I've only had one, if it even counts. Fast & Furious just came out, and I wanted NOS. Not nitrous, I wanted NOS, just like Dominic Turreto. So I hooked it up to a LT1 Firebird, and with all my genius, I activated a 200 shot at idle. A giant fireball shot out from the intake and blew the intake duct off the throttle body, and then it extinguished as fast as it blew. I just hooked the duct back up and went about on my way. Before any criticizing, I was 16 years old, and didn't know the difference between a spark plug and an oil drain plug at the time.
I've seen a quite old car on fire once, and with about 3 fire extinguishers, it got put out. Had we not have a fire extinguisher in hands, the car would have burned to the ground. The thing is, we DID put out the fire indeed. Not so lucky with an EV drive battery, thankfully never seen it in person.
@@Kalvinjj Most EV fires are the same as any ICE fire. Heat is going up. And the battery is in the floor low. (Tesla has data about this...I remember that 9 of 10 tesla cars on fire gad their mainbattery still inbtact. THIS is what this guy calls. Collecting data. Of coarse he said he had no data (US related. However...Sweden did collect partly those kind of data . The frequency of fire in an EV is 0,1 of that in an ICE car. However..A hybrid car (Both ice engine and EV drivetrain) has a firerisk of 1,1 of that in an ICE (10% more risk). Severity? The petrol car (1995) from my neighbour combusted in the night. Luckily I was awoken by the noise...sleeping at the correct side of the house. Alarming other neighbours was just in time to save the cars parked alongside, 2 already with heat damage on plastic parts (melting)....it is not only an EV which can ignate cars alongside. Oh, the flames of my neighbours car reached rooftop height (8 meter)...glad that it was parked on street, not in a garage.
An old timer taught me to deal with a carburetor fire by going to WOT and crank the engine. WOT is wide open throttle, although the acceleration pump add a shot of fuel to the fire.
I have been saying this for a while now that the data is totally wrong and out of date and the insurance companies know it too because they keep jacking up the rates on electric vehicles with no end in sight. When I mention this to the EV cultist they go absolutely bonkers and then resort to name calling.
The worst kind I've seen is the proudly ignorant one: when you mention the high impact despite low probability (if even that low relatively to ICEs...), and the person you're talking to says that the high impact is irrelevant because of the low probability. The thing is we aren't talking about being 24/7 protected about an asteroid hitting you on the head. We're talking about something that can actually happen, either as a consequence of an unrelated accident (crash, running over an object) or directly unexpected, no warning, with no apparent cause.
The high insurance rate is mostly not about the fire risk. Electric cars are not more likely to be totaled from catching fire, but they are more easily totaled. Any damage to battery or battery case is an auto-total. But more importantly EVs are a much more of a integrated system not individual components like gas cars with more curvy frame for aerodynamics, so repairs are much more expensive.
@@edouglasroche Not all cars are Teslas. Most have a modulair battery system. With damage they only replace one module (could be 12,5% ) of the accu. Tesla however has ONE big batterypack...They do not risk changing sepaerate cells in that pack.... For the other high repair costs...This is exactly the same with all new ICE cars with integrated fdrive assistances and other conecting features. Repairing a new BMW or Mercedes is as costly as repairing an EV (same size and options on board)
Isnt EV insurance have more problem with spare arts availability than others. Chinese EV almost uninsurable in the west because finding their spare parts are nightmare.
@@Acceleronics That possibility you have also with that wasp. I know about a few high allergic people having this risk. (One is not alive any longer, one survived due to direct assistance (private driving to the nearest physician , followed by private drive (by the physician) to the hospital after a first injection with adrenaline) instead of waiting for an ambulance.
Decades ago my second hand Renault caught fire, some electrical wiring shorted in the engines bay. It died out by itself in minutes. In an EV you'd have to abandon the vehicle and stand far away in case the thing goes up like an extreme thermite reaction. 💩
Not that necessary. This type of fire will not ignite the main battery in its case. (Heat goes up...not down to the floor....however, in an ICE , often leaking fuel in combination with a spark, the fuel will go to the floor burning under the car and the neighbouring cars.
@@allangibson8494 Not within cooee of what we're seeing from EVs. And I don't think you get too many ICE cars self-combusting in your garage (etc) while off. Which is why *"Greek ferries no longer transport fully charged EVs: "*
@@maxhugen Propaganda. And yes ICE vehicles regularly burn out in garages (and fill them with toxic fumes even without burning) - it’s not NEWS because is so COMMON. ICE vehicles also kill the occupants in fires more often too (because they catch fire when occupied more often).
Depends on the content of the smoke. Some components are immediate dangerous to life and health like carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and hydrogen. Also oxygen insufficiency. Cobalt soot and decomposing hexaflouro phosphates are poisons that will cause organ damage and kill your immune system. Death isn’t immediate and suffering will be prolonged without medical care
EV fires are extremely rare. About a third of the cars on the road where I live are EVs and I’ve never seen or heard of an EV fire in the whole area. Could there be some toxic smoke? Yes. But so will there be in an ICE fire, and ICE fires are far more common. But here’s what’s insane about what you’re saying: ICE cars emit toxic smoke *as part of their regular operation*. Ever heard of carbon monoxide poising? NOx? PM 2.5 particles?
In the UK people claim that ICE fires are more frequent than EV fires. But to get an accurate comparison you need to include year of registration and fires per 100k vehicles. I've no data but suspect that age has a big impact on the rate of fires. Insurance companies will have that data but it will be secret for commercial reasons.
Stats would be mostly around Arson, Theft, Accidents for ICE fires then old and poorly maintained vehicles and dodgy modifications (putting nitrous on a car for example). In 30+ years all the cars I had none had caught fire except a time I forced fuel down the air filter to try get an old car to start - then I rushed got a fire extinguisher and it was out in a minute or 2 with a lot of regret for me (so again stupidity caused the fire - the cars were happily rusting away minding their own business and would have continued as such for years - the slightly burnt one still does!).
I had a new lead-acid battery explode in one of my cars. It was pretty much a non event. I turned the key, loud boom and smoke poured out from the hood... And that was it. If this were a Lithium battery, that would have been a major car fire.
You would think that the individual insurance companies know the rates of vehicle fires. They know what they have insured and what they have paid in claims.
Regarding frequency, what little data there is, is highly misinterpreted. It compares the totality of ICE fires to the totality of EV fires. However, comparing a 15 year old, 20 year old, and older ICE vehicles to relatively new EV vehicles is highly misleading. If you compared EV fires for EV’s under 10 years old (the overwhelming majority of them), to ICE vehicles under 10 years old, what would THAT look like? I’m betting its a different picture from the official narrative. To highlight the severity of the discrepancy, a just released study by S&P Global cited that the average age for ICE vehicles in the USA was 12.6 years. Meaning 50% of the cars on the road are OLDER than that. By comparison, they also cite that the average age of an EV in the USA is currently 3.5 years.
