Yeah, but with every new product is the same; AMD or Nvidia; new products are released and the first batches are sold out super quickly and then it could pass months before new stock arrives, and the Corona hoax is not helping either....
I don't actually care about 5%. If big Navi is 2-5% slower than the 3080, then it's still good enough for running the same games on the same settings. I don't want AMD to be faster than Nvidia, just fast enough to be an alternative in the same class. Like the difference between a Mercedes and a BMW, there are a few but you don't actually care about the last tad.
Even 10% cheaper is good enough for me. I am selling my RTX 2070 SUPER and grabbing a 6900XT. Or maybe their top tier will be the 6800XT. Either way....
@@charu1473 ok, for me both brands are just to spend your money and flex. The same way that someone who doesn't really care about pc stuff thinks about GPUs.
Tbf 4k is expensive to upgrade to, but one year ago I bought a 144Hz monitor for less than 200 bucks for esport titles and it's just so nice (even with the budget at the time 6+ year old hardware I run)
I can barely tell the difference with 720 and 1080. But better FPS = less input lag. So you're not missing out completely. But I feel ya, I got the same kind of monitor.
Curious to see what happens. Personally own an RX 5700 and since the driver issues got fixed I had no issues with the card and essentially bought a 2060 super for 60-65% of the price.
Agreed. Very happy with my 5700xt (after the black screen fixes). I run most modern games at 4k with a mix of medium and high settings (Control is the outlier, cant run at 4k well at all so I do 1440 upscaled to 4k)
Stan GreyJoy I never had too many black screen issues (maybe 2 a month, and I play quite a lot of games), but when it did happen it was mega annoying. PC would take ages to start up again afterwards too. Since they fixed that its been perfect and I could not be happier with the value of my purchase. I’d go for an XT but the non-XT had a mega deal which made it like 70% of the price of an XT so I’d be crazy to not take that. Edit: its also VERY nice that the card supports up to 4 monitors without stupid VGA adapters and that shit, so I could hook up all my 3 screens without problems.
@@darianrobinson8937 I have a reference card so no RGB nonsense :P Hope they fix it for you though! Also, how did you get a GIF as a TH-cam profile pic? I didnt even know that was a thing!
@@toadbard well 5700xt is better than 2060 super and in finland you can get a 5700xt for 330€ and the cheapest 2060 super is 400€ i don't know where you've been checking the prices...
Same, yet here I am with a 3700x and an RX 5700 and I saved myself a ton of money compared to getting the same performance from Intel + Nvidia. Who would've thought this would happen so quickly when I built my first PC 4 or so years ago.
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@@marctoro96 Remember 2013? Their CPUs ran hot and slow, GPUs crashing... It's incredible how they managed to come back, especially on their limited budget.
KHS was sort of meaning in terms of features, I don’t really have any preferences with looks/brand just want the features, and RTX has been the think stopping me from going AMD on the GPU, but always ran AMD cpus anyways
there may not be a big navi 200-300 dollar card, BUT there is the RX 5300... with 3 gbs of vram... the vram alone is the reason i will not sell my 3 gig 1060 for the 5300.
Amd said they are still optimizing before release. Technically, card they showed could beat 3080 if they manage to squeeze couple of percent extra. That combined with possibility that this wasn't the biggest Navi, and this launch is starting to look very hopeful. One thing that worries me is they pull the same thing they did with Zen 3 and make big prices a thing
They have already been doing checkered board rendering and upscaling on the cards designed for the consoles even before dlss hopefully they can find some way to support it on there pc cards
Honestly it doesn't matter what reconstruction method they choose. Native 4K is dumb when that GPU power could be better spent on next-gen fidelity and performance
@@bearpuns5910 Honestly 1080 is about as high as most people need for a monitor, unless you're sitting a foot away from a 42 in monitor. The need for 4K gaming is coming more from the VR side of things where a 2K display for each eye still has people able to count the amount of pixels. We're going to need a 4K number of pixels to push VR headsets, with foveated rendering and this kind of upscaling may be the stop gap VR headsets need to actually worry about producing displays with that kind of pixel density... which is a challenge in and of itself.
@@SherrifOfNottingham yup, 1080p loookss very good even on a 60 inch TV, but some kind of upscaling is still a great addition, because aliasing is a bitch in 1080p
@@malathomas6141 you do realize they are not even close to being the same thing right? Why are you even comparing an ai upscaling algorithm that could have cost billion of dollar to a sharpening effect that could have been replicated with reshade entirely for free?
They have already been doing checkered board rendering and upscaling on the cards designed for the consoles even before dlss hopefully they can find some way to support it on there pc cards
They will have an upscaling technique, the consoles support it to run 4k. It won't work with AI but has something to do with precision? We have to wait for the release to truly know. Also this wasn't biggest Navi 👀
@@marcusborderlands6177 I have a 1080ti which is about on par with these. Im more talking about a current gen card for this slot. and the 3070 is a great deal better than those cards so its not really what im talking about
The biggest practical use case of "4K" gaming is going to be VR, where you basically need a 4K amount of pixels to render an image as clear like you're looking at a 2K monitor.
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though what they need to also focus on is that alot of people are planning to swap in a 3070 to their rig, if they can match nvidia while either being cheaper or more powerful withought a significant price jump they will likely get more sales from it
That has been AMD's market strategy for ages now, can't see why they'd change it Remember the 400/500 series? That shit brought GPU prices to their knee
Even if that happens Nvidia sheeps will keep buying Nvidia cards. Nvidia uses most of their budget on marketing. the 400/500 series got the prices down from 320$ for gtx 970 performance to 200$, yet people still bought Nvidia cards even if AMD were far superior. I still die a bit inside when i see people that bought 1050Ti cards when they could have bought a cheaper and much more powerful rx 570.
To be fair, a graphics card includes a top processor, top ram, PCB, cooler etc. So it is certainly not cheap, considering that were getting more and better parts every time. Doesn't mean the pricing isn't on the high side, but just keep that in mind.
this has been stated already in the comment section, but I don't care at all if it's 5% faster in game A or 5% slower in game B. I just want something that isn't stupid expensive and will actually be in stock so I can replace the 980ti in my current system.
This. I'm starting to get to the point where new games just don't run anymore, but paying 500€ for a new GPU is just way outside of what a normal person can do.
If big Navi provides ray tracing, and is competitively priced, I'm selling my rtx2070s and buying one. As an avid Linux user, AMD support still is a huuuuge selling point. I'm incredibly excited about this launch, because I want to use hardware that has decent support on my system, rather than having to faff around with Nvidia's proprietary drivers
I was finally able to back-order a 3080. They said it would take 2 weeks to get results. Just canceled it cause apparently it would take at *least* two months to even get a 3080 in stock. I have a much better chance of getting a Navi than a 3080 in those two months.
Navi 21A was shown. Navi 21B is the top tier. It is 150MHz faster in the core clock. Everything else is the same. Source??? Keep up with tech news and you won't need someone to hand you the source. Keep up. It's not hard. This is very much common knowledge now.
