Why Tesla, GM And Other EV Companies Have A Fire Problem
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- Electric vehicles provide a path toward a greener future, but they can be especially dangerous when they catch fire. While car fires are nothing new and internal combustion engine car fires are also a problem, lithium-ion battery fires are extremely volatile and challenging to put out, and there are few resources out there to help firefighters. In addition, car makers like GM, Ford, Hyundai and Tesla have had to do costly recalls due to fire risk. CNBC explores how automakers and firefighters are going to deal with EV's fire problem.
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Why Tesla, GM And Other EV Companies Have A Fire Problem
Our neighbors were on vacation, left their EV in the attached garage. Fire ... burned it all to the ground, nice home, large, expensive. Experts proved that it was the EV.
damn
Don't worry. Its just an EV revolution.
I hope the home owner had home/fire insurance on the home.
@@shikharashish4839 Don't worry, you will never understand how any of this actually works.
@@bobby1970 Insurance is pretty standard on every home in pretty much every country.
After a hurricane in Florida, several Teslas caught fire due to corrosion caused by salt water. This would implicate northern climates where salt is used in road ice management.
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Wow
Which hurricane
Respect to firefighters. They may not know exactly what they're dealing with before they go to a fire, but they go anyway. Of the 218 that died in the 2020 Beirut explosion, 10 were firefighters that arrived at the warehouse that improperly stored 552 metric tonnes of ammonium nitrate, the same chemcial used in the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.
Yeah, that is why you check on what type of warehouse. Ammonium nitrate is the main ingredient in fertilizer and highly combustible.
Some say a foreign govt is responsible for setting off that inferno in Beirut. The same outfit that attacked the USS Liberty years ago and continues to attack its neighbors daily.
That thing was like a 4KT nuke equivalent. Most shocking explosion I ever saw.
One would have thought the 1947 Texas City explosion would have made ammonium nitrate handling and safety protocols of the utmost importance. Apparently not.
The humankind are pathetic! Rolled up steel or metal sheet, push and force the sheet under the burning car, or has some light forklifting while push the flat metallic sheet under the car. Then rolled out barrier of inflatable walls around the car but not too near it to get burnt, the walls only need to be tall enough to fill up waters to drown the car or submerged it, the base of these walls are either suction cup to the metallic sheet, to prevent leaking of water, spray fast drying concrete foams at the base and corner on the wall. Keep firehosing into the the swimming pool with the burning car inside. This method saves water and drown the burning car. I am baby chatting with you, because you are not worth it! Don’t ask me about other misc small details as how to deliver and prepaid materials to built the immediate swimming pool!
Lithium battery's are a huge problem. They have a problem called thermal runaway. I had 2 spontaneous combust in my warehouse and they were not being charged and were not fully charged. They have been keeping it quiet. The batteries also have had cell phones, laptops, tablets and RV's. Airliners have crashed from fires in flight.
The issue is that EV cars catch fire while NOT being driven. I don't
know of any ICE vehicle catching fire while being parked unless the
ignition was from an outside source. Electric vehicles can virtually
spontaneously combust while recharging. Lithium batteries have a
checkered history of spontaneously combustion.
Seeing as one needs a spark and the right mixture of o2 and fuel fumes, it's difficult
@@linusa2996 Not true. There are many compounds that do not require a "spark" in order to ignite. They only need a source of oxygen. Lithium is such a compound. An electric vehicle can be perfectly still and ignite because of oxygen intrusion. No "spark" required. The German fighter Me-163B, ran on a combination of two propellants: “T-Stoff”, highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide; and “C-Stoff”, a 30% mixture of Hydrazine Hydrate and Methanol. These propellants were hypergolic, meaning that when they came into contact with each other they immediately and violently exploded. No "spark" required. th-cam.com/video/xZbuuh1f2KM/w-d-xo.html
@@bert1450 I agree. any viable tech or invention does not need government subsidies or propaganda. Cars, cell phones and everything in between did not happen because of government involvement. If something is economically viable the public will support it with their wallets.
more kia and hyundai cars and suv have caught fire than all of the EVs combined. FACTS.
But when placed in vehicles they do have extra safety measures to prevent this. ICE vehicles are likely to catch fire while parked as well so don't just think it's EV's.
as a firefighter i must say, lithium batteries and oxygen dont mix.. well they do and it generates 1600 degrees. we do NOT use water on batteries at risk of explosion, we use afff foam substance that creates a barrier between oxygen and the exposed materials. this story is half true half bs and im gonna say an unpopular opinion, this is an attack by oil companies on ev production. they DO know the exact numbers because its reported to the national transportation board. i own ford rangers so im not an ev guy but support the idea of cars being ev with a solar panel roof to create longer distances.
“an attack by oil companies” he says. I don’t think do.
I know nothing about this, but arent EV fires handled like an electric/metallic fire?
An NMC lithium ion battery is self sustaining. It does not need external oxygen. A LiFePO4 battery does not catch fire and does not experience thermal run away.
Lithium batteries do not explode with water. There was a time in the RC community that LiPo batteries were put in a bucket of water at end of life to completely discharge them. Silly in hind sight but anyway the point is not explosive reactions.
@@RCdiy thats why i love this job, you learn every day lol
I took rusty lithium cells from old laptop battery and wanted so see if the cell has high resistance due to age. So I set multimeter to 10 amps and shorted the cell. My eyeballs popped. Even old, this little cell gives so much current. Now imagine all the cells in your When-Someone-Packs-A-Van-With-ANFO-He-Counts-As-A-Terrorist-But-When-We-Pack-A-Car-With-An-Incendiary-Bomb-We-Dont-Count-As-Terrorists-Tesla short at the same time in parallel. By the way, did you know the name of the Stanford University contains the word ANFO? StANFOrd.
As a Rural volunteer fire department. We are working on our own tactics. It is plain to see no one cares about how we are to fight these things. The attention on just getting them on the road is most important.
Wow. Thank you for your service
when you figure everything into the picture of EV's. it seems silly when the benefit for straight EV isnt really there.
Strike. Let them reflect on the 3rd degree burns.
Stop the global warming scam and outlaw lithium ion batteries.
I don't Like Electric Car's And You Do A Great Job Fighting Fires
If I remember correctly, the airlines have a prohibited transporting Li batteries in passenger aircraft due to fire possibilities.
GM’s response to house fires caused by their batteries catching fire was (wait for it. . . . ) charge you car outside, not in the garage. Brilliant 😵💫
You don’t remember correctly. Were you allowed to bring your phone with you? How about your laptop?
You’re not allowed to put lithium-ion batteries in the cargo area of an airplane. But then again you’re not allowed to put bottles of gasoline there either.
Wait for it, to automotive companies have recommended you not park your gasoline car in your garage because of spontaneous fires. Check on current recalls.
@@neilkurzman4907 LOL. Since when people are not allowed to park their gasoline or diesel cars in the garage because of fire risk. You’re just making things up. It’s a garage! It’s purpose is to store cars.
Outside... In the burning sun... Damn they are truly geniuses... I pray for the families. I don't like EVs at all
Remember Boeing's airliner fire? Chin-ese Lithium batteries were to blame.
