Philip, please keep on making content you want, honestly your 2kliksphilips channel is amazing, all your tech analysis videos, funny gaming videos, and especially your experimental videos are soooo gooood.
You forgot to mention that AMD's Zen2 CPU lineup can _finally_ do really well on CS:GO, a game that's CPU dominated which in turn made it Intel dominated (until now)!
I use a Ryzen 5 1300x and I still push past 60fps on CS:GO with high settings. Either CS:GO uses my GPU more than I thought it did or AMD has always been able to run CS:GO.
Here's the problem: 60fps is great for most games out there, but is complete poop for CS:GO. On CS:GO, playing on anything less than ~150 is horrible, with or without a 144Hz monitor. CS:GO is a special case compared to most games out there because of CPU dependent it is (mainly from it being coded with C++) and from how having higher fps increases the smoothness even when your eye cannot register the affects of the higher fps. Now, that's not to say that Ryzen sucks booty when it comes to CS:GO, since I have the Ryzen 7 1700 and am getting ~400 fps and it all seems fine and dandy, but AMD has always been known to struggle when compared to Intel. I'm sure if I had the new Ryzen 3900X or a Intel i7-9700K, I'd be getting well over 700fps with my setup (maybe even well over 700fps with an Intel i7-7700K or whatever Intel had out when the Ryzen 7 1700 was released). Either way, I'm not saying Ryzen was horrible with CS:GO, just that Intel was always the go-to for CS:GO professionals and anyone super serious about playing CS:GO and having the least latency or other variables that could somehow hinder their performance. *tl;dr* Ryzen was never _bad_ for CS:GO, it was just inferior to Intel up to this point when professional play was in mind.
@@FiniteCS okay you can't sit here and tell me 400fps ain't smooth lmao you can't be _that competitive_ to legitimately need _more than 400 inputs per second_
The heck, I never said anything about 400fps not being smooth. That shit is like butter to me after only being able to get 180fps and only 100-140fps on my laptop. I was just showing an example of how even older Ryzens got good fps, just probably not as good as the newer ones or older/newer Intel CPUs. I just said you need a lot more than 60fps in CS:GO for the experience to be good, and even more for it to be competitive.
There is an interesting fact about (windows) CS:GO. The game is compiled using an Intel compiler which means it is optimized towards the Intel platform as much as possible, making the performance gap shrinkage of the new CPUs extremely surprising from the AMD side.
Keep up the good content man, Odgrub vs Skyrim was kinda of life changing, cuz I was sad and it was really hard to make me laugh but you did it. Thank You :)
@@batt3ryac1d what is a 4590k? 4690k is showing its age. The 4790k is still a very good cpu. And it really depends on what resolution you play at. High resolution is more dependent on the GPU and 1080p at high framerates is more dependent on the CPU.
I really dig you tossing your 2 cents on the current tech scene. I'm certain you saw what Jim from AdoredTV has been dealing with, so seeing more people chime in on tech is nice. Not just for more tech talk, but also because I like when content creators try to diversify in whatever ways work for them. Yours and Jim's videos on Ryzen back when the Zen lineup first launched is what really got me into PCs on a more enthusiast level, and it makes me happy to see you come back to it every now and then. Suffice to say, great stuff as always! And the affirmation that someone I like and appreciate has similar views on the 7nm launch makes me feel a little better about it all too :P
Short and descriptive as of the situation at _this_ moment of time. Really enjoying the perspective. A revisit like your Polaris video would be interesting in a couple of years.
The 5700 XT is a really cool mid-range option for its price. I'd say it's the only impressive one. The regular 5700 needs a bigger price cut to actually standout since currently it doesn't. I want to build a new PC with a 5700 XT and R5 3600 but first I have to see where prices settle around.
lmao I was literally in the process of building a pc with the same parts. Being able to compete with the GTX 2070 but being over $100 cheaper is ont of the best options for mid to high tier gaming.
@@gigigigiotto1673 navi isn't done yet, they only released the "570" tier of that architecture. More than likely a "580/590" tier of it will be released. With all the "limits" that came with the 5700/5700XT, the 5800/5900 will probably come put with better production just like the refresh from RX 4XX to RX 5XX.
I'm amazed you followed their GPU launch closely, Freesync also adds value since those 144hz screens are cheapers than G-sync ones. Also AMD kinda "teased" it a few months ago , saying that they will be releasing NAVI cards with gtx 1080 performance for 200-250 price range at the end of the year.
When the GPU and hopefully monitor prices will go down, It will be an awesome time to be "an average+ gamer", I also think most people have their system bottleneck on those two and well... upgrades are not so cheap right now.
The radeon image sharpening is HUGE, phil! You missed its appeal to pros! Imagine having the lower resolution but upscaling the visuals so not only can you see better like a higher resolution while running at a lower resolution keeping those high frame rates!
but it's a simple sharpening filter, i can do the same with reshade and a bit of tweaking. Also since amd sharpening is open source, i can directly put it into reshade
Hey man, the video just got out so you might read this one, Odgrub was awesome ! and the behind the scene series was very interesting, keep up the good work !
Leo C I meannnn technically they are still second cuz nothing beats a nice titan rtx or Rtx 2080 Ti and cpu is either a tie or close to first which is still second tho
@@flamingarsenal7897 amd CPUs win are about 5% worse at 1080p gaming, but they are the clear choice in 1440p. Negligible for difference in gaming and monster productivity increase over intel.
It is possible that they'll ship something RDNA based to replace Radeon VII, however it's quite unlikely seeing as the pro-sumer/datacenter based cards seem like they'll be on GCN for the foreseeable future because of the higher compute performance. Here's hoping, though!
@@TridonsEve Shame AMD locks their products like that on the OG versions though. The 5700XT can be overclocked to 2080 levels of performance with water cooling.
If the games industry would make games I would want to buy I would care more about CPU/GPU stuff but until then I will continue playing the same fun games Ive been playing for the last 3 years. Good vid nonetheless Phillip!
Loving my new 3600/vega 56 build so far,been waiting almost 10 years to be able to build a decent gaming pc for less than 900 bucks,still hope the motherboard voltages/temp issues will be fixed in time.
2019 has been a great year for AMD. I'm gonna be getting a Ryzen 5 3600 at the end of the year and probably a RX 5700 or an older Vega 56 since I play at 1080p at the moment.
its interesting to see this, nearing two years later. that AMD would eventually take the performance crown with zen 3 may have been expected, but their GPU launch was actually better than i anticipated, so much so that i lucked out and got a 6800xt. though the part where you said anything about gpus hitting rock bottom prices hurt even me...
I'm intending to fully upgrade my rig but bought a 1440p 144hz G-sync monitor. Meaning I should really stick to Nvidia, but between the 2070 super and 5700XT (the power I'm looking for) is a price difference of approx. $300 AUD. Should have waited just a month longer for a new monitor :( haha.
