Remembering The Toskala/Giguere Deal w/ Former Leafs GM Brian Burke + BONUS TREE!! | NHL Trade Trees
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- Steve Dangle is Joined by former Toronto Maple Leafs GM Brian Burke to discuss the trade he made to acquire goaltender Jean-Sebastien Giguere from the Anaheim Ducks. Then, they analyze another famous move he made during his tenure in Toronto.
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The real reason for the trade tree: so Steve can talk about James Reimer lol
He has a great story started hockey at 13 in a church rec league
@@snicky3594That's not uncommon. Antonio Gates didn't even start playing Football until he had an Undrafted Workout for NFL Scouts in 2003...and is a damn Hall of Famer.
Man, he kept that bonus trade tree a secret better then the "secret podcast guests" lol
To follow this up, a Trevor Linden trade tree. It includes the McCabe deal that Burke just mentioned and a bunch of 1999 draft pick movement in the first round
I want to see the Max Pacioretty trade tree that started with Craig Rivet being traded to San Jose
Montreal got a first (Pacioretty) and Josh Gorges for Rivest and fifth that happened to be Julien Demers (never played NHL).
Sharks traded Rivet to Sabres after two ok seasons for 2 2nds (2009 : William Wrenn, never played,. 2010 : Traded to Hurricanes for 5th round pick [Cody Ferrerio, never played] and Niclas Wallin [10 points in 97 games for SJ]. The pick was Mark Alt [18 NHL games, 0 points].
With the Sabres, RIvet was picked up in waivers by the Blue Jackets.
Josh Gorges was a pillar in Montreal (wore the A) for a little more than 7 years as a defensive d (464 gp, 88 points, +35). Traded to Buffalo where he did not show up those numbers (-42 in 4 seasons) for a 2016 second round pick (Chad Krys, does not play in the NHL, and is not killing it in the AHL).
That pick, along with another second round pick in 2016 went to the Blackhawks for Andrew Shaw. Ok, that other pick was Alex Debrincat. Shush
But, Shaw was again traded by the Habs to the Hawks for a 2nd in 2020 (Jan Mysak, a top prospect according to Scott Wheeler), a 3rd in 2021 and a 7th in 2020 which was used by the Habs for the Jake Allen trade along with a third in 2020. The habs also got a 7th 2022. The Blues selected Dyylan Peterson with the 3rd and Chase Bradley with the 7th.
Pacioretty put up 226 goals and 448 pts as a Hab (was the Captain) in 626 gp. He got traded to the VGK (106 pts in 137 gp) for Nick Suzuki (41 pts in 71 games as a ROOKIE), Tomas Tatar (119 in 148 points) AND a second round pick in 2019 (which got traded to the Kings for a 3rd and 5th round pick in 2019)
The second round pick by the Kings was Samuel Fagemo (13 pts in 7 gp for team Sweden in the 2020 WHJC).
3rd pick for Habs was Mattias Norlinder. Played WHJC, no points in 7 games as a D.
5th round pick : Jacob Leguerrier. Doubled his total points in the OHL this year.
@@curmudgeonaf thus why dangle will never do a video about it
No Brian Burke or Leafs involved, not happening.
My god rivet is a god here in Buffalo New York!!! You would have thought he played his entire career here. We named him captain and everything!!! I'm surprised we haven't retired his number raised a banner in his honor god knows we wont be raising any other banners to the rafters of the key bank center
( or whatever the name is of the arena when you read this
It's up. Both Rivet and even the Pacioretty one.
JVR signed with philly in the summer of ‘18, same year as “JOHN TAVARES IS A LEAF”
ya but do you remember when burke would mention, every press conference, he coulda traded schenn for tavares 😂
"He was like a brick wall with good manners." Idk why I liked that quote so much 😂
I have never heard a better way to describe an awful save percentage as “you could dress up as an .874 for Halloween”. Dangle, you are a true wordsmith.
Marian Gaborik trade tree please
You learn something new everyday. The only NHL game I've ever been to was Ducks @ Sabres 2010 where I received a practice puck from Jason Blake. Never knew until now that we received Blake from the Giguere trade
So many fond Leafs memories, followed by sadness.
Love your videos Dangle!
I had a chance to get an autographed picture from the Leafs in 2009/2010, any player wanted, I chose Jonas Gustavsson -_-
Still the best trade the leafs ever made getting rid of frickin toskala and blake
Also I want a trade tree for the Sedin Twins. I know it's Vancouver aquiring the DRAFT PICK to get one of them (I forget which one) but I think that would be interesting.