Yes that seems inconvenient but to be fair do you think it would be wise to be storing and pouring 20 gallons of gasoline in your garage. GM did have a problem with the Bolt but I think they have resolved it. Tesla has had very little problems with fire and the vast majority of there cars have been safely charged in garages for a long time. There have been. CHICAGO (CBS) -- Millions of Kia and Hyundai vehicles were recalled Wednesday over concerns they could catch on fire while parked or while being driven.
Hyundai warned drivers to park their cars outside until they can get the necessary repairs. This problem as you can plainly see from the above press release is not necessary unique to every cars. Hyundai and Kia recall 3.4 million cars for this problem in 2009 -2010 model years. Their advice, park the car outside. Ironically ain’t it.
A lot of combustion engine vehicles catch fire each year. There is no denying it. My problem with Electric Vehicles is that there is very little chance to get out without at the very least burns. Imagine having a child in a car seat and your battery bursting into flames. It isn't just a small fire that grows. It is quite literally an instant inferno full of toxic fumes. If electric vehicles are the future then someone had better get a hold on this problem however infrequent it may be.
more kia and hyundai cars and suv have caught fire than all of the EVs combined. FACTS. go watch the videos here on youtube. thousands of people barely made it out of the cars before they went up in flames completely
If this problem isn't addressed, I will not only refuse to buy an EV, I will refuse to enter an EV taxi or have anything to do with EVs.
It goes up in flames 🔥 in Seconds NOT Minutes... plus all the Acid Splatters everywhere....
@@toromontana8290 Goggle, Electric vehicles and busses going up in flames 🔥 you would be surprised, and don't park them in your garage or close to the house...
@@dottiea.2186 what acid??? there is no acid in a lithium battery. still feel smart?
What needs to be investigated more is the possibility of crash fire. In many cases, traditional cars catch fire in the front, where you can notice quickly and get out, but EVs burn from below in a ferocious manner. You may not even realize that you have to get out ASAP. There had been numerous cases where the driver was burnt alive, which rarely happens with traditional vehicles.
Electric vehicle fires are gradual build up.. this burned alive without realizing it is so far fetched ….
@@kennsdlyalcima7848 one guy did burn alive but he had aftermarket unbreakable windows so the firefighters/whoever was trying to break his windows to get him out of the wreck he caused(drunk i think? memory so forgive mistakes) were unable to break the windows to rescue him. If he had stock windows they'd have been able to save him.
Combine this with many of these new EVs (and frankly new cars in general) coming with fancy electric door handles with weirdly hidden manual emergency releases _cough_ Tesla…
@@kennsdlyalcima7848 excuse me? gradual build up??? if you search ''Tesla parking garage fire'' on youtube you'll see in the first or second video that the Tesla literally burst into flames in the blink of an eye. Apart from some minor smoke, there was absolutely no warning before the whole thing turned into a gigantic blow torch. Imagine driving normally on the road with your kids strapped in, your baby locked in his special seat in the back. And your Tesla burst into flames in under 5 seconds when ur going 80 km/h, do you think you'll have time to realise it's happening, stop the car, get out, and unlocking your children from their seats when the car is already shooting flames? think not.
@@dennis_nl7587 yea gradual build up 🤣😂 you yourself just said aside from from smoke it was spontaneous… these packs are made of thousands of cells they don’t all go thermal together.. these issues typically start with 1 single or maybe hand full.. and has a dominoes effect.. your watching videos people put up when things have already gone haywire… And if your driving Tesla battery packs are equipped with temperature emergency warning/shutdown … if it’s about to happen while your driving you will know and have plenty of time because the safety system that observes temperature activates well below the thermal runaway temperature of the battery cells… theres like 100 temperature sensors throughout a Tesla battery pack.. these cell don’t go from working to spontaneously catching fire… they catch fire from getting to hot..before you would even see the smoke your taking about the car safety system would be been triggered
Another concerning aspect is the ageing of these vehicles. Rust / corrosion is a major problem here in the UK and is only made worse from the salting of the roads during the Winter months. The batteries are underside so we can only expect rust eventually getting into the battery casings and potentially causing corrosion of these Lithium packs in say for example 10+ years time.
Norway has 80 % ev adoption.. surely they know what they are doing
@@irusev Imho, they have not a clue. Insanity rules over common sense.
@@denisek292 well, they sure seem pretty happy to me
This whole video is full of factual omissions, firstly alot of batteries can't be put out with water, once the battery catches fire the chemicals in the battery produce more oxigen which fuels the fire. An experiment was done where they punctured the battery of an EV and put the car in a hole in the ground and filled it with dirt and water... this method would put out most fires but the ev continued to burn for several hours.
@@irusev still ''new'' will see in 10-15 years
Luton car park in the UK, recently burnt down. The media were very quick to blame a diesel car, which was not the opinion of many experts. If they hadn't, think of the consequences, no EVs in public car parks, no EVs on ferries or the Channel tunnel. No car insurer would touch them.
I believe this will happen as EV's are banned in some underground car parks in Europe
People in the comments clearly just read the title and didn't watch the whole video 😂
I know right, it’s kind of annoying. I don’t get what they’re freaking out about
It's concerning
When they use a misleading title, it's called "click bait".
The title is part of the content.
I thought you were exaggerating, but more than half really didn't watch until the end. Such brigading mentality...
I love how everyone who is an EV fan is losing their mind with this story. The story talks about the fire being different then fuel such as hotter, toxic, can restart again after. Can catch while charging etc. Never has this article stated less safe or more dangerous but different technology. That's it get your head straight. Nothing is wrong with this story at all. Doesn't bash EV's or ICE just talking about the differences and challenges. That's it.
people are gonna just read the title and run with it to fuel anti EV bs, CNBS needs to be more responsible with their choice of words
@@daniebello It's to get people to watch it. If it bleeds it leads. The story itself is fine it is people taking out of it what they want but not what actually is said. You yourself had a preconceived notion because you called the CNBS and didn't like the title. If you are an educated person you get all the facts vs just being a headline chaser. Story brought out true facts and true concerns regarding EV's and as a consumer of EV's you should want these issues addressed both for your safety and the success of EV's. You fight everything instead of fixing issues then you will never have anyone on your side other then the extremists.
so you are anti-EV. got it.
jk jk
@@hangender Your bent. Love the new ID Buzz. Love the new Hummer. Just don't have my head in the sand and know there are issues to address. Your just blindly following no matter what the problems are. That is why people push back instead of embracing them because if extremist freaks.
I think you are correct. I am an EV fan and I believe fires are a risk to their adoption. The thing that people are probably worried about is that people will think EV fires are common and it is important that people realize that EV fires are much rarer than gasoline fires.
I noticed that they didn't mention how many of the car fires per year were EV's. WHen they had a second chance to make that point, they went the way of comparing ICE fires to all fires.
You're spot on Kay. Many ICE car fires are the result of arson, insurance scams or simply being parked and having another vehicle crash into them. In other words a fire due to a source from outside the vehicle. EV can ignite from within without warning.
Can't be compared without replacing all ICE
the fire is like many torches not the same as a gas car.
The NTSB could tell you. They recorded around 190'000 ICE car fires in the US during 2022. There were 4200 EV fires recorded over the same period.....
There is no comparison an EV fire is 10 times worse!!
I don’t know how someone would sleep at night having one of these cars in their garage, let alone plugged overnight. You can literally burn down your house to ashes. Even crazy to hear firefighters can’t even get to the batteries to put out the fire.