Can't you still return your monitor? Might be an option if you have had it for a few weeks. Why did you get a G-Sync tho NVIDIA supports FreeSync now too.
@@stefvanderstraeten8921 90% of FreeSync monitors work on NVIDIA. My $200 1080p 144Hz works fine it was even activated by default although not being "verified"
@@stefvanderstraeten8921 dlss is useless, sharpening gets a sharper image than dlss. Ray tracing would be the only thing the 2070S has but that is in no way worth 300AUD
Hey man great video, I enjoy your dives into tech discussion. I too cannot wait to see what AMD 4400G is like. Hopefully it'll be a 6 core Zen2 + Navi, that'd be amazing!
A few months back, I upgraded my GTX 660ti for a VEGA56 when they got on sold, I am super satisfied to be honnest. great purchase. Especially with such a price cut.
I play on a 1080p 60hrtz screen, I've been thinking about switching to 2k 60hrtz or 1080p 120hrtz for a while, still can't make my mind. (2k 120hrtz is out of my budget.)
Nvidia doesn't just charge you more because the have Ray Tracing - they *have* to charge you more because all the Raytracing and Tensor Cores use a lot of Die Area which costs a lot of Money (and reduce Yields)
honestly doubt ill care abt raytracing at any point, especially playing games like cs, rust, gmod etc where looking like shit is either the only way you can run the game or its just kinda the aesthetic. another amazing video, thanks
If you consider overclocking the Grafickkards anyday. Because while ryzen does basicly not have headroom, the 5700xt overclocks to 2080 levels of performance
I don't know if I agree that these will be the last cards to support RTX in any capacity. For now at least I believe AMD and Nvidia should and perhaps will focus on getting higher framerates on higher resolutions. 120Hz@4k or 240Hz@QHD are the first that come to mind. Especially now that cable standards have picked up on speed to support those things. Raytracing is a great feature that will dominate the future, but for now at least, the sacrifice in performance - and space on the card for that matter - probably isn't worth it. A great video though, I especially like how you always compare the two companies very objectively! Never felt like you prefered one or the other.
Ah c'mon mate! We all both knows what AMD and Nvidia top priorities are. More sales number, more profit margin, more revenue, in an effortless, costless, timeless way possible.
@Bernard Gliff My point is that raytracing won't be able to be done efficiently enough to benefit games. Almost none of the major engines have any form of support for it yet. And that's my point exactly, there will be cheaper and cheaper graphics cards who can handle 1440p and 4k. I never disagreed with the fact that raytracing makes games look good, however I will disagree that high resolution doesn't make games look good, because it does. Raytracing is a great feature, but it's hardly worth the effort when most modern non-realtime solutions look about 70% as good with twice the FPS.
@Bernard Gliff I was only disagreeing with the sentiment that resolution doesn't make games look better. I fully agree that raytracing has a bigger effect on the overall visual appearance. However to my mind games nowadays look more than good enough with neither 4k nor raytracing, however I would rather prefer having larger screens with higher Hertz to enable a smoother gaming experience. LowDPI looks terrible, hence I personally believe that raytracing is less of a necessity at the moment.
When I was looking to see what CPU my current machine should I have, I was still kinda on the fence with AMD. Leaned in when I saw the price of the R5 3400G, completely fell for Ryzen when I saw LowSpecGamer play VR with only that and its integrated Vega GPU. If it can do that shit, it's a fuckin keeper and I have not regretted choosing AMD for my CPU.
Thank you for this informative video. I've been contemplating on buying a new GPU for a while, and had to really think things through after watching this video. On one hand, 5700XT is only 3/4 of 2070 Super's price, and is arguably a better purchase (cheaper and about as good, both of the cards have their own ups and downs), but on the other, 2070S supports ray tracing and more importantly works together with my G-sync monitor. I wasn't aware of Nvidia's new AA technology but seems like I won't be able to harness it anyway due to its performance issues, which means that AMD's simple sharpening option is actually more effective. Even though I'd REALLY love to buy 5700XT, I'm kinda sad that I have to buy the similarly-performing, more expensive 2070 Super, because it supports my monitor. I've never been a fan of Nvidia's business practices; because they own the high-end market, they can get away with ripping off customers who want great performance in the long term. That said, I was quite pleased about AMD's price juggling, and I hope that customers take advantage of this and use their money wisely now that there is a clear shift in the market prices. I also hope that the graphics card prices will be brought down for good in the future, when Intel enters the GPU market. Fingers crossed!
You probably already know this, but NVidia now support FreeSync (I think from 1000 series up). Therefore, FreeSync works for both AMD and NVIDIA. I know that doesn't really help you at the moment (sorry), but hopefully everyone else will consider that with their next monitor purchase. Although, the monitor is probably one of the components that people replace the least. I don't know much about FreeSync2 and whether that's compatible with NVIDIA. Unfortunately, that could be a new feature that divides the two. Also, Nvidia FreeSync is currently only supported over displayport, which means it wont work with TV's that only have adaptive sync over HDMI (AMD does support over HDMI).
Currently raytracing support is almost useless since it can't even be fully harnessed. It is basically a gimmick for now, I think it will become a real gamechanger (or graphicschanger) but not yet.
@@elythas128 I know, but I'll have to buy Nvidia because my monitor supports G-sync. Ray tracing is basically a little bonus that doesn't really do anything at the moment.
@@OohhFudge Ouch, I wasn't aware of that. Good to know though. Had I known this, I wouldn't have intentionally avoided Freesync monitors. I guess that's the price I pay for my ignorance (literally!)
If i remember correctly, AdoredTV did a calculation based on Vega64's shrink to a lower node. He came to a conclusion that if NVidia did go to a lower node they would be behind in [Performance/Die Size] which means a higher manufacturing costs on an already expensive node. NVidia simply cannot go to 7nm without a major architecture improvements.
the "they will cram more cu's" thing is kinda wierd. Themonetary restriction isn't how many cu's you have but how many transistors you have, its not like radeon vii had 60 cu's so next navi card will have more cu's as easily, vega vii had 13b transistors , 5700xt has 10.5b, so there's a possibility for 10 more cu's without exceeding the manufacturing cost of a vii(without the hbm2). The reason they didn't make a card with 50 cu's is because they would be bottlenecked by the memory spped and they would have to use hbm2 to make improvements, which costs, so they didn't made a bigger card, and they wont , untill they manage to overcome the bandwidth limitations, the new consoles will use 16gb of gddr6 ram both for cpu and gpu and thats because the more gddr6 packages the more the bandwidth and so they will improve the cards by using more ram(and this way without the ram bottleneck they will have more cu's and higher clocks to make use of it) but making a desktop gpu with 16gb of gddr6 makes it really expensive . in consoles thay make it work cause tehy use it as system ram too but in pc's they cant do that sooooooo we w8 and we ll see
Now, if they focus on higher clock speeds and OC-headroom for their next generation, things will start to get really interesting. Though, when it comes to price to performance on Ryzen 3xxx, it's way ahead Intel.
