots. He blocked lots of shots.
Michael olowokandi would have dominated that era
@Mike Dineen it was said that he averaged 8.8 blocks in his twilight years now imagine in his prime and it was unofficially recorded 😳
@@ajigijigi okay now imagine it was recorded on video and you could actually see how unimpressive everyone in the league was
@Slivovitz actually thats not the case fheir were alot of solid players back then obviously not as much talent as of today due to them having less teams but good competition nonetheless.
Wilt was in incredible shape. Wilt was super strong. Unstoppable even by Russell. Russell couldn’t stop Wilt.
Russell still ranks higher all time
Russell held Wilt to no field goals or field goal attempts in a playoff game in the 4th quarter
@@hiphophead4891 They didn't pass Wilt the ball that's why
@@hiphophead4891Wilt grabbed 55 rebounds on Russell's head
Hakeem “The Dream” was no joke.
No more talented big man to ever play the game. God bless UNC for recognizing
I’m taking Hakeem over Shaq. Shaqs ego apparently is too big to realize it.
Shaq was one of the most dominant players ever but Hakeems game was just too skilled and was a treat to the eyes. Of course he’s earned his respect but Hakeem was the better player
1. Kareem
2. Wilt
3. Bill
4. Hakeem
5. Shaq
Most underrated big man of all time
To be fair, Shaq wasn't Shaq when he played Hakeem.
When I saw this I was thinking 5th best. The Dream is before him even though Shaq got more chips.
I think Hakeem in his prime is the “best” most well rounded center ever, although he didn’t have as great a career as the others. He could shoot and guard the perimeter in P&R situations today. Really the only one without a weakness.
Facts
Yep, The Dream is definitely one of the best center ever. Every year he's top ten in five categories: steals, rebounds, blocked shots, scoring and shooting percentage. He was great on both end of the floor.
Hakeem under today rules would run circles around Embiid.
He's my personal favorite. His skillset was insane, honestly unmatched. He's also one of the few who's won a championship with no second star
U could argue for him as the greatest center ever....imagine him with a prime magic...or kobe...didnt talk about wilt and russel cause complete different sport
Hakeem deserves so much more respect man
Wilt's not only the greatest center of all time, in my opinion, but with his records, he's the greatest player period. Others won more titles, to me, that's a team thing, but as far as individual accomplishments, Wilt has no equal!
Ya I've come to agree with this statement over the yrs. Wilt is the GOAt...if you threw him in the league (any era) he would not only shine, he would be the best player in the league
Rings are team accomplishments. Put Wilt on the Celtics and he'd have a ring every year.
If bball was tennis or golf, then I guess. But that's the beauty of a team sport. Ain't it? You have to be great while leading 4 others on the court. Hence, individual greatness is one component of being great but there are other factors.
@@S3thduckyquackmoo Wilt said himself that if he were the Celtics center instead of Bill, they may not have been as good a team because the team probably would have relied on him more and not allowed the team's other players to play to their full abilities.
Ppl always say rings are a team accomplished when they haven't won that many or have lost more finals
"He stayed FIT that way" Skip funny asf 🤣😂
😁😁🤣🤣🤣
I'm surprised Jenny didn't attack him for those words 😂
@Icewulf she definitely needs it. When a woman that pent up, she sending out signals, she need the pipe to make her act right
@Icewulf yoo💀
Russell/greatest winner
Kareem/most acomplished
Shaq,Wilt/most dominant
Hakeem/most skilled
Yes
Correct
Mutombo/ Greatest blocker
Laimbeer/most dirtiest
Mourning/most intense
Muresan/most ugliest
@@avikaplan223 hakeem is the greatest shot blocker
Wilt was the one guy who could deal with Shaq’s strength and speed and was faster, had more endurance, and was arguably stronger and definitely more agile. Wilt over Shaq all day every day. Russell won more because he was the best leader and teammate on a much better team, and I think he was the most consistent of the whole group. Shaq would have fouled out of every game if he played in the 50s, 60s, and 70’s. Wilt never fouled out of a single game in his entire career! Kareem was unstoppable and was a great defender in his prime, but not as plainly athletic as Wilt. Hakeem was unbelievably agile and quick, best feetwork of the group 😂
Rodman owned shaq when they played against each other
@ESPN - ya idk where that narrative comes from. It's more like, he was able to bother Shaq a little.
Couldnt have said it better, brother
@@54dbruno shaq avg 27 and 13 vs rodman ..he own him ?😂
Excellent assessment my man.
O'Neal was gifted. He had size, speed, some skill and footwork, as a big man, and fair endurance, early on. He is one of the greats. He was also gifted, by the NBA, with a large quantity of no calls, for offensive fouls. When the player, laying on the floor, moaning, was only guilty of standing in the way, in a defensive stance, and gets the foul called on him, there you go.
Yep... Refs allowed Shaq to run over people......
“People don’t realize how great kareem was” absolute facts
@@Ali-fo4uv Kareem averaged 27 pts, 18.5 reb, and 2.5 blk in his first Finals MVP. And 26.6pts, 8.1reb, 4.4 ast, and 2.1blk in his second Finals MVP.
@@Ali-fo4uv You dont know greatness
Im not the biggest fan on kareem but calling him overrated?
