Are there any after-market filters for Subaru that match their 23.2psi bypass spec? Only ones I've seen have spec between 8-17 psi. Don't know whether important or unimportant. Zero info found from dealers, dedicated shops, filter mfg or even from Subaru national.
It is extremely important. If you have a bypass valve that is below specification and it opens prematurely, you are not filtering any oil at all ( th-cam.com/video/aiLhfAFhkvs/w-d-xo.html ).
I think it's interesting how Subaru people are so obsessed with the bypass spring tension. The higher the tension, the more of a potential flow restriction the filter has. Personally, I'd rather have the least restrictive filter *when at WOT and high RPM's.* That said, I wouldn't use either of these on my EJ.
2009 and later Mazda RX-8 filters meet this bypass spec. MODIFIED turbo engines need this larger capacity. Personally I blew up 2 turbos in my EJ25. A K&N oil filter was my saving grace (Part # HP-1010). The larger capacity is need to capture metal shavings. Smaller filter would have clogged, bypassed and destroyed the engine.
Yes! Why do you think MOST people that buy Toyota stay with Toyota and MOST people that buy Honda stay with Honda....better quality and last longer in most cases.
What would be really interesting is to see a comparison of how they perform. Like putting some dirty oil through the filters and having the oil tested after to see which one is the cleanest...not sure how it could be done reliably, but it would be interesting to see :)
I have a Subaru and the blue one is the fram basic filter. And I know they have to be changed right on time. The black or Tokyo Roki is superior. Just can’t get the black one in the us.
It is a fram filter and it works very well. Fram has been making OEM filters forever. Fram makes OE filters for almost every manufacture on every continent. I've put well over a million miles on Fram filters, none have ever failed. Champion Labs / Champ also are cheap and make a fine filter.
tokyoroki filters are better!@@fragman21 fram may have SOME ok filters but most of them are trash! if you wanna go with a company based on their age, WIX is better in every aspect! also just because a normal fram filter works well on a typical sb350, doesnt mean it can handle the performance factors a turbo ej257 throws at it! every single engine has dedicated parts(filters) to hold up to the engines performance & longevity! Subaru comes from Japan so of course the filter from Japan is going to be the optimal choice hands down!!
@@ChrisPatrick-q6kbought some Auto Extra oil filters at Rock Auto for like $1.26, just to check them out. Cut one open, the quality between the element and the metal construction looked like the Subaru filter "printed" Made in Japan. Go figure 🎉
I think all filters should have that plastic. No need for a fancy box either, plain box. Keep the costs lower, as long as the information on it is correct. I like the Japanese one on quality but i prefer more inlet holes Pete and USA is less money. I wouldn't go over 5k with the OEM. For that price he could go with a better brand. Thanks again Pete, you're the man with these videos. Love them.
My 2021 Crosstrek Sport came with the Japanese Filter and my dealer installed the USA one on my first service. I will go with the Japanese one from now on. Thanks for the info!!
Clearly the made in japan filter is the winner ! but there should be a lower cost compatible replacement ! good video because now we know this ! thanks !
Beautiful, thank you for sharing, I'm going Subaru Engine Oil Filter 15208AA160 in my 21 outback. Local alternative Subaru shop uses 6 star filters these are mad in Taiwan, it seems 6 star is a subcontractor for Subaru they other parts as well...
How nice of Jeff to send you this filter! Had no idea that it’s so expensive. The filter media may be made of better material. The threads definitely look better as you have mentioned. Another great review! Have a great weekend! 😊
The USA made Subaru filter looks similar to the Honda filter for my dad's Accord. I bet they're both made by FRAM. I think the Japanese filter is higher quality. I use WIX on my dad's car. It saves me a trip to the dealership and I believe the WIX is better.
Yes Fram makes both the Suby filter and the Honda A02. The obvious difference is Honda uses a silicone adbv which is superior to nitrile used in Suby filter.
I think I would pick the Japanese made filter. I like the larger inlet holes but the inner cage looks to have more holes evenly spaced, and metal end caps. IDK about the cost if it is worth it over a Fram XG, but it is a nice OEM filter. One would think that a car manufacturer would have specific design requirements of something as simple as an oil filter that is to be met by whom ever manufactures it. But clearly that is not the case. I still want to see what oil filter the manufacture put on the car from the factory. I hope someone will send you one some day.
The black one in this case might be the filter they put on the new Subaru's, I dont know though. Yes, I'd like to open up a factory Ford filter. I'm curious to see if they are made differently. Thanks for the feedback👍
@@jd5393 Good for you! You got the 2.5L that's good. I heard the 2.0 was a bit underpowered. Thanks for sharing, and hope your New ride runs well for you Congrats.👍
Thank you for doing the comparison video.Both filters are made to manufacturer specs and should be fine for most people using their Subaru for every day use. Subaru would not use paper end caps if it cost them repairing engines under warranty. Have a nice weekend!
Brew does not use paper end caps, those are fiber end caps and everyone that keeps repeating that their paper end caps needs to understand the difference.
Have heard about this, so when took my brand new forester to dealer for oil change, sure enough they replaced the factory black filter (by Tokyo Roki) with a blue one. So much for going to dealer for factory matched parts. Gotta love it.
Great video my question is how come you don't test the bypass spring tension? That plays one of the biggest differences in oil filters by filtering the oil longer through element or just bypassing the filter.
Thank You! I tried making a device to measure the stamped leaf springs but that device didn't turn out so good. I welcome any ideas on what, or how I could do this. Thanks!
@@WhipCityWrencher a calibrated hydraulic press with a digital readout may work but I’m sure is impractical due to cost. Possibly just as interesting may be a flow test to see if there is any difference in flow rate through the filters. How does the difference in hole design effect flow rate? One has more inlet holes but fewer holes in the center tube, the other is the opposite. The filter media on one is thicker than the other, if they share the same density (ability to block the same size particulates) it seems that the thicker material would need a higher pressure to push the oil through it. Given that these filters are for the same engine application perhaps the differences in design elements (media thickness, media length, pleats, and holes) result in equivalent flow rate anyway? Edit: BTW I do find these comparisons very interesting. Thanks for answering basic questions us shade tree mechanics have always wondered about 👍
You can compare the spring tension only, if the area of bypass is the same. Bypass will not be opened by some mechanical force. It will be opened by a force from hydraylic pressure. This force depends from pressure and area
A lot of the USA guys and gals don't want to admit the filter from Japan is better. That US filter looks like fram painted blue! Same reason why people go Honda and Toyota for reliability. Just made better. Made here in the states doesn't mean its made better.
I'm doing my first oil change on my 2024 WRX TR and I just ordered the black oil filter and 3 five quart jugs of pennsoil ultra platinum 0-20. I've seen people say that they use 5-30 but I live in the north so cold temps are coming so I'll stick with the 0-20
I prefer to use made in Japan one(black) because the build quality is better, although you don’t feel difference. Honda’s car the same oil filter myth and buster too.