Biggest problem with the 3000s was as you said, the UEFIs. While my 1400 was plug and play at launch, I needed one afternoon to even get the 3600 to post. Still needs half a minute to post so yeah; If anyone is thinking about buying an r5 3600 with a b450, just give it a few months
I love AMD, and haven't built a system that didn't use an AMD CPU. In fact, I recently received my 3700X and the motherboard should be here tomorrow! BUT! .... I just can't recommend their GPU's... At least not yet :( However, AMD has really been killin' it for the past few years, I think they'll get there on the GPU side of things eventually. Currently, I have a 1080Ti ftw3, so I won't be upgrading anytime soon. Hopefully AMD will have it together on the GPU side of things by the time I do need upgrade my GPU, as I would love to have an all AMD build.
I hope people realise that amd on their recent driver updates the entire rx series saw a performance increase, heck their rx 5700 performs in a lot of games slightly better or even with the rtx 2070, while everybody was saying the 5700 was supposed to be the rival of rtx 2060, the funny part is that the new design line up from retailers might get a price drop on certain cards, maybe single fan cards. Also don't forget most games use dx11 as API while vulkan works better, so you may expect soon game developers yo optimise their games more towards amd since they technology is on the next generation consoles.
I'm still running a 1700 overclocked to 4GHz. It's still a great CPU and haven't felt the need to upgrade at all. Hopefully the 4000 series will still be comparable with the AM4 socket. I'll try and wait until the 8-core or 12-core 4000 series gets discounted. We'll see.
Knowing raytracing, they could possibly get some acceleration in there to attract more people, as well as devs jumping on developing more games/apps using it. I await what AMD will do, since RTX still has no competition.
You also missed that the 3rd gen Ryzen CPUs had various bugs aside from the motherboard issues, such as having issues with Destiny 2, the recent Monster Hunter, and systemd.
GCN *is* actually super power efficient, more so than nvidia. The problem is just that AMD had to push the clocks so high to compete that the cards essentially came overclocked out of the box, ruining the power usage.
@randomguy8196 It is more efficient. Perf/W decreases when you increase clock speed. Navi being more efficient has everything to do with them being able to reduce the (relative) clock speed and little to do with Navi being more efficient as an architecture.
@randomguy8196 What is so hard to understand? They pushed gcn with the rx 500 over the limits. Quick example with my rx 570b8gb: 1200MHz@900mV=100W 1300MHz@1000mV=140W 1380MHz@1100mV=180W+
The new CPUS on old Motherboards thing really isn't that big of a deal. There are just new beta bioses that drop support for Athlon CPU's in favor of Ryzen 3000 because of the ROM size limitation. I upgraded to a 3700x and it worked flawlessly on my b350 board.
You missed that by the time ray tracing is implemented well, even the 2080Ti will be too weak to run it. The first cards to support unified shaders didn't run them well once they were prevalent.
That 40 vs 60 compute units comparison against Vega and Navi beating Vega despite lower specs. Yes, but only in games due to Vega compute units being underutilised the way pipelines are fed by games. In machine learning or other non-CUDA compute flows they are very much utilised and Vega 7 often trades blows with 2080TI. Sadly, Vega cards were never really suited for gaming, those are just re-purposed datacenter cards.
@@aguy3664 in the uk i picked up the 2700x for £220 which was actually cheaper then a 3600x also the 2700x is a 8 core 16 threads cpu unlike the 3600x which is only 6 core 12 threads i do more then play games on my computer so the extra cores and threads will help alot
metalsonic91 3600 beats it at almost everything work related losing only in thread heavy jobs and 3600x is like overclocked 3600 so its easy win for 3000 series
AMD GPUs always seem compelling but I feel like the distance between the slightly better nvidia card increases. You might save some money for a slightly slower performance but the amd driver will give you so many headaches. Nvidia cards are just better supported by the devs. I had to learn that with 2 amd gpus (and still owning one).
Building a new PC for CP2077 and getting a new Ryzen for CPU almost certainly. As for GPU I'd say about 60% I'll get AMD since Raytracing is a gimmick still, in 5 or so years it will be more common I can get a new GPU then
CPU = get AMD for value.. GPU = Get Nvidia for performance. I honestly hope AMD can compete both on the GPU and CPU...it will be great for us gamers and lowers the prices.
It seems like they are pushing hardware to a huge extent for very little improvement in software graphics. Comparing Far Cry 3 released in 2012 with Far Cry New Dawn in 2019 a full 7 years later, the graphics are only very slightly noticeably better. The most striking difference is they've turned up the contrast. But in 2012 we were still on 20nm hardware and now we are pushing 7nm. Graphics cards are physically twice the size and twice the price despite that advancement. We are butting up to physical limitations of hardware, and advancements are mostly going to come from software.
2kliksphilip Sure, you seem trustworthy, but it wouldn’t be the first time a youtuber got in some shady business. I would disclose in the description you are not affiliated with AMD, for the timing is what was fishy. I’m probably not the only one who saw this video and thought that.
Personally Navi is far more exciting for me. Zen 2 is a good revision - it pretty well kills off anything south of the 9900k IMO. But Navi? It's a tremendous leap over Vega - thanks to the GCN vs RDNA. And this is just comparing to Vega. Comparing to Turing? 5700 beats the 2060 by 10%~, 5700xt beats the 2060s/2070 by 10%. 5700xt is 5 - 7% slower then the radeon 7 and 1080ti and 7 - 10% slower then the 2070s. They've pretty much knocked off 3 of Nvidias cards with 2 of their own. Although I can't say the dammed coolers helped show that off... Drivers I don't mind to much, this is the most "new" we've seen in a long while so it's to be expected. Albiet AMD were on some mad drugs if they thought dropping 2 new architectures on the same date were a good idea. Ray tracing is something I'm fine with by the way. I'd expect that'll be the next set from AMD - and it's not like Nvidia's current offering is sustainable. It'll be whatever AMD brings that'll be that future thanks to the consoles.
I am waiting on buying my 5700 xt for AIB cards to come out in the middle of this month.The thermals sucks right now. Other than that, I am riding this hype train.
See, the reason I don't care too much about ray tracing is that it'd only be useful to me in 3D modeling, and nVidia is being all secretive about their tech and not releasing the SDK so Blender can't support it. It took forever to get CUDA support, and that's even still somewhat experimental. I like how AMD releases their tech so people can actually make use of it (also see: OpenCL - while not created by AMD, it is utilized by them in place of CUDA)
@@doufmech4323 That depends on what you want to do. The 3900X has it all so if you are willing to pay the price you can't go wrong with it. If you don't need 12 cores and are more focused on gaming then you are better of saving a few pounds and going with the 3700X. On the other hand if you only want to do productivity tasks which are optimized for many cores and don't need the single core performance you might be able to get a good deal on one of the older threadripper models.
