AMD's Fury VS my Rage
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- My rage at the Fury GPU line-up, which in my opinion is a way of artificially increasing how much we pay for GPUs. If this carries on then we may see a future where GPUs become much more expensive than they are today. And what if this happens further down the pricing stack?! Imagine a world where you need to pay more than $200 to get an acceptable budget GPU. $300, even!
EDIT: It seems this opinion has offended a lot of people as being fear-stirring nonsense. Even I can't imagine huge price increases in the GPU market happening, but I can see how they MIGHT, based on what AMD and NVIDIA are laying the foundations for with their current high-end cards. I'm sorry if that offends you, so please find the most common arguments against this video listed out, and responded to, below:
STFU COMMIE THEY CAN CHARGE WHAT THEY LIKE ITS A FREE MARKET
True, and if we're willing to pay higher prices then they'd be stupid not to charge them. I GET it.
'OMG THE CONSOLE ISNT BASED ON THE 7850 YOU PUSSY-ASS FAGGOT'
Okay, the Xbox One is nearer to the 7790 and the Playstation 4 closer to the 7870. It's not an important part of this video and I didn't want to get hung up on technicalities. I mean, technically the PS4 isn't a 7870 since it's custom and is slightly less powerful and underclocked!
THE GEFORCE 970 ISN'T THE SAME AS THE 780 OMG TWAT
I never said it was, I have no idea how this rumour even started. Please stop saying that I did since it's making other people think I said that, which somehow makes it the truth and makes people hate me more.
OMG 380 IS BASED ON THE 285 WHICH IS NEW TECHNOLOGY YOU WANKER
...But still a rebrand of the 200 series, which is the key part. And I acknowledge the new architecture at 3:40 (About 20 seconds after you tried posting that angry comment about how I got it all wrong). I also show that the new architecture doesn't improve performance at all. In some cases, it's actually made worse when compared with the 280.
U THINK THE 290 IS THE SAME AS THE 7970 OMG I STOPED WATCHING TO DISLIKE ALL UR VIDSDS
No, I don't think it's the same, but I can understand why you MIGHT have thought that when you see that diagram at 1:22 . I knew as I was doing it that the 290 is more powerful, but to get it accurate would mess up the layout of the graph since some 200 series can't be directly compared to the 7000 series and I'd have to stagger some of them and it would end up looking messy and confused. I didn't think it was worth it since the picture was only meant to show the newer generation sliding up slightly when compared with the older one, and the audience that this benefitted would be more confused from a technically correct comparison. But with hindsight, it would have saved me a few death-threats to do it right so in the future I'll try and avoid situations like this again.
NCVIDIA FANBOY U NEVER TRRIED AMD
Yes I have, I've had a number of AMD and ATI cards in the past
HAHAHAHDHDA WATS ATI U SPELTD AMD RORNG
No, it used to be ATI until AMD bought them.
LOLLLL SO ITS NOT ATI ANY MORE SO U ARE WRONG
Well, I guess if you're going to be like that then technically I am wr-
HAHAHAA FAGGOT NVIDIA FRANBOI FAGGOT U SUCK NVIDIAS TITES
Yeah
AMD's 300 series has been released to compete with Nvidia's 900 series. Both are underpowered for what tomorrow's games will throw at us. I moan that we're paying too much and that premium graphics cards is being exploited into becoming the norm if we want decent performance on latest games.
Know nothing about graphics cards? Hopefully you will by the end!
Know something about graphics cards? Post hatred in the comments section and I'll try to work out whether you're an AMD or Nvidia fanboy based on what you hate me for!
Seriously though, I'd hate to have a biased outlook on this important topic, so with great pride, here's my GPU purchase history:
AMD Radeon 64 MB
Geforce 4200 TI 64 MB
Radeon 9600 XT 256 MB
Geforce 8800 GTS 640 MB
Radeon 4850 512 MB
Geforce 650 TI
Radeon 6870
Geforce 670 2 GB
And maybe I'm looking for an AMD graphics card but think that everything sucks at the moment. Provided they can get 4K screen capture on par with shadowplay, I'll be impartial.
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I can sustain a solid 5 fps on my Intel hd 3000 bf1
a great slide show for a ww1 documentary program
No, hd 3000 aren't that bad.
dont make me laugh...
I am mire superior, i have an intel hd 2000 come at me
@@thejavaman53 boi I looked it up its running battle field V at 11 fps lowest settings no anti aliasing, selling that thing is a war crime
Ayymd and novideo are the best
+0X0Patrick0X0 *Novideo*
Sir I love you, this is genius.
I like rule 3.5.
+0X0Patrick0X0 Its spelled: "I am D".
Personally I believe that in tell is better than ayymd with their seepeeyous.