Damn you are down bad
@@Ali-fo4uv 6 mvps
he had help in the finals yes but that doesnt make him overrated
@@Ali-fo4uv u trippin bout the overrated part by the time he got to the 80s and was old that's what ur looking at for ur averages he woulda had 3 fmvps if not for the injury don't use old age and averages to show ur ignorance nobody here with any sense will agree with u kuz we Kno better
6 rings
6 MVPs
2 fmvps
Playoffs averages in his prime from 70-86 which is pushing the end of his prime really he was 27-12-4 just say ur a casual
Just kuz a player didn't win every year don't make em overrated u need to change ur statement Kareem is 1-3 all time u can't find many players with his resume really only 1 or 2 ish in his prime he won a ring in the 70s then 80s with magic and was old and still balling at a high level
@@Ali-fo4uv overrated? They won 5 rings together and they are overrated. Sure kid
By the way, you do know that Andre Iguodala won FMVP over Steph curry right? So Steph is overrated too in your opinion?
Hakeem is the most complete center to ever play
no thats wilt then kareem
@@windowpainzplays8601 cap, it’s Hakeem
Wilt
@@Yoaneemmanuel it's Kareem
@@windowpainzplays8601 idk I think Hakeem and Kareem the most complete
Wilt was the greatest player of all time, how can they doubt? With all the limitations of the rules at the time, imagine what he could do in this modern age.
Playing against bus drivers. No
@@mikekillagreen9432 exactly lol dude way playing against 6’7” factory workers
Wilt by far is the greatest player ever! Withou a doubt!
@@jeffdougherty9010 Nope!
@@mikekillagreen9432 you are incorrect
11 Rings is something. Leadership can't be quantified but 11 Rings speaks for itself, a greatness unmatched to date. To Bill Russell, the greatest winner in Basketball.
Yep
Wilt Hakeem and Kareem are 3 players that should be talked about way more. They were crazy great on both ends and would be great even today.
And Bill Russel
Wilt, Bill, & Kareem You Meant😂
Wilt wouldn't score as much simply because the lane is wider. It used to be narrower and he could camp almost under the rim. And with his superior length, jumping, and athletic ability it just wasn't fair. I think he'd average 30 but no way he's averaging 40+
@@fundy023 30 means he would still be a super star. He would still be a double double machine.
@@troyh.2024 I meant what I said lol
Wilt actually blocked the Sky Hook twice in the same play lol, this depends a lot on what you value most, achievements is Kareem, Championships is Russell, individual stats is Wilt, unstoppable force is Shaq, most skilled is Hakeem, so it all depends on what you prefer
i just don't see how if you have to win 1 game in their prime you don't go with shaq.
wilt was an extremely toxic teammate and stat padded. the stats were very overrated
Wilt tried to block Kareem's dunk once ! Kareem broke Wilts hand ! Wilt wore a cast for 3 weeks.
@@Myster999 Wilt was literary better at every aspect of basketball. He was a far better scorer, a far better rebounder, a far better passer, and a far better defender. He was faster, stronger and more skilled. You choose Shaq. I choose Wilt. I walk away with everything you own.
A prime WILT IS THE GOAT tbh
Shaq was incredible, so strong and dominating but I’ll take Hakeem. The post moves, defensive presence, fall away jumper beautiful to watch.
Ill take shaq over hakeem
@@Jonnie_b nice joke
@@aidanwalsh8482guess ima have to school you!! Hakeem couldnt get 3 of em so does 4 beat 2 rings SON?
And if kobe and shaq never had the Ego going on! I say they 3 peat like the Bulls!
@@Jonnie_b Buddy Rings aren’t the only thing that matter Hakeem is better and isnt morbidly obese
@@Jonnie_b me too,over anybody actually
"unguardable, unstoppable, unrefereeable" - describes Wilt in his prime to a t. No one could stop Wilt, not even Russell. Wilt could score on anyone, block shots on anyone, rebound, outrun everyone else down the floor and score singlehandedly. He, as a center, could dribble the ball coast to coast. And Wilt never had to resort to throwing elbows like Shaq. Wilt always prided himself on his ethics and not trying to hurt anyone.
Watch clips of wilt actually playing lol. Wilt cannot be compared he played in a league where players dribbled with one hand while staring straight down at the ball
There's an interview with Phil Jackson and they ask him who was better, Shaq or Wilt. He said they were both amazing but Wilt was more athletic and skilled than Shaq. He played against Wilt and coached Shaq.
Also commented on how incredibly strong Wilt was….
@monsoon season Way more strength too
Facts. Wilt was actually stronger than pretty much anyone else in NBA history including Shaq.
He wouldn't really know without playing against both. There's always a debate but the fact will always remain if they didn't play the exact same players on the same teams in the same era you can't really say who's better. Same goes for lebron and Jordan folks forger LeBron was dominating as a teenager in a tougher era but then will say a bigger stronger adult lebron wouldnt make it in Jordan's era foh
He also told a funny story where Shaq asked him to play as many minutes as Wilt played (Shaq averaged 33 minutes a game, Wilt averaged 45). Jackson said that experiment did not last long!
Kareem is arguably the greatest player ever. His career body of work including winning speaks for itself.
Yes ! Highschool, college, and pro. Unstoppable offense, blocked shots ! All time NBA leading scorer, and 6 time MVP ! Also a civil rights icon. Stood with Ali, Jim Brown, and Malcom X.
Not when playing Wilt
@@JumboWiniata Well he out played Wilt, but Wilt was beyond his prime.
agreed
He wasn't even the best player on his own team for half his career
1. Wilt Chamberlain. 100 points. 50ppg in his best season. He was once called selfish for not passing the ball and the next year he lead in assists. Rebound monster. Dead fade away that no one could ever stop, manage to block Kareem. Imagine Wilt with today's diet.