@@dimimen Gathered from reasonable guesses from being in the know with leakers on twitter and private discord servers, and from using logic. The card showed is twice as fast as the 5700XT, since we already know 5700XT is 40CUs and Big Navi is 80CUs or more, and considering the clock speed is much higher and there's IPC increases, better cache, etc it should scale a little better. Also as someone else said, AMD would not show their toppest tier card like that, they opened with 5900X and then showed 5950X at the end of the presentation, same logic here. You don't show your ace card like that.
I am happy about the potential of better competition for Nvidia. One thing I don't understand is people's incessantly saying they need to upgrade right away. I think that unless AMD shows up big time, Nvidia has pretty much assumed control of the market for this generation of cards. As far as I can tell people are willing to shell out even more than the stock price for them, Nvidia has got people in love with their product.
Man, I love how thoughtful and clear all your videos are, especially these hardware ones. I’ve been following the PC hardware scene for quite a long time and know how exciting and confusing it can be. So many leaks, speculation, and rabid fans defending these mega corporations to justify their purchases.... You manage to balance and present all that information in such an elegant and logical way. Thanks for what you do!
urgh what a surprise, I am sick of noone being able to compete with nvida, that means nvidia will just keep being free to overprice everything as usual
yes, the 3090 is unmatched. Its way overpriced and not worth it at all for 99.999% of people. But last year we saw a better alternative for nvidias 2060&2070 and even 2070s, and this year we can see that Amd is challeng the 3080. If they win that, even if with a bit worse performance but with much better value, they could gain control over a huge part of the market. Although the hype for the 30 series might hinder that a bit. I honestly didn't get the hype, every generation we have the same thing but this time the hype way way bigger for less reason
One thing to note with these benchmarks is that they are running on a 5900x, which in most games run better than any other CPU out now. this means that that score is a bit higher than it would be with a current CPU on the market. one could guess 5-10% better than a 10900k based on AMD's numbers from their presentation another thing is also that, as you mentioned, bordelands 3 is an AMD sponsored title, but COD is also one of the games that run the best on AMD graphics cards
"Nvidias cards are already out and people are buying them" I have to say this is a truth with a truckload of salt. I tried to get a card on release day without success and every retailer in my european country is saying delivery january 2021. So time will tell which graphics card will actually be out in the hands of more than 1% of consumers
You need to have the top of the market product, to be able to win over the majority of customers. People who bought the 1060 did not consider it was slower than the 580 for more money, they just bought it because it was two numbers less than the 1080, and that's the reason why Intel has a problem, because they are not the best anymore, and right now they aren't the best at anything.
i used to be subscribed to this channel back when i cared about csgo i might just come back with that sub for another reason now. the ol' good quality is still here and in fact it just improved so its a win-win
Man, I'm always amazed that control put so much emphasis on it's graphics with Ray Tracing and all that jazz, but then opted for 2004 animations for the movement of the characters.
You forgot the terrible graphic quality with lots of film grain noise and chromatic aberration. It literally consumes too much power for no visual quality gain, and it's quite obvious that they made a bad rasterization version to make RTX look better. Other games make better rasterization that looks like another skin (preference) like Metro exodus.
I am only just getting into hardware, and it's so overwhelming, so whilst i don't really understand, I feel like I've learnt something and that's to hope for big Navi to be good so that I can have more money to spend on VR games because watching your "VR isn't cool" video again, pushed me over the edge Hope you're doing good man
@@2kliksphilip Yeah it's certainly very exciting seeing where things go Think once the next graphics card comes out and the previous gens prices drop I might get myself a new graphics card to future proof myself for a while Thanks for peaking my interest into hardware
What I'm hoping is that because they're charging more for ryzen 5000 they will lower the price of big Navi. As they won't beat the 3080 in performance but they can still beat them in price to performance
Yeah, seems like these are the rules AMD are playing by. It’s totally logical, too. If they can’t demonstrate that they’re the best in every way, they can only compete in price.
It's a big jump from the 5700xt. Nvidia is the one that overclocked the cards like mad. 320-350 W per GPU is obscene. If AMD gets those results at 250 W, it's a steal.
Totally agree, after having the Radeon 7 i'll never buy a gpu again that can draw more than 300w. When it's a hot summer day it's not uncommon for my room to get 40C +
"Gears 5 created in partnership with AMD" Also Gears 5: Turing gets better performance than RDNA1. Pascal gets better performance than Polaris or Vega. Also Gears 5: AMD broke performance since 20.2.x drivers with Async On. Instead of increasing performance vs Async Off, it now makes performance WORSE than Async Off. Also Gears 5: Surprisingly CPU limited at 1080p, so a 5700 XT with Ryzen 3600-3950X is unable to run at 100% GPU load at all times, getting 80-90 fps instead of locked 1080p120.
I don't have anything AMD in my system, yet I love them. Thanks to them I was able to get a 9th gen i3 for 80€, and a 1060 (when released) for 190. I bet if AMD didn't exist intel and nvidia would just lay on their butt all day and do nothing to be competitive, but AMD is here to wake them up, and in the end everyone benefits from lower price and higher perfomance. Thank you, AMD.
@@2kliksphilip Both. I bought my processor (i3 9100f)/ mobo (h310m socket I think)/ ram (16gb 2400mhz) only a few months ago, and I'm very happy with the performance for dollar. However my 1060 since it's the 3gb version is starting to age a bit for what I'm doing with it (recent 3A titles, two 1080p screens) and it struggles a bit. So if something good shows up in the 200€ range from either AMD or Nvidia I may consider switching. TL;DR Won't upgrade anything processor side for 5 years, but depending on what's coming up in graphics card for 200€ I may buy AMD. Also hi, long time fan !
@@colossebdumont879 well once you upgrade your gpu, you might want to look into something with more cores for the future. ive run into a lot of games that use all 12 threads of my 3600, and some that used all 16 of my friends 3800x. sadly it seems like you bought last gens top of the line cpu, right when things are rapidly changing.
@@marcusborderlands6177 that was a bottom of the line cpu, anything worse would have been a pentium or celeron, I bought an i3, not i9... Also I just don't have the money to spend in more cores, otherwise I'd have bought an i5 9400f
@@colossebdumont879 im talking last gens best in terms of actual generations, none of this "here have another skylake, but with a new name" bs, like the old 4 core i7's etc. you basically bought a 6700 right around the time that the 6-8 core multithreaded cpu was becoming a thing. also, what cpu did you have before the 9100f?
Waiting for the price cut or 200-280 USD cards. Currently using 650 ti. YEAH! that old GPU is still with me! it has been a loyal friend of mine since 2013!
Bare in mind, that benchmark showed by AMD is from *A* big Navi card, we don't know if it's from the biggest Navi card, I hope it's not, why would they make it public then, they must know it's worse than the 3080, it only makes sense in my mind that those numbers aren't from their biggest card
Imagine the day finally comes and BOOM that benchmark was done on the lowest tier bug Navi and they have two cards above like whaaat But we know that ain't happening lol
@@quancena5772 Yes, and it's nonsense. If they have a bigger card, why would they not show it in their big presentation? Why would they make the big takeaway anything other than the best they have?