As well as age, the circumstances of the fire should be considered. If EVs are less likely to catch fire when being driven or in an accident, but more likely to catch fire when parked in the basement of an apartment block, the overall impact is far more serious.
Considering the ‘precautionary principle’ - that decarbonising the entire global economy will control global temperatures - yes I know this is a control narrative - switching from combustion vehicles to pure battery vehicles is madness. Couple that with the unpredictable dangerous fires from them; the narrative is beyond mad - it is calculated destruction. Destroy economies and destroy private vehicle ownership.
You are spot on ICE cars tend to be older cars or poorly maintained 15-20 years plus ICE cars do not generally catch fire when parked and are easy to extinguish. EV's can spontaneously combust which is difficult to prevent and may occur as live 24/7 and no-one is around to raise the alarm. THEY BURN MUCH HOTTER TOO ARE ARE DIFFICULT TO EXTINGUISH!! No cars let ALONE EV'S SHOULD BE PARKED UNDER BUILDINGS.LUTON CAR PARK FIRE IN UK A GOOD EXAMPLE AS BUILDING SUFFERED PARTIAL COLLAPSE DUE TO HEAT.
We have data for exactly this in Norway, where there’s far more EVs than anywhere in the world. If you compare an EV with an ICE of the same age, the EV is *still* far less likely to catch fire. Another way to look at the statistics: EVs account for 90% of new car sales and have been very high for a couple of years. Car fires are down. Car accident fatalities are unchanged. We also had a parking garage fire, started by a diesel car, in a garage with many EVs a few years ago. Not a single battery pack caught fire. I don’t think EVs sold in America are all that different than in Europe. China, maybe. But I think American car makers have fairly good quality assurance. And you got a lot of the same Korean and European cars in the US market.
I've had a minor car fire before which was my own fault. I disconnected a fuel line and fuel spilled onto the hot exhaust, the car had just been running. I was able to smoother it with a wet towel. Also, I do keep a fire extinguisher in my car in case I ever need it. The car was undamaged and the only injury was to my nerves.
I am not a fireworker, but I have seen a gasoline car start to burn, and it was a total loss in just a few minutes. It was scary, but the fire was noticed, driven to a safe stop, occupants left, and firefighting actually started say two minutes later, but it was a total loss of course. I have also seen the results of a LiFe ion battery pack burn inside a closed compartment. You have no warning, and when it starts it is too late to stop it. The best way is to let it burn out completely. Half damaged cells or modules are very dangerous. If I have to choose, I prefer any fuel fire before an exothermic runaway of a battery. In the comments someone suggested to inject pure oxygen instead of water to make sure everything burns very cleanly and fast. That is indeed a very smart solution.
It is not just cars. China has seen loss of life from EV bike fires. The bikes catch fire in buildings resulting in the building burning. EV bikes seem like a good candidate for some kind of isolation.
A friend of mine lost her sister in a gas car fire, knocked out by the air bag and burned to death! I have seen 3 car fires and helped put one out, I have owned 3 EV’s and have no fear as they warn you before catching!
That's horrible. I has both my wrists sprained by an airbag, leaving me stuck in the car for several minutes. The crash was under 30 mph. The airbags caused more injury and damage than the crash did.
@@Crosshair84 also my cousin had her neck broken by a low speed, in town crash by her airbag! I had a crash at 35MPH head on in the old days and my seatbelt was plenty!
American air bags are designed to stop a 6ft 200lb male not wearing a seat belt from hitting the steering wheel. They are known to be potentially lethal to women. Everywhere else assumes that you will be wearing a seat belt so has a smaller air bag to prevent impact injuries.
Well I have had two incidents with my car catching fire and both times it was contained by simply disconnecting the battery and some soaking from garden hose. However those fires that I had were easy to put out but an EV well you have a whole new ballpark in which to play and it is not just a matter of sheltering the vehicle from others. It is also a major concern about the extremely toxic and explosive gases and materials that anyone near enough will get exposed to that cause life changing disabilities and/or fatalities at the time of exposure to even weeks, months, or years down the track. This is therefore a real concern for the fellows who have to attend these EV fires despite the extra PPE required as their risk is exponentially more dangerous because of the number of these fries they have to attend.
We have very solid statistics on EV fires in Norway. There’s more EVs here than anywhere on the planet and the Norwegian government loves to collect data. Some key points: 1. EVs burn far less often than ICE. Even when adjusted for the age of the vehicle. 2. Most of the time EVs catch fire it has nothing to do with the traction battery. Meaning most EV fires have similar or less severity compare to ICE. 3. If you have an EV in a building on fire, or surrounded by cars on fire, the battery will most likely not catch fire. EV batteries are very well insulated from fires. 4. A study from Sweden comparing an ICE fire and EV battery fire in a controlled condition found no significant difference in severity measured in total energy output. The energy output by an EV is spread out over a much longer period though.
Yeah, I thought it was just my laptop, but it's everywhere. Glad I'm not alone. I reckon it's just YT screwing up things again to try to prevent "likes" on content they don't like, just like they got rid of the "dislike" (but you can get a browser extension "Return TH-cam Dislike" which brings it back.)
When you conduct a risk assessment on a project there are risks that have high likelihood to occur but low impact. On the other hand there are risks with low likelihood but extreme impact ie loss of life etc. This applies to EVs and any LiOn battery device, these have extreme impact and consequences
The lack of data thing isn't quite accurate. Whereas US data might be from that time there are other countries that have also done studies and have found that electric vehicles are far less likely to catch fire than internal combustion engine vehicles.
EV fire severity, we know that is not a question, we know just how bad a EV fire is, it's on a totally different scale to a ICE fire. As for frequency 8 EV fires a day in China, but now they have stopped reporting EV fires they, I wonder why? BTW the London fire service have said EVs are twice as likely to burn than ICE car, but the statistics for the UK shows they are equal. Maybe this is due to less older cars in London.
@@StacheDTraining In light of how their buisness profits dip every time something they insured goes sideways, you'd think they would fall over themselves to get that information out to fire and emergency services. But that makes too much sense, apparently.
@@yulusleonard985 Insurance companies can't be excessively risk adverse. Their whole buisness model is predicated on the fact that things do go wrong, and that they are there to mitigate the loss to the policy holder... for a price. No risk, no profit. They do frequently make value judgements when risk-rewards judgement calls endanger their profit margin, so I will not be surprised if insurance companies ultimately prove to be the most predominant factor that decides if currently designed EVs become a viable (market sustainable and safe) means of transportation. Technolgy does march forward. Who knows what the future will bring. Be safe.
