The Kray Documentaries The Inside Story The Krays Behind Bars
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Freddie Foreman is the real legend he's got so much respect any respects people with tears in his eyes that's what a true man is
One has to wonder if the drugs that Ronnie was put on contributed to his heart attack.
Freddie Foreman is such a likeable character. I could listen to him talking all day.
Agreed
Freddie Foreman is the only one who strikes me as having genuine intelligence, heart, humour and insight. He seems to have mellowed with age and it’s never too late for that.x
I agree 100% . He also has remorse ❤
Freddie foreman. Proper villain. Always had proper money about him. One game fella. Worked for no one.
In the 90s, David McVittie, who was Director of Finance at Lewisham Hospital (and went on to become Chief Executive of Ealing Hospital) told us at an office night out that he was related to Jack the Hat
Its now openly admitted that the home secretary got involved in the trial, the judge admitted to being prejudiced, the sentences were excessive and some of those charged were innocent. The reason was less "to deter the working class" than it was to conceal the criminality of the Krays high society associates: not only peers, MPs and media celebrities but large numbers of police officers, especially in the Met. This was the real reason the gang were made "double A" prisoners - to make it hard for them to get any compromising information out into the public domain. As a result of this attitude, corrupt police officers continued to run the Met and neighbouring constabularies and to organise jailbreaks, bullion robberies, murders and protection rackets. The same attitude resulted in now well publicised miscarriages of justice like the Guildford 4 and the Birmingham 6. The lingering conclusion to draw is that the biggest crooks then and now are in government.
Fair play what a great comment very well informed about the krays brothers respect peace out
This hasn't changed.
Let
There's no English firm's now all the top shelf villians are non nationals and the Brits work for them, the days of the krays are gone it's sad they could have built something that would last. There name's will last but look deeper and you get two clowns in sharp suits whose reputation was bigger than them, in Glasgow or Dublin they wouldn't have lived so long.
Death sentence justified. Violence continued post imprisonment
So they were bullies , and later , gangsters for 13 years ,
Then " they got imprisoned ,
and died in prison ,
what a waste , of the one and only life " as far as We know .
I remember seeing Dave Courtney on visiting Reg called him the piss boy because he'd tell him what to do and Dave would piss off and do it . They used every one.
If you’re going to comment,can you make sure it’s factual and not crap? Reg didn’t die in prison,he got out before he died
Before my time. but I still love to here there storys today. especially told by Freddie Foreman and fred dinenage.
Thank you
Everyone has there opinions but when you see freddie foreman almost in tears you see the respect
At the beginning he was saying he was gonna kill him! Lol
@@showmevids1984 he did, but I think the reason to kill them wasn't personal, I've heard him say in other interviews that the underworld wanted them gone because Ronnie particularly, was out of control and would have carried on murdering people bringing the attention and bad press on the rest of the London criminal fraternity, and if you killed one brother you would have to kill the other. Sensible successful criminals don't want the heat from the police or the fame in the newspapers. The Krays were affecting everyone else's criminal enterprises with there blasé, 'we are untouchable' 'we don't care' behavior and attitude.
If they hadnt been arrested when they where it was on the cards to have them taken out
Freddie foreman was going to put a bullet in the both of them asking Freddie to do stuff but Freddie foreman would of had no problems getting rid of them two..
A like listening to freddie foreman. He seems such a timid quiet guy. And was loyal right to the end. And he got 15 years.
Last word on those two fools from the detective who caged them.Nipper Read"There was no bright side to the Krays.They were not even good to their own type.When they were caught it was every man for himself and the Krays did not care once they were allright Jack".
A lot that they would like to have kept quiet has come out.
they would never get away with that these days-they would be dispatched by local drug dealers within days.it was a very small area they controlled back then,totally different world these days tho.
They would of took over most of london, so the drug dealers would of prob been working for them
Agree. Dealer turf wars in London are brutal. Day time is fine. But after 9pm, the sensible stay indoors.