My argument is that Ray Tracing's performance hit simply creates too much of a price premium for the feature to work well on especially such limited support. I honestly believe it was for the better for them to not have it. I think the feature simply doesn't add enough value for most people to justify the cost. This is especially when Nvidia is cycling out amazing GPUs that they had already simply to force other people to buy their newer products.
@@MapleLeafAce not many games use Physx and the drivers don't even really get updated. The hardware hasn't changed or advanced and at this point it is a tool used to hinder performance for competitors. Borderlands 2 and Presequel still run like shit on modern hardware due to Physx particles. The fix is literally going into the files and updating the size of the particles to something much smaller. This is even on my 1080 and actually using CPU to manage the Physx particles now leaves me with better framerate. Even if RT becomes standard, why up the cost of a product when it's nearly impossible to run the very few games that can at an actually enjoyable framerate? It becomes an expensive toy and most people would rather their money go into performance. Every one of my friends would rather pay less for the same regular performance or the same for better. RT will be cool when it's better implementation is here but I never want it as a standard unless it has 0 performance hit. Otherwise I'll just turn it off like most people do to keep steady FPS at 100 or above in most scenarios. Most times slightly worse shadows or filtering or even render scaling is preferred especially when sharpening techniques are available to the game to compensate. I'm all for good looking games but it just reminds me of every other new tech that gets shut off until it is just something used as an accent and not as just some full fledged toggle. Devs go nuts with these instead of using them in minimal ways for overall improvement.
The Radeon 5700XT is interesting because people with actually not hot fucking garbage custom cooling blocks have overclocked it to levels which match the 2080 on launch drivers. The problem with the Radeon 5700 and 5700XT is the blower and AMD's focus on crippling the best graphics cards they have ever released. They even have a firmware-level overclocking limit which had to be bypassed. Other than that, the 3900X is a fantastic start, and once optimizations are made for multi-die processes they'll be significantly better than they are now. I'm extremely optimistic of how this hardware is going to grow over the years, and my incoming 3900X/5700XT build is probably going to last me the next 5-10 years pretty reasonably. I wouldn't be surprised if a 5700XT with proper cooling grows to be on par with or surpass the 2080 Super, assuming proper overclocking. AMD is in an extremely good spot right now, and I am excited for how things develop as they hit the peak of their driver optimization for this generation.
Philip, please keep on making content you want, honestly your 2kliksphilips channel is amazing, all your tech analysis videos, funny gaming videos, and especially your experimental videos are soooo gooood.
This 10000000000000x over
His videos are always great no matter what he speaks of. The writing is so good.
And don't forget to always add unnecessary lens flare in the thumbnail!
hear! hear!
I barely know anything about computer hardware but I like listening to your voice
same i havent even built one yet
Just read hardware specs, then talk about specs on like amd/intel/nvidia discord. It takes probably like a week to learn how to build your first pc.
You forgot to mention that AMD's Zen2 CPU lineup can _finally_ do really well on CS:GO, a game that's CPU dominated which in turn made it Intel dominated (until now)!
I use a Ryzen 5 1300x and I still push past 60fps on CS:GO with high settings. Either CS:GO uses my GPU more than I thought it did or AMD has always been able to run CS:GO.
Here's the problem: 60fps is great for most games out there, but is complete poop for CS:GO. On CS:GO, playing on anything less than ~150 is horrible, with or without a 144Hz monitor. CS:GO is a special case compared to most games out there because of CPU dependent it is (mainly from it being coded with C++) and from how having higher fps increases the smoothness even when your eye cannot register the affects of the higher fps.
Now, that's not to say that Ryzen sucks booty when it comes to CS:GO, since I have the Ryzen 7 1700 and am getting ~400 fps and it all seems fine and dandy, but AMD has always been known to struggle when compared to Intel. I'm sure if I had the new Ryzen 3900X or a Intel i7-9700K, I'd be getting well over 700fps with my setup (maybe even well over 700fps with an Intel i7-7700K or whatever Intel had out when the Ryzen 7 1700 was released). Either way, I'm not saying Ryzen was horrible with CS:GO, just that Intel was always the go-to for CS:GO professionals and anyone super serious about playing CS:GO and having the least latency or other variables that could somehow hinder their performance.
*tl;dr*
Ryzen was never _bad_ for CS:GO, it was just inferior to Intel up to this point when professional play was in mind.
@@FiniteCS okay you can't sit here and tell me 400fps ain't smooth lmao
you can't be _that competitive_ to legitimately need _more than 400 inputs per second_
The heck, I never said anything about 400fps not being smooth. That shit is like butter to me after only being able to get 180fps and only 100-140fps on my laptop. I was just showing an example of how even older Ryzens got good fps, just probably not as good as the newer ones or older/newer Intel CPUs. I just said you need a lot more than 60fps in CS:GO for the experience to be good, and even more for it to be competitive.
There is an interesting fact about (windows) CS:GO. The game is compiled using an Intel compiler which means it is optimized towards the Intel platform as much as possible, making the performance gap shrinkage of the new CPUs extremely surprising from the AMD side.
Keep up the good content man, Odgrub vs Skyrim was kinda of life changing, cuz I was sad and it was really hard to make me laugh but you did it. Thank You :)
I probably won't be upgrading my CPU for a while but AMD looking lowkey dummy thicc.
Bacon_Bitz27 indeed
I'm due for an upgrade cause that huge cpu backdoor fix really cucked my 4960k and they look 7nm THICC
@@batt3ryac1d what is a 4590k? 4690k is showing its age. The 4790k is still a very good cpu. And it really depends on what resolution you play at. High resolution is more dependent on the GPU and 1080p at high framerates is more dependent on the CPU.
'dummy thicc' Well, you've confirmed it, I'm officially totally out of touch with the kid's slang.
@@HeretixAevum Well ofc you are you have a doom guy profile pic. You're obviously not a younger guy.
I really dig you tossing your 2 cents on the current tech scene. I'm certain you saw what Jim from AdoredTV has been dealing with, so seeing more people chime in on tech is nice. Not just for more tech talk, but also because I like when content creators try to diversify in whatever ways work for them. Yours and Jim's videos on Ryzen back when the Zen lineup first launched is what really got me into PCs on a more enthusiast level, and it makes me happy to see you come back to it every now and then. Suffice to say, great stuff as always! And the affirmation that someone I like and appreciate has similar views on the 7nm launch makes me feel a little better about it all too :P
@ugaaa5 I don't think I've ever seen a more ironic comment. Gratz on the title there.
Short and descriptive as of the situation at _this_ moment of time. Really enjoying the perspective.
A revisit like your Polaris video would be interesting in a couple of years.