2. Kareem. Had the most unstoppable sky hook to some the hardest move ever. Did the skyhook to Wilt.
2. Tie with Bill Rusell. Simply he was an actual classic center. Great rebound numbers and great team player with 11 rings.
3. Shaq. Most dominant and strongest player ever. Do I have to mention feats? He literally has broken a basket.
4. Hakeem most rounded center of all time that could shoot from anywhere.
I'm incredebly surprised and very happy to see Shannon give The Dream respect that he deserves. BY FAR, the most underrated player of all time!
If only Shaq could have made his free throws.
Took care of his body..!
Wilt also
If Shaq made his free throws and took care of his body he would have averaged 40 in his career and had more rings.
And stayed in shape, and motivated. Shaq would be a top 3 player all team
Kobe said it best: If he was commited and had a similar work ethic as me he would be the greatest of all time
Wilt been doing fadeaway jumpers before MJ and Kobe, made the most difficult layups, had almost an 8ft wingspan (which is scary for a human being), been doing skyhooks before Kareem came into the league, was super fast on the fastbreak - Wilt was way ahead of his time…. I say he’s the best center of all time.
Yeah he did but he didn’t mastered it like Mike did or did it in a perfect formation I should say
Not to mention the unbeatable number of records he still has. In my book, Wilt is untouchable and the greatest center of all time!
Skyhook comeon he was not.
Refs would not have allowed Wilt to back down defenders as Shaq did. He averaged 50 pts a game without using his size. He used his height, but not his strength and weight. Of course, players were much larger and stronger in Shaq's era, but Wilt could have averaged 70 under a 90s and early 2000s interpretation of the rules. He was much more dominant at his peak than Shaq was and under the rules that Shaq played under, Wilt would have the all time scoring title, and with a much higher FG%.
@miguelzaibatsu that was a nice joke
Ill never forget the Houston vs Orlando Nba Finals. Hakeem absolutely obliterated Shaq. Hakeem had him on his heels left and right. The guys post skills were something like Ive never seen. A dominating 4-0 sweep
That wasn't prime Shaq
@@iamdezsi9671 That is the most pathetic excuse that I've ever seen thrown around the Shaq arguments
The 95 Rockets would've dominated any of the Laker teams that had Shaq on it
@@MrZackavelli 😆yoyo
Hakeem was a much better free throw shooter than all other centers also when he retired he was top 10 in every category pts,rebounds,steals,assists, and blocks. Unbelievable
1. Wilt
2. Kareem
3. Hakeem
4. Shaq
5. Bill
Yrnx KJ Russell’s teams beat chamberlains teams. And wilt was traded twice in his prime. End of story
@@casualfandestroyer2503 Russell literally had by the best team in NBA history for the 60s and until like the 87 Lakers. Wilt outplayed bill in every matchup. Both times wilt was traded he won a ring with the team he was traded to.
@@yrnxkj7607 in 4 game 7s (1962,1965,1968 blew 3-1 lead ,1969 blew 3-2 lead to ready to retire Bill Russell ) wilt only averaged 21 points a game keep in mind in that year he averaged 50 in 1962 regular season in the game 7 only scored 22 in game 7. Lockdown. Domination. In three separate game 7s (1962, 1968,1969) Russell held wilt to 21 points, 14 points and 18 points he only played good in 1965 but Russell played better
@@casualfandestroyer2503 the only impressive thing you said russell did was holding wilt to 22 in ‘62 and even then he was still outplayed by Wilt lmao. The better team won in all those series you are talking about. Wilt’s scoring dropped off and he started averaging 21 points because his role changed. His points dropped off and his assists went up because that’s what his coach asked him to do. Russell was outplayed in all those game 7s. And I just noticed ur username 💀💀. Wilt still averaged 28/26/4 on Russell’s head while outplayed him every close out game
@@yrnxkj7607 “The Celtics also ran the pick-and-roll over and over again, freeing up Sam Jones and John Havlicek for open jumpers as Wilt again showed himself reluctant to leave the paint and cover the shooters who had been freed by Russell’s picks. Alex Hannum screamed from the sidelines for Wilt to switch, but to no avail as Jones, Havlicek, and point guard Larry Siegfried combined for 61 points. Wilts lazy defense lost them the series but his groupies wanna blame his teammates smfh
I think Hakeem has a serious argument.
Fr, Hakeem also has a case for top 5 player all time
@@WindowLicker_-9 you know your basketball sir!!👍🏾
Facts Dream was amazing
@@jornaspierre5615 Yes he was!👍🏾
He doesn’t
Wait a minute Skip, Chamberlain was a physical force who said on many occasions he held back on Bill Russell so as not to hurt him. He was that insanely strong. Kareem held his own against Wilt, so why wouldn't he do the same against Shaq?
The huge mistake Skip makes is judging Kareem by his 1980's version. The 1970's Kareem would school Shaq and the 1960's Wilt runs Shaq into the ground.
No he wouldn't because Kareem couldn't handle physicality. That's what seperates Dream from Kareem vs. Shaq. Kareem couldn't handle Shaq whereas Olajuwon held his own. And *no* version of Kareem was so quick that he could give Shaq a problem like a prime David Robinson or Hakeem. Moses Malone gave the blueprint on how to handle Kareem. Unless Kareem developed that hook shot good enough from the 3 point line, Kareem couldn't do anything with Shaq offensively, and definitely not defensively.