Another good video. Nice to see the comparison between the two filters. I think the filter from Japan is probably the better of the two. Thanks for sharing! Merri :)
Never used a Fram or Japanese filter on my 02 2.5L. Purolator, Hastings, Wix,Mobil-1. Had a remote filter for a while using PH-8A equivalent filters and the bypass pressure doesn't matter.
If you change your oil every 5000 miles, I would go with the USA made, I will always believe new oil every 5000 miles is the most important thing, any approved filter should be more than good enough to use.
I use both these filters and the Fram TG on my 2018 Forester XT. The blue clearly is a Fram TG painted blue , I have checked this in my own garage. The black is a Tokyo Roki used during assembly in Japan, in the States the blue one replaces it..
A note on the blue Subaru oil filter 15208AA15A - they are not available at the dealers now and they are scrambling to find a replacement. I have seen posts saying they had an issue with leaking at the baseplate seam but have not seen official word of that from Subaru or on the bible of oil filter knowledge - the Fram website.
That’s true. Subaru published a TSB in November saying they could no longer supply the blue 15A (Fram) filter due to supply chain/material issues. The dealers are substituting a blue generic filter! I still have a Subaru 15A filter but, after that I’m going to order the black Tokyo Rikki 160 filters from an eBay supplier for about $10 each.
Both look to be adequate filters, but nothing special. Both use nitrile adbv and if like other Asian OEM filters, efficiency is nothing to brag about. I'm certain the media on both is cellulose based with perhaps some synthetic fibers, blended. I prefer the construction of the Japan made filter to the Fram made blue. Both fine for 5-6k oci. or whatever Suby recommends. Between the two, I'd choose the black can. Thanks for vid.
Oil and fliters are always cheaper than engine work. Use the best oil and an approved filter and change it at the appropriate interval for the kind of driving you do. I have been driving since 1965 and none of my cars has ever needed oil related engine work. I have never seen an oil filter fail on my vehicles. Personally, I have no loyalty to brand of oil or filters. I buy whatever full synthetic oil of the proper grade is the best deal at the time and use the filter with the best deal. I change the oil and filter when the maintenance minder tells me to. That is usually about 5000 miles. My engine seems to be clean and sludge free so I think it is working for me.
Great info videos on all your oil filters, it's really interesting to see how and what there made of. Looks like you have some great tools to use in comparing each filter to the other. I have only one complaint and it's how you are using the vernier calipers to measure the can thickness. I know it is trivial but if you really want the correct thickness you should only be using the narrowest tips on the caliper blades not the flat portion. Like I said it is just trivial as it really isn't important if you are off by a thousandth of an inch or two, but if you are measuring something that needs to be exact then you would be off a thousandth or two maybe more, that would depend on the inside diameter of what your measuring. Please keep up the good work and don't let my rant bother you. God bless.
This is interesting stuff. I think the most interesting comparison I saw between filters made in Japan and filters that weren't applied to the Nissan 300ZX. Those filters typically were and still are made there. They are built about as tough as a filter can be. The ones sold for practically every current Nissan are not impressive at all. 1996 was the last year the Nissan 300ZX was sold in the USA. That in mind, many older Nissans would get an oil change at whatever quick oil change place had a deal at the time. Those older Nissan engines would go for ages with whatever oil and filter the oil change place was having at the time. Recently I picked up a Beck/Arnley filter for a Mitsubishi engine, but it was made in South Korea. Externally, it looks extremely overbuilt. Internally, I don't know.
@@WhipCityWrencher Glad to help. I can't say I would know what a Beck/Arnley filter would look like inside. They write their name or various OE supplier goods. The filter has some instructions written in Japanese, which I find odd. I'm guessing this filter dates back to the days when Hyundai bought equipment from Mitsubishi to build their cars. That was ages ago. Hmmm... The Nissan 300ZX was also built ages ago, maybe there is a bit of similarity. I don't know what a modern made i South Korea filter would look like, anyway. I never saw one before, or maybe I didn't notice.
Supposedly, the Mazda factory filter part number N3R1-14-302 is a carbon copy of the MIJ Subaru filter and easily found at US dealerships. Also, it pertains to another video, but I'm curious if you could do a quick burn test on the anti-drain back valve of your Denso 150-2002 from several months ago. Silicone will hardly burn and leave a white ash, while nitrile will burn easily with lots of black soot. I know Denso says it's silicone (and it was previously, and red to boot), but the changeover to black since moving production to China makes me wonder. (EDIT) I read further down the comments and see this was brought up - please do a burn test on the Denso drain back valve!
Hi Gratussi, I'll make a short comparison burn test video on the Denso you mentioned and a known silicone anti-drain back valve. You guys can come to your own conclusions. I'll try and put the video out this coming weekend. If it's okay I'll mention your name (Gratussi) in the video if it's not okay let me know and I won't.
@@WhipCityWrencher Thank you! I'm really curious to see what the test shows. I liked the Denso FTF when it was made in Thailand, but I'm leery of the Chinese made one.
I think both these filters will perform well although I always prefer Japanese made parts, what worries me nowadays is the bigger mileages that manufacturers have between service intervals- I realise oil quality has vastly improved but I still like to change my oil every 6000 miles!!
Subaru has not changed their standard oil change interval in the past decade, it is still 6,000 miles and I would say it is unlikely to change to a longer interval anytime soon.
Doesn't your vehicle monitor the oil and give you a heads up on when it needs serviced? I've got a Honda and the engine just lets me know ahead of time that I should probably schedule service. It really depends on our driving habits.
@@mweskamppp - Now that is a lot of miles!!. - Someone else replied to me that his Ford Van is on a service contract and gets serviced every 20,000 miles but when I looked on Ford's own site they were recommending 7500 between oil changes. This is what I meant about the actual oil change mileage was far too long on some service schedules.
If it looks like a Fram, smells like Fram, feels like a Fram, it's a Fram! Paint the blue one orange and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Made in USA means nothing nowadays.
I can't use an orange can fram 7317 on my 2013 Subaru Forester. I think it can't take the pressure. I use the 7317 on my Honda Accord with no problem. I don't have problems with using Fram. That being said, I also use higher quality oil and filters if I'm going on long road trips like Amsoil and Royal Purple. It's a bigger deal with oil filters if they are underneath the car. If they are on top like my Subaru, I can change it whenever I want it I have super high quality oil in there. I know that I'm a geek and have an oil filter opener and have been on Bob is the Oil Guy for years. I take care of my cars and put on oil and filters accordingly. The blue can Subie filters are different from the Fram because the Fram can't take the pressure on long trips. I never use them on my Subies, but no problems on my Honda or on my friend's Misubishi, so....