AMD raised the price for Zen 3 the moment it beats Intel's equivalent. You can expect more or less the same for the Navi line too. Remember, corporations are not our friend. Vote with your wallet.
But better competition in the GPU space is always better for the consumer. Nvidia needs a reason to not sell their cards at a quarter of a million dollars, and literally the only way for that to happen is with better competition. I don't really understand how AMD graphics can power the two biggest consoles every generation, PlayStation and Xbox, and yet they cannot compete properly in the high-end PC market.
Yeah but at least AMD does open source software that can be upgraded for years and not the glitchy mess that is Nvidia software that was deprecated and the only good thing at the end was DLSS. (and 2.0 cause 1.0 versions were trash)
@@juliantaffa4089 The reason is because Nvidia has soured their relationships with console manufacturers. Nvidia screwed over sony and xbox during the ps3 and original xbox respectively so they decided to go with AMD. They basically do it not for performance but for business. Remember these guys want to make top dollar and *perceived* great value, not top performance.
AMD charged more because they were no longer the value brand, its not some evil move or something like that lmfao. also 19% improvements over last gen, and you want them to sell at prices that will make the 3000 series obsolete? that would basically turn every store's inventory into literal mush. I have the feeling prices will drop in 6-8 months, when zen2 parts stock is almost out.
For the sake of competition between the two companies and in the hope of setting a precedent of lowering gpu prices I really hope AMD takes the lower cost route on this one. I’m about to go into college and my computer currently has a 1050ti, if prices keep rising I don’t know when I will be able to upgrade lol.
I'd say the bigger problem with dlss is that it's in almost no games. So while the theoretical value might be high, the practical value is basically non existent rn.
@Simon Vale DLSS 2.0 is said to be more general solution so it shouldn't require to train it to every game individually. I'd expect it to become more available especially with RT becomes more abundant throughout a lot of upcoming games. All that being said, I don't know how hard or easy it is to implement it. Furthermore there is really no reason to implement it to current games unless they're getting RT updates. Because current games are made with at least GTX 10 series in mind so any card that is capable of DLSS is also capable of running those games without DLSS just fine. We'll have to wait and see.
@@alpkyu5201 valid points, just keep in mind that dlss is a Nvidia exclusive feature. If it follows other Nvidia exclusive features like physx, then it won't be relevant (though nice in titles that do support it). Sure hope to get an open version that isn't exclusive to one brand, that would be extremely helpful to spread this tech. Not very likely though. Well, let's wait and see I guess.
Yeah until dlss is in the MAJORITY of games, I wouldn't get a graphics card simply for supporting it. For every game nvidia does better in thanks to dlss, there's 100 more that don't have dlss and hence, won't see a difference.
AMD fan's comments before reveal: AMD will destroy Nvidia and will take the gaming crown! AMD fan's comments AFTER reveal: ... Well... AMD dosen't need to have the fastest card... (aka i'm willing to take an inferior product if i save a few bucks) AMD fan's comments after buying the actual card: I mean yeah, it has driver issues, games randomly crashes, and its as loud as a boeing 747 taking off... But if i flash the bios, then undervolt it, and overclock it, then dance around my desk and finaly put on this super strong earmuffs... i can barely hear it anymore!
Nvidia fanboys: I'm really quite rich and like to rub it in everyone's faces by criticising those who choose to buy more cost effective goods and put up with a few irritations in order to save £100s.
I would be curious to see how big navi competes with the 2000 series running dlss. Much like how consoles currently rely on resolution scaling and software trickery to deliver the best experience and support for gradually more demanding games. I have a feeling software could play a massive part in the longevity of pc hardware, which is where nvidia have clearly devoted a lot of time into. I will be eager to see if AMD have a similar solution or if they simply rely on lower pricing to compensate for the lack of these features.
@@2kliksphilip as a romance speaker we never group numbers like americans do, cause saying "Fifty seven" implies 57 as an unit, a separate number, instead of what it really is, five hundred and seventy, but unlike english, in most romance languages(with the exception of French) number names aren't this gigantic, so "Five hundred (and) seventy" is just "Quinhetos e setenta" which is much smaller, or when talking brands/license plates/codes where the numbers don't actually equate to any value we just spell it out like you did "Cinco, Sete, zero"
a lot of assumptions by the end. we don't yet know if the card shown was "rx 6800xt" (cut down navi 21) or 6900. So we don't know if they have a 3090 killer or not.
it has promise, i have seen some Modern Warfare numbers with a 3080 - and it was a performance range of ~92-105FPS@2160p. which has some interesting prospects, since the Navi GPU is supposed to be efficient, which potentially leaves a fair bit of Overclocking headroom, which could let one Overclock their Navi to perform the same as a 3080.
4:01 - All of them are being run with DX12. AMD is known to have better support for lower level APIs like Vulkan and DX12. Unless Nvidia did their homework with DX12 and Vulkan, DX11 games will sadly be a lot slower on Big Navi. I'd say It would be something between 3070 and 3080.
NVidia launching their cards without having supply could be more damaging than any battle it fights with big Navi in the tech department. Ive been hearing of delays for up to 3-4 months. Thats too long for many to wait with xmas and Cyberpunk just around the corner, not to mention next gen consoles and therefore games. They have seriously dropped the ball.
I've a 50' 4K TV + Ryzen 5 2600/Vega 56(64). I suppose it will run 1440p/High no problem. But i know that will be different story with something capable of playing 4K/60+ FPS. So Big Navi looks very promising...
@@user-jj4bv5yk5k Im surprised you can run things on high with that size setup. I have the previous generation - Polaris. And on 2560p i have to turn stuff down to low otherwise i get framerate issues. I skipped the previous gen as i wanted to wait for ray tracing. And looks like my patience will be rewarded. As yes - big Navi does look like its the business.
Power consumption is a hidden charge when buying a gpu. You will use the card for tens of thousands of hours, consuming a lot of electricity. It makes a lot of sense to chose a more power efficient gpu.
I suspect Nvidia droped the prices so low on the 3x series relative to 2x series is because they got information on how good Big Navi actually is and they are trying to get as bigger market share as they can.
Sorry to be so pedantic, but "Big Navi" isn't about the physical size of the cards/coolers, it's about enabling the maximum number of compute units. "Big Navi" would hopefully have 56CUs (Like the Vega 56) or 64CUs (Like the Vega 64). The RX 5700XT only had 40CUs
I found performance benchmarks for MW using an RTX 3080 and Intel 10900k running at Ultra settings at 4K without raytracing. It seems average FPS is between 85fps - 93fps average. Meaning the RX 6000 series flagship card is about equal to the RTX 3080
what i really want to know its which "RX 6000" are these performance numbers from, that can really change a lot of things. I don't expect the same level of performance of a 3080 from a die as small as the 5700xt, but is this numbers are not the "biggest navi" possible we are in good shape imo. An RDNA 1 architecture with a die size of a 3080 would have give us some resemblance of competition, if you add on top of that architectural and manufacturing improvements, we can finally have some really really good AMD cards Maybe they cant handle the production of their biggest possible GPU right now for some reason (thermals?), and the numbers we are seeing are not from the "3090 equivalent" and maybe we can be surprised on the reveal. I'm not expecting amd to give us 3090 performance for cheap, but i am expecting them to compete at that level of performance somehow, which will allow the mid tear cut-down cards to be awesome We really need amd to compete, and if this is the better chance thy have had in like 15 years.