I tried to reply to your second comment to me. I don't know what specific word I used triggered a deletion-event, but it went up in smoke (sorry, I couldn't resist). It was civil and not all that profound, both making any observation that touches upon the powers that be these days is getting increasingly difficult in the land of the free.
Design out the risk. If risk remains design out likelihood. If both risk and likelihood remain you redesign. If you can’t redesign stop what you are doing. Your activity is inherently unsafe.
Strangely enough, I don`t have a fireproof barrier between me and other when I park my car, I`ve never needed one. Create a problem and then allow someone else to make a lot of money out of solving it
The problem with burning ev while charging its how fast charging speed and how good its cooling. It can be either the coling system doesnt work or using the wrong charger since some still use air cooling.
I've seen quite a few cars catch on fire, and I would personally prefer an EV fire of a gasoline fire. The lithium batteries that I've blown up tends to have a solid or gas flame that takes a little time to grow, and is easier to run away from. Meanwhile I've seen gasoline spray from a petrol car fire quite horrifically. The stickyness and volatility of gasoline makes me fear it more. I feel for the fire fighters a lot with this, lithium is harder to put out after it starts but its easier to not have a fatality from. In the end, LiFePo4 batteries would be better in many cars because they don't tend to burn at all.
If you spend five minutes to look for data from outside USA you will easily find statistics from other countries that are more up to date. Maybe a follow up on that?
And the EV fleet is young. The vast majority of fires for ICE is from old cars. Think of old wiring… If we get sodium batteries for cars, no thermal runaway.
I think when we look at these figures there’s one very important detail that needs to be there and looked into and that’s cause of fire. We all know there are many more ICE vehicles on the road compared to EVs so the likelihood of a crash involving ICE vehicles is much higher than EVs because of these numbers, now we need to know how many fires are due to accidents and this is where figures get difficult. This percentage of fires due to accidents will increase when more and more EVs keep coming into play and and the likelihood of accidents involving EVs will increase so it’s very hard to get an accurate account of this or predict what the figure will be with an increasing number of EVs.
Car fires vs ev fires are like conventional bombs vs nuclear bombs. Less EVs and nuclear bombs have been exploded, but I wouldn’t go around calling them safer like ev zealots are about EVs…
"You are far more likely to bump into ice with your cocktail glass than I am with the side of my ship" Captain Edward John Smith My petrol-powered car (that's gasoline for you yanks) has very frequent fires. There are typically 3000 little fires per minute inside my engine when I am driving along. Look at my exhaust pipe and you can see the smoke from all of these fires.
ICE, internal combustion engine has been burning carbon fuel well over a hundred years in Western Civilization. The US-EPA wants to ban carbon fuel, when carbon dioxide is the gas of life we don't exist without it.
@@bellytripper-nh8ox you did a very good job. However LiFePO4 batteries are not capable of exploding. After all that is what is meant by risk in this video.
Not taking any sides here but with gasoline vehicles you do need to factor in the distribution of the fuel to gas stations.Recently a fuel truck took out a major bridge. Yes low probably but high severity and although car fires themselves are lower severity the distribution of fuel to run ICE vehicles is the high severity. Not an expert on this just my take on a complex matter.I guess you could say the transmission of electricity to EV chargers can also have issues eg substation fires.
Have you noticed the warning placards on fuel trucks? They also have to take specific routes to minimize risk. Yet, EVs are parked in residential areas.
Dramatic as they undoubtedly are, I would wager that the incidence of EV fires is actually really low. I think it's a bit like plane crashes - massive impact, low probability...
@@vendomnu While the ICE pundits claim EV’s are inherently worse (they aren’t). Even when getting power from a coal fired power station, EV’s have a lower carbon footprint than Gasoline vehicles (ICE cars are that BAD in efficiency (and used to be much much worse when fuel was 10c/gallon)).
@@allangibson8494 New EVs start out with a much higher footprint. By the time they catch up to it their battery needs replacing and they start over. Sorry, your EVs are just not that great. If they were then subsidizing the sales would not be necessary. And why are sales plummeting? And prices being dumped? And EV manufacturing plants closed down?
Have there been any studies on CNG vehicle failures and severity. I did acoustic-emission testing on CNG fleets from New Jersey to Los Angeles. These vehicle are basically Bombs on Wheels. The standard LA-MTA CNG bus had twelve 3600 psi tanks attached to it. Ten belly tanks and two above the rear engine compartment. They did have failures, one during refueling. The photos of the damage we took during the failure analysis were never released to the public. LAFD recently experienced a catastrophic CNG truck failure that sent several firefighters to the hospital. Any information on this would be interesting. I don't believe most people around the country are aware that these vehicles are driving within feet of them everyday. Here is a video of the Los Angeles CNG Truck Explosion. th-cam.com/video/nJbvLhe_gfI/w-d-xo.html
Would like to know, anyone owning an EV, how worried they are about potential EV fire🤔. Not sure, if anyone commenting has a direct EV ownership🤞. Why can't EVs dump their coolant into battery compartment, when elevated temperature is detected(before actual fire and thermal runaway)? Feel that the current temp. monitoring is limited to pack level and not at cell level. Also how much margin we have between a battery that is dangerously warm and one that could get into a thermal runaway🤔. We definitely need fireproof batteries😂❤👍
Anyone in the rc hobby who runs thier rc cars drone etc. on lipo batteries can tell you that these batteries are very dangerous when improperly charging.
actually the EV fires are pretty frequent considering how few EVs are on the roads plus EV can set fire to houses, buildings and other cars 10m away and there's no stopping sn EV fire plus in EV fire you can't even open the doors to get out atleast that's what we see online in videos
Im a qualified mechanic and panel beater. Ive had so many arguments with EV idiots, especially over the argument EV fan boys use When they say ICE vehicles catch fire and more have caught fire than EVs. I say but ice vehicles have been around alot longer than EVs so its not a fare argument. Then we get arguing about the way a ice vehicle fire V EV fire. I explain only time a ICE vehicle will catch fire is a crash, a fuel leak, a shorted out wire. I own a 57 Plymouth, and its never caught fire, and if i keep it maintained it never will catch fire, it doesn't leak fuel, it has good wiring , everything is in maintained good condition. EVs on the other hand are brand new vehicle's and they are randomly catching fire. Oh well EV fan boys still will argue.
@@TheJon2442 Nope! The car will be totaled even with broken sunroof because some idiot climb on it. No slow impact necessary. They are still small percentage of yearly production of legacy manufacturer so no spare parts available in large quantity and the Chinese who currently the master of EV dont bother shipping them with parts.
