TP5X just really seems to work for me. My question is - I thought Callaway spent however many millions in retooling the Chicopee factory and had eliminated their QC issues - apparently thats not the case? Because that ball was AWFUL
Played TP5 Pix for the last two seasons and transitioning to the ProV1x Left Dash. Longer off the tee and more penetrating with irons, still spins around the green although a little firmer off the putter.
@@maxfnmloans yeah i agree - i heard even from this very site that they had spent money on fixing a problem MGS found, and according to what we'd all heard months ago it had been fixed. Did they REALLY find a recent ball that was that bad, or are they just being jerks to Callaway? I'm not a Callaway ball fan myself, but something doesn't smell right
Only played top flite yrs ago and shot many rounds in the upper 70's and low 80's. Now at 68 yrs old and much slower swing, switched to low compression Bridgestone and now shooting low to mid 80's. Very pleased.
I switched to srixon Q star tour about a year ago, good distance off the tee , really good around the greens plus I like the softer feel as Ive gotten older
Spent the better part of the year trying out different balls. The Maxfli Tour has won me over. It won out against the Taylormade TP5, Vice Pro Soft, Callaway Chrome soft, Snell and others that I tried out throughout the year. This really is an affordable ball that matches up really well. I think it's in the top ten of the ball lab results.
The test i'd like to see is Titleist top of the line stuff (pro v's) vs OTHER Titleist balls (such as Truefeel or Velocity). I'd like to see what your tests show on that (i've done my own personal tests, and at my 100 mph swing speed, the ProV is longer with the driver, but the Trufeel is longer with the irons). I know greenside spin is big-time important for elite amateurs and pros, but i think the weekend warrior doesn't miss anything with massive short game spin. Just my two cents.
Great to see straight honest reviews from a robot. I am one who at nearly 67 years old tryout so many different brands of golf balls during the season. I had never tried the VICE ProPlus until a friend sad here try this one. This ball played longer than my favorite MaxFli Soft or the Tite AVX. My swing is much slower than it use to be. I find playing softer balls to work much better than firmer ones tee to green.
I'm an 8 index and have been playing the Maxfli Tour for months and they're terrific. 4 dozen for $104 at Dicks is a bargain for these. Also really like the Snell MTB Black and Vice Pros.
@@pitman18458 At that speed you could use either, though I think a lot of the testing shows you'll get a little more distance out of the harder ball if you don't mind the feel. That's kinda the trade off.
I use the Callaway ERC triple track in green. Works great with my triple track putter. I think the key is consistency. Swapping balls all the time really hurts your consistency. All premium balls are pretty good, but if you are standing over a shot at 150 yards, you need to know which club to pull. If it flies 160, you just made bogey. Pick a good quality ball and know how it performs with your equipment over time. Boring I know, but so are pars.
If you're a Senior, the best gauge to use from these tests that I've found...how they react off the 7 Iron numbers. That's a club least affected by all of these other variables and one that more of us use than some of the others. I'm 73, hitting a Srixon Q Tour 125-140 that's carry to roll out.
The delta on a slower swing speed is a lot less than a higher swing speed. Play any 3 piece ball and results will be close. I pick a ball based on how it reacts when I’m putting. I’m playing Vice Pro Soft right now. If Pro V’s have a sale like they used to, I’d probably play them.
@@leospaceman2976 I like the ball. Not seeing a huge difference honestly, other than I'm hitting fewer knuckle balls with the Z. QTour would fly on me every now and then.
76 yrs old, I use OPs - other people’s. Shoot in high 70’s to low 80’s - find that it does not really matter what ball type I’m using, it’s about shot making. But the video is indeed interesting. P.S. I happen to like the Calloway for iron control.
The one thing that bothers me the most is the constant reformulation the companies do every year so I find myself having to retest every year when the new iterations come out. First I loved the AVX then they changed it, then I loved the Tour B X and then they changed, then I loved the ProV1 then they changed it. So this season I’m with the new TP5X (which I had previously tested and didn’t love) but the new model is perfect for me this year…until they change it…
They are reformulating to TRY to make the ball better. They are not trying to make the ball worse. The fact that you don’t like any ball after it’s been tweaked suggests it’s you, not the ball. Just my suspicion.
@@douglashart1985 yes but in their attempts to make it better something always changes. My results are based on trackman numbers and real play out on the course. If I were a hack like you then I would probably be oblivious to the changes in performance. I kind of envy that..:not really lol.
They don't actually change anything substantial in the ball. Same with the driver that's new is so much longer than the outgoing model, yet I defy you to hit a Stealth further than the RBZ. It's all marketing.
Playing the Inesis tour 900. Might be shorter off the tee (not perceptible on the course for me... my drives with it end up at about the same places as when I play a pro V1x despite my 110-ish speed) but gives me great control (spin) off the irons and around the green for a fraction of the price. At my crappy 8 hcp the scoring difference is not showing statistically, my bank account, on the other hand, says thanks. Plus, weirdly enough, it was one of the top performers in the MyGolfSpy tests of before.. Weird, isn't it?
LOLOLOL...I played Callaway Chrome Soft for the first time last week because I didn't realize I was out of ProV1s...no lie I felt like I was hitting a trick ball at times. Although around the greens it was pretty nice. Off the tee and long fairway shots were definitely inconsistent. Then I watch this and you hit me with an off center core..hmmmm. Now obviously not all the balls have an off center core but I bet I could pick the ones that I hit that did have one. Thanks for the research guys.
For my experience being a G.B.B.D and having test and try many golf balls on the market over the years witch interest me and my addiction I'm always coming back to the Srixon Z-Star XV witch is great for Price to performance.
It's the 2019 Chrome Soft. It's the same as the picture they tweeted a couple years ago. Plus it is not the sleeve packaging of the current ball. A shame they felt the need for the clickbait on an otherwise very interesting video. Also, the layer thickness doesn't match the current ball.
