Friend of the Krays Reacts to Tom Hardy in Legend (Jack McVitie, George Cornell, Charlie Richardson)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 มิ.ย. 2024
- Watch as ex-British gangster Stephen Gillen reacts to another film that is very personal to him: Legend (2015). As someone, who knew Reggie Kray very well, as well as Charlie Kray, Stephen gives insider knowledge and secrets about the history of the Kray twins. He also talks about his own history with people like Jack 'The Hat' McVitie, George 'The Blind Beggar' Cornell, and Charlie Richardson. Is Tom Hardy's performance authentic to the men themselves? Does the film do them justice? Stay till the end to find out his thoughts.
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Timestamps
00:00 Teaser
00:14 Intro
01:04 Film reaction
16:34 Was Tom Hardy authentic?
17:05 Reggie Kray vs Charles Bronson
17:40 Views on homosexuality
18:18 Treatment of women in that life?
18:57 Reggie's final days
21:24 Did Reggie Kray have regrets?
21:46 Tom Hardy's performance?
22:31 Is the film authentic?
23:07 What's the message?
23:29 Was it too violent?
23:55 Film review
24:48 Outro
25:16 Charlie Kray story - บันเทิง
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Awesome to see the perspective of someone who knew the twins, out of interest if you have the time what do you think of the omission of Charlie Kay from the movie, as there is no mention of him in the film.
Much respect and love as well for giving as unbiased a view as possible
@@DoddseyyYeah is odd. I guess they figured an extra brother would throw off the twin thing. Plus the movie does a bad job of portraying them. Krays in reality were only big in South London and wanted to be as big as the Richardson's who were more in line with OC and business ventures all around the world. Movie was good for what it was though. Check out Charlie from 2000 with Luke Goss too
@@Doddseyythe best film was the 90s Kemp Film. They told it properly.
this film is highly underrated and is a brilliant showcase of Tom Hardy's acting!
Everything that ever happened is underrated
@@DaveTaste that kind of sounds like one of those ''you miss every shot you don't take''-type of statements lol
@@DaveTaste Everything is underrated AND "brilliant." If this knob said it was a CLASSIC then he'd hit the trifecta of overused termonology on TH-cam.
@@LumpyAdams some things are criminally underrated too.
The film's Downfall is how historically inaccurate it is.
A few people from that era have said that they'd much rather fight Ronnie than Reggie, because Ron was a lot slower, and left himself open to counters, whereas Reggie had much more of a boxer's speed, accuracy and instincts.
In any kind of negotiation though, they'd rather deal with Reg, because Ronnie was so prone to irrationality and sudden, extreme violence.
A terrifying double act, both bright men, it seems, Both handy in violent situations, but having to deal with them both in any context must have been very unsettling
@@RJ-wx3fh both as thick as shit. Tough. But thick
Ronnie allegedly took a beating off Cornell in a pub car park, which led to the revenge killing.
@@rossdawson5575
Yeah, I heard a similar account, that they had a set-to at a club on a night out, which ended with their respective groups of friends breaking it up, and pulling them apart.
But before they did, it was Cornell who was dominating.
So although his crew were saying "C'mon Ronnie, leave it, he ain't worth it" etc., everyone there knew if they'd let it play out, George would have absolutely pummelled Ron.
As you say, hence why Ronnie decided he 'had to go', and made his move when the rest of the Richardson mob were either in hospital, in hiding, or in the nick.
Wow what great input! Also after looking at these scenes it kinda seems like they were aware of that and Tom brought a unique way of fighting to each brother
My Dad had a workmate named Archie, a Glaseegian. He told the story of when he first left Glasgow in the early 60sto move down to London to find work aged just 18. He ended up staying in the East End and in his first week there he went in to a little greasy spoon caff one morning for breakfast. He noticed that there were only two other customers in the caff, two men who were dressed like City gents in fine, expensive looking suits. As Archie was eating, he noticed one of the men kept looking at him, really staring him out. Archie being a typical young wide boy Glaswegian grew increasingly annoyed by this and eventually his patience ran out and he snapped at the man "D'ye want a photie?!?" at which point the other gent at the table, who had been simply reading his paper and drinking his tea the whole time, looked up, folded up the paper got up and came right up to Archie, leaning RIGHT over him and said very softly yet VERY menacingly right into Archie's ear "Sonny, you're a very young lad, obviously not from around 'ere and you clearly have no idea who me and my brother are. Apologise to my brother and we'll say no more about it." Archie instantly did exactly as he was asked, left the rest of his breakfast and BOLTED! So that was the story of how my Dad's pal Archie met Ronnie and Reggie Kray!!!