@@yulusleonard985 funny how they were being forced on the public.... With the line doesn't need maintenance etc.... luckily people with a brain never fell for the bs.... Very happy with my euro 6 4x4 diesel that does 1000 Kms on 60 litres of fuel. And if I don't use it for a month in winter it still has the same amount of range regardless!
@@TheJon2442 It just fossil fuel logistic are insane and your government dont want to deal with it anymore. You can keep your diesel but good luck getting its fuel 10 years from now. It has nothing to do with environment but more to long term sustainability. Me, I have my Honda civic but my government openly stated they are not going to help me with my gasoline in the future, I have to switch to EV eventually.
auto insurance bullshit statistics... does no difference between incidental fires and intentionnal fires does no difference between running fire and fires that comes out of nowheres on a parked car, off duty... EVs are the one that ignites anywhere anytime, with no one around.
Severity vs frequency…. When they do light up you virtually can’t put ‘em out … And by all reports ( 2 in a thousand per year) in China… It isn’t good news for EVs ….
Here is another one: Q. What is the difference between mandated EV's and mandated injections of an experimental Covid vaccine? A. Government insists that both are a safe and effective solution to an urgent problem, but one is brought to you by @fizer whereas the other is taken away from you by fire.
And yet the only EV fire footage you share is old and from China - how many casualties have you had in America since 2010 due to electric fires? 1? 5? Or zero?
The EV vs ICE fire stats are so incorrect as you are comparing cars with an average age of under 5 years vs cars with average ages of 12? Years and the ice cars that catch fire ( outside of arson ) are more likly average age of 15 years There are virtually no 15 year old EV cars
Only 392 Cyber Trucks have ever been made and no more will be made do to reality. Out of those 392 at least 87 have caught on fire. That is over 20%. The average gas car has about 200 that per model that catch on fire out of over 200,000,000. 200 out of 200,000,000 is 0.0000001%. Now which is more prone to fires. The gas vehicle which has such a small percentage that the fraction is too small for most people even comprehend or the electric which is over 20% meaning out of 5 cars at least 1 will catch on fire? All other Electric vehicles are about the same. Hell there has been less than 10 million total electric vehicles ever made and over 2 million have caught on fire. That is not good at all.
None of this info is accurate. There are about 3000 cybertrucks on the road based on the recent recall. I don't believe I've seen any cybertruck fires yet. It actually has a well designed battery.
A fossil car burns every 3-5 minutts in the USA. And a fossil car with big batteries, ARE a fossil car. 2 people dies from this every day. The data from Norway, says that an EV burn 6-20 times less. Even with 26% of all cars on the road EV's, there hasn't been any deaths. EV's are generally safer in crashes. So, this most also be a part of the overall safety. Last year with 1/4 of all cars EV's, there was 19 fires. For fossil cars 1700. Norwegian loves EV's. And the best winter olympians in the world, comes from Norway. Norway are also the most democratic country 7 years in a row. 90% wants an EV.....
I've had one car fire in my life. Car backfired and the carb started burning. I put it out with a towel. EV fires are like thermite bombs.
I've only had one, if it even counts. Fast & Furious just came out, and I wanted NOS. Not nitrous, I wanted NOS, just like Dominic Turreto. So I hooked it up to a LT1 Firebird, and with all my genius, I activated a 200 shot at idle. A giant fireball shot out from the intake and blew the intake duct off the throttle body, and then it extinguished as fast as it blew. I just hooked the duct back up and went about on my way. Before any criticizing, I was 16 years old, and didn't know the difference between a spark plug and an oil drain plug at the time.
@@vivillager too bad you didn't take video. That sounds epic.
I've seen a quite old car on fire once, and with about 3 fire extinguishers, it got put out. Had we not have a fire extinguisher in hands, the car would have burned to the ground.
The thing is, we DID put out the fire indeed. Not so lucky with an EV drive battery, thankfully never seen it in person.
@@Kalvinjj Most EV fires are the same as any ICE fire. Heat is going up.
And the battery is in the floor low. (Tesla has data about this...I remember that 9 of 10 tesla cars on fire gad their mainbattery still inbtact.
THIS is what this guy calls. Collecting data.
Of coarse he said he had no data (US related.
However...Sweden did collect partly those kind of data .
The frequency of fire in an EV is 0,1 of that in an ICE car.
However..A hybrid car (Both ice engine and EV drivetrain) has a firerisk of 1,1 of that in an ICE (10% more risk).
Severity?
The petrol car (1995) from my neighbour combusted in the night.
Luckily I was awoken by the noise...sleeping at the correct side of the house.
Alarming other neighbours was just in time to save the cars parked alongside, 2 already with heat damage on plastic parts (melting)....it is not only an EV which can ignate cars alongside.
Oh, the flames of my neighbours car reached rooftop height (8 meter)...glad that it was parked on street, not in a garage.
An old timer taught me to deal with a carburetor fire by going to WOT and crank the engine. WOT is wide open throttle, although the acceleration pump add a shot of fuel to the fire.
I have been saying this for a while now that the data is totally wrong and out of date and the insurance companies know it too because they keep jacking up the rates on electric vehicles with no end in sight. When I mention this to the EV cultist they go absolutely bonkers and then resort to name calling.
As an EV cultist myself, I'd just like to say F#$@ *@&* %$#! &%$ (&#@%& ))^%$#@ !!!
The worst kind I've seen is the proudly ignorant one: when you mention the high impact despite low probability (if even that low relatively to ICEs...), and the person you're talking to says that the high impact is irrelevant because of the low probability.
The thing is we aren't talking about being 24/7 protected about an asteroid hitting you on the head. We're talking about something that can actually happen, either as a consequence of an unrelated accident (crash, running over an object) or directly unexpected, no warning, with no apparent cause.
The high insurance rate is mostly not about the fire risk. Electric cars are not more likely to be totaled from catching fire, but they are more easily totaled. Any damage to battery or battery case is an auto-total. But more importantly EVs are a much more of a integrated system not individual components like gas cars with more curvy frame for aerodynamics, so repairs are much more expensive.
@@edouglasroche Not all cars are Teslas. Most have a modulair battery system.
With damage they only replace one module (could be 12,5% ) of the accu.
Tesla however has ONE big batterypack...They do not risk changing sepaerate cells in that pack....
For the other high repair costs...This is exactly the same with all new ICE cars with integrated fdrive assistances and other conecting features.
Repairing a new BMW or Mercedes is as costly as repairing an EV (same size and options on board)
Isnt EV insurance have more problem with spare arts availability than others. Chinese EV almost uninsurable in the west because finding their spare parts are nightmare.
I'd rather get stung by a mosquito every week, opposed to be stung by a wasp every month.
