Ryzen literally brought HEDT down an entire price bracket. It's crazy when you think about how just a year ago buying a processor with 6 cores would've cost more than 2x as much as I spent on ryzen.
That's fair. Personally, having waited for vega and having passed up many sales on 1070's for 350 and 1080's for 400 dollars I'm not gonna act like I don't find vega lacking.
not rly, a Phenom II X6 was 190€ back in 2010. Intel just droped the price on there Mainstream 6-Cores, thats it. Intel is still ahead especially in gaming and poor optimized titles and programs. That being said, Intel trolled pretty hard with there same pins same socket i7 8700k release on the Z370 chipset. I have a Z170 board and will never be able to have a new 6 or 8 Core CPU ;(, so im watching the AMD Boys and maybe at some point im giving the octacorebeast a try.
2kliksphilip: My bad on the numbers, I was going by an article from /r/AMD Which has since been debunked, however the performance being near GTX1080 was still proven to be true...the GTX1080 can OC too ofcourse which can make a gap between them once again.
The comments under tech videos aren't always the best, but I think this video illustrates a valuable truth. Fierce competition pushes industries forward. Weak competition causes them to stagnate. Remember this the next time you get an urge to dive into the comments and swear blind allegiance to your chosen brand/product.
brand loyalty is always bad. There's a difference between preferring a product because you've always used it and never had issues or was greeted with good support. However, saying all else is shit / trash because you don't use it is.. stupid. Enables companies like intel and nvidea to misuse that loyalty and create a monopoly which they are both guilty of trying their hardest to achieve through less consumer friendly methods.
Ryzen has been a blessing, coming from a Core i3 6100 to an R5 1600 was amazing. Now if only DDR4 would return to normal prices. Right now of you're buying new: Ryzen is what you should look for.
> Right now of you're buying new: Ryzen is what you should look for. ryzen is good, but unfortunately if you're out for the best performance you'd have to go for the 8700k and OC it to ~5 ghz
AMD's biggest disadvantage is software optimization for their products or lack thereof. What AMD needs to do is recoup a large chunk of the marketshare in order to get software developers to give a damn about optimizing their stuff for AMD's platform. Ryzen's IPC actually isn't that far off Coffee Lake, but Coffee Lake has beastly clocks and software optimizations on its side.
You forgot to mention the stock Wraith coolers that Ryzen provides... They are a pretty solid alternative till you can afford to buy an AIO or smth. And it will keep your CPU cooled even if overclocked!
agreed. The stock Stealth cooler kept my R3 1200 at perfectly reasonable temps at 3.9GHz even during stress tests. I only upgraded to a Corsair H60 because my PC sits less than 1m away from me and I wanted it to be as close to silent as possible (the stock one is not "loud" by any means, but the H60 with 2 x 850rpm Phanteks high pressure fan keeps it below 60 degrees and is completely inaudible)
Actually, I don'y ever plan to replace my wraith Spire with an aftermarket cooler. It keeps my overclocked r5 1600 cool and is very quiet. Not to mention good looking too.
ryzen is good enough, in every field. when intel may have good gaming processors, ryzen is much better in every other field (rendering, uncompressing...) but still good enough for gaming
Ryzen-Good enough in single core,amazing in multi core,amazing in price a 320$ r7 chip to compete with a 450$ i7 ata cheaper mobo,is far better than good enough.
People don't understand what IPC really means. Ryzen is pretty competitive and really close to Intel when it comes to IPC (Instructions Per Clock). It's just frequency that Ryzen is behind in. I wish people would recognize the difference between IPC and Frequency.
Johnathan Bloch - Yeah absolutely this. Hear a lot of people throw around that Ryzen has trash IPC when it's simply not true. It's proven to have Skylake-levels of IPC in multithreaded applications
multithreaded applications like what? Blender internal rendering which no one uses because its limited in applications and also cycles is much better and fast because it uses the GPU for rendering... or video editing which I personally do not know about but from what i gathered in a quick search is that again mainly a gpu related affair. Ryzen has 3% worse single core performance compared to my 4670k at stock I dont understand how its at skylake levels which is about 25% better then a 4670k last time I check from what I could remember. im going to use my 4670k until 2020 or maybe even later depending on when Arma 4 is released, as it does everything I need it to do and I do demanding things on it like blender, freecad, Gimp, ect.
Ryzen is basically Intel's Nehelem, first gen of a new architecture. Sandy Bridge was Intel's smash hit, an iteration of Nehelem. So Ryzen + and Ryzen 2 onwards, should be stellar since their foundation is so solid!
I am actually hoping Ryzen+ is exactly like Sandy Bridge. I'm still using my i7-2600k @4.6ghz with a GTX1080. Once NAND and DRAM prices stabilize and Ryzen+ comes out I might finally go for a cpu, mobo, ram replacement.
Actually Intel is still on the CORE architecture which is derived from the Pentium M a long time ago, first debut as Core 2 Duo etc. Nehelem took it up a notch and was the first with their ringbus and memory controller on chip.
just upgraded from an i7-2600(non-k) to the ryzen 1700, although gaming performance isn't that much better it's amazing how little cpu usage i have with it while playing games
Not to be an ass but if you waited a bit and went for an 8600k, you would be killing it in gaming performance for the next 5 years, just like your 2600 did. But now you have a cpu that's barely an upgrade over your old 2600. Check if it's possible to sell the platform and upgrade to intel for a bit of money.
my cpu + b350 mobo cost me £210 while that cpu + z370 would cost at least £350 currently, i get prices will eventually come down though.The difference in upgrade would be better spent in upgrading the gpu if i wanted better gaming performance too. Although I got my stuff at a really good price so if someone was building new they may be better off going with the 8600k for purely just gaming.