And it can spread to neighboring houses .. It is not good
Internal combustion engines catch fire spontaneously too, but nobody would read an article about that -- too boring.
As a firefighter for 7 years how can you sleep at night in your own home with electricity running through a 24/7 and most likely gas pipes. Also petrol vehicles are a lot more dangerous then EV'S. What I'm saying is it's the media doing what media does best.
Gas xplosions are much better .. 🎉
The same way you sleep with your laptop, phone even modems have lithium backups in them
I was planning my next car to be an EV. But all these fires lately are definitely making me rethink. EVs still need major improvements in the safety area.
But at the end of the day, it's been proven that ICE vehicles still have a higher chance of catching fire because the gasoline is more flammable and more exposed. Rethink your decision.
You should stick with your plan to buy an EV. According The National Highway Traffic Administration, on a per mile driven basis you are much, much more likely to suffer injury or death by fire driving a gasoline powered car than by driving an EV. This CNBC video is misleading click-bait. The title should be "How EVs are Solving the Fire Problem Caused by Internal Combustion Engines". But then the entire segment would end up being ridiculously short as the narrator simply points to the fact that according to NHTSA data gasoline cars are 10x more likely than EVs to catch fire and, unlike gasoline cars that carry around a tank full of highly explosive gasoline vapor, EVs virtually never explode.
Don't worry, when you fill your car up with petrol you can be safe in the knowledge that of static ignights the fumes, you'll go up in flames. If you have diesel, well a little bit lucky, but they can explode too. Just be glad you don't need hydrogen...
@@wardfiction5693 Neither petrol nor diesel can explode without being mixed with an oxidant. Both, without an oxidant, will extinguish a spark. It is, in fact, very difficult to ignite diesel in open air if it is cold.
With regard to your "from what I've heard" comment, it is not a matter of opinion, but rather a matter of fact based upon National Highway Traffic Safety Administration data that EVs are 10x less likely to catch fire than gasoline cars. And for Tesla owners the data is even compelling: "From 2012 - 2021, there has been approximately one Tesla vehicle fire for every 210 million miles traveled. By comparison, data from the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) and U.S. Department of Transportation shows that in the United States there is a vehicle fire for every 19 million miles traveled." It is also a matter of fact, not opinion but fact, that gasoline vapor is explosive while EV batteries, though they can burn at extremely high temperatures, are not. Further, it was only one specific model of EV, the Chevy Bolt, that was at risk of spontaneous combustion and therefore unsafe to park in the garage. The Chevy Bolt was originally equipped with SK batteries that had a design defect that could cause them to catch fire. But all of those old Chevy Bolts are now having their SK batteries replaced and, again, no other model of EV ever had that problem. Meanwhile, it is a myth that gasoline cars can't catch fire unless they are being driven. As with EVs spontaneous gasoline car fires are rare, but gasoline cars absolutely can and sometimes do catch fire when they are turned off and parked in the garage. The usual mechanism is a wiring defect precipitating an electrical short that ignites vapor from a leaky fuel line. In fact, 483,000 cars from the Kia/Hyundai group were just recalled earlier this year to correct a defect that could cause that very problem and there is currently NHTSA safety alert telling Kia/Hyundai owners that their cars are at risk of spontaneously catching fire.
As they said, these types of fires are very rare.
You're more likely to get in an accident than having the vehicle just burst into flames.
Of course, the media likes to make it seem like this is a daily occurance.
Agreed thanks for sensationalizing the problem CNBC…
there are more than 900k vehicle fires in America each year, most are ICEV.
I hope you like "radiation poisoning" if you drive an electric car
@@TheIncomparableGolfer You know your body is emitting electromagnetic radiation, right? By your logic, you are a danger to everyone around you.
@@macemoneta exactly.. so adding more radiation is not smart
The Car Park in England that had a fire, with a collapse, and loss of about a thousand cars. The vehicle that started it was a Range Rover Hybrid. Video showed flames under the vehicle from the 'left side' of the vehicle.. in other words, the passenger side. Looking at diagrams of the vehicle, that hybrid has all its batteries under the passenger compartment on that side. Attempts were made to put the fire out, but full fire extinguishers couldn't touch it. All the cars in that car park were lost due to the fire in one hybrid. Ooops.
Hybrid cars are a worse fire risk when parked than ICE or EV
Hybrid cars still have batteries which can burn extra hot
An all electric future looks more deadly than it initially didn't. Imagine a large lot full of these cars. What would that do to the environment if one caught fire and eventually the whole lot? Would it even be able to be contained and once its over, would there even be any ground left beneath the vehicles?
They might burn a hole down to the center of the Earth and release b gates father from Hades itself.
There isn't going to be an all electric future, at least not anytime soon.
@Giuliano Matrix actually, he was dead serious.
Another big environmental impact of electrification is the scale of "clean energy" sprawl that's still dependent on fossil fuels. I can't feel green while driving through industrial landscapes full of wind turbines and solar lakes. They are dealing a major aesthetic blow to mountaintops and rural ambience.
@@falseprogress We are already at a risk of rolling blackouts. They are insane. Even though the gas engines are less efficient, the US uses 369 million gallons a day. At 46MJ per kilo (a gallon of gas is like 3 kilos or 6 pounds), that's A LOT of energy to replace and get from somewhere else.
Without oil, companies will struggle to even make the cars - oil doesn’t just represent the fuel, not by a long way.
Yes, it is not a sudden transition to electrify but you have to start somewhere.
Interesting! Never seen CNBC discussed fire problem in ICE cars! Which is much more serious than Tesla!
Of course it is understandable as everyone knows from where major advertising revenue comes from!
ICE cars tend to set flame after a crash. EVs have the nasty habit of flaming out while being charged. And that’s a big difference
@@MrJimheeren nope, ICE cars can catch fire from any number of reasons, last month i saw a car burn because its radiator was blocked by snow. Nearly all tesla fires are caused by collisions, on some rare occasions the wires in the house are too thin to supply constant power and catch fire.
@@odisy64 at least ice car fires are easy to put out, and yes i know they happen more but many times they are mild and are resolved with a fire extinguisher, my dad had a truck whose starter motor turned on and he was able to put out the fire quick and easy and two days later It was running again, but imagine an electric car on fire inside a garage and having to wait for the firefighters to come with more than 20,000 gallons of water, that's what nobody compares to cars ICE and the EV
@@dawrincueto6962 according to firefighter reports, it only takes about 2 minuets to put out an EV fire but they will continue to douse the battery to prevent heat from re igniting the battery but this is often exaggerated by the media that makes it sound like 20,000 gallons where needed to put out the flames, this happens with engine blocks as well, people will use a fire extinguisher on a hot engine block that just got shove into fuel lines only to have the heat re-ignite the fuel as soon as oxygen was present.
@@odisy64 what firefighter report? It does take an average of 20K gallons of water. Very important in drought times for California. The place that has brown outs and power shortages. Garages have a one our firewall and ICE engine can be extinguished in that time. EV will loose the house unless the car can be pulled out.
It's not a mystery. Anytime you store energy in quantity, the potential exists for that energy to be catastrophically released. One huge disadvantage of LiO batteries over gasoline is that a LiO battery fire contains oxidizers, and is therefore extraordinarily persistent and difficult to extinguish compared to a petroleum fuel fire.
The other major differences are is that BEV fires are far less likely to occur than ICE fires and there is far more energy stores in a tank of gas.