It is a nice example of Probability x Severity! 👍
Or stung once by a bee that causes anaphylactic shock followed by death.
@@Acceleronics And here I was thinking "If a wasp sting would inoculate me against malaria and West Nile, I'd rather be stung by a wasp."
@@harrymills2770 But they don't... that's it! I'll go for the mosquito
@@Acceleronics That possibility you have also with that wasp. I know about a few high allergic people having this risk. (One is not alive any longer, one survived due to direct assistance (private driving to the nearest physician , followed by private drive (by the physician) to the hospital after a first injection with adrenaline) instead of waiting for an ambulance.
Decades ago my second hand Renault caught fire, some electrical wiring shorted in the engines bay. It died out by itself in minutes. In an EV you'd have to abandon the vehicle and stand far away in case the thing goes up like an extreme thermite reaction. 💩
Not that necessary. This type of fire will not ignite the main battery in its case.
(Heat goes up...not down to the floor....however, in an ICE , often leaking fuel in combination with a spark, the fuel will go to the floor burning under the car and the neighbouring cars.
@@reiniernn9071 I suggest you watch a few EV fires on TH-cam. After seeing how EVs burn like furious flamethrowers you might change your opinion.
@@maxhugenSo do ICE cars.
@@allangibson8494 Not within cooee of what we're seeing from EVs. And I don't think you get too many ICE cars self-combusting in your garage (etc) while off. Which is why *"Greek ferries no longer transport fully charged EVs: "*
@@maxhugen Propaganda.
And yes ICE vehicles regularly burn out in garages (and fill them with toxic fumes even without burning) - it’s not NEWS because is so COMMON.
ICE vehicles also kill the occupants in fires more often too (because they catch fire when occupied more often).
How long does toxic smoke inhalation take to kill you? Instant death fatalities are low but what about long term deaths from EV fires?
Depends on the content of the smoke. Some components are immediate dangerous to life and health like carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and hydrogen. Also oxygen insufficiency. Cobalt soot and decomposing hexaflouro phosphates are poisons that will cause organ damage and kill your immune system. Death isn’t immediate and suffering will be prolonged without medical care
EV fires are extremely rare. About a third of the cars on the road where I live are EVs and I’ve never seen or heard of an EV fire in the whole area.
Could there be some toxic smoke? Yes. But so will there be in an ICE fire, and ICE fires are far more common.
But here’s what’s insane about what you’re saying: ICE cars emit toxic smoke *as part of their regular operation*. Ever heard of carbon monoxide poising? NOx? PM 2.5 particles?
@@auspiciouslywild All the ev fires on the web are just photo shopped?
More reason to avoid hybrid, they store batteries inside the vehicle.
These videos are so well made! This channel should easily have 100k subs
He definitely has the full knowledge and is very confident about the subject of fires a safety.
EV 🔥🔥🔥 are EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to put OUT.
“I’ve never known a horse to catch on fire.” John Jones, 1906
In the UK people claim that ICE fires are more frequent than EV fires.
But to get an accurate comparison you need to include year of registration and fires per 100k vehicles. I've no data but suspect that age has a big impact on the rate of fires. Insurance companies will have that data but it will be secret for commercial reasons.
Stats would be mostly around Arson, Theft, Accidents for ICE fires then old and poorly maintained vehicles and dodgy modifications (putting nitrous on a car for example). In 30+ years all the cars I had none had caught fire except a time I forced fuel down the air filter to try get an old car to start - then I rushed got a fire extinguisher and it was out in a minute or 2 with a lot of regret for me (so again stupidity caused the fire - the cars were happily rusting away minding their own business and would have continued as such for years - the slightly burnt one still does!).
You are right about FMEA being a long, drawn out, and dry exercise.
And if done correctly, it doesn't end.
I had a new lead-acid battery explode in one of my cars. It was pretty much a non event. I turned the key, loud boom and smoke poured out from the hood... And that was it. If this were a Lithium battery, that would have been a major car fire.
You would think that the individual insurance companies know the rates of vehicle fires. They know what they have insured and what they have paid in claims.
My Kingswood never caught on fire.
What about those lethal gases from those battery fires? Does that barrier contain those too?
The gases are too low concentrated in an open environment
@@matsekodo Those puny gases you seem to make light of are capable of crippling you even if your skin is exposed to them.
@@matsekodo
BS.
The guidelines for smokedivers in Denmark in full gear is maximum exposure to EV smoke for a total of 15 minutes PER DAY!
@@vendomnu thank god EVs don't burn that often in Denmark (81 times from 2018-2022)
@@falconpatrol3565 I would love to have a source for this information
Regarding frequency, what little data there is, is highly misinterpreted. It compares the totality of ICE fires to the totality of EV fires. However, comparing a 15 year old, 20 year old, and older ICE vehicles to relatively new EV vehicles is highly misleading. If you compared EV fires for EV’s under 10 years old (the overwhelming majority of them), to ICE vehicles under 10 years old, what would THAT look like? I’m betting its a different picture from the official narrative. To highlight the severity of the discrepancy, a just released study by S&P Global cited that the average age for ICE vehicles in the USA was 12.6 years. Meaning 50% of the cars on the road are OLDER than that. By comparison, they also cite that the average age of an EV in the USA is currently 3.5 years.
I agree 100% and discuss many of those points in an older video: th-cam.com/video/d_SpHvBfzrw/w-d-xo.html
As well as age, the circumstances of the fire should be considered. If EVs are less likely to catch fire when being driven or in an accident, but more likely to catch fire when parked in the basement of an apartment block, the overall impact is far more serious.
Considering the ‘precautionary principle’ - that decarbonising the entire global economy will control global temperatures - yes I know this is a control narrative - switching from combustion vehicles to pure battery vehicles is madness. Couple that with the unpredictable dangerous fires from them; the narrative is beyond mad - it is calculated destruction. Destroy economies and destroy private vehicle ownership.
You are spot on ICE cars tend to be older cars or poorly maintained 15-20 years plus ICE cars do not generally catch fire when parked and are easy to extinguish. EV's can spontaneously combust which is difficult to prevent and may occur as live 24/7 and no-one is around to raise the alarm. THEY BURN MUCH HOTTER TOO ARE ARE DIFFICULT TO EXTINGUISH!! No cars let ALONE EV'S SHOULD BE PARKED UNDER BUILDINGS.LUTON CAR PARK FIRE IN UK A GOOD EXAMPLE AS BUILDING SUFFERED PARTIAL COLLAPSE DUE TO HEAT.
We have data for exactly this in Norway, where there’s far more EVs than anywhere in the world. If you compare an EV with an ICE of the same age, the EV is *still* far less likely to catch fire.