Are you sure it's the highest end card they showed? I feel like the card they showed is around 600$ making it 100$ cheaper than the 3080 but matching its performance
COD MW is extremely optimized for AMD cards. In Warzone with a Vega 64 overclocked to 1700MHz core 1100MHz memory, Medium settings 3440x1440 (1440P Ultrawide) I'm almost always close to 144FPS and it never dips below 120. In Multiplayer it's 144FPS locked, sometimes I see upwards of 160+ FPS. I hope Big Navi is as fun to tinker with as my V64. Vega was really criticized by reviewers because of the Bitcoin mining debacle at the time which shot up prices but now they are the fastest used card for the money hands down. I've seen them equal 2080's at 1800MHz with modded power limits, which for a $220 card nowadays is ludicrous.
It feels like AMD has used this generation to win on the gaming CPU front and get into even more PCs on the GPU side. Essentially theyll continue to dominate the budget gpu space, the mid and upper mid performance/dollars GPU space and now will also have the top end gaming CPU. At 24%+ market share (steam stats) they're set very well for the next generation.
AMD's Raytracing must be decent to be featured in consoles. I don't think Microsoft and Sony would take such a risk for their next-gen consoles. As long as AMD can keep their cards in stock then they'll at least have something on Nvidia.
I really don't think the people that are getting 3080s or big navi cards care about power draw, It's a good thing to have but I really hope that OC the heck out of the cards.
Big Navi doesnt have to be the highest performer. It just has to be 1) cheaper-per-frame 2) actually available
3) not get cucked by the drivers
A card like that, in stores would be game changing.
@@shadyrabbit007 that mainly happens for the 1st few months mainly...hopefully it will be less common this time
AMD aren't exactly giving off a cost effective vibe here but if they're behind Nvidia, which I actually hope they are now, then maybe.
For most you're probably right. But the raytracing performance *is* important and I suspect there is no chance they compete there at all.
i wouldnt consider nvidia's cards "out" since we still can't realistically buy one
In germany I can easily buy them online and in store
@@Daddy_Dagoth Lie.
Oberst Schulz dude I live in Germany and can’t find them. Did you find them in Saturn or MediaMarkt?
@@Daddy_Dagoth Only 20,000 cards were shipped globally for 3080 and 3090 combined. Nice try though lmao
Nice pfp, hot
"Nvidia's cards are already out, and people are buying them."
Lol
I can't tell if he's being sarcastic here...
Nvidia - Stopped selling, Delayed untill 2021 lol
Yeah, but with every new product is the same; AMD or Nvidia; new products are released and the first batches are sold out super quickly and then it could pass months before new stock arrives, and the Corona hoax is not helping either....
@@victorsegoviapalacios4710 hoax, lol
Nice meme
I wonder who's buying them
I can’t even afford these yet I’m still excited
A competitive high end will mean used prices will come down so there is reason to be excited
I'm hoping that there will be a 200 euro gpu for you, just gotta wait a few months because the high end launch first
Even then it's good to be excited, it will lower the prices of the current cards or later down the line the lower end cards will come out as well.
why
because of falling prices
Finally I can play Age Of Empires 2 at 4K 60FPS
@@altzu unofficially yes
I don't actually care about 5%. If big Navi is 2-5% slower than the 3080, then it's still good enough for running the same games on the same settings.
I don't want AMD to be faster than Nvidia, just fast enough to be an alternative in the same class. Like the difference between a Mercedes and a BMW, there are a few but you don't actually care about the last tad.
Hopefully the price will be 20% cheaper :D
Even 10% cheaper is good enough for me. I am selling my RTX 2070 SUPER and grabbing a 6900XT. Or maybe their top tier will be the 6800XT. Either way....
@@charu1473 it's not even that serious bro lol, chill out.
Everyone wants AMD to be better than Nvidia. Don't kid yourself
@@charu1473 ok, for me both brands are just to spend your money and flex. The same way that someone who doesn't really care about pc stuff thinks about GPUs.
[me with my 60hz 1080p monitor]: "interesting"
Tbf 4k is expensive to upgrade to, but one year ago I bought a 144Hz monitor for less than 200 bucks for esport titles and it's just so nice (even with the budget at the time 6+ year old hardware I run)
Aim for 1440p144hz next. When I made that jump it blew me away. And it feels better than 4k60
I can barely tell the difference with 720 and 1080. But better FPS = less input lag. So you're not missing out completely. But I feel ya, I got the same kind of monitor.
240hz x 1080p > 60hz x 4k
Literally me lol
I'm fine with it, these monstrous cards mean I'll be able to run games in 1080p 60fps for a looong time
Curious to see what happens. Personally own an RX 5700 and since the driver issues got fixed I had no issues with the card and essentially bought a 2060 super for 60-65% of the price.
Agreed. Very happy with my 5700xt (after the black screen fixes). I run most modern games at 4k with a mix of medium and high settings (Control is the outlier, cant run at 4k well at all so I do 1440 upscaled to 4k)
Stan GreyJoy I never had too many black screen issues (maybe 2 a month, and I play quite a lot of games), but when it did happen it was mega annoying. PC would take ages to start up again afterwards too. Since they fixed that its been perfect and I could not be happier with the value of my purchase. I’d go for an XT but the non-XT had a mega deal which made it like 70% of the price of an XT so I’d be crazy to not take that.
Edit: its also VERY nice that the card supports up to 4 monitors without stupid VGA adapters and that shit, so I could hook up all my 3 screens without problems.
I have a 5700xt and it is amazing except for the RGBFusion software that they still haven't fixed.
@@darianrobinson8937 I have a reference card so no RGB nonsense :P Hope they fix it for you though! Also, how did you get a GIF as a TH-cam profile pic? I didnt even know that was a thing!
@@toadbard well 5700xt is better than 2060 super and in finland you can get a 5700xt for 330€ and the cheapest 2060 super is 400€
i don't know where you've been checking the prices...
Xfx made the thicc III 5700xt
Can't wait for the Xfc Thicc 420 6900xt
XFX 6950 XT XTX THICC II FAT BOY
Nah it'll be XFX BLAZE IT 6900XT NIIIICE
Sapphire Vaginal Pulse 6969
Basically :
Navi be like : ₕₑᵧ ₗᵢₛₜₑₙ
Big navi be like : *H E Y L I S T E N*
Good one.
Navi : asmr
Big Navi : *EARRAPE*
@@rachmatzulfiqar Navi is the little dude from zelda games
Lol
Big navi sound like a goron
Never thought AMD had a chance to be the most prominent brand in my PC
Same, glad its finally coming out
Really? Haha they were never that much worse than nvidia. Always tailing right behind and maybe now ahead.