@@benyah3390 Yes, it's hard to imagine that Kareem could stop Shaq defensively. I disagree on the offense-side: The Kareem/Lew Alcindor of the early 1970's has no problem scoring on Shaq. As a young man he had a much more versatile offensive game that the mid-1980's version that mainly shot sky hooks. Moses Malone did have Kareem's number, but by that time Kareem (who came up in 1969) was in his 14th season while Moses was in his MVP prime...not a fair comparison. I think the one guy who Shaq would have struggled with is a prime Wilt Chamberlain, who was just as strong as Shaq (maybe stronger), more skilled and much fitter (he averaged almost 12 more minutes per game than Shaq). There's no chance Shaq could keep up with him for 48 minutes.
@@saverioman I'm not arguing Shaq vs. Wilt because I really don't know if Wilt was more myth or legend. As far as Moses & Kareem, Kareem came in '69 & Malone out of high school '74. That's only 5 years difference. Prime for prime, Kareem's weakness was lack of strength and power. People keep talking about LA Shaq, but Orlando Shaq was a beast as well. Orlando Shaq did better on Hakeem than I think LA Shaq would've done because LA Shaq was 330-350. That's 30-50 pounds more to carry around than during his Orlando days. Hakeem would have roasted him even worse because slimmer Shaq couldn't keep up with Dream. Kareem couldn't do anything with any version of Shaq because Shaq isn't going to just sit there and allow him to shoot in his comfort zone. Wilt probably would torch LA Shaq as well, but Orlando Shaq is a different story. But my main argument was prime Hakeem vs. Prime Kareem with all things being equal as in swap their careers and Dream would have more hardware than Kareem did if he played in Milwaukee & LA, and Kareem would have less because I really don't think he'd win any of Olajuwon's rings. *Maybe* vs. Ewing & the Knicks; but definitely not against Orlando Shaq.
@@benyah3390 How old are you? What you said makes you sound like you don't know basketball! If you put that down, you don't know basketball! You're just trying to repeat what that hack Skip Bayless was saying!
@@benyah3390 "Kareem came in '69 & Malone out of high school '74. That's only 5 years difference."
No, it's more like a 9 year difference in ages. Because Kareem spent four full years after high school at UCLA.
Shaq giving his respects and props to his seniors that pave the way before him. As a badge of honor and respect. 👏
I still think Shaq said he accepts 4th because Hakeem was 5th...
I forget to mention Wilt never fouled out in his career. Led the league in assists as a center when asked too, averaged over 48 minutes a game for an entire season(because of some overtime games). And is the only man(Superman), to have a quintuple double. Points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals. I start a team, my first pick is wilt. Your turn
I’m sorry but this entire argument isn’t as great when he played in the 60’s and early 70’s let’s be honest
@@jbautista2927 if that era was that easy how come russell never put up the same numbers as wilt did? he was as tall and pretty athletic as well?
Also, while that era didn't have guards as good as the 90's or today's game, there was plenty of big dominant centers and wilt simply crushed them all, he was that good
go watch some highlights they're terrifying, that man was a CENTER and had a FADEAWAY shot with the glass in the 60's, that's just insane
@@Tojohiruma to your first paragraph, Russell averaged over 20 rebounds a game his career, and was never running the offense, mostly defense💀
Plenty of big dominants? Like who? Nate Thurmond & Walt Bellamy?🤣 Guys like Embiid & Dwight would’ve crushed them
I’ve seen highlights and I know it’s different from watching live but from what’s shown, only 80’s and up are when real basketball (crossovers, dribbling, athleticism, 3’s) are valid
And he played all the minutes
@@jbautista2927 it’s not a argument. Wilt was the best basketball player of all time. That’s a FACT!
Chamberlain weighed over 300 lb (310-320) at 7'1" (Shaq was 7'0" and weighed about 330). Chamberlain is generally regarded as the strongest player who ever played the game--and had incredible endurance. He played one season without missing a minute of play (except for about 7 minutes when he got thrown out of a game), averaging 48.5 minutes a game for the whole season of 79 complete games! He had great endurance. Shaq did not; he'd get winded quite easily. He'd never keep up with Wilt. The guy here who's calling Shaq the greatest center ever is well off the mark, knows little about Wilt, and keeps dispensing him unjustifiably with his poor wisecracks.
*250
Wilt didn't even really play the strength game like Shaq did so that's a moot point.
He wasn't even over 300 lbs until he was a Laker with declining athleticism. He had gangly legs compared Shaqs bigger lower torso/Center of gravity.
Shaq entered the nba at like 7'1" 320lbs.
And before anyone tries to use the excuse that rules held him back from playing as such wilt mentality wise didn't want to be known as a bully whereas Shaq enjoyed it. He wanted to prove to critics he was versatile and skilled offensively not just someone that dunked
@@FuShengAlex Shaq was about 290 when he entered the NBA. 285 in his last year at LSU.
@@JLThisisMe Shaq said he was 300 lbs as a Orlando rookie. I was 25 lbs over and you were 10 lbs under.
Wilt is better than shaq cause wilt played the game as it should been not bullied everybody with his size.
That top two is unassailable
I'm surprised Skip didn't say anything about Shaq's free throw shooting 🤔 lol
Super Star free throw percentage (SSFTP) is his favorite stat. (That and QBR)
Not unusual for a guy his size playing the center position. Even Ben Wallace and Dwight struggles on free throw.