+Rouge Requiem ? Intell has a graphics card? I know they have processors (mine is intell, but I am also using nvidea at the same time)
There's one important thing you missed. The reason the 300 series is a rebrand is because the 20nm node failed. The 300 series was supposed to be produced on the 20nm node, however there was huge problems with fabrication. Nvidia, with their deep pockets, designed the 900 series to tide them over, but AMD don't have that sort of luxury. The 14nm process is suitable, however, and will consist of the 400 series of cards.
3 years later, and now NVIDIA is the one doing this kind of sh*t.
+1
Just a little correction:
The 285 isn't a rebrand, it's their newest architecture, but the 380 is a rebranded 285.
The 270x is a 7870 rebrand and the 280x a 7970 rebrand.
+Sckhar Leviathan Clown , the 380X is a Full Chip version of Tonga / Antigua in 285 and 380 ! the 280X was a rebrand of the 7970 ...
+AMIGABLUEBIRD I wrote it wrong buddy, I meant the 280X, thanks for politely pointing that out.
i have a gforce 9800 GT on my PC... and i play CSGO... world of tanks... half life 3, and blah blah, penis.
***** you have half life 3 ? So you're working for valve or what ? :P
Hl3 spare copy? :D
***** 9800 master race. Highest number = best card.
+Perruso CSGO Half life 3? WWWWWWWWHAT????
Theyn Smith yep it came out yesterday
It's funny how how accurate this was as describing the next 5 years of the GPU market. The 900 series really was a gem. The 980 Ti at a msrp of 650 USD seems like an insane deal today. The 10 series was also pretty great, but it saw the msrp of the Ti return to the 700 USD mark of the 780 Ti. Prices just skyrocketed past that. AMD had such a weird time. Polaris ended up being the biggest success, with a long lifespan and disappointingly long relevancy. Fury felt like the Alpha to Vega's Beta. Both releases felt unfinished. I loved the Vega 56, but mostly for how awkward it was. It was power hungry, loud and not the best performer, but if you were a fan of performance tweaking and tinkering, it let you do a lot. I had hoped that the Radeon 7 would finally be the fully realized version of Fury and Vega, and in some ways it was, but after so long, a fully realized version just wasn't really that impressive. the Navi really showed how bad the market was. By any real measure, the 5700 and 5700 XT was a replacement to the RX 570 and 580, being sold at 1070 and 1070 Ti prices. in 2021, it's insane to think that the 200 USD market is only slightly better than RX 480/1060 level performance, almost 5 years after their release.
Actually, this explains a lot. I've always been an Nvidia user, and I thought the names were all in a row, with the exception of the 8800s at first. And I've never understood AMD's. But any help on why my new gtx 970 is only very slightly (if at all) better than my old gtx 660ti? I'm still a bit confused on Nvidia's.
Daily Cake Slice 970 is not only slightly better than 660 ti so your entire premise is wrong.
2kliksphilip I have an i5-3570K, going at 3.40GHz. I know it's not amazing but it should do the job, right?
Daily Cake Slice I have the same setup. It could depend on whether you're running stuff on an SSD as opposed to a mechanical drive, but it's probably just you.
(I upgraded from a standard 560 to the 970)
Daily Cake Slice 3570k should absolutely do the job without any hiccups :S, just checked out the topic on google a bit and it seems some guys are having this problem while others don't, could be the memory, weak PSU, faulty graphics card, anyway hope you sort it out
Daily Cake Slice Poke around in your mobo settings
Asus likes to enable random shit that messes with virtually everything, something could be throttling it on the bios end.
The 970 even outperforms a 770 by a decent amount, I play most games at 4x MSAA with my 970 compared to 2x with my old 770.
Do you know why companies exist?
To make money...
To give people some company.... :D
WickeD I actually laughed :D
WickeD yes companies goals are to make money, but you need to deliver a quality product for quality price for a company to make a lot of money, if your doing things listed in this video, you aren't the greatest company.
WickeD But AMD isn't making any money, they're actually losing it rapidly on their consumer parts division.
A lot of the reasons why are listed in this video, they are so uncompetitive, it's stupid. Even if their last generation of parts were good(the 300 series is as well, it's just kinda pointless in comparison to the last gen), they still fail to innovate at all.
WickeD to trade services or goods in exchange for currency
The 285 isn't a rebranded 7950 though. It's a brand new card.
+Topias Salakka Yep, the 280 is the rebrand of the 7950, not the 285 which is on gcn 1.2 instead and came out in 2014.
That's right, and the 390 and 390X are not rebrands of the 290 and 290X.
Venom Q ◣ | CS GO Those actually are rebrands. Just overclocked from factory with some other improvements.
+Topias Salakka Witch makes them Refresh NOT rebrand if you want to get technical ;)
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Wrong, the R9 285 was a brand new GPU that's on GCN 1.2, it had better tesselation, better memory compression and it supported FreeSync, something that the R9 280 and HD 7950 didn't have.
Rocking the Intel HD Graphics ALL the way !