@@ahastar1141 Wouldn't it be more honest of MGS to call it the 2019 Chrome Soft? Both your statement and that statement would be true and less confusing to the public.
Cut are the worst golf balls I have played in my life. I bought 6 dozen of both the blue and grey and I can’t even give them away. The distance loss is incredible and they’re both super clicky. Stay away
I'm a 21 HDCP and currently play AVX, but thinking of switching to the left dash or just the X. However, I do like the AVX in colder weather over the left dash. The left dash feels like you're hitting a damn rock when it dips below 50.
Been playing golf for over 70 years. My inital reaction is you generally get what you pay for. Virtually every golf ball 'recognizable name' manufacturer has a broad lineup from inexpensive to expensive - to meet the needs of high handicap golfers down to scratch and tour players. And ALL balls have to mee the strict requirements of the USGA and the R&A.
I'm as isolated as it gets in getting golf gear so I go by these TH-cam videos and hope for the best lol last year I bought a bunch of srixon ad333 while they were on sale. They worked for me pretty good. This year I'm trying vice pro. Scary stock up on something I've never tried but with shipping costs to my area there really isn't another way of going about it for me. I hope it works out this year for me! Great channel
I have been playing Callway Chrome Soft triple track. Not found any problems with them, got enough spin on the short game, and I hit it fairly straight anyway. Bit worried by the reveal at the end, though! Hope that was just a one-off! (Woman, 9.4 hcp, short hitter - 90yds with 9 iron)
Used to play the AVX. Recently switched to Maxfli Tour. I save about $18 a dozen. I honestly like the Maxfli better. A little longer for me. Love the side stamp.
The reveal at the end perfectly matches up with my experience with Callaway balls. I bout some ERC balls and for the life of me couldn't understand what they hell they were doing. Lost damn near all of them on one course. I was using Titlelist velocity at the time and had better performance with those than the Callaways.
If you got them anytime recently this wouldn’t be a problem. ERC however are a much softer, and higher spinning ball than velocities… ERC would be significantly better performing around greens, whereas if you’re a spinny driver, you would be better off with a low spin ball
I am a 10HCP and play the Srixon Ad333 or Z-Star - love the feel of both balls! Bridgestone Tour BXS is also one of my favorites =) I just can't warm up with the Titleist Pro V1 - i don't know why...
2.5 mph and 150 rpm spin alone doesn’t equal 30 yard difference. What’s not being shown is launch. I assume Titleist launched higher than Inexis? Optimizing launch conditions is ball speed, spin AND launch. Why leave out one of the 3 critical parameters?
These guys are anything but scientific, so i wouldnt be surprised if they didn’t account for a lot of variables. 4500 shots must have been done over multiple days. Did they account for wind and ground conditions? Hit the left dash on a tail wind day? Hit the others after it rained so they didn't roll as much? From the snell to left dash there's only 1mph of ball speed difference and the same spin rate, but 14 yards? Unlikely.
I play whatever golf balls my grandsons find out on the course. I prefer Callaway-I believe much of this deal is heavily influenced by the psychological component of playing this game. At 69 years of age I generally play just under bogey golf-walk 18 3-4 times per week. My scoring is simple-I only keep track of my birdies, pars and double bogies. It is all about enjoyment and exercise and buddies, my wife and I have a great time playing. Play mostly from the seniors' tees...scoring mostly around 85-as low as 78.
The left dash always seems to be at the top of the list. It is a great golf ball. Is there a reason we don't see more players on the major tours PGA, LPGA etc using it?
I play the Maxfli Tour 2019 edition. Almost out of them and based on your look at the quality of the 2021 edition, I will keep playing the Maxfli and buy them on sale.
Big fan of the Maxfli tour and prefer the 2019 to the 2021 version a good bit. So much so that I bought out the inventory of yellows over the winter (I hate yellow golf balls). The ‘19 just feels better and flies a little farther for me, can’t explain why but there is a difference
I play in senior leagues. It always amazes me to see them always come up short on their approaches, pitches, and chips. They play tour balls. I play 2 piece balls. Whenever they chip, the ball stops on the front of the green. I tell them to try a 2-piece, but they think they have to play the "best" ball.
Out of all the brands I’ve tried, callaway have performed the worst for me. I just don’t get along with them for some reason. I’ve really liked the vice pro plus, srixon z star and z star vx, pro v1, top flite gamer (very surprised), and Bridgestone tour B xs. My driver swing speed is between 105-110 mph depending on how warmed up I am. I just picked up some maxfli tour balls to try on my next round of golf.
Hmmm - so for the most common amateur swing speed, the Titleist was only ten yards longer than the Inesis? Not sure that’s a convincing argument to buy the Titleist when you consider the price difference and the rate at which we lose the balls? Any data on performance with less than perfect strikes? We aren’t robots
Thanks for the test. I do struggle to believe there's 30 yds distance. 90ft in real live playing. . BUT, for the 90mph and lower, even with robot consistency, which none of us have, your talking 10 yds. Add to that the inconsistency of a human swinging a driver and shaft inconsistency etc. There's not much difference to me and that's what I see played out on the golf course playing three times a week as a fairly consistent retired golfer hitting balls with Pro v1's, AD333's, Inesis 900's. Any drive slightly off the centre of the face, is going make more difference to your length then a pack of 55euros golf balls. I suppose if we were all robots, it it might be worth the extra money, but we're not.
I'm curious to know if the Callaway was the 2022 model 'Precision Technology' that was supposed to address that exact point. I just bought 2 dozen Chrome Soft-X (which are now the same price as Pro-V1s) and will not continue buying if they have not fixed that problem.