@@georgeprchal3924 superstar free throw percentage😭🤣
Because he likes Shaq, if that was LeBron we would've ripped em
@@zaaayyyy23 Even though LeBron shoots like 25 percent better than Shaq he still would rip him lmao.
When Shannon said that Kareem led the league in shots blocked 4 times, it gets me sorta sad that blocks and steals weren't counted throughout the entirety of both his career and that of Wilt and Bill Russell. They might've gotten more appreciation for their skill if that were the case.
Never thought of that great point
Wilt averaged 8.8 blocks per game in the contests that have been preserved on film or tape.
@@bobomaigret5430 I read something like that before, still crazy stuff though. There is no one that can convince me that he wouldn't have been #1 on the all time leaderboard for blocks if they'd been tracked for the entirety of his career.
@@bobomaigret5430 and 8.8 was after his prime...scary...people say there was less competition then but it's false - there was TOUGHER competition. Less teams, more talent concentration. Imagine the nba today having something like 10 teams...you'd have the best 100 players competing against each other...Wilt would be facing the best centers in the world, night in, night out...well, he did exactly that, but he was so much better that people just have to find excuses for his dominance.
@@vasjaklun6008 don't worry 50 years from now people will say LeBron was playing against plumbers and untalented players like Curry, KD, Giannis, Kobe, Luka just like what they did against Wilt.
Wilt was the most dominant player the NBA has ever seen.
BLESSINGS
Hakeem might be the greatest Center to ever play when you look at skill.
If not factoring team success.
Hakeem is my starting center
Facts
Hakeem ft work is impeccable. Give me the dream. Prime shaq < prime dream
All time block leader ..excellent post defender. As well with all that foot work. I can’t really argue
He only has rings because MJ took a mental health break
The Dream is and will always be my favorite player he was something special i could only imagine if he had help earlier in his career
Wilt Chamberlain vs Shaquille O'Neal (Best Regular Season Averages):
Points: (50.4 vs 29.7)
Rebounds: (27.2 vs 13.9)
Assists: (8.6 vs 3.8)
Field Goal: (73% vs 67%)
Free Throw: (61% vs 62%)
Wilt Chamberlain vs Shaquille O'Neal (Best Play-Offs Averages*):
Points: (35.0 vs 30.7)
Rebounds: (29.1 vs 15.4)
Assists: (9.0 vs 4.6)
Field Goal: (58% vs 61%)
Free Throw: (64% vs 66%)
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*At Least 10 Games Played
Playoff stats (steals & blocks not recorded in the 60s):
Wilt = 160 games, 47.2 min, 22.5 ppg (.522 percent fg), 24.5 rpg, 4.2 apg
Russell = 165 games, 45.4 min, 16.2 ppg (.430 percent fg), 24.9 rpg, 4.7 apg
Kareem = 237 games, 37.3 min, 24.3 ppg (.533 percent fg), 10.5 rpg, 3.2 apg
Hakeem = 145 games, 39.6 min, 25.9 ppg (.528 percent fg), 11.2 rpg, 3.2 apg
Shaq = 216 games, 37.5 min, 24.3 ppg (.563 percent fg), 11.6 rpg, 2.7 apg
That says it ALL. They're so close there's no reason to bicker.... Those are weighted stats. It's not like its only 10 games....145 or more games is legitimately weighted. THANKS.
Kareem really skilled too. I seen a video of old Kareem playing Dr J one on one giving him buckets lol
Lol that might of been the worse thing ive ever seen live. . Thanks for the memory. That bank 3 was hot tho
Yeah I saw that Kareem to big to agile!
Wilt can dunk from the free throw line. He was as much of a freak of nature like Shaq was.
Nah, Wilt was a FAR greater athlete than Shaq. Wilt won the Big 12 conference high jump 3 years in a row. He was a world class 100 dash sprinter. He was a shot put champion. He beat Him Brown in a foot race. He bench pressed over 600lbs. He had a 50" vertical. He could duncj from the free throw line without running from the other end of the court or even half court. Shaq couldn't do any of those things even 4 decades later.
I wish we could have seen Wilt play in the 1980s and 90s. From what he, Russell, and many others attest, Wilt Chamberlain had so much more power that was never really seen. Wilt purposed not to play a physical smash mouth game because it wasn't needed and it wouldn't have been appreciated in those years. By his own words, he purposed to be more of a finesse player of skill rather than intimidation. Moreover, he had the power to really hurt people. The players in his era were not as athletic or big, and this would not have been a good look. It would have been like beating up your little brother. Watch some of the other youtube stories of how strong, powerful, and fast Wilt was, and I think you will not think twice that he was capable of dominating Shaq who I also have much respect for as a great player, especially during his younger years. Wilt and Russell said they would have purposely wore Shaq out by making him run his legs off. Wilt played the whole game which something Shaq and many others could never do. I think if we saw Wilt play in the 80s and 90s we would have seen an even better Wilt Chamberlain. Maybe not the high scoring, but more of his skills would have been on display and developed at a higher level.
i think he would have worse stats than shaq in 80s or 90s
Wilt was not built for power. He had very long legs so he was cut high. He did not have the base to go power against the elite player of that era. Shaq would have zero problem with Wilt. Wilt would have looked a lot like Shawn Bradley to Shaq. Someone he can get lower than and just move around. I'm not saying Wilt was Shawn Bradley's caliber as a player.
