How The 2015 Glencross Deal Turned Into An Embarrassment Of Riches For Calgary | NHL Trade Trees
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- Steve Dangle takes a look back at how the 2015 trade deadline deal that sent Curtis Glencross to the Washington Capitals turned out to be a huge deal for the Calgary Flames in retrospect.
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Calgary and Carolina didn't pass on Fox by any means. He refused to sign with either team.
Adam Fox wasn't signing with Calgary no matter what so Calgary made out like bandits
yep. fox deserves showers of boos once a year when he plays in the saddledome.
@@ZESCREATIVE I believe the NHL has to revise their college player rule regarding how long the team holds the rights of said player kinda like how they treat players from Europe and Russia
@@mcknightmustang1055 this is so long overdue
@@mcknightmustang1055 no I like it I think it adds something extra to the system
@@davidwood1100 You like something that could hurt your team even if they’ve done nothing wrong at all? That’s stupid dude lol
Watching this again when all three of Lindholm, Hanifin and Kyllington popping off this season makes this even better
1 year later, this has aged like fine wine.
Hanifin has 43 pts in 75 games and is a top pairing 2 way dman.
Kylington is a top 4 dman with 29 pts in 67 games in his first full season with strong defensive metrics
Lindholm is getting Selke discussions and has 39 goals and 78 pts in 76 games.
Flames now have a 27 year old 1C and 25 year old 1D and top 4 D from this trade tree, and all three are only getting better.
People only mention how many goals Dougie gets but that guy shoots more than Gaudreau to get those points, on top of that the absolutely idiotic penalties he would take in a one goal game
Can’t believe Lindholm ended up being this good. I always thought Hanifin was the player that we were getting in that deal that would be the best player. Lindholm being a 40 goal scorer and one of the best defensive forwards in the league is something that was completely unexpected to me.
@@randy2949how are you feeling now after the 2023-24 season?
Milk brother it aged like milk
Do the Craig Rivet-Josh Gorges trade tree. It’s pretty uneventful on the Sharks end of things but boy does it get interesting on the Habs end. Pacioretty, Tatar, Suzuki, Shaw, Debrincat, Krys and Jake Allen are all involved in it
Not to mention the sabres get screwed twice in the same tree
@@TheTommer97 the Sabres are very good at being screwed twice in a trade tree.
I just added the same comment before seeing yours. Hopefully he’ll do it. The Canadiens have made great trades over the years (this one, the danault one, even trading plekanec for a 2nd then signing him again was a good trade) but everyone just remembers the Gomez one or the Drouin one (which at the time didn’t seem too bad)
I was going to suggest this, but yeah you covered it well!
@@louisbrabant5253 Thats the part people dont get about Gomez... at the moment it wasnt so bad! Gainey did this exact same deal before, but if the Stars and Nieuwendyk doesnt win the cup its a way worse trade than Gomez... i love Mcdonagh but he's not on Iginla level!
Lindholm is such an underrated player. Great defensively, and a great shot!
Put up 40 last year
@@jordanfedirchuk1558 and second in selke voting
How about the Gretzky trade tree?
Yikes... that could turn into a 5 hour video pretty fast with the amount of assets moved in that deal
@@alexrompen805 his birthday is 1/26 what better tribute to the great one for his birthday. It would probably take that long too write anyways.
Ohhhhhh
That trade tree would take more than 1 hour to go through
I tried to write one up at home, and I couldn't fit in on a single page. It would be really fun but idk if it would fit in a cideo
Kevin Shattenkirk-Erik Johnson deal. Maybe third times the charm. Plus Shattenkirk to the Caps as a rental should expand the tree, right?
Man, I checked out that tree and it gets very complicated from the Buffalo side down the line. Heck, even a coach was involved in this trade tree going to Buffalo
Fox said he wasn’t gonna sign with calgary
Yep. Or Carolina. He ONLY wanted to sign with the Rangers.
Have hated him since and I’m not even a fan of neither of those teams
@@ukkeliskukkelis8971 Now I'm seeing what kind of collector albatross I got since I pulled three copies of his Young Gun out of packs.
Pretty sure the reason fox was traded is he said he wouldn’t sign with Calgary and then said he wouldn’t sign with Carolina
Fox refused to sign for Calgary.