DO not park your EV in a garage.
There is no risk carrying 25 gallons of fuel crashing and skidding down a highway. So says Exon.
Half of the comments below are people who feel they need to remind you that gas cars can catch fire, too
Because they burn at a 10-50x rate. And yet they decided not to make that the video topic
Well see CNBSisn’t telling a new story. It’s a propagandist station at this point supported by either gasoline car advertisement
There are a lot more gasoline cars out there than EVs. At this rate, If it were 50/50 there would be a heck of a lot more EV fires than gas.
As they should.
@@LordSamuelJ False. The rate is per 100,000 cars.
"Fully electric vehicles, on the other hand, were deemed far safer than both hybirds and gas cars; they are far less likely to catch fire, with just 25.1 fires per 100,000 sales. That's compared to 3,474 hybrid fires and 1,529 ICE fires per 100,000 sales respectively."
So, the rate of fires is 25 fires per 100,000 electric cars, but 1529 per 100,000 gasoline cars. It doesn't matter how you scale that up. Million EV's would cause 250 fires while a million combustion engine cars would have 15290 fires.
more kia and hyundai cars and suv have caught fire than all of the EVs combined. FACTS.
All of the EV bashers on here don't want to be confused with facts. Their mind is already made up. They've been listening to the propaganda.
Towing companies are refusing to tow these fire bombs
Kia’s and Hyundais love to catch fire, whether they’re ICE or EV 🤣🤣
Don't say Scotty Kilmer didn't warn you
@@thekenthouse6428 but he agrees
more kia and hyundai cars and suv have caught fire than all of the EVs combined. FACTS.
I have a 6 cylinder hyundai. Those are not on the recall list. It applies to the 4 cylinder ones. 6 cylinder engine also gets way better mileage. Doesn't rev as high.
We need a "Why Internal Combustion Engine Vehicles Have A Fire Problem" video!
ICEs don't catch fire while parked
173000 ICE vehicle fires a year. Absolutely unacceptable. Oh ya there’s a massive tank full of accelerant under the seats. So bad they have to have a “fire wall” built between the engine and the cabin.
@@IllusiveDude Sure they do! I've seen it happen in person.
@@benjaminnead8557 mhm "in person" lol
@@benjaminnead8557 That was probably a peaceful protest
I'm watching this video and the first comercial that comes up is for an electric car, priceless
Water is not the best fire extinguisher for lithium batteries.
Lithium reacts intensely with water, forming lithium hydroxide and highly flammable hydrogen.
Car manufacturers are racing to develop the next models while not being forced by regulators to encapsulate proper fire neutralizers into the battery's pack. It should be mandatory that lithium battery manufacturers wrap their batteries with chemicals to neutralize the chemical reaction such as powder graphite or sodium carbonate.
My brother drove a gasoline VW van that burned to the ground. If you look at the number of fires per number of type of vehicle, EVs catch on fire much less often. And with battery chemistries like Lithium-Iron-Phosphate, the chance of fire is *much* reduced.
Correct as there is no thermal runaway issue with LFP batteries.
CNBC is constantly behind the curve in reporting in the EV space.
EV fire numbers will only increase as more vehicles are added
@@TheIncomparableGolfer True. However, the percentage of EVs that catch on fire is much lower than ICE cars. It's new and unusual, so it gets more reported. ("Man bites dog.")
Remember the Ford pickup trucks that spontaneously caught on fire because of faulty cruise control design?
@@TheIncomparableGolfer *Percentage* %
Cool, what is the source for your statement that the number of fires are lower per capita for EVs? Would like to refer to that should I ever consider an EV for purchase.
Interesting, but what I want to know is what are the fire rates per 100,000 cars for EV *and* ICE vehicles? Does one catch fire more than the other, on a per capita basis?
Too little data to comment right now and I totally see your point that EVs are far safer than ICE engine cars.The idea behind this was not to discourage EVs but rather ensure that other things change with EVs to cope up with the tech shift.We need better roads( I am coming from a developing nation,so you might have different standards for a good road),we need better equipped emergency services to handle hazards and people need to learn to use their stuff properly.I mean,ICE engine cars have been out there for decades,they are time tested,and most their issues resolved,they are more or less built to handle rough use n abuse but compared to that EVs are still in their infancy so we just need to fund emergency services enough to keep up the pace and keep everyone safe.
@@ankur1610 Actually, at no time did I say or imply that EVs are safer than ICE vehicles. EVs can be dangerous, that's been well-established. The question is, are they more or less dangerous than ICE vehicles on a per capita basis?
But your point is well-taken that we may not have enough data yet to make that determination. Modern EV technology with lithium batteries is, after all, relatively new.
Yeah, totally agree with you.
The whole point is that EVs arent as perfect as people think they are.
There is simply not enough data to draw any meaningful conclusions here:
- While most EVs are fairly new, there are millions of 10, 15 or 20+ year old ICE cars on the road and a most of them experienced a lot of wear and tear that could eventually lead to fires or increase the risk thereof.
- There are far more ICE cars than there are EVs, meaning that the number of potential scenarios that could cause fires is greatly reduced for EVs.
- There are fewer different EV models and most of them are "premium cars" (or at least more expensive than comparable ICE cars), so we don't have a large enough sample size of different engineering approaches and don't know how large scale, optimized (=cheaper) production affects fire risk.
- While ICEs and their fuel management generally don't change much, the (battery) technology in EVs is rapidly evolving: different chemicals used, higher energy density, changing manufacturing practices, faster ways of charging and so on can greatly affect fire risk.
If you combine all of those factors, it gets impossible to assess the risk properly and answer your question. All we know at the moment is, that once EVs start burning for whatever reason, the fire is way more dangerous and harder to put out than it is with bruning ICE cars.
Also: since you can't see into the battery cells or the package as a whole, the assessment of the health of your battery entirely depends on sensor readings and an "educated guess". With an ICE car, you can see most parts that pose a fire risk like the gas tank, fuel lines and connections, so (mandatory) regular safety inspections can better help in reducing the risk.
I think electric vehicles should be required to have mechanical manual windows and doors to prevent people from getting trapped inside in the event of a fire. There is a recent story in the news of a man having to kick out the car windshield to escape a fire when the cars electric windows and doors failed to work during a fire. The new Tesla Cyber truck has glass that's near impossible to break in an emergency and should have a way for people to escape.
It is mandatory for ALL cars to have this feature. Windows etc are also electrically driven in ICE cars.
Modern solution always come with modern problem I guess.
correct, what you're seeing playing out is the Law created by Nature/God/The Universe (pick whichever form of "causation" you like) referred to as "No Free Lunch". #NOFREELUNCH this is also sometimes referred to as the Law of "Unintended Consequences". #UNINTENDEDCONSEQUENCES they're both the same. unfortunately very few people working outside the STEM fields are aware of this. hell, a great many people working INSIDE the STEM fields are aware of this.
I’ll note that the information I’ve found indicates that the Bolt and Kona fires seemed to be caused by an unfortunate cell feature where the anode had a bent sharp edge placed too close to the separator. Dendrites can eventually form off the edge and pierce the separator causing a short. The defect appears to be due to a poorly-chosen production shortcut where the serpentine folding was cut in the middle of a fold rather than on a flat region. As such the fires are not entirely random but due to a stupid mistake.