Nope, no sarcasm at all.. AT ALL
Sorry but the 285/380 is not based on the 280 at all, The point is not that it has similar performance you simply got the tech details wrong. Just about everything is different from the bit bus to the architecture to the fact that one is capable of supporting tech like Free-sync while one is not. And yes I read your description additions which attempt to divert the subject by being pretty childish just like many of the comments people post but there not a new thing to You tube as you clearly know (you're not new to this) and you should know as a You tuber to ignore the lemmings and accept your own mistakes.
r9 390 > gtx 970 :D
200 and 300 series destroys in dx 12 :D
DX12 is shit. Vulkan is coming. :D
I'm mostly angry at AMD for allowing nvidia to price-gouge with Pascal by being unable to produce a competitive card.
vega competes with 1080 and it won't compete well. Hbm2 isn't cheap
Cem Parlar 1080 Ti and Titan XP *
Alan Chen We can't be sure but still I just want the gpus to be cheap as possible so I am hoping for a scenario like that.
Cem Parlar That's what 90% of the rumours say, but then again the RX 480 was hyped to rival the 980 Ti and that went well...
To be fair, the 480 is now only 2% behind the 1060. It was never meant to be a high end card. AMD purposefully kept the high end the way it is because vega is so close. Also, AMD has always aged well compared to Nvidia. Go look at the 290x (made to beat the 780) it now beats the 980 in many games and smashes the 970 when it used to lose.
I really like this channel. I want to see another 0 behind that subscriber count. However. there is a lot wrong with this video. The 300 series isn't just a rebrand. There are many improvements made to the 300 series, many many little details. The big ones being about a 20% increase in power compared to the previous 200 series, MUCH better temps, lower power draws, better overclocking abilities, and a bunch of small things I've found to be quite found of (one example is how Crossfire works on the 380 + cards).
Btw, the Fury X is probably the most technologically advanced GPU out there. It's water cooled, comes with a different type of memory, and is just as fast as a Titan X at 4k (and sometimes even superior). It really is a marvel, and it will age much better than the 980ti & Titan X
This comment didn't age well
ahhh getting a graphics card for $150, if only this was still possible
Some corrections. 280x is a slightly upgraded 7970 Ghz edition. 7950 was rebranded into 280 (with improved clock speed). 285 was a brand new design.
AMD is also desperate for any cash.. looks like they're on their way to going bankrupt. Hopefully some big company can buy them and turn them around. As gamers we need a competitive graphics card market.
I completely agree, but nowadays it is harder and harder to create things smaller, with extreme amounts of heat, and somewhere not too far into the future, quantum tunneling of electrons accross transistors. It used to be that every year, computing power would double. But that has now slowed down due to transistors that bridge gaps nanometers across, which is extremely hard to do. Transistors are holding us back, and we need new technologies that are smaller and more efficient, and when those come out, who knows what we could achieve.
Ok, the 301+ club...
shit...
Double - N not funny, just annoying.
***** Never said it was.
Double - N then why did you post this comment? what was the point? you were clearly trying to be funny.
***** Oh, that's what you mean, ok.
I can say the exact same thing about your comment, thumbs down the comment if that's what you're into.
its not that complicated on AMD side, nvidia sure they fucked up their naming,
first after ATI Rage series there are Radeon 7000 series until radeon 9000 series, then its replaced by X1000, which X is a 10 so its actually 11000 series, after that AMD replaced X by HD series from HD2000 until HD7000 series. after HD7000 series there are actually "rebranded" HD8000 series for mobile, and then it followed by HD9000 series but its name its not "HD9 " its renamed as R9, so the name is not just 200 series, it is R9 200 series, and then we go to R9 300 series then R10 400 series (named RX, and again X is 10)
so :
Radeon 7, 8, 9 then (should be 10.. but replaced by X...)
Radeon X03, X05, X06, X08, X09, X12, X13, X14, X15, X16, X17, X18, X19 then (should be X20.. but replaced by HD2...)
Radeon HD2, HD3, HD4, HD5, HD6, HD7, HD8 then (should be HD9... but replaced by R9...)
Radeon R9 200, R9 300 then (should be R10... but replaced by RX)
Radeon RX 400, ....
its still numbering roughly consistent
well that makes sense.
.......... does not make sense at all... atleast nvidia made more sense by releasing the 100 200. then 300. then 400. then 500. then 600. then 700 then 800 then 900 geforce series. Yes there was a gtx 880. And gtx 160.
Yeah but it still existed. same with the 100 series
2kliksphilip the r9 300 series are not complete rebrands as they have lower TDP and the r9 390 with a r9 290 cores performs better than the 290x also i think they went with the same archtecture because they are pouring all the R&D into the fury and zen cpus
john li He said that. They are better on PAPER, but in case of games - uh.