It was not a 2022 Chrome Soft Golf Ball. As mentioned and reviewed and shared with MGS team - with Precision Technology and the improvements made to our World Class facility in Chicopee, MA we are very confident in the quality and performance of the balls we are producing in the Chrome Soft family. This is a prior generation ball that has been shown previously. - Jason Finley - Global Director, Golf Ball, Callaway Golf
Shock value probably. Of course the real shock would be if callaway still made balls like this. This was definitely the news bomb a couple of years back tho.
It would be interesting to know what vintage Callaway ball is in this video? I have been playing the chrome soft triple track for the past few years and have had great performance.
Launch angle/ball flight was probably better with the left dash. I believe the full data from the ball test lists that information and could tell the full story.
@@wesgarden74 The only way you're gonna get a 30 yard difference with just 2mph and 100rpm is if the launch angle on the lesser ball was around 8/9 and the titleist was 12/13. And no ball will react like that with the same delivery. And launch angle was left out. Sorry I'm just calling BS on the data, it's off.
Callaway again? I typically play the Srixon XV but picked up the Callaway Chromsoft X LS. I like the numbers from the LS and haven't seen any irregular flight patterns from using it. How recent of a CS was that ball? I'm hoping the QC is better on the LS than the CS.
I notice a much bigger difference with distance at around 127mph clubhead speed average (swing can vary between 122-135mph on course). The left dash for me is more penetrating and almost always seems to run out further with driver (harder ball), but when using an iron / wedge I get almost dead stop around the green (angle of descent), pretty much perfect for my playstyle - but if there's a lot of wind I have to change my game drastically. My partner who gets her swing close to 100mph gets much better results with a slightly softer ball like a Z-star / Prov1 / Snell.
The best golf ball is the Bridgestone Tour B RX (for me) or Tour B X. The reason is simple - they go very very straight with driver and all the long woods. When you mishit the ball, it only curves a little with the long clubs - straightest ball I have ever used - and I have used them all - ProV, TP5, Chrome, and all the urethane lower balls (Tour Response, Tout Speed, etc). Tour B RX is a tour level ball with the same consistency and has a quality urethane cover (not crap like some), so you can generate spin to stop it on the greens with short irons. Pros have the skill set to use such a ball with their long woods - but most amateurs hit massive slices and hooks with such a ball (now and then) - they would be better off with a ball that goes straighter. The Bridgestone Tour B RX is the best of both worlds - straight with the woods, but spins and stops with short irons. Putts great too - as good as all Pro level balls except the ProV (that putts awesome). LPGA players use the Tour B for a reason - 90-105 mph swing speeds is normal (I am 96).
That’s crazy the distance was that different and the ball speeds/ spin numbers weren’t that far from each other. What’s the reason for that, markedly different launch angle or something else?
Try the 50 cent inesis ball ! It performs better than the many overpriced ball . Its all about knowing your game ! Sometimes cheap aint bad its perspective . Its like driving a lambo which cant fit a golf kit and driving a suv/car which can fit a kit .
OUCH!!!! Callaway off center core will fly where you will wish it didn't. That's a fact. Did they fix the issue? Callaway said they did. Personally I like Titleist and anything made by Acushnet. Quality all the way in all their products. Never discounted because their standards are the top.
They did, they used the previous version of the ball when they showed the cut ball. You can tell because the sleeve is missing the precision technology branding. If you watch the intro again, you will see the logo on the Chrome Soft the narrator turns down because it's 50 bucks. So they could have used the current version, but decided not to.
@@MaartenAnna yes, Golf Spy’s testing of golf balls in 2021 showed that the Kirkland is the spiniest. However, I need more spin in my game and I am a low spin of the driver and irons, I really don’t notice much drop off in distance with my driver, maybe 5 yards or so. I can honestly say, I believe in ball fitting. It is the one piece of equipment used in every shot. I have hit other other big name balls and did not get on with them. Plus I am a senior, my driver swing speed is around 95 to 100, I would not recommend the Kirkland for higher swing speeds.
@@brandonmcfarlane7121 Thanks for clarifying, I love the Callaway Chrome soft. Longest off the tee, great around the greens. I like the feel on the putter. This guy must work for Titleist.
@@Philzzz1 You can tell by the branding on the box. Even using this video, if you watch the beginning when the narrator at the store looks at the Callaways and says whoa 50$ bucks... those are the new balls. the precision technology logo. That logo is also on the sleeves and at the end for the "big reveal" you can see the Callaway sleeve does not have that logo on it.
Kudos to MGS for doing this for years now). But the fact is you still have to dig deeper than what was shown here or in their Ball Lab articles. There should be a chart that says which ball is best suited based on swing speed. I recall that the Titleist Left Dash is for guys that crush the ball and most players driver swing speed is below 95mph. The best thing about MGS efforts is the manufacturers know they;re being watched, which explains why Callaway fixed their production issue (last year I recall). You can have the best prototype in the world but it's what comes off the assembly line that counts.
Just started playing the left dash this week. I gotta keep playing it but not checking up on the green as much as Z star. Could be our greens are firm right now
Hmm. this week i managed around 5 300yrd drives. Here's the kicker. Some were with Titleist prov1 x and the others....Wilson Duo soft........ I've seen a few vids like this now, all with different results. how can that be? Human error or inconsistent Golf Balls. My own numbers don't lie. I'll keep using cheap balls.
Thanks, nice to know there's a replacement for those D2+ Feel. I liked those. I have switched to mint used balls for now though, since I usually lose a new one the first time I hit it (at the very least hit a cart path!). Will have to try these Hammers and the Maxfli Tour people have commented about.
2 questions… 1 - Curious as to what compression the 3 balls used in the test were measured at and what role a higher or lower compression ball played relative to swing speed and overall distance? 2 - Does the act of cutting a ball and breaking the force the solid outer layers of a ball have on the core once cut impact the shape of the core? In the video when the balls are cut, you can see some flex. Just wondering if this is accounted for in some way or the assumption is that a cut ball should retain shape like a full ball after impact? Enjoy all the research and results. Thanks for doing what you do.