Being a Glesga boy myself I'd Love mer input such as I Love our legend's wherever wee Glasgow troops venture
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He was a smart lad, that Archie.
Evidently, Archie was introduced to the wisdom of picking (and not!) your fights carefully. A cautionary tale indeed and one Archie may have been fortunate enough to live to tell. Cool story 😃
@@MikeGervasi The whispering twin was no doughnut that morning either!
Paranoid schizophrenic walks into a bar my favourite joke
Hopefully not your only one.
My Uncle was a Taxi driver and once picked them up. Was told if anyone gives him trouble he was to come to them.
good he didn't. That's textbook stuff for getting someone in your pocket lol.
I am often amazed by how many ‘Old friends’ the Krays had.
This one was born 2 years after they went to prison for life.
@@archbishoporlok273😂😂
@@archbishoporlok273 Yeah unless this guy is in his 80's the math aint mathing...
He said he met them in prison
Everyone who came from the East End has a story. My Dad was from Custom House London and knew Frances Sheas brother so not the Krays but knew the fallout of her suicide. He weren’t a gangster, he was a docker. Then there are third hand stories ………I agree, look at the funerals, but everyone has stories.
It must have been hard for Reggie kmowing that Ronnie was the reason why they were both in prison for the rest of their lives.
The killing of Jack. Jack was angry at the twins because they never respected him, that was probably because he would drink a lot of alcohol and take drugs, then he would become very loud and aggressive, which annoyed the twins. The final point came when Jack entered a pub frequented by the twins with a shotgun, his drunken fueled intention was to shoot them but they were not there at that time.
The twins had had enough of Jacks behavior and decided to give him a warning, just a warning. The plan was to pretend there was a party and invite him, they used a flat owned by a girl who was asked to leave for the night. A couple of the twins associates went to Jack and asked him if he'd like to attend a party which of course he accepted. When he arrived he was met by Reggie who told him that in no uncertain terms was he to continue with his behavior-Evidently Reggie punched him-At which point Jack began to leave the room, however being in a drunken state, and annoyed with the twins, he turned around and returned and began arguing with Reggie. At which point Reggie produced a gun and pointed it at Jack-At this point Reggie was psychologically and emotionally disturbed by the death of Francis-Reggie pulled the trigger but the gun failed to fire, Ronnie then produced a knife handed it to Reggie and the rest is history.
Jack was never supposed to have died that night.
Really enjoyed that , this guy seems very genuine, a lot of people who claim to have known the Kray's put them down and make out like they were a couple of jokers in a strange attempt to big themselves up , but this guy had no hidden agendas.
You sir need to be in film or television, you would make a great actor, articulate in what you say and you have a striking look, as ive said before Robert De Niro springs to mind
Was thinking the same.
some don't get lucky breaks come from drug drink brutalised familys on the streets at 12/13 crime is all they have
Scotland Yard
Everyone don't want to be in fucking film or television
wow, I was thinking the same thing. If I made movies I would seek him out
I didn’t think I’d watch all the way through because almost 30 minutes for a movie review seemed long but the time flew by. Very interesting and your personal knowledge provided so much extra detail. Thank you for a great clip
Then there is me, no idea what this movie is about and watched the whole review.
I love hearing your stories and you telling us your input on how you think they were portrayed and just on the actual people themselves. I'd actually much rather hear these things from someone who actually knew these people. Thank you for sharing your experiences and input Stephen!
"He's a fucking peeping Tom!" 😂 Charlie sounded like a funny guy
I agree. But he didn’t know them very well. They were born in 1933, and this dude is not 90. If he is 70, he was 17 when the krays went to prison
@@teijeveenstra7806 exactly, I guess anyone who was born can make a video with hand me down stories from their grandad
Most are dead... but there's a guy called John hiebner who knew them both... he looked after reg in his late years in prison....