Same with the canes, he’s a new york snob
@@jotsky3668 canes got a second back
@@loganmitchell1280 yeah but he didn’t want to play whit the canes either, lots of kids from college hockey want to play in new-york
@@jotsky3668 ah yes, he's a NY snob for not wanting to play for two orgs that didnt need RD and forcing his way onto a team that would play him 20+mins as a rookie, that also happens to be his childhood team. Those damn NY snobs!
@@OB197 theirs so many college hockey players who opt out and resign with new york buddy
The Mark Recchi trade tree (in the 90's) is a big one, would be cool to see it in one slide
Edit: I looked it up and pieces involved in Pittsburgh's side of the whole tree are still being moved today, over 20 years later.
I've got another "little deal" that eventually resulted in the Bruins winning the cup in 2011.
-Bruins traded Kyle McLaren and a 4th to Sharks for Jeff Hackett and Jeff Jillson
- Bruins trade Jeff Jillson in 3 way trade, get Brad Boyes
- Bruins trade Brad Boyes to Blues for Dennis Wideman
- Bruins trade Dennis Wideman with 1st and 3rd to Panthers for Nathan Horton and Gregory Campbell
In case you dont know, Horton and Campbell were both on the Bruins cup winning team, and Horton especially was a huge contributor. He scored 17 points in the 2011 postseason, including OT goals in games 5 and 7 of the Montreal series.
The T.J. Oshie trade between the Caps and Blues. It's a fun, weird trade tree with interlocking branches, and shows how trading Oshie became the seed for the Blues to add some important players to their own Cup win.
Do the Rick Nash to NYR trade tree. Just an insane amount of names involved when it starts growing
I think we can agree that the Caps came out on the losing end.
I’m sure they’re happy with their Stanley Cup!
@@nathankennedy4263 They didn't get it with anything from this trade.
The funniest thing is, Glencross would’ve been some type of legend if Chris Krieder hadn’t scored in the last minute of game 5 of that series against the rangers. Caps were up 3-1 in the series and Glencross had scored the only goal in that game. Hockey is fun
still want t o see a saad trade tree! great job btw!
Boston COULD have had Konecny, Boeser Barzal, Connor, Chabot, Aho, Larsson, or Samsonov at that 15th pick. So the flames dodged a bit of the bullet there, but to Bruins fans, you could have had three of any of them with those three straight 2015 first rounders.
Aho and Boeser wasn't highly rated. Samsonov is probably due to the Russian factor (along with the fact goalie dont usually get drafted in 1st round) but other than that yeah they screw up, Chabot/Barzal/Connor/Konecny were among the best player available when it came for the Bruins to announced their 3 picks.
I find it funny though that the passed Chabot because he was in the same junior of one of the Bruins' 3 1st round picks. (Jakub Zboril played with St John Sea Dogs with Thomas Chabot)
Chabot wasn't rated as high as zboril. Everyone thought he was gonna be one of the best dmen in the draft
8:00 - Trading a guy because he's _not_ a partying clubber but instead a quiet, reserved nerd is probably about the dumbest, most hockey move I can imagine; and _of course_ it's my Flames (allegedly) trading a guy for such an immature reason. Explains a lot, honestly.
When this all went down it came out in a podcast somewhere that Dougie totally disappeared at the end of the season. Didn't show up to end of year front office interviews etc. Front office was bamboozled so they got rid of him. Guess he didn't like the vibe...
He had to go. He was a big Crybaby after they got rid of his Brother, Freddie who wasn't very good anyway. The Flames really tried to cater to him and his needs and wants (probably more demands)....they just had enough of his act. As Treliving said the day he was shipped to Carolina...he wants guys who want to be in Calgary...
Now FFWD to 2022...Johnny and Chucky GONE..
They didn't want to be in CGY as well. Treliving with a great Trade on Tkachuk and then signs Kadri?? Killer moves!
Do a Kent Nilsson trade tree. The Flames drafted Joe Nieuwendyk with the pick they got for trading Nilsson to the North Stars which eventually ended up with Nieuwendyk being traded to the Stars for Iginla in the 90s
Trading Fox for young stud NHL players was a win for Calgary. He refused to sign there and he also refused to sign in Carolina, who was only able to get a second rounder for him in comparison
@@waleah4855 lmao fox over Hamilton?? You're delusional.
@@waleah4855 Fox refused to sign. They had to trade him
Carolina got two second rounders from the Rangers for Fox. But otherwise I agree with you.
@@xRuthless33 Hamilton is on Carolina lolllll
Sad thing about Adam Fox is that it was common knowledge that he wasn’t going to any team outside of New York. That’s why Calgary traded him despite him being a great prospect.