But in reality, is an 8600K even that much of an improvement over the 2600 in gaming performance? Even a 2600 non K will barely bottleneck even a GTX 1080ti. Intel gaming performance has not even improved that much over the years, which is why there are so many gamers still using 6 year old Sandy Bridge. That was the last big jump in gaming performance. Plus, there is no game Ryzen can't run. My R3 1200 overclocked has had no trouble with games so far.
As an Intel fan, it's great to see AMD showing up the bigger CPU manufacturer. The more competition there is the better, and the more options for the end consumer. I tend to go with extremely small highly specific builds - all which Intel have covered, unfortunately, so I won't be able to make an AMD rig anytime soon. Still, I wish AMD all the best in spite of the controversies that happened with its Vega GPUs and the likes. We need a company like AMD to offset otherwise by-default monopolies like Intel.
Certain motherboard/GPU/expansion card combinations with the micro ATX form factor are limited to Intel-based CPUs as the motherboard offerings with the smaller size is more limited as most (if not all afaik) AMD alternatives don't have more than one PCI-E slot that runs at the same speed, among other things. We're getting into the weird overly-specific, "are you making a workstation/capture card build" or "is it going to run one more than one operating system" territory - as examples. :P
I own the R5 1600, and I believe it's the best "bang for your buck" chip. The hyper-threaded six-core CPU is perfect for game streaming and media creation, and it's also a pretty good gaming chip as well. All that for around $200 USD? Hell yeah.
Look at me guys! I bought a 6900k two weeks before Ryzen launched! Anyone want to guess how I felt over the course of this year? And how my wallet feels? God damnit!
This video is such a satisfying watch after the announcement of the Ryzen 5000 series reveal. Now intel doesn't even have the single core advantage anymore.
I have a Ryzen 7 1700 (pretty sure its the most popular one) Its amazing. People have overclocked it but it really doesn't need it. The stock cooler keeps it at 29-32c idle and under 45 load.
that's some damn nice temps! my i7 6700k shoots up over 70C+ instantly under full load, and I don't even have it overclocked right now. Intel should stop using toothpaste under their IHS
Thunder Draws Intel does that because they didn't have any competition, hopefully they get their shit together this year and fix stuff like that now that they have too.
Intel - "Wow, we made technology from 4 years ago, just overclocked and allowed our users to overclock them even further, let's charge $400 - $700 (USD) for old technology" AMD - "LOL we made something new, here, have it for $400"
I bought a Ryzen 1600 for $180 at Black Friday. For that amount of money it's just an awesome CPU. If Zen+ deliever better IPC i will surely buy it as long as it fits with my current MB.
I was so confused when the video started and you still weren't talking full throttle within .5 seconds of the beginning of the video only to realize that I had the wrong headphones on.
from i5 3470 to r5 1600...I love it :) I never imagined that a day would come where I would switch from an intel CPU to an AMD one ever again,but here it happened :D
I just built my new Ryzen 5 1600 and RX 580 8GB build, and i must say im in love. Handles windows like butter but haven't had the opportunity to actually play games on it yet.
Ryzen was the most impressive thing AMD came up with. And I'm hyped for more , untill now the r5 1600 didn't disappoint me at all , sadly I've been let down a bit by the vega. But better luck next time , I'm so happy to see amd stepping up and going head to head with Intel
3:42 but there are no good alternatives for the 7700k, not to mention they were discounted on loads of sites at Christmas meaning you could pick one up at £220
I got an i7 8700K, because single core performance is way too important to me. But, it's a testament to AMD's ability that I REALLY closely considered purchasing Ryzen this time around.
My Ryzen 1700 is at 3.8 at sub-1.3. I'm very happy with it for gaming and various workstation tasks. It's similar to my old 4770K in single threaded stuff, possibly a bit better, but blows it away in multithreaded work, which is a lot of what I do. And it does all this at lower temps and lower power draw from what my numbers read. I'm not over Intel or anything, but I can definitely say it's an upgrade, and a fine one at that.
Thanks to AMD's supply of low-price high-performance cores, I was even able to get an 8700K for my build. It's just been a pain in the arse to run swarm agent on my "old" xeon 1231v3. Even without overclocking, I was surprised that the upgrade tripled my speed in this matter. I hope something similar happens to RAM at some point, but we don't have enough competition going on and overall ram chips don't seem to be a good business at the moment. Maybe 2019?
Some people on the GPU video have been stating that NVidia has even been supporting AMD CPUs over Intel. I don't know if this is true since there were no sources provided, but if it is you know when one of your direct competitors directly supports you that you have done something magical.
I was thinking about upgrading this past year but ultimately decided not to. I think what would make me jump onto ryzen is if they try to start increasing there core clockspeed. Especially for those of us that are mainly using these CPUs for gaming.