My dad allways said you live by the sword you die by the sword he didn't know them but his brother Pablo my uncle knew Frank frazer. Who was with the Richardson brothers back in the day Freddie foremans.son Jamie forman.hes an actor now his life went the other way didn't it fair play to him
👉 thanks sweetheart its true though isn't it 👉 for you 💜 💙 🤍 🤗 💯💯
My dad spent most of his life in and out of prison
I said I'm not going down that path ,
and I didn't ,
And nor did my brother ,
but the other kids he had ,
to other people ," did .
they went down the same route as him , and ones in prison now serving 10 years ;
But before the long jail sentence , the police knew his name anyway . So he wasn't a law-abiding citizen
" was he .
so my father's , criminality rubbed up on him ,
but it didn't rub on us
because we were adopted to a decent family ,
After our mum had died
because my so-called father was a f***ing knob head
and now he is 75 he wants to be the good guy .
I think it's a bit late for that now
" don't you 😡 .
Freddie foreman seems to me the most believable, I seen lots of clips of him and he talks too fast to be making stuff up, it's just his memories flooding back,,,, but he was still a villain
Freddie foreman is the real "legend here,stil alive today,what a man,a gentleman
Fred wasn't technically a gangster he was a bank robber and did odd jobs for the krays like disposing of bodys but in terms of being a gangster he wasn't but depends on what people determine a gangster is but foreman wasn't a gangster like the krays
He is a filthy murderer. He killed Frank Mitchell for nothing.
@@cocksure8430 still alive he’s 90 ,maybe your thinking of F.Fraser.
The Real Deal. No doubt.
@@nigecheshire9854 Freddie foreman must be 90 but he is still alive
They were proper gangsters and walked the walk simple as that.
I've got a couple of mates who was with Reg in HMP Wayland.
Not you aswell?
Reggie said that the Lambrinio brothers were a couple of grasses
They should've never have been given 30years especially Reggie
For what ??
Killing one gangster
When you go into the prison system and some producer wants to buy the rights to your story to make a film 🎥
You shouldn't be allowed any money in exchange
10 years earlier, they would have got the death penalty.
@jackwatsonepic626 government put these murders away but also let them thrive hypocrisy at it's finest
The Judiciary did exactly the same to the Great Train Robbers. Even some of those who played only minor parts ended up in Special Security Units.
Funny how they say the krays were gonna be killed now that their dead. I don't believe that at all
Alfry agree with you ,when they were alive no one would dare openly disrespect them.
Always the realist
George Cornell was a hard man, in a straightener he would have taken Ron Kray
It's a question,I was locked up and down the block and met a geezer called Chris lambre? now I need to no this when i went back to the landing I went into Chris,s cell he had a photo of himself and his brother Tony and the twins we where on the same landing for a while but he would go the hospital every week a friend of ours would help him he had cancer so one of his trips to the hospital he never came back i was told he died now in this documentary there's a chris lambreano sorry I can't spell his name so this chirs has put on alot of weight and looks like him when I met him he was doing eight years and had no theat oh the eight years was for an eight years was for an eight of b so did he get out r is that his brother he got eight just because of his brother's tie's with the twins I'd like to think he got out an well for a few years he would be gone now this was in bullington prison around 94 he had a photo of himself and Tony and the twins like i said but can anyone tell me if that was him because he left for hospital and never came back the screw's would tell us nothing would like to no he was a nice guy and it's true in there we r all the same no matter who you are out side u a dape and get on with it.🤬
"All they thought about was what they looked like" 😁
A gangster life is short and sweet. There is always someone around the corner who whats your reputation. Simple thn its all over . It was prison that give them a life . Would not last 10 mins in this day and age seriously.
They'd probably be worse because today is soft
@@michaelharrison3602 it's like I have commented on Brian cockerill the taxman from Teesside Middlesbrough ;
When he hits his 70s and he can't move as fast as what he could when he was in his 40s (as an example) somebody who he taxed years ago , will get their revenge
like I have commented loads of times these sort of people don't forget
THEY " are not normal ordinary People 🤔
the groupie flanagan keeps appearing
Omg ur so rite & it's hilarious how they put the caption "model" underneath her, Jesus give it up 🥱 Flanagan 👵😱
A little known fact about the Krays is how they got a black eye when they tried and failed in spectacular fashion to take over west London.