One trade tree that seemed to peak a little interest for me: Dale Hawerchuk from Winnipeg to Buffalo in 1990. I think that tree lasted until 2016 (even after the original Jets franchise moved to Arizona in 1996) on the Jets/Coyotes side of the tree.
The trade was: Dale Hawerchuk + WPG's 1st round pick in 1990 (which became Brad May) to Buffalo for Phil Housley, Scott Arniel, Jeff Parker, and BUF's 1st round pick in 1990 (which became Keith Tkachuk).
Ron Francis and Ulf Samulesson trade to Pittsburgh would be interesting.
Love your trade trees keep doing a great job
Note: Red on blue is REALLY hard to read...
Fun fact: I live two hours from where Glencross grew up
It should be noted that Lindholm has one of the best contracts in the NHL. That's where the real value comes from.
Trade trees are intriguing. Good presentation
Hey, I’m sure you receive a lot of suggestions and they are all good but listen to this one. In 2007 the Montreal Canadiens traded Craig Rivet for Josh Georges and a 1st round pick, that ended up being Max Pacioretty, who then got traded for Nick Suzuki, Tomas Tatar and a 2nd round pick.
Forgot about Glencross with Caps. Great trade tree 🌲!
I think you should do the Jordon Stall trade from Pittsburgh to Carolina. Odd trade. Jordan wanted to play in Carolina in his bother. He was 1 year away from UFA and he didn't want to sign the 10 year $60 million dollar extension with the Pens, so they traded him with 1 year left to the Canes. Where he signed the same contract. Pittsburgh got back Dumolin and the parts that ended up helping Pittsburgh trade for 2/3 of the HBK (Haglin-Bonino-Kessel) line.
Flames fan here from the summer of 2022, yeah Kylington, and Lindholm have been huge
Great video. It should be noted that Adam Fox was never going to sign in Calgary, so I almost consider this a freebie.
should of added adam fox didnt want to play anywhere but new york
Losing Adam Fox might of sucked for the Flames but he was never going to sign there anyways.
To be fair Fox had absolutely no interest in playing for the flames and wasn't going to sign a contract with them. They got something nice for someone that was not going to play for them
Hey Steve, 2022 calling. Kylington is great, Lindholm is great.
Fox is doing great with NYR. Dougie is a Devil and out injured. Flames win.
This aged very well looking at the current season.
Calgary was going to lose Fox as they had drafted him almost 2 drafts earlier and he told Calgary multiple times he was not going to sign. So much like Tim Erixon before him, Calgary HAD to trade him or they would have lost him for nothing. Unlike the Tim Erixon deal, however, the Flames made out like bandits on trading Fox. Hamilton was an odd duck who didn't fit in with either Boston OR Calgary. He's ok but the story I heard was while the Flames were on the road, while they going out to dinners together, team building, etc he preferred to go off and do his own thing alone. Not good for building chemistry with your team. Lindholm and Hanifin are good young players signed long term in Calgary. I don't care how good Fox will be, Calgary did VERY WELL getting rid of Glencross who they weren't bringing back anyway.
Dude, these are my fave hockey videos. Please please please please please do the Cam Neely trade. That tree is epic!
Yay
I humbly request the Semyon Varlamov deal. It's still going but had a number of moving parts that all turned out kind of interesting. The Avs part is actually pretty small, the rest is super fun.
I completely forgot Ottawa could have had Tarasenko, did some digging and Kyle Turris was Involved in that trade tree. Would love to see a video on that tree.
This tree has a lot more legs to it now that both Lindholm and Hanifin were traded for big packages
This trade tree is still alive
What a solid swindle by Brad back in the day. That trade is still doing wonders for the Flames franchise.
Can't wait to watch the Mantha-Vrana trade tree in a decade or so lol
Flames won all of the deals.
Glencross was terrible at the end of his tenure with Calgary, he was unplayable.
Kylington shows a lot of promise, especially playing under a guy like Giordano.
Hamilton had great offensive moments but his defensive lapses made me want to rip my hair out, he just didn't get it. Seemed like every goal that was scored against us, you'd watch the replay and Hamilton would be way out of position.
Ferland was the same as Glencross/Brouwer/Neal/Lucic big body that should be in front of the net but the game is changing so much that he's not as valuable, so turning him into a 30 goal scorer is a MAJOR WIN.
Hanifin is still young and he isn't on an insane contract that lots of young players are getting nowadays so if he can just continue to develop and bring a level of consistency, then you'd love that.