Been loving my 1600 :) Once the Ryzen+ architecture hits shelves, I'm definitely jumping on the R7 train. Although, as soon as next GPUs appear, I'm dumping my RX 480 for Nvidias xx60 line. Their GPU end is quite the joke, especially their OpenGL drivers in Windows. Otherwise, the CPU side is phenomenal.
I completely agree that Ryzen is more than good enough for gaming, at 4ghz it's hardly a bottleneck except than with the highest end of gpu (end even then 140+ fps is great in my book). However there's no arguing that a 5ghz intel chip is more futureproof, but maybe the next AM4 gens will carry enough IPC improvement to close the gap. I doubt that Ryzen+ (1.5) releasing early 2018 will reach 5ghz, but I really hope it'll do 4.5 at least (best Ryzen chips can get to 4.2 so maybe it's still a bit of a stretch).
Built my first PC with Phenom II, and I upgraded to Haswell in 2015. While that CPU is still fine for now, by the time Zen 2 rolls out I will probably be more seriously looking at upgrading. When I went haswell I definitely learnt how much less competitive the mobo prices are. I'd be happy to go back to AMD if the gaming performance is right. Glad to see they're competitive, though, it's forced intel to release better products.
Hey Philip. Just wanted to say that if I were you I wouldn't trust all gaming benchmarks made with Ryzen as some might well be off by a significant margin. For example, a channel named HardwareUnboxed (great channel btw) recently made a video benchmarking CPU performance on PUBG's latest build. On the graphs shown Ryzen perform worse than Intel but in the gameplay clip that he recorded that couldn't be further from the truth. Just print screen the beginning and ending of the clip and see by yourself the minimal frames, averages and max frames. Thanks for the video btw.
I'm still very happy with my 4th gen i5-4690k, plays whatever game i like to play. This is pretty much the reason why i'm a pc gamer, pay for what you want to play.
They are probably already binning out the CPUs that hit higher clockspeeds to sell later. I think that's the reason why they all happen to hit 4.1 Ghz max.
i used to have an i5 6500 which i paid about 220€ back in the day, a few days ago my new ryzen 5 1600 arrived, and not only does it have much much better multi core performance (even better than most of i7 processors, including last gen's x99 processors with the same amount of cores and threads) but it also manages to beat it in single core with an easy overclock from 3.2ghz (stock) to 3.7ghz (which is not even where it will be capped, more like 3.9 up to 4.1) that i was able to achieve with the stock included cooler, which is a little loud i'll admit, but can definitely hold a good 0.5ghz overclock, which made my cpu-z benchmark score go from about 380 points to 420 in single core, which already is much more than my "old" i5, not to mention that the "old" i5 is basically an i5 7400, which may be priced lower compared to the 1600, but it's only about 20€ cheaper which the ryzen is totally worth (and i have no doubt a 1500x could handly beat the 7400 if overclocked)
The issue with "good enough" is that if and when at all it becomes better than Intel. It could be this year it could be in 5 years. One major thing going for AMD is that their CPUs don't have major exploits in them and it's why I'm going AMD in the next build ( I don't need anything at the moment, as I'm running a 4790k with a 1080ti ), my next build is more than likely a year away.
About to purchase a ryzen 3 1300x and I think I will be happy with it. Been wanting to play PubG ever since it cane out, but can't run it with my Phenom ii 955
I have an FX-6300 I get good enough framerats in all the games I play, I used to not be able to even get 20 fps in most games and the difference now is night and day. What really demotivates me is that everyone is saying that the FX series sucks... Yeah they are not the best but get a decent one and it will still be able to run most games fine.
I supported AMD with buying the best rx 480 they put out but I am waiting for ryzen 2 or + before I upgrade my CPU. I like old games and so single core performance does play a factor in my choice.
I own an Intel+NVIDIA system, but I can't help but respect and even prefer AMD over those two. For such an underdog company with a less vocal community, I'm glad they did so well. Quality wise, Intel and NVIDIA are superior, but for the average consumer AMD pays off much more. Similar performance at a lower price. The new GPUs aren't super great compared to the CPUs, but they finally rolled out ReLive last year, which was rather buggy at the time I was using it, but so is Shadowplay in my experience. And again, the GPUs also offer similar performance to NVIDIA cards for a much lower price. It's very impressive to see AMD tackle two opponents at once and doing quite well, at that.
I have a prebuilt AMD computer with Radeon R7 graphics but still managed to run skyrim at a good fps on high I hope AMD gets more followers because you can do anything with AMD cause they actually care about there customers
Why people don't like Ryzen 3 as much as it's big brothers? Is a 4 core CPU for i3 price that performs like a i3 at games, but can be overclocked to perform like a i5 7400.
0:22 Lets be clear. The Intel processors did a great job at what they could do. But did have some issues. Only 3 major issues in 5 years.That's pretty good.
Yep AMD did well with Ryzen, that's in a stark contrast to their Vega lineup though. You practically predicted Vega would be a bust in your video a year back (AMD's Vega: Devil's Advocate): th-cam.com/video/_P_d1vq2hhE/w-d-xo.html I actually wish you do a follow up on that the same way you did with Ryzen.