That's already part of the Trevor Linden Trade Tree.
I grew up in San Jose. I still remember the Shields/Toskula/Nabokov/Kiprusoff debates on the schoolyard.
I love the bonus part didn’t even read the title for the video just seen it was new, these videos are awesome keep doing them!
Why couldn’t the leafs have traded up to 4th overall for pietrangelo in 08
They can’t use time machines
I’m a sens fan
@GW H I know, but it’s looking better and I’m a die hard and loyal fan, I’d never leave them
@@EpiXXan more from like the lockout to Matthews aside from that one year, we were actually a playoff team consistently before the lockout even making the second round! Unfortunately I wasn’t alive then lmao
Atlanta could have picked him right up at 3rd versus Zach Bogosian. That city no long has a team. It can always be worse.
Published 1 week ago. That makes me happy that these videos are still being made.
Very poetic...lifting the cup in the blue and white. Great job!
Trying to get into Hockey lately and these videos have me hooked!
Love the recent nostalgia. How far we've come. Then again, we've won as many playoff rounds with Raycroft, Toskala, Gustavsson, Reimer, Aubin & Giguere in net as we have with Freddy 😭
Toskala was a good goalie who ended up on a shithole franchise with a garbage goalie coach in Allaire who tried to make a 5'9" hybrid veteran play like an overweight, clunky, blocking butterfly goalie with massively oversized equipment. No one could've survived that cesspool of Leafs management and coaching.
This. Also, the Leafs had Jeff Finger and Ian White playing top 4 defence
Toskala had bad reputation for his big clumsy blooper. But he had good potentiality. Without some health problems (at least i remember so) and perhaps a better team, he could have had some good career. I remember San Jose tandem, interesting enough both Kipper and Toskala went to Calgary in the end! Believed that Toskala would have been the best, too.
On a sort of related note on Vesa Toskala: As an Isles fan, I got to go to the game at Nassau Coliseum where the 197 ft goal was made when I was a kid.
hey steve Dangle! here are two retro trade tree that would be intesting: the John Kordic Russ Courtnall trade Tree (stanley cup involved). and an Oldie Robert Picard For a 3rd Round pick (2 stanley cups involved). Serge Savard at his best.
Can we do the Beauchemin for Lupul & Gardiner trade next lol!?!
I think we saw that in the 2 trade trees involving Pronger.
"..you can dress up as an .874 for Halloween.." lmfao Gold.
Recchi Philly-Habs-Philly Catastroph-tree
Steve, I think the Dave Semenko trade tree (Minnesota North Stars to Edmonton Oilers) could be interesting as it branches out to include Hall of Famers and probably also folks in the Hall of Very Good too. Initial trade in 1979 and I think it ends in 2013 with the final twig
You are right about the Sharks trio. It's the reason why Kiprusoff was traded to Calgary and the pick that was part of the return became Vlasic. Also, Kiprusoff was instrumental in taking out the Sharks in the 2004 WCF.
What'd I think? Well...the part you said Roddy Ross sounded like the villain in a hypothetical Talladega Nights II. 😄
Man, I remember that day. We were on the beach in Mexico. Someone from another Canadian family yelled out "the Leafs just got Phaneuf!" I was super pumped. He was a monster when he was young. Too bad it didn't work out well for him in Toronto, in the end. The game changed, and his big hits were vilified. That took away his impact (so to speak). Same thing kind of happened to McCabe, when they outlawed the can opener. That, getting rag dolled by Chara. That's what did McCabe in.
to be honest i liked phaneuf but he had no help he himself was the d core for a long time. its funny and sad at the same time the the team couldnt make trades to find help for the decent players we had
Jason Blake!!!! Forgot about this! This reminds me of the RA Dickey deal in 2013. Old journeyman from new york after 1-2 good seasons.
A lot of goalies in the Toskla trade at some point in time were apart of the flames organization
Great as always. Absolutely love these videos, Steve!
Do the Kyle McLaren trade tree. It starts with the Bruins trading Kyle McLaren in a 3 way trade, has players like Brad Boyes and Dennis Wideman involved, and ends with the Bruins getting Nathan Horton.
That one is actually part of the Cam Neely trade tree, which I'm very surprised Steve hasn't covered yet. It's an interesting one, though!