TheAmazur20 no jayztwocents did benchmarks of the r9 390 vs gtx 970 and the 390 is better in most games
Wisky Mo in my area at least the r9 390 is cheaper and someone in the UK says at their place they are the same price
john li it is, but wait for 970 8gb in q1 2016 :P also, sure - amd is sometimes better than nvidia, but just look for that tdp!
TheAmazur20 you mean gtx 1070 or what ever its going to be called and the tdp doesnt make that much difference maybe 10 cents more in electricity a month
The 200 series suddenly being "old" was good news for second hand market... I got my 290X at a mere 200 euro because it allowed better haggling. ;)
AMD`s 300 series were actually a good improvement by AMD if you see the 200 series and 300 series TDP, 200 series use a lot of power, and 300 series use the same as NVIDIA got with their "Maxwell" arquitecture.
Berna Yeah but here in aus you can get a 380 for the same price as a 290x. You would be an idiot to buy 300 series.
Correction. R9 285 was not a rebrand it was a new architecture
rebranded card win versus new cards i cri ;_;
+2kliksphilip Some of your facts about the generations are false.
But I do agree with the fact that fanboys are irritating
But you can't compare pricing and performance from 2006 to 2015, thigs have gotten a lot more expensive to produce, jumping a die size is getting very expensive, and is late.
We should hopefully be seeing the performance we want with sub 20nm, which should be 2016 tech.
2kliksphilip 7950 =/= R9 285,
Also I find it stupid that AMD renamed the GPU's AND the "core name" to avoid people realising that it's a re used gpu.
2kliksphilip the 285 and 265 are not re-branded from the 7000 series, they have a new architecture
2kliksphilip Not really major issues, but the 8800 GTS is the 9800 GTX(+)
The 280 is the rebrand of the 7950, the 285 (380) is a newer chip that has the same architecture version as the Fury and Fury X, GCN 1.2 released X after the 200 series debut.
And not related to the Titan, the reason the newer cards (The Fury X, 980 TI) are 650 dollars right now, is beacuse we've been stuck at the 28nm processing for a while now. That means, to physically pack more punch for a GPU, the die has to be larger. A larger die is more expensive. It's not the only reason for the price, but it is an important reason nonetheless.
***** "we've been stuck at the 28nm processing for a while now. That means, to physically pack more punch for a GPU, the die has to be larger. A larger die is more expensive. It's not the only reason for the price, but it is an important reason nonetheless."
^^ very good way to express it
2kliksphilip It's sort of misleading though, they're not the same card and have new technologies, lower TDP. You should of said that the 280x was a rebrand of the 7970, and the 280 was a rebranded 7950
In 2012 AMD released the 7000 series. In 2022, AMD released the 7000 series
yo 2021kliksphilip, you should watch this video by 2015kliksphilip on computer hardware and its pricing. it's incredible to me how well this has aged and how much of it still holds true!
when you choose new graphics card, just look at several important parameters: Unified shaders, Texture mapping units, Render output units. Just compare their quantity to the previous gpu. The more number of those your gpu has, the faster it is. I still use r7970 and it still performs very well on modern 2015 games.
Or just use gpuboss.con to do it all for you
+41Extremo never use gpuboss......
+boss1234234 Why?
+41Extremo because their stats are not accurate
+boss1234234 Really? What about the framerate
Still have a HD 7870. Still gaming just fine. I mean, it's not even worth getting an R9 270(x) or R9 370, since they're pretty much the same, architecture and performance wise. And I think you can get a HD 7870 for dirt cheap nowadays too.
nice video! now watch it 8 years later and weep :p
so... some misleading things tho... for example rebrand and refresh... rebrand = changing the name, refresh = slightly changes to better or worse, nothing to compete with titan? where is the 7990? where is the 295x2? don't get me wrong i'm not trying to be a fanboy, just be correct tho.. and also, if a card have new technology doesn't mean it will be super-hyper-ultra- fast is like comparing a six-core CPU to a 8-core CPU in games alone... what i'm trying to say here is if for example that card is the older one with a new technology who knows maybe the new one have the same performance in games but you can stream from it without performance lose (example VCE)
the r9 390(x) are actually better than the 290(x) 8gb vram not that that matters but it beats it by 10 fps and that without ocing so 390 is actually a pretty good card
+the gaming guy tom But you can OC the 290 and 290X to the clockspeeds of the 390 and 390X. Guess what? Same performance. But when comparing the 8GB versions, then the new ones are a bit cheaper. And you get the OC performance out of the box, so definitely not a bad buy overall.
Awesome video. The progress on graphics cards is VERY slow. I brought an Ausus 7970 3gb second hand for $90 AUD and it out performs my friends $320 gigayte r9 380. I felt sorry for him.
It's refreshing to see someone who views companies much in the same way I do.
They want money, not love. They don't care if they screw over a few (or most) of their fans as long as it is good for their bottom line.
They aren't "rebranded", though. That implies that it's the exact same thing with a new stamp. That's not the case. The 300 series all contain optimizations over the previous one. It's a refresh, not a rebrand.