@@wildmanofthewynooch7028 I can't use that. In order for me to use any filter specs. in my videos, like micron ratings, etc.. I need to have a website or something similar where I can direct a person to go if they question the specs. I put out.
A good comparison of the two filters. Now let's do a comparison of the oil flow through the medium material. Just because there's lots of filter material there may be oil flow issues as the filter ages.
I would purchase the made in Japan filter. I figure Subaru Japan designed the Engine & are better placed to know the specs of the filter they require more so than Subaru America, or any Subaru in the rest of the world for that matter.
What about Subaru vs M1 or Fram? I've heard other filters don't have the right pressure limit. Their turbo engines supposedly have much higher oil pressure than most other engines.
That bypass spec is from 2009 and there have been incredible advances in oil filtration since then which has made the bypass paranoia completely irrelevant at this point.
You should measure the spring strength of the bypass valve. I'm curious if cheaper filters use softer springs? It is still hard for me to believe that some tiny filters can be rated for 10k miles and are better then older larger style filters Ford ran for decades.
Newer engines introduce less crap to the oil stream. I've got a 2009 Chevy w/ over 100K mi, and the oil is still amber, even when it's time for an oil change.
Both decent looking filters, but the Japan one seems a little higher quality and worth the extra $’s, I’d go with that one. Could you add a postal address to your ‘About’ information so subscribers can send you new filters to examine?
I'd be interested to know what an over-the-counter filter from the dealer looks like. With counterfeiting of all sorts of auto parts out there, I wouldn't be surprised if the blue can is counterfeit and just inked to say made in USA. It is certainly cheaper in construction than the Made in Japan filter.
Although it has the horrid cardboard end caps, I'd have to go with the made in U.S.A. filter for the increased number of inlet holes given the filter media is effectively the same size.
Those endcaps are not made of cardboard, they are made of fiber just like the filter media. So if you have a problem with the end caps on the blue filter you have a problem with the filter media on the black filter.
I have seen many videos and read about OEM counterfeit filters , especially Toyota . These filters are always packaged and labeled “ made in Japan” . I would be cautious about any of these filters especially when purchasing on the internet. I would go with the USA produced filter especially since it was purchased from a dealership site . Made in USA definitely doesn’t hurt either 🤔
When I want a filter made in the USA, I try to see if a Motorcraft has a match. My mom had a Jeep Grand Cherokee that would work with an FL400. Her current Honda CRV takes an FL816.
Peter, hey I'm by no means a mathematician, but based on how much more filter media appears to be left on the Japanese filter, it would appear there's about 9 square inches more, not one. Not that that's a deal breaker. Hey you know that Chevron semi-synthetic oil at walmart is still a kickin deal at under 15 bucks. Last time I checked, at lease, any new deals??
Hi DG, It really doesn't matter how much material is left on the filter after I cut it, half the filter could be still on there and the sq. in. would still be the same, because I multiply the width measurement before I cut it, and then multiply it by the length of the filter material. No, I haven't seen any good deals, not with this crazy inflation, Walmarts asking something like $51 bucks a jug for my Pennzoil Platinum😞. Luckily I have a few jugs that I bought before the prices went nuts. The Chevron is a good deal, I still have a few of them also. I think I'll pick up some more before that goes to a crazy price also. Take Care!👍
@@WhipCityWrencher $51 bucks? Wow! lol Hey don't worry I'm not questioning your methods, was just commenting on what I thought I saw. It's all good. Keep up the great work, we appreciate it!
@@dgunearthed7859 Thank You DG,😊 You know these prices on everything is going crazy, the other day the Pennzoil Platinum was $51. something, and today it's at $23.97. The prices change from day to day. So I ordered a couple more jugs. Take Care!👍
@@WhipCityWrencher Smart! I watch sales religiously now. I think it's less inflation and more corps seeing if they get away with overcharging. I'm patient and generally get the price I used to pay. I'm SO glad I replaced my furnace and A/C unit this winter though. Utilities have, I have heard, gone up but my monthly energy bill has plummeted. Gotta keep track of that stuff.
@@lexwaldez Thanks! We had a mild winter where I live so I haven't really noticed an increase in my utility bill but I'm sure it went up along with the fuel prices. I'll probably notice the increase once the AC starts going on.
Whipper.. . looks like a Fram and a Denso.. and you should double check that adbv on the black one.. just like Denso's china filters.. that black one might be silicone.
@@WhipCityWrencher when you did one of the Denso with the black one 150-2010.. you were messing around with it.. and mentioned it was so springy.. that it had to be silicone.
@@memopadilla5931 True, they do feel like silicone, and Denso claims on RockAuto's website that they are silicone. But they are the only black ADBV that claim to be silicone, that I've ever seen. I read on other forums that they dont make black silicone ADBV. (Who Knows) So I'm a bit confused about them now, I hope you can see why I dont want to spread any misinformation. So now I'll just say they claim to be silicone. Thanks, Memo!👍
@@WhipCityWrencher well.. I think it is the only one you have ever commented on the flexibility compared to regular black nitrile.. that is important... Also the new Fram cost cutting models with the black you mentioned they definitely feel like nitrile.
@@WhipCityWrencher We can't be concerned with what "might be" -- we KNOW that the reddish color of the Silicone ADBV is a clear signal of an authentic SILICONE Valve. Using the reddish color as a benchmark, we can tell at a glance whether the filter has a Silicone ADBV. No point in even "testing" the black ADBVs, they've already failed to deliver.
The blue one is a Fram. the cardboard end caps are an accident waiting to happen. this material breaks down and gets into the oil stream. this is a fuckup on the scale if the head gasket fiasco potentially in my opinion. I bought a case if the black ones for my daughters Forester right before they became scarce and expensive. $20 each is insane, but Wix or Purolator instead, they have the proper back pressure relief valve ratings.
It's good that you got a case of the black ones, I dont care for the cardboard endcaps either, Please dont take this wrong, but an accident waiting to happen? A Big Maybe. The truth be told before the internet started bashing the Fram orange can I was using them for years without any engine issues. Thanks for your feedback!
@@WhipCityWrencher "Mr. Subaru" took one apart and the cardboard was disintegrating. Every mechanic You Tuber has mentioned that they would not use them in their cars. This is an obvious cost cutting measure, only Fram does this, it's just greed. Other manufacturers can make profit using metal end caps, Fram could as well, but the CEO needs to buy another vacation home or yacht.
Those in caps are not cardboard they're fiber media and if they're so bad and prone to failure please show me an actual failure because millions of these get used every year and have not seen a single one fail.
Mr Subaru is a stroke that does not know the first thing about oil filters. Just because someone worked as a mechanic at a Subaru dealership does not make them an expert on oil filters or really anything else other than taking instructions and turning a wrench.