@@kevinthomes1046 check out big Bob Lanier(Detroit team in the 60's)...built a lot like Shaq... see what he says about Wilt.
Wilt was worried about killing somebody if he went all out.
He would hold back because he was afraid of really hurting someone.
Shaq has self awareness and respect to those that paved the way for him.
Surprised they didnt mention that Hakeem and Shaq actually matched up in the 95 Finals and everybody agrees that while Shaq stood his ground well, Hakeem clearly won the matchup with the Rockets sweeping the Magic. Hakeem was a finesse player like Kareem. Some of those confusing calls would have gone to Kareem being offensive fouls and they went to Hakeem as such in the 95 Finals.
Good points !
Hakeem never got the respect because he played for Houston. Its sick that his name is rarely mentioned.
Shaq was in his third or fourth year wasn’t he, and Hakeem was at his peak
Shaq was also not in his prime, they are more talking about Lakers Shaq
@@robertofloresmendoza6435 Shaq's prime was from 93-05....his peak was 00-03. People forget he dropped 29.3ppg in 2 consecutive years with the Magic (94, 95)
How is Skip Bayless going to say that Will Chamberlain didn't take care of his body?; That dude was so in shape that even in the 80s teams were trying to get him to play. He was still running, lifting weights, I'm playing volleyball before his death. That do was no slouch. It just shows you that Skip Bayless has hated on every single era
He’s a troll
Some people say he used to smoke a lot so maybe skip isn't all wrong here
His name is Wilt. Not Will
@@Cras007 ain’t jordan smoke like a cigar a day it so ebrons
He didn't say wilt did not take care of his body he said he doesn't know
How do yall feel about peak Hakeem vs peak Shaq? Hakeem averaged 38 and 17 on 57 FG% in '88 playoffs. Shaq's best season he averaged 31 and 15 on 56 FG%. Hakeem was so skilled as a big man especially with his footwork I genuinely believed his peak could've easily matched Shaq at his prime
Prime Hakeem would've crushed Prime Shaq, they faced each other in he Finals when Shaq was coming up and Hakeem was at the tail end of his career and he still schooled Shaq up
Give me Prime Shaq anyday.
This happened ready. Shaq faced Hakeem when Shaq was championship caliber ..4-0 sweep
2:19 LOL Legendary moment from Skip and Shannon.
2001 WCF vs the Spurs: Kobe avg’d 33/7/7 and D Fish was the leading scorer in Game 4.
2000 season Shaquille was second in rebounding to Deke. And the same thing he kills LeBron on, he dodged it with Shaquille (free throws and wasn’t the closer).
Preach fam
Skip, Wilt ALWAYS kept himself in great shape. He took pride in playing 40 plus minutes a game.
They gotta respect that man name
The man averaged *OVER* 48 minutes per game one season
He he averaged 48.5 minutes one year, that’s insane
@@mg19cal yeah that’s one of the craziest stats I’ve ever heard
He also averaged 40 plus minutes in his spare time to lmao 🤣
It's nice to finally see Kareem get some much deserved props. No One EVER brings him up anymore. Why is that? He was never a media darling. He stayed out of the spotlight and went to work.
I can honestly say that I watched quite a few big centers play that they talked about. I will say all of them that they mentioned were great.
Love seeing Hakeem getting some love. Wasn't the biggest center (under 7 feet), but man could he defend and score in his prime. Would have loved to see those Rockets team go up against Jordan's Bulls squad.
Hakeem won his 2 rings when Mike 1st retired. His teams DID go against the Bulls. 🤷🏽♂️
They would have lost.
@@lostone9700 IDK Dream would've dominated against old-man Cartwright and Will Perdue. Houston had good shooters around him too.
Mike wouldve sent him on home. They won when Mike left
@@apostolostvable he pretty much dominated everyone at that point. houston would have lost because the bulls supporting cast was better at pretty much every other position all the way down the bench. bulls had better shooters, better perimeter defenders. bulls in 6.
If Shaq played against Kareem in the 1970s, Shaq would have regularly been called for offensive fouls. In the 1970s players were not allowed to push defenders to get close to the hoop. Wilt, the strongest man Kareem played against, didn't push Kareem around to get to the hoop.
there was a rule that was invented in the 1970s that was later removed, where you could couldnt dunk thats why people didnt play agressively
@@RozexBang That was college basketball, only, because of Kareem, Lew Alcindor, at the time. Dunking wasn't outlawed in The NBA.
Okay sure...but if he didn't?
Preach brother!!! Shaq wouldn't have been able to "just" push guys around in the paint, he'd have to evolve and develop an arsenal of different type of shots as well.
@@shaunroland8053 bruh yall tripping so hard bro wilt and Kareem were stick compared to Shaq him begin allowed to be physical Shaq was every bit of 310 lb in his prime the duration wear down is real...u fellas need to stop smoking loud
Didn't witness Kareem's greatness but I've seen highlight he was so unique
Shaq is accurately honest , despite his career
free throw shooting , placing himself as the fourth greatest center to ever play in the NBA
This for everyone who has research & followed
the history of the league to know firsthand ,
That Russel ,Wilt & Jabbar were among the greatest at center position , then Shaq .
Nobody could argue with this , if they know the complete history of the NBA
Love the back and forth. The chemistry between these two is awesome. But the way Shannon explained the most unstoppable shot was really kool.
Wilt and Russell had some unofficial quadruple-double too. Wilt also had a quintuple-double in 68 :D sick
Wilt averaged 30 rebounds per game in 1967 playoffs, that's unmatchable. It's like a joke, 30 rebs per game, are you kidding me?