If cutting the ball somehow caused off-centering of the core, one would expect all the balls to suffer from the same trauma. This is definitely not the first time anybody has found that Callaway balls have more than their share of off-center cores and more unpredictable flight.
Is that a current 2022 Chrome Soft? I'd heard that they fixed the problem. Never played a Callaway ball and your test a few years back helped solidify that decision. My wife started playing the Chrome Soft this year and loves it. Been tempted to play a round with them and see what they are about since they are around.
Currently playing the Titleist Pro V1, but have played the Snell MTB Black in the past. I prefer the softer feel vs the Pro V1X, or the other "X" versions. However, I may get a dozen of the left dash Pro V1X to try, as I would like more distance off the tee.
Great, l play golf since 1976, if l believe on adds l should hit my wedge 220 meters, evry year ,+ 35 yards with the new xxx driver 5 yards more with the xxx spezial tee...... and so on..
Thanks for the work and info. Well presented too, y'all are funny as hell sometimes. Is there a comprehensive list anywhere (as much possible, with a million ball brands/and variations), that has this type of performance vs price comparisons, or do you guys have one downloadable or maybe printable? Good stuff.
Distance is directly linked to spin rate. Logically cheap balls with high spin rate fly shorter. Anyway do many tour players use the Inesis "Tour" 900?
74 yo, I play about any ball I FIND that others have lost, I am a 5 hdcp, its about course management/shot selection not ball,,, however I will give credit to a ball that holds a green. Cost vs compression etc is not really much of a factor when your swing speed/ flexibility etc deteriorates with age, play smart and your scores will reflect this, not the name on your ball…
How does 2.4 MPH ball speed difference and 170ish extra spin translate to being 30 yds shorter? I am going to guess it has something to do with launch angle? Or do some balls just have different aerodynamics (dimple patterns for example)?
Hello there I have used many different balls in my golfing lifetime going back to the Balata ones. Tright now i am using the 2022 On-Core Elixer and have found it gives me length and in general accuracy. The spin seems fair but however i don't hit the balls as hard as I once did. Do like your messages though and have shared them with some of my golfing buddies!!
Wish Maxfli would bring back the old HT90 wound and balata cover. It was not as long as some, but could carve left or right with great control. Felt great, around the green, and possibly the best off the putter.
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Either the Volvik Crystal or Callaway Supersoft. They both fly far for my age/swing speed. 74 yrs old/88 mph
TP5X just really seems to work for me. My question is - I thought Callaway spent however many millions in retooling the Chicopee factory and had eliminated their QC issues - apparently thats not the case? Because that ball was AWFUL
Callaway Warbird for casual game. Prov 1 for more serious money game!
Played TP5 Pix for the last two seasons and transitioning to the ProV1x Left Dash. Longer off the tee and more penetrating with irons, still spins around the green although a little firmer off the putter.
@@maxfnmloans yeah i agree - i heard even from this very site that they had spent money on fixing a problem MGS found, and according to what we'd all heard months ago it had been fixed. Did they REALLY find a recent ball that was that bad, or are they just being jerks to Callaway? I'm not a Callaway ball fan myself, but something doesn't smell right
Only played top flite yrs ago and shot many rounds in the upper 70's and low 80's. Now at 68 yrs old and much slower swing, switched to low compression Bridgestone and now shooting low to mid 80's. Very pleased.
I switched to srixon Q star tour about a year ago, good distance off the tee , really good around the greens plus I like the softer feel as Ive gotten older
Spent the better part of the year trying out different balls. The Maxfli Tour has won me over. It won out against the Taylormade TP5, Vice Pro Soft, Callaway Chrome soft, Snell and others that I tried out throughout the year. This really is an affordable ball that matches up really well. I think it's in the top ten of the ball lab results.
It’s the best ball for the money
I think MGS put that at #1
The test i'd like to see is Titleist top of the line stuff (pro v's) vs OTHER Titleist balls (such as Truefeel or Velocity). I'd like to see what your tests show on that (i've done my own personal tests, and at my 100 mph swing speed, the ProV is longer with the driver, but the Trufeel is longer with the irons).
I know greenside spin is big-time important for elite amateurs and pros, but i think the weekend warrior doesn't miss anything with massive short game spin. Just my two cents.
They’ve done that test, search Titleist ball comparison and you should find it- tour soft and avx scored pretty high
Great to see straight honest reviews from a robot. I am one who at nearly 67 years old tryout so many different brands of golf balls during the season. I had never tried the VICE ProPlus until a friend sad here try this one. This ball played longer than my favorite MaxFli Soft or the Tite AVX. My swing is much slower than it use to be. I find playing softer balls to work much better than firmer ones tee to green.
I bought the pro soft and like it
I have switched to the vice pro and love it. Much cheaper than the titelist and performs great for me
pro plus second hand for me, absolutely on par with prov1x
I'm an 8 index and have been playing the Maxfli Tour for months and they're terrific. 4 dozen for $104 at Dicks is a bargain for these. Also really like the Snell MTB Black and Vice Pros.
Me too..I am a 5.5 and absolutely love the Maxfli Tour..Very good distance and spin..And you can't beat the price..
same here. It's a great ball i hope they don't raise the price.
I play the tour X and it is great too! If you fit into the 4 piece ball.
@@Olorin323 I will give it a try..My SS is 101 and my average drive around 260-265..Thanks for the info..
@@pitman18458 At that speed you could use either, though I think a lot of the testing shows you'll get a little more distance out of the harder ball if you don't mind the feel. That's kinda the trade off.
Love my Maxfli Tour CG X for distance and great feel. Love my Kirkland Performance + for spin and stopping power on the greens
Testing the ProV1 vs the Kirkland signature V2 using the robot would be a great video
As always spot on boys..... -Dash has been in the bag since it came out. Nothing comes close.
Taylormade Tour Response love the ball been playing it for the past year.