The black filter is cheaper in Japan and the blue one is more expensive. So, all of the Japanese enthusiasts who want to run USDM parts pay more for the blue can. Funny how that works. 🇺🇲🏁🇯🇵
What I really want to see is a bench test that shows when the by-pass valve opens. I have a notion that as the filter media gets oil-soaked, the backpressure opens the valve to at least some extent. Then we'll know if it really matters how many square inches of filter media there is.
Good Luck with that. Means one would have to see inside an OF while it's in use, or have some kind of in use psi measurement gauges in vehicle. A member on bobistheguy did the latter with before and after OF filter psi measurement. He found bypass opens very infrequently. If it happens it would be at start up in very cold conditions and/or with a higher viscosity oil. With cellulose or blend media, media area more important than with synthetic media.
@@faxmen09 I can understand that. I'm no engineer, but if you know the necessary operating pressure required for a particular engine, one can design a by-pass valve that opens at some predetermined pressure to sustain the safe oil pressure. My guess is that is how the OF manufacturers do it. Then again, some OFs have applications that span 4-6-8 cyl engines. Universal oil pressures?
Proof that there’s nothing wrong with FRAM and that they produce OE filters. Tens of millions of Subaru’s and Honda’s out there with an OE FRAM produced filter on them.
Motorbike story, but the principals are the same: Knew a guy with a motorbike shop. I used to visit socially (a lot of rum disappeared from the lunch room during late night sessions) and, naturally, I would go there to do work I could do myself or get advice and assistance for the trickier stuff. One day I asked if I could bring my bike in for an oil change (he had bulk good quality oil I could buy cheap). "Sure. Have you got a filter?" "Don't need one." "How come?" "The book says you only need to change the filter every second oil change." He looked at me and said: "A filter is a lot cheaper than a rebuild." Every oil change I have ever done since that time (about 30 years ago) on any vehicle, 2 or 4 wheels, personal property or other family members, I have gone into the job with oil and a new oil filter.
Fun fact. Try to use that blue one and follow the installation instructions on the filter. Why is that fun? Because you can’t actually follow the instructions unless you want to destroy the filter and maybe damage your car.
I don't think I'd want to use either one of them honestly. There are trade offs from one to the other. I guess I'd choose the Japanese filter just because it looks like it was made sturdier but it's media is kinda generic and has less inlet holes.
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Are there any after-market filters for Subaru that match their 23.2psi bypass spec? Only ones I've seen have spec between 8-17 psi. Don't know whether important or unimportant. Zero info found from dealers, dedicated shops, filter mfg or even from Subaru national.
Sorry, I dont know,
but I'll pin your question so it sits on top. Maybe someone else has some suggestions.
@@WhipCityWrencher Thanks for the courtesy. Hopeful for answer.
It is extremely important. If you have a bypass valve that is below specification and it opens prematurely, you are not filtering any oil at all ( th-cam.com/video/aiLhfAFhkvs/w-d-xo.html ).
I think it's interesting how Subaru people are so obsessed with the bypass spring tension. The higher the tension, the more of a potential flow restriction the filter has.
Personally, I'd rather have the least restrictive filter *when at WOT and high RPM's.*
That said, I wouldn't use either of these on my EJ.
2009 and later Mazda RX-8 filters meet this bypass spec. MODIFIED turbo engines need this larger capacity. Personally I blew up 2 turbos in my EJ25. A K&N oil filter was my saving grace (Part # HP-1010). The larger capacity is need to capture metal shavings. Smaller filter would have clogged, bypassed and destroyed the engine.
The made in Japan filter demonstrates a higher quality build.
It doesn't necessarily though.
You are correct
Yes! Why do you think MOST people that buy Toyota stay with Toyota and MOST people that buy Honda stay with Honda....better quality and last longer in most cases.
I've used the black version in my 2017 WRX since I purchased it new. Never had any issues. Car now has 97,000 miles.
What would be really interesting is to see a comparison of how they perform. Like putting some dirty oil through the filters and having the oil tested after to see which one is the cleanest...not sure how it could be done reliably, but it would be interesting to see :)
I have a Subaru and the blue one is the fram basic filter. And I know they have to be changed right on time. The black or Tokyo Roki is superior. Just can’t get the black one in the us.
I'm buying the Made in USA filter since it's half the cost. And after 225,000 miles on my Forester, I can vouch that they work just fine.
Thanks for sharing👍
It is a fram filter and it works very well. Fram has been making OEM filters forever. Fram makes OE filters for almost every manufacture on every continent. I've put well over a million miles on Fram filters, none have ever failed. Champion Labs / Champ also are cheap and make a fine filter.
tokyoroki filters are better!@@fragman21 fram may have SOME ok filters but most of them are trash! if you wanna go with a company based on their age, WIX is better in every aspect! also just because a normal fram filter works well on a typical sb350, doesnt mean it can handle the performance factors a turbo ej257 throws at it! every single engine has dedicated parts(filters) to hold up to the engines performance & longevity! Subaru comes from Japan so of course the filter from Japan is going to be the optimal choice hands down!!
Paper end caps? Looks cheap to me, I'm not a Fram fan
@@ChrisPatrick-q6kbought some Auto Extra oil filters at Rock Auto for like $1.26, just to check them out. Cut one open, the quality between the element and the metal construction looked like the Subaru filter "printed" Made in Japan. Go figure 🎉
I would trust the filter made in Japan over the filter made by fram
Only ever used the black one on my wife’s Subaru and that’s what came on it from the factory.
Thanks for sharing👍
I think all filters should have that plastic. No need for a fancy box either, plain box. Keep the costs lower, as long as the information on it is correct.
I like the Japanese one on quality but i prefer more inlet holes Pete and USA is less money. I wouldn't go over 5k with the OEM.
For that price he could go with a better brand. Thanks again Pete, you're the man with these videos. Love them.
Thanks for your feedback John,👍
Glad you like the videos!😊
My 2021 Crosstrek Sport came with the Japanese Filter and my dealer installed the USA one on my first service. I will go with the Japanese one from now on. Thanks for the info!!
Thanks for sharing
Clearly the made in japan filter is the winner ! but there should be a lower cost compatible replacement ! good video because now we know this ! thanks !
Thank You! and
Thanks for the feedback!👍
If you get the black filter at the dealer it’s $10
Beautiful, thank you for sharing, I'm going Subaru Engine Oil Filter 15208AA160 in my 21 outback.
Local alternative Subaru shop uses 6 star filters these are mad in Taiwan, it seems 6 star is a subcontractor for Subaru they other parts as well...