Wilt Vs Shaq would have been that animated scene when Superman gets to cut loose on Darkseid.
Shaq was a force of nature
He didn't have the basketball skills on par with the great centers. He couldn't be trusted in the 4ht quarter to come through. The Lakers seemed to always get swept and Orlando too. He was a force up to a point.
Then the NBA died. David Stern made sure Shaq and the Lakers were suddenly a dynasty.
Disgraceful watching O'Neal drop his shoulde4 and truck his defender, run him over. He got away with it. Over and over. I saw Crhis Weber try to do the same the same thing Shaw had been doing. Stern fouled him out in the 3rd quarter.
Vlade Divic kicked Shaqs fanny in 2002. Then all of a sudden it wasn't even about basketball.
Kings should of signed Reggie White to come off the bench and Shaq would have literally got on his cell phone had Stern run on the court to make sure the big market gets it.
Many woman would say Wilt is the greatest center of all time.
What do you mean?
@@diegobromfield In a biography book, Wilt claimed to have slept with 20,000 different women.
@@NightcoreNewbie For real? Lol. Is that even true?
@@diegobromfield I don't know if it's true but that's what he claims in his book, "A View From Above." Multiple articles about it pop up if you google that or type "wilt chamberlain women." Personally, I call bs because he's never had a single child in all that time and I doubt this is the type of guy to wear condoms.
👌😁😁😂
We gonna forget what happened when Hakeem and Shaq met in the Finals?
A young Shaq but I’d like to think it be a different story with 2000 shaq
And Hakeem disappeared when Shaq moved to LA.
@@howardbrooks790 2000 Shaq would do worse defensively against Hakeem
@@handlebucket6285 . Shaq was playing for phil Jackson dude. In your dreams.
@@abraxasvoice440 What does Phil Jackson have to do with Shaqs defense? Phil hated double teaming. He would cook Shaq one on one.
See the video of Wilt. High jumping. And weight lifting. He was a pure athlete.
Shaq is the biggest freak of nature to ever play basketball. He got handed the right DNA and all he needed to do was to stay in shape to possibly be the MVP of the league 4 times from 1999-2006.
Shaq in a 1 on 1 could've beat Kareem because of sheer body type, but if you put prime Shaq vs. prime Wilt, Wilt could've picked up Shaq like a Gatorade bottle.
@TH-cam LOVES Soft Leftists Yeah, I don’t know what this guy is talkin about.
Shaq was strong, but he had no finesse moves and a terrible free throw shooter. Kareem /Lew Alcindor would have fouled that brut out. Kareem wasn't weak, remember he had a black belt and was in Bruce Lee's movie "Game Of Death" The NBA was physical back then ! Google Kareem/ Lew Alcindor NBA fights & tell me what you see !
In the 1970s, Kareem was a beast offensively. He was much more skilled than Shaq. I think he would outplay him much like Hakeem did in the Finals. Shaq would get his points off Kareem but Kareem would score just as many if not more off Shaq.
They're great but I'm going The Dream. No weakness and gave Shaq the business in a sweep!
No one the size of Shaq was going to have a 10-year sustained run of greatness. You need to keep things in context when you evaluate a player's greatness and Shaq is one of the greatest all-time centers to ever play the game because of how dominant he was at his peak...
Shaq was a peoples type of champ. On and off the court. He played hard to draw in fans in the game of basketball. And outside. He couldnt stand watching people unhappy. So he makes the effort into trying to do something for someone in need on the spot. From helping parents with grocery shopping. Getting Kids shoes. And feeding the community with pizza. And visiting Cancer patients. He does a lot of this outside the cameras eye as well. So its not just a publicity thing. Hes just a very good guy knowing he had a good hand in life and just trying to help people that didnt get that chance. Even though he may not have been number one in being the best center. He has the heart of gold that has always room for more when it comes to just helping people in need.
Ima go with Shaq if I’m starting a team tbh. Simply an unstoppable force.
You must be under 30
Hack a Shaq... referees call fouls every 30 seconds nowadays
@@zaaayyyy23 yeah do that and the whole starting 5 fouled out
@@eldub422 you must not have listened to the whole pod cast and heard what skip said.
Agreed...unstoppable offensive fouls.
Imagine if Shaq went as hard as Kobe, dear lord, I get shivers just thinking about it.
He didn't tho did he...
@monsoon season Wilt was actually pretty conscientious about not hurting people due to his great strength. Shaq didn't seem to care about people or backboards so much lol.
Shaq played very hard when he was in the game. He gave it 100%. He just didn't stay in shape off the court or dedicate his off-season time training to get better like Kobe did.
I hope the self-proclaimed goat would inherit some of Shaq's humbleness.
Ya'll sleeping on the dream for me the best big man ever. He could do it all and just kept it moving. He embarrassed his peers and still stayed humble. Listen to what Shaq said about him.
Hakeem is vastly overrated by fans who gawk at his skill set but fail to recognize his inability to impact the NBA for long periods of time. Dude has 8 or 9 first round exits.
@@coloneldusty4476 fair enough but who won back to back when Jordan had to leave the league. Many greats had a chance and still stayed without a ring.
Shaq was a BMF , but can you imagine Wilt’s numbers if he spent less time and energy on P🐯, and more on his basketball .
That was his side hustle 😁😁😁
And if the rules were bent to allow Shaq to push defenders around and push opponents off balance while blocking their shots.