Another way to look at the statistics: EVs account for 90% of new car sales and have been very high for a couple of years. Car fires are down. Car accident fatalities are unchanged.
We also had a parking garage fire, started by a diesel car, in a garage with many EVs a few years ago. Not a single battery pack caught fire.
I don’t think EVs sold in America are all that different than in Europe. China, maybe. But I think American car makers have fairly good quality assurance. And you got a lot of the same Korean and European cars in the US market.
lithium boat and car batteries cause fire as well
Right. And what is your point?
@@LTVoyagerno point he’s a nutter
Well done. Well covered. Logical. To the point. Educational.
I've had a minor car fire before which was my own fault. I disconnected a fuel line and fuel spilled onto the hot exhaust, the car had just been running. I was able to smoother it with a wet towel. Also, I do keep a fire extinguisher in my car in case I ever need it. The car was undamaged and the only injury was to my nerves.
It’s outrageous and totally unacceptable to expect firefighters to go anywhere near an EV fire.
There should be flame retardant stickers on EVs, purely so that fire fighters don't have to know every make and model that's been made?
I am not a fireworker, but I have seen a gasoline car start to burn, and it was a total loss in just a few minutes. It was scary, but the fire was noticed, driven to a safe stop, occupants left, and firefighting actually started say two minutes later, but it was a total loss of course.
I have also seen the results of a LiFe ion battery pack burn inside a closed compartment. You have no warning, and when it starts it is too late to stop it. The best way is to let it burn out completely. Half damaged cells or modules are very dangerous.
If I have to choose, I prefer any fuel fire before an exothermic runaway of a battery.
In the comments someone suggested to inject pure oxygen instead of water to make sure everything burns very cleanly and fast. That is indeed a very smart solution.
Whats with the thumbs down icon only is You Tube only allowing positive feeling lies about EV
Odd. Second person with that complaint today.
The negatives outweigh the good if any.
It is not just cars. China has seen loss of life from EV bike fires. The bikes catch fire in buildings resulting in the building burning. EV bikes seem like a good candidate for some kind of isolation.
Infrastructure changes are absolutely essential to deal with EV’s safely.
A friend of mine lost her sister in a gas car fire, knocked out by the air bag and burned to death! I have seen 3 car fires and helped put one out, I have owned 3 EV’s and have no fear as they warn you before catching!
That's horrible. I has both my wrists sprained by an airbag, leaving me stuck in the car for several minutes. The crash was under 30 mph. The airbags caused more injury and damage than the crash did.
@@Crosshair84 also my cousin had her neck broken by a low speed, in town crash by her airbag! I had a crash at 35MPH head on in the old days and my seatbelt was plenty!
Drivers sometimes sit too close to the steering wheel/airbag.
@@1SAM007 my wife is 5’2 and can’t do otherwise, so I usually drive! Many are fighting to outlaw airbags
American air bags are designed to stop a 6ft 200lb male not wearing a seat belt from hitting the steering wheel. They are known to be potentially lethal to women.
Everywhere else assumes that you will be wearing a seat belt so has a smaller air bag to prevent impact injuries.
Well I have had two incidents with my car catching fire and both times it was contained by simply disconnecting the battery and some soaking from garden hose. However those fires that I had were easy to put out but an EV well you have a whole new ballpark in which to play and it is not just a matter of sheltering the vehicle from others. It is also a major concern about the extremely toxic and explosive gases and materials that anyone near enough will get exposed to that cause life changing disabilities and/or fatalities at the time of exposure to even weeks, months, or years down the track. This is therefore a real concern for the fellows who have to attend these EV fires despite the extra PPE required as their risk is exponentially more dangerous because of the number of these fries they have to attend.
Great content ! nr 1 ev training channel out there , congrats 👏
Glad you enjoy it!
We have very solid statistics on EV fires in Norway. There’s more EVs here than anywhere on the planet and the Norwegian government loves to collect data. Some key points:
1. EVs burn far less often than ICE. Even when adjusted for the age of the vehicle.
2. Most of the time EVs catch fire it has nothing to do with the traction battery. Meaning most EV fires have similar or less severity compare to ICE.
3. If you have an EV in a building on fire, or surrounded by cars on fire, the battery will most likely not catch fire. EV batteries are very well insulated from fires.
4. A study from Sweden comparing an ICE fire and EV battery fire in a controlled condition found no significant difference in severity measured in total energy output. The energy output by an EV is spread out over a much longer period though.
Did they put hybrid at the same as BEV? hybrid still use air cooling and store battery inside vehicle.
@auspiciouslywild underrated comment
It's just Hazmat on 4 wheels with no placards
All cars are…
Maybe we should put stickers on them to raise a awareness. The EV cultists love awareness.
The EV gang will prefer the lack of data
And the ICE gang ignore the existing data from multiple countries that the biggest risk for an EV fire is ARSON.
FMEA does not quantitatively consider frequency of failure events. *FMECA* incorporates failure rates: Failure Mode Effects & Criticality Analysis.
It's called "occurrence" in the form, but the rating is based on frequency.
FMEDA - failure mode effects and diagnostic analysis.
The best way to avoid having a devastating EV fire anywhere near me is: don't allow EVs or their chargers anywhere near me!
When I go shopping I leave my dog in the car … So I won’t even park next to one.
You should not ise any devices with lithium batteries near you....like smartphones....very dangerous in your slee[ping room near your head....
Better toss out your phone too! IT HAS A SCAWY BATTEWY!
Where did the Like button go? Only the unlike button is visible, how silly
Shut down your phone and restart. I can see the *_like_* button.
Happening on several channels; lots of weird glitches on YT lately.
Yeah, I thought it was just my laptop, but it's everywhere. Glad I'm not alone. I reckon it's just YT screwing up things again to try to prevent "likes" on content they don't like, just like they got rid of the "dislike" (but you can get a browser extension "Return TH-cam Dislike" which brings it back.)
I got that on another video but see it on this one
It seems to be random, some channels I can see it others I can’t. Technology wonderful thing
Thanks!
When you conduct a risk assessment on a project there are risks that have high likelihood to occur but low impact. On the other hand there are risks with low likelihood but extreme impact ie loss of life etc. This applies to EVs and any LiOn battery device, these have extreme impact and consequences
The lack of data thing isn't quite accurate. Whereas US data might be from that time there are other countries that have also done studies and have found that electric vehicles are far less likely to catch fire than internal combustion engine vehicles.
EV fire severity, we know that is not a question, we know just how bad a EV fire is, it's on a totally different scale to a ICE fire. As for frequency 8 EV fires a day in China, but now they have stopped reporting EV fires they, I wonder why? BTW the London fire service have said EVs are twice as likely to burn than ICE car, but the statistics for the UK shows they are equal. Maybe this is due to less older cars in London.