How nice of Jeff to send you this filter! Had no idea that it’s so expensive. The filter media may be made of better material. The threads definitely look better as you have mentioned. Another great review! Have a great weekend! 😊
Thanks, Ella,
You have a Great weekend also!😊
@@WhipCityWrencher, Thanks! 😊
The USA made Subaru filter looks similar to the Honda filter for my dad's Accord. I bet they're both made by FRAM. I think the Japanese filter is higher quality. I use WIX on my dad's car. It saves me a trip to the dealership and I believe the WIX is better.
Thanks for sharing👍
Fram makes the us filter and Tokyo Roki makes the Japanese filter
@@scottkwiatkowski8472 Toyo Roki
@@Whateva67 thanks lol
Yes Fram makes both the Suby filter and the Honda A02. The obvious difference is Honda uses a silicone adbv which is superior to nitrile used in Suby filter.
I'd stick to the Japan made filter for the Subaru BR-Z, Scion FR-S and Toyota 86 ( GT86). It's made for it
The blue one has a lot more blue paint on it than the black one too.
I purchased a 2023 Outback with the 2.4L turbo. It came with the blue filter. Service department stated that is the filter that I should use.
Hi Brian,
Thanks for Sharing!👍
WIX XP or the NAPA version would be my choice.
Popped up in my feed watching now 👍
Thanks Missy👍
Hope you liked the video😊
Japan filter winner winner chicken dinner 😏
I think I would pick the Japanese made filter. I like the larger inlet holes but the inner cage looks to have more holes evenly spaced, and metal end caps. IDK about the cost if it is worth it over a Fram XG, but it is a nice OEM filter. One would think that a car manufacturer would have specific design requirements of something as simple as an oil filter that is to be met by whom ever manufactures it. But clearly that is not the case. I still want to see what oil filter the manufacture put on the car from the factory. I hope someone will send you one some day.
The black one in this case might be the filter they put on the new Subaru's, I dont know though.
Yes, I'd like to open up a factory Ford filter. I'm curious to see if they are made differently.
Thanks for the feedback👍
The black filter is used from the factory on Japanese made Subaru vehicles, the blue filter is the factory filter on American made Subaru vehicles.
@@WhipCityWrencher just picked up a 22 crosstrek sport from the factory. It uses the made in Japan filters for oem 2.5L
@@jd5393 Good for you!
You got the 2.5L that's good. I heard the 2.0 was a bit underpowered. Thanks for sharing, and hope your New ride runs well for you Congrats.👍
Thank you for doing the comparison video.Both filters are made to manufacturer specs and should be fine for most people using their Subaru for every day use. Subaru would not use paper end caps if it cost them repairing engines under warranty. Have a nice weekend!
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Have a nice weekend also!😊
I agree. I mean how much different is the blue Subaru filter from the blue Honda filter? Somehow Honda can make engines to last a long time.
Brew does not use paper end caps, those are fiber end caps and everyone that keeps repeating that their paper end caps needs to understand the difference.
Have heard about this, so when took my brand new forester to dealer for oil change, sure enough they replaced the factory black filter (by Tokyo Roki) with a blue one. So much for going to dealer for factory matched parts. Gotta love it.
Don't worry about it. The blue filter is just as good. Well glued cardboard end caps are perfectly fine.
Great video my question is how come you don't test the bypass spring tension? That plays one of the biggest differences in oil filters by filtering the oil longer through element or just bypassing the filter.
Thank You!
I tried making a device to measure the stamped leaf springs but that device didn't turn out so good. I welcome any ideas on what, or how I could do this. Thanks!
@@WhipCityWrencher a calibrated hydraulic press with a digital readout may work but I’m sure is impractical due to cost. Possibly just as interesting may be a flow test to see if there is any difference in flow rate through the filters. How does the difference in hole design effect flow rate? One has more inlet holes but fewer holes in the center tube, the other is the opposite. The filter media on one is thicker than the other, if they share the same density (ability to block the same size particulates) it seems that the thicker material would need a higher pressure to push the oil through it. Given that these filters are for the same engine application perhaps the differences in design elements (media thickness, media length, pleats, and holes) result in equivalent flow rate anyway?
Edit: BTW I do find these comparisons very interesting. Thanks for answering basic questions us shade tree mechanics have always wondered about 👍
You can compare the spring tension only, if the area of bypass is the same. Bypass will not be opened by some mechanical force. It will be opened by a force from hydraylic pressure. This force depends from pressure and area
A lot of the USA guys and gals don't want to admit the filter from Japan is better. That US filter looks like fram painted blue! Same reason why people go Honda and Toyota for reliability. Just made better. Made here in the states doesn't mean its made better.
I also believe that the Subaru blue oil filter is also a Fram filter painted blue. But Fram filters aren't all that bad as some may say.
I'm doing my first oil change on my 2024 WRX TR and I just ordered the black oil filter and 3 five quart jugs of pennsoil ultra platinum 0-20. I've seen people say that they use 5-30 but I live in the north so cold temps are coming so I'll stick with the 0-20
Thanks for Sharing👍
I prefer to use made in Japan one(black) because the build quality is better, although you don’t feel difference. Honda’s car the same oil filter myth and buster too.
The black ones are from factory. But they come to the dealership with the blue ones sometimes, and they will have a white mark on top of them.
Another good video. Nice to see the comparison between the two filters. I think the filter from Japan is probably the better of the two. Thanks for sharing! Merri :)
Thanks, Merri!😊
I can’t remember if the blue filter is made by Honeywell or Fram now, I prefer the Toki Roku filter myself
Honeywell has not made a Fram filter for over 11 years, Fram is owned by First Brands at this time.
tokyoroki😂
Just stumbled on this channel but I like the laid back approach. Thanks for all the info.
Your Welcome!
Never used a Fram or Japanese filter on my 02 2.5L. Purolator, Hastings, Wix,Mobil-1. Had a remote filter for a while using PH-8A equivalent filters and the bypass pressure doesn't matter.
If you change your oil every 5000 miles, I would go with the USA made, I will always believe new oil every 5000 miles is the most important thing, any approved filter should be more than good enough to use.
Thanks for sharing👍
The Japanese one is designed to be unfolded and use as a Geisha fan. Dual use
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Hola, muchas gracias por la prolija explicación. Cual me recomiendas para mi subaru Outback del año 2015 ya con 180 mil km?
Thanks,
either filter should work well in your Subaru.
I use both these filters and the Fram TG on my 2018 Forester XT. The blue clearly is a Fram TG painted blue , I have checked this in my own garage. The black is a Tokyo Roki used during assembly in Japan, in the States the blue one replaces it..
Thanks for your feedback👍
A note on the blue Subaru oil filter 15208AA15A - they are not available at the dealers now and they are scrambling to find a replacement. I have seen posts saying they had an issue with leaking at the baseplate seam but have not seen official word of that from Subaru or on the bible of oil filter knowledge - the Fram website.