How the fook do you get an OBE for being a prior inmate?
If you’re talking about Bobby Cummines well he has done a lot of good since his release from prison. He has helped reform criminals and a lot of misguided youths.
Too busy making f...ng fairy cakes, love legend and Tom Hardy.
I'm reading these K-Twins were only 5'7
And I just can't see their ora of fear
Or intimidation .
Ronnie was sent to Broadmoor, he was paranoid schizophrenic and died of a heart attack.
Ironic hey. Life sentence signifies end of life and this time it saved there life !!!
My two Dad's should never have been imprisoned
Frank Mitchell Rip
That's not a tool that's a fucking rolling pin
Bum Bandit Gangsters 🦍🦧
The Krays are still famous simply because they were the first 'gangsters' to become well known, it was just post war Britain trying to stay relevant by promoting them as a way of saying "we have interesting people like Al Capone as well".
Jack Spot and Billy Hill?
We all know that they did bad things however they were right about Jim fix it back in the late 70ss and 80s however who gets the money from the books and film s now that they all gone
I didnt know till only ten years ago that most of there firm turnend queens evidence? There firm wouldnt have lasted long in glasgow and paisley. It would be to mental for them. The twins worked with arthur thompson the glasgow godfather, so what does that tell you when they had to get arthur to do the heavy duty work for them? Maybe there own firm wernt up for it or couldnt be trusted to do it right. But the twins instinct was right about trusting them about getting cought doing the heavy duty jobs to then keep there mouths shut if arrested, as it was something like 30 statements they all gave in two weeks, to save there own skin. Freddie foreman said it here. A true hard man was wee fred and credit also to the two lambriano brothers as tony got 12 years i think and big chris got 15 and chris wasnt really in the firm his brother was. But they showed there metal all the way to the end. We never hear much about what happend to the ones that took deals to walk free or not even face a trial in court. What happend to all of them? Surely the twins would have had them? But i have seen at least 5 of them giving interviews at least 4 times about the firm that they still call it to this day? Ffs. Thats being a bit bold or they must know the twins in jail are nothing. I have heard at least 4 of there old firm members who never got jailed, say they were just leeches, pure ponces, thats all they were really to me anyway. Another 1 said they were bullys and hated, name one guy that likes them? And a mean someone that knew them well enough back in the day not just some two bob fan or kray hero worshippers that didnt even know them or see them. We worked for them and we seen it all, tell me how many celebrities go and visit them in jail and have did? And a bet you cant name one, if ye own a nice club of course your going to get your photos taken with famous people even for a night. Becouse its always those same one off photos, i am even in some of them, just becouse i happend to be there, did i want to be in the photos? Not really. Did the twins yes all the time. Couse its not hard to see that these people arent your friends, there just posing for a photo becouse there in the club. How many more clubs do you think they went to that night? Lots of them. They would have done well if they didnt kill george cornell and jack mcvitie. That was a huge blunder. The biggest one. But there was a team that were going to take them out and its very true if they walked for the murders, it was known but not well known that they were getting ready to take the twins out in about a month at most, a team that were very capable and knew there weakness that they thought they wouldnt be harmend, a huge mistake to believe that in the life they were in. It was jail that saved them?
The Krays wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes in Liverpool
They'd have been knocking on the door of Admiral Street asking for protection.
The accent alone would have sent them straight bk home 😱
Who on earth would want to be anywhere nearer than a hundred miles of Liverpool. Scallywags.
Why is this women so proud to know them and run about for them…Diana Dors apparently new them well……
you would only need to look at the state of them to know why.
Think that you mean ‘woman’ don’t you? Doh!
Because Diana Dors had reggies Harry Monk dripping down her Boat nearly every day 🤔
Work it out , money , nights out . Why wouldn’t women want that
Because she's made alot of money out of giving interviews about them like most of their friends have
Pair of fannies the krays
They were a couple of poofs mate. God knows how many gay rapes they were responsible for. A couple of more months on the street and they were finished. Which is what the pair of them deserved.