280x is a 7970 ghz edition.
Thank you so much. My love for you and your videos is too big to put into words.
that's why Intel HD Graphics exist xD
Sure, technological progress hasn't been great recently, but I don't really agree with you Philip. Much like how Intel is running into cpu roadblocks, AMD and Nvidia have been stuck at 28 nm for a while and I'm not expecting substantial gpu gains that can power 4K until 14 nm chips drop next year. I don't think this is really a money grab, because if AMD or Nvidia could release badass cards that crushed the competition, they would; that would be the real cash cow. But, R&D, especially as technology gets more advanced, is extremely expensive, especially for AMD who is in a pretty rough financial state lol.
Also, a much better Nvidia example would have been how the 700 series recycled the 600 series Kepler architecture, which is much more like what the 300 series is doing and also much more recent.
So basically youre pointing out the obvious: that performance increase has been very minor the last couple of generations? This video should be called: "Graphic cards manufacturers VS my Rage".
(Not disagreeing at all, but only calling out AMD for this is intellectually dishonest, nvidia does the same shit.)
He mentions that nvidia does it towards the end of the video.
Sovietkitty I know but that doesnt change the title.
There is a mistake in the video: the 7950 has a thaiti chip which was relabled as the 280. later amd introduced the 285 with a new chip called tonga, and then that tonga chip with 4 instead of 2gb of memory got relabled as 380.
And btw. the Tonga chip is even in the Fury as doubled version.
3.5 gb.....................
who gets it?
ill leave.
i do still love my gts 450.
Something creative yea nvidia should have made it more clear.
haha, im getting 750 ti some time:P i was gonna get 390 or 970 but ill wait for hbm. also you seen how the 960 outperforms 780 in witcher 3? i call bull.
i might get 1070 on launch
Something creative idk what nvidia did with their drivers but its slowing down 700 series performance
thats why im hesitating between r7 260x and gtx 750 ti
AMD's cards are rebrands of the last gen, but they are improved. They feature better temps and/or lower power consumption (depends on the card), feature more VRAM, and are more powerful than the first appeared. Making this video when it first came out won't represent these cards fully. The driver support for the 300 series just wasn't there yet.
I do enjoy some of the points in this video, but you are wrong on some major points. These cards are major improvements over the previous cards. Here, look at the Witcher 3
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In the Witcher 3, the 290 lagged behind the GTX 970 by 5 or so fps. Now, the 390 has a 5fps advantage on the 970. That's a different of 10fps between the 290 and 390. A 20% increase in framerate in that particular game (which is a pretty damn well optimized game). Not only that, but the additional VRAM (and a few other improvements) allow these cards to tackle higher resolutions easier. The 390 is noticeably better at handling 1440p than the 290. Despite all this, the 390 runs significantly cooler than the furnace known as the R9 290.
Overall, look upon the 300 series as tweaked and slightly improved 200 series.
7970=r9 290 yep that's quite accurate in his world
I can confirm that the 290 is faster. My friend bought a 7970 as an upgrade to his 260, and it's about as good as a 280/380
I'm sure AMD wouldn't have resorted to these horrible marketing/pricing tactics if their engineers had actually made more new GPUs. However all of AMD's efforts for the past 7 years have been on HBM. Now that HBM is finally here we'll likely see AMD focusing on the actual GPU chip performance from now on. HBM2 GPUs will be here in 2016/2017 from both AMD and Nvidia which will likely blow everything out of the water since there's no longer any performance wall.
war, war never changes
just a note: nVidia's 8800 series, the GTS 320/640 and GTX (768?) were based on G80, a power hungry beast of a chip. Then the 8800GT was released, or G92, and then came the GTS 512 (which was faster than the original GTX AND GTS's), then it went on to be the 9800 series, and the 9800 GTX+ was G92B (a die shrink, but same design). Then it went on to become the GTS 240 AND 250 (I'm pretty sure it was both, the 240 being the GT and the 250 being the GTS/9800 GTX), before finally dropping out altogether. G92 and G80 arent really related other than by naming scheme thanks to the 8800 GT and GTS but was THAT successful of a chip that it spanned 3 generations, and defined 2. I had the GT, and the card maxed out (in fur mark) at 8.1 amps; 5.8 was the max in real-world games, translating to 96.957 and 69.426 watts respectively (thats JUST the video card draw from the PSU, actual wall draw was around 160 watts for a Core 2 Quad Q8400, 6GB RAM, a 64GB Vertex 2 SSD, 500GB SATA HDD, on a Dell Inspiron 531 board. So the G92 was a perfect example of a huge leap forward in chip design. I mean the 8800GTX already matched the dual card 7950 GX2, but the 8800 GTS 512 matched that AND cut power consumption in half or better.