Thanks, Jeff!
That’s true. Subaru published a TSB in November saying they could no longer supply the blue 15A (Fram) filter due to supply chain/material issues. The dealers are substituting a blue generic filter!
I still have a Subaru 15A filter but, after that I’m going to order the black Tokyo Rikki 160 filters from an eBay supplier for about $10 each.
I wonder if the area of holes in Japan filter maybe designed to achieve a certain pressure differential across the oil pump
I have no idea?
No I think it has those holes because that's what the metal press/stamp makes it look like it has not been changed for a long time.
Thinking it may have to do with break in.
I'm using the NAPA Gold 7055, on my 2021 crosstrek limited here in Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin. I get them at napa on sale for $4.00.
That's a good price!👍
I have to agree $4 for a Napa Gold no brainer GREAT PRICE !
hopefully that works out for you
Both look to be adequate filters, but nothing special. Both use nitrile adbv and if like other Asian OEM filters, efficiency is nothing to brag about. I'm certain the media on both is cellulose based with perhaps some synthetic fibers, blended. I prefer the construction of the Japan made filter to the Fram made blue. Both fine for 5-6k oci. or whatever Suby recommends. Between the two, I'd choose the black can. Thanks for vid.
Thanks for the feedback! 👍
Oil and fliters are always cheaper than engine work. Use the best oil and an approved filter and change it at the appropriate interval for the kind of driving you do. I have been driving since 1965 and none of my cars has ever needed oil related engine work. I have never seen an oil filter fail on my vehicles.
Personally, I have no loyalty to brand of oil or filters. I buy whatever full synthetic oil of the proper grade is the best deal at the time and use the filter with the best deal. I change the oil and filter when the maintenance minder tells me to. That is usually about 5000 miles. My engine seems to be clean and sludge free so I think it is working for me.
Hi Walter,
Thanks for sharing👍
Sounds like a good OCI to me😊
Great info videos on all your oil filters, it's really interesting to see how and what there made of. Looks like you have some great tools to use in comparing each filter to the other. I have only one complaint and it's how you are using the vernier calipers to measure the can thickness. I know it is trivial but if you really want the correct thickness you should only be using the narrowest tips on the caliper blades not the flat portion. Like I said it is just trivial as it really isn't important if you are off by a thousandth of an inch or two, but if you are measuring something that needs to be exact then you would be off a thousandth or two maybe more, that would depend on the inside diameter of what your measuring.
Please keep up the good work and don't let my rant bother you.
God bless.
Thank You!
This is interesting stuff.
I think the most interesting comparison I saw between filters made in Japan and filters that weren't applied to the Nissan 300ZX. Those filters typically were and still are made there. They are built about as tough as a filter can be. The ones sold for practically every current Nissan are not impressive at all. 1996 was the last year the Nissan 300ZX was sold in the USA.
That in mind, many older Nissans would get an oil change at whatever quick oil change place had a deal at the time. Those older Nissan engines would go for ages with whatever oil and filter the oil change place was having at the time.
Recently I picked up a Beck/Arnley filter for a Mitsubishi engine, but it was made in South Korea. Externally, it looks extremely overbuilt. Internally, I don't know.
Thanks for sharing👍
@@WhipCityWrencher Glad to help. I can't say I would know what a Beck/Arnley filter would look like inside. They write their name or various OE supplier goods.
The filter has some instructions written in Japanese, which I find odd.
I'm guessing this filter dates back to the days when Hyundai bought equipment from Mitsubishi to build their cars. That was ages ago. Hmmm... The Nissan 300ZX was also built ages ago, maybe there is a bit of similarity.
I don't know what a modern made i South Korea filter would look like, anyway. I never saw one before, or maybe I didn't notice.
Champ vs Denso filters? Just my observation from the looks of the filters.
Supposedly, the Mazda factory filter part number N3R1-14-302 is a carbon copy of the MIJ Subaru filter and easily found at US dealerships. Also, it pertains to another video, but I'm curious if you could do a quick burn test on the anti-drain back valve of your Denso 150-2002 from several months ago. Silicone will hardly burn and leave a white ash, while nitrile will burn easily with lots of black soot. I know Denso says it's silicone (and it was previously, and red to boot), but the changeover to black since moving production to China makes me wonder. (EDIT) I read further down the comments and see this was brought up - please do a burn test on the Denso drain back valve!
Hi Gratussi,
I'll make a short comparison burn test video on the Denso you mentioned and a known silicone anti-drain back valve. You guys can come to your own conclusions. I'll try and put the video out this coming weekend. If it's okay I'll mention your name (Gratussi) in the video if it's not okay let me know and I won't.
@@WhipCityWrencher Thank you! I'm really curious to see what the test shows. I liked the Denso FTF when it was made in Thailand, but I'm leery of the Chinese made one.
Hi Gratussi,
I made the video today and it will be shown at 6pm eastern my time.
Hope you like the video and hope I didn't butcher your name up.
@@WhipCityWrencher Thank you so much for your research!
I think both these filters will perform well although I always prefer Japanese made parts, what worries me nowadays is the bigger mileages that manufacturers have between service intervals- I realise oil quality has vastly improved but I still like to change my oil every 6000 miles!!
Thanks for your feedback👍
JMHO, but I think 5000 to 7500 is a good OCI using a good synthetic oil.
Subaru has not changed their standard oil change interval in the past decade, it is still 6,000 miles and I would say it is unlikely to change to a longer interval anytime soon.
Doesn't your vehicle monitor the oil and give you a heads up on when it needs serviced? I've got a Honda and the engine just lets me know ahead of time that I should probably schedule service. It really depends on our driving habits.
I used to change after 15000 to 17000 miles, depending on the service indication. It is not a subaru or other japanese brand.
@@mweskamppp - Now that is a lot of miles!!. - Someone else replied to me that his Ford Van is on a service contract and gets serviced every 20,000 miles but when I looked on Ford's own site they were recommending 7500 between oil changes. This is what I meant about the actual oil change mileage was far too long on some service schedules.
I might buy a Wix filter.
If it looks like a Fram, smells like Fram, feels like a Fram, it's a Fram! Paint the blue one orange and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Made in USA means nothing nowadays.
I can't use an orange can fram 7317 on my 2013 Subaru Forester. I think it can't take the pressure. I use the 7317 on my Honda Accord with no problem. I don't have problems with using Fram. That being said, I also use higher quality oil and filters if I'm going on long road trips like Amsoil and Royal Purple. It's a bigger deal with oil filters if they are underneath the car. If they are on top like my Subaru, I can change it whenever I want it I have super high quality oil in there. I know that I'm a geek and have an oil filter opener and have been on Bob is the Oil Guy for years. I take care of my cars and put on oil and filters accordingly. The blue can Subie filters are different from the Fram because the Fram can't take the pressure on long trips. I never use them on my Subies, but no problems on my Honda or on my friend's Misubishi, so....