Don't know anything about GPUs and CPUs but somehow you're still entertaining
This is exactly why I watch philip's videos. He has such a lovely way of telling stories, explaining things...~
@Khaffit I mean... Did you watch the video?
@@2kliksphilip No problem, man!
@@2kliksphilip It's literally impossible to know two things at once
You should know if u ever plan on buying or building a pc
Swapped my 6700K with a 3700X. It's so much faster and better that's insane
What you gonna do with that 6700k?
Also how much faster is it? Almost double performance M
I’m going from a 6700K to a 3950X.
Why are you guys swapping CPUs already? Are the i7 not good enough anymore?
@@techbuildspcs Video Editing. Sold my 6700K with motherboard, RAM and cooler.
No the i7 didn't really do the job anymore
The 5700 XT is a really cool mid-range option for its price. I'd say it's the only impressive one. The regular 5700 needs a bigger price cut to actually standout since currently it doesn't. I want to build a new PC with a 5700 XT and R5 3600 but first I have to see where prices settle around.
lmao I was literally in the process of building a pc with the same parts. Being able to compete with the GTX 2070 but being over $100 cheaper is ont of the best options for mid to high tier gaming.
Thinking the same i want to go with ryzen 5 3600 and rx 5700 but waiting for the cut on the price of gpu or else imma have to buy the 1660ti
@@huleyn135 yeni ekran kartları ne zaman gelir ki? Eylul civari cekecegim bilgisayarı, amazon.com'dan almayi düşünüyorum. Fikrin nedir?
@@huleyn135 dolar/performans bakımından ve 1660tidan yuksek 2060 super mi almaliyim sence ya da rx5700 ?
@@huleyn135 2060 super hem daha pahali hem de 5700den cok az ustun hatta bf5 gibi oyunlarda 5700 onde bile kesinlikle değmez
AMD you legend. You've won in my books
Given the pace of advancements that ARM CPUs have had, they’ll threaten Intel and AMD in the next 3-4 years
@@wyw201 Meh?
@@kitrod Meh?
@@wyw201 Meh?
@@kitrod Meh?
Their CPU was the most important to GeT_RiGhT.
what about NaVi
@@gigigigiotto1673 It's not that s1mple
why did you deleded the comment, it was funny
why get right?
@@gigigigiotto1673 navi isn't done yet, they only released the "570" tier of that architecture. More than likely a "580/590" tier of it will be released. With all the "limits" that came with the 5700/5700XT, the 5800/5900 will probably come put with better production just like the refresh from RX 4XX to RX 5XX.
I'm amazed you followed their GPU launch closely, Freesync also adds value since those 144hz screens are cheapers than G-sync ones. Also AMD kinda "teased" it a few months ago , saying that they will be releasing NAVI cards with gtx 1080 performance for 200-250 price range at the end of the year.
true, but G-Sync is still more expensive
@@LucasFerreira-gx9yh If you are given the right new Monitors yeah, but they still cost more, at least for now.
When the GPU and hopefully monitor prices will go down, It will be an awesome time to be "an average+ gamer", I also think most people have their system bottleneck on those two and well... upgrades are not so cheap right now.
Odgrub must be in elder scrolls 6 at least as a legend, of the villain that got his redemption
love seeing you keep this channel up
The radeon image sharpening is HUGE, phil! You missed its appeal to pros! Imagine having the lower resolution but upscaling the visuals so not only can you see better like a higher resolution while running at a lower resolution keeping those high frame rates!
but it's a simple sharpening filter, i can do the same with reshade and a bit of tweaking. Also since amd sharpening is open source, i can directly put it into reshade
@@gigigigiotto1673 Hardware Unboxed tested this. But reshade has a performance penalty while RIS has not.
@@SciFiFactory yeah i saw the video too. But it's a very low performance drop
... which is mostly caused by the cooler.
@@gigigigiotto1673 yeah but reshade might get you vac banned
Hey man, the video just got out so you might read this one, Odgrub was awesome ! and the behind the scene series was very interesting, keep up the good work !
Love ever video you spit out. Thanks Philip
Really excellent job on the video.
Great video. But You missed that AMD did achieve ray tracing with Vega. No extra hardware was needed.
@@2kliksphilip th-cam.com/video/1nqhkDm2_Tw/w-d-xo.html they achieved it using cryengine.
I really like how AMD is now. They were always the second one in CPU and GPU. However, they have now made a comeback.
Leo C I meannnn technically they are still second cuz nothing beats a nice titan rtx or Rtx 2080 Ti and cpu is either a tie or close to first which is still second tho
FlamingArsenal AMD wins in the cpu market because while a 9900K might beat AMD’s newest CPUs by a bit, it costs like twice as much.
MapleLeafAce I agree
@@flamingarsenal7897 amd CPUs win are about 5% worse at 1080p gaming, but they are the clear choice in 1440p. Negligible for difference in gaming and monster productivity increase over intel.
Amazing content, thanks a lot mr kliky boi
Nice vid keep up the good work
Yesss, I was waiting for this!
Bought a 3900x, But I hope AMD will release something that can worth replacing my 1080ti in the next year or something
Probably not. Unfortunately their gpu line sucks booty.
It is possible that they'll ship something RDNA based to replace Radeon VII, however it's quite unlikely seeing as the pro-sumer/datacenter based cards seem like they'll be on GCN for the foreseeable future because of the higher compute performance. Here's hoping, though!
@@batt3ryac1d did you not watch the video?
Perhaps they will release an impoved Navi, with more computing units (as philip said in the video)? I think that might be able to surpass 1080ti.
Same here my dude.
I hope AMD is paying you for these videos. You're one of the few youtubers that talk about computer parts like a normal person.
Yeetles Law lol you mean watering it down
We need a non-blower Navi.
AMD,.what are you doing?
Should be coming such models from ASRock in August. Hoping to hear more this or next week :)
@@TridonsEve Shame AMD locks their products like that on the OG versions though. The 5700XT can be overclocked to 2080 levels of performance with water cooling.
@@mix3k818 we got some
@@fliqpythekiller9950 I know
If the games industry would make games I would want to buy I would care more about CPU/GPU stuff but until then I will continue playing the same fun games Ive been playing for the last 3 years.
Good vid nonetheless Phillip!
I really don’t connect with the Skyrim videos as it wasn’t a game I played, really like these kind of videos though thanks man
Hayden Morris dude its a tenner u should get it, with mods its like a minimum 2 hundo hours id say
Ah, my two favourite things, PC Hardware and Philip's silky smooth -voice- background music.
Loving my new 3600/vega 56 build so far,been waiting almost 10 years to be able to build a decent gaming pc for less than 900 bucks,still hope the motherboard voltages/temp issues will be fixed in time.
Nice choices, those are both great value right now, I'm buying a vega 56 aswell and it's only 250 dollars in germany for the nitro pulse!