Wish I could go to Ryzen just to support AMD, but I have a laptop with i5. I'm happy that AMD still have some serious gunpowder in their guns to injure intel in the market. More competition = better choice, price and quality for us, the consumers. If I'll get the chance to buy a desktop PC, I'll sure be on the lookout for Ryzen CPUs
I'd be hard pressed to replace my i5 2300 and i7 3770K in the next several years because of the stagnant progress. I remember the times when the P4 was painfully slow within 5 years after purchase. My current PCs are still going strong for me. Plus, there is barely any software to properly tax the system apart from brainless mining. People might be at the limit of using all the power, being too disorganized and dumb for big ideas.
this upgrade to ryzen is so tempting from my dying 860k @4.1GHz system but DDR4 prices and sparse availability of mITX Zen based boards are keeping me back ;_; honestly I've started thinking that Intel is paying board makers to not make ITX boards for ryzen, holy shit the asus B350-I STRIX is nowhere to be seen yet the Z370-I STRIX was availible from day 1 now I also feel tempted to buy a Z270-I STRIX and a Z370-I STRIX to see if they are just rebrands with different BIOS firmware so the Z370-I doesnt accept Kabylake or Skylake CPU's.
AMD should do something like Ring bus on their consumer chips. If they dont they will never be able to compete with intel in gaming performance, just in price
Oui, espérons que AMD saura continuer sur sa lancée, et proposer au moins une baisse de prix pour la génération actuelle et de sortir une version améliorée en 2018.
So if I have an r9 390 with a fx 8320, is it worth upgrading to any of the ryzen cpus? (Note:I have 16 gigs of ddr3 ram) should I upgrade my ram or cpu first
6 core i5s to compete with the hex core Ryzen 5's. I think it's safe to say that Intel is scared shitless. It's just too bad that all but the Ryzen 3 is equipped with simultaneous multithreading while Intel seems to have shut that off in their quad core i3s and all i5s.
Ryzen literally brought HEDT down an entire price bracket. It's crazy when you think about how just a year ago buying a processor with 6 cores would've cost more than 2x as much as I spent on ryzen.
Now if only vega had been good.
That's fair. Personally, having waited for vega and having passed up many sales on 1070's for 350 and 1080's for 400 dollars I'm not gonna act like I don't find vega lacking.
not rly, a Phenom II X6 was 190€ back in 2010. Intel just droped the price on there Mainstream 6-Cores, thats it.
Intel is still ahead especially in gaming and poor optimized titles and programs.
That being said, Intel trolled pretty hard with there same pins same socket i7 8700k release on the Z370 chipset. I have a Z170 board and will never be able to have a new 6 or 8 Core CPU ;(, so im watching the AMD Boys and maybe at some point im giving the octacorebeast a try.
2kliksphilip: My bad on the numbers, I was going by an article from /r/AMD Which has since been debunked, however the performance being near GTX1080 was still proven to be true...the GTX1080 can OC too ofcourse which can make a gap between them once again.
But that's wrong. You could have bought an fx 4300.
I'm so happy that this year has been so competitive in the CPU market. Especially the surprise of Threadripper. Can't wait for next year
CreepsMcPasta same
Didn't expect to see you here.
W8, you play CSGO? I love ur channel.
why threadrippper? its users are small and the mount of uses and programs that benefit from threadripper are even smaller.
CreepsMcPasta didn’t know you liked this things. Good to know.
I'm glad AMD is bouncing back now. This should lead to a lot more innovation.
Yay no more intel monopoly!
Oh boy would you even imagine what happened.
The comments under tech videos aren't always the best, but I think this video illustrates a valuable truth. Fierce competition pushes industries forward. Weak competition causes them to stagnate.
Remember this the next time you get an urge to dive into the comments and swear blind allegiance to your chosen brand/product.
brand loyalty is always bad. There's a difference between preferring a product because you've always used it and never had issues or was greeted with good support. However, saying all else is shit / trash because you don't use it is.. stupid. Enables companies like intel and nvidea to misuse that loyalty and create a monopoly which they are both guilty of trying their hardest to achieve through less consumer friendly methods.
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Ryzen has been a blessing, coming from a Core i3 6100 to an R5 1600 was amazing. Now if only DDR4 would return to normal prices.
Right now of you're buying new: Ryzen is what you should look for.
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> Right now of you're buying new: Ryzen is what you should look for.
ryzen is good, but unfortunately if you're out for the best performance you'd have to go for the 8700k and OC it to ~5 ghz
》Chiba《: I just lost a month of footage....However I'm gonna try and replace it all asap.
DDR4 is expensive as fuck. Now only Tony Montana can afford it.
Meh. Not an Intel fanboi tho. Should get a 8th gen Intel instead.
AMD's biggest disadvantage is software optimization for their products or lack thereof.
What AMD needs to do is recoup a large chunk of the marketshare in order to get software developers to give a damn about optimizing their stuff for AMD's platform.
Ryzen's IPC actually isn't that far off Coffee Lake, but Coffee Lake has beastly clocks and software optimizations on its side.
You forgot to mention the stock Wraith coolers that Ryzen provides...
They are a pretty solid alternative till you can afford to buy an AIO or smth. And it will keep your CPU cooled even if overclocked!
agreed. The stock Stealth cooler kept my R3 1200 at perfectly reasonable temps at 3.9GHz even during stress tests.
I only upgraded to a Corsair H60 because my PC sits less than 1m away from me and I wanted it to be as close to silent as possible (the stock one is not "loud" by any means, but the H60 with 2 x 850rpm Phanteks high pressure fan keeps it below 60 degrees and is completely inaudible)
Not only that they do the job pretty well, they also look pretty good too, compared to intel's stock cooler.