All Subaru oil filters are now made by Tokyo Roki and the filter media is rated at 20 microns it’s a cellulose filter blend.
Could you tell me where you got that info? Thanks!
@@WhipCityWrencher
My Subaru parts dealer
@@wildmanofthewynooch7028 I can't use that. In order for me to use any filter specs. in my videos, like micron ratings, etc.. I need to have a website or something similar where I can direct a person to go if they question the specs. I put out.
A good comparison of the two filters. Now let's do a comparison of the oil flow through the medium material. Just because there's lots of filter material there may be oil flow issues as the filter ages.
Blue Subaru filter looks like a cheap Fram filter before they switched material for the drain back valve from rubber to silicone.
Yep, a Fram filter in a blue can
I would purchase the made in Japan filter. I figure Subaru Japan designed the Engine & are better placed to know the specs of the filter they require more so than Subaru America, or any Subaru in the rest of the world for that matter.
Japanese hands down.
What about Subaru vs M1 or Fram? I've heard other filters don't have the right pressure limit. Their turbo engines supposedly have much higher oil pressure than most other engines.
I don't know when but I'll do one in the future.
That bypass spec is from 2009 and there have been incredible advances in oil filtration since then which has made the bypass paranoia completely irrelevant at this point.
Ja[an one looks much higher quality.. i use that one in my 2012 forester
► Oil Filter Friday, watch a New Automotive oil filter inspection video every Friday on this TH-cam Channel.
Also the bypass valve is set at 27 psi.
You should measure the spring strength of the bypass valve. I'm curious if cheaper filters use softer springs? It is still hard for me to believe that some tiny filters can be rated for 10k miles and are better then older larger style filters Ford ran for decades.
What has led you to believe that this bypass spring would be softer?
Also the specific filters are rated for 6,000 miles of usage.
@@TranslatedAssumption Nothing led him to believe that. He said he's curious to learn if cheaper filters use softer springs.
Newer engines introduce less crap to the oil stream. I've got a 2009 Chevy w/ over 100K mi, and the oil is still amber, even when it's time for an oil change.
Both decent looking filters, but the Japan one seems a little higher quality and worth the extra $’s, I’d go with that one. Could you add a postal address to your ‘About’ information so subscribers can send you new filters to examine?
Send me an email and I'll give you my address. Poker4me007@gmail.com
Now i have to get a subaru.
Ha Ha
I would say made in Japan filter, but i most likely would use a Wix XP
I am wondering if the blue filter has the same bypass valve pressure of 1.5 bar? Does the spring feel stiffer than the regular Fram spring?
I'd be interested to know what an over-the-counter filter from the dealer looks like. With counterfeiting of all sorts of auto parts out there, I wouldn't be surprised if the blue can is counterfeit and just inked to say made in USA. It is certainly cheaper in construction than the Made in Japan filter.
This is where I got the Blue one from. Is it fake ? I don't know.www.subaruparts.com/oem-parts/subaru-oil-filter-15208aa15a?c=az0y
Over the counter from the dealer is the blue one.
@@WhipCityWrencher that’s real, we sell them at the auto parts store I work at. We also sell the black, but only for some models.
EXTREMELY doubtful the blue can Fram made Suby filter is "counterfeit". That's a US made Suby filter, no doubt.
Both of them look like high quality filters, so I'll take the one that costs less.
Although it has the horrid cardboard end caps, I'd have to go with the made in U.S.A. filter for the increased number of inlet holes given the filter media is effectively the same size.
Thanks for your feedback👍
Those endcaps are not made of cardboard, they are made of fiber just like the filter media. So if you have a problem with the end caps on the blue filter you have a problem with the filter media on the black filter.
It does have more inlet holes, but the center tube on the JDM filter has way more holes than the USDM. So they kinda trade restrictions.
Looks like USA one is a Fram TG.
Blue- Cheap Fram Black Japanese Made Quality-- Beware of knock offs that are sold out there.
I like features of each but would buy Wix Reg, Napa Gold, or Fram Ultra whatever was cheaper instead. Never more than about 6K on anything .
I have seen many videos and read about OEM counterfeit filters , especially Toyota . These filters are always packaged and labeled “ made in Japan” . I would be cautious about any of these filters especially when purchasing on the internet. I would go with the USA produced filter especially since it was purchased from a dealership site . Made in USA definitely doesn’t hurt either 🤔
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When I want a filter made in the USA, I try to see if a Motorcraft has a match. My mom had a Jeep Grand Cherokee that would work with an FL400. Her current Honda CRV takes an FL816.
Motorcraft , ac delco , Wix , Napa ( made by Wix) , even unfairly dated bad reputation Fram filters all good USA filters.
I just got me some made in Japan Subaru filters for my 18’ Crosstrek. Much better quality
Also some AMSOIL
Engine is purring like a cat 🐱
Use the Japanese filter every time!
Peter, hey I'm by no means a mathematician, but based on how much more filter media appears to be left on the Japanese filter, it would appear there's about 9 square inches more, not one. Not that that's a deal breaker. Hey you know that Chevron semi-synthetic oil at walmart is still a kickin deal at under 15 bucks. Last time I checked, at lease, any new deals??
Hi DG,
It really doesn't matter how much material is left on the filter after I cut it, half the filter could be still on there and the sq. in. would still be the same, because I multiply the width measurement before I cut it, and then multiply it by the length of the filter material.
No, I haven't seen any good deals, not with this crazy inflation, Walmarts asking something like $51 bucks a jug for my Pennzoil Platinum😞. Luckily I have a few jugs that I bought before the prices went nuts. The Chevron is a good deal, I still have a few of them also. I think I'll pick up some more before that goes to a crazy price also.
Take Care!👍
@@WhipCityWrencher $51 bucks? Wow! lol Hey don't worry I'm not questioning your methods, was just commenting on what I thought I saw. It's all good. Keep up the great work, we appreciate it!
@@dgunearthed7859 Thank You DG,😊
You know these prices on everything is going crazy, the other day the Pennzoil Platinum was $51. something, and today it's at $23.97. The prices change from day to day. So I ordered a couple more jugs.
Take Care!👍
@@WhipCityWrencher Smart! I watch sales religiously now. I think it's less inflation and more corps seeing if they get away with overcharging. I'm patient and generally get the price I used to pay. I'm SO glad I replaced my furnace and A/C unit this winter though. Utilities have, I have heard, gone up but my monthly energy bill has plummeted. Gotta keep track of that stuff.
@@lexwaldez Thanks!
We had a mild winter where I live so I haven't really noticed an increase in my utility bill but I'm sure it went up along with the fuel prices.