You need to clarify which model year that Callaway was taken from, was it actually before or after they spent money fixing their factories?
New callaway balls now have “precision technology” where off center cores are removed from batches. This must be an older batch.
Taylormade TP5 PIX. My favorite golf ball it does everything you wanted to do.
I use the Callaway ERC triple track in green. Works great with my triple track putter. I think the key is consistency. Swapping balls all the time really hurts your consistency. All premium balls are pretty good, but if you are standing over a shot at 150 yards, you need to know which club to pull. If it flies 160, you just made bogey. Pick a good quality ball and know how it performs with your equipment over time. Boring I know, but so are pars.
No the key is can you hit a golf ball correctly. Any ball
With so many Sr. Golfers 60+ years old it would be very useful to see tests for golf balls and clubs at 80mph driver swing speed.
If you're a Senior, the best gauge to use from these tests that I've found...how they react off the 7 Iron numbers. That's a club least affected by all of these other variables and one that more of us use than some of the others. I'm 73, hitting a Srixon Q Tour 125-140 that's carry to roll out.
The delta on a slower swing speed is a lot less than a higher swing speed. Play any 3 piece ball and results will be close. I pick a ball based on how it reacts when I’m putting. I’m playing Vice Pro Soft right now. If Pro V’s have a sale like they used to, I’d probably play them.
Have played the Srixon Q-Star Tour for the last few years. Recently switched to Z-Star for a little more spin around the greens.
Z Star is amazing! my favorite ball of all time =)
How do you like the change? Do you like (or no pref) on z star being a firmer ball?
@@leospaceman2976 I like the ball. Not seeing a huge difference honestly, other than I'm hitting fewer knuckle balls with the Z. QTour would fly on me every now and then.
Is that the same off-center Chrome Soft that started this whole thing, or is it a newly found one? I think that needs to be clarified.
Old ball. Check out Daniel Mantey's comment above.
76 yrs old, I use OPs - other people’s. Shoot in high 70’s to low 80’s - find that it does not really matter what ball type I’m using, it’s about shot making. But the video is indeed interesting. P.S. I happen to like the Calloway for iron control.
Currently, Vice Pro Plus and they perform very well. Just wondering how much (if any) benefit I'd get from the left dash...
The one thing that bothers me the most is the constant reformulation the companies do every year so I find myself having to retest every year when the new iterations come out. First I loved the AVX then they changed it, then I loved the Tour B X and then they changed, then I loved the ProV1 then they changed it. So this season I’m with the new TP5X (which I had previously tested and didn’t love) but the new model is perfect for me this year…until they change it…
They are reformulating to TRY to make the ball better. They are not trying to make the ball worse. The fact that you don’t like any ball after it’s been tweaked suggests it’s you, not the ball. Just my suspicion.
@@douglashart1985 yes but in their attempts to make it better something always changes. My results are based on trackman numbers and real play out on the course. If I were a hack like you then I would probably be oblivious to the changes in performance. I kind of envy that..:not really lol.
They don't actually change anything substantial in the ball. Same with the driver that's new is so much longer than the outgoing model, yet I defy you to hit a Stealth further than the RBZ. It's all marketing.
I would love to see an evaluation of the Seed golf balls! I am testing them now and have been impressed.
(Slow swing speed 88 Dr.)
I have a feeling they come out of the same OEM factory as the Snell…..could be wrong. They have been my go to for about 3 years now.
Vice Pro Plus / Snell MTB - just can't beat 'em.
Playing the Inesis tour 900. Might be shorter off the tee (not perceptible on the course for me... my drives with it end up at about the same places as when I play a pro V1x despite my 110-ish speed) but gives me great control (spin) off the irons and around the green for a fraction of the price. At my crappy 8 hcp the scoring difference is not showing statistically, my bank account, on the other hand, says thanks. Plus, weirdly enough, it was one of the top performers in the MyGolfSpy tests of before.. Weird, isn't it?
Crappy 8 hcp ????? Surely this must be a tongue in cheek comment exposed by a sh&^y 20 hcp player :-)
Maxfli Tour is what I play. Been playing it for 2 seasons now and it is a great ball.
I like to avoid any irregular balls so I keep it simple with the 3 piece ProV1
LOLOLOL...I played Callaway Chrome Soft for the first time last week because I didn't realize I was out of ProV1s...no lie I felt like I was hitting a trick ball at times. Although around the greens it was pretty nice. Off the tee and long fairway shots were definitely inconsistent. Then I watch this and you hit me with an off center core..hmmmm. Now obviously not all the balls have an off center core but I bet I could pick the ones that I hit that did have one. Thanks for the research guys.
For my experience being a G.B.B.D and having test and try many golf balls on the market over the years witch interest me and my addiction I'm always coming back to the Srixon Z-Star XV witch is great for Price to performance.
It's the 2019 Chrome Soft. It's the same as the picture they tweeted a couple years ago. Plus it is not the sleeve packaging of the current ball. A shame they felt the need for the clickbait on an otherwise very interesting video.
Also, the layer thickness doesn't match the current ball.
It’s an older ball, but wouldn’t it still be a fair example of a higher end ball having issues
@@ahastar1141 Wouldn't it be more honest of MGS to call it the 2019 Chrome Soft? Both your statement and that statement would be true and less confusing to the public.
You’re the only guys that can be trusted. Have you test the Cut Blue ball?
Cut are the worst golf balls I have played in my life. I bought 6 dozen of both the blue and grey and I can’t even give them away. The distance loss is incredible and they’re both super clicky. Stay away
I use vice pro plus and find it fits my game as I would like. soft feel on the greens and more so for putting. And I get good lenght with the driver.
I'm a 21 HDCP and currently play AVX, but thinking of switching to the left dash or just the X. However, I do like the AVX in colder weather over the left dash. The left dash feels like you're hitting a damn rock when it dips below 50.