Ryzen 3 1200 here, on stock Wraith Stealth cooler, I'm stable at 3.8 ghz here with safe temps!
Actually, I don'y ever plan to replace my wraith Spire with an aftermarket cooler. It keeps my overclocked r5 1600 cool and is very quiet. Not to mention good looking too.
in conclusion
*Good enough*
ryzen is good enough, in every field. when intel may have good gaming processors, ryzen is much better in every other field (rendering, uncompressing...) but still good enough for gaming
Ryzen-Good enough in single core,amazing in multi core,amazing in price
a 320$ r7 chip to compete with a 450$ i7 ata cheaper mobo,is far better than good enough.
People don't understand what IPC really means. Ryzen is pretty competitive and really close to Intel when it comes to IPC (Instructions Per Clock). It's just frequency that Ryzen is behind in. I wish people would recognize the difference between IPC and Frequency.
Johnathan Bloch - Yeah absolutely this. Hear a lot of people throw around that Ryzen has trash IPC when it's simply not true. It's proven to have Skylake-levels of IPC in multithreaded applications
multithreaded applications like what? Blender internal rendering which no one uses because its limited in applications and also cycles is much better and fast because it uses the GPU for rendering... or video editing which I personally do not know about but from what i gathered in a quick search is that again mainly a gpu related affair.
Ryzen has 3% worse single core performance compared to my 4670k at stock I dont understand how its at skylake levels which is about 25% better then a 4670k last time I check from what I could remember.
im going to use my 4670k until 2020 or maybe even later depending on when Arma 4 is released, as it does everything I need it to do and I do demanding things on it like blender, freecad, Gimp, ect.
Ryzen is basically Intel's Nehelem, first gen of a new architecture. Sandy Bridge was Intel's smash hit, an iteration of Nehelem. So Ryzen + and Ryzen 2 onwards, should be stellar since their foundation is so solid!
Yak nehalem and sandy bridge are very different architecturally. SB might have borrowed some aspects, but many parts are quite different as well
Yak if the next ryzen clicks higher, it sure will, AMDs ipc is very close to Intel's nowadays
I am actually hoping Ryzen+ is exactly like Sandy Bridge. I'm still using my i7-2600k @4.6ghz with a GTX1080. Once NAND and DRAM prices stabilize and Ryzen+ comes out I might finally go for a cpu, mobo, ram replacement.
Actually Intel is still on the CORE architecture which is derived from the Pentium M a long time ago, first debut as Core 2 Duo etc. Nehelem took it up a notch and was the first with their ringbus and memory controller on chip.
Tfw still on Bloomfield
Aaaand, AMD said 40% better IPC, gave 50%-ish
Intel says 40% gives 5% or less...
you are a MADMAN
and I support you
Thank you, and Ryzen is actually very good (i've got a 1700x)
THEY SCAMMED US, WE WANTED 40% NOT 50%!!!
Hahaha, well. Intel is dropping behind now with their latest fuck-up...
Up to a 30% performance drop from an "error" in their CPU's...
That's a good deal!
*cries while posting this comment from a PC I built recently, powered by an AMD FX-8350*
i-It's still an upgrade for me!
sameee
Issa okay
It's still a good PC :)
Same haha. I'm satisfied with it, it's one of the cheapest parts on my build though
cheapest octa core out there, i have the same one :D
If it is overclocked to 4.5 ghz or up then yeah, its still decent.
just upgraded from an i7-2600(non-k) to the ryzen 1700, although gaming performance isn't that much better it's amazing how little cpu usage i have with it while playing games
Not to be an ass but if you waited a bit and went for an 8600k, you would be killing it in gaming performance for the next 5 years, just like your 2600 did.
But now you have a cpu that's barely an upgrade over your old 2600. Check if it's possible to sell the platform and upgrade to intel for a bit of money.
my cpu + b350 mobo cost me £210 while that cpu + z370 would cost at least £350 currently, i get prices will eventually come down though.The difference in upgrade would be better spent in upgrading the gpu if i wanted better gaming performance too. Although I got my stuff at a really good price so if someone was building new they may be better off going with the 8600k for purely just gaming.
Groden what gpu do you have because the there should be a lot better in gaming and what is the 1700 clocked at
But in reality, is an 8600K even that much of an improvement over the 2600 in gaming performance? Even a 2600 non K will barely bottleneck even a GTX 1080ti.
Intel gaming performance has not even improved that much over the years, which is why there are so many gamers still using 6 year old Sandy Bridge. That was the last big jump in gaming performance. Plus, there is no game Ryzen can't run. My R3 1200 overclocked has had no trouble with games so far.
As an Intel fan, it's great to see AMD showing up the bigger CPU manufacturer. The more competition there is the better, and the more options for the end consumer. I tend to go with extremely small highly specific builds - all which Intel have covered, unfortunately, so I won't be able to make an AMD rig anytime soon.
Still, I wish AMD all the best in spite of the controversies that happened with its Vega GPUs and the likes. We need a company like AMD to offset otherwise by-default monopolies like Intel.