Hilariously, I have a personal tie to that Trade. McLaren went to the Sharks. He owned Dogs...my mom is a Dog Groomer so we would watch his Dogs when he'd go for Away Games. His wife was insanely hot, never met him but I met her.
I gotta say, I am disappointed we did not get your classic Vesa Toskala impression here.
When we were in 5th grade during the early 2000s, me and my friend gave Vesa Toskala the nickname "Tunneli-Imuri" (A Tunnel Vaccuum) cause we would give so many goals from shots in the five-hole :DD
Aubin is actually a really cool guy. I’ve done a lot of goalie camps with him in Pittsburgh
hey Steve do one of these trees about that awesome trade that brought Rask to Boston please.
Here's an idea of a tree that starts with a small, unassuming trade. Jeff Norton from Pit to SJS in 2001 for Johan Herdberg. It ended up getting the Pens Neal, thus Hornqvist and Spalding. Spalding was part of the Kessel trade, which turned to Galchenyuk then Zucker. Hornqvist was just sent to Florida for Matheson. A nice tie in is that Norton is also one of the D-men Mario is splitting in the statue outside of PPG
Too many "it also used parts from this trade and that trade".
DOUBLE TRADE TREE!!!!! YES!!!!!
Also, I didn't know JVR went to UNH! I'm from New Hampshire!
"...someone should hire that Brian Burke guy"
clearly Steve's influence is felt in boardrooms across the continent
I still have a Vesa Toskala item I got from McDonald's as a kid. Sits in my room as part of my leafs memorabilia
i think you need to burn it... but would it be hotter than his career ?
Erik Johnson - Kevin Shattenkirk trade tree would be amazing! Steve would love it I know it! It would involve the Halak-Miller trade (Chris Stewart), The Brayden Schenn trade (WSH '17 1st rounder from the Shattenkirk trade), How 11th overall Siemens turned out (avs we're stoked they got the highest possible pick they could with it being Top 10 protected) vs 2nd rounder multi-100 pt WHLer Ty Rattie turned out.
I loved the short time lecavalier was on the kings he was pretty fun to watch out there
YOU FORGOT THE HABS IN THE LUKE SCHENN TRADE WHATTTTTT??? he played for ARI then he got traded to MTL where he got 10pts/16g
Love the video Steve but personally would have liked you to breakdown the Schenn trade to Tampa at the end of your video
Even better is that Roddy Ross' nickname matches up pretty well to his actual name. Can you imagine an NHL call about "Rowdy" Roddy's debut?
I covered San Jose's AHL team when they were in Cleveland as a collegiate journalist. I remember Toskala being good, but not great. When Kipper came down for a rehab assignment and I covered two of his four games, I remember thinking "This guy is better than any of us will ever give him credit for." Oh how right I turned out to be.
I have been asking since the first trade tree video for you to do either the Rick Nash trade tree or the Marian Gaborik trade tree. Pleade Steve. Please
I always thought that the reason some teams are unsuccessful is because they make knee jerk reactions with their GM's. Always thought Brian Burke wasn't given enough time in Toronto. Burke was always better at trades. Nonis was better at drafting but not great for trades.
Steve Please do the Mat Sundin Trade Tree?!?!?
Can you do the Sedin draft trade?
Fun Fact: Roddy Ross wore the number 69 for Flyers training camp this year. Nice!
DOMINATING
I love these trade trees! i've been doing these by myself for years! I like really insignificant trades that end up up blowing up! check the Perry Turnbull trade from st louis to montreal....the blues in the tree end up with 3 different hall of famers....oates,housley and macinnis....
Hey love the videos they’re quite good but the close up of the camera is a little uncomfortable. Like move back a little bit if you can.
Craig Rivet Trade is still going and wild. Good video as always but can't wait until you do this one
Please do the Guerin fro Arnott trade tree
Devils win big time
@@ianmillar4726 oh Yeah definitely but it still had a lot of impact on multiple teams
I got the 2008-09 Maple Leafs scoring leader trivia question right (Jason Blake) without looking or cheating... But why do I remember the bad memories more?
I love this trade trees
Always love the videos steve
As you said, thank goodness JVR was injured in the 15/16 season...last trade tree you talked about how good Colin Greening was that year in 30 games, JVR had 29 points in 40 games...he could have brought them a few extra wins and out of the basement
/Aragorn : There may come a day when the race of man no longer watches trade tree videos, but it is not TODAY!