The Erik Karlsson trade tree? It’s kinda small but still interesting to talk about. Especially right now
The three picks after the 15th in 2015
Matthew Barzal
Kyle Connor
Tomas Chabot
yikes....and consider they would've still drafted McAvoy even If they drafted Connor, Barzal and Chabot
Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
Connor-Barzal-Kase
Bjork-Krejci-Smith
Ritchie-Kuraly-Wagner
Chabot-McAvoy
Grzelcyk-Carlo
Lauzon-Clifton
Rask/Halak
and that's w/o considering the season w/ Krug and Chara
How about Larry Murphy from Minnesota to Pittsburgh? Especially with those teams playing for the cup that season in an unlikely scenario
This one is sufficiently non-convoluted that you can see what the total trade was for Calgary. Curtis Glencross (rental), Michael Ferland, Adam Fox, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder for Oliver Kylington, Elias Lindholm, Noah Hanifin and 3 years of Dougie Hamilton production.
Watching this video now, you notice the Flames gave away the pick that ended up being Adin Hill. I didn't notice that last year.
Do the griffin Reinhart trade where the isles got the pick that was barzal
Lindholm, Hanifin, and Kylington who is now his defense partner, are all lights out for the Flames now. This was a really good trade for the Flames and I didn't realize it started with the Glencross trade
Why is fox with the New York rangers? Shouldn't you have included that part?
Did Steve use handsign to signal a thank you? What a sweet lad!
I'm waiting for the Bure trade tree from Vancouver to Florida
This does put a smile on my face
I literally thought that said Glenn Close...
Ideas:
Buffalo trading Dominik Hasek to Detroit
Toronto trading Lanny McDonald to the then-Colorado Rockies (Now New Jersey Devils), and the story behind that
Toronto trading Felix Potvin to Vancouver
Mathieu Schnieder-Pierre Turgeon trade at the 94-95 Deadline
Chicago flipping 2 players and a 2nd to Tampa Bay for a player and a 2nd at the 95-96 Deadline
Chicago flipping Steve Sullivan to Nashville for 2 2nd rd. picks
Bryan McCabe 1 (or I should say the Todd Bertuzzi trade from the Islanders to the Canucks)
Bryan McCabe 2 (or I should say Brian Burke trading a 2000 1st rounder and McCabe to Chicago so he could draft the Sedin twins back to back)
Bryan McCabe 3 (Okay this is for fun, but the dude got traded to Toronto on my birthday 1 year before I was born)
Detroit trading for Wendel Clark from Tampa Bay
Chicago trading Chris Chelios to Detroit for 2 1sts
Lindholm traded to the Canucks. The tree continues
What hurts the most is 2015 is the ONLY time we won a round since the iPod nano was released.
The only Caps trade tree you do and it makes the Caps look terrible
Shout out to the sign at the end Steve
TY gr8 vid
Could you please do the Marian Gaborik trade to CBJ in 2013?
We should revisit this soon now that both Hanifin and Lindholm got traded
Brad Treliving was fleecing teams 7 years ago! What a gm
Steve please do either the Rick Nash trade or the Marian gaborik trade (Rangers and Columbus)
Important detail about the Adam Fox part of that deal to Carolina was that the Flames knew that there was no chance that he was going to sign with them. Like Tim Erixon before him, it was NYC or bust. At least Calgary could use him to sweeten the pot in the Carolina deal.
Cam Neely trade tree please. 34 years later, it's still active.
How about Ken Dryden, Mark Recchi and Guy Lafleur trades?
Look back into this, the flames players have exploded since, all 3.
As a Flames fan, losing Hamilton sucked a lot but Elías Lindholm is very good for us and he is very versatile player who can play as 1rw, 2c or 2rw as well.
And there is hope for Hanifin as well, i think he can be like Jacob Slavin type of level defenseman, so overrall the trade was not bad at all, but man Hamilton is so good and still could been very useful for us
The contract we signed for Lindholm is a steal, Hanifin is still a good young option on the top 4 too
Hanifin is not a defensive dman lmao who keeps saying this he’s absolute cheeks on d
@@Sanchezy804 Hanifin has the tools to be a defensive dman, but he's still working on the toolbox. But he's still only 23, and there's only one way to make a player into an effective defensive player: lots and lots of experience. I suspect he'll be pretty solid by the time he's 28 and for years thereafter.