@@thespanishinquisition7560 Don't forget to undervolt it ;)
2019 has been a great year for AMD. I'm gonna be getting a Ryzen 5 3600 at the end of the year and probably a RX 5700 or an older Vega 56 since I play at 1080p at the moment.
That THICC 64-core Threadripper/Epyc CPU at the end. 🤩GIMME!
Let me guess
To play minecraft?
@@SchimmelAufDemBrot4m + optifine
Very good content adaption for the mainstream ❤
its interesting to see this, nearing two years later.
that AMD would eventually take the performance crown with zen 3 may have been expected, but their GPU launch was actually better than i anticipated, so much so that i lucked out and got a 6800xt.
though the part where you said anything about gpus hitting rock bottom prices hurt even me...
good video as always friend
I'm intending to fully upgrade my rig but bought a 1440p 144hz G-sync monitor. Meaning I should really stick to Nvidia, but between the 2070 super and 5700XT (the power I'm looking for) is a price difference of approx. $300 AUD.
Should have waited just a month longer for a new monitor :( haha.
Can't you still return your monitor? Might be an option if you have had it for a few weeks.
Why did you get a G-Sync tho NVIDIA supports FreeSync now too.
2070 comes with dlss, which will give much better performance in titles that support it + you get to use your gsync
@@RoboGamerNL only on select, mostly premium, monitors
@@stefvanderstraeten8921 90% of FreeSync monitors work on NVIDIA. My $200 1080p 144Hz works fine it was even activated by default although not being "verified"
@@stefvanderstraeten8921 dlss is useless, sharpening gets a sharper image than dlss. Ray tracing would be the only thing the 2070S has but that is in no way worth 300AUD
Hey man great video, I enjoy your dives into tech discussion. I too cannot wait to see what AMD 4400G is like. Hopefully it'll be a 6 core Zen2 + Navi, that'd be amazing!
I'd love to see more technology videos
Another key thing to note is that the Navi architecture has matched Turing's IPC, putting the heat back onto Nvidia for a change
The tech videos are the best thing about 2kliksphilip.
You should try to make more tech analysis videos because you're doing a really great job with them.
Thank you for making these videos, you're the only person I trust to explain to me what's going on in the AMD market.
Good vid thanks
Other issues to sort out would be all the crashes, which may or may not be on the "incompatibile" older motherboards
I am really not into CPUs and GPUs, but your voice made me watch the entire video.
@@2kliksphilip Not really.
A few months back, I upgraded my GTX 660ti for a VEGA56 when they got on sold, I am super satisfied to be honnest. great purchase. Especially with such a price cut.
its a really good card especially ifyour doing 1080p gaming it, then it will last another 6 years.
I play on a 1080p 60hrtz screen, I've been thinking about switching to 2k 60hrtz or 1080p 120hrtz for a while, still can't make my mind. (2k 120hrtz is out of my budget.)
Inb4 the quantum effects at 7nm results in CPUs that gain consciousness and start bending reality to their will.
Nvidia doesn't just charge you more because the have Ray Tracing - they *have* to charge you more because all the Raytracing and Tensor Cores use a lot of Die Area which costs a lot of Money (and reduce Yields)
honestly doubt ill care abt raytracing at any point, especially playing games like cs, rust, gmod etc where looking like shit is either the only way you can run the game or its just kinda the aesthetic. another amazing video, thanks
Finally got to upgrade my Sandy Bridge =)
Honestly wish I could subscribe more than once
If you consider overclocking the Grafickkards anyday. Because while ryzen does basicly not have headroom, the 5700xt overclocks to 2080 levels of performance
I don't know if I agree that these will be the last cards to support RTX in any capacity. For now at least I believe AMD and Nvidia should and perhaps will focus on getting higher framerates on higher resolutions. 120Hz@4k or 240Hz@QHD are the first that come to mind. Especially now that cable standards have picked up on speed to support those things. Raytracing is a great feature that will dominate the future, but for now at least, the sacrifice in performance - and space on the card for that matter - probably isn't worth it.
A great video though, I especially like how you always compare the two companies very objectively! Never felt like you prefered one or the other.
Ah c'mon mate! We all both knows what AMD and Nvidia top priorities are. More sales number, more profit margin, more revenue, in an effortless, costless, timeless way possible.
@Bernard Gliff My point is that raytracing won't be able to be done efficiently enough to benefit games. Almost none of the major engines have any form of support for it yet. And that's my point exactly, there will be cheaper and cheaper graphics cards who can handle 1440p and 4k. I never disagreed with the fact that raytracing makes games look good, however I will disagree that high resolution doesn't make games look good, because it does. Raytracing is a great feature, but it's hardly worth the effort when most modern non-realtime solutions look about 70% as good with twice the FPS.
@Bernard Gliff I was only disagreeing with the sentiment that resolution doesn't make games look better. I fully agree that raytracing has a bigger effect on the overall visual appearance. However to my mind games nowadays look more than good enough with neither 4k nor raytracing, however I would rather prefer having larger screens with higher Hertz to enable a smoother gaming experience. LowDPI looks terrible, hence I personally believe that raytracing is less of a necessity at the moment.
LOL i thought THIS was 3kliksphilip and
when i saw the thumbnail, i said "why isnt this cs go"???
When I was looking to see what CPU my current machine should I have, I was still kinda on the fence with AMD.
Leaned in when I saw the price of the R5 3400G, completely fell for Ryzen when I saw LowSpecGamer play VR with only that and its integrated Vega GPU.
If it can do that shit, it's a fuckin keeper and I have not regretted choosing AMD for my CPU.
Im still using my Ryzen 5 3600x & RX 5700XT Sapphire Nitro+ from 2019 wating for RDNA4 still holding strong
Thank you for this informative video. I've been contemplating on buying a new GPU for a while, and had to really think things through after watching this video. On one hand, 5700XT is only 3/4 of 2070 Super's price, and is arguably a better purchase (cheaper and about as good, both of the cards have their own ups and downs), but on the other, 2070S supports ray tracing and more importantly works together with my G-sync monitor. I wasn't aware of Nvidia's new AA technology but seems like I won't be able to harness it anyway due to its performance issues, which means that AMD's simple sharpening option is actually more effective.
Even though I'd REALLY love to buy 5700XT, I'm kinda sad that I have to buy the similarly-performing, more expensive 2070 Super, because it supports my monitor. I've never been a fan of Nvidia's business practices; because they own the high-end market, they can get away with ripping off customers who want great performance in the long term. That said, I was quite pleased about AMD's price juggling, and I hope that customers take advantage of this and use their money wisely now that there is a clear shift in the market prices. I also hope that the graphics card prices will be brought down for good in the future, when Intel enters the GPU market. Fingers crossed!
You probably already know this, but NVidia now support FreeSync (I think from 1000 series up). Therefore, FreeSync works for both AMD and NVIDIA. I know that doesn't really help you at the moment (sorry), but hopefully everyone else will consider that with their next monitor purchase. Although, the monitor is probably one of the components that people replace the least.