As a 21 handicap you could be playing way cheaper balls. I’d reckon you lost roughly $12-$20 worth of balls on average each round
Been playing golf for over 70 years. My inital reaction is you generally get what you pay for. Virtually every golf ball 'recognizable name' manufacturer has a broad lineup from inexpensive to expensive - to meet the needs of high handicap golfers down to scratch and tour players. And ALL balls have to mee the strict requirements of the USGA and the R&A.
now playing Oncore Elixr after switching to Snell MTB from ProV1s. Elixr gets another 5-6 yards for my mid to high 80 ss.
Vice Pro Drips are awesome. Look amazing, but also perform.
The Titleist Velocity is amazing. Been using it for the last two years.
I'm as isolated as it gets in getting golf gear so I go by these TH-cam videos and hope for the best lol last year I bought a bunch of srixon ad333 while they were on sale. They worked for me pretty good. This year I'm trying vice pro. Scary stock up on something I've never tried but with shipping costs to my area there really isn't another way of going about it for me. I hope it works out this year for me! Great channel
ADAM, this is your best video mate.
really enjoyed this, solid work,
I have been playing Callway Chrome Soft triple track. Not found any problems with them, got enough spin on the short game, and I hit it fairly straight anyway. Bit worried by the reveal at the end, though! Hope that was just a one-off! (Woman, 9.4 hcp, short hitter - 90yds with 9 iron)
I’m playing Snell mtb black and Titleist tour speed. Since I don’t lose golf balls very often, I’m going to pro v1.
I am 60, current hcp 8,3 and the vice pro is this years gamer. Pretty good in the last few months.
Used to play the AVX. Recently switched to Maxfli Tour. I save about $18 a dozen. I honestly like the Maxfli better. A little longer for me. Love the side stamp.
Mayfli Tour’s are outstanding and even a much better value than the “value brands”.
The reveal at the end perfectly matches up with my experience with Callaway balls. I bout some ERC balls and for the life of me couldn't understand what they hell they were doing. Lost damn near all of them on one course. I was using Titlelist velocity at the time and had better performance with those than the Callaways.
If you got them anytime recently this wouldn’t be a problem.
ERC however are a much softer, and higher spinning ball than velocities… ERC would be significantly better performing around greens, whereas if you’re a spinny driver, you would be better off with a low spin ball
I am a 10HCP and play the Srixon Ad333 or Z-Star - love the feel of both balls! Bridgestone Tour BXS is also one of my favorites =) I just can't warm up with the Titleist Pro V1 - i don't know why...
2.5 mph and 150 rpm spin
alone doesn’t equal 30 yard difference. What’s not being shown is launch. I assume Titleist launched higher than Inexis? Optimizing launch conditions is ball speed, spin AND launch. Why leave out one of the 3 critical parameters?
These guys are anything but scientific, so i wouldnt be surprised if they didn’t account for a lot of variables. 4500 shots must have been done over multiple days. Did they account for wind and ground conditions? Hit the left dash on a tail wind day? Hit the others after it rained so they didn't roll as much? From the snell to left dash there's only 1mph of ball speed difference and the same spin rate, but 14 yards? Unlikely.
I play whatever golf balls my grandsons find out on the course. I prefer Callaway-I believe much of this deal is heavily influenced by the psychological component of playing this game. At 69 years of age I generally play just under bogey golf-walk 18 3-4 times per week. My scoring is simple-I only keep track of my birdies, pars and double bogies. It is all about enjoyment and exercise and buddies, my wife and I have a great time playing. Play mostly from the seniors' tees...scoring mostly around 85-as low as 78.
Recently switched to Maxfli straightfli, great ball at Dicks 19.99 a dozen. Kirkland and Cut Grey's are good to.
The left dash always seems to be at the top of the list. It is a great golf ball. Is there a reason we don't see more players on the major tours PGA, LPGA etc using it?
maybe because all majors were won with a pro v1 or pro v1x
as with everything on tour, the winners play with whatever is paying them the most money to play with
I play the Maxfli Tour 2019 edition. Almost out of them and based on your look at the quality of the 2021 edition, I will keep playing the Maxfli and buy them on sale.
Big fan of the Maxfli tour and prefer the 2019 to the 2021 version a good bit. So much so that I bought out the inventory of yellows over the winter (I hate yellow golf balls). The ‘19 just feels better and flies a little farther for me, can’t explain why but there is a difference
Maxfli Tour X for me all day. Switched 2 years ago and they’ve not disappointed since.
I agree the Maxfli Tour is a great ball. Not sure if it's good for my slow swing speed though.
I play in senior leagues. It always amazes me to see them always come up short on their approaches, pitches, and chips. They play tour balls. I play 2 piece balls. Whenever they chip, the ball stops on the front of the green. I tell them to try a 2-piece, but they think they have to play the "best" ball.
Out of all the brands I’ve tried, callaway have performed the worst for me. I just don’t get along with them for some reason. I’ve really liked the vice pro plus, srixon z star and z star vx, pro v1, top flite gamer (very surprised), and Bridgestone tour B xs. My driver swing speed is between 105-110 mph depending on how warmed up I am. I just picked up some maxfli tour balls to try on my next round of golf.
One month later Serenity... how do you like the Maxfli? I've been using Vice but I could easily be talked into something different. ⛳️
Watched the video, appreciated the data, happily playing my Kirkland, no regret whatsoever.
Hmmm - so for the most common amateur swing speed, the Titleist was only ten yards longer than the Inesis? Not sure that’s a convincing argument to buy the Titleist when you consider the price difference and the rate at which we lose the balls? Any data on performance with less than perfect strikes? We aren’t robots
Thanks for the test. I do struggle to believe there's 30 yds distance. 90ft in real live playing. . BUT, for the 90mph and lower, even with robot consistency, which none of us have, your talking 10 yds. Add to that the inconsistency of a human swinging a driver and shaft inconsistency etc. There's not much difference to me and that's what I see played out on the golf course playing three times a week as a fairly consistent retired golfer hitting balls with Pro v1's, AD333's, Inesis 900's. Any drive slightly off the centre of the face, is going make more difference to your length then a pack of 55euros golf balls. I suppose if we were all robots, it it might be worth the extra money, but we're not.