Majatek uhm extremely small specific builds? Wdym lol
Certain motherboard/GPU/expansion card combinations with the micro ATX form factor are limited to Intel-based CPUs as the motherboard offerings with the smaller size is more limited as most (if not all afaik) AMD alternatives don't have more than one PCI-E slot that runs at the same speed, among other things. We're getting into the weird overly-specific, "are you making a workstation/capture card build" or "is it going to run one more than one operating system" territory - as examples. :P
I own the R5 1600, and I believe it's the best "bang for your buck" chip. The hyper-threaded six-core CPU is perfect for game streaming and media creation, and it's also a pretty good gaming chip as well. All that for around $200 USD? Hell yeah.
i got this one too, and even the stock cooler is usable in contrast to Intel
Look at me guys! I bought a 6900k two weeks before Ryzen launched!
Anyone want to guess how I felt over the course of this year? And how my wallet feels?
God damnit!
Dark syde Phil
Ayyymd ftw
Hello fellow Redditor :)
Use a banana for scale on the gap between intel and ayymd
Oh wait, you can't. The difference is infinity
ayy lmao?
This video is such a satisfying watch after the announcement of the Ryzen 5000 series reveal. Now intel doesn't even have the single core advantage anymore.
This video aged extremely well.
Well Ryzen may be god tier, but Vega on the other hand Well, RIP.
yeah, that was was a bummer
but hey atleast vega 56 was decent..
Ikr 56 was decent. 64 was ass.
Bios flashed 56 when third party cards came out were insane, (if you could get them at msrp)
I have a Ryzen 7 1700 (pretty sure its the most popular one) Its amazing. People have overclocked it but it really doesn't need it. The stock cooler keeps it at 29-32c idle and under 45 load.
that's some damn nice temps! my i7 6700k shoots up over 70C+ instantly under full load, and I don't even have it overclocked right now.
Intel should stop using toothpaste under their IHS
Thunder Draws Intel does that because they didn't have any competition, hopefully they get their shit together this year and fix stuff like that now that they have too.
Hopefully they follow Morty's advice
The 1700 is also a fairly cool chip with a TDP of only 65 watts. 95 for the 1700x and 1800x, which are clocked a tad higher.
And AMD passed Intel in desktop usage share yesterday :)
Coffelake hasn't killed ryzen yet. It's so overpriced
love my 8700k :)!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i guess, still expensive af
That's alot of exclamation marks...
Should be able to hear you from the other side of the world.
Dondonian I don't think you do. Because if you do love your 8700k, then you wouldn't be so much insecure to state it and justify your purchase.
Dondonian, and you wouldn't have one without Ryzen.
Intel - "Wow, we made technology from 4 years ago, just overclocked and allowed our users to overclock them even further, let's charge $400 - $700 (USD) for old technology"
AMD - "LOL we made something new, here, have it for $400"
And then $300 a few months later because why not :)
just bought a ryzen 3
I bought a Ryzen 1600 for $180 at Black Friday. For that amount of money it's just an awesome CPU. If Zen+ deliever better IPC i will surely buy it as long as it fits with my current MB.
TheKims it will fit you will just need to update your bios
Happy new year dude!
Hope to see new quality content from you in 2018!
I was so confused when the video started and you still weren't talking full throttle within .5 seconds of the beginning of the video only to realize that I had the wrong headphones on.
Couldn't agree more with ALL of the video. Wonderful job Philip! ^-^
from i5 3470 to r5 1600...I love it :) I never imagined that a day would come where I would switch from an intel CPU to an AMD one ever again,but here it happened :D
I’m in 2019, can confirm AMD is still going strong
I just built my new Ryzen 5 1600 and RX 580 8GB build, and i must say im in love. Handles windows like butter but haven't had the opportunity to actually play games on it yet.
I like how his video is uploaded in december 30, not 12 months ago
12 months ago would also be the 30th of December.
Ryzen is amazing, good CPUs with low priced Motherboards, can't go wrong with that.
I bought yesterday a R5 1400 and it feels amazing on FPS games and multitasking...
Love the music Philip. Did you or your father make it? Or was it something you found?
got a 1700x and 1070 duo, loving the performance coming from a 960m and i5
12nm, around 200mhz overclocking headroom, and 5% faster ipc would be perfect for ryzen 2000 series.
Ryzen was the most impressive thing AMD came up with. And I'm hyped for more , untill now the r5 1600 didn't disappoint me at all , sadly I've been let down a bit by the vega. But better luck next time , I'm so happy to see amd stepping up and going head to head with Intel
3:42 but there are no good alternatives for the 7700k, not to mention they were discounted on loads of sites at Christmas meaning you could pick one up at £220
I got an i7 8700K, because single core performance is way too important to me. But, it's a testament to AMD's ability that I REALLY closely considered purchasing Ryzen this time around.
Took me a month to actually find one in stock somewhere lol and I had to wake up at 9am to pick it up
Love my 4690k but I'm so happy to see more competition
My Ryzen 1700 is at 3.8 at sub-1.3. I'm very happy with it for gaming and various workstation tasks. It's similar to my old 4770K in single threaded stuff, possibly a bit better, but blows it away in multithreaded work, which is a lot of what I do. And it does all this at lower temps and lower power draw from what my numbers read. I'm not over Intel or anything, but I can definitely say it's an upgrade, and a fine one at that.
That finishing sentence got me xD
Zen is amazing i was a sad man and got my i5 7600K :(
Why are there so little views? Did anyone else not get this in their subscription box?