@@teijeveenstra7806 This guy didn’t even move to London until 1979, and the Krays had been locked up for 10 years by then. I’d say he didn’t know them personally at all, and he definitely didn’t know them while they were still operating.
I think this has been my favourite segment you’ve done Mr. G. Great commentary! Great stories. Felt very front row seating. Well done.👍
This was a fantastic video! The editing is great and the stories are super captivating and interesting. Big fan 😊
Man...I am speechless. You have so much insider information it's amazing. You've earned my subscription
I remember seeing Reg on TV in the 90s. He seemed quite calm and reserved as he got older.
Cheers
I always loved the bar fight scene , so many great lines
The only bad part of the film was telling it through the eyes of Frances rather than another character such as Charlie or Violet.
Agreed👍
Really enjoyed this one. I particularly liked the little anecdote at the end. A good illustration of the bits of humour needed in a difficult situation such as incarceration.
Subscribed to your channel just on the strength of this video. I've read more books on the Krays era than I can remember, and hearing the things you speak about that I've read elsewhere, I know this video is bang on accurate. Nice work, sir.
EDIT: Dunno if you've already done it, but a reaction video to the Kemp brothers film about the Krays would be good to see. I always thought it was a bit of a TV movie, wasn't done fantastically well, and Tom Hardy's movie and performance put it to shame.
I recently watched the film again, and believe it is the best portayal of how it really was in the days, Tom Hardy plays both roles with an amazing portrayal of the differences between these men. I believe the violence portrayed, using fists and tools, is far more shocking to our eyes than using guns. Times were depressing, London partly destroyed and being rebuilt, chances for new businesses...and enough people taking their chances, wanting a piece of it. Thanks so much for this review that demonstrates how the times emerged from the rubble of war and destruction of a different era.
The Kemp brothers visited the Krays in prison/Broadmoor. Gary Kemp also read up on paranoid schizophrenia so he can portray Ronnie Kray as close to real life as possible
Enjoyin this one. Thanks Stephen
It's understandable that the true brutality of 1960s east end gangland is watered down for film as most would find it too horrific if it were portrayed truly accurately. Personally I think Legend got the balance just about right making the film watchable but giving the audience an understanding of the kind of world they Kray's lived in. To my mind 8/10 is about right, it's a great film and got the balance of story telling and brutal reality about right.
Just found this today-absolutely outstanding firsthand account, cultural analysis, and film critique. Thank you!
This is brilliant! I could watch Mr Gillen all day
Great video really enjoyed and thanks for that, stay well.
Eddie Richardsons book was a hard but engaging read. He had his own opinions about the Brothers, however the real torture gang were the Richardsons. Charlie was basically the Down fall. Great content.
They were never known as the torture gang before the trial
Very interesting .. Great stuff. Thanks for posting this!
Thr "gimme that" after Ronnie gets his nose broken sends me everytime
Love the way this dude speaks and explains things
I'm in the USA and had never heard of these guys, until I saw that movie. I liked it. Thank you for sharing your insight. I'm curious and interested in finding out more about your production company.
Glad you enjoyed it. My production company roarmediacreative.com
You have lived the life and come through the other side and carved a successful career for yourself Stephen.I respect that,you have a new subscriber m8.
Amazing 👏 I use to have you Steven on Facebook I'm no longer on there but your such a genuine bloke you have achieved alot of good things carry on the good work loved reading this thank you
Thank you, Stephen. That was very engaging and authentic. Great content.
Would love to see more about Charlie Kray because he was a smart interesting character, and hard-done by - by the police, the courts and by most kray biographers. I met him in about 1980 and was charmed immediately. Found him to be frank, generous, thoughtful, courteous and very intelligent. He was also very revealing and his role in events is bigger than most people seem to think (but mostly in a good way). He ended his days with a 12 year stretch that was a complete fit-up by the police. Even now it isn't too late to prosecute those officers for corruption and give Charlie's family compensation for those lost years. A good man.
him and his brothers were nonces he was nothing as what you just called him mate
Another nonce just like his brothers.
@@jjjjj858knew him did ya?