Titleist AVX AAAAA used. I tried the 2019 Maxfli Tour, but found the cover scuffed way too easy compared to the Titleists.
Me too, like the maxfli but the cover seems to have a cut after 9 holes.
I'm curious to know if the Callaway was the 2022 model 'Precision Technology' that was supposed to address that exact point. I just bought 2 dozen Chrome Soft-X (which are now the same price as Pro-V1s) and will not continue buying if they have not fixed that problem.
It was not a 2022 Chrome Soft Golf Ball. As mentioned and reviewed and shared with MGS team - with Precision Technology and the improvements made to our World Class facility in Chicopee, MA we are very confident in the quality and performance of the balls we are producing in the Chrome Soft family. This is a prior generation ball that has been shown previously. - Jason Finley - Global Director, Golf Ball, Callaway Golf
@@jasonfinley5181 Thank you Jason, good to hear.
@@jasonfinley5181 thanks Jason!!
@@jasonfinley5181 Why would MGS use old stock?
Shock value probably. Of course the real shock would be if callaway still made balls like this. This was definitely the news bomb a couple of years back tho.
Have you seen the let’s play through comparison salt water test? Very different results relating to off center balance.
like the new format
It would be interesting to know what vintage Callaway ball is in this video? I have been playing the chrome soft triple track for the past few years and have had great performance.
It’s probably previous to the new factory they built
I love the golf science vids.....please keep them coming. It's my new favorite videos on YT.
You've lost me with that data sorry. How is a ball with 2 mph more and 100 rpm less, 30 yards longer. Did the Titleist hit a cart path or something?
Launch angle/ball flight was probably better with the left dash. I believe the full data from the ball test lists that information and could tell the full story.
Good balls are still flying forward when they land. Bad balls fall out of the sky.
Indeed…..Left Dash; 1mph difference and effectively the same spin yet 13 yards longer than the Snell….Launch and land angle making a difference 🧐🤷♂️
@@wesgarden74 The only way you're gonna get a 30 yard difference with just 2mph and 100rpm is if the launch angle on the lesser ball was around 8/9 and the titleist was 12/13. And no ball will react like that with the same delivery. And launch angle was left out. Sorry I'm just calling BS on the data, it's off.
I play Vice Pro’s regularly, but just picked up a dozen left dash to test with.
Callaway again? I typically play the Srixon XV but picked up the Callaway Chromsoft X LS. I like the numbers from the LS and haven't seen any irregular flight patterns from using it. How recent of a CS was that ball? I'm hoping the QC is better on the LS than the CS.
Whoa!!!! dude. Thank you guys so much.
I notice a much bigger difference with distance at around 127mph clubhead speed average (swing can vary between 122-135mph on course). The left dash for me is more penetrating and almost always seems to run out further with driver (harder ball), but when using an iron / wedge I get almost dead stop around the green (angle of descent), pretty much perfect for my playstyle - but if there's a lot of wind I have to change my game drastically. My partner who gets her swing close to 100mph gets much better results with a slightly softer ball like a Z-star / Prov1 / Snell.
Pay 40 to 50% more to get less than 5% gain? 😬 For me the consistency of a ball and it’s responsiveness to shot shaping is probably most important.
The best golf ball is the Bridgestone Tour B RX (for me) or Tour B X. The reason is simple - they go very very straight with driver and all the long woods. When you mishit the ball, it only curves a little with the long clubs - straightest ball I have ever used - and I have used them all - ProV, TP5, Chrome, and all the urethane lower balls (Tour Response, Tout Speed, etc). Tour B RX is a tour level ball with the same consistency and has a quality urethane cover (not crap like some), so you can generate spin to stop it on the greens with short irons. Pros have the skill set to use such a ball with their long woods - but most amateurs hit massive slices and hooks with such a ball (now and then) - they would be better off with a ball that goes straighter. The Bridgestone Tour B RX is the best of both worlds - straight with the woods, but spins and stops with short irons. Putts great too - as good as all Pro level balls except the ProV (that putts awesome). LPGA players use the Tour B for a reason - 90-105 mph swing speeds is normal (I am 96).
What is a Titelist Left Dash?
That’s crazy the distance was that different and the ball speeds/ spin numbers weren’t that far from each other. What’s the reason for that, markedly different launch angle or something else?
Is the Inesis shorter due to aerodynamics? I can't find anything more than 6-8 yards of difference indoors when against the left dash. 116 swing speed
Try the 50 cent inesis ball ! It performs better than the many overpriced ball . Its all about knowing your game ! Sometimes cheap aint bad its perspective . Its like driving a lambo which cant fit a golf kit and driving a suv/car which can fit a kit .
OUCH!!!! Callaway off center core will fly where you will wish it didn't. That's a fact. Did they fix the issue?
Callaway said they did. Personally I like Titleist and anything made by Acushnet. Quality all the way in all their products. Never discounted because their standards are the top.
They did, they used the previous version of the ball when they showed the cut ball. You can tell because the sleeve is missing the precision technology branding. If you watch the intro again, you will see the logo on the Chrome Soft the narrator turns down because it's 50 bucks. So they could have used the current version, but decided not to.
Kirkland version 2.0 works well for me overall. Similar to Pro v1 for me. However, in an important game or tourney I defer back to Pro V1
I heard the Kirkland was up +\-1000 rpm on 90mph+ drives, costing 15-20yrds (and in my case ^% @ slice).