Same, yet here I am with a 3700x and an RX 5700 and I saved myself a ton of money compared to getting the same performance from Intel + Nvidia. Who would've thought this would happen so quickly when I built my first PC 4 or so years ago.
@@marctoro96 Remember 2013? Their CPUs ran hot and slow, GPUs crashing... It's incredible how they managed to come back, especially on their limited budget.
KHS was sort of meaning in terms of features, I don’t really have any preferences with looks/brand just want the features, and RTX has been the think stopping me from going AMD on the GPU, but always ran AMD cpus anyways
Until they give us a $200-$300 card, I sleep
Based. The value in that market hasn't changed enough. Except for me cuz I got a 2070 for 296 last year but sales like that are super rare.
@@joeykeilholz925 same here. I got super lucky and snagged a 5700XT for $295 at microcenter. Absolutely insane performance for the price really.
Same. Zzzzzzz
there may not be a big navi 200-300 dollar card, BUT there is the RX 5300... with 3 gbs of vram... the vram alone is the reason i will not sell my 3 gig 1060 for the 5300.
How poor is this dude... you are free to buy a lower tier card if you want lmaoo
"Nvidia cards are out and bots* are buying them"....fixed that for you
You could also imply that scalpers aren't people, regardless of bots.
Amd said they are still optimizing before release. Technically, card they showed could beat 3080 if they manage to squeeze couple of percent extra. That combined with possibility that this wasn't the biggest Navi, and this launch is starting to look very hopeful.
One thing that worries me is they pull the same thing they did with Zen 3 and make big prices a thing
They have already been doing checkered board rendering and upscaling on the cards designed for the consoles even before dlss hopefully they can find some way to support it on there pc cards
Honestly it doesn't matter what reconstruction method they choose. Native 4K is dumb when that GPU power could be better spent on next-gen fidelity and performance
@@bearpuns5910 Honestly 1080 is about as high as most people need for a monitor, unless you're sitting a foot away from a 42 in monitor.
The need for 4K gaming is coming more from the VR side of things where a 2K display for each eye still has people able to count the amount of pixels. We're going to need a 4K number of pixels to push VR headsets, with foveated rendering and this kind of upscaling may be the stop gap VR headsets need to actually worry about producing displays with that kind of pixel density... which is a challenge in and of itself.
@@SherrifOfNottingham yup, 1080p loookss very good even on a 60 inch TV, but some kind of upscaling is still a great addition, because aliasing is a bitch in 1080p
@@SherrifOfNottingham yeah no. 27" 1440p ~1.3m distance, clear difference to 1080p. I can see the pixels on 1080p, still in 1440p but it's way better.
@@SherrifOfNottingham 1440p is a massive upgrade from 1080p on anything 27" and bigger, a 27" 1080p monitor you can see the individual pixels
Not having a true DLSS equivalent this generation could be a big value loss for AMD’s cards.
Just use radeon imagine sharpening for the love of God
@@malathomas6141 not even close. Philip mentions AMD's alternative at the end of the video
@@malathomas6141 you do realize they are not even close to being the same thing right? Why are you even comparing an ai upscaling algorithm that could have cost billion of dollar to a sharpening effect that could have been replicated with reshade entirely for free?
They have already been doing checkered board rendering and upscaling on the cards designed for the consoles even before dlss hopefully they can find some way to support it on there pc cards
They will have an upscaling technique, the consoles support it to run 4k.
It won't work with AI but has something to do with precision? We have to wait for the release to truly know.
Also this wasn't biggest Navi 👀
I know you often read these comments Philip so hello from kingston, London!
Just in case you didn't get the notification, Philip hearted your comment
@@polarisation Oh wow i actually didnt, thanks for responding
@@therealfirstone7360 nooo you edited the comment,the heart is gone :(
@@polarisation FUCK
I would be happy with a mid point between the 3070 and 3080 with a respectable price. I dont intend to game at 4k.
No one does
thats what the 5700xt and 2080 super are for lmfao. 144fps in 1080p and 1440p respectively
@@marcusborderlands6177 I have a 1080ti which is about on par with these. Im more talking about a current gen card for this slot. and the 3070 is a great deal better than those cards so its not really what im talking about
so you want something to push like 200 fps in 2k on modern titles? i guess that makes sense if you wanna be playin games in like 5 years at 120 2k.
The biggest practical use case of "4K" gaming is going to be VR, where you basically need a 4K amount of pixels to render an image as clear like you're looking at a 2K monitor.
2kliksphilip and his brothers are legit the only channels on yt that delivers quality, fresh and new content that always feels like it came from the heart!
Thanks klik bros!
Oh excuse me, who is his brother? I just happened to have his video appear on my TL
Wait - all of the kliksphilip channels are run by different people? Or is that some running gag?
@@bearpuns5910 yes
@@manooxi327 haha very funny
@@bearpuns5910 they're different klikphilip schizophrenia personality
More new cards
More discounts on late model cards
Definitely a win for me.
its "the hole" movie all over again
Mick gordon will have to write a new song for this year. GPU Division.
though what they need to also focus on is that alot of people are planning to swap in a 3070 to their rig, if they can match nvidia while either being cheaper or more powerful withought a significant price jump they will likely get more sales from it
That has been AMD's market strategy for ages now, can't see why they'd change it
Remember the 400/500 series? That shit brought GPU prices to their knee
Even if that happens Nvidia sheeps will keep buying Nvidia cards. Nvidia uses most of their budget on marketing.
the 400/500 series got the prices down from 320$ for gtx 970 performance to 200$, yet people still bought Nvidia cards even if AMD were far superior.
I still die a bit inside when i see people that bought 1050Ti cards when they could have bought a cheaper and much more powerful rx 570.
How many people are gaming at frickin' 4K Super Ultra? Great Depression 2 passing you by.
Maybe a reason to finally sell my aging 1070. Let's hope so
> aging 1070
* laughs in 650 *
@@xabab laughs in 8800 gts
@@bluedoesnothing666 laughs in intel's 14nm
Laughs in hd 5450
Laughs in no pc or laptop
we need competition in the GPU space. remember when Nvidia's flagship card was $599. yeah, they can dictate the price whatever they want.
To be fair, a graphics card includes a top processor, top ram, PCB, cooler etc.
So it is certainly not cheap, considering that were getting more and better parts every time.
Doesn't mean the pricing isn't on the high side, but just keep that in mind.
this has been stated already in the comment section, but I don't care at all if it's 5% faster in game A or 5% slower in game B. I just want something that isn't stupid expensive and will actually be in stock so I can replace the 980ti in my current system.
This. I'm starting to get to the point where new games just don't run anymore, but paying 500€ for a new GPU is just way outside of what a normal person can do.
If big Navi provides ray tracing, and is competitively priced, I'm selling my rtx2070s and buying one. As an avid Linux user, AMD support still is a huuuuge selling point. I'm incredibly excited about this launch, because I want to use hardware that has decent support on my system, rather than having to faff around with Nvidia's proprietary drivers
I was finally able to back-order a 3080. They said it would take 2 weeks to get results. Just canceled it cause apparently it would take at *least* two months to even get a 3080 in stock. I have a much better chance of getting a Navi than a 3080 in those two months.