Yes I would have to say that NOTHING YOU HAVE SAID MAKES ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@jimmygrant424 , it probably would if he could upload a 3D diagram(s) of what he is attempting to describe verbally.
@@jimmygrant424 Lithium Ion batteries have Anodes and Cathodes. It makes perfect sense for those that actually understand how Lithium Ion batteries work.
And it will not change. These companies thrive off the lowest bidder, cheapest parts and the components are built by humans.
All electric car would be limited to a max speed of 60kph, no highway for them!
No one can put out a lithium battery fire with water or chemicals. The battery fire only goes out when the battery is fully consumed.
As an automotive engineer, I stick to the facts: 0.08% of normal cars catch fire, 0.01% of electric cars catch fire. In Germany official figures shows that in average there are 40 ICE cars that catch fire every day, nobody is speaking about that, because this seems normal. The evidence has come out of the ship that caught fire in the Netherlands. The 500 EVs came off the ship undamaged and the cause has now been determined: an ordinary ICE vehicle. A new campaign is being conducted against EVs, now a new means to empty the state coffers has been found, namely synthetic fuels. Asking price 2630 Euro / liter or 9985 Dollar / US gallon). People will pay a slightly higher price than normal at the pump, the rest will be made up (stolen) by the state to supposedly save the climate and never before have the petroleum companies earned so much money with which they can pay corrupt politicians and media to promote this . That is the truth.
A better use of CNBC’s time would be to cover the overwhelming number of vehicle fires that happen with internal combustion engines.
The whole point of this is that EVs arent as perfect as people think they are.
ICE fires are easier to extinguish.
@@DonJulio510 and yet, statistically, they catch fire less than their internal combustion engine counterparts. Of those 173k fires last year, how many were EV fires?
If you watch the whole video they compare ev fires with ice fire and show the greater challenges specific to ev fires
A better strategy for you is to watch the video before commenting.. Have a nice day.
The issue is that EV cars can catch fire while NOT being driven. 06:31 I don't know of any ICE vehicle catching fire while being parked unless the ignition was from an outside source. Electric vehicles can virtually
spontaneously combust while recharging and lithium burns at a much higher temperature than gasoline. The fire chief in this video said it took 2 hours to put out one EV fire. Imagine a large parking lot filled with EV's not to mention the danger of re-charging at home overnight while everyone is asleep. Lithium batteries have a checkered history of spontaneous combustion. These batteries need to be made safer.
Under these circumstances, they're completely unsuitable for any home with a garage. I wouldn't park an EV in my garage.
You better hope you are not in it when it catches fire because your doors won't unlock and you will be trapped unless you are strong enough to kick the window out.😶
1 - Kia and Hyundai vehicles have several recalls due to engine failures and fire risks (somewhat related). Some of the reported instances of fires have been while the vehicles were parked. My wife's Mercedes ML320 caught fire in the parking lot in front of her job. In the case of my wife's SUV, I believe the issue started while she was driving to work and it smoldered for a few minutes before bursting into flames.
2 - All Tesla vehicles and other luxury vehicles with electric door popper mechanisms (from the factory) also have a manual, mechanical emergency release easily accessible by the person sitting inside the vehicle. Also, the electric door poppers are typically powered by the vehicles' conventional 12v battery, not the high-voltage traction battery (often in the neighborhood of 400v).
Regardless of whether you drive a gasoline, diesel, LPG/LNG, hydrogen, or battery electric vehicle, it isn't a bad idea to have a vehicle entrapment escape tool mounted within easy reach of the driver. These tools typically have a recessed blade to cut seatbelts and a sharp point (sometimes spring-loaded) to break glass. I got one for my wife that's a 2-in-1 cellphone charger and glass-break tool.
Well, an ICE car can catch on fire while parked if flammable power steering or brake fluid touches hot exhaust components. It happened to a friend of mine. Thankfully the car was parked on the driveway.
@@kathrynjanzen5618 That's why I bought a window breaker tool.
I work with electricity and have seen batteries catch on fire and blow up. Small batteries, I must say, nothing overly dramatic. Yet, it was always because the contacts got shorted or they overheated. My understanding is that what people call 'the battery' is actually an array of several batteries. I do not see how the array could not deform and short the terminals with the major momentum of the impact during an accident. Then what? We had a triple roll over that totaled our vehicle. The impact blew all four tires. We landed on the side of the road. There was ice everywhere, had we landed on the road, we would have been hit by other vehicles.
I can't see how severe deformations resulting from an accident would not short contacts and start a fire. Maybe a couple cells, then others. So I am not touching one of this things.
"Extremely challenging to put out"?
That's an understatement. Some in the industry say they are impossible to put out when they reach a certain stage.
Why not include information as to how rare Battery fires are
Uh, we don't have those figures yet
Please change title to Why EVs have less of a fire problem than ICE vehicles.
Go watch firefighters taking out fire of ICE vehicle then fire with EV vehicle
Im surprised the oil companies haven't shut down ev cars yet
From 2012 - 2020, there has been approximately one Tesla vehicle fire for every 205 million miles traveled. By comparison, data from the National
Fire Protection Association (NFPA) and U.S. Department of Transportation shows that in the United States there is a vehicle fire for every 19 million miles traveled.
So Does that DATA analysis mean the long distant driving by EV cars prone to be much stabilized than fossil oil cars???
I don't think so Vise versa I would say.
Should have a radiothermo check the heat on each car after having the same long run in the same period of time.
A simple mobile phone is non stopping using for 4 hours, the mobile heat is very high and even stun the mobile electro function.
In the same way the EV car might have the similar cumulative heat after long hours of driving compared with the conventional fossil oil driven car.
Well, it is really hard to define whether EV lithium battery is much stable than fossil oil. From the example of the current luxurious cars on the burning cargo vessel. This is a very interesting case to study the fire cause.
Again battery???
Why not ban cars entirely and make city's more sustainable and profitable by making them more dense and walkable it will reduce obesity and and other health issues and also battery cars are not good either they use tires and building them requires rare earth metals which causes pollution battery cars explode mixed housing is better
You can’t compare that data. Huge variance in the number of EV cars and gasoline powered vehicles. So of course there will be less fires per miles driven in this case.
@@Wickedpissah138 It’s “per miles driven” so the data is relevant
Well, the difference is complicated. The data should be broken down by manufacturer and by years since manufacture.
Fuel powered cars probably experience various mortality spikes from birth to death, depending on design flaws and maintenance errors.
Grid powered cars probably have an infant mortality spike do to a manufacturing defect, followed by low probability of immolation that rises as the car ages.
As an owner of an Eevee (gotta catch em all) I have no fear whatsoever about my car catching on fire.
I got to experience a car fire with my gas car which I replaced with an EV! IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S TURN NOW (double Jeopardy does not happen right?)
Wrong...........such poor thinking!
Q: double Jeopardy does not happen right? A: correct from a standpoint of ODDS/PROBABILITY you're probably good. th-cam.com/video/JcZHSGyos6g/w-d-xo.html
I only feel no guilt about watching someone burn when it comes to the one who places their modern techno ego above the wrath of fire. People who act like it will never be them some how bring their downfall in life.
Correct sir!
This article is a year old & a year later nothing has been done globally towards safety in concern with EV fires ! What a joke !
Li-ion car battery fire are far more frequent than the speaker stated. That's why we see so many videos on TH-cam.