@@MaartenAnna yes, Golf Spy’s testing of golf balls in 2021 showed that the Kirkland is the spiniest. However, I need more spin in my game and I am a low spin of the driver and irons, I really don’t notice much drop off in distance with my driver, maybe 5 yards or so. I can honestly say, I believe in ball fitting. It is the one piece of equipment used in every shot. I have hit other other big name balls and did not get on with them. Plus I am a senior, my driver swing speed is around 95 to 100, I would not recommend the Kirkland for higher swing speeds.
Tried all and for the price maxfli tour are good but no longer available in yellow so out for now.
Would love to see you test the Costco brand golf balls.
3:07 gives new meaning to slice......somehow it is oddly gratifying to see it
I play the Srixon XV. I prefer the firmer feeling golf balls
Sure woulda been nice to have hit the chrome soft also. Just for comparison. Especially with the off center core being found in that batch.
That's old news. Titleist has issues also
Like the other reply said, old news and not an issue on the new version of the ball. MGS chose to use the old version, as to why, I have no idea.
@@brandonmcfarlane7121 Thanks for clarifying, I love the Callaway Chrome soft. Longest off the tee, great around the greens. I like the feel on the putter. This guy must work for Titleist.
@@Philzzz1 You can tell by the branding on the box. Even using this video, if you watch the beginning when the narrator at the store looks at the Callaways and says whoa 50$ bucks... those are the new balls. the precision technology logo. That logo is also on the sleeves and at the end for the "big reveal" you can see the Callaway sleeve does not have that logo on it.
Kudos to MGS for doing this for years now). But the fact is you still have to dig deeper than what was shown here or in their Ball Lab articles. There should be a chart that says which ball is best suited based on swing speed. I recall that the Titleist Left Dash is for guys that crush the ball and most players driver swing speed is below 95mph. The best thing about MGS efforts is the manufacturers know they;re being watched, which explains why Callaway fixed their production issue (last year I recall). You can have the best prototype in the world but it's what comes off the assembly line that counts.
Just started playing the left dash this week. I gotta keep playing it but not checking up on the green as much as Z star. Could be our greens are firm right now
Hmm. this week i managed around 5 300yrd drives. Here's the kicker. Some were with Titleist prov1 x and the others....Wilson Duo soft........
I've seen a few vids like this now, all with different results. how can that be?
Human error or inconsistent Golf Balls.
My own numbers don't lie. I'll keep using cheap balls.
You should have tested the $16 Top Flite Hammer Control. It's predecessor, the D2+ Feel was a great ball for the price.
Thanks, nice to know there's a replacement for those D2+ Feel. I liked those.
I have switched to mint used balls for now though, since I usually lose a new one the first time I hit it (at the very least hit a cart path!). Will have to try these Hammers and the Maxfli Tour people have commented about.
2 questions…
1 - Curious as to what compression the 3 balls used in the test were measured at and what role a higher or lower compression ball played relative to swing speed and overall distance?
2 - Does the act of cutting a ball and breaking the force the solid outer layers of a ball have on the core once cut impact the shape of the core? In the video when the balls are cut, you can see some flex. Just wondering if this is accounted for in some way or the assumption is that a cut ball should retain shape like a full ball after impact?
Enjoy all the research and results. Thanks for doing what you do.
If cutting the ball somehow caused off-centering of the core, one would expect all the balls to suffer from the same trauma.
This is definitely not the first time anybody has found that Callaway balls have more than their share of off-center cores and more unpredictable flight.
You should be wearing a Titleist hat.
I would like to see a comparison between prov and tp5 and maybe a Bridgestone golf ball
Workin on a bunch of new reviews here Cohen!
Is that a current 2022 Chrome Soft? I'd heard that they fixed the problem. Never played a Callaway ball and your test a few years back helped solidify that decision. My wife started playing the Chrome Soft this year and loves it. Been tempted to play a round with them and see what they are about since they are around.
Great review! Thanks again for valuable information !
Currently playing the Titleist Pro V1, but have played the Snell MTB Black in the past. I prefer the softer feel vs the Pro V1X, or the other "X" versions. However, I may get a dozen of the left dash Pro V1X to try, as I would like more distance off the tee.
Great, l play golf since 1976, if l believe on adds l should hit my wedge 220 meters, evry year ,+ 35 yards with the new xxx driver 5 yards more with the xxx spezial tee...... and so on..
Great work. Shirt, sweet and straight to the point. Bring on more videos like this.
Maxfli tour is what I play, excellent ball for the $$$
Thanks for the work and info.
Well presented too, y'all are funny as hell sometimes.
Is there a comprehensive list anywhere (as much possible, with a million ball brands/and variations), that has this type of performance vs price comparisons, or do you guys have one downloadable or maybe printable?
Good stuff.
i usually hit volvik crystal as not very many people play an orange ball so i do not have to mark it at all.
I love how the Callaway jab came at the end like a “mic drop”………Well done! 👍
Distance is directly linked to spin rate. Logically cheap balls with high spin rate fly shorter. Anyway do many tour players use the Inesis "Tour" 900?
74 yo, I play about any ball I FIND that others have lost, I am a 5 hdcp, its about course management/shot selection not ball,,, however I will give credit to a ball that holds a green. Cost vs compression etc is not really much of a factor when your swing speed/ flexibility etc deteriorates with age, play smart and your scores will reflect this, not the name on your ball…
How does 2.4 MPH ball speed difference and 170ish extra spin translate to being 30 yds shorter? I am going to guess it has something to do with launch angle? Or do some balls just have different aerodynamics (dimple patterns for example)?
Hello there I have used many different balls in my golfing lifetime going back to the Balata ones. Tright now i am using the 2022 On-Core Elixer and have found it gives me length and in general accuracy. The spin seems fair but however i don't hit the balls as hard as I once did. Do like your messages though and have shared them with some of my golfing buddies!!
Wish Maxfli would bring back the old HT90 wound and balata cover. It was not as long as some, but could carve left or right with great control. Felt great, around the green, and possibly the best off the putter.