You need to do the Brent burns trade tree it’s really huge and leads to Ryan Oreily winning a cup with the blues
i love those videos !!!
Burkey is the best
Will we get a Sedin's story/ trade tree with Burkie?
Rick Nash trade tree. I will not stop until it is released
Am I the only one who guessed Jason Blake? Lol. That was the first season I became a fan!
I'm not entirely a Burke fan, but it's rather nice having someone who was there for these trades in house. Dangle hasn't gotten him to say "truculent" yet.
vesa toskala is the reason im a leafs fan i live on LI and got to see the infamous goal
The Hull and Gilmour trade trees in one video would be nice!
I like any video mentioning Vincent Lecavalier.
You should have done the full toskala trade tree because it led to the sharks getting couture
The Sharks at that time also had the rights to Johan "Moose" Hedberg they got from Philly and then traded on to Pittsburgh.
Should do a trade tree on the Brind'Amour - Primeau trade
1:18 Yes. Yes indeed. That is how reading works.
Olli Jokinen tree would be massive
Dan Ellis James Reiner and Ben Scrivens legends where I grew up with the Hershey Bears and Reading Royals
Do a Trevor Linden trade tree please and thank you!
Ayy I love when Burkie is in the vids!
i've been saying he should do the neely trade tree. now i'm not so sure. that will be a full length movie.
obviously the bruins won the deal, and boston benefits more directly, but the pederson side is actually A LOT bigger. it's so goddamn big i'm quitting halfway through and i already know sundin, thornton, and luongo are in it. it must be cursed, though, because none of the three won a cup.
do the canucks see any profit from it? well, yes, like i said, luongo's in it, and thus also markstrom, but also the deal that brought courtnall, ronning, and momesso to vancouver.
neely and pederson both retired in boston, btw. they did play together at one point.
Way back when Bäckström and Rinne both played for Kärpät in Finland I thought Bäckström would be the one to make it big in the NHL.
I was at the game the night before, we blew a lead to the visiting Canucks, and lost.
Funko should make a Steve Dangle Pop! Figure. I would buy it.
technically fall starts on sept 22. so he did still win the cup this past summer
I'm actually shocked to say I did know without looking it up that Jason Blake was the answer.. hahaha
So cool with Brains insight. The wife and I bumped into him at the Hockey Fall of Fame one day. Great guy, wife loves the Leafs and got a pic with him.
You should do the Hasek trade to Buffalo from Chicago
Wait I thought Toskala’s nickname was “the monster”
I don't get why some fans get upset when players choose to go to US College for a couple of years before they join their NHL clubs. I mean going that route is the smartest route you could go - especially if you're a mid-round pick that needs to develop his game... I mean it's an excellent opportunity for a player to not only develop against bigger older players, and a style of game that more resembles professional hockey (AHL/NHL) but at the same time get an associates degree to boot - at least just as a backup plan in case their career doesn't go as planned.... I mean If I was drafted I would absolutely go the university route unless I was a top pick or something and felt I was absolutely 100% ready for the NHL.....
Sorry but the CHL and NCAA are entirely different leagues with entirely different philosophies.... The NCAA is more like the AHL/NHL and professional hockey in general while the CHL is more of a league that focuses on certain players, while the rest are just cannon fodder and pylons for the stars to embarrass.
If you disagree with my opinion, please by all means leave a comment.
hiller...one of those guys who just disappeared one day and i can't remember why or from where.....i think calgary.
Went to play in Calgary and ended up having vertigo and didn’t know it, he played fairly poorly because of it. And every team looked at his numbers and he got basically blacklisted from the NHL, he went back home to play in the Swiss league the last few years
Can you do
A Teemu Selanne trade from Winnipeg to Anaheim please
you should look at the trevor linden to the islanders trade, youd be surprised, it just ended for the canucks this year!
And luke schenn has now won 2 cups wearing blue and white.
Bro he said Trevor! It's James! He got the names confused. I was about to say how did the BlackHawks get #1 Overall Patrick Kane and #2 overall TVR?
Wrong blue and white for Steve. Right blue and white for me 😁
I hate the Leafs I love both of you guys cuz you could both keep on making these videos you guys both Burke and dangle are awesome
Let's go Buffalo
How to make hockey intriguing right now:
Dangle + Burke
I genuinely don’t remember Toskala being that bad, I knew he wasn’t allstar but damn. I was pretty young at the time lol
Steve casually picked the corner of the Blue Room that had Luke Schenn in it