Total mindfuck
I'm still using a 2 GB 6970 (ASUS DC2). It runs GTA V completely fine at like 60 to 70 frames and 1920x1080 pixels. Obviously not at maximum level of detail, but I'm not complaining. It also runs Just Cause 3 playably, so I see no reason to get a new overpriced card.
"Effectively slightly overclocked versions" of the older models, which "no sane person would see as progress"
So basically every intel 14nm refresh until they FINALLY got to 10nm.
'These cards aren't good investments' Shows how much wrong and surfacy this film is. Actually thanks to new APIs and the fact that AMD's drivers tend to cause huge overhead on CPUs that only is beginning to reduce right now, AMD cards start to show their full hardware potential. Owners of 390s and 290s will benefit for much better futureproofing than owners of 780s and 970s paying propably much less for the card. Graphics card is not just architecture.
lmfao. you still believe that? what ever happened to mantle. that was a failed API by AMD you know. stop defending a company when you should be pissed because their inferior cards and CPUs are allowing Nvidia and Intel to fuck us if we want the best possible solutions
+b brady Mantle got incorporated into Vulkan
And dx12, actually Mantle engineers, or coders or whatever they are, have been hired to work on dx12.
True but when AMD runs out of money, doesn't get bought and Intel and Nvidia stop development we will all regret it!
hello I am from the future and amd is in a good position as of late 2019
I got a 7950 2 years ago but one of the fans stopped working so my store replaced it for vapor 280x tri-x oc :D, so yeah I guess I'm covered (on 1080p front) for a few years.
I remember the mind and wallet fuck that was 8800 gts that I bought in 2007. Payed almost 500€ for it back then and it fried after 2 years just a few days after the warranty ended, but there was this miracle that descended from graphics card heaven called radeon hd4890 which cost less than 200€ for some reason (?) and it was like 60% better.
Different times I guess.
Btw great idea for a video man.
Make a video about what cards are worth the price since you've put so much time researching this
He actually just did, funnily enough.
yessss, I had a HD4850 by Powercolor (artic cooler) for my first proper dedicated graphics card. it was like £79.99 in Maplin for 1 day then instantly went back up to £140 (it's rough actual price) the following day, was the best 80 pounds I've ever spent lol, though when I got mine it was like 6th best card in the world I then went on to buy a HD7850 just because of the similar bang for buck.
I downloaded doom alpha a few weeks back and my PC has had it's day, too choppy to play competitively.
Polaris has been announced and it will be much much better and what we are hoping for compared to this older version.
+Umer Hamid And nvidia Pascal brings what ?
Driver update, so nvidia can kill the performance of the older GPUs XD XD XD
also, AMD polaris and Zen 4 lyfe
+The-BGR Spot they will both get upgrades since should release the new 14/16nm GPUs
+3rd World Gamer It will be low- to mid tier cards. No real high-end cards.
Gat Vega! for the high end stuff.
***** Better not be rebrands.
I like the outro bit.
Don't be a fan of the "best company", just carefully research what is the best part for your budget and buy it.
I have used Nvidia cards in ever PC I've built(had laptops before that, because I was dumb), but I am the first person to criticize Nvidia when they're pulling shit. Between shady performance on Kepler after the witcher 3 drivers and everything related to gameworks being a disaster, they've given people good reason to be wary of what they do... yet the fanboyism continues.
Meanwhile kids in Afrika have no video cards. :(
Meanwhile in America, people are too ignorant to worry about anything other than their first world problems, or to learn how to spell "Africa".
ahahahaahahahhaahaha sad, funny and true at the same time
Davin Liming Africa is pronounced as "Afrika" in many countries. Why assume that he's American?
Because it's the country that's easiest to make fun of for people being uninformed.
:(
But the r9 390 is not equal to the r9 290
On most benchmarks the r9 390 beats the gtx 970 while the r9 290x is just 5-10%
and because the r9 390 and gtx 970 are around the same price where i am it would make sense to go with the r9 390
Sure amd has re-branded but it doesn't matter, we the consumers are getting better cards for our money
I like Fury X and Nano. I think they are perfect at what they do. When Nvidia messes with the games and add stuff they want in the game, I expect there to be some catch for AMD users. AMD has taken the smart path. They have kept using GCN since 2011 which means they've taken backwards compatibility into account by continuing to make small modifications here and there
Nano is a GPU 2 times as powerful as a HD7970 but with a tighter power gap. For a small card with such minimal cooling you can't help but be impressed with it.