The card they showed isn't the highest SKU in the lineup, it's the second highest.
Source?
@@dimimen it's common sense actually you don't show your biggest gpu out of the bat like that
Navi 21A was shown. Navi 21B is the top tier. It is 150MHz faster in the core clock. Everything else is the same.
Source??? Keep up with tech news and you won't need someone to hand you the source. Keep up. It's not hard. This is very much common knowledge now.
we think, only amd knows. and maybe some reviewers....if the launch is around the same time as the press release.
@@dimimen Gathered from reasonable guesses from being in the know with leakers on twitter and private discord servers, and from using logic. The card showed is twice as fast as the 5700XT, since we already know 5700XT is 40CUs and Big Navi is 80CUs or more, and considering the clock speed is much higher and there's IPC increases, better cache, etc it should scale a little better.
Also as someone else said, AMD would not show their toppest tier card like that, they opened with 5900X and then showed 5950X at the end of the presentation, same logic here. You don't show your ace card like that.
i think you single-handedly got valve to care about steam
Now we just need them to care about their games.
HLA
They care
@@Pfincess about money
How?
I am happy about the potential of better competition for Nvidia. One thing I don't understand is people's incessantly saying they need to upgrade right away. I think that unless AMD shows up big time, Nvidia has pretty much assumed control of the market for this generation of cards. As far as I can tell people are willing to shell out even more than the stock price for them, Nvidia has got people in love with their product.
Man, I love how thoughtful and clear all your videos are, especially these hardware ones. I’ve been following the PC hardware scene for quite a long time and know how exciting and confusing it can be. So many leaks, speculation, and rabid fans defending these mega corporations to justify their purchases....
You manage to balance and present all that information in such an elegant and logical way.
Thanks for what you do!
"Nvidia's cards are already out, and people are buying them." haha wait I don't get the joke?
I just want better entry level GPUs and intergrated graphics
Imagine when integrated graphics on goddamn Surface Pros can run Ray-traced Minecraft. That would be so sick.
Thank you for subtitles
Philip pointing out that we need a $200 option from the start again is something I can get behind!
urgh what a surprise, I am sick of noone being able to compete with nvida, that means nvidia will just keep being free to overprice everything as usual
but amd will teach em, soon.
Not necessarily, AMD can set a maximum price for a certain performance level, capping all Nvidia cards below that performance bracket.
AMD's on track to change that real soon
@@digitalwild1 if AMD is killing Intel, maybe they'll catch up with Nvidia and eventually do the same.
yes, the 3090 is unmatched.
Its way overpriced and not worth it at all for 99.999% of people.
But last year we saw a better alternative for nvidias 2060&2070 and even 2070s, and this year we can see that Amd is challeng the 3080. If they win that, even if with a bit worse performance but with much better value, they could gain control over a huge part of the market.
Although the hype for the 30 series might hinder that a bit. I honestly didn't get the hype, every generation we have the same thing but this time the hype way way bigger for less reason
Reddit poggers moment gamers stand up
ok
100 holesome big chungus keanu pogger
Please be quiet.
AMD VS Nvidia fanboys in a nutshell
my dog just died. reddit do your thing
Ayeeeee another hardware video from philips, please keep making these, I love them.
One thing to note with these benchmarks is that they are running on a 5900x, which in most games run better than any other CPU out now. this means that that score is a bit higher than it would be with a current CPU on the market. one could guess 5-10% better than a 10900k based on AMD's numbers from their presentation
another thing is also that, as you mentioned, bordelands 3 is an AMD sponsored title, but COD is also one of the games that run the best on AMD graphics cards
I do think that the fps were gpu bottlenecked though, so which cpu was used should be irrelevant?
"Nvidias cards are already out and people are buying them"
I have to say this is a truth with a truckload of salt. I tried to get a card on release day without success and every retailer in my european country is saying delivery january 2021. So time will tell which graphics card will actually be out in the hands of more than 1% of consumers
"Right now, Nvidia's cards are already out and people are buying them."
Here's where you're wrong kiddo.
This guy is so full of shit!!! You know where he stands
I like how you talk about this stuff. You are as informed as one can be at the moment and don't try to create a hype but inform your audience 👍
You need to have the top of the market product, to be able to win over the majority of customers. People who bought the 1060 did not consider it was slower than the 580 for more money, they just bought it because it was two numbers less than the 1080, and that's the reason why Intel has a problem, because they are not the best anymore, and right now they aren't the best at anything.
will it run among us ?
At a quarter of a million FPS lmao
this channel is taking a diff direction I'm not complaining
i used to be subscribed to this channel back when i cared about csgo i might just come back with that sub for another reason now. the ol' good quality is still here and in fact it just improved so its a win-win
Man, I'm always amazed that control put so much emphasis on it's graphics with Ray Tracing and all that jazz, but then opted for 2004 animations for the movement of the characters.
You forgot the terrible graphic quality with lots of film grain noise and chromatic aberration. It literally consumes too much power for no visual quality gain, and it's quite obvious that they made a bad rasterization version to make RTX look better. Other games make better rasterization that looks like another skin (preference) like Metro exodus.
I am only just getting into hardware, and it's so overwhelming, so whilst i don't really understand, I feel like I've learnt something
and that's to hope for big Navi to be good so that I can have more money to spend on VR games because watching your "VR isn't cool" video again, pushed me over the edge
Hope you're doing good man
@@2kliksphilip Yeah it's certainly very exciting seeing where things go
Think once the next graphics card comes out and the previous gens prices drop I might get myself a new graphics card to future proof myself for a while
Thanks for peaking my interest into hardware
“They won’t play next gen mind games here and haven’t in the past.” *frogets about ryzen and zen2*
What I'm hoping is that because they're charging more for ryzen 5000 they will lower the price of big Navi. As they won't beat the 3080 in performance but they can still beat them in price to performance
Yeah, seems like these are the rules AMD are playing by. It’s totally logical, too.
If they can’t demonstrate that they’re the best in every way, they can only compete in price.
It's a big jump from the 5700xt. Nvidia is the one that overclocked the cards like mad. 320-350 W per GPU is obscene. If AMD gets those results at 250 W, it's a steal.
Totally agree, after having the Radeon 7 i'll never buy a gpu again that can draw more than 300w.
When it's a hot summer day it's not uncommon for my room to get 40C +
klik just makes any topic enjoyable! thanks for the awesome content!
"Gears 5 created in partnership with AMD"
Also Gears 5: Turing gets better performance than RDNA1. Pascal gets better performance than Polaris or Vega.
Also Gears 5: AMD broke performance since 20.2.x drivers with Async On. Instead of increasing performance vs Async Off, it now makes performance WORSE than Async Off.
Also Gears 5: Surprisingly CPU limited at 1080p, so a 5700 XT with Ryzen 3600-3950X is unable to run at 100% GPU load at all times, getting 80-90 fps instead of locked 1080p120.
I don't have anything AMD in my system, yet I love them. Thanks to them I was able to get a 9th gen i3 for 80€, and a 1060 (when released) for 190. I bet if AMD didn't exist intel and nvidia would just lay on their butt all day and do nothing to be competitive, but AMD is here to wake them up, and in the end everyone benefits from lower price and higher perfomance.