I don't know much about FreeSync2 and whether that's compatible with NVIDIA. Unfortunately, that could be a new feature that divides the two. Also, Nvidia FreeSync is currently only supported over displayport, which means it wont work with TV's that only have adaptive sync over HDMI (AMD does support over HDMI).
Currently raytracing support is almost useless since it can't even be fully harnessed. It is basically a gimmick for now, I think it will become a real gamechanger (or graphicschanger) but not yet.
@@elythas128 I know, but I'll have to buy Nvidia because my monitor supports G-sync. Ray tracing is basically a little bonus that doesn't really do anything at the moment.
@@OohhFudge Ouch, I wasn't aware of that. Good to know though. Had I known this, I wouldn't have intentionally avoided Freesync monitors. I guess that's the price I pay for my ignorance (literally!)
@@TheHeavyModd Does it support freesync?
went from an fx6200 to a ryzen 5 3600. shit is dope
What happend to the total war series?
If i remember correctly, AdoredTV did a calculation based on Vega64's shrink to a lower node. He came to a conclusion that if NVidia did go to a lower node they would be behind in [Performance/Die Size] which means a higher manufacturing costs on an already expensive node. NVidia simply cannot go to 7nm without a major architecture improvements.
the "they will cram more cu's" thing is kinda wierd. Themonetary restriction isn't how many cu's you have but how many transistors you have, its not like radeon vii had 60 cu's so next navi card will have more cu's as easily, vega vii had 13b transistors , 5700xt has 10.5b, so there's a possibility for 10 more cu's without exceeding the manufacturing cost of a vii(without the hbm2). The reason they didn't make a card with 50 cu's is because they would be bottlenecked by the memory spped and they would have to use hbm2 to make improvements, which costs, so they didn't made a bigger card, and they wont , untill they manage to overcome the bandwidth limitations, the new consoles will use 16gb of gddr6 ram both for cpu and gpu and thats because the more gddr6 packages the more the bandwidth and so they will improve the cards by using more ram(and this way without the ram bottleneck they will have more cu's and higher clocks to make use of it) but making a desktop gpu with 16gb of gddr6 makes it really expensive . in consoles thay make it work cause tehy use it as system ram too but in pc's they cant do that sooooooo we w8 and we ll see
Now, if they focus on higher clock speeds and OC-headroom for their next generation, things will start to get really interesting. Though, when it comes to price to performance on Ryzen 3xxx, it's way ahead Intel.
Biggest problem with the 3000s was as you said, the UEFIs. While my 1400 was plug and play at launch, I needed one afternoon to even get the 3600 to post. Still needs half a minute to post so yeah; If anyone is thinking about buying an r5 3600 with a b450, just give it a few months
My 3700x works perfectly on my b350 board.
Presumably the big navi gonna be in the new consoles too
Can't wait to see this one!
cant wait to upgrade to a ryzen 5 this christmas
I love AMD, and haven't built a system that didn't use an AMD CPU. In fact, I recently received my 3700X and the motherboard should be here tomorrow! BUT! .... I just can't recommend their GPU's... At least not yet :(
However, AMD has really been killin' it for the past few years, I think they'll get there on the GPU side of things eventually.
Currently, I have a 1080Ti ftw3, so I won't be upgrading anytime soon. Hopefully AMD will have it together on the GPU side of things by the time I do need upgrade my GPU, as I would love to have an all AMD build.
new gpu are good only thing i dont like is stock cooler
I hope people realise that amd on their recent driver updates the entire rx series saw a performance increase, heck their rx 5700 performs in a lot of games slightly better or even with the rtx 2070, while everybody was saying the 5700 was supposed to be the rival of rtx 2060, the funny part is that the new design line up from retailers might get a price drop on certain cards, maybe single fan cards. Also don't forget most games use dx11 as API while vulkan works better, so you may expect soon game developers yo optimise their games more towards amd since they technology is on the next generation consoles.
Philip said "seven" twenty SEVEN times
I finally have my computer full AMD but without zen 2 , only zen+ and navi
I'm still running a 1700 overclocked to 4GHz. It's still a great CPU and haven't felt the need to upgrade at all. Hopefully the 4000 series will still be comparable with the AM4 socket. I'll try and wait until the 8-core or 12-core 4000 series gets discounted. We'll see.
Enică Eduard why would you want a system to be just one manufacturer? Seems like a bad way to get value.
Knowing raytracing, they could possibly get some acceleration in there to attract more people, as well as devs jumping on developing more games/apps using it. I await what AMD will do, since RTX still has no competition.
You also missed that the 3rd gen Ryzen CPUs had various bugs aside from the motherboard issues, such as having issues with Destiny 2, the recent Monster Hunter, and systemd.
GCN *is* actually super power efficient, more so than nvidia. The problem is just that AMD had to push the clocks so high to compete that the cards essentially came overclocked out of the box, ruining the power usage.
It's more accurate to say that GCN is only power efficient at low clocks, which is not really a place that desktop cards tend to be at.
@randomguy8196 It is more efficient. Perf/W decreases when you increase clock speed. Navi being more efficient has everything to do with them being able to reduce the (relative) clock speed and little to do with Navi being more efficient as an architecture.
@randomguy8196 What is so hard to understand? They pushed gcn with the rx 500 over the limits. Quick example with my rx 570b8gb:
1200MHz@900mV=100W
1300MHz@1000mV=140W
1380MHz@1100mV=180W+
The new CPUS on old Motherboards thing really isn't that big of a deal. There are just new beta bioses that drop support for Athlon CPU's in favor of Ryzen 3000 because of the ROM size limitation. I upgraded to a 3700x and it worked flawlessly on my b350 board.
Navi has a tiny die size if the wanted to the could easily increase the amount of CU and have an amazing card
You missed that by the time ray tracing is implemented well, even the 2080Ti will be too weak to run it. The first cards to support unified shaders didn't run them well once they were prevalent.
2kilksphillip: AMD advocate.
I had high hopes for Navi, only to be disappointed.
Then a week went by... And I realised it's not disappointing at all
At least 5800 will beat 2080ti
That 40 vs 60 compute units comparison against Vega and Navi beating Vega despite lower specs. Yes, but only in games due to Vega compute units being underutilised the way pipelines are fed by games. In machine learning or other non-CUDA compute flows they are very much utilised and Vega 7 often trades blows with 2080TI. Sadly, Vega cards were never really suited for gaming, those are just re-purposed datacenter cards.
i waited till ryzen 3 came out and took advantage of lower price ryzen 2 and just upgraded my i5 3570k to a ryzen 2700x and couldn't be happier
metalsonic91 why would waste over 200$ on r7 2700x when 3600 is alot better at everything
@@aguy3664 in the uk i picked up the 2700x for £220 which was actually cheaper then a 3600x also the 2700x is a 8 core 16 threads cpu unlike the 3600x which is only 6 core 12 threads i do more then play games on my computer so the extra cores and threads will help alot
metalsonic91 3600 beats it at almost everything work related losing only in thread heavy jobs and 3600x is like overclocked 3600 so its easy win for 3000 series
AMD GPUs always seem compelling but I feel like the distance between the slightly better nvidia card increases. You might save some money for a slightly slower performance but the amd driver will give you so many headaches. Nvidia cards are just better supported by the devs. I had to learn that with 2 amd gpus (and still owning one).