Thanks to AMD's supply of low-price high-performance cores, I was even able to get an 8700K for my build. It's just been a pain in the arse to run swarm agent on my "old" xeon 1231v3. Even without overclocking, I was surprised that the upgrade tripled my speed in this matter. I hope something similar happens to RAM at some point, but we don't have enough competition going on and overall ram chips don't seem to be a good business at the moment. Maybe 2019?
AMD, underdog that challenge everything, GPU and CPU maker alike
You try to use that lensflare everywhere you can do you?
Some people on the GPU video have been stating that NVidia has even been supporting AMD CPUs over Intel. I don't know if this is true since there were no sources provided, but if it is you know when one of your direct competitors directly supports you that you have done something magical.
I love my Ryzen 5 1600, overclocks so easily and the temps are great on the stock cooler
I was thinking about upgrading this past year but ultimately decided not to. I think what would make me jump onto ryzen is if they try to start increasing there core clockspeed. Especially for those of us that are mainly using these CPUs for gaming.
Been loving my 1600 :) Once the Ryzen+ architecture hits shelves, I'm definitely jumping on the R7 train. Although, as soon as next GPUs appear, I'm dumping my RX 480 for Nvidias xx60 line. Their GPU end is quite the joke, especially their OpenGL drivers in Windows. Otherwise, the CPU side is phenomenal.
We just got my gf a Ryzen R5 1600, excited for AMD's competition this year as an i7 5775C user!
I completely agree that Ryzen is more than good enough for gaming, at 4ghz it's hardly a bottleneck except than with the highest end of gpu (end even then 140+ fps is great in my book).
However there's no arguing that a 5ghz intel chip is more futureproof, but maybe the next AM4 gens will carry enough IPC improvement to close the gap. I doubt that Ryzen+ (1.5) releasing early 2018 will reach 5ghz, but I really hope it'll do 4.5 at least (best Ryzen chips can get to 4.2 so maybe it's still a bit of a stretch).
Built my first PC with Phenom II, and I upgraded to Haswell in 2015. While that CPU is still fine for now, by the time Zen 2 rolls out I will probably be more seriously looking at upgrading. When I went haswell I definitely learnt how much less competitive the mobo prices are. I'd be happy to go back to AMD if the gaming performance is right. Glad to see they're competitive, though, it's forced intel to release better products.
i have a bulldozer for 5 years and i am still heppy... it works and it doesn't crush
I wish I could understand computer parts better but I have no idea where to start
A fellow team red member 2kiks you never fail to impress me!
Im very happy with Ryzen, cause now im running a glorious i5 8600k!
1700x and loving it...
Hey Philip.
Just wanted to say that if I were you I wouldn't trust all gaming benchmarks made with Ryzen as some might well be off by a significant margin.
For example, a channel named HardwareUnboxed (great channel btw) recently made a video benchmarking CPU performance on PUBG's latest build. On the graphs shown Ryzen perform worse than Intel but in the gameplay clip that he recorded that couldn't be further from the truth.
Just print screen the beginning and ending of the clip and see by yourself the minimal frames, averages and max frames.
Thanks for the video btw.
I'm still very happy with my 4th gen i5-4690k, plays whatever game i like to play. This is pretty much the reason why i'm a pc gamer, pay for what you want to play.
They are probably already binning out the CPUs that hit higher clockspeeds to sell later. I think that's the reason why they all happen to hit 4.1 Ghz max.
Loving my Ryzen 5 1600 in my pc, does the job well for everything I need and without breaking the bank.
Actually its not wrong to call AMDs implementation of SMT Hyper threading as Intel's patent on the name ran out a few years ago.
notif squaa....using ryzen 5 boiiiii
CPUs were relatively cheap in 2017
BUT
GPUs, Ram and ssds still expensive :(
bought coffee lake no regrets impressed with ryzen helping amds marketshare
The mainstream variant of +AdoredTV :)
i used to have an i5 6500 which i paid about 220€ back in the day, a few days ago my new ryzen 5 1600 arrived, and not only does it have much much better multi core performance (even better than most of i7 processors, including last gen's x99 processors with the same amount of cores and threads) but it also manages to beat it in single core with an easy overclock from 3.2ghz (stock) to 3.7ghz (which is not even where it will be capped, more like 3.9 up to 4.1) that i was able to achieve with the stock included cooler, which is a little loud i'll admit, but can definitely hold a good 0.5ghz overclock, which made my cpu-z benchmark score go from about 380 points to 420 in single core, which already is much more than my "old" i5, not to mention that the "old" i5 is basically an i5 7400, which may be priced lower compared to the 1600, but it's only about 20€ cheaper which the ryzen is totally worth (and i have no doubt a 1500x could handly beat the 7400 if overclocked)
The issue with "good enough" is that if and when at all it becomes better than Intel. It could be this year it could be in 5 years. One major thing going for AMD is that their CPUs don't have major exploits in them and it's why I'm going AMD in the next build ( I don't need anything at the moment, as I'm running a 4790k with a 1080ti ), my next build is more than likely a year away.