I'd like to see how the dual Fury X2 performs when crossfired with the Nano. 12000 shaders is nothing to write off as inferior
+Clockwork of Subs the problem isn't that nvidia adding stuff to the games but the problem is that they don't have an open source for those so amd can fix drivers, for example when Tomb Rider came out it was less optimized on nvidia but since amd's stuff is open source nvidia released almost instantly a driver fix on the other hand when games like watch_dogs and things was released nvidia didn't provided an open source and amd had to improvise
oh and about nano, LinusTech did a "7 pc 1 CPU" to make 7 virtual machines in a single pc and used 4 (if i remember) nanos in xfire.. runing crysis 3 on 7 virtual machines with @ 80-90 fps lel
+wabachi Yeah Nvidia have been implementing biased code in games they work with for a long time now but Gameworks has really taken things over the top by contractually making code inaccessible to AMD. People say AMD sucks but in the code they can run optimally Nvidia is struggling to pull ahead which is why they are forced to cheat in these ways.
There's also the massive controversy over Nvidia basically forcing their own customers to upgrade through Planned Obsolescence. In recent Gameworks titles like Project Cars and Fallout 4 you can see high end Kepler GPUs losing to low end Maxwell GPUs because of the code Nvidia chooses to implement.
The GTX780Ti a $700 GPU loses to the GTX960, a GPU that is more anemic is almost every way. The areas Nvidia is choosing to exploit give Maxwell GPUs an advantage over Kepler users, forcing Kepler owners to upgrade and giving Maxwell an edge in benchmarks to exaggerate their performance over Kepler and AMD GPUs. Its really shady stuff and its real but the message isn't getting out
Clockwork of Subs man.. you should have replyed to that guy who was high and low about the awesomeness of the 970 and how all amd cards are rebranded... some ppl clearly don't understand the facts and because of that they start calling everyone else fanboys..
+Clockwork of Subs man.. don't know but most of the nvidia users (there may be few good peeps but..) don't know what is price/performance... the guy that i was talking about in my early comments (you can see it for yourself in the comment section) just told to a guy that payed 140$ for a r9 270x to sell his card (witch he just bought it) and buy a gtx 970 (witch is 400$ ) logics.. soo hard sometimes. i still don't understand (sarcasm) how GTX Titan is 2fps faster then GTX 960 (entery lvl card) in games with gameworks...
wabachi It boggles my mind. A GTX780Ti matched by a GTX960? That makes no sense
Gotta understand that while the r9 290 series seems like a better buy the cooler on those cards are much older and will show. I myself purchased a Tri X R9 290, but had there been no option for that card I probably would have looked at 300 series.
Meanwhile the Fury X is sold for 380€/420$ in germany lol
I know right. Those prices would almost get me to buy one... If I didnt have one already
***** If only the NAno would drop further, my Air 240 doesn't really fit a fury.
Hahaha 300 bucks in the us xD
In france, it costs 650 euros... no kidding.. crazy
www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/4GB-Sapphire-Radeon-R9-FURY-Nitro-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Full-Retail-_1115516.html
Biggest problem is prices. I got my R9 290 for $400 CAD and now to upgrade 2 year later I have to spend double that. It does not make any sense.
just 1 year later 4k gaming is real #GTX1080
Not really.
Not really.
maybe in 2018
Not everyone can afford a sick basement-dweller 'PC Master Race' rig, buddy.
5 months later, 4K Ultra 60fps is still not real. Maybe with the Titan Xp(not to be confused with the earlier Titan X Pascal commonly known as the Titan XP), it could be achieved.
But the 300 series was supposed to be a refresh of the 200 series, not a next generation of cards, that was the Fury series.
Please take the inflation into account.
In all fairness the Fury X had HBM and heaps of stream processors so they had an excuse to charge more but it was overpriced at release but now it's at a pretty fair price and it has liquid cooling, it's basically half the price it was when it was released but it did have new memory advances (HBM1) and it's liquid cooled so it stays under 55 degrees, the Fury X that is.
Jesus man !!! I really had thought they was done doing this silly crap along time ago. Nothing had change !
Actually, Phillip made a lot of mistakes in this video.
+Alexander “Charcharo” Yordanov had you read his description box?
AwesomeBlackDude
I did. Still mistakes in the video. Could be done better.
Does not excuse that it could have been done better. Refresh =/= rebrand. And the 390 and 380 are refreshes. They are also beating the GTX 960 and GTX 970.
Still rocking a 7850 and its just now started to show its age a bit. It's a monster overclocker and with a hefty overclock i was able to play bf1 on mostly highs and around 60 fps
Nvidia is much more expensive than AMD, also their cards are somewhat better, at least in my opinion. Nvidia is better for high end pc's, but AMD has much better price range for low/medium end pc's.
TheVoitokas not always as the r9 390 is slightly faster than the 970 with 8GB of ram also and they are priced similarly
john li True that. But generally, maybe..?
TheVoitokas well generally for the price amd is a better value while nvidia delivers lower power consumption and heat output for a slight premium and also overclocks better
TheVoitokas I have a 980 and wish I'd got a 290x instead. Nvidia's Linux drivers are awful
john li Well you obviously know better than me. But that is what I somewhat meant.