Not to worry, we'll still have the same media and press charlatans telling us how great EVs are???
Can fire department researchers get access to insurance company records to improve accident frequency and severity data collection?
Unfortunately, it's all proprietary.
@@StacheDTraining In light of how their buisness profits dip every time something they insured goes sideways, you'd think they would fall over themselves to get that information out to fire and emergency services. But that makes too much sense, apparently.
@@BonannoCM They can simply refuse certain car. Like what Europe did with Chinese EV since they dont have spareparts available.
@@yulusleonard985 Insurance companies can't be excessively risk adverse. Their whole buisness model is predicated on the fact that things do go wrong, and that they are there to mitigate the loss to the policy holder... for a price. No risk, no profit. They do frequently make value judgements when risk-rewards judgement calls endanger their profit margin, so I will not be surprised if insurance companies ultimately prove to be the most predominant factor that decides if currently designed EVs become a viable (market sustainable and safe) means of transportation. Technolgy does march forward. Who knows what the future will bring. Be safe.
I tried to reply to your second comment to me. I don't know what specific word I used triggered a deletion-event, but it went up in smoke (sorry, I couldn't resist). It was civil and not all that profound, both making any observation that touches upon the powers that be these days is getting increasingly difficult in the land of the free.
All those Kia and Hyundai fires (almost all) were due to faulty, ill designed ABS modules. That's an electrical fire.
Design out the risk. If risk remains design out likelihood. If both risk and likelihood remain you redesign. If you can’t redesign stop what you are doing. Your activity is inherently unsafe.
Strangely enough, I don`t have a fireproof barrier between me and other when I park my car, I`ve never needed one.
Create a problem and then allow someone else to make a lot of money out of solving it
You obviously haven’t looked at the signs where you fill up.
Fuel stations are an extremely high risk location.
The problem with burning ev while charging its how fast charging speed and how good its cooling. It can be either the coling system doesnt work or using the wrong charger since some still use air cooling.
I've seen quite a few cars catch on fire, and I would personally prefer an EV fire of a gasoline fire. The lithium batteries that I've blown up tends to have a solid or gas flame that takes a little time to grow, and is easier to run away from. Meanwhile I've seen gasoline spray from a petrol car fire quite horrifically. The stickyness and volatility of gasoline makes me fear it more.
I feel for the fire fighters a lot with this, lithium is harder to put out after it starts but its easier to not have a fatality from.
In the end, LiFePo4 batteries would be better in many cars because they don't tend to burn at all.
Thanks ☺️
If you spend five minutes to look for data from outside USA you will easily find statistics from other countries that are more up to date. Maybe a follow up on that?
And the EV fleet is young.
The vast majority of fires for ICE is from old cars.
Think of old wiring…
If we get sodium batteries for cars, no thermal runaway.
Isnt thermal runaway are rare, EV more likely catch fire from charging error because manufacturer cut corner with its cooling.
Wonder if other countries collect the data?
I think when we look at these figures there’s one very important detail that needs to be there and looked into and that’s cause of fire. We all know there are many more ICE vehicles on the road compared to EVs so the likelihood of a crash involving ICE vehicles is much higher than EVs because of these numbers, now we need to know how many fires are due to accidents and this is where figures get difficult. This percentage of fires due to accidents will increase when more and more EVs keep coming into play and and the likelihood of accidents involving EVs will increase so it’s very hard to get an accurate account of this or predict what the figure will be with an increasing number of EVs.
Most EV fire are from charging error, just avoid EV with air cooling if you want to use fast charger.
Car fires vs ev fires are like conventional bombs vs nuclear bombs. Less EVs and nuclear bombs have been exploded, but I wouldn’t go around calling them safer like ev zealots are about EVs…
You obviously haven’t seen an LPG vehicle fire. 30 yard diameter fireball.
"You are far more likely to bump into ice with your cocktail glass than I am with the side of my ship"
Captain Edward John Smith
My petrol-powered car (that's gasoline for you yanks) has very frequent fires. There are typically 3000 little fires per minute inside my engine when I am driving along. Look at my exhaust pipe and you can see the smoke from all of these fires.
So you're poisoning everybody around daily and that's ok for you...
ICE, internal combustion engine has been burning carbon fuel well over a hundred years in Western Civilization. The US-EPA wants to ban carbon fuel, when carbon dioxide is the gas of life we don't exist without it.
LiFeP04 batteries have a way lower frequency and risk
Replying to @matsekodo:
I will finish your sentence **FOR** you:
"of exploding and catching fire"
Did i finish your sentence right?
@@bellytripper-nh8ox you did a very good job. However LiFePO4 batteries are not capable of exploding. After all that is what is meant by risk in this video.
EV fire will be high risk high frequency event in the coming years.
3:22 scary as fvck!
Not taking any sides here but with gasoline vehicles you do need to factor in the distribution of the fuel to gas stations.Recently a fuel truck took out a major bridge. Yes low probably but high severity and although car fires themselves are lower severity the distribution of fuel to run ICE vehicles is the high severity. Not an expert on this just my take on a complex matter.I guess you could say the transmission of electricity to EV chargers can also have issues eg substation fires.
Have you noticed the warning placards on fuel trucks? They also have to take specific routes to minimize risk.
Yet, EVs are parked in residential areas.
@@vendomnu Yes a very good point.
There have been three highway bridges brought down by fuel trucks in the last two years.
Zero by EV’s.
Dramatic as they undoubtedly are, I would wager that the incidence of EV fires is actually really low. I think it's a bit like plane crashes - massive impact, low probability...
Tesla data is available to the public. They represent at least 50% of all data.
How much carbon does a electric car emit into the atmosphere when it catches fire
And how much cooling water for the batteries become contaminated and run off into streams and lakes to the detriment of aquatic life?
@@vendomnuAsk yourself what 15 gallons of gasoline or diesel does to aquatic life. Same difference.
@@allangibson8494
Are ICE cars touted as saviours of everything green?
No, that would be the EV propaganda.
@@vendomnu While the ICE pundits claim EV’s are inherently worse (they aren’t).
Even when getting power from a coal fired power station, EV’s have a lower carbon footprint than Gasoline vehicles (ICE cars are that BAD in efficiency (and used to be much much worse when fuel was 10c/gallon)).
@@allangibson8494
New EVs start out with a much higher footprint. By the time they catch up to it their battery needs replacing and they start over.
Sorry, your EVs are just not that great.
If they were then subsidizing the sales would not be necessary.
And why are sales plummeting?
And prices being dumped?
And EV manufacturing plants closed down?