Man he scored 100 in a game and had a quintuple double WHILE spending that energy on women lol.
@@JLThisisMe imagine all that strength while being able to bump people under the hoop like the late 90's
I mean, the same could be said for Magic
Russell didn't outplay Wilt. The Celtics outplayed Philly. Auerbach doesn't get enough credit for the Celtics dominance imo.
How do you explain Russell's 2 college championships in three years? Also Auerbach?
Hakeem? He wouldnt got a ring if jordan is playing lucky guy
@@cyber6sapien 1. Cause he was a great player 2. Red Auerbach was the elite Celtic coach leading them to their championships, a coach wilt never had
@@luckystarsan8798 How do you explain the 1970 NBA finals loss to the knicks despite the fact that Willis Reed got injured and couldn't really contribute much over the last two or three games of the series? Russell and Auerbach were already out of the picture.
@@cyber6sapien Wilt wasn't backed by a good coach, the Lakers only won once they got rid of Joe Mullaney, the Knicks were backed by Red Holzman who was a successful coach coaching till he was 61 years old and got inducted into the hall of fame
Edit: Spelling
People forget in 90s you also had Mutumbo, Alonzo Mourning, Sabonis. Big Country Reeves. Had some really good centers.
Shannon: "You're never gonna see that kind of force again." I dunno, Wilt had that kind of force too. The man could bench 550 and pick quarters off the backboard from a standing jump. It seems to come around every couple of generations. And, to add to the validity of the case for Kareem, he and Wilt still went toe to toe every time, despite Kareem being the more "finesse" player.
hakeem was the best for me. straight eye test. and he did everything. prime hakeem would be a shoe in for MVP in this era. hed probably add threes too.
Shaq could posterise Wilt a couple of times but he would be exhausted by the end of the 3rd quarter trying to keep up with him. Wilt will end up with more points, rebounds, steals and blocks. So who is destroying who, Skip?
@@mikej6326 if what many people say and wilts stats were inflated because of a faster pace that makes his 48.5 minutes per game all the more impressive. No way Shaq could keep up with that.
People who say Wilt wouldn’t last in Shaqs Era or Hakeem’s era are crazy. People don’t understand how athletic he is. He was an Olympic long jumper over 7 feet tall with a 46 inch vertical with a 7’8” wingspan.
Wilt is the clear goat center and goat player. A combination of his records, stats, analytics especially winnshares and defensive win shares, what he did against the level of competition and number of opposing hall of famers that outnumbered his,
Never ever losing a single series when outnumbering is opponents team in hall of famers which MJ Russell shaq Kareem magic lbj etc… all have done
rule changes to stop his greatness, domination n athleticism n nonstop stamina n durability thru the most physical and strictest rule era, and his overall skill set in every aspect of the game at his size. The clear goat and easily the goat center
Shaq and Kareem are both a lesser scorer rebounder shot blocker, overall defender and passer
Hakeem is a lesser scorer, rebounder, passer, and shot blocker
Bill Russell is a lesser scorer, rebounder, passer, and shot blocker
No center compares. No player compares
Old Wilt blocked the Kareem skyhook.
Lol sure he did he also got scored on plenty times.
@@chiefxx8259 come on, bro. wilt was already too old and gathered too many STDs ;-)
I luv Shaq being so humble, he was the last of the true centers in NBA
Dwight
Dwight is a joke not a legend .. seriously smh 🤦♂️
@@MaineMez Unfortunately, he was too soft
Lol....not only is Shaq not humble he's overrated too.
@@proxinsky4981 8x all star 3x dpoy
Student shall never outshine their master. Shaq did that and that’s why he’s fulfilled with himself and he has a very successful career outside of basketball
FINALLY!!! I AGREE WITH SKIP ABOUT SOMETHING. SHAQ WAS A COMPLETE UNSTOPPABLE FORCE TO BE RECKING WITH. OMG!!!!!!!
Wilt was on another planet...💯
“Now Wilt took care of a lot of other people”🤣
-Shannon Sharpe
Why do they always mention these 4 plus Hakeem, Robinson, Patrick but never mention Moses Malone? INCREDIBLE!!!!!
Moses taught Hakeem everything he knows. Stole all of his moves.
"How can he not be on your Rushmore? He was my idol growing up!"
Wilt is by far the best center ever. He was doing the skyhook before Kareem was in the league, invented the one legged post fade that people associate Dirk with. Was always the fastest player on the court, and on defense, he intimidated the opposition so much that on some nights, they would REFUSE to drive to the paint. If they counted blocks back then, he would be #1 in total blocks, followed by Bill Russell after.
Nope. I disagree personally because of how inflated that era was due to pace and insane amount of possessions which heavily inflated stats, along with the fact that Wilt underperformed in the playoffs a lot.
@@pranith850 Exactly, Wilt was a freak of nature till Bill Russell was on the court with him.
Mj would have been the best center if he was 5 inches taller-Skip
@@blackdynamite5016then you realize that Wilt averaged 30pts and 28 rebounds against Russell for his whole career.
@@blackdynamite5016 Wilt use to cook Bill 😂. Even he said that lmao
People really be underestimating wilt , look at the stats alone. He even won a game with assists alone not even a single shot in that game.
He's the most dominant ever, numbers don't lie.
@@alfredodistefanolaulhe2212 overrated
@@xprimegel8602 Underrated
3-5 are so good you can't even be badly wrong at all, you can do whatever order.