Picking up a 5700 as soon any of the board partners comes with a custom cooling solution :D
Here's to hoping I can order a card this weekend already.
When are they coming 7th of august?
Building a new PC for CP2077 and getting a new Ryzen for CPU almost certainly. As for GPU I'd say about 60% I'll get AMD since Raytracing is a gimmick still, in 5 or so years it will be more common I can get a new GPU then
CPU = get AMD for value.. GPU = Get Nvidia for performance. I honestly hope AMD can compete both on the GPU and CPU...it will be great for us gamers and lowers the prices.
It seems like they are pushing hardware to a huge extent for very little improvement in software graphics. Comparing Far Cry 3 released in 2012 with Far Cry New Dawn in 2019 a full 7 years later, the graphics are only very slightly noticeably better. The most striking difference is they've turned up the contrast. But in 2012 we were still on 20nm hardware and now we are pushing 7nm. Graphics cards are physically twice the size and twice the price despite that advancement. We are butting up to physical limitations of hardware, and advancements are mostly going to come from software.
Video a day before amd earnings hmmm. Somebody’s invested.
2kliksphilip Sure, you seem trustworthy, but it wouldn’t be the first time a youtuber got in some shady business. I would disclose in the description you are not affiliated with AMD, for the timing is what was fishy. I’m probably not the only one who saw this video and thought that.
I truly believe that AMD would start to dominate next year if they keep going at the same pace.
Personally Navi is far more exciting for me. Zen 2 is a good revision - it pretty well kills off anything south of the 9900k IMO. But Navi? It's a tremendous leap over Vega - thanks to the GCN vs RDNA. And this is just comparing to Vega. Comparing to Turing? 5700 beats the 2060 by 10%~, 5700xt beats the 2060s/2070 by 10%. 5700xt is 5 - 7% slower then the radeon 7 and 1080ti and 7 - 10% slower then the 2070s. They've pretty much knocked off 3 of Nvidias cards with 2 of their own.
Although I can't say the dammed coolers helped show that off...
Drivers I don't mind to much, this is the most "new" we've seen in a long while so it's to be expected. Albiet AMD were on some mad drugs if they thought dropping 2 new architectures on the same date were a good idea.
Ray tracing is something I'm fine with by the way. I'd expect that'll be the next set from AMD - and it's not like Nvidia's current offering is sustainable. It'll be whatever AMD brings that'll be that future thanks to the consoles.
Any F1 fans keep hearing him say Radeon and hearing Raidillon at Spa?
64 compute units sounds like a dream
Philip, i don't want to be demanding but, schedule your videos to publish when they're done processing. Great video tho.
I am waiting on buying my 5700 xt for AIB cards to come out in the middle of this month.The thermals sucks right now. Other than that, I am riding this hype train.
See, the reason I don't care too much about ray tracing is that it'd only be useful to me in 3D modeling, and nVidia is being all secretive about their tech and not releasing the SDK so Blender can't support it. It took forever to get CUDA support, and that's even still somewhat experimental. I like how AMD releases their tech so people can actually make use of it (also see: OpenCL - while not created by AMD, it is utilized by them in place of CUDA)
6:45 Top AIB model's will cost $50-60 more
Btw. New chipset drivers today install proper amd ryzen balanced power plans. Good results like better temps and less jumpy voltages
Still deciding if I should get a ryzen 3800x or a ryzen 3900 (I hope the price is not too high)...
The 3800x offers no benefit over the 3700x.
Get the 3700x instead of the 3800x. Much cheaper and only 2% slower
@@Henrik0x7F but what about a 3900?
@@doufmech4323 That depends on what you want to do. The 3900X has it all so if you are willing to pay the price you can't go wrong with it. If you don't need 12 cores and are more focused on gaming then you are better of saving a few pounds and going with the 3700X. On the other hand if you only want to do productivity tasks which are optimized for many cores and don't need the single core performance you might be able to get a good deal on one of the older threadripper models.
My argument is that Ray Tracing's performance hit simply creates too much of a price premium for the feature to work well on especially such limited support. I honestly believe it was for the better for them to not have it. I think the feature simply doesn't add enough value for most people to justify the cost. This is especially when Nvidia is cycling out amazing GPUs that they had already simply to force other people to buy their newer products.
Tenfootgiant people said that about PhysX and now it’s an integral part of game dev.
@@MapleLeafAce not many games use Physx and the drivers don't even really get updated. The hardware hasn't changed or advanced and at this point it is a tool used to hinder performance for competitors.
Borderlands 2 and Presequel still run like shit on modern hardware due to Physx particles. The fix is literally going into the files and updating the size of the particles to something much smaller. This is even on my 1080 and actually using CPU to manage the Physx particles now leaves me with better framerate.
Even if RT becomes standard, why up the cost of a product when it's nearly impossible to run the very few games that can at an actually enjoyable framerate?
It becomes an expensive toy and most people would rather their money go into performance. Every one of my friends would rather pay less for the same regular performance or the same for better. RT will be cool when it's better implementation is here but I never want it as a standard unless it has 0 performance hit. Otherwise I'll just turn it off like most people do to keep steady FPS at 100 or above in most scenarios.
Most times slightly worse shadows or filtering or even render scaling is preferred especially when sharpening techniques are available to the game to compensate. I'm all for good looking games but it just reminds me of every other new tech that gets shut off until it is just something used as an accent and not as just some full fledged toggle.
Devs go nuts with these instead of using them in minimal ways for overall improvement.
The Radeon 5700XT is interesting because people with actually not hot fucking garbage custom cooling blocks have overclocked it to levels which match the 2080 on launch drivers. The problem with the Radeon 5700 and 5700XT is the blower and AMD's focus on crippling the best graphics cards they have ever released. They even have a firmware-level overclocking limit which had to be bypassed. Other than that, the 3900X is a fantastic start, and once optimizations are made for multi-die processes they'll be significantly better than they are now. I'm extremely optimistic of how this hardware is going to grow over the years, and my incoming 3900X/5700XT build is probably going to last me the next 5-10 years pretty reasonably. I wouldn't be surprised if a 5700XT with proper cooling grows to be on par with or surpass the 2080 Super, assuming proper overclocking.
AMD is in an extremely good spot right now, and I am excited for how things develop as they hit the peak of their driver optimization for this generation.
More videos like these please.