Thank you, AMD.
@@2kliksphilip Both.
I bought my processor (i3 9100f)/ mobo (h310m socket I think)/ ram (16gb 2400mhz) only a few months ago, and I'm very happy with the performance for dollar. However my 1060 since it's the 3gb version is starting to age a bit for what I'm doing with it (recent 3A titles, two 1080p screens) and it struggles a bit. So if something good shows up in the 200€ range from either AMD or Nvidia I may consider switching.
TL;DR
Won't upgrade anything processor side for 5 years, but depending on what's coming up in graphics card for 200€ I may buy AMD.
Also hi, long time fan !
@@colossebdumont879 well once you upgrade your gpu, you might want to look into something with more cores for the future. ive run into a lot of games that use all 12 threads of my 3600, and some that used all 16 of my friends 3800x. sadly it seems like you bought last gens top of the line cpu, right when things are rapidly changing.
@@marcusborderlands6177 that was a bottom of the line cpu, anything worse would have been a pentium or celeron, I bought an i3, not i9...
Also I just don't have the money to spend in more cores, otherwise I'd have bought an i5 9400f
@@colossebdumont879 im talking last gens best in terms of actual generations, none of this "here have another skylake, but with a new name" bs, like the old 4 core i7's etc. you basically bought a 6700 right around the time that the 6-8 core multithreaded cpu was becoming a thing. also, what cpu did you have before the 9100f?
@@marcusborderlands6177 had an i5 4460, got blown out of the water by that i3
Waiting for the price cut or 200-280 USD cards. Currently using 650 ti. YEAH! that old GPU is still with me! it has been a loyal friend of mine since 2013!
I really love the term big navi. I hope it is on the card.
Glowing letters Radeon big navi
I'll get one if there aren't awful driver problems.
Radeon drivers make me want to drink hydrochloric acid
They fixed their drivers last month. Given that the big navi will be in the new gen of consoles, I'm assuming their drivers will be good.
haven't had any driver issues in months with modded 5700 lol
Bare in mind, that benchmark showed by AMD is from *A* big Navi card, we don't know if it's from the biggest Navi card, I hope it's not, why would they make it public then, they must know it's worse than the 3080, it only makes sense in my mind that those numbers aren't from their biggest card
Imagine the day finally comes and BOOM that benchmark was done on the lowest tier bug Navi and they have two cards above like whaaat
But we know that ain't happening lol
That reasoning only makes any sense if you just assume they also have a better card than 3080 in the wings to begin with, it's circular reasoning.
@@sammoore2242 3090 is better than 3080
@@sammoore2242 That's literally what i said
@@quancena5772 Yes, and it's nonsense. If they have a bigger card, why would they not show it in their big presentation? Why would they make the big takeaway anything other than the best they have?
we don't even know if it was big navi or a cut down version. they just gave us some 4k results.
Hyped for the 6800 series video !!!
AMD raised the price for Zen 3 the moment it beats Intel's equivalent. You can expect more or less the same for the Navi line too. Remember, corporations are not our friend. Vote with your wallet.
But better competition in the GPU space is always better for the consumer. Nvidia needs a reason to not sell their cards at a quarter of a million dollars, and literally the only way for that to happen is with better competition.
I don't really understand how AMD graphics can power the two biggest consoles every generation, PlayStation and Xbox, and yet they cannot compete properly in the high-end PC market.
Yeah but at least AMD does open source software that can be upgraded for years and not the glitchy mess that is Nvidia software that was deprecated and the only good thing at the end was DLSS. (and 2.0 cause 1.0 versions were trash)
@@juliantaffa4089 The reason is because Nvidia has soured their relationships with console manufacturers. Nvidia screwed over sony and xbox during the ps3 and original xbox respectively so they decided to go with AMD. They basically do it not for performance but for business. Remember these guys want to make top dollar and *perceived* great value, not top performance.
AMD charged more because they were no longer the value brand, its not some evil move or something like that lmfao. also 19% improvements over last gen, and you want them to sell at prices that will make the 3000 series obsolete? that would basically turn every store's inventory into literal mush. I have the feeling prices will drop in 6-8 months, when zen2 parts stock is almost out.
none of this matters if the drivers suck and everything performs erratically like my 5700xt
Like the 3080?
For the sake of competition between the two companies and in the hope of setting a precedent of lowering gpu prices I really hope AMD takes the lower cost route on this one. I’m about to go into college and my computer currently has a 1050ti, if prices keep rising I don’t know when I will be able to upgrade lol.
The amount of people looking down on DLSS as "just upscaling with extra steps" and "not real render" is too damn high.
I'd say the bigger problem with dlss is that it's in almost no games. So while the theoretical value might be high, the practical value is basically non existent rn.
@Simon Vale DLSS 2.0 is said to be more general solution so it shouldn't require to train it to every game individually. I'd expect it to become more available especially with RT becomes more abundant throughout a lot of upcoming games.
All that being said, I don't know how hard or easy it is to implement it. Furthermore there is really no reason to implement it to current games unless they're getting RT updates. Because current games are made with at least GTX 10 series in mind so any card that is capable of DLSS is also capable of running those games without DLSS just fine.
We'll have to wait and see.
@@alpkyu5201 valid points, just keep in mind that dlss is a Nvidia exclusive feature. If it follows other Nvidia exclusive features like physx, then it won't be relevant (though nice in titles that do support it). Sure hope to get an open version that isn't exclusive to one brand, that would be extremely helpful to spread this tech. Not very likely though.
Well, let's wait and see I guess.
Yeah until dlss is in the MAJORITY of games, I wouldn't get a graphics card simply for supporting it. For every game nvidia does better in thanks to dlss, there's 100 more that don't have dlss and hence, won't see a difference.
More like there's 10000 without dlss for one with xD
AMD fan's comments before reveal: AMD will destroy Nvidia and will take the gaming crown!
AMD fan's comments AFTER reveal: ... Well... AMD dosen't need to have the fastest card... (aka i'm willing to take an inferior product if i save a few bucks)
AMD fan's comments after buying the actual card: I mean yeah, it has driver issues, games randomly crashes, and its as loud as a boeing 747 taking off... But if i flash the bios, then undervolt it, and overclock it, then dance around my desk and finaly put on this super strong earmuffs... i can barely hear it anymore!
Yeah, just your standard AMD fanboy behavior.
The fuck does "inferior" mean? If it's a little less performance and priced as a mid range card it's anything but inferior
Nvidia fanboys: I'm really quite rich and like to rub it in everyone's faces by criticising those who choose to buy more cost effective goods and put up with a few irritations in order to save £100s.
AMD fanboys: Nvidia fanboys are crazy! How can they afford those 700 dll cards! I'm so poor i can only afford a 600 dll AMD card!
@@timjones2329 "If you don´t buy AMD you are a Nvidia Shill!!11!!11!!11"
fixed it for you.
I would be curious to see how big navi competes with the 2000 series running dlss.