Any car is dangerous when it catches fire.
Said Tesla owner 🤣
here it is diferent, the lithium fire feed itself so you cannot put it out with water or foam.
So if you have an electrique car fire into a garage, it has far higher risk to tale your house (fire fighter will not be able to stop this fire)
@@anteeko not true, they just have to stick around longer. they put the fire out, drag the vehicle out of the garage so if it reignites it’s not a threat to the property. then they just have to keep an eye in it to ensure it doesn’t reignite and be there to put it out if it does. eventually the cascading ignition will stop
Electric car fires are worse
@@JonathanMoosey electric cars burn hotter and slower, if it catches fire you have a decent chance to escape. if your gas tank catches fire, car goes kaboom, you’re dead instantly
Nice hit piece on EVs. I mean nothing gives me a bigger sense of security knowing I’m driving around on 18 gallons of fire resistant gasoline.
Fuel isn’t flammable in liquid form. It’s only the vapour that is flammable. Batteries on the other hand do not like to be crushed, they react violently to that. What could go wrong putting massive batteries on the underside of cars moving at 60mph. Battery fires take a lot more water to put out and repeatedly reignite after being put out. Call this revenge of the Ford Pinto.
The accidents about EV fires have to be reported. GM and Hyundai have massive recalls of their EV's from EV fires to the tunes of $Billions, and GM hardly sell any EV since the last year. These are important matters. Please open your eyes and see the truth.
This is an “unintended consequence” that is going to need some serious consideration!!!!
I’m surprised fire departments aren’t using foam extinguishers 😮
Alternative is riding in a metal box filled with gasoline. Hmmmm
Or Bullock cart.
One thing I don't understand is that how pouring water on Lithium is a good idea to begin with?
you start by putting out the fire, with foam for example, but the next step is to cool down the battery to prevent it to reignite. And that cooling down works best with water.
So many explanation of EV fire ,but the fire department doesn’t know how to extinguish it
Battery fires in ev's are very difficult to stop due to the chemical nature of the event. No commercial or domestic building fire codes, that I know of, address this new risk. Imagine a older style central city multi storey car park having an ev fire event. Imagine a similar event in an underground car park in a multistorey apartment block or commercial shopping mall. These fires are low risk, high consequence events. We must design to minimise the risk but above all we must immediately assess existing structures to minimise the consequences when an ev fire occurs.
The previous V.W. like the bug had magnesium engine cases. When they burned it went into the ground...
We fought a fire on a Honda CRX that had the magnesium rotary engine. We eventually sprayed enough shell foam to smother it so that it would not burn any more asphalt shoulder than it already had.. We had to have an all night fire watch. The next morning a rollback picked up what was left of the car. It had to be hauled to a dirt yard and stored separately. Later that day we got a call from the yard. Two idiots were throwing rocks at the foam shell and it broke away and ignited. Either a spark or stored heat we went on scene and watched it burn for two hours. There was barely anything left of the car.
Researches have demonstrated that growing "dendrites" inside a battery cell can short-circuit or otherwise damage the cell. During charging dendrites are growing from every lithium suface to the counter electrode - this is a behaviour which can't be prevented in any way.
Why not ban cars entirely and make city's more sustainable and profitable by making them more dense and walkable it will reduce obesity and and other health issues and also battery cars are not good either they use tires and building them requires rare earth metals which causes pollution battery cars explode mixed housing is better
It cannot be solved in that particular battery chemistry and form factor. It does not mean it is not a problem that new technology is capable of resolving. IE BYD's LFP Blade batteries cannot catch fire at all. Even if you drive a spike through them. And they are cranking out a million+ of those cars in China now and will be exporting them to all major markets in the next two years.
Use lead.
Except of course, your claim that this "can't be prevented in any way" is categorically false. There are multiple ways this can be addressed:
" A team at the University of Michigan designed a barrier that suppresses dendrite growth not just by physically blocking them, but also by altering the conditions around dendrite tips where growth is concentrated.
The material is a soft polymer film that is polarized and piezoelectric-meaning it generates a voltage when the film is deformed. The film sits on top of the battery’s anode. And when a lithium dendrite presses on the film, the voltage repels more lithium ions from piling up at that spot. This prevents the lithium from forming sharp tips that can penetrate the barrier. "
"At the Toyota Research Institute of North America, researchers recently demonstrated a battery with a lithium metal anode, solid lithium thiophosphate electrolyte, and sulfur cathode. Sulfur is another high-storage-capacity electrode material and-bonus-it’s cheap. As for the battery’s ability to resist dendrites, the Toyota researchers noted a relationship between dendrite growth and the electrolyte’s ability to conduct ions."
"For example, as a battery charges, lithium ions can deposit irregularly on the anode, forming spiky structures called dendrites that can grow long enough to reach the other electrode and short-circuit the battery, potentially causing a fire. This is a bigger problem for lithium metal than for other anode materials like graphite."
You DO know that most Lithium Ion batteries in cars have Graphite Anode's right?
@@davefroman4700 It actually CAN be solved. Several labs have already found solutions to it.
They are playing the fire problem down. They must be being paid by the motor company. They are dangerous, and I would not trust putting my family in one of these death traps. With electric coach fires is especially dangerous, it is unlikely that all the occupants would escape before they are turned into a black block of carbon.
When not running, EVs can provide for an on-site barbecue area ideal for parties, events, and happenings.
This is real recycling.
Brought to you by BP oil...
There needs an emergency port to fill on the battery pack for fires. Something that pops open during fire.
simple!
there's literally already foams and other ways to fight fires... They are just dumb, cheap and lazy...
@@biglonie issue is its sealed in a metal bomb casing.....
@@GardensoftheAncientsHerbal And - Manufactures could install a Fire Protection System - Like Aircraft do: Both ICE & BEV, could do so!
AS IF FOSSIL CARS NEVER CATCH FIRE 🔥 !!! ...oh those fuel fires are so common it never reported or make the evening news.
Given the extreme fire hazard I would deny insurance to all EV owners, car and property. They are highly susceptible to spontaneous combustion. Some Fire Depts. recommend parking 50 feet from any other vehicle and structure.
Ford just recalled 39,000 Navigators and Expeditions (gas cars) for catching fire for no reason. EV's are SIXTY times less likely to catch fire per 100,000 vehicles.
You are not a mechanic or an engineer, go back to sleep
@@treyquanmooney6655 😂😂
You mean GM…
In Europe , even houses caught fire when electric bycicles caught fire in the garage when reloading and people were not at home, the house was completely destroyed ... EV will be banned from underground parking lots if it turns out that these vehicles are very dangerous to catch fire and are almost not to be extinguished ... unless put into a water container for a day or more ...
GM and Hyundai/Kia recalled/replaced the faulty batteries in early (2019-2021) Chevy Bolts, e-Niro, and Kona EVs. LG Chem took a big hit: it won't make that mistake again. But sure, it was an horrendous mistake and fires will remain extremely rare, if spectacular and thus click-worthy. Then there are new battery chemistries that will address this issue. But high quality li-ion batteries are very safe, with rare exceptions. So good job CNBC editor with the title of this video. Lots of clicks and comments, I'm sure.