I'll probably notice the increase once the AC starts going on.
metal end caps mean a lot to me after watching a lot of your videos. I can see Subaru wanted to do one thing, make something cheap
Quantity vs Quality... That's the conclusion here...😉
Either one both work the same !
How are your finger nails so clean. I'm just a shop owner and i can never get mine that clean.
Dawn dish detergent soap.
Because it is cardboard it doesn't mean it will fall apart, if you change the oil every 6000 miles with the oil filter you will not have a problem
Whipper.. . looks like a Fram and a Denso.. and you should double check that adbv on the black one.. just like Denso's china filters.. that black one might be silicone.
I'm not sure if the Denso ADBV isn't nitrile rubber too. Anyway, how would I check it? is there a test to do this? Thanks for the feedback!👍
@@WhipCityWrencher when you did one of the Denso with the black one 150-2010.. you were messing around with it.. and mentioned it was so springy.. that it had to be silicone.
@@memopadilla5931 True, they do feel like silicone, and Denso claims on RockAuto's website that they are silicone. But they are the only black ADBV that claim to be silicone, that I've ever seen. I read on other forums that they dont make black silicone ADBV. (Who Knows) So I'm a bit confused about them now, I hope you can see why I dont want to spread any misinformation. So now I'll just say they claim to be silicone.
Thanks, Memo!👍
@@WhipCityWrencher well.. I think it is the only one you have ever commented on the flexibility compared to regular black nitrile.. that is important... Also the new Fram cost cutting models with the black you mentioned they definitely feel like nitrile.
@@WhipCityWrencher We can't be concerned with what "might be" -- we KNOW that the reddish color of the Silicone ADBV is a clear signal of an authentic SILICONE Valve.
Using the reddish color as a benchmark, we can tell at a glance whether the filter has a Silicone ADBV.
No point in even "testing" the black ADBVs, they've already failed to deliver.
Thx bro! You’ve been very helpful 🤙🙏
Thank You!👍
Greatly Appreciated 😊
The blue one is a Fram.
the cardboard end caps are an accident waiting to happen.
this material breaks down and gets into the oil stream.
this is a fuckup on the scale if the head gasket fiasco potentially in my opinion.
I bought a case if the black ones for my daughters Forester right before they became scarce and expensive.
$20 each is insane, but Wix or Purolator instead, they have the proper back pressure relief valve ratings.
It's good that you got a case of the black ones, I dont care for the cardboard endcaps either, Please dont take this wrong, but an accident waiting to happen? A Big Maybe. The truth be told before the internet started bashing the Fram orange can I was using them for years without any engine issues.
Thanks for your feedback!
@@WhipCityWrencher
"Mr. Subaru" took one apart and the cardboard was disintegrating.
Every mechanic You Tuber has mentioned that they would not use them in their cars.
This is an obvious cost cutting measure, only Fram does this, it's just greed.
Other manufacturers can make profit using metal end caps, Fram could as well, but the CEO needs to buy another vacation home or yacht.
@@fubartotale3389 Like I said I dont like them either and I wouldn't knowingly use one in my vehicle anymore. JMHO Thanks for your feedback!👍
Those in caps are not cardboard they're fiber media and if they're so bad and prone to failure please show me an actual failure because millions of these get used every year and have not seen a single one fail.
Mr Subaru is a stroke that does not know the first thing about oil filters. Just because someone worked as a mechanic at a Subaru dealership does not make them an expert on oil filters or really anything else other than taking instructions and turning a wrench.
First time Subaru owner and would like to know if this model is correct for my 2022 Outback LTD XT
If you have the 2.4L engine then this filter fits your Outback.
Thanks for Watching!
Thanks...now I have to go see what's on my RU...damn it 😪
USA filter is HoneyWell, Japan is Mahle
Japan for the win for sure but the usa made Fram in a Subaru can ??
I'll take the Made in Japan, because it's not made by Fram !
The black filter is cheaper in Japan and the blue one is more expensive. So, all of the Japanese enthusiasts who want to run USDM parts pay more for the blue can. Funny how that works. 🇺🇲🏁🇯🇵
Japan filter > USA. Build quality looks better and material used on it looks better in my opinion.
What I really want to see is a bench test that shows when the by-pass valve opens. I have a notion that as the filter media gets oil-soaked, the backpressure opens the valve to at least some extent. Then we'll know if it really matters how many square inches of filter media there is.
Good Luck with that. Means one would have to see inside an OF while it's in use, or have some kind of in use psi measurement gauges in vehicle. A member on bobistheguy did the latter with before and after OF filter psi measurement. He found bypass opens very infrequently. If it happens it would be at start up in very cold conditions and/or with a higher viscosity oil. With cellulose or blend media, media area more important than with synthetic media.
@@faxmen09 I can understand that. I'm no engineer, but if you know the necessary operating pressure required for a particular engine, one can design a by-pass valve that opens at some predetermined pressure to sustain the safe oil pressure. My guess is that is how the OF manufacturers do it. Then again, some OFs have applications that span 4-6-8 cyl engines. Universal oil pressures?
Proof that there’s nothing wrong with FRAM and that they produce OE filters. Tens of millions of Subaru’s and Honda’s out there with an OE FRAM produced filter on them.
Oil filter don’t really matter as long as you do 5k miles interval oil change.
Motorbike story, but the principals are the same:
Knew a guy with a motorbike shop. I used to visit socially (a lot of rum disappeared from the lunch room during late night sessions) and, naturally, I would go there to do work I could do myself or get advice and assistance for the trickier stuff.
One day I asked if I could bring my bike in for an oil change (he had bulk good quality oil I could buy cheap).
"Sure. Have you got a filter?"
"Don't need one."
"How come?"
"The book says you only need to change the filter every second oil change."
He looked at me and said:
"A filter is a lot cheaper than a rebuild."
Every oil change I have ever done since that time (about 30 years ago) on any vehicle, 2 or 4 wheels, personal property or other family members, I have gone into the job with oil and a new oil filter.
5K is a good OCI, with good synthetic oil and a good oil filter makes it even better.
I run 40,000 miles on my combo of fram 3600 and beluga juice.
Fun fact. Try to use that blue one and follow the installation instructions on the filter.
Why is that fun? Because you can’t actually follow the instructions unless you want to destroy the filter and maybe damage your car.
I don't think I'd want to use either one of them honestly. There are trade offs from one to the other. I guess I'd choose the Japanese filter just because it looks like it was made sturdier but it's media is kinda generic and has less inlet holes.
I would never use a filter with cardboard. For minimal costs vs major repair costs it's a no brainer.
Well the good news is neither of these filters use cardboard in their construction.
Japan!
Blue.
The blue USA filter
Filter media is cellulose
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The Japan filter is made by Tokyo Roki
Thanks for sharing that info! 👍
I use the Japanese filter on my car