Much like how consoles currently rely on resolution scaling and software trickery to deliver the best experience and support for gradually more demanding games.
I have a feeling software could play a massive part in the longevity of pc hardware, which is where nvidia have clearly devoted a lot of time into.
I will be eager to see if AMD have a similar solution or if they simply rely on lower pricing to compensate for the lack of these features.
cool, tnx m8
was waiting for ure opinions xD
it's just going to be AMD being the best in every category
Everyone else: Fifty-seven hundred
2kilksphilip: *Five-seven hundred*
This is extremely minor yet it bothers me.
British vs Murican
@@2kliksphilip as a romance speaker we never group numbers like americans do, cause saying "Fifty seven" implies 57 as an unit, a separate number, instead of what it really is, five hundred and seventy, but unlike english, in most romance languages(with the exception of French) number names aren't this gigantic, so "Five hundred (and) seventy" is just "Quinhetos e setenta" which is much smaller, or when talking brands/license plates/codes where the numbers don't actually equate to any value we just spell it out like you did "Cinco, Sete, zero"
how the hell do you upload so much like jesus i remember when we used to get monthly vids oh and are you making any games soon?
In my experience with AMD optimised titles, like Far cry 5, all GPUs perform well.
a lot of assumptions by the end. we don't yet know if the card shown was "rx 6800xt" (cut down navi 21) or 6900. So we don't know if they have a 3090 killer or not.
it has promise, i have seen some Modern Warfare numbers with a 3080 - and it was a performance range of ~92-105FPS@2160p.
which has some interesting prospects, since the Navi GPU is supposed to be efficient, which potentially leaves a fair bit of Overclocking headroom, which could let one Overclock their Navi to perform the same as a 3080.
4:01 - All of them are being run with DX12. AMD is known to have better support for lower level APIs like Vulkan and DX12. Unless Nvidia did their homework with DX12 and Vulkan, DX11 games will sadly be a lot slower on Big Navi. I'd say It would be something between 3070 and 3080.
NVidia launching their cards without having supply could be more damaging than any battle it fights with big Navi in the tech department. Ive been hearing of delays for up to 3-4 months. Thats too long for many to wait with xmas and Cyberpunk just around the corner, not to mention next gen consoles and therefore games. They have seriously dropped the ball.
I've a 50' 4K TV + Ryzen 5 2600/Vega 56(64). I suppose it will run 1440p/High no problem. But i know that will be different story with something capable of playing 4K/60+ FPS. So Big Navi looks very promising...
@@user-jj4bv5yk5k Im surprised you can run things on high with that size setup. I have the previous generation - Polaris. And on 2560p i have to turn stuff down to low otherwise i get framerate issues. I skipped the previous gen as i wanted to wait for ray tracing. And looks like my patience will be rewarded. As yes - big Navi does look like its the business.
Here's hoping the drivers work this time
It'd be really interesting if a full AMD build became the fastest option over Intel and Nvidia
I will be looking at 1440p ray tracing support for my next gpu purchase.
Power consumption is a hidden charge when buying a gpu. You will use the card for tens of thousands of hours, consuming a lot of electricity. It makes a lot of sense to chose a more power efficient gpu.
Natus Vincere Should get sponsored by the navi cards
I suspect Nvidia droped the prices so low on the 3x series relative to 2x series is because they got information on how good Big Navi actually is and they are trying to get as bigger market share as they can.
Sorry to be so pedantic, but "Big Navi" isn't about the physical size of the cards/coolers, it's about enabling the maximum number of compute units.
"Big Navi" would hopefully have 56CUs (Like the Vega 56) or 64CUs (Like the Vega 64).
The RX 5700XT only had 40CUs
I thought the biggest version would have 80? Might be remembering that wrong though
@@SimonVaIe I'm really not sure, I thought 80CUs wasn't practical because it would require a prohibitively wide memory interface to avoid bottlenecks
I found performance benchmarks for MW using an RTX 3080 and Intel 10900k running at Ultra settings at 4K without raytracing. It seems average FPS is between 85fps - 93fps average. Meaning the RX 6000 series flagship card is about equal to the RTX 3080
cept that amd would be stupid to show off their flagship. its probably the 6800xt, not the 6900xt
I’m more hoping for them to be going for the last CPU gen approach, not quite as Intel’s best, but very good for the price
all i want is DLSS,
It's an amazing feature and I wish to see AMD's version
what i really want to know its which "RX 6000" are these performance numbers from, that can really change a lot of things. I don't expect the same level of performance of a 3080 from a die as small as the 5700xt, but is this numbers are not the "biggest navi" possible we are in good shape imo. An RDNA 1 architecture with a die size of a 3080 would have give us some resemblance of competition, if you add on top of that architectural and manufacturing improvements, we can finally have some really really good AMD cards
Maybe they cant handle the production of their biggest possible GPU right now for some reason (thermals?), and the numbers we are seeing are not from the "3090 equivalent" and maybe we can be surprised on the reveal. I'm not expecting amd to give us 3090 performance for cheap, but i am expecting them to compete at that level of performance somehow, which will allow the mid tear cut-down cards to be awesome
We really need amd to compete, and if this is the better chance thy have had in like 15 years.
Are you sure it's the highest end card they showed? I feel like the card they showed is around 600$ making it 100$ cheaper than the 3080 but matching its performance
The 6900 is going to be a _nice_ card.
this is why 2k gaming is the best rn, basically any new card coming out now will perform wonderfully
COD MW is extremely optimized for AMD cards. In Warzone with a Vega 64 overclocked to 1700MHz core 1100MHz memory, Medium settings 3440x1440 (1440P Ultrawide) I'm almost always close to 144FPS and it never dips below 120. In Multiplayer it's 144FPS locked, sometimes I see upwards of 160+ FPS. I hope Big Navi is as fun to tinker with as my V64. Vega was really criticized by reviewers because of the Bitcoin mining debacle at the time which shot up prices but now they are the fastest used card for the money hands down. I've seen them equal 2080's at 1800MHz with modded power limits, which for a $220 card nowadays is ludicrous.
I built a new PC with a 5700 Xt and really hope there will be a new $400 one. Definitely selling my current one if there is a new one
Will there be any budget navi cards?
It feels like AMD has used this generation to win on the gaming CPU front and get into even more PCs on the GPU side. Essentially theyll continue to dominate the budget gpu space, the mid and upper mid performance/dollars GPU space and now will also have the top end gaming CPU. At 24%+ market share (steam stats) they're set very well for the next generation.
AMD's Raytracing must be decent to be featured in consoles. I don't think Microsoft and Sony would take such a risk for their next-gen consoles.
As long as AMD can keep their cards in stock then they'll at least have something on Nvidia.
Big vega vs big navi
Hey philip any chance making video about Racing games? Like Gran Turismo?
I would love to see you making video about Gran Turismo
Did you also check for the benchmarks to use the same cpu?
Bro I can't wait I'm gonna spend all my savings on AMD stock options
Already did but i just need more cash
I really don't think the people that are getting 3080s or big navi cards care about power draw, It's a good thing to have but I really hope that OC the heck out of the cards.