Here come the Tesla zombies coming to mass dislike the video and brigade the comments. These Tesla stans need to understand that, yes, gas vehicles do catch on fire, but EV fires are FAR more dangerous when they happen. And evs can catch on fire because of random electrical failures in the battery, so they can just blow up while parked/charging
Their Tesla stock is plummeting and they're desperate.
@@strikye7 The problem is inherent in the structure of a chemical battery. They store energy by holding the fuel and the oxidizer in intimate physical proximity. Less like gasoline and more like dynamite.
yes, when they happen, they are more difficult to put out. But you missed the point that these acidents happen a lot less than with an internal combustion engine car.
@@joeking433 yep, desperately buying the dip! 😘👍
@@gregorymalchuk272 I agree, I can't wait for solid state batteries to be mainstream.
🔥Ok..
But:
..study conducted by AutoInsuranceEZ using data from the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) showed that electric cars in the US caught fire at a rate of 25.1 per 100,000 sales compared to 1,530 for ICE vehicles
? --> 1,530 vs 25.1 electric cars 🤯
EV fires, were mostly Chevy Bolts, but GM is fixing that
A fire extinguisher is of absolutely no use in the case of a lithium battery fire but there is a good chance of putting out a fire with a fire extinguisher on a conventional powered vehicle but absolutely no chance in putting out a fire in a lithium battery with ANYTHING!
I never charge a lithium unattended, NEVER. Lithium-ion battery chemistry is susceptible to thermal runaway, they are extremely difficult to extinguish. In the case of large batteries for EV, it only takes a single cell to malfunction and start the chain reaction. I nearly lost everything when a small 6 cell lithium malfunctioned while charging and started hissing and spitting fire. Fortunately, I was present and threw it out into the gravel driveway before the whole battery burst into flames, melted the little scooter to ashes.
My Jeep WJ has this neat feature that when someone rear ends you it bursts into flames. There is a recall for this and the "fix" was to add a tow hitch receiver.
😂
Remembers me of the infamous Ford Pinto...
Really?!
The insurance guy said "The data that we've looked at so far doesn't indicate that there is an outsized risk of non-crash fire"
That for what I can understand it means "doesn't occur very often" or i guess it is not increasing and getting out of hand...
This article is really close to scaremongering
Chrysler recalled 8 million cars ice in 2018 GM 9 millions in 2014, it still happen on ice car...
Close to?
The issue is those cars were faulty and recalled. These are issues with EVs functioning as they should until a minor crash with a barrier, etc. EV market share is minimal, yet they are over represented with fires recently - obviously from a numbers perspective there are so many ICE vehicles out there that they make up most fires. We only can fairly tell when EVs are as popular as ICE cars but that is when it’s too late. I love the idea of EVs but this worries me - looking forward to blade battery tech.
@@User-cb4jm the risk of fire is estimated to be around 10 and 60 times lower, I remember you that there are out there at least 2 million Tesla and another 2 million other cars, so the number compared are still low but statistically significant, so if statistics are off and they are an order of magnitude higher EV goes on par or it will be 6 times better than ICE.
I give you a personal anecdote, I had a second hand car, a petrol one, I drove really slow on a wet side road, the wheel slipped and the car went down the ditch, I pulled it out and everything seemed ok not even a scratch, two days later I realized that the radiator was damaged, by the car steaming everywhere while I was driving, just a small nick and I throw out a petrol car, so bad days happen for everyone!
Why not ban cars entirely and make city's more sustainable and profitable by making them more dense and walkable it will reduce obesity and and other health issues and also battery cars are not good either they use tires and building them requires rare earth metals which causes pollution battery cars explode mixed housing is better
@@ujjalshill6442 one step at a time, not everyone likes really drastic changes
6 Buses have since gone up in Potters Bar in May when one blew up whilst charging and Transport for London pulled the other 108 ones from operation as a precaution. Looks like minimum distances or even firewalls need to be maintained between these buses as they do seem to go in batches if parked close.
Busses are back in service and it appears, or the rumor has it that some engineer connected the cooling system the wrong way and caused the battery pack to overheat. Other rumor is that they used the wrong type of charging cable and it overheated causing the fire. More diesel busses catches fire then electric. At potters bar, only one electric bus caught fire, while the remaining 4 diesels blew the rest up easily.
@@addylayta9691 Such a believable story. True enough, diesel engined vehicles are exploding every day, it's just a conspiracy by Big Oil that does a cover up.
I checked the call-out logs online for the Fire Service in that area. There is no mention of 6 electric buses catching fire....I think you're telling porkies.....
@@Brian-om2hh It seems clear as far as we can ascertain an EV charging problem kicked off the event and the other buses may have been diesel. Rather academic what type of vehcles were parked next to it along for the ride though if diesel the fire was probably easier to handle. This technology is in its infancy and being rushed with political rather than pragmatic reasoning as to actually what is acheivable at this time. Again Diesel was what the government wanted everyone to have and now it is the pariah and we have the same rush in to EVs to solve all our problems.
To put out EV fire , need CO2 gas instead of water. or something that make temperatures down. example water tank big enough for EV.
The problem with Lithium ion battery fires is that the battery produces it's own Oxygen. The water tank is a good idea but CO2 isn't the answer.
and really (while i DO like it's simplicity) the water tank is unfortunately NOT a practical/viable solution in the context of PREVENTION. no, what it is a "half thought out" solution that only occurs AFTER THE FACT. yeah, "after" like 18 cars and 10 houses have burned to the ground. off the devastating "Blowtorch" Wildfire that occured back on 12-30-2021, i think you're going to find ALL the residents of Superior Colorado are going to have strong opinions on this. #PREVENTION
Wont work. The chemistry creates to own source of oxygen.
Gasoline is extremely flammable - And there are approximately 276 million internal combustion automobiles on US roads today. Time, Experience, Innovation - EVs MUST eventually replace most of those vehicles.
Parked gasoline cars don't suddenly catch fire.
“EVs MUST eventually replace most of those vehicles.” No, they shouldn’t. The only use for an electric vehicle is to promote the liberal government’s climate alarmism scam.
I think the eV battery pack has a fast charging tolerance point that once you bridge that point, will turn into a change reaction. I think the fires are inversely proportional to the fast charging rate. Meaning, the slower you charge it, the less likely it will ignite or go off
I HAVE BEEN DRIVING A 1992 GAS CAR FOR YEARS NOW AND IT HAS NEVER CAUGHT ON FIRE WTF I WILL MORE THAN LIKELY DRIVE IT FOR ANOTHER 20 YEARS AND I AM ALMOST POSITIVE IT WONT START ITSELF ON FIRE
Full disclosure: I've been driving an EV (Mitsubishi i-MiEV) for just over 6 years now and studying the technical aspects of these cars longer than that. I see lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4, LFP, etc.) briefly mentioned at around six and a half minutes into this CNBC report and it probably should have been mentioned even sooner. This is mature yet currently underutilized battery cell technology that is far less fire prone than what's in most EVs today. The next wave of EVs in 2022 moving forward will prominently feature LFP cells, especially the upcoming standard range and more affordable Tesla models, as well as a host of EVs made in China. One Chinese company, BYD, makes an LFP cell called the Blade, which takes the form of a long, thin rectangle and is particularly safe when it comes to fire safety, even when punctured. The other asset of the Blade is that, like all LFP cells, it doesn't require scarce minerals that might also have human rights issues in mining. The only downside with LFP is that it's slightly less energy dense than ternary (ie: nickel/manganese/cobalt anode) formulations commonly used in EVs today. I hope the American, European, Japanese and Korean manufacturers pivot to LFP soon. All the various patents that previously prevented more widespread worldwide adoption of LFP are now expired and there should be no more excuses. LFP will work today, while the more energy dense and possibly even less fire prone solid state automotive traction batteries begin entering the marketplace in a few more years. Electric aviation will follow soon after.
dont spew youre logic on here, thats not the narraritive
@@airgunningyup Be forewarned, Earthling . . .