You would say that now wouldn’t you because there dead shit house
I bet you would have said it to their face 😂
Freddie you went to there funerals
No wonder frankie frazer near donr you in
Most people over the age of 45 will know a bit about the krays or what they were. And i have thought a few times that why would these two men who had lots of money and an easy going life style kill two men who were not even a threat. When i read and watched more about them about 15 years ago, that ronnie had been batterd by george cornell like he had never been batterd before and after the fight they both aggreed it would end there. And go no further. And it was well kept quiet. But ronnie couldnt handle it, he had been punshend and kickcked till cornell said its a square go and i dont want to go to far. Infront of at least 4 of ronnies firm. He couldnt let it go. And was always going to shoot him as thats the only way ron would win. Then ron who i didnt know then was really sick. Would torment reg to kill jack mcvitie and for what? Reg had no chance with a sick man who was clearly the boss from the off. Alot of people that knew them very well said they were just ponces, leeches, that took off guys that had the guts to do the real work like bank jobs, the heavy duty stuff, the twins didnt have the guts for that type of work. Taking over pubs by bullying these guys into it. And seemingly jailed saved them, as it says here. They were going to killed just before they were arrested and jailed, wich these guys didnt know about, and if they walked as free men it was still going to happen, it was just put on hold. Reg was more of the businness man but that cant work when the main man is sick and paranoid. But a liked the way there own people guys they grew up with and worked with just told the truth and said uck come on we all know it. Pure ponces. And there classesd as icons, alot of crap.
Sour grapes talking. The underworld is always run that way. The big guys don't take the risks, they just take a cut. That's always the way. And in that respect its exactly the same as legal businesses too, in case you hadn't noticed.
Weed is altering you to the nearest Burger King, that’s it. What did the toxicology report really show
Forever the £££ and publicity with the Krays. Deserved everything they got in the end
Both we into boys, nothing wrong with that, only Ronnie was passive, Reg was deffo tops.
Goes to show not all guys are fairies; we all know what happened when George Cornel called Ron a fat poof
How do you know who was top or bottom you mug ?
Too many crooked miles for too few crooked tanners.
People talk of respect and the bullshit that when the krays were around you could leave your front door open, this is a fantasy back then everyone everywhere could leave there front doors open, we had nothing worth stealing, the krays were thugs and bullies who quite rightly got life in prison, its all very well talking about freddie foreman crying, just another thug, the true heroes of the day were men like my father, who was the krays mother violets post man, getting up every morning and doing an honest days work, the thugs of this era disgust me to be honest and i hate the fact they made money from it, if you brought a kray tee shirt back in the day then shame on you, life is not about respect its about family, frankie frazer did 42 years inside, A, what a shit criminal and B, what about his family left outside, yeah respect to you all, you were all so clever to spend years and years locked up
They will live forever
RIP🙏 Ronnie and Reggie
Deviants.
Ca
Wilf pine full of it.his tales get taller an taller.freddie must have realised they gone
An wud take him down with them.if u pull a stroke for sum one whos drawing in more heat than the desert.u can follow fred an his teams thought process
I dont understand why criminals who made their money by violently taking it from people who earnt it through hard work are seen as working class heroes when it was working class people who they were robbing. Those who lionise these people dont understand the day to day wrongs they committed against hard working working class people they lived around, that aint good or decent at all, why think it is?
Death sentence justified. Continued harm and violence post imprisonment
Dr liz yardley joke
Gangsters these days have no charisma or style. Maybe it's legend but who will be remembered from today's thugs?
Sure they were merciless and cowardly. As they all are but they are part of London 60s lore.
Thew would have swapped it all to be released. I was eight when they went to prison. It looked cool but looks deceive, poverty was the order of the day. 👊☘️
I truly don't think they'd swap a minute.
I don't think they'd have swapped nothing! They loved the game the fame they had power behind the walls that they'd never have held if free. Inside the true gangsters let them be but took no shit either, Reggie always knew who he could manipulate.
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Both gay Ronnie nomce
frasers sons what a joke
I'm only 28 but I've always being fascinated with the krays I think what they got was disgusting they never hurt anyone innocent
They were animals that had to go
@@harleyplant7094they were animals that had to go if they were dogs they would have been put down
Why didn't they leave them poor lads alone???They didn't do nothing wrong that's all Tommy rot
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