@@tomsimon297 I’m very doubtful of that he has all the tools to be a offensive dman I don’t get how people can’t see how bad he is defensively
@@Sanchezy804 Like any young dman, how good he looks defensively depends a lot on his partner. He spent a lot of time with Hamonic, who was making every partner's numbers worse. Hanifin-Andersson turned out to be a much more effective pairing, and I suspect the Flames will run with it for some time.
Sooooooooooo interesting keep up the good work!!!
JFK is a EA darling because he takes about 400 shoots in the AHL. Even at 10% that'll be a 40 goal season.
Great analysis of trade. Calgary didn't "pass" on fox. He didn't want to play there. Kylington had great year last yr. This yr AOL for whatever reason. Hamilton? Didn't want to be here. We got 2 very very good players from canes. BTW that one playoff series we won in 2015 was only one from 2003 until 2022. Yeah!
I hope there will be a trade tree episode that will put the Capitals in the better light. Every team makes at least one bad trade in their history, but as a fan, I feel the Glencross and Erat trades should not define our team identity. The Capitals have made excellent trades in their history. Trading for Langway saved our team from leaving DC, while acquiring Oshie helped lead us to our very first Cup win. Yet when casual fans (and Yinzer Penguins fans) think of a trade the Capitals made, it's always one of those awful trades, and I absolutely hate it when Yinzers use that to crack "Ha Ha, Cleveland Browns" low hanging fruit jokes at us.
Context: the Cleveland Browns are a football team based in Cleveland, Ohio, and since their return to the NFL in 1999, have been a laughing stock cause of how inept the front office is at building a team, which in turn contributes to losses, draft busts, and a lot of jokes. Everyone and their grandmother makes Browns jokes, but some Yinzers (residents of Allegheny County, where Pittsburgh is located) have a hard-on for laughing at the Browns at every turn, since their hometown Steelers are rivals of the Browns, and until recently, have been the Steelers' favorite punching bag.
Yeah I hate to tell you Steve, but Carolina and Calgary didn’t pass on Fox, his agent came out and said he only wanted to be in New York, so the Canes got the best deal they could from the Rangers
Do the Mark Messier tree. Sam Gagner ends up in EDM twice because of that trade
This looks so be good going into the 22/23 season
So uh… this one’s definitely grown since the 2024 deadline
You clearly didn’t do ur research on the fox trade. He passed on Calgary and Carolina not the other way around.
Adam Fox was never going to sign with the Flames, so trading him for that value versus letting him walk is a pretty solid deal in my opinion.
Do a Goaile Trade Tree, for example Nikolai Khabibulin or Sean Burke
the 1991 ron francis trade between the penguins and whalers indirectly led to the penguins indirectly winning 5 cups and the hurricanes winning 1
Do a Craig Rivet to San Jose trade tree
Not bad given Curtis Glencross retired after that season. He was a great Calgary Flames player for most of his time in Calgary.
Looking who Boston passed over on that 15th overall pick....ooof....Barzal.. Boeser, Aho, Chabot.. Thats an interesting new video idea, go over previous drafts and look at players that ended up being stars that were passed over for busts by teams.
Boston had 3 picks in a row. The next 3 players drafted were Barzal, Connor and Chabot. How does a team miss so badly!
Man the 5 piece deal has some names
This will probably get lost in the comments, but I attempted to make my own Mike Richards trade tree and discovered that it involves guys like Schenn, Simmonds, Guentzel, Pitlick, Grant, Morrow, and smaller pieces in the Seguin and Taylor Hall deals. I have the whole tree written down as accurate as I could make it if Steve or anyone from Sportsnet wants to take a look at it.
Jeremy Lauzon got selected by seattle in the expansion draft
Do the Dany Heatley for Marion Hossa trade tree
You should do the Trevor Linden trade
Please do craig Rivet trade tree
Wow you can look at this right now say the Flames won this one
...and explode it did! Still aging well for the Flames.
Oliver kylington never gets ice time in Calgary. They play guys like Michael stone and Derek forbort over him. He’s never had the chance to get going and is worried about every mistake he makes because he’ll get scratched the next game if he doesn’t play perfect. He is also clearly too good for the AHL as he went down for 3 games last year and was a point per game. And scored 7 goals 7 assist for 14 points in 18 games the year before.
you guys didnt do your research on this one, could have uncovered THE single biggest trade tree ever. Now you have to wait and see when I release the tree
It shows how trading, picking at the draft is not an exact science.
Let’s revisit it. Fox was best player, Lindholm though 🙌🏽