Have there been any studies on CNG vehicle failures and severity. I did acoustic-emission testing on CNG fleets from New Jersey to Los Angeles. These vehicle are basically Bombs on Wheels. The standard LA-MTA CNG bus had twelve 3600 psi tanks attached to it. Ten belly tanks and two above the rear engine compartment. They did have failures, one during refueling. The photos of the damage we took during the failure analysis were never released to the public. LAFD recently experienced a catastrophic CNG truck failure that sent several firefighters to the hospital. Any information on this would be interesting. I don't believe most people around the country are aware that these vehicles are driving within feet of them everyday. Here is a video of the Los Angeles CNG Truck Explosion. th-cam.com/video/nJbvLhe_gfI/w-d-xo.html
I did a video on the LA incident. I'm currently working on an update video.
Would like to know, anyone owning an EV, how worried they are about potential EV fire🤔. Not sure, if anyone commenting has a direct EV ownership🤞. Why can't EVs dump their coolant into battery compartment, when elevated temperature is detected(before actual fire and thermal runaway)? Feel that the current temp. monitoring is limited to pack level and not at cell level. Also how much margin we have between a battery that is dangerously warm and one that could get into a thermal runaway🤔. We definitely need fireproof batteries😂❤👍
There wouldn't be enough coolant in the system.
It’ll be a cold day in HELL before I’d buy an EV!
hopefully insurance will go up for EVs 5000% as houses will burn down a lot more often with imbeciles buying them---environmental disasters
Anyone in the rc hobby who runs thier rc cars drone etc. on lipo batteries can tell you that these batteries are very dangerous when improperly charging.
I think mandatory cooling system will benefit avoiding EV fire while charging. EV with Air cooling should be banned from using public fast charger.
actually the EV fires are pretty frequent considering how few EVs are on the roads plus EV can set fire to houses, buildings and other cars 10m away and there's no stopping sn EV fire plus in EV fire you can't even open the doors to get out atleast that's what we see online in videos
Im a qualified mechanic and panel beater. Ive had so many arguments with EV idiots, especially over the argument EV fan boys use When they say ICE vehicles catch fire and more have caught fire than EVs. I say but ice vehicles have been around alot longer than EVs so its not a fare argument. Then we get arguing about the way a ice vehicle fire V EV fire. I explain only time a ICE vehicle will catch fire is a crash, a fuel leak, a shorted out wire. I own a 57 Plymouth, and its never caught fire, and if i keep it maintained it never will catch fire, it doesn't leak fuel, it has good wiring , everything is in maintained good condition. EVs on the other hand are brand new vehicle's and they are randomly catching fire. Oh well EV fan boys still will argue.
If EVs are so reliable etc why is insurance so astronomical?
Spareparts availability
@@yulusleonard985 nothing to do with the issues surrounding low speed impacts!
@@TheJon2442 Nope! The car will be totaled even with broken sunroof because some idiot climb on it. No slow impact necessary.
They are still small percentage of yearly production of legacy manufacturer so no spare parts available in large quantity and the Chinese who currently the master of EV dont bother shipping them with parts.
@@yulusleonard985 funny how they were being forced on the public.... With the line doesn't need maintenance etc.... luckily people with a brain never fell for the bs.... Very happy with my euro 6 4x4 diesel that does 1000 Kms on 60 litres of fuel. And if I don't use it for a month in winter it still has the same amount of range regardless!
@@TheJon2442 It just fossil fuel logistic are insane and your government dont want to deal with it anymore. You can keep your diesel but good luck getting its fuel 10 years from now. It has nothing to do with environment but more to long term sustainability.
Me, I have my Honda civic but my government openly stated they are not going to help me with my gasoline in the future, I have to switch to EV eventually.
auto insurance bullshit statistics...
does no difference between incidental fires and intentionnal fires
does no difference between running fire and fires that comes out of nowheres on a parked car, off duty...
EVs are the one that ignites anywhere anytime, with no one around.
Official Chinese info - 7 EV fires per DAY!!! if you count electric scooters etc, over 20,000 per year
Severity vs frequency….
When they do light up you virtually can’t put ‘em out …
And by all reports ( 2 in a thousand per year) in China…
It isn’t good news for EVs ….
Here's a joke:
What does an EV and an active volcano have in common?
I don't know, but either way, we are all fucked!
Here is another one:
Q. What is the difference between mandated EV's and mandated injections of an experimental Covid vaccine?
A. Government insists that both are a safe and effective solution to an urgent problem, but one is brought to you by @fizer whereas the other is taken away from you by fire.
And yet the only EV fire footage you share is old and from China - how many casualties have you had in America since 2010 due to electric fires? 1? 5? Or zero?
The EV vs ICE fire stats are so incorrect as you are comparing cars with an average age of under 5 years vs cars with average ages of 12? Years and the ice cars that catch fire ( outside of arson ) are more likly average age of 15 years
There are virtually no 15 year old EV cars
Only 392 Cyber Trucks have ever been made and no more will be made do to reality. Out of those 392 at least 87 have caught on fire. That is over 20%. The average gas car has about 200 that per model that catch on fire out of over 200,000,000. 200 out of 200,000,000 is 0.0000001%. Now which is more prone to fires. The gas vehicle which has such a small percentage that the fraction is too small for most people even comprehend or the electric which is over 20% meaning out of 5 cars at least 1 will catch on fire? All other Electric vehicles are about the same. Hell there has been less than 10 million total electric vehicles ever made and over 2 million have caught on fire. That is not good at all.
Source - where is this 87 fires list?
@@darcsentor I do believe his source was directly out of his ass😂
None of this info is accurate. There are about 3000 cybertrucks on the road based on the recent recall. I don't believe I've seen any cybertruck fires yet. It actually has a well designed battery.
So much ignorance in the comments 😂
Seems like most commenters didn't even watch the video. They came here to have a standard rant!
Yet again another one and a single ev is the equivalent of seventeen real engine car fires.
A fossil car burns every 3-5 minutts in the USA.
And a fossil car with big batteries, ARE a fossil car.
2 people dies from this every day.
The data from Norway, says that an EV burn 6-20 times less. Even with 26% of all cars on the road EV's, there hasn't been any deaths.
EV's are generally safer in crashes.
So, this most also be a part of the overall safety.
Last year with 1/4 of all cars EV's, there was 19 fires. For fossil cars 1700.
Norwegian loves EV's. And the best winter olympians in the world, comes from Norway. Norway are also the most democratic country 7 years in a row.
90% wants an EV.....
Yeah have an accident in an EV compared to normal cars. EV's suck !
Wait until we and cheap imports from China…
EVs are just too dangerous.
Why is he talking here? Real problem , Real concern.
The solution has been so clear for years. Ban electric cars period!!!!!