Subscribed. Thanks for the videos
This is a fantastic insight from a guy that quite clearly has a lot of insider’s information, absolutely brilliant video, you’ve got yourself a happy subscriber Stephen!!😊
I'm new to your content Stephen, I watched your Bronson episode yesterday, this was just as brilliant. Thank you
I thought this was Variety or something. Just noticed its your personal TH-cam. Thats cool! Keep On Keepin On!
Nuanced reviewing from someone who knew them. Good stuff.
By the way, you understand the ever loving crap out of film production and script writing.
Enjoyed it. Thanks!
That was amazing! Hearing a reaction from someone who knew them, who can relate and explain through personal experience. Legendary reaction to Legend
TOTALLY!! There's nothing like hearing it from someone who actually knows! 👍
Can y’all explain how he knew them? When he was a kid when they went to jail?
@@Ishbikes exactly. he talks about being around in the 60's, but he`s 51 lol
He never met them! Lying crims remain lying crims
Insightful as always. Would you review rise of the foot soldiers?
Funnily enough me and my mrs ReWatched 'Legend' earlier on today..
Great film, Tom Hardy was amazing portraying BOTH brothers absolutely mind blowing
What i love about the bar fight was the reason that Ronnie left was because he thought they were going to have a gun fight so he brought his gun
but once they revealed that they were using hand weapons instead, he had to go get his hammers from the car and was pissed off about having to do that.
Didnt have a gun on him... It was a rouse to leave and return with weapons
@@kayrichardson1321Yep.
Stephen your eloquence and knowledge has sucked me in. I grew up around violence and gangs, but we're talking mindless and far from organised, hence the growth of knife crime in London especially. The violence is never strategic or based on respect, but random. I spent most of my working life, working with young people at risk and trying to make my experiences make a difference. I don't hold gangsterism in some sparkly world, as I know where it starts and also the damage it does. But if you are working class whether black or white, it's always an outlet and factor in so many lives. Thanks for your insights.
Really interesting to watch this video and your perspective on this. Loved this film Tom Hardy is very talented and can easily switch different characters. Have happy new years man and hope 2023 treats you well.
The original Krays film with the Kemp brothers is the best one
Great stuff again mate :),I remember seeing a comedy series called Brass Eye in the 90`s when Frankie Fraser made a brief appearance
Top notch Stephen seen a couple of other bits on here very good and put over very well !! Keep them coming
Soooo interesting, could listen to you talk all day. Great content.
Thankyou for your candour, your clear and eloquent honesty and bringing such truths to light so many years later when it feels like much may be myth or…legend (yeah yeah). Sir you are an absolute treasure in this social technology age, a time when your genuine experiences relevant to this film can be put to video and endure beyond your (we can only hope) long years.
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Proper thinking man, great interview!
Good video Stephen. Honest as always..
Cheers Steven great work glad your on the straight and narrow God bless you mate
Thank you for your invaluable insight, Mr. Gillen - We're all appreciative for your time. YOU'RE actually the fucking Legend, mate.
What a great personality sir ,I could listen for hours ,from west London ❤🇬🇧
I enjoyed this .One of the pubs they used in the film is near to where I live and only a 10 minute walk to where George Cornell is buried
This sir has a great accent, the pleasure of hearing it from the man who knew Cray twins themselves is something out of this world. He should have his own bio depicted, I tell you🔥🔥
He was too young to know the Krays. Get a calculator.
I really enjoy this channel. Stephen gives very balanced and considerate opinions and answers.
Thanks for this extremely interesting look at the film Legend, Stephen's input really good especially as he was basically there at the time and knew most of those involved.
The film itself I could not wait to see and was definitely not disappointed, the actual tricks used to make one actor play two close parts was amazing and all compliments to the producers and of course the great Tom Hardy.
Thanks so much for this glimpse into a great film, two interesting characters and for Stephen giving his very valued opinion.
I worked on the VFX for this film, doing the face replacements and split screens for Tom. Good times! 😀
@@mrfixit426 Well done on this, great work and amazing film!
@@derekstocker6661 Thanks so much!
@@mrfixit426 More than welcome, keep up the great work!
He wasn’t there at the time at all. From what I’ve read, this guy was born in 1969, the same year the Krays went to prison, and didn’t move to London until 1979 (at 10 years old). He may have lived around the same area, but definitely not at the same time as the Kray twins
A really great review of the movie Stephen. Well done.