Funfact: The 7870 Performs Like a RX 460 and the 7970 Performs Like a 1050 Ti and R9 290x Like a R9 390x Like a RX 480...
hahahahaha while im sitting here with my GT630
Horsman4James Hahah while I am sitting here with... i dont know what
I'm still using the GTS450...
Antonio Ceballos GT440
Horsman4James intel HD 2000...
I like this kind of train, everyone, post your (please outdated ;) ) graphics cards here
Great video, it's good to know that. I personally bought a GTX770 with 4 GB of Ram in a Sale for 150Euro...1 year ago :D
I have an Nvidia Geforce GT 440 is it good
HeldexLV Your joking right
firebluestudios LOL
HeldexLV I have 550ti xD
Nvidia is easy.
Generation is the first 1/2 numbers. The 2nd one is performance. And then the final number is a remake of it. I think. IDK
bestiebest lol easy? the gtx 970 is very confusing actually because its supposed to be a 4g card but it really is a 3.5g card
bestiebest actually nvidia is confusing one example is the gtx 970 which should be a 4g card but really is a 3.5g card
R9 390 > Gtx 970
yes
1060 > every single thing made my amd except for vega
Altually Every Companies still stands because they make profits. Why arguing with PcMasterBrotherhood
Nvidia>AMD for more power. ALWAYS!
VimGamer meh... i bought a r9 290. it was cheaper than a 780 and after a few driver updates it got faster than an 780ti. the r9 290 now competes with the 770
PanzerFaustFurious ? the 780 is faster than a 770 and the r9 290 is like in between the 770 and 780
***** oh the r9 290 definitely does not compete with the 970 it is once again between the 960 and 970 though closer to the 970 but the r9 390 that has a 290 core is faster than the 970 for some reason idk what gpu god amd prayed to
PanzerFaustFurious i have superclocked 970 tried benchmarking beats the r9 290 and r9 290x in every game i tried
Burger yea the titan z was a shit card 60% more performance than a titan for 200% more cost
When I buy a new gaming computer I start with the GPU and build everything around that. When I select the GPU I look at the entire market and release schedule for new models that might influence prices.
What they're called doesn't matter to me, as long as they perform the best at the price I'm willing to give, that way you can never go wrong.
deja vu again with the RX5 series, just overclocked old cards
Yea, they cannot afford to create a new architecture every year anymore like they did until 2012.
im not trying to put a spanner in the works here but i believe that their is a difference between a re-brand and a refresh
"To even come close to 4k gaming you need multiple expensive cards"
rtx 4090 in 2022
keep these videos coming man!!!
exactly the video that i was hoping to find. Fuck nvidia - i bought their 950 card - in hopes of a better upgrade - all i gained was a WORSE 3dmark score than my fucking 560 ti so i threw the case back in the face of the pc store owner and said hit me up with a 980 ti and a new motherboard and cpu. I ended up needing to pay 1500 dollars for a fucking upgrade instead of just getting a new gfx card
Phillip. TH-cam captions picked up everything you just said. Amazing. True English genius!
2:18 ha. Haha. Hahahahahahahaha. You mean 2000?
390X = 290X ? LOL ??? What a misleading info....
Humor me how is the 390X > RX 480 ?? While the RX 480 is actually a 290X / GTX 970.
In some games the 390X is capable to compete with the GTX 980....
Leap in technology. Meanwhile the .1 difference in average framerates between equivalent 2xx series and 3xx series pretty much prove there was no technology leap.
And people deny that the 300 series isn't a rebrand. Jesus.
They do this sort of crap on team green and team red all the time, they do this with all sorts of tech...
I've been happily using a Radeon HD 7770 since 2011, still runs most games at max settings.
I got a sapphire 270x for 100$ so I can't complain :)
wtf how did I find this 7 minutes after it was uploaded?
Lol, the r9 280> r9 285 but the r9 285 has more features like true audio
Very informative, thanks. Not heard anything about new cards after I bought my really nice one 3 years ago. Guess ill stick to my 7970
the 285 is not a 7970 or a 7950 the R9 280X and the R9 280 were though
2kliksphilip the 280 is a 7950 it uses GCN 1.0 the R9 290/X are GCN 1.1 and the R9 285 the fury/X/2/nano are all GCN 1.2
you cannot just "upgrade" the 7950 to give it GCN 1.2 features that requires an entirely new chip (and that is what the 285 is/was) the only thing they have in common is the same number of stream processors/compute units (while using much less power tacking on these GCN 1.2 features as you put it would not do that and would in fact cause power to go up if putting these features in was in fact possible)
in 2022, AMD released the 7000 series of graphics cards
Sorry, but the 20 nm processing didn't work. The performance improvement in the 900 series vs 700 series and in the R300 vs R200 is too low. We will have to wait the 14/16 nm processing.
Kliksphilip: talks about
AMD 7:23: Mark Papermaster
Yeah this generation is kinda dry, Im waiting for the 8GB HBMs and how well they preform on 4k.
That aside, CPU progress is even worse :/