About to purchase a ryzen 3 1300x and I think I will be happy with it. Been wanting to play PubG ever since it cane out, but can't run it with my Phenom ii 955
I have an FX-6300 I get good enough framerats in all the games I play, I used to not be able to even get 20 fps in most games and the difference now is night and day. What really demotivates me is that everyone is saying that the FX series sucks... Yeah they are not the best but get a decent one and it will still be able to run most games fine.
I supported AMD with buying the best rx 480 they put out but I am waiting for ryzen 2 or + before I upgrade my CPU. I like old games and so single core performance does play a factor in my choice.
It took me half the video to realize he was saying ryzen not Verizon
Yes ryzen definitely was a strong release. But im still very happy with my intel i7-7700K in oc mode :D
Toreole 2 still a very good cpu
I own an Intel+NVIDIA system, but I can't help but respect and even prefer AMD over those two. For such an underdog company with a less vocal community, I'm glad they did so well. Quality wise, Intel and NVIDIA are superior, but for the average consumer AMD pays off much more. Similar performance at a lower price.
The new GPUs aren't super great compared to the CPUs, but they finally rolled out ReLive last year, which was rather buggy at the time I was using it, but so is Shadowplay in my experience. And again, the GPUs also offer similar performance to NVIDIA cards for a much lower price. It's very impressive to see AMD tackle two opponents at once and doing quite well, at that.
I have a prebuilt AMD computer with Radeon R7 graphics but still managed to run skyrim at a good fps on high I hope AMD gets more followers because you can do anything with AMD cause they actually care about there customers
They really need to step up in the gpu department though, then we'll have a healthy, cheap market for computer builds.
I upgraded from amd to Intel AMD A-10 to i7 7700HQ
Why people don't like Ryzen 3 as much as it's big brothers? Is a 4 core CPU for i3 price that performs like a i3 at games, but can be overclocked to perform like a i5 7400.
0:22 Lets be clear. The Intel processors did a great job at what they could do. But did have some issues. Only 3 major issues in 5 years.That's pretty good.
Yep AMD did well with Ryzen, that's in a stark contrast to their Vega lineup though. You practically predicted Vega would be a bust in your video a year back (AMD's Vega: Devil's Advocate): th-cam.com/video/_P_d1vq2hhE/w-d-xo.html
I actually wish you do a follow up on that the same way you did with Ryzen.
Wish I could go to Ryzen just to support AMD, but I have a laptop with i5. I'm happy that AMD still have some serious gunpowder in their guns to injure intel in the market. More competition = better choice, price and quality for us, the consumers. If I'll get the chance to buy a desktop PC, I'll sure be on the lookout for Ryzen CPUs
omg 7 min video about amd :D
Those were good days when ram was cheap :) I checked my ddr4 prices a while ago, it trippled(?) it's previous price
I'd be hard pressed to replace my i5 2300 and i7 3770K in the next several years because of the stagnant progress. I remember the times when the P4 was painfully slow within 5 years after purchase. My current PCs are still going strong for me. Plus, there is barely any software to properly tax the system apart from brainless mining. People might be at the limit of using all the power, being too disorganized and dumb for big ideas.
play Factorio 3philip,you'll love it
It has a demo on steam
I got him it for christmas :P
Still using a 2700k but god damn am I using Ryzen in my next system when I have the money.
this upgrade to ryzen is so tempting from my dying 860k @4.1GHz system but DDR4 prices and sparse availability of mITX Zen based boards are keeping me back ;_;
honestly I've started thinking that Intel is paying board makers to not make ITX boards for ryzen, holy shit the asus B350-I STRIX is nowhere to be seen yet the Z370-I STRIX was availible from day 1
now I also feel tempted to buy a Z270-I STRIX and a Z370-I STRIX to see if they are just rebrands with different BIOS firmware so the Z370-I doesnt accept Kabylake or Skylake CPU's.
Just got a Ryzen 7 1700x. Yeet.
Congrats!
AMD should do something like Ring bus on their consumer chips. If they dont they will never be able to compete with intel in gaming performance, just in price
Oui, espérons que AMD saura continuer sur sa lancée, et proposer au moins une baisse de prix pour la génération actuelle et de sortir une version améliorée en 2018.
1:07
Not multi-threading, it is SMT. Simultaneous multi-threading. :P Cause One is specific, the other isnt.
Alexander Yordanov hyperthreading is the intel only term
WayStedYou The word Hyperthreading is trademarked by Intel :/
Multi-threading means many threads. This has little to do with SMT or HT :P
*Hyper-threading. Multi-threading doesnt mean hyper-threading nor does it mean SMT.
To be fair Intel's Hyper threading is inferior to what AMD acquired which is the true IBM masterpiece however difference is negligible to us.
Now if only DDR4 RAM didn't cost 3x as much as it did last year...
So if I have an r9 390 with a fx 8320, is it worth upgrading to any of the ryzen cpus? (Note:I have 16 gigs of ddr3 ram) should I upgrade my ram or cpu first
im happy to have ordered a pc with i5 7400 with gtx 1050 for only 900£
6 core i5s to compete with the hex core Ryzen 5's. I think it's safe to say that Intel is scared shitless. It's just too bad that all but the Ryzen 3 is equipped with simultaneous multithreading while Intel seems to have shut that off in their quad core i3s and all i5s.
CPU’s are competitive now??
Sorta offtopic, looking into upgrading from i5 2550k to i7 2600k but I noticed it's pretty old, probs gonna ask from a hardware friend