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Problem is LFP works terribly in the winter so it won't work in northern countries
@@dyingpentas True that LFP is vulnerable in low temp operations. But battery packs in modern EVs have thermal management, certainly better that the little cooling fan inside my i-MiEV pack. Early Nissan Leafs had nothing at all and that was a problem for those cars a decade ago. Also . . . don't all you folks up near the Arctic Circle have 120V outlets all over the place to heat up engine blocks to prevent freezing? You already have the cold weather infrastructure.
I also heard it is ok to fully charge,or leave it empty the battery will just fine..
CNBC would release this the day before TSLA earnings call.
This video was posted months back too
Imagine a battery powered school bus with 60 little worlds on board. Now the battery has a chemical reaction you have to get the kids off the bus.
That is a story to come in the near future as districts are to add electric fleets in some cities.
Imagine your $70k car burns down your $500k house.
Several months ago I had a troubling dream. In the dream, I saw my sister's hillside home burnt to the ground. I stood there speechless but relieved that no one was hurt.
I couldn't make of sense of it so I kept it to myself, especially since she didn't want to hear about it.
She has a fully electrified EV with an attached garage along with an EV Charger. Now that EVs have been EXPOSED as fire hazards I'm gravely concerned. Wouldn't you be?
This is the dawn of the EV.
There are teething problems which need to be addressed.
But what about when these vehicles start to age...say in 10 years or so. I have seen the price of a used Tesla plummet because the battery is shot, and replacing it requires a second mortgage.
And what are the maintenance issues that owners need to follow over the years to keep their car healthy and minimize the chance of 🔥fire.
I think I"ll stick to ICE's until I can get some answers.
An electric car battery can easily last more than 10 years, losing 15% max of its original capacity, if the car has been used daily to drive a whole 100 miles every day.
But for a battery that can give 200 miles of autonomy, that is still 170 miles of autonomy left after 10 years of intensive usage.
The battery isn't "shot" like you say, it's just people who make such a drama because they lost 30 miles of autonomy. The battery can still be used for another 10 years of intensive usage.
Granted, this will further decrease the autonomy, but still. You are not going to tell me that a battery that can be used for 20 years is "shot".
And the battery can be used even beyond those 20 years as a stationnary green energy storage system for another 20 or more years before becoming totally unusable.
Hydrogen is the future for vehicles
@@petertaylor3446 It's not
@@texanplayer7651 OK you're entitled to your opinion, so am i
@@texanplayer7651 not reliant on China for batteries, no raw materials drought for hydrogen no emission problems except water, not a bad thing, make your case and I might accept the finality of it's not
"Every single vehicle is different, even within a manufacturer" does this mean future regulation might include some kind of standardisation to designs?
@clot shots oh, I took different to mean there's not much interchangeability because of somewhat custom part designs
@clot shots well I assumed some regulatory body would set some kind of standards so that there is commonality if not within manufacturers then across the segment( not the government getting ok the drawing board and saying which exact shapes parts should be but that maybe they should at least have some kind of specified dimensions so that for example a tesla charger can be plugged into a rivian or something like that). But by the looks of things I'm a little ignorant here, no I have not heard of the yugo, will take your advice...
Electric vehicles are such a new thing that manufacturers are sharing all of their information and designs with each other, where they used to be extremely protective of those sorts of things. It's extremely strange, and I see it as a huge red flag.
No, people say crazy stuff because they are fairly new & not understood
Never want your condo/office underground carpark to have an EV fire starter with multiple EVs in it 😮
If I plugged 1 in at home I would want a firewall between garage & house.
Brought to u by GM and Ford - FUD
Yes, a video like this benefits both Ford and GM who are investing BILLIONS into EVs.
Hey, Lithium is reactive in water, who really dare think to put out lithium fire by water??
Battery packs are around 4% lithium by weight. In a discharged pack very little of that 4% is flammable. In a fully charged pack most of it is. A much bigger factor is the organic electrolyte.
An EV with a lithium ion battery pack is not a car, it's a mobile crematorium...
I have been safety testing lithium ion cells for the last two years (18650 and 21700). I would have a hard time sitting on top of a battery pack with 1000-2000 cells. It’s a lot of energy packed in there….
Where do you get 1000 to 2000 cells from? A Nissan Leaf 24kw has around 130 cells......
@@Brian-om2hh The Tesla S class has over 7000 18650 cells.....
Wait until the insurance companies that offer homeowners react to EV's in an attached garage.
Seems like they need to come up with an air robbing foam to better put them out. One of the problems with fire suppression foams is they tend to be extremely toxic for the environment. Its finding a safe one or safest as possible.
fire in an electric car battery is a chemical fire and does not require oxygen to burn
Why not ban cars entirely and make city's more sustainable and profitable by making them more dense and walkable it will reduce obesity and and other health issues and also battery cars are not good either they use tires and building them requires rare earth metals which causes pollution battery cars explode mixed housing is better
@@ujjalshill6442 why not ban cities?
@@poisonouslead85 yes
@@poisonouslead85 we should ban cities
As opposed to gasoline engines, which never catch fire..
The odds are exactly 100% of electric vehicles will eventually catch fire through the wear and tear of daily driving, and like 0.2% of gasoline cars catch on fire, because something external set them on fire.
@@mrnobody6609 wow
The cheapest way to handle an EV fire is to just let it burn and prevent everything around from ignite instead if possible.
When an EV is about to catch fire, it's already too late to save it when it gets to the battery wich happens very quickly.
It is not like a gasoline car.
I mean, all that water to cool a toasted battery that is unusable when the EV is standing on the ground with nothing around it or things that could be easly moved away from it.
Why is our government so intent on putting us all into electric vehicles instead of gasoline or diesel powered vehicles? This tech is neither tried or true. Hypothetically, could a signal be sent via smart meters to short out the battery and start an electrical fire during charging of your ev? What happens when your EV catches fire inside your garage or a parking structure? It may be too hot to stop before engulfing your entire home or the homes of others, are you personally liable for damage or is it covered by auto insurance? What happens if you don't have access to home charging equipment? What happens If the government wanted you to comply with the new tyranny rules or move to one of their 15 minute cities, could they just flip a switch and eliminate your ability to charge your vehicle? It will be worse by volumes with digital money. In California, they suffer from brown outs, black outs for a major portion of the summer as the power grid is taxed to capacity. When it is windy, the grid is automatically shut down. The state government asks people last year not to charge vehicles during these times. How does this affect your ability to use your transportation? Is it dangerous for the power company linemen to work on power lines when electric vehicles are plugged into the grid?
Now they are putting the factories to build these batteries in Michigan- we don't want them!! The government is corrupt!! Look up Gotion Ev Battery Plant
I'm pretty sure that GAS cars have a FIRE problem
duh..
Not in your garage while you sleep,only when running or shortly after parked