So happy I found this channel
I remember seeing Charlie in a club I used to go to with my dad on sat afternoons when I was a kid . I’d go there and play pool with other kids , my dad used to drink in he’s company . The club was the Stubbs club Forest Gate/ Stratford.. was early 80s . Great memories.
Nice of you to mention Mr. Pyle. R.I.P. I have to say hello, love and respect to my brother Mitch Pyle from Boyce and Billy Bronco .
Was kinda shocked hearing you mention E Pellicci - great caf that's still going! Top area, so much history and character
Great review Stephen 👍 someone who actually knew them 👏
great podcast keep up the great work
Hi Steven it's trev dec singer songwriter here just to say hello and this one is brilliant God bless Declan xxx keep up the good work
it's fascinating listening to someone who knew the krays first hand rather than listening to a documentary assuming what they were like just through media stories thank you for this Stephen
He didn't know the Krays first hand he was ten when they went down
Do the maths. Gangsters that knew the Krays are pensioners now.
@@michaelharrison3602 Not even that, he was born in 1969 from what I’ve read, the same year the Krays got sentenced, and didn’t move to London until 1979
Liked that insite .love the film and obviously poetic License but your knowledge and what your saying makes the film as good as it was .through the interview I'm thinking this guy knows a bit more about the filming side .at the end you say what you do and it all tied in nicely .liked the honesty in what you were saying .Genuine great.
Great video Stephen 💯🍿
This was great thanks for he’s stories
Love this channel you have a lot of respect for the dead and the living still. Non biased opinion keep them coming
Very thankful he made these videos to help people get a better picture of the real deal v media portrayal.
I once idolized being a gangster and thankful people like this come along and remind people like me of where it leads really and the damage it does.
Being street wise is all you have to be.
Thankyou this is a great video
At the time Legend was done there was a two part Krays movie that was also really good, I’d love to see another episode were he discusses that movie based on what he said about the Krays and Legend ;-)
Loved the vid, I don’t know if it was your decision on how it was produced but I’d like to see the clips watched get paused every time you comment as there’s so much going on that I’d like to hear your insight on, many blessings
But how old is this guy to have been friends with the Kray twins? He looks very good for his age.
He's 50, he must of been in his 20's and reggie was in his 60's when they in prison together
My boss grew up in the East end, and said that he was a collector growing up. I asked if he knew the Krays, and he would only say he seen them around and trained in the same gym. I figured that he collected for them, because who else would her work for, but he gets "dodgey" when I ask about them...
Ya boss is old school 👍
This film was very generous to The Krays having Tom Hardy play them.
Fascinating ! Excellent video
Oh man this is gonna be a good one
Great perspective from someone who was acquainted with the Krays. Would you do a react/review of the Kemp brothers version? And compare that to Legend.
Some great gems of wisdom handed out in this vid. Great review.
I worked at York hall 87-89, good night out in Bethnal Green especially on a Sunday night.
Alll this stuff is so interesting haha, instant sub!
Tom Hardy in Peaky Blinders. Superb.
Good actor when the parts are well written!
Really intresting video thank you.
Really interesting video, thanks
Really interesting and informative 👍
Great to see these people discussed in terms of the different sides of their characters, that people aren't one-sided and easily defined, which a lot of folks forget when condemning them.
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Great analysis Stephen
That was excellent, very interesting video.
very articulate analysis, which isn't typical from the POV of an ex gangster.
That clip where Ronnie Kray is leaving the pub @2:15 I was getting worried because he is going the wrong way. I thought this was a different cut of the film that I hadn't see and I was feeling pissed off. Then it twigged that it had to be mirrored, and sure enough the text on the pub wall is back to front. I must have watched that scene a dozen times. Tom Hardy is one of my all time favourite actors, and Legend is one of his very best films. As it happens I watched Stephen talk about Layer Cake before watching this video, and Daniel Craig is another of my all time favourite actors.
Great review
17:54
"Ronnie Ronnie, ronnieeeee..."
Hilarious
like a TL;DR for their story lol.
This was a really good review, I really enjoyed it. I'm a big TH fan, so of course I liked Legend.
I also enjoyed the The Krays with the Kemp brothers. I found that film to be slightly darker